It’s so fucking weird that people are this dense and fragile toward even the acknowledgement of something they don’t agree with. Very unhealthy and pointless. Plus they’re not even trying to understand what the story is obviously communicating. Really annoying and stupid.
I don't understand how anyone could have watched or read the manga and took any of that to be an endorsement of fascism when it was so obviously corrosive.
Well you do have Sasha sharing a third of her potato while saying it's half, which is a obvious dog whistle for any one that believes in fascist concepts like running tap water and canned food.
@@thebiggay8390 This is such a dumb comment. Reiner literally points that out because she's just greedy when it comes to food, y'all will make dog whistles out of anything these days.
As a Korean I find it weird how the author said that Yoshifuru Akiyama was a respectable leader, even though he was a fascist who enslaved and tortured my people. But what do I know, AoT shows that Nazi Germany wasn't so great after all, so the author must be a sincere antifascist.
I think the issue is that, while it is easy to see the atrocities committed by Marley, it is also easy to get swept up in the message of the Yeagarists and find them sympathetic. One does not need to dig all that far to find people voicing their support for Eren's global genocide and that is disturbing. Of course, Eren has not been presented in a particularly good light since the Declaration of War, and chapter 131 does exist to demonstrate the absolute horror of the rumbling. However, since Eren is a nuanced character, there are times, notably in chapters set before the present, when he is presented in a positive or conflicted light, and, within the community, much apparent support remains in the lead up to the last chapter for his plan to exterminate humanity outside the walls. The ending will almost certainly contain a complete subversion of Eren's message (137 was the final deconstruction of Zeke's, while 138 finally showed Mikasa turning against the Eren of the present) and I am sure it will be brilliant, yet as a member of the community, there have been times when I have been taken aback by the reaction to the story.
The way that the AOT fandom completely missed the message of "keeping children out of the forest" is almost poetic. Most of them are young adults or adolescents, raised in a world defined by ideas of nationalism, race, and historical conflicts. Once the young generation on Paradis learn these concepts, they rapidly develop into fascists. The viewers look at this and think "Oh, this is familiar" and gravitate towards that, not understanding that the Jaegerists are meant to be portrayed as a critique of fascism rather than an endorsement. When you have an audience already raised in societies (the US and Japan) with fascistic ideas, it becomes stupidly easy to inadvertently radicalize them with critiques of fascism
@@latenightthinker4737 And escalating it to apocalyptic heights. There's a line between war and murder, and we criticize Marley for breaking it. Isayama and the other characters, including Armin and Mikasa, who understand Eren's position better than anybody, clearly stand against him crossing it.
It's important that the people of Paradis are easily being swept up by the Yeagarists' message because that's the exact point that is being conveyed. That under the conditions these people were in, it is an easy ideology to adopt. Floch is the perfect example of this. When he becomes a scout, he is just some normal kid, swept up by Erwin's speech. As the story progresses, he turns into a tyrant. This shows a side of human nature that a book like "Ordinary Men" (which is about the history of a German battalion during WW2) exposes, how ordinary men can become monsters. AOT offers a world of no easy solutions, but only hard choices. Many characters who do terrible things have their reasons, and those are exposed honestly. The biggest problem for the world of AOT is no doubt the existence of titans. It's understandable why other nations would want to destroy the threat by any means necessary, it's because the threat is real, as the ending proves. A lot of people who make the comparison with racism by taking notice of the obvious symbolism, ignore the main difference, namely, the fantastic element that the subjects of Ymir can turn into titans. Although a lot of racism by Marleyans is shown, there is an actual element of danger associated with subjects of Ymir, and in the world of AOT that danger will always exist as long as people can turn into titans. It's reasonable to see Eldians as a threat, not because of their race, but because of their ability. So the question becomes, how to rid the world of that ability without causing any unnecessary suffering. The question is how to undo the curse, so to speak, without having to resort to genocide or eugenics. In AOT, Isayama is doing what I've seen a lot in other stories - adding a fantastical element in order to change what is normal and acceptable and to generate moral dilemmas. And we recognise the power of titans as something that should never have existed, as something unnatural and which only brings about pain and suffering. It can rightly be called a curse. That is one true thing that can be said about the fake history given to the people of the wall - that titans are an existential threat. This continues being true throughout the series, what changes is our perspective. Imo that change in perspective as we learn the truth is what Isayama does so well.
I 100% agree with this video, but if I can mention one thing, that I noticed which wasn't mentioned, is how the fanboys of people like eren yeager, completely missed or dismissed all the subtext and messages about how this ideology was/is a bad thing and just defended their character as being in the right.
The fact that there are real yeagerists is a testament to how well written the characters are but also the fact that these ideas exist in our real world just as aot depicts
But there is no subtext encouraging of glorifying facist ideals. None whatsoever. All the facism in this show leads to death, destruction, and chaos. Almost Every person who believes in the Jeagerists, who believe in Marley, is met with a swift end and deep meaningful conversations about how they had to die because they were monsters.
The characters in attack on Titan are all ambiguous, of course some are liked and admired better due to their character development, but none are ever said to be specifically good nor bad. Especially in the 4th season the actions of our protagonist, Eren Jeager, are said to be distasteful by the characters in the show. On top of that NO ONE ever said Marley was in any way justified in their racism towards eldians.
this thing was literally hinted by Levi's dialougue in season 3 to Jean when they 1st started killing humans "I never said anything about who is right or wrong, i don't even know that myself" literally straight to the viewers no one is pure good or pure evil no one is in the right or wrong!! This is just a fucked up tragedy story that WE HUMANS need to learn from, but that seems like something not so possible!!
The Marleans were fascists. Zeke's plan was fascist. Eren's plans were fascist. The Yagerists were fascist. Isayama wrote a story where all the possible solutions required fascism. Sure, most peolme felt guilty about it afterward. But most of them still said they were right do the thing they felt guilty for. And lets not forget how Armin literally thanked Eren for committing the genocide that Armin and his comrades were fighting to stop. Sure, the characters all said that genocide and fascism was bad. But the overall text very clearly presented "some flavor of fascism" as the only option thatbtheynwere forced to move foreward with 🤷🏽♂️
I was in a twitch chat yesterday and when the topic of AoT came up people immediately started calling the creator a fascist. I was genuinely confused and scared 😢
The one argument I’m very amicable to and agree with is the criticism of chapter 139. I think everyone hated the ending but lines like “thanks for becoming a mass murderer” are not good reflections of the author’s intent in the story. The extra added pages are even weirder then because it showed how the world retaliated and everyone died. Like idek what to take away from that.. “extinction is inevitable” or what - it should have given Eren at the very least a little bit more agency
The reason AoT gets called Fascist is because of what you said at 6:49. The reason the "Eldians = Jews" interpretation makes no sense at all. The Eldians are the descendants of an Empire that conquered much of the world only to be "stabbed in the back" by a conspiracy of shadowy rich royals who sold them out to the non-Eldians. Trust me, I have known Far Right people. I know how they read this, and they aren't wrong. They see Marely not as Fascists but as progressives gone to their logical extreme. There's more besides this but I'm too busy to go into it in depth. One of the most obvious though is Eren. Eren's great strength is not muscle or even brains - it's willpower. And it should be noted that the Right has always worshiped willpower, there's a reason why films like Triumph of the will are named what they are named. Furthermore, even Armin has shades of fascism - and having been the 'smart guy' in a social circle that was politically right leaning - I can recognize this pretty easily - mind you had no idea what manga was back then. The idea that one has to be willing to completely abandon right and wrong to preserve the thing they value is something I'd have said when I was 17. It really be obvious but I'll say it anyway, the average fascist doesn't see themselves in Marely. They aren't Orcs who spawned in mordor with the intent of raping and pillaging the world and just being as evil as possible. They're humans who developed their views over time and typically see themselves as either morally good, or as a necessary evil. Obvious some probably know they are evil and aspire to be so, but most probably operate from a completely alien worldview.
This is the only single correct comment I’ve seen through out this entire discourse. Everything about the Eldians from aesthetics to mythology to history is an allusion to white people.
Marleyan Eldian hatred is basically the good old "my nationalism is good and self affirming, the nationalism of my enemies is vile hatred". Remember how every mention to Eldian Empire atrocities is ALWAYS alongside things to take away the gut of it. The Massacre of Lago is inmediately followed by the context of it being told for Grisha's father to excuse the murder of his own daughter, thus associating acknowledging eldian atrocities with ethnic self loathing. This is better shown with Zeke, whose reaction at his father's nationalism is to commit self genocide.
And you're wrong. It's maddening that the message passes through people.The eldians= jews interpretation is perfect for it's message because it relates to the hysteria against jews in those years. Eldians are effectively human, aside from 7 people they have no ability to or control over becoming titans. Also it's stupid to say willpower is a right wing conspiracy when it's so blatantly abundant in communist propaganda. Attack on titan stands starkly liberal in denouncing generational guilt.
Ummm... yes and no to the video. I mean, Eren is a fascist by the end of the series (or, like, ever since they wiped the titans on the island) and he's sent off like a hero. Even though he killed 80 percent of the world population. He gets the kiss from the girl, dies peacefully and is fondly remembered. The main character, a fascist, has a happy end. The story basically validates him. Then, there's the fact that Eren is basically a school shooter (not my idea, stole it from a YT creator) but idk I'm not gonna argue about that. Um yeah, that story kinda promotes fascism and that's just how it is, I fear.
You ignore a lot of the context to call him a fascist and it's disingenious as hell. He saw the future, knowing that if he doesn't do what he's about to, the world will have much the same problems stretched out for multiple generations getting 10s of billions killed. To him the only way left to end it all is to flatten rest of the world right now and get killed. Killing a few billion. Yeagerists represent fascism but Eren doesn't. The political metaphor doesn't extend to him. He dies wishing for his friends to have long lives, not his nation.
I also find it interesting in the post time skip arcs of AOT how it shows a similar passive nature of self preservation take hold in paradis that the conditioning of Marleyan society has similar results in and that it becomes a powerful tool that allows a fascist state to rise and persist in. They create a similar environment of oppression that eldians have in Marley on paradis with the people they should find the most commonality with in the conquered victims of Marley that were forcefully assimilated into their country that want to break from the conditioning Marley uses to justify their imperialistic aims that led to their forceful assimilation. Yet characters like Pyxis who see the commonality and solidarity those turn coats should have with one another passively accepts the will of his government as to ensure his own self interest and security and allows the military to turn on those victims. The same sentiment that drove Willy to go through with the declaration of war and continued conditioning that eldian genocide is necessary despite knowing it’s largely a tool to ensure that nothing threatens the status and position of Marley as world hegemon when technology of the countries they seek to conquer is finally outpacing the abilities of the Titans. The fact so many click baity like hot takes are trying to say this series is fascist propaganda shows how little they actually want to engage in a story about the dangers of passivity and self preservation over empathy for perspectives other than your own creates an unethical fascist state and artificial justification for genocide that it clearly condemns in both the Marley war campaign and the paradis Rumbling.
I think that Aot has a lot of critiques of fascist and authoritarian ideas, but I also think it falters at points with its representation. I personally don’t read it as pro fascist, but I’m also not surprised to see fascists latching on to Aot.
One thing I would add to the Yeagerists thing is that the group itself is definitely fascist and, yes completely believe that the rumbling is the ultimate solution I would say that Eren himself is a kind of an exception. What I mean is that Eren probably didn't want to go with the rumbling. We clearly see that he regrets it even before it happens, it basically drives him to the point of hating himself. The reason why he went with it is exactly what he says: He didn't have any other choice. In short, while Eren acts like the Yeagerists who glorify the rumbling, he feels about it differently. To him it was the only choice instead of the ultimate solution. In my opinion at least. (By this I'm not saying that he is right or he hasn't done anything wrong, what I am saying is that he is quite different compared to the group that helps him) Anyway, great video man. As they say here on YT, I smashed that like button
You're absolutely right. That's why I didn't mention Eren, as his views aren't the same as the Yeagerists. And thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the video :)
Agreed! - the 139 retcon character assassination was unfortunate - but excepting that, Eren went to Marly himself, personally looked for answers, for other solutions, screamed in Hanji's face, waited until the literal last minute! (Willy's speech selling point of exterminating Paradis) - he tried to do anything else...he tried his damn best
Only Eldians can become Titans. In a world where one race is objectively more capable of violence than the other, there is a foothold for arguments of Eugenics, and therefore Fascism. In this world, Fascism was the solution to a Titan-led genocide, and as a solution our protagonists fight fire with fire, which of course is all meant to burn the entire world down. The world of AoT creates systems of politics in which all authority is evil but somehow justified in it's attempts to continue the survival of mankind, and it completely ignores the key problem that Titans can exist. If there was an alternative method of removing the ability for Eldians to become Titans without a mass distribution of violence, the show could effectively level the playing field and bring both races to a state of being equal, but it doesn't. The existence of Eldians is not the problem, it's the existence of Titans, and if one can't be eliminated without the other the show doesn't do a good job at proving that the existence of Titans and therefore Eldians doesn't result in terrible violence. It tackles these issues fantastically without actually addressing the terrible thought of "what if we lived in a world where eugenics make sense", because it's afraid of considering that possibility. It make a world where it almost makes sense though, it is almost justified, and that sets a dangerous precedent. If someone watched this show and then went on to ear about the "threat" of Jews, the idea that they're powerful and witty conspirators with the power to destroy the world, right after watching a show in which Fascism is used as a solution to a race capable of immense violence and destroying the world, people who watch this show will connect those absolutely irrational dots. It's not ok to just ignore that fact because you're a fan, and it's not ok to come to a conclusion before considering this sort of thing.
Gundam seed pulled the same shit with genetically modified humans vs unmodified in a very competitive and capitalistic world that spawn a race war. One side fight for freedom and claim superiority, while the other fight against a threat to the old social order that many people are stuck in and dependent on despite the exploitation. Race is mostly a social idea(cultural) than a genetic one, but giving a group of people natural born super powers end up justifying the fear and resentment that lead to genocide.
@Anon dude i never said that, you're assuming too much. I am saying that aot is a story with no clear right and wrong. Eren's cause is just as much of a fascism as marley's ideology. And him being the protagonist (i argue he became the villain of the story though) skewed some fan's perspective. They idolized and cheered him without seeing that what he did was wrong. Eren's good character dude, but ultimately i think this is a story of corruption and need a more mature audiece to fully grasp. Breaking bad is perfect causs it targeted older people, this anime is almost for all ages. Btw, i don't think the anime is pro fascism, it acknowledge and portrays it, but never in positive light not on marley or eren's side. Isayama is pretty strong on his thematic elements with uri reiss last season and sasha's dad this season.
@@mangawriter you strongly misrepresented Erens motives to prove your point which you called the other side out for doing the same thing in the very same video. We all know why Eren is doing this. If revenge big motivation for the rumbling than Eren as he is written in the story would not have done it. Again, we know why Eren is doing what he's doing
My favourite quote of all time from this show, was in season 3 when the scouts were criminalised by the government. "We're killing people because of a difference in opinion" That was the most profound statement in the show. All the bloodshed in this show is a result of opposing beliefs fighting for superior. Especially if the central conflict which debates the right to life and free will. I love this show sooo much .
As much as I like this video I think it would help to change the title because at the moment alot of people are very likely just clicking the dislike button because of the title and thumbnail - wouldn't it be better to make it clear that its a video deconstructing the poor criticisms of AOT so that others can spread the word and help AOT's image?
I have been told by my sibling not to watch Attack on Titan because, something about the creator being antisemitic and Korean oppression, something on those lines and story telling not being good; the only upside being the capture of dynamic camera movements in animation. I'm personally debating about watching the series and judging for myself, if it's worth watching, not just for the hype as it was initially when the series started. Watching videos like these help a bit
The thing I hate the most is when people look at “dedicate your hearts” and say FASCISM when yes.. that’s why in season 4 they turned it into a twilight zone feeling where everyone was yelling “dedicate your hearts” to release Eren from prison AGAINST the heroes
Reiner actually tried to kill himself twice remember season 4 episode 2 see after the dinner scene there was a guy on top of the house trying to throw himself off the roof it was 0.1s I was confused at first who it was but when I actually saw episode 3 I actually went back and look closely I found out it was him
The title wasn't clickbait at all, you owe no one an apology. I just wish you had much more subscribers. May the algorithm bless you Sir. Shinzou Sasageyo! 🤘🐺🤘
@@mangawriter Just Write? I have bad memory, you'd have to watch it for yourself. But if you've read the Polygon article, then it's basically that but more. The comments section would be far better at explaining than I ever could lol Here are some outtakes from the top comments; "I see what you're saying about the allegory, but I don't personally see this as a story of good vs evil or racists, fascist oppressors vs the group they are oppressing. I see it as a story about the cycle of hatred and the harm that it does." - Oliver "You’re ignoring a lot of context in order to prove your point. I’m just going to name a couple times this happened." - Muhammad "A lot of what you say is half of what the show implies" - Jose Im really sorry I wasn't able to directly answer your question :(
I watched and read AoT and never once thought it was pro fascism or even about fascism... until someone else told me it was. Which means the people who think that it is are projecting. And, if Jungian psychology has thought us anything, we tend to project the dark side of ourselves onto other things and people
I only read first few chapters of the manga before stopping and only ended up here to see what the hell is in this thing after discovering a couple of openly fascist attack on titan fan groups. still didn't finish the whole thing and not going to, but there does appear to be a population of fans who seems to think fascism they found in the series to be rad. and one big thing i know about media is, if fascists are enjoying your work and how they are represented, you did something wrong
@@Infamous1892 Except their alternative interpretations make no sense. A great example of that is the absurd Eldians == Jews interpretation. The story is about a group of people who, having colonized and dominated the world, were brought down by a shadowy group of traitors 80 years ago. And the author named Mikasa after Tojo's battleship - a fact I am almost certain you were unaware of. Just because something or someone is not a leftist doesn't mean that it/they cannot be exceptional.
@@biocode4478 A work of art cannot be right or wrong. It is an aesthetic vision that is perceived and assigned morality by the subject experiencing it.
Yeah the manga explictly says that ideologies are bad, but the concept of the oppressors becoming the oppressed remains, where the Eldians (descendants of a bloody empire) are treated like the Jews. But the Jews never had an empire, never were the oppressors. Yeah i can see why people thinks there is some anti-semitic undertone. Kinda reminds me of Zootopia: racism is bad, BUT is based on historical and biological facts. Well, nope.
I can see why the people saying the show is fascist even when it's not supporting it I mean the Eldians are basically like a parallel to the Jews however the world's fear of them is somewhat justified given the threat they pose since they can turn into Titans and were descendants of a dictatorial empire long ago however I think the people who say this show is supporting facism are way too one sided when looking at this show and so do the people who agree with fascism who are fans of it, the show is way more nuanced than that and it kind of calls out both sides of the argument in a way. Personally I think this show while having anti fascist themes isn't really about how fascism is bad it's really about the cycle of hatred and conflict and how the oppressed becomes the oppressors and vice versa. I think that's a way more important message since fascism and harmful ideologies come from and are cultivated in this seemingly never ending cycle. I think this message that AOT is trying to send is one we need right now given how polarized politics have become over the years and how shit stains like Ben Shapiro and Steve Chives come out of the wood work.
Considering what the Eldians have gone through it is understandable to have at least some sympathy for the Yeagerists even if you don’t fully agree with Erens plan .
Also I think the themes extent to the cycles of hate and vengeance and the dangers of idolizing/radicalizing because I think Eren justify his actions by making himself believe that he was the last hope for paradis island because of his ability and the fact that it was being reinforced by the characters.
The other day I got in an argument with my brother's fiancé after I did a Japanese impression. She didn't take to kindly to it, and asked me "do white people just not have empathy and are racist?" I was kind of horrified as i've never heard her speak like that, in about 5 years of knowing her, but I digress. She also brought up how Europeans have a history of being oppressive, evil conquerors. I just wanted to bring that up because it reminds me of that "golden argument" in AOT. I know my experience wasn't life threatening or anything, but it shouldn't have to be before it is considered oppressiver. I don't really want to get into it with anyone about this topic. It's just an experience I thought I should share. If anyone starts saying racist, toxic shit I'll just delete this comment. But can't we agree that people shouldn't have to suffer for the sins of their ancestors? We should look at the past, but not stare at it.
" "do white people just not have empathy and are racist?" - Unfortunately this is what a generation of social media pseudo-intellectuals now want you to believe and have been propagandizing gullible people online into believing is true. Look at any race, colour, creed or ethnicity and you'll find bigoted people in every single one, including your brother's fiance.
@@maroontiger1361 shes not japanese or asian n i didnt wanna mention what her ethnicity is cuz i didnt want ppl judging her based on that but yea i can see its kinda important leaving that out IF shes japanese
I don't know what's the big deal with warhammer titan she was about to kill him and the jaw titan was about to eat Eren 😂😂😂 and what did u expect him to just surrender 😂😂
One thing AOT consistently preaches is that we must learn to recognize the humanity of the "other". Recognizing the humanity of the "other" is the exact antidote to fascism.
Showing that Nazi Germany wasn't that great after all is not the subversive antifascist twist you think it is. AoT shows many themes of nationalist, "race realist" and pro millitaristic views from a uniquely Japanese right wing position. Only because it doesn't literally says holocaust=good, doesn't mean AoT is a subversive critique of fascism.
@@mangawriter i did. I made another comment after watching the rest-i admit you had me worried cause you said it so straight. I admit if i tried to say what you said i wouldnt be able to say it with a straight face.
@@mangawriter i get you-being tired yet wanting to put something out there in some way is a bitch- great video. I admit i know shouldnt have but i havent seen the recent attack on titan seasons yet continued the video. But this has done a great job of making me want to catch up. I have seen the article on polygon in passing and considering their track record-i made an educated guess it was fucking bullshit.
eren grew up in the island of pasadise not controlled by Marley and remained unaware of the rest of humanity for most of his life When learns the truth about the eldians predicament and how the world is seeking to exterminate them he takes an entirely new path, rather then surrendering his people to certain in doom he chooses instead to fight Marley and restore Eldia to his past glory, he witnesses first hand for the entire series the suffering the eldians had to endure for simply to survive, giving up on them was never an option After Marley and most of his allies officially declared a war to parades, eren forms his own faction called the jeagerist and sieges control of paradise government, this is met with the approval of most of the island population, they may of not wanted this war but the marlean refusal to let them exist in peace has forced their hand As the story goes on some of the eren actions goes to them morally grey, but we the audience are forced to ask if he had any other choice Paradise is outnumbered, outgunned and facing an enemy that wants their complete genocide, there is no simple solution to the conflict, of thing that we can conclude tho is that the eren’s desire to protect his people is justified Also the eldians didn’t own the entire world? But their own power was destroyed by infighting and specially subversion from the marlean Even tho this is not a 1 to 1 comparison, Attack on Titans is a series that actually highlights how Western European history or European civilisation is going down the drain This series is blatantly pro Nationalism, and considering the cast looks and lore of this universe it’s very pro white and Japanese Nationalism but not like 99.99999% of the media who considers his own as perfect good guys and the enemy as cartoon bad guys but as a spectrum of colors between white and black In the end yes, Eren Jeager IS peak National Socialism
Pro nationalist? Peak national socialist? Pro white???? Japanese nationalism???? You're joking lmfao. What an abysmal conclusion. Holy fucking shit. I'm actually impressed you have such a garbage take on the story.
@@orjelmort2330 if im crying the only thing im crying about is the fact that you wont get professional help for your delusions, its honestly really sad that you see something that doesent exist
It's not about facism or anything but about survival, it's kill or be killed and obviously u will choose ur family and loved ones over ur enemy and the world asked for it declaring war after all the warnings
After 139 everyone gonna be best friends. When just few chapters ago Marley where launching all out war on paradis . Now everyone gonna holding hands and be tot talk no jutsued
Buddy. You... don't really understand fascism, or really racism, do you? Why are you talking about Gabbi and Reiner and not he actual fascism endorsement in the story? Since you seem to have missed it, I'll tell you exactly when AOT took a turn for the fascist -- the Eldia Restoration Movement. We can agree the show portrays this as a good cause, yes? The members as victims, as justified? Now think. For one second. What this movement is. It's not a freedom movement, it's not a plan to escape the camps and ghettos, it's not a civil rights movement. It's a movement to take back the power, to get on top of the food chain, to put the Marleyans under their boots, where they should be, for Eldians are gods chosen children and are the superior race. To Make Eldia Great Again. Are we getting this now? Fascism, in simple terms, is "my country and race are better than yours, and we should be subjugating you". The Eldians are fascists, and they're the victims, and their cause was just. How is this not supporting fascism? And honestly I could live with that if it wasn't for Eren, the actual fascist in the story, the main damn character, who you conveniently don't mention in the video. He supported the Yeagerists. He founded them. He fed them this ideology that you condemn. And before you tell me he's meant to be the villain, the ending is everyone thanking him for commiting genocide and agreeing this was a good decision. When the story stops and tells you that the fascist murderer is the hero and the real victim actually, that is when a story supports fascism
Everything would be just fine if people knew one fundamental thing. This is just fiction and doesn't represent reality. So,don't give it more importance than it deserves. Read it,enjoy it and drop it at that...
@Domagoj Čović , yes, or most other leftist ideologies. Now everyone talks about how bad the "fascism" is, even though they themselfs can't even describe what fascism is. Meanwhile everyone ignores the fact that socialist countries killed a lot more people during 20st century. Plus all the western countries seem to be going the same way now.
@Joe Dirt , i don't know who he is and i don't really care. Why would you even mention that? If someone who is fascist agrees on a statement thay i made it automaticly makes that satement wrong? What kind of logic is that?
I want to point out dispite the fact that even though it does show fascism as $hitty, there are alway people that like the shittiness. It doesnt need be pro or anti anything to potentially be a problem. Theres way too much ambiguity to say absolutely one thing or the other. Where u say something is $hitty, someone else,who is $hitty,might think is cool. Its something i think needs to be said regardless of what it says about fascism or war.
The Yeagerist part is the only part that bothers me cause I hate in stories with racist/fascist plots decide to make the people fighting the racist the main villain or say there just as bad because they're to radical. It does kind of come off as right wing propaganda against something like BLM or Antifa
eren comiting genocide is just him defending hes country from all the other enemy countrys that want hes country dead so its either hes people or the people of other countrys
The sheer ignorance of these people, critics and audiences alike, is honestly beyond me. People just love twisting fiction that isn’t a blatant “Hero vs. Villain” story into some sort of evil propaganda, which is a case of complete and utter stupidity, to be frank. Attack on Titan doesn’t have a clear hero, but a clear stance against corruption and facism that plague’s the world we live, along with the world of the comic and series, and how the acts of genocide and racism could never be justified. Attack on Titan is just so brilliant in its masterclass storytelling and world-building, and if you honestly think that AoT is promoting facist ideals because it dares depict it, in a negative light, mind you, then you are the one in the wrong, and nothing less of an idiot.
That's the problem, too many people mistake depicting or even acknowledging the existence of fascism in media for endorsing fascism.
Agreed, its obvious that Aot does not endorse Fascism but instead my own niche ideology : extreme centrism.
That's not the argument people are making though, the argument is that it grossly mishandles very serious themes
Right. It's better for progress if we look straight into the ugliness of the past to learn for the future.
It’s so fucking weird that people are this dense and fragile toward even the acknowledgement of something they don’t agree with. Very unhealthy and pointless. Plus they’re not even trying to understand what the story is obviously communicating. Really annoying and stupid.
I don't understand how anyone could have watched or read the manga and took any of that to be an endorsement of fascism when it was so obviously corrosive.
Well you do have Sasha sharing a third of her potato while saying it's half, which is a obvious dog whistle for any one that believes in fascist concepts like running tap water and canned food.
@@thebiggay8390 This is such a dumb comment. Reiner literally points that out because she's just greedy when it comes to food, y'all will make dog whistles out of anything these days.
@@kurimiaisukurimu running tap water and canned food
@Joe Dirt exactly now your getting it.
As a Korean I find it weird how the author said that Yoshifuru Akiyama was a respectable leader, even though he was a fascist who enslaved and tortured my people. But what do I know, AoT shows that Nazi Germany wasn't so great after all, so the author must be a sincere antifascist.
I think the issue is that, while it is easy to see the atrocities committed by Marley, it is also easy to get swept up in the message of the Yeagarists and find them sympathetic. One does not need to dig all that far to find people voicing their support for Eren's global genocide and that is disturbing. Of course, Eren has not been presented in a particularly good light since the Declaration of War, and chapter 131 does exist to demonstrate the absolute horror of the rumbling. However, since Eren is a nuanced character, there are times, notably in chapters set before the present, when he is presented in a positive or conflicted light, and, within the community, much apparent support remains in the lead up to the last chapter for his plan to exterminate humanity outside the walls. The ending will almost certainly contain a complete subversion of Eren's message (137 was the final deconstruction of Zeke's, while 138 finally showed Mikasa turning against the Eren of the present) and I am sure it will be brilliant, yet as a member of the community, there have been times when I have been taken aback by the reaction to the story.
The way that the AOT fandom completely missed the message of "keeping children out of the forest" is almost poetic. Most of them are young adults or adolescents, raised in a world defined by ideas of nationalism, race, and historical conflicts. Once the young generation on Paradis learn these concepts, they rapidly develop into fascists. The viewers look at this and think "Oh, this is familiar" and gravitate towards that, not understanding that the Jaegerists are meant to be portrayed as a critique of fascism rather than an endorsement. When you have an audience already raised in societies (the US and Japan) with fascistic ideas, it becomes stupidly easy to inadvertently radicalize them with critiques of fascism
idk man, I can't say Eren's entirely wrong. He's finishing a war that he didn't start
@@latenightthinker4737 And escalating it to apocalyptic heights. There's a line between war and murder, and we criticize Marley for breaking it. Isayama and the other characters, including Armin and Mikasa, who understand Eren's position better than anybody, clearly stand against him crossing it.
@@samuelwithers2221 spot on
It's important that the people of Paradis are easily being swept up by the Yeagarists' message because that's the exact point that is being conveyed. That under the conditions these people were in, it is an easy ideology to adopt. Floch is the perfect example of this. When he becomes a scout, he is just some normal kid, swept up by Erwin's speech. As the story progresses, he turns into a tyrant. This shows a side of human nature that a book like "Ordinary Men" (which is about the history of a German battalion during WW2) exposes, how ordinary men can become monsters.
AOT offers a world of no easy solutions, but only hard choices. Many characters who do terrible things have their reasons, and those are exposed honestly. The biggest problem for the world of AOT is no doubt the existence of titans. It's understandable why other nations would want to destroy the threat by any means necessary, it's because the threat is real, as the ending proves. A lot of people who make the comparison with racism by taking notice of the obvious symbolism, ignore the main difference, namely, the fantastic element that the subjects of Ymir can turn into titans. Although a lot of racism by Marleyans is shown, there is an actual element of danger associated with subjects of Ymir, and in the world of AOT that danger will always exist as long as people can turn into titans. It's reasonable to see Eldians as a threat, not because of their race, but because of their ability.
So the question becomes, how to rid the world of that ability without causing any unnecessary suffering. The question is how to undo the curse, so to speak, without having to resort to genocide or eugenics.
In AOT, Isayama is doing what I've seen a lot in other stories - adding a fantastical element in order to change what is normal and acceptable and to generate moral dilemmas. And we recognise the power of titans as something that should never have existed, as something unnatural and which only brings about pain and suffering. It can rightly be called a curse. That is one true thing that can be said about the fake history given to the people of the wall - that titans are an existential threat. This continues being true throughout the series, what changes is our perspective. Imo that change in perspective as we learn the truth is what Isayama does so well.
I 100% agree with this video, but if I can mention one thing, that I noticed which wasn't mentioned, is how the fanboys of people like eren yeager, completely missed or dismissed all the subtext and messages about how this ideology was/is a bad thing and just defended their character as being in the right.
The fact that there are real yeagerists is a testament to how well written the characters are but also the fact that these ideas exist in our real world just as aot depicts
But there is no subtext encouraging of glorifying facist ideals. None whatsoever. All the facism in this show leads to death, destruction, and chaos. Almost Every person who believes in the Jeagerists, who believe in Marley, is met with a swift end and deep meaningful conversations about how they had to die because they were monsters.
The characters in attack on Titan are all ambiguous, of course some are liked and admired better due to their character development, but none are ever said to be specifically good nor bad.
Especially in the 4th season the actions of our protagonist, Eren Jeager, are said to be distasteful by the characters in the show.
On top of that NO ONE ever said Marley was in any way justified in their racism towards eldians.
SOMEONE FINALLY PUT IT INTO WORDS!!!
THIS!
this thing was literally hinted by Levi's dialougue in season 3 to Jean when they 1st started killing humans "I never said anything about who is right or wrong, i don't even know that myself" literally straight to the viewers no one is pure good or pure evil no one is in the right or wrong!! This is just a fucked up tragedy story that WE HUMANS need to learn from, but that seems like something not so possible!!
Art is a mirror. What conclusions you draw are a reflection of how you perceive the world.
The Marleans were fascists. Zeke's plan was fascist. Eren's plans were fascist. The Yagerists were fascist.
Isayama wrote a story where all the possible solutions required fascism.
Sure, most peolme felt guilty about it afterward. But most of them still said they were right do the thing they felt guilty for.
And lets not forget how Armin literally thanked Eren for committing the genocide that Armin and his comrades were fighting to stop.
Sure, the characters all said that genocide and fascism was bad. But the overall text very clearly presented "some flavor of fascism" as the only option thatbtheynwere forced to move foreward with 🤷🏽♂️
I was in a twitch chat yesterday and when the topic of AoT came up people immediately started calling the creator a fascist. I was genuinely confused and scared 😢
Aaah Attack on titan and Alex Jones, two things that I would never think that would be mentioned together...
You had me in the first half not gonna lie.
Same ahaha. The vid is a bit click baity and I misinterpreted his stance, but his actual stance is pretty good
I also think the issue is that people who idolize anime characters such as Eren Yeager, would worship their ideology.
The one argument I’m very amicable to and agree with is the criticism of chapter 139. I think everyone hated the ending but lines like “thanks for becoming a mass murderer” are not good reflections of the author’s intent in the story. The extra added pages are even weirder then because it showed how the world retaliated and everyone died. Like idek what to take away from that.. “extinction is inevitable” or what - it should have given Eren at the very least a little bit more agency
The reason AoT gets called Fascist is because of what you said at 6:49. The reason the "Eldians = Jews" interpretation makes no sense at all. The Eldians are the descendants of an Empire that conquered much of the world only to be "stabbed in the back" by a conspiracy of shadowy rich royals who sold them out to the non-Eldians.
Trust me, I have known Far Right people. I know how they read this, and they aren't wrong. They see Marely not as Fascists but as progressives gone to their logical extreme. There's more besides this but I'm too busy to go into it in depth. One of the most obvious though is Eren. Eren's great strength is not muscle or even brains - it's willpower. And it should be noted that the Right has always worshiped willpower, there's a reason why films like Triumph of the will are named what they are named.
Furthermore, even Armin has shades of fascism - and having been the 'smart guy' in a social circle that was politically right leaning - I can recognize this pretty easily - mind you had no idea what manga was back then. The idea that one has to be willing to completely abandon right and wrong to preserve the thing they value is something I'd have said when I was 17.
It really be obvious but I'll say it anyway, the average fascist doesn't see themselves in Marely. They aren't Orcs who spawned in mordor with the intent of raping and pillaging the world and just being as evil as possible. They're humans who developed their views over time and typically see themselves as either morally good, or as a necessary evil. Obvious some probably know they are evil and aspire to be so, but most probably operate from a completely alien worldview.
This is the only single correct comment I’ve seen through out this entire discourse. Everything about the Eldians from aesthetics to mythology to history is an allusion to white people.
I think people miss this because they have such a comic book villain perception of fascism
Marleyan Eldian hatred is basically the good old "my nationalism is good and self affirming, the nationalism of my enemies is vile hatred". Remember how every mention to Eldian Empire atrocities is ALWAYS alongside things to take away the gut of it.
The Massacre of Lago is inmediately followed by the context of it being told for Grisha's father to excuse the murder of his own daughter, thus associating acknowledging eldian atrocities with ethnic self loathing. This is better shown with Zeke, whose reaction at his father's nationalism is to commit self genocide.
@@Condor2481 I think it's a clear stand in for leftist bigotry actually.
And you're wrong.
It's maddening that the message passes through people.The eldians= jews interpretation is perfect for it's message because it relates to the hysteria against jews in those years.
Eldians are effectively human, aside from 7 people they have no ability to or control over becoming titans.
Also it's stupid to say willpower is a right wing conspiracy when it's so blatantly abundant in communist propaganda.
Attack on titan stands starkly liberal in denouncing generational guilt.
AoT has been surprisingly good with the way it depicts fascism, or rather, the sheer ridiculousness and utter hypocrisy of fascism.
That was the impression I got at first, but the amount of people that walk away thinking Eren did nothing wrong is genuinely disturbing
After the ending the whole paradis island turns into a fascist regime and meaningless genocide gets glorified 💀
Yes, it's glorified by everyone EXCEPT the charactwrs we are rootimg for.
Ummm... yes and no to the video. I mean, Eren is a fascist by the end of the series (or, like, ever since they wiped the titans on the island) and he's sent off like a hero. Even though he killed 80 percent of the world population. He gets the kiss from the girl, dies peacefully and is fondly remembered. The main character, a fascist, has a happy end. The story basically validates him.
Then, there's the fact that Eren is basically a school shooter (not my idea, stole it from a YT creator) but idk I'm not gonna argue about that.
Um yeah, that story kinda promotes fascism and that's just how it is, I fear.
You ignore a lot of the context to call him a fascist and it's disingenious as hell.
He saw the future, knowing that if he doesn't do what he's about to, the world will have much the same problems stretched out for multiple generations getting 10s of billions killed.
To him the only way left to end it all is to flatten rest of the world right now and get killed. Killing a few billion.
Yeagerists represent fascism but Eren doesn't. The political metaphor doesn't extend to him. He dies wishing for his friends to have long lives, not his nation.
The way you were talking you convinced me you were gonna say it was lol
I also find it interesting in the post time skip arcs of AOT how it shows a similar passive nature of self preservation take hold in paradis that the conditioning of Marleyan society has similar results in and that it becomes a powerful tool that allows a fascist state to rise and persist in. They create a similar environment of oppression that eldians have in Marley on paradis with the people they should find the most commonality with in the conquered victims of Marley that were forcefully assimilated into their country that want to break from the conditioning Marley uses to justify their imperialistic aims that led to their forceful assimilation. Yet characters like Pyxis who see the commonality and solidarity those turn coats should have with one another passively accepts the will of his government as to ensure his own self interest and security and allows the military to turn on those victims. The same sentiment that drove Willy to go through with the declaration of war and continued conditioning that eldian genocide is necessary despite knowing it’s largely a tool to ensure that nothing threatens the status and position of Marley as world hegemon when technology of the countries they seek to conquer is finally outpacing the abilities of the Titans. The fact so many click baity like hot takes are trying to say this series is fascist propaganda shows how little they actually want to engage in a story about the dangers of passivity and self preservation over empathy for perspectives other than your own creates an unethical fascist state and artificial justification for genocide that it clearly condemns in both the Marley war campaign and the paradis Rumbling.
Showing fascism does not equal promoting fascism.
I was just watching Literal Maverick's deconstruction of Just Write's video essay on AoT
I think that Aot has a lot of critiques of fascist and authoritarian ideas, but I also think it falters at points with its representation. I personally don’t read it as pro fascist, but I’m also not surprised to see fascists latching on to Aot.
Dude I loved this video! You articulated your points so well and brought up some of the clearest examples there are. Good work!
I’m so glad I decided to watch the entire video first 😂😂 the people who disliked are those that are angry for getting exposed
Faxxxxxxxx lol
Because liking a fictional series is the determining in who's fascist and who's not. The logic of the brainwashed.
Attack on titan is based on world war 2 and norse mithology.
One thing I would add to the Yeagerists thing is that the group itself is definitely fascist and, yes completely believe that the rumbling is the ultimate solution I would say that Eren himself is a kind of an exception.
What I mean is that Eren probably didn't want to go with the rumbling. We clearly see that he regrets it even before it happens, it basically drives him to the point of hating himself. The reason why he went with it is exactly what he says: He didn't have any other choice.
In short, while Eren acts like the Yeagerists who glorify the rumbling, he feels about it differently. To him it was the only choice instead of the ultimate solution. In my opinion at least.
(By this I'm not saying that he is right or he hasn't done anything wrong, what I am saying is that he is quite different compared to the group that helps him)
Anyway, great video man. As they say here on YT, I smashed that like button
You're absolutely right. That's why I didn't mention Eren, as his views aren't the same as the Yeagerists.
And thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the video :)
Agreed! - the 139 retcon character assassination was unfortunate - but excepting that, Eren went to Marly himself, personally looked for answers, for other solutions, screamed in Hanji's face, waited until the literal last minute! (Willy's speech selling point of exterminating Paradis) - he tried to do anything else...he tried his damn best
Polygon as a journalistic organizations 😂😂😂
It's just crazy that you had to actually explain this lol
Good video as always, my guy! Definitely showed way more evidence/knowledge of the subject than that article did to support your argument!
Thank you!
Lord Danny quick question I mean this in no harm how come you haven’t posted anything on your channel in 11 months
Only Eldians can become Titans. In a world where one race is objectively more capable of violence than the other, there is a foothold for arguments of Eugenics, and therefore Fascism. In this world, Fascism was the solution to a Titan-led genocide, and as a solution our protagonists fight fire with fire, which of course is all meant to burn the entire world down. The world of AoT creates systems of politics in which all authority is evil but somehow justified in it's attempts to continue the survival of mankind, and it completely ignores the key problem that Titans can exist. If there was an alternative method of removing the ability for Eldians to become Titans without a mass distribution of violence, the show could effectively level the playing field and bring both races to a state of being equal, but it doesn't. The existence of Eldians is not the problem, it's the existence of Titans, and if one can't be eliminated without the other the show doesn't do a good job at proving that the existence of Titans and therefore Eldians doesn't result in terrible violence. It tackles these issues fantastically without actually addressing the terrible thought of "what if we lived in a world where eugenics make sense", because it's afraid of considering that possibility. It make a world where it almost makes sense though, it is almost justified, and that sets a dangerous precedent. If someone watched this show and then went on to ear about the "threat" of Jews, the idea that they're powerful and witty conspirators with the power to destroy the world, right after watching a show in which Fascism is used as a solution to a race capable of immense violence and destroying the world, people who watch this show will connect those absolutely irrational dots. It's not ok to just ignore that fact because you're a fan, and it's not ok to come to a conclusion before considering this sort of thing.
Gundam seed pulled the same shit with genetically modified humans vs unmodified in a very competitive and capitalistic world that spawn a race war. One side fight for freedom and claim superiority, while the other fight against a threat to the old social order that many people are stuck in and dependent on despite the exploitation. Race is mostly a social idea(cultural) than a genetic one, but giving a group of people natural born super powers end up justifying the fear and resentment that lead to genocide.
Yeah... ch139 ... 😶
But it doesn't change the fact that some fans literally and blindly support eren's cause which is just as fascist imo.
Its not the story's fault that some fans are complete fucking idiots lmao
@@mangawriter not as a big idiot as u 😂😂
Dude, I like Eren and stfu if u r too dumb to understand his character 😂😘
@Anon dude i never said that, you're assuming too much. I am saying that aot is a story with no clear right and wrong. Eren's cause is just as much of a fascism as marley's ideology. And him being the protagonist (i argue he became the villain of the story though) skewed some fan's perspective. They idolized and cheered him without seeing that what he did was wrong. Eren's good character dude, but ultimately i think this is a story of corruption and need a more mature audiece to fully grasp. Breaking bad is perfect causs it targeted older people, this anime is almost for all ages. Btw, i don't think the anime is pro fascism, it acknowledge and portrays it, but never in positive light not on marley or eren's side. Isayama is pretty strong on his thematic elements with uri reiss last season and sasha's dad this season.
@@mangawriter you strongly misrepresented Erens motives to prove your point which you called the other side out for doing the same thing in the very same video. We all know why Eren is doing this. If revenge big motivation for the rumbling than Eren as he is written in the story would not have done it. Again, we know why Eren is doing what he's doing
My favourite quote of all time from this show, was in season 3 when the scouts were criminalised by the government. "We're killing people because of a difference in opinion"
That was the most profound statement in the show. All the bloodshed in this show is a result of opposing beliefs fighting for superior. Especially if the central conflict which debates the right to life and free will.
I love this show sooo much .
As much as I like this video I think it would help to change the title because at the moment alot of people are very likely just clicking the dislike button because of the title and thumbnail - wouldn't it be better to make it clear that its a video deconstructing the poor criticisms of AOT so that others can spread the word and help AOT's image?
Yeah I've had my fun. It's been a good two weeks lmao
I have been told by my sibling not to watch Attack on Titan because, something about the creator being antisemitic and Korean oppression, something on those lines and story telling not being good; the only upside being the capture of dynamic camera movements in animation.
I'm personally debating about watching the series and judging for myself, if it's worth watching, not just for the hype as it was initially when the series started. Watching videos like these help a bit
I highly recommend it. Its one of my all time favourite stories
all of those things are in your siblings head, your sibling is delusional
ok let's talk about how Marley affected Eren
The thing I hate the most is when people look at “dedicate your hearts” and say FASCISM when yes.. that’s why in season 4 they turned it into a twilight zone feeling where everyone was yelling “dedicate your hearts” to release Eren from prison AGAINST the heroes
Reiner actually tried to kill himself twice remember season 4 episode 2 see after the dinner scene there was a guy on top of the house trying to throw himself off the roof it was 0.1s I was confused at first who it was but when I actually saw episode 3 I actually went back and look closely I found out it was him
?? It wasn’t reiner who jumped off the building
2:37 Bro, did someone ACTUALLY say Hetalia was facist propaganda?!
Fucking HETALIA!
Holy shit that's the funniest thing I've seen all day!
This is like saying Springtime for Hitler is pro-fascist
The title wasn't clickbait at all, you owe no one an apology. I just wish you had much more subscribers.
May the algorithm bless you Sir.
Shinzou Sasageyo! 🤘🐺🤘
The ultimate proof that AoT isn’t fascist is that the irl Yeagerists got ASS MAD about the ending.
*MUCH* better video than that other guy, Just write, which is basically Polygon 2.0
I've seen his video in my recommendations, but I never actually watched it.
What did he say if you don't mind me asking?
@@mangawriter Just Write? I have bad memory, you'd have to watch it for yourself. But if you've read the Polygon article, then it's basically that but more. The comments section would be far better at explaining than I ever could lol
Here are some outtakes from the top comments;
"I see what you're saying about the allegory, but I don't personally see this as a story of good vs evil or racists, fascist oppressors vs the group they are oppressing. I see it as a story about the cycle of hatred and the harm that it does." - Oliver
"You’re ignoring a lot of context in order to prove your point. I’m just going to name a couple times this happened." - Muhammad
"A lot of what you say is half of what the show implies" - Jose
Im really sorry I wasn't able to directly answer your question :(
@@freetime2freeminds You're fine man. All is good! :)
@@mangawriter I don't know if you've seen the original video (since it's down temporarily) but Literal Maverick made a very good video response!
My hope is that this video doesn't only view the Marleyans as the facists of this story.
Pfft, AoT was fascist well before the Marley arc.
I watched and read AoT and never once thought it was pro fascism or even about fascism... until someone else told me it was. Which means the people who think that it is are projecting. And, if Jungian psychology has thought us anything, we tend to project the dark side of ourselves onto other things and people
I only read first few chapters of the manga before stopping and only ended up here to see what the hell is in this thing after discovering a couple of openly fascist attack on titan fan groups. still didn't finish the whole thing and not going to, but there does appear to be a population of fans who seems to think fascism they found in the series to be rad. and one big thing i know about media is, if fascists are enjoying your work and how they are represented, you did something wrong
I read it and saw it as a right-wing master piece.
@@ST-ly8uf because seeing it that way, fits your personal world view. Literally everyone else disagrees with that world view.
@@Infamous1892 Except their alternative interpretations make no sense. A great example of that is the absurd Eldians == Jews interpretation.
The story is about a group of people who, having colonized and dominated the world, were brought down by a shadowy group of traitors 80 years ago.
And the author named Mikasa after Tojo's battleship - a fact I am almost certain you were unaware of.
Just because something or someone is not a leftist doesn't mean that it/they cannot be exceptional.
@@biocode4478 A work of art cannot be right or wrong. It is an aesthetic vision that is perceived and assigned morality by the subject experiencing it.
Yeah the manga explictly says that ideologies are bad, but the concept of the oppressors becoming the oppressed remains, where the Eldians (descendants of a bloody empire) are treated like the Jews. But the Jews never had an empire, never were the oppressors. Yeah i can see why people thinks there is some anti-semitic undertone. Kinda reminds me of Zootopia: racism is bad, BUT is based on historical and biological facts. Well, nope.
I can see why the people saying the show is fascist even when it's not supporting it I mean the Eldians are basically like a parallel to the Jews however the world's fear of them is somewhat justified given the threat they pose since they can turn into Titans and were descendants of a dictatorial empire long ago however I think the people who say this show is supporting facism are way too one sided when looking at this show and so do the people who agree with fascism who are fans of it, the show is way more nuanced than that and it kind of calls out both sides of the argument in a way. Personally I think this show while having anti fascist themes isn't really about how fascism is bad it's really about the cycle of hatred and conflict and how the oppressed becomes the oppressors and vice versa. I think that's a way more important message since fascism and harmful ideologies come from and are cultivated in this seemingly never ending cycle. I think this message that AOT is trying to send is one we need right now given how polarized politics have become over the years and how shit stains like Ben Shapiro and Steve Chives come out of the wood work.
I remember watching Season 1 back when it came out... Then not caring enough to watch the rest when it came back. Good times.
Did you actually watch the video?
@@mlaird9404 Yeah.
The only flaw in this review is that you get a bit repetitive.
It is still pretty good, though.
I feel like I just successfully passed a test by watching through the whole video XD
What pains me is that there are some people who support yeargerist and say Eren should destroy the whole world.
Considering what the Eldians have gone through it is understandable to have at least some sympathy for the Yeagerists even if you don’t fully agree with Erens plan .
Supporting yeagerists and supporting Eren is two different things
It's kill or be killed and obviously u will choose ur family and loved ones over ur enemy whome u have given many chance to bring peace
Because there is no other way for the survival of people inside the walls if he wouldn't do it and chill dumbass it's just a fictional story😂😂😂
@@sastaassh1112 Eren is the leader of the Yeagerists so supporting Eren or the Yeagerists are not different things .
The show makes a decent case for showing the horrors of war and racist ideology, but I disagree that it portrayed eugenics as a negative
Man it must be Christmas cause manga writer released a new video
Also I think the themes extent to the cycles of hate and vengeance and the dangers of idolizing/radicalizing because I think Eren justify his actions by making himself believe that he was the last hope for paradis island because of his ability and the fact that it was being reinforced by the characters.
The other day I got in an argument with my brother's fiancé after I did a Japanese impression. She didn't take to kindly to it, and asked me "do white people just not have empathy and are racist?" I was kind of horrified as i've never heard her speak like that, in about 5 years of knowing her, but I digress. She also brought up how Europeans have a history of being oppressive, evil conquerors. I just wanted to bring that up because it reminds me of that "golden argument" in AOT. I know my experience wasn't life threatening or anything, but it shouldn't have to be before it is considered oppressiver. I don't really want to get into it with anyone about this topic. It's just an experience I thought I should share. If anyone starts saying racist, toxic shit I'll just delete this comment. But can't we agree that people shouldn't have to suffer for the sins of their ancestors? We should look at the past, but not stare at it.
T H I S ! ! !
100% agree.
" "do white people just not have empathy and are racist?" - Unfortunately this is what a generation of social media pseudo-intellectuals now want you to believe and have been propagandizing gullible people online into believing is true. Look at any race, colour, creed or ethnicity and you'll find bigoted people in every single one, including your brother's fiance.
I'm a little confused at the comparison you're making. Was the fiancé personally offened and/or Japanese? I don't quite understand what you mean.
@@maroontiger1361 shes not japanese or asian n i didnt wanna mention what her ethnicity is cuz i didnt want ppl judging her based on that but yea i can see its kinda important leaving that out IF shes japanese
When you explain what the Israeli military is doing in Gaza without meaning to ✍🏻
I don't know what's the big deal with warhammer titan she was about to kill him and the jaw titan was about to eat Eren 😂😂😂 and what did u expect him to just surrender 😂😂
One thing AOT consistently preaches is that we must learn to recognize the humanity of the "other". Recognizing the humanity of the "other" is the exact antidote to fascism.
I just want more chapters 😪 😩
Showing that Nazi Germany wasn't that great after all is not the subversive antifascist twist you think it is. AoT shows many themes of nationalist, "race realist" and pro millitaristic views from a uniquely Japanese right wing position. Only because it doesn't literally says holocaust=good, doesn't mean AoT is a subversive critique of fascism.
did you even watch the video?
You make AoT sound really cool ngl
@@Riley19934 cool nazi
@@winnetoukim3795 K. Gonna recommend it to all my friends though.
@@Riley19934 all three of them?
...i really hope that bit about polygon having thought provoking articles was ironic or sarcastic...like most of journalism polygon is a fucking joke
Keep watching the video lol
@@mangawriter i did. I made another comment after watching the rest-i admit you had me worried cause you said it so straight. I admit if i tried to say what you said i wouldnt be able to say it with a straight face.
@@CurtyTails one of the benefits of recording while tired lmao
@@mangawriter i get you-being tired yet wanting to put something out there in some way is a bitch- great video. I admit i know shouldnt have but i havent seen the recent attack on titan seasons yet continued the video. But this has done a great job of making me want to catch up. I have seen the article on polygon in passing and considering their track record-i made an educated guess it was fucking bullshit.
Why do you care about polygon, that's the real question
Because without their take, this video wouldn't exist and I gotta thank them for that.
God bless Polygon lmao
@@mangawriter Damn, you mark a point
eren grew up in the island of pasadise not controlled by Marley and remained unaware of the rest of humanity for most of his life
When learns the truth about the eldians predicament and how the world is seeking to exterminate them he takes an entirely new path, rather then surrendering his people to certain in doom he chooses instead to fight Marley and restore Eldia to his past glory, he witnesses first hand for the entire series the suffering the eldians had to endure for simply to survive, giving up on them was never an option
After Marley and most of his allies officially declared a war to parades, eren forms his own faction called the jeagerist and sieges control of paradise government, this is met with the approval of most of the island population, they may of not wanted this war but the marlean refusal to let them exist in peace has forced their hand
As the story goes on some of the eren actions goes to them morally grey, but we the audience are forced to ask if he had any other choice
Paradise is outnumbered, outgunned and facing an enemy that wants their complete genocide, there is no simple solution to the conflict, of thing that we can conclude tho is that the eren’s desire to protect his people is justified
Also the eldians didn’t own the entire world? But their own power was destroyed by infighting and specially subversion from the marlean
Even tho this is not a 1 to 1 comparison, Attack on Titans is a series that actually highlights how Western European history or European civilisation is going down the drain
This series is blatantly pro Nationalism, and considering the cast looks and lore of this universe it’s very pro white and Japanese Nationalism but not like 99.99999% of the media who considers his own as perfect good guys and the enemy as cartoon bad guys but as a spectrum of colors between white and black
In the end yes, Eren Jeager IS peak National Socialism
Pro nationalist? Peak national socialist? Pro white???? Japanese nationalism???? You're joking lmfao. What an abysmal conclusion. Holy fucking shit. I'm actually impressed you have such a garbage take on the story.
and your delusional
@@mpo48 cry about it kid
@@orjelmort2330 if im crying the only thing im crying about is the fact that you wont get professional help for your delusions, its honestly really sad that you see something that doesent exist
good video bro
It's not about facism or anything but about survival, it's kill or be killed and obviously u will choose ur family and loved ones over ur enemy and the world asked for it declaring war after all the warnings
After 139 everyone gonna be best friends. When just few chapters ago Marley where launching all out war on paradis . Now everyone gonna holding hands and be tot talk no jutsued
Bruh Marley is pretty much gone , there's like few thousands left AT BEST
They deserved it
@@erenmademewritethis9833 lol who said a few thousand . They gave a percentage.
@@benjaminramsey498 its worse then talk no jutsued.
What about those girls Russians
Why can't people like you just enjoy what we have
Watch the Video
Because some people love to be miserable.
They don't even know what Fascism means
Well, I loved this video
Attack on titan is a good show and tbh i was triggered at first before u said what’s your true intention
Eren did nothing wrong
Cap
Yup!!!! ...... EREN DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!
So you're chilled with genocide?
Here's the real important question that everyone needs to be asking:
"So fucking what if it DOES?"
Great video. I think you will do great if you keep it up!
(kinda a spoiler do not read if anime only ok.also off topic )
The ending for the anime should be original cause if you read the manga you would know why.
Karma's a bitch
Buddy. You... don't really understand fascism, or really racism, do you? Why are you talking about Gabbi and Reiner and not he actual fascism endorsement in the story?
Since you seem to have missed it, I'll tell you exactly when AOT took a turn for the fascist -- the Eldia Restoration Movement. We can agree the show portrays this as a good cause, yes? The members as victims, as justified? Now think. For one second. What this movement is. It's not a freedom movement, it's not a plan to escape the camps and ghettos, it's not a civil rights movement. It's a movement to take back the power, to get on top of the food chain, to put the Marleyans under their boots, where they should be, for Eldians are gods chosen children and are the superior race. To Make Eldia Great Again.
Are we getting this now? Fascism, in simple terms, is "my country and race are better than yours, and we should be subjugating you". The Eldians are fascists, and they're the victims, and their cause was just. How is this not supporting fascism?
And honestly I could live with that if it wasn't for Eren, the actual fascist in the story, the main damn character, who you conveniently don't mention in the video. He supported the Yeagerists. He founded them. He fed them this ideology that you condemn. And before you tell me he's meant to be the villain, the ending is everyone thanking him for commiting genocide and agreeing this was a good decision. When the story stops and tells you that the fascist murderer is the hero and the real victim actually, that is when a story supports fascism
Everything would be just fine if people knew one fundamental thing. This is just fiction and doesn't represent reality. So,don't give it more importance than it deserves. Read it,enjoy it and drop it at that...
It only represent the idea not the reality people realy like to confused fiction as something real
Eren did nothing wrong.
Besides, there are worse ideologies than fascism.
@Domagoj Čović , yes, or most other leftist ideologies.
Now everyone talks about how bad the "fascism" is, even though they themselfs can't even describe what fascism is. Meanwhile everyone ignores the fact that socialist countries killed a lot more people during 20st century.
Plus all the western countries seem to be going the same way now.
@Joe Dirt , i don't know who he is and i don't really care. Why would you even mention that? If someone who is fascist agrees on a statement thay i made it automaticly makes that satement wrong? What kind of logic is that?
Fascism is still shitty and bad
I think the ending wat made them think the way they do. And The ending is bad as so i heard
I want to point out dispite the fact that even though it does show fascism as $hitty, there are alway people that like the shittiness. It doesnt need be pro or anti anything to potentially be a problem. Theres way too much ambiguity to say absolutely one thing or the other. Where u say something is $hitty, someone else,who is $hitty,might think is cool. Its something i think needs to be said regardless of what it says about fascism or war.
!Aaaaaah con razón¡
Well this video aged poorly lmao
Jaegerist all the way to the very end
The ending of the latest episode says otherwise
Lmao you just give a plot synopsis again and again
The Yeagerist part is the only part that bothers me cause I hate in stories with racist/fascist plots decide to make the people fighting the racist the main villain or say there just as bad because they're to radical. It does kind of come off as right wing propaganda against something like BLM or Antifa
@Anthony Suffok Okay mr racist white man chill while i do support those groups that wasn't in the statement so chill
@Stock how did "just as bad as the racist/fascist villians" become any flaws at all
eren comiting genocide is just him defending hes country from all the other enemy countrys that want hes country dead so its either hes people or the people of other countrys
wtf are you saying
@@raahimmalik2907 am saying eren has no choice, its kill or be killed.
@@neos5432 ok sorry I didn't understand at first glance
Haven’t gotten past 5 seconds of this video but I can already tell this is clickbait af
watch the video then
@@raahimmalik2907 nope
@@AlexM-xp1rz haha then don't make a critic lol
@@raahimmalik2907 i can and i want to so yea
@@AlexM-xp1rz Understandable have a great day LOL
Get out of my head
The sheer ignorance of these people, critics and audiences alike, is honestly beyond me. People just love twisting fiction that isn’t a blatant “Hero vs. Villain” story into some sort of evil propaganda, which is a case of complete and utter stupidity, to be frank. Attack on Titan doesn’t have a clear hero, but a clear stance against corruption and facism that plague’s the world we live, along with the world of the comic and series, and how the acts of genocide and racism could never be justified. Attack on Titan is just so brilliant in its masterclass storytelling and world-building, and if you honestly think that AoT is promoting facist ideals because it dares depict it, in a negative light, mind you, then you are the one in the wrong, and nothing less of an idiot.
lol
Woah fascism seems fucking awesome!
Well... Goodbye to all my interests in watching this series
Watch the video lmao
Ok now that I’ve watched the rest of this video I’m sorry for jumping to that conclusion that was my mistake
@@ZachtheRobot its okay man :)
@@ZachtheRobot it's not okay, you really shouldn't jump to conclusions like that man! This is a big problem in today's world.
@@crowntotheundergroud True
Bleeeeee i support eren because I like danger and kill
Jokes on them, Attack on titan has always been about Facism.
I already disliked no point of explaining ..
3:55
The way you were talking you convinced me you were gonna say it was lol