TV Talk with Pop Retro | Cereal At Midnight Podcast | Episode 12
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Heath is joined by Jason from POP RETRO for a discussion about all things TV! What are our earliest TV show memories? What does the future for television on physical media look like? Join us for this television celebration!
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I'd never considered this before, until you guys talked about the format for streaming has turned into ending episodes with a tease or a cliffhanger - it's like they've gone back to the old serial formula, but now you have to sit through hours of episodes instead of 12 chapters.
Interesting, isn't it - how the old ways become new again, even if it doesn't quite look that way at first. "How do we get them to watch the next show?" "Give them a cliffhanger!"
I'm 78 and retired. Here's my perspective:
I love (and have time for) streaming and movies, owning over 8,000 movies on DVD/Blu-ray/3D/4K and well over 100 TV shows (going back to Captain Video and live dramas in the 1950s. I cut the cable cord in 2021 and rely on streaming services like Netflix, HBOMax, Disney+, Hulu, Paramount+, and Apple TV. I binge when I can and watch weekly if I have to. I like long story arcs and self-contained episodes. Comfort food, indeed.
Unless I missed it in one of your previous podcasts, there are some great foreign-language shows and movies on DVD that also stream. I'm currently hooked on K-dramas on Netflix and own some foreign-language series on DVD, like Extraordinary Attorney Woo.
I highly recommend streaming or physical media (both in 4K if available), including some great foreign language series.
Congratulations for still collecting media at your age and embracing streaming. I'm 52 and don't care for streaming I only watch and collect physical media. I'm a horror fan it's very rare that I buy something not horror. I have a lot of horror tv shows and some foreign horror movies. I wish I reach your age and still be passionate about collecting.👍
@@hectormontalvo5565 Thanks and good luck. I'm not a big horror fan like my son and his wife but I do love a number of horror films, like The Exorcist, A Quiet Place or The Shining. But not like Saw or Freddy the 500th.
If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend the 2008 Swedish film called "Let the Right One In." It continues to stick with me. I think the American remake, "Let Me In" (2010) is good but I like the original Swedish version better.
@@alandombrow584 yes I have both versions of that film and yeah the original is better. If you enjoy foreign films look for this 4 Spaniard movies:
1)Day Of The Beast
2)Open Your Eyes
3) Art Of Dying
4)Thesis
They are more like thrillers and not overtly gory I think you'll enjoy them. I like all horror but prefer the gory ones like the recent Terrifier 2. The gorier the better lol!🙉
@@hectormontalvo5565 Thanks. I'll definitely check them out. BTW, in 2006, I saw an Off-Broadway show called Evil Dead - the Musical. I sat in the front row and declined to wear plastic protection. I just wore old clothing, including a white T-shirt. I got "blood" all over me. (The first act adapted the original The Evil Dead while the second act adapted Evil Dead II.)
@@alandombrow584 that sounds fun except the blood stains of course!🙉
Glad to hear your take on "guilty pleasures" - you either enjoy something or you don't.
The curse of pop culture is people who want to be "cool" - they spoil everyone else's fun.
I've always disliked the term, but I get it. And I'm convinced EVERYone watches something from the past that they don't share at parties. lol
@@popretro1 Oh absolutely. I watch old BBC classic serials on my own because I know none of the men in my life (or my home) would enjoy them! 😆
I just purchased The A-Team Blu-ray set this morning. Jason's t-shirt pressured me into clicking the buy it now button 🤣
I'm jealous! I still have the DVDs. Definitely calling Universal and asking for some commission! haha
Inhumanoids got a UK Region 2 complete series some years ago along with Visionaries. Will we ever see Spiral Zone.
I’m a big fan of watching shows one episode per week. Even if the show is on Netflix, I’ll only watch one episode. I guess I really enjoy the anticipation of what will happen next.
I'm with ya! Not that I've *never* binged anything, but I've found spreading it out (especially if I'm enjoying it) makes me appreciate it more.
You mentioned that some shows won't get to DVD because all we have now are tapes. The reason we have "I Love Lucy" episodes today is that Desilu Studios filmed each episode. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case with "I Remember Mama" with Peggy Wood, one of my favorite TV series from the 1950s. I have four episodes on DVD but the rest of the series is lost because they tossed the episodes or taped over them to reuse the tape. In the 1950s, there was no inkling of a possibility for VHS or DVDs.
Sad to me that so much history was lost in the early days of TV, where many (live) programs weren't kinescope'd or simply taped over, as you mention. The throw-away nature of TV ("what value do these programs have after we air them?") was unfortunately short-sighted. And that story about all those DuMont shows dumped in the harbor? Sad (I know the story may not be true, but plenty of shows - history! - unfortunately saw that fate, especially the early decades of soap operas).
I'm pleasantly surprised when I see something pop up on RUclips or on an archive site that I assumed was long gone. Thanks for the heads-up on those I Love Mama episodes. I'm gonna track them down and give them a watch!
Nice! Must be in the air bc I'm running through ROCKFORD FILES and just picked up MAGNUM PI on blu and RIPTIDE (!!! LOL) on DVD to watch next.
ROCKFORD and MAGNUM are such re-playable classics! I'm going through the MAGNUM Blu-ray set currently. First time I've watched in over a decade, when I was going through the old DVD sets. I have those RIPTIDE sets, and I definitely want to give those another go! Such a fun show!
I'm on Rockford (which is new to me) and Magnum also!
I absolutely loved your conversation, I completely agree that I can go back to shows like Magnum P.I. or Rockford Files and enjoy them as much as I remember from then. Also, I’m not a binge viewer so these shows are great in that you don’t need to binge cause we all watched them one at a time way back when. Thanks for a great podcast!
I enjoyed this conversation. I recently bought the first seasons of McCloud and McMillan & Wife, and the first and only season of The Flash, all on DVD. I bought the first two to watch the shows for the first time.
Glad you enjoyed the convo! Those are great additions to your classic TV library! I have the Complete Series of McMillan and just last year, McCloud finally came out with a Complete Series set! I don't have it yet, but it's on my list. Also gives me hope that, even if it's a trickle, some of this TV history will continue to see release. I was a freshman in HS when the 1990 Flash series came out. VHS'd every episode and watched it over and over. It may be the show that most closely captured the lightning (hehe) and spirit of the previous year's Batman film. I'm sad it didn't last longer!
@@popretro1 I remember watching some of The Flash when it originally aired (I would have been 7-8 years old during that season), and then I streamed the whole thing a few years ago on DC Universe before they went to all comics.
Bilson and De Meo, baby! I love how the modern Flash series has respected the original 1990 series by using the same actors and even the same characters (Mark Hamill as Trickster, for example).
@@CerealAtMidnight Agreed! That was such a nostalgia kick!
Get Bilson on the podcast!
Two RUclips giants on one video. Not since Kanye and Jay-Z, Dolly Parton and Porter Waggoner, Martin and Lewis, Karloff and Lugosi....
This discussion covered a lot. One of my biggest problems with most current streaming series is how slowly they are paced. I'm currently watching (and re-watching) ELEMENTARY, and most of these episodes have a major story and a minor story that are begun and resolved in approximately 45 minutes. I also enjoy the extras, which are not that extensive, but extras have currently become rare on the mainstream studio releases of contemporary TV. (i.e., not Kino Lorber or Shout).
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I reckon Kanye, Jay-Z, and Dolly wished they could've joined us on this chat. And how about that mention of the great Erik Nelson during the TENSPEED AND BROWN SHOE discussion? You're making cameos everywhere!
I agree with your throughts. I'm guilty of *really* wanting shows to be continuous epics when I was younger, and then missing the old stand-alone stories as I get older. But I guess that's just the evolution of the wheels (in my brain) turning. Getting ready to re-watch all of TENSPEED soon - this time, with the pilot episode!
Currently, I watch the RUclips videos, read the Cereal At Midnight website, and follow you on Facebook and Patreon. Each one gives me a different cereal flavor. If there are podcasts, audio only, I would listen. Maybe that's where the music discussions could happen, since you've mentioned that they don't get as many clicks (but it's my favorite content).
I loved that you brought up the CBS procedural dramas for some reason in this day and age they are treated as shows that only older people watch I watch those shows like csi and ncis more than anything else I don't think you need a continuous story arc all through the season to be considered a great show and let's not forget those shows have to put out 22 to 24 episodes a season versus 8 to 12 episodes on a Netflix show so in my mind you get more bang for your buck on a show from cbs than a show on Netflix
Great point on the episode count. It's amazing how enjoyable and fun those shows are considering how many they have to produce each season (and for MANY seasons!). Going back to the early days of TV, it was amazing how some shows produced 30 or more episodes in a season with a single writer (or just a couple of them). It's no wonder there was a tradition of "formulas" when it came to TV production.
Also, isn't it funny (or ironic) how binge-able those CBS procedurals are? I think I watched the first couple seasons of CSI's DVD releases over a couple days back when they came out!
@@popretro1 I think the bulk of my collection is complete series boxsets most of which are shows made by cbs or are owned by cbs including csi csi Miami csi ny both versions of Hawaii 5-0
@@grantbixenmann9159 Love it! Funny story: In most of my videos on my channel (up until the most recent ones), you can see my CSI: Miami poster in the background. Back then I worked at a CBS station and snagged the poster that used to hang in the station's lobby (I wish I would have collected more of them).
Also, for Halloween in 2007, I dressed up as Horatio Caine (my girlfriend wore a "sexy cop" outfit). We went over pretty well, and I did the whole sunglasses thing many times at the party that night. lol
@@popretro1 that's cool what are your thoughts on the new csi series I think it's ok but they are trying to be a more serialized story as far as potentially rebooting the other two series I would say don't do full series I would actually like to see them go old school and just do one off reunion movies since neither csi Miami or csi ny got a proper series finale
If I recall, there was a Saturday Morning (back in the days of Saturday Morning Cartoons, and get off my lawn) series that alternated between The Incredible Hulk and Spider-Man and his Amazing Friend (Iceman and Firestar). The Hulk cartoon was clearly aiming for fans of the Kenneth Johnson live-action series because the cartoon Hulk was also pre-verbal. (This may be an imprecise memory.)
I do believe that you can go back, but I notice that it helps to have been there in the first place. I didn't see THE GOONIES in its original theatrical run; likewise, I never watched KNIGHTRIDER in the original. When my wife finally sat me down to watch THE GOONIES and an episode of KNIGHTRIDER; I was annoyed with the kids and at Michael Knight because I found myself wondering under who's authority he was arresting people. You clearly had to be there. OTOH, my wife and I have binged the two Bionic serieses and I loved it all because, in the original, these were Must television. (I also have GREATEST AMERICAN HERO on a DVD set; a while back, I purchased, on eBay, the limited boxed set with the cape and the tchotchkes.)
re: Podcast content vs RUclips content - Personally, I think using the Podcast Only format for something like the comics sounds like a great idea. There may be some who won't cross over and indulge in both, but then you might get one audience for one format and a different audience for the other. (I am not in marketing, so please don't take this to be advice or an informed opinion.) I would say, especially with the Podcast Only idea, give it a try for several episodes, and plug it a lot on the RUclips channel. It might take a mo for it to build up a specific audience, but, while the door may not necessarily open, the door will definitely not open if you don't knock.
Your Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends sounds right to me. I haven't watched it since back in the day, but that's how I remember it, too. I need to give it watch wherever I can find it (I think it's on RUclips).
As for KNIGHT RIDER, man - when it was on in my childhood, I remember adults in my life who just could NOT abide. lol They hated it (the most memorable example was my dad's girlfriend's sister, who was babysitting my sister and I; when it came on, she immediately turned the channel)! My grandpa loved all the cool cop/detective shows that I also loved (like HUNTER, EQUALIZER, MIAMI VICE), but lemme tell you - whenever that KNIGHT RIDER theme (or the promo leading into that night's episode), he gave out a huge sigh and rolled his eyes.
Why? Because it's silly, escapist, fantasy entertainment. It's not gritty or "real." But of course, that's why 7-year-old Me loved it. And like you said, it's also why a lot of us love going back to it - because we were there from the beginning.
Thanks for the great comment and discussion points!
Great discussion. I would love a BJ and the Bear release but the song writes used in the episodes are to high and holding that up. Also a Bigfoot and Wildboy from Krofft is high on my wish list.
I'm with you on a BJ and the Bear release! One of those I've always wanted to see, but have little hope it'll happen. I'm still trying to catch up my Krofft collection. Most of those shows came out *just* before my time, and I love their colorful, sometimes bizarre qualities!
Hardcastle & McCormick Definitely a great show, glad I got my complete series set 10 years ago this March. I’d love to see a Blu-Ray set but will probably never happen
With you 100%! What a fun show! And that Complete Series set is pretty nice. Hard to believe it's been that long since it came out!
Thanks Heath & Jason! I jumped on the VEI Greatest American Hero set. So many memories of that show for me too.
PS: The link to Pop Retro YT in the description seems broken. I found it by searching, but...
Thanks, man! I fixed the link. I don't know what happened, but I think the @ symbol was the source of the trouble.
Thanks for the heads up on the broken link! I'm glad that Greatest American Hero mention led to you picking it up. 60-something episodes for that price is certainly a bargain (for someone who likes the content!). Forever great memories of those early '80s shows!
@@popretro1 Word!
Btw: Subscribed! ;)
@@strumdogg1 Thank you - much appreciated!
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The reason so many U.S. TV show sets from other countries can put out editions that are complete with original music is because they don't have the same licensing issues in that country with the music that they would have, if the company was in the United States
Regarding audio-only posts -- keep in mind that there are other podcasts that post their content to RUclips and the "video" portion is just a frozen frame while the audio plays. So even if you do audio-only content and still want to post them to RUclips (but don't want to record video) you could just throw up an image for the duration of that video. It at least then makes those segments available to your RUclips subscriber base (which likely exceeds the podcast subscriber count at this point).
Regarding TV on DVD -- I'm still hopeful of another Land of the Giants release.
I think that TV shows made prior to 1990 seem to have more literate scripts and more character development. Now shows have to have more bang or viewers lose interest so literate scripts and character development goes to they wayside. The are exceptions to this for sure but the point is still valid I believe.
Sure thing. We don't have color movies and TV without first going through the B&W phase. All evolution of an industry - including the writing styles, as you point out!
i do miss the 90 tv shows i was born in 89 i grow up watching married with kids home improvement the simpson x files i can my guilty pleasure show is my so called life of course of watched kids show as well
I'm ok with audio-only episodes, but I'm not ok with them not being posted to youtube.
but, posting to youtube with a static image or a repeating slideshow or something screensaver-like would be perfectly fine with me because I usually listen to it audio-only anyway unless maybe it sounds like I'm missing some important visuals like in the interview with the 3D guys when they'd hold up or gesture to a film reel.
it might be cool designing a screensaver like the bouncing DVD symbol that DVD players had, or maybe take inspiration from music channels on satellite or cable TV where it lists track name and artist and album with a picture, but usually keeps the image static/still while it plays that song.
a static image should be easy to edit in and have it run the length of the audio, to make a basic video to satisfy youtube because for some reason youtube is a video platform and you apparently can't just upload audio with no video.
I think even audio-only songs on youtube have a picture with the front album art or something
but yeah, I think the audio with a static/still picture to make it video would work.
I think comedian Bill Burr does this with many of his podcast episodes on youtube, at least the ones he does by himself.
To be transparent, the main point of building audio only content would be to drive subscribers to the podcast and further create an identity for Cereal At Midnight outside of RUclips. The algorithm on this platform is killing its creators.
To be honest, I don't listen to any podcasts that don't have video. I actually have friends who do them and still in the past 5 years, I could probably count on my fingers the number of times I've gone to the podcast app on my iPad and listened to an audio-only podcast. But I'm not normal. I'm home like 98% of the time. I don't (can't) jog or whatever and in my car I listen to CDs. I still use a fliphone (which is next to or on its charger for all but maybe an hour in the week). There's just always something on my list from RUclips I can put on in the background, so I never get around to audio podcasts. So, as much as I love Hard Traveling Heroes (GL is my favorite hero), I honestly would be unlikely to listen that if it wasn't here.
Wondering why Petticoat Junction only released first 3 seasons on DVD. Why? Is it because of music rights since they did a lot of singing in the later seasons.
What I find a real problem is when you buy a boxset then another and maybe another... and you start watching them at the same time. It's very difficult to track where you left off .. I may need to watch half the the last episode again to "catch up" .. this gets exponentially worse when you buy more. Some series allow you to resume where you left off some do not ! maybe that's just my players I don't know. So, I've been sometimes taking the current disc i'm on out of the case and flip it over so I don't scratch it and what I end up is a maze of flipped discs around the house .. sometimes I leave a note in the case ... anybody else do this???
There's a free phone app called TV Time. It lets you keep track of what episode you last watched and how many you have to go. I've got at least a dozen shows going at all times, so it's a really great service.
@@CerealAtMidnight Thanks I will check it out!
I've gotten in the habit over the years of watching a "disc of episodes," whether that's 3 or 4 episodes on a disc or 8. As Heath mentioned, I'm watching many series simultaneously, some of which I don't continue for many months later. So, after I watch, say, disc 1 of a set, I turn disc 2 upside down on the spindle. The next time I go back to that set, I know that disc 2 is where I left off. I've never had any issues with scratched discs or anything doing it this way, either.
That said, your post-it note method works just as well, and I use it too, especially on sets that have non-traditional packaging (like stacked discs on spindles, or a collection of envelopes, or wallets, like a lot of old Mill Creek and VEI releases).
Editing for music and syndication prints are the worst when buying box sets.
For sure - the bane of the TV home video release!
I'm more of a TV guy myself.
In the club!
Is the new DVD set of Greatest American Hero any different than the original Anchor Bay set?
I can't say for certain because I don't have either of those releases. I think that Anchor Bay set came out in the mid-00s (and had some cool doodads, like cape!), but I wasn't able to get it at the time. I have the Mill Creek re-release from 2010. But just going from memory, I don't recall reading about any major differences in content. I'd assume that the episode content is the same across all the sets. (I can't speak to special features, though.)