Would love to see how you recognized and built all of the different harmonies, created each track, how many tracks there are, any automation on sections etc. Great job!! definitely subscribed.
Ah it's all transcribed from the original orchestral score rather than by ear! The number of instruments is the same as the number in the score (3x trumpets, 2x clarinets, 1x 'violin 1s' etc etc), but I play things in in short sections, so I normally duplicate the instruments in the orchestra and swap between each track as I go - this saves me trying to join regions together later. So for example let's take trombone 1 which plays pretty much throughout - the two trombone 1 tracks I use sort of zigzag through my project... ...does that make any sense?! I'll do a walkthrough at some point anyway...
Wow, bravo! I went to Berklee in the early nineties and majored in music synthesis and music production and engineering. At the time, rendering an instrument and score in C-Sound could take 16 to 24 hours and if there was a syntax error... oh my, the pain! Now C-Sound can literally run in real-time on a telephone. After Berklee I worked at Lexicon and Euphonix. At Euphonix the flagship product was the System 5 (large format digital console) which I think we released around 2000. The fully decked-out model cost near $1,000,000 and had two six-foot tall racks which required a 30 amp circuit that was loaded with 240 Analog Devices SHARC processors. While it's not exactly the same, a modest Mac running Logic Pro X can achieve the same technical feats as the System 5 (and them some due to all the plugins available) for a few thousand. This yet again reminds me just how far music production technology has come since my first synthesizer which was a Yamaha DX27 (4 operator FM synth). I'm having a little nerd celebration right now. Looking forward to seeing the other videos.
Absolutely fascinating to hear that, thanks so much for sharing it, I'm definitely going to read up a bit on the history of all this. Really didn't expect this mock-up to reach so many people... quite excited to get started on another two at Easter!
Thanks very much for Seventh Heaven - I've used it on all of my projects (including these two mock-ups) since I bought it 2 years ago & I'll definitely be using it on every future project!
Mind blowing! You’re going to need a bigger hard drive mate as every sample library company are going to be sending you gigs of stuff 😂 - really hope you do more of these.
Happy to - it's all personal taste and you can get amazing results with loads of libraries available today, but I used: CSW / Infinite Brass / CinePerc / CineHarp / Simple Sam Signature Grand / CSS + Vista. Hope that helps!
@sivaramakrishnanmeenakshis167 Trombones definitely gave me the most work from IB, don’t think I had to do anything to any of the other IB instruments. Basically I reduced the higher frequencies & and added a bit more reverb, and also made sure to go nowhere near 127 in either velocity or modulation (even 100-110 is plenty). I’m in the process of making a 30-min long review/demos/tips video for IB (in the same style as the VHorns one) so there will definitely be more detail in there if needed :)
Excellent job! Just wondering if you are running that on 1 machine, or do you have slaves PCs via VE Pro? If it's just 1 machine, how much ram is being used and how big is the CPU load? I know sometimes Logic likes to spike random cores which sometimes causes a crash especially with certain VSTs! Thanks
This is the very last of the intel iMacs before the M1 came out... probably a mad idea to buy it, but I was offered a composing job and needed a good enough machine to run orchestral templates, and the M1 was just a few months too late. 128GB RAM though and it's still going strong... ...and I'm still in my overdraft 🙂
Thanks Emon! Still a learning process for me, but I think the key ingredient, particularly for the way I like to programme the notes in, is using Infinite Brass, and along with that I use CSW/CinePerc/CineHarp/CSS+Vista and Simple Sam Piano (there are a ton of piano libraries out there but I really like that one). All down to personal taste at the end of the day though :)
Ahh they're both amazing suggestions, it's going to be tricky to choose when I eventually get there... Anakin's betrayal is one of the best SW pieces ever.. and great practice for string legato programming!
@@simonpassmore I agree, it's an incredibly power piece. Steming off it you could also do Anakin's Dark Deeds (which may be hard as it uses a lot of choir) or The Immolation Scene. Tho I think Anakin's Betrayal is my personal favorite
Great job! I do copy popsongs but i have to say you did a great job. I have bought full scores of star wars but i did not "dare" to programm it. You should make the whole theme with logic and consider to sell the project file ( i don't know how it is with laws to sell it though )
Very good mockup. But you need to work on the trumpets. It sounds too buzzy, if you know what i mean. Usually i just lower the velocity and put the humanization on, to get a more ensemble like sound. On top of that i would try using 2 trumpets for 1 trumpet, you get a nice soft tone out of 2. Just use the transpose function and a different mic mix in IB :)
I postulate, and this is just a stab in the dark; he spent HOURS tweaking, smoothing, modulating, and perfecting this. If this is not true, then he is just one of those really annoying people with too much talent.
Haha I’m sitting here in front of my logic and the difference between my screen and yours couldn’t be bigger. Crazy amount of work you put in there, would love to see in detail! Did you track time?
I wish I had, I'd guess it was around 20-odd hours. The automation looks crazy but it's just a line for every instrument, and pretty much all of the instruments are doubled (I try and write in short sections to save time and just swap between instruments to save joining regions together later)
Definitely something I would consider in the future! For now I'm happy to answer any questions and I will make a walkthrough at some point. I'd also have a think about doing a few 'tips for realistic mock-ups' videos, in the hope that people might find them useful.
We were trying to achieve different things so no point in comparing them really - Samy's goal was to imitate the original audio as accurately as possible, and he's done it perfectly. I wouldn't have a clue where to begin with doing that... as I mentioned I'm still a learner when it comes to the mixing/mastering side of things. The bit in his video where he swaps between the mock-up and the original is absolutely incredible. My mock-ups are always based on how I think the written orchestral score should be performed (rather than trying to replicate someone else's performance), and my choices aren't to everyone's taste, which is fine :)
I just listened on my real speakers, and it's really, really good! The ONLY thing that sounds fake in my opinion is the "ta-ka-ta-ka-ta" trumpets at 0:05, which is an obvious round robin of 2 samples A-B-A-B-A (maybe too even velocities, also?). But I would be really glad to see your tips and tricks, if not a breakdown of the mockup. I also really like the idea of making your ideal interpretation of the score. I even tend to go one step further (one step too far, perhaps 🙂), and use orchestral libraries without trying to match any real orchestral placement, balance, or player number, as an "ideal idea of an orchestra", often including some impossible things (of course, the goal is not to be noticed). I find virtual orchestral composers often being too picky with real placement and balance, while it is precisely a freedom not to have to follow them (that's obviously not applicable for a Star Wars mockup, we're too accustomed to "the real thing"). But that's just my 2 cents. And Sami Cheboub is a real Jedi Master (at making the exact opposite at what I just talked about 🙂).
@@alcibiademinel Thanks! Actually I don't think Infinite Brass does round robins (?) the velocities for those notes are 126, 106, 122, 103, 127, but the cc1 goes from 48 to 86 towards the downbeat. All different lengths as well. That's a great idea to try different placements, will definitely have a think about that. Am I right in thinking it's something to do with how we perceive treble/bass in each ear? Or is that a myth
That's a massive compliment thanks, someone on Twitter said the same thing, so I made a video where I just mute instruments at random, as proof I didn't just put a real recording under a video of a Logic project: twitter.com/simon_passmore/status/1609530919190253570?s=20&t=ANDCTIaY-JGoJ85_nWOBjQ
You are a funny guy, man. Probably you don’t understand me: I know every piece of your mind: - you did uploaded the original music to moises (or similar page) where you can divide the instruments from the original music but with so many-many compromise. I don't know what pleasure you get from lying to people. Anyway, you made a fool of yourself. It's late today, I'm going to bed. Tomorrow, if you feel like getting burned, I'll do the same StarWars music for you, so your followers can see what a big liar you are. Sleep well and see you tomorrow. 😂
When I saw that crazy ass modulation data in the thumbnail I knew this would be good.
Definitely interested in watching a breakdown, this is insanely good!
2x walkthroughs on my channel now, hope they’re useful!
This is seriously impressive! All that modulation data and the little tempo adjustments. Woweee
Can't wait to see the walk through
The ending 👌 a whimsical fling, that Williams would be proud of. Breakdown please!!
Wow man. Sounds completely real!! Way to go !
This is top 3 definitely
Whhhaaat. This is insane. Great work
Amazing work! I can see the hard work that went into this and I hope it starts to generate some well deserved attention to your channel...
Incredible job! A breakdown showing how the modulation automatization works with the plugins would be great to learn!
This is incredible! I've yet to see a mockup so accurate!! Kudos man, I'd love to see the whole song
Perfect. Literally.
Great stuff - another vote for a detailed walk through here!
Good God you have earned 1 subscribe and many in the future! This is really the next level digital music making… Great work!!!
Impressive . . . most impressive
Well produced Simon. Nicely done. 🎉
Great, great work 👌 would love to see the breakdown as well :)
Unreal! Great work!
Really great work!!
Excellent job, Simon! Phenomenally realistic. Now I'd better watch how you did it...
Wow, definitely subscribed, can’t wait to see the walkthrough
Amazing job! So hard to get this one right.
The force is strong with you, Impressive!
Ive heard this like 5 times already!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉 amazing
Incredible! Well damn done.
Asome! Good job!!
So good!
Would love to see how you recognized and built all of the different harmonies, created each track, how many tracks there are, any automation on sections etc.
Great job!! definitely subscribed.
Ah it's all transcribed from the original orchestral score rather than by ear! The number of instruments is the same as the number in the score (3x trumpets, 2x clarinets, 1x 'violin 1s' etc etc), but I play things in in short sections, so I normally duplicate the instruments in the orchestra and swap between each track as I go - this saves me trying to join regions together later. So for example let's take trombone 1 which plays pretty much throughout - the two trombone 1 tracks I use sort of zigzag through my project... ...does that make any sense?! I'll do a walkthrough at some point anyway...
Wow… one of the best things I saw made with logic pro X 👏👏👏🔥🔥🔥
This is incredible!!!
OMG, excellent work
Excellent work. Shows that sample libraries are still week in their woodwind runs
CSW is honestly amazing, it's my programming that needed a bit more care there, I'll definitely give them a bit more attention in the next ones!
Mad Logic Pro skills!
Amazing work Simon! Fantastic.
This is bonkers!!!! 😱🔥💯
Awesome work!
Wow, bravo! I went to Berklee in the early nineties and majored in music synthesis and music production and engineering. At the time, rendering an instrument and score in C-Sound could take 16 to 24 hours and if there was a syntax error... oh my, the pain! Now C-Sound can literally run in real-time on a telephone. After Berklee I worked at Lexicon and Euphonix. At Euphonix the flagship product was the System 5 (large format digital console) which I think we released around 2000. The fully decked-out model cost near $1,000,000 and had two six-foot tall racks which required a 30 amp circuit that was loaded with 240 Analog Devices SHARC processors. While it's not exactly the same, a modest Mac running Logic Pro X can achieve the same technical feats as the System 5 (and them some due to all the plugins available) for a few thousand. This yet again reminds me just how far music production technology has come since my first synthesizer which was a Yamaha DX27 (4 operator FM synth). I'm having a little nerd celebration right now. Looking forward to seeing the other videos.
Absolutely fascinating to hear that, thanks so much for sharing it, I'm definitely going to read up a bit on the history of all this. Really didn't expect this mock-up to reach so many people... quite excited to get started on another two at Easter!
Great job !
Fantastic work! Very interested with library's are used and how you build up something like this!
Great work
unbelievable! SUBSCRIBED
Fantastic work Simon 🎺
Thanks very much for Seventh Heaven - I've used it on all of my projects (including these two mock-ups) since I bought it 2 years ago & I'll definitely be using it on every future project!
@@simonpassmore Ah that's wonderful to know, so pleased to read that it's helping you create such great work 👍
Mind blowing! You’re going to need a bigger hard drive mate as every sample library company are going to be sending you gigs of stuff 😂 - really hope you do more of these.
madman... respect! Now please a more in-depth video!
Legend
Subscribed !!!!!
The brass and woodwind sounds are so good! It would be very appreciated if you can share what sample libraries you are using. Thank you!
Happy to - it's all personal taste and you can get amazing results with loads of libraries available today, but I used:
CSW / Infinite Brass / CinePerc / CineHarp / Simple Sam Signature Grand / CSS + Vista.
Hope that helps!
@@simonpassmore What are your mix settings for Infinite brass trombones? I'm having a hard time making them sound as good as this
@sivaramakrishnanmeenakshis167
Trombones definitely gave me the most work from IB, don’t think I had to do anything to any of the other IB instruments. Basically I reduced the higher frequencies & and added a bit more reverb, and also made sure to go nowhere near 127 in either velocity or modulation (even 100-110 is plenty).
I’m in the process of making a 30-min long review/demos/tips video for IB (in the same style as the VHorns one) so there will definitely be more detail in there if needed :)
@@simonpassmore Great. Thank you!
Amazing. Infinite for brass?
Yep, all Infinite Brass, highly recommend it 👍
WOW
what libraries did you use? this sounds sublime.
Any chance that i could buy this project?
Not possible legally, thanks very much for the interest though
❤
Wow.
Please make a video of how you did this
I'll do my best, just trying to think of the most useful things to share
Excellent job! Just wondering if you are running that on 1 machine, or do you have slaves PCs via VE Pro? If it's just 1 machine, how much ram is being used and how big is the CPU load? I know sometimes Logic likes to spike random cores which sometimes causes a crash especially with certain VSTs! Thanks
This is the very last of the intel iMacs before the M1 came out... probably a mad idea to buy it, but I was offered a composing job and needed a good enough machine to run orchestral templates, and the M1 was just a few months too late. 128GB RAM though and it's still going strong...
...and I'm still in my overdraft 🙂
Great work! Which sample libraries did you use?
Thanks Emon! Still a learning process for me, but I think the key ingredient, particularly for the way I like to programme the notes in, is using Infinite Brass, and along with that I use CSW/CinePerc/CineHarp/CSS+Vista and Simple Sam Piano (there are a ton of piano libraries out there but I really like that one).
All down to personal taste at the end of the day though :)
Awesome! What more can one say?👋
I'd love to hear a mockup of Binary Sunset. It's not the same as live orchestra, but it's damned close.
What a classic, this one's going to be my New Hope one though for now :) Still looking for options for Ep5/6/1/2/3 if you have any suggestions!
@@simonpassmore You definitely need to do Duel of the Fates!
@@simonpassmore For Revenge of the Sith I'd do Anakin's Betrayal
Ahh they're both amazing suggestions, it's going to be tricky to choose when I eventually get there... Anakin's betrayal is one of the best SW pieces ever.. and great practice for string legato programming!
@@simonpassmore I agree, it's an incredibly power piece. Steming off it you could also do Anakin's Dark Deeds (which may be hard as it uses a lot of choir) or The Immolation Scene.
Tho I think Anakin's Betrayal is my personal favorite
Great job! I do copy popsongs but i have to say you did a great job. I have bought full scores of star wars but i did not "dare" to programm it. You should make the whole theme with logic and consider to sell the project file ( i don't know how it is with laws to sell it though )
Definitely illegal :-) but thanks for the kind words!
Very good mockup. But you need to work on the trumpets.
It sounds too buzzy, if you know what i mean. Usually i just lower the velocity and put the humanization on, to get a more ensemble like sound.
On top of that i would try using 2 trumpets for 1 trumpet, you get a nice soft tone out of 2.
Just use the transpose function and a different mic mix in IB :)
I’ll bear that in mind thanks!
I would LOVE to know how you created this so accurately. Definitely would appreciate a video
I postulate, and this is just a stab in the dark; he spent HOURS tweaking, smoothing, modulating, and perfecting this. If this is not true, then he is just one of those really annoying people with too much talent.
@@frequencymanipulator Oh I'm sure he did, still insanely good
Haha I’m sitting here in front of my logic and the difference between my screen and yours couldn’t be bigger. Crazy amount of work you put in there, would love to see in detail! Did you track time?
I wish I had, I'd guess it was around 20-odd hours. The automation looks crazy but it's just a line for every instrument, and pretty much all of the instruments are doubled (I try and write in short sections to save time and just swap between instruments to save joining regions together later)
Subscribed! Would you consider sharing your logic project?
Definitely something I would consider in the future! For now I'm happy to answer any questions and I will make a walkthrough at some point. I'd also have a think about doing a few 'tips for realistic mock-ups' videos, in the hope that people might find them useful.
@@simonpassmore Did you transcribe the piece, or did you use sheet music and add the automation for the articulations?
@@sammakesmusic I have a copy of the orchestral score :) No way could I do something like this by ear accurately!
Not as perfect as the one done by "unofficial but true" but quite close! Well done!
We were trying to achieve different things so no point in comparing them really - Samy's goal was to imitate the original audio as accurately as possible, and he's done it perfectly. I wouldn't have a clue where to begin with doing that... as I mentioned I'm still a learner when it comes to the mixing/mastering side of things. The bit in his video where he swaps between the mock-up and the original is absolutely incredible.
My mock-ups are always based on how I think the written orchestral score should be performed (rather than trying to replicate someone else's performance), and my choices aren't to everyone's taste, which is fine :)
@@simonpassmore That makes perfect sense!
@@alcibiademinel Honestly the thought of having to match the balance and frequencies etc just terrifies me... Samy is a genius
I just listened on my real speakers, and it's really, really good! The ONLY thing that sounds fake in my opinion is the "ta-ka-ta-ka-ta" trumpets at 0:05, which is an obvious round robin of 2 samples A-B-A-B-A (maybe too even velocities, also?). But I would be really glad to see your tips and tricks, if not a breakdown of the mockup.
I also really like the idea of making your ideal interpretation of the score. I even tend to go one step further (one step too far, perhaps 🙂), and use orchestral libraries without trying to match any real orchestral placement, balance, or player number, as an "ideal idea of an orchestra", often including some impossible things (of course, the goal is not to be noticed). I find virtual orchestral composers often being too picky with real placement and balance, while it is precisely a freedom not to have to follow them (that's obviously not applicable for a Star Wars mockup, we're too accustomed to "the real thing"). But that's just my 2 cents. And Sami Cheboub is a real Jedi Master (at making the exact opposite at what I just talked about 🙂).
@@alcibiademinel Thanks! Actually I don't think Infinite Brass does round robins (?) the velocities for those notes are 126, 106, 122, 103, 127, but the cc1 goes from 48 to 86 towards the downbeat. All different lengths as well.
That's a great idea to try different placements, will definitely have a think about that. Am I right in thinking it's something to do with how we perceive treble/bass in each ear? Or is that a myth
Gacha Life Star Wars
you can only cheat someone who really doesn't understand, what is going on here.
Wake up guys, this is only just a joke by the uploader…
That's a massive compliment thanks, someone on Twitter said the same thing, so I made a video where I just mute instruments at random, as proof I didn't just put a real recording under a video of a Logic project:
twitter.com/simon_passmore/status/1609530919190253570?s=20&t=ANDCTIaY-JGoJ85_nWOBjQ
You are a funny guy, man. Probably you don’t understand me: I know every piece of your mind:
- you did uploaded the original music to moises (or similar page) where you can divide the instruments from the original music but with so many-many compromise.
I don't know what pleasure you get from lying to people. Anyway, you made a fool of yourself. It's late today, I'm going to bed. Tomorrow, if you feel like getting burned, I'll do the same StarWars music for you, so your followers can see what a big liar you are.
Sleep well and see you tomorrow. 😂
@@delagrandetomasito6014 The screen shows the MIDI notes scored being played, not digital audio?