They changed some things. In the books Chani was very supportive of Paul while it was Jessica who was having difficulties trying to balance being a loving mother for paul and was filled with conflict about the prophecy and such.
Considering that Irulan later really does fall in love with Paul this is more tragic than one might think, especially given what it leads to in later books.
PAUL: The Princess will have no more of me then my name, plus my money, plus my palace and everything within that palace. You, you will be my baby-mama. This, I will promise you.
If you read the books you’ll see that Paul’s relationship with Chani was his true marriage. Paul and Irulan were a political thing. Spoiler alert!!! Sadly, it’s Paul’s devotion to Chani that led to her death. The Bene Gesserit sisterhood was determined to “breed” Paul and Irulan so their offspring could inherit the empire. At one point Irulan begged Paul to impregnate her for their own protection and he refused to betray Chani. Paul also knew Chani would die in childbirth. It’s weird but Paul’s romantic and sexual fidelity to Chani and his determination to put her children on the throne is what killed her and led to MORE feuding with the Imperials until Ghanima accepted Irulan’s nephew as her lover.
@@girlonfire2.076 He did, he offered BG to give them the child they want, but he stated that he will give only his seed and thus was "heresy" for them. Read the damn book one more time. It never happened because of the nukes burns out Paul's eyes and radioactivity.
are you the Kwizatz Haderach bro? you need to SpiceMaxx son.. do you have any Fremen uncles? have you been reding your Orange Catholic Bible shigawire bro? please, do you even own any CHOAM stock? hit the Prana-Bindu gym bro... youll get fit & your head straight and those Solaris, Spice and Concubines will roll in by themselves. 💪
It's probably one of the funniest moments in the book, as you're reading all the epigraphs by Irulan, and thinking to yourself who in the Shai-Hulid's name is Irulan, and then at the end you're like oh, that's who she is. Just some royal chick who wrote down this whole predicament.
Oh the poor chronicler... She and her what was the word? "Pretensions of a literary nature." People should be able to figure out who she is halfway through, though. "Princess" narrows it down a lot. That, and lots of her writings also pinpoints it, such as "In My Father's House" stating "When my father, the Padishah Emperor..."
You don't know who to feel sorry for. Irulan for what her life is about to become as little more than a hostage or Jessica and Chani with their delusions. Every chapter of Dune and the movie is introduced by Irulan, she is the historian. She is going to write the history and you can be sure Jessica's wish will not come true. No one remembers mistresses
germanicelt It could be done, look how they did all those improvements on Star Wars and Empire Strikes back by blending in newer and better special effect. It would be the best of both worlds because nobody has yet really outdone the costumes, sets and acting from this original 1980s production. I heard it was the set design and building where this thing wen insanely over budget, but then that's where this outdoes every other similar production.
If you can find it, there’s a fan edit called the Third Stage Edition...it’s as close as you’ll get to a restored/remastered version, that includes all the missing scenes.
Randall Smith I don’t even think that Denis Villeneuve’s version will touch on that part of the storyline; it’d be commercial suicide. I am hoping though that the back story of Jessica’s parentage is explained, as it’s quite interesting.
So many beautiful actresses in one movie! All rarely ever so radiant again as in Dune. Princess Irulan to her credit supports Paul & Chani fully-- what a dame!
i never realized how beautiful sean young is, i didn't like her look in blade runner but i guess that was the 80s beauty standar with the pompom hair style...
I was waiting for Paul to reiterate this to Chani in the 2024 film. It was chilling to watch her walk away, thinking Paul was casting her aside in favor of Irulan as a political move.
Chilling? Chilling perhaps that somehow she's smart enough to see the hand of Bene Gesserit manipulation in a centuries/millennia old prophecy, and yet is unable to understand the basics of imperial politics in a duke needing to keep his marriage options open. They made Chani into some weird wunderkind that is a petulant child at the same time. Same thing with Paul. It all comes off as a pretty rank Young Adult lite version of Dune.
Tbf it wasn't about Irulan and Paul's union that broke Chani. It was Paul becoming the next oppressor of her people that did broke her. Somebody has to stop Paul, and he was coping with "she'll come around" because it was easier to say it was the visions rather than actually deal with the atrocities he is committing.
The first book has three parts to it, Dune, Muad'Dib and The Prophet. Messiah was really supposed to be part 4, but Herbert's publisher had it cut because he said it would have made the first book too long. But Messiah is truly the climax of the story of the first book. The battle against House Harkonnen was not the true conflict of Dune, it was Paul's visions and his "terrible purpose", which is really the center of Messiah. I'd recommend sticking with it, even if it is a bit dull at times.
Unfortunately Irulan had the last word. She poisoning Chani trying to prevent her getting pregnant. She gets pregnant anyway but it weakens her body and she died after giving birth to twins. There's no small enemy.
Well Chani choose to be Paul's concubine and she knew he literaly forced Irulan to be a hostage and to never have children and be alone, so I kind of understand the hate Irulan has for Chani,thought it should be directed to Paul also.
I feel for Irulan. I couldn’t have made it in isolation and loneliness for 12 years. What Paul and his concubine did to her were horrible. And in the end she’s the reason his house doesn’t go extinct in a lot of ways (&stilgar played a huge role too). This book started out with Paul being the hero and it ended up turning in to Paul just being a piece of crap. I guess that’s why I liked the book because I thought it was going to be a heroes journey and an actuality it just shows that Paul only wanted power. I guess that’s the whole point is if there’s a system in place like that and there’s an emperor someone will always be oppressed. But I feel for Irulan. He could have at least given her a child or something to love. Instead him and his concubine took delight in making her miserable and kept putting it in her face how she is s hostage . And Paul was pretty grateful for her(not that he would ever admit to anything, because Paul wouldn’t even truly look at his visions and couldn’t even really see the golden path) , putting those contraceptives in his concubines stuff as he got more time with her. Too bad Irulan didn’t know because I would have killed them both. Ima get hate for this comment but whatever. I’m not saying Irulan didn’t do bad things but Paul & chani were way way worse. And Paul going off into the desert? He only gave a damn about power. He let the so-called love of his life and soulmate die in the fucking desert birthing his children he wasn’t even there to hold her fucking hand. And yet people talk about how great their love was when this is the furthest thing from a damn love story, there is, at least with those two. Ugh I just noticed a ton of typos and don’t have time to correct it all. However keep in mind they were killing historians especially since after Leto II had to all but shout at his father that he needed to die and let his messiah status be trashed yet hers were allowed to stay and a good bit of hers were legit just propaganda. She actually gave a damn about those kids and I don’t think the children meant to be cruel they just were not children. but basically there are a ton of tragic characters in this book and I feel she is one of them because she wanted so much more like she even tries to save Paul and his concubine in the beginning of Messiah by demanding a child because she is so disturbed by the conspiracy, actually tbf she was FORCED into the conspiracy, she didn’t realize what was at stake until shit really hit the fan in the conversion, the facedancer notes it because he says something along the lines of “ah, now she understands why she is truly here.” She was going to die right then and there had she not got on board and Herbert makes it a HUGE point to describe her whale fur (or whatever that was) cloak meaning she went STRAIGHT to Paul and genuinely tries to save them, the BG &even Jessica call her all this stuff and the BG “gives up” on teaching her or at least letting her realize her potential because she has so many moral quandaries with what the BG does. then when he tells her no, and she threatens to just have a baby with someone else, he says that he would quite literally torture her. And she’s actually trying to get it so they will not be killed. She was devastated when she found out that she contributed to chanis death. And I’ll be honest, I wouldn’t have been. I would’ve taken them out of the long ass time ago. I’ve always hated books where women are pitted against each other, and I fully believe that Paul and his concubine could have actually turned her against the sisterhood if they had just tried. she turns against them anyways and Paul’s own mother doesn’t. Irulan was a pawn on a chessboard, her entire life, and all she wanted was agency and ultimately, I do believe she just wanted some type of companionship. She resented her father and I would too. I mean he would play games and tried to have her killed. But in the end, Jessica was completely wrong. They did not go down in history as wives. They went down as concubines.
Came here after the shock I got watching DUNE : 2 today. What a wonderful movie. Left the hall wanting more... Now I know that Paul didn't betray Chani, it's just his next move on his quest to glory.
At the start of the scene in the new movie he privately tells her that no matter what he will always love her setting up the moment much better and then she way more realistically says yeah fck that.
@@laartwork which is stupid, he did this to prevent intergalactic war but you know, that how life is, she rather more of her people die than have a man who loves her entirely, but has to marry another woman to ensure more people live
@@catholicdad yeah its weird what gets cut and what stays in. The cat scene all rolls in with the Hawat getting his heart plug and we get some insight to his feelings. All the Hawat scenes where he is thinking Jessica killed the Duke, he is the one planning all the attacks against Mau'dib because he doesn't know its Paul; are cut or just never done! I get the book is dull at times, and you can't add everything but man I sure wish they would. I'm mad that the new movie is just two parts. We should of had 3, 3hour movies to till the whole story proper!
Dang, it's been so long since I watched this Dune movie I didn't realize it was cut. I was thinking the entire time this scene was playing, "dang, this is almost 100% straight out of the book and was impressed" Almost 100% as the Cheney conversation with Paul I believe was at a different time, or...I think there was more to it
Lynch was right to be mad, but petulant like a child to hold on to that for decades when Warner Bros would have gladly paid to finish it up to how it was originally intended to be if he was willing to come back and do so. The moment Lynch's death is announced I guarantee you WB will be moving to put together a more complete cut of this movie.
Oh my god they're so touching together! I cry each time I see that, so romantic, sensitive expression of Sean, never seen other so perfect except maybe in the late 30's movies, a candid beautiful face of fairy queen...
And the women don't play their own power games? Jamis's widow, who attaches herself to Paul for her sons' advantage? More centrally, the Bene Gesserit? Including Lady Fenring, in seducing Feyd? And Jessica, in her own way, by defying the order? Or her calculated handling of the Fremen, for the sake of her son? The women's power games involve largely their men and their children (as has been true through most of Earth's history), but it's there.
I just finished reading the book and can I just say what an asshole Paul is by the end of it? Yeah, he is strong and basically untouchable, yes, he remains faithful to Chani but the way he and his mother discuss and talk of Irulan's future as basically a trophy wife - is just so cold and brutal. She is a person too yet they just decide her fate and basically leave her to lead a life with no pleasures, almost locked away and an only joy of writing. Geez.
@@OceanSwimmer I thought Irulan had it bad throughout the books and I felt sorry for her. At first I didn't like her but I saw she was a tragic figure and related to her plight. I am an old lady...70...boy I could be wrong. what did she do wrong...been a while since I read them all...I tried to find fault with her and all I came up with was my own twisted feelings. I'm so glad to have someone to talk with about these issues...I love DUNE especially the books and love the folks that are passionate about DUNE like you and the commenters. I hope I didn't offend. SMILES... YE OLDE WOMYN OF MILL ENDS PARK PORTLAND OREGON
@@OceanSwimmer what Paul did to Irulan is beyond tragic. What Irulan did by killing chani is exactly what I have done as well. Her only fault was she risked the life twins. The babies were completely innocent. Whatever Irulan did, she did it after she was mistreated by Paul, she suffered for a time long. So her not being saint doesn't justify or excuse Paul's cruelty.
@@vanshikasharma6651 I agree Paul was cruel to Irulan. But Irulan did not set out to kill Chani, only to make her sterile. Irulan could not anticipate Chani would eventually find a way to avoid the secret contraceptives and get pregnant, thus risking her life. It's unclear Irulan even knew such a pregnancy would be extra dangerous. Seems likely she knew, but I don't think that is certain.
Then he would make the mistake of Kings through the eons! A child from each mother fighting, for the throne! In this case the universe will have war in the future!
The Fremen had multiple wives. What Paul did was politically motivated; he HAD to put away Shaddam the 4th = who was behind the violent coup against the Atredes on Arakis.
So do I, but they overutilized Julie Cox. If you have read the first book, Irulan's role in the novel is more like that of Virginia in this film. I was deeply disappointed when I read the books and met the real Irulan. I don't like her at all.
Thanks for sayin. Kyle speaks a metathesis mispronunciation at the start; he says "Yurilan" rather than "Irulan". Forgivable, but in hindsight, production could have over-dubbed it in post.
really? she's just an average girl, but I grew up in the 2000s and everyone looked like her so maybe my perception is skewed. I was always baffled as to why she was cast in everything in the 80s. Women have become much more beautiful since then even.
@@queengoblin I think she had a level of womanly confidence which was not that common to see like it is now. That was I think a real part of her attraction.
Lets put this in perspective. Paul Atreides has invaded her home, usurped her planet, exiled her family under pain of death and taken her as the spoils of war. However he refuses to consummate the marriage, everyone gossips about how she's a virgin and she's doomed to a lonely, loveless, childless life while he gets to sleep with his mistress and have children that will take her family's throne. She says to Paul 'You brought this on yourself' and he did. He was selfish and suspicious when he had no reason. The sequel books of Dune basically are about fixing Paul's mistake of not having a child with Irulan. Her nephew and Paul's daughter finally unite the Atreides-Corrino line the way Paul should have. The Atreides line is narratively punished by Leto II being infertile and so unable to carry on the line.
+ronnieraccoon1977 It appears to have been cut to get the film in at 2 hours and 17 mins (any longer and the theatres wouldn't be able to have as many showings per day). Given that the music and blue eye effects are completed it is likely that it was cut to make room for extra last minute footage, likely Irulan's intro and the Secret Report at the start of the film.
A big complaint about the Lynch interpretation of Dune is how it disempowers females. Most notably, the "weirding module" was put into the film because Lynch didn't want "kung fu in the desert" or something, yet the Bene Gesserit are shown to be almost superhuman martial artists in the novels.
Great camera-work and sound design. Shame the scene got cut. Those high-brow dialogues really come to life with those ultra sensitive microphones used by Lynch here and most of his other movies.
What are you talking about? Lynch famous fight with the movie producers because he wanted this included in the theatrical release, but the producers afraid the movie will get boycotted by women.
I was waiting in bated breath for that line. But no, such a thing was denied of the fans. A weird change indeed. One that has left me frustrated with Denis Villeneuve. Among other things.
@@Wolf10mediai think the chani from denis’s film has a more realistic reaction lol. “i’ll love you forever, i’m just gonna marry her” lmao what?? paul will get her back, we know this! just wait for dune messiah, let’s see how denis does it.
@@Wolf10media The feminist agenda has won. Although in the story, Chani herself said here that it was a foregone conclusion and she didn't care about the billions of dead, but she was insulted that she was betrayed.
There is a bit more that Jessica says to Chani in the book--that Irulan fancies herself to be a historian and that Irulan would have to content herself with that.
Not sure why Paul needs to take Irulan as his wife so that an Atreides can sit on the throne. He just beat the emperor in battle and holds him prisoner. It's already Paul's throne by right of conquest. Plus, the dude now had godlike powers, in case anyone forgot. Irulan is pretty hot, that's reason enough anyway.
The Great Houses still hold a lot of power until he can consolidate. They may not be able to overthrow him but they can make things difficult. It gives him legitimacy that just ruling as a Fremen wouldn't.
Irulan was the oldest daughter of Emperor Shaddam of House Corrino, marrying her means he will succeed him Emperor Shaddam as the next ruler. When you overtook throne by conquest, usually there would be so many rebellions and the houses would rebel against him. He was following 'form' to avoid more bloodshed that could happen. Plus she would be a wife-in name-only, and more a political prisoner to ensure House Corrino won't rebel.
This movie was tremendous and amazingly shakesperian. I saw this movie for the first time 3 years ago and I absolutely made my number 1 movie, and CHANI my # lady! :)
Ugh, this makes me mad. This would have been a much better ending for the film. But they didn't set up Jessica as a main character, so this scene wouldn't have the heartfelt resolution as it did in the book.
SciFi Channel did a miniseries in 2003 called "Children of Dune", which covered both "Dune Messiah" and "Children of Dune" novels. It is available on DVD, and there is also a French Blu-ray version [Region Free]
I have it. It expanded Irulan's role and in Children of Dune she becomes Leto & Ghani's stepmother though their relationship with her is not as prickly unlike in the books.
If they had respected Jessica's final lines, I would have forgiven Francesca for the mess she made with one of my favorite characters in fiction. I do not understand why everyone is so sorry for Irulan. Things were much worse for Chani. Her father died when she was still a girl. Her son was killed, just a baby. She felt lost and out of place despite living on her own planet. And finally she was poisoned before giving birth. Even so, she was always kind, brave and loyal, never complained.
Absolutely and she was a fighter! I believe the rumor is that Dune 2, Chani will have a bigger role and we will get to see more of it from her POV. Princess Irulan is the narrator in the books but really? She wasn't interesting enough of a character. I've never felt sorry for her, sure she was a casualty of the politics but she knew from the start Paul didn't want nothing but the title... *eh*
She didn't felt unfair because fate did that to her she got love respect and family what did irulan got a maniac father a unloving husband and a life little than a hostage she had it way worse than chani could have we feel sorry because she never got anything in her life all was spent on misery and still was told to not complain
@@ca2082 are we seeing the same scene? Irulan did not know she'd become window-dressing wife. Paul demanded her hand, and then insulting her infront of anyone in the ball room by pledging to Chani. And you say, "she knows"?. At least chani made her choice. Irulan cannot. ☝
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kinda the way the book ended... I just love book's Chani, she's not cool and grateful but strong and demanding
For all the inaccuracies of this movie it does has some parts loyal to the book. Like this scene. This is how the book end. With Jessica telling Chani that history wil call them wife's.
Looking at most of the deleted scenes, irrespective of whether the film would have been too long or not, the final official version was butchered. Inclusion of most of the deleted scenes would have made it far more coherent - the story would have been far less disjointed and meaningful. Too much good stuff was left out of the official version.
It IS worth it.. and it doesn't stop. Dune Messiah is from the original writer Frank Herbert. After his death, many other books came on the market, written based on the notes a Father left to his Son, Herbert's son. He doesn't even come close.. Dune is a work of Art, it has to be seen in the great order of things. As far as SF novels go, try Harry Harrison, the Pyrrus books ! Asimov is more then worth reading, so is Jack Vance. But Herbert's Dune sticks out on a lonely place on top..
Was a little annoyed that the line about Irulan never bearing a child of his was skipped in the new movie too, seemingly just to set up an unnecessary cliffhanger. I thought it was enough just seeing the Fremen ships take off.
Bruh...no director or producers brave enough to do it😂 It makes the women wanted to strangled whomever played Paul. Even in this version got cut out because the producers afraid it would get backlash.
It's kind of sad that the Villenueva version of Chani portrayed by Zendaya is going to be the one people are all about. The problem is that in the Villenueva film Chani starts becoming Zendaya.
@@ivanpr9525 realistic reaction in a sci-fi world based on a feudal society? this is the problem with today's audiences who cannot immerse themselves in a story that is not set in present-day New York City.
@@luthien7294 And as in any feudal society, women have a choice whether or not to deal with the BS of someone who lied to them. And on top of that they are fremen, so they know the ways of the desert.
This really saddens me. This is totally unfair, for both Chani and Irulan (and the rest of the universe who doesn't need a self-absorbed, trigger-happy guy with his finger on the nuclear button who got the throne because he threatened to do it). Paul was using Irulan. Beautiful, intelligent Irulan, who had little appreciation from her father and just about anybody, because she had been born female. She was surrounded by servants, all her life, but she never got love. She would never have love, or a marriage, or children. Chani would have love and children, but she would be the concubine.
No one remembers mistresses , also I lost respect for Chani's character She should've atleast rebelled and not just acceptedthe situationof beingthe second woman, but the books are realistic and even the main characters have greed
Many remembers royal mistresses, I mean, heck the current UK royal, his mistress (now turned wife): Camilla Parker Bowles was a mistress, more: Diane de Poitiers, Anne Boleyn, Madame de Pompadour, Madame du Barry, and so on. They're not uncommon, and seeing how marriages were basically for political reasons, those kings generally had mistresses for love-sex-companionship reasons.
I've only just recently read the first book, so maybe i'm missing something, but I feel like that final line was always a missed opportunity to say "history shall call us queens."
@msudreaming It was most likely the editors and producers that cut it. If you ever watched the extended version of the film, you would know that Lynch didn't get along with them in the end. That is why he put the ficticious director's name of Alan Smithee on it. He hated it. If you watch the extended version, you will know why. I don't think they consulted him for it at all. It's a tradegy that we can't have a directors cut on one of the best filmed movies of all time. =(
@vklnew9824 I don't watch half those channels, nor is that relevant. I like how you immediately try and attack my personal interests instead of engaging with the substance to my point. 👍
Yeah the Bene Gesserit essentially brainwashed her into being one of the bad guys. It sucks she didn’t really shake it off until it was too late to turn her life around
Irulan was already incredibly pertinent to the entire saga in the books, though she was virtually excluded from this version. I always felt that Irulan was treated worse than just about anyone else in the entire series, and that is saying a LOT. The Westerner in me says, "Fix it! Make her happy and give her something to hold onto!" The part of me that was raised in Asia says, "Her suffering and loneliness illustrate so beautifully the issues that surrounded this entire situation, and her love of Paul's twins was the only thing that kept the entire thing from falling into utter destruction. It happened as it would have and as it needed to." Poor Irulan... Virginia Madsen is gorgeous and I wish that they had brought her Irulan into focus as they did the Irulan of the mini-series.
msyPARIAH Mrs. Young you are and still are very beautiful!...I remember watching this movie Dune, The movie of the discovered dinosaur you were in and Ace ventura. And everytime you were on the scene I was like Yeeeeooow!!! loool.
@DuneInfo Holy crapola! You are awesome! I had no idea that was out there. The extended TV version made me cry it was so horrible. There were major scenes that were left out of the original that are truer to the book. It's sad that good extended versions of films (Like the LOTR trilogy) are rare.
They cut sooooo much from the movie, they should have had a 4-5 hour director's edition. Or even better, they should have broken down the movie into a trilogy to flesh out the entire story. That way they can have 3x the ticket sales increase. Not only that, they probably would have attracted even more people to theatres because the story would have made much more sense. The movie could take time to focus on characters and action rather then being rushed. Oh well.
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But Zendaya was like Aw Hell Naw
They changed some things. In the books Chani was very supportive of Paul while it was Jessica who was having difficulties trying to balance being a loving mother for paul and was filled with conflict about the prophecy and such.
And I like the new version.
well zendaya's chani was already having a conflicted feeling for paul since his fulfilling his prophecy
"She'll come around"
and called a uber worm and cried all the way home
Considering that Irulan later really does fall in love with Paul this is more tragic than one might think, especially given what it leads to in later books.
poor girl
She was a bitch who fed poison to Chani
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Well she was in love and she was ironiclly extending chanis life
@@KFlorent13 honestly chuni deserved it she was a bitch to irulan too.
It is not.
So he's going to screw the royal family,
By not screwing the royal family.
That's what I call a pro gamer move.
@anny791 no spoilers please I'm still reading dune Messiah
@@davylively2294 well just to tell you it got really fudged up at the end.
@@IloveJellow dang I posted this 2 years ago, still have not finished dune messiah, I need to get back on that
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@@davylively2294 did you finish messiah???
Shame this got cut out, really brings forth Paul's devotion to Chani.
Also kinda makes him a dick though to Irulan.
i thought it was in there. I sure remember it.
I remember this being in the film too.
Shame you're mistaken.
@ Mikishots: It was not cut, all of these cut videos are clickbait.
PAUL: The Princess will have no more of me then my name,
plus my money, plus my palace and everything within that palace. You, you will
be my baby-mama. This, I will promise you.
If you read the books you’ll see that Paul’s relationship with Chani was his true marriage. Paul and Irulan were a political thing.
Spoiler alert!!!
Sadly, it’s Paul’s devotion to Chani that led to her death. The Bene Gesserit sisterhood was determined to “breed” Paul and Irulan so their offspring could inherit the empire. At one point Irulan begged Paul to impregnate her for their own protection and he refused to betray Chani. Paul also knew Chani would die in childbirth.
It’s weird but Paul’s romantic and sexual fidelity to Chani and his determination to put her children on the throne is what killed her and led to MORE feuding with the Imperials until Ghanima accepted Irulan’s nephew as her lover.
@@amasion2882 ..even Chani told Paul at one point he should have a child with Irulan..he didnt listen
@@girlonfire2.076 He did, he offered BG to give them the child they want, but he stated that he will give only his seed and thus was "heresy" for them. Read the damn book one more time. It never happened because of the nukes burns out Paul's eyes and radioactivity.
A Masion Jacob in the Bible was happy to bread with 4 wives.
Paul Atreides would had made a good king of the Seven Kingdoms.
tried that with my girlfriend neither her or my wife where having any of it .
very unreasonable pair .
are you the Kwizatz Haderach bro? you need to SpiceMaxx son.. do you have any Fremen uncles? have you been reding your Orange Catholic Bible shigawire bro? please, do you even own any CHOAM stock? hit the Prana-Bindu gym bro... youll get fit & your head straight and those Solaris, Spice and Concubines will roll in by themselves. 💪
You need an obidient giant worm for that to work
It's a shame. This is a prime example of how our modern society is going down the drain.
You need to become an emperor first
You need to get a better girlfriend and wife my friend.
It's probably one of the funniest moments in the book, as you're reading all the epigraphs by Irulan, and thinking to yourself who in the Shai-Hulid's name is Irulan, and then at the end you're like oh, that's who she is. Just some royal chick who wrote down this whole predicament.
Oh the poor chronicler... She and her what was the word? "Pretensions of a literary nature."
People should be able to figure out who she is halfway through, though. "Princess" narrows it down a lot. That, and lots of her writings also pinpoints it, such as "In My Father's House" stating "When my father, the Padishah Emperor..."
exactly, it bothers me so much trying to know who she is
But she does say she's the Emperor's daughter...
*Because she had nothing better to do while Paul was doing all the emperoring and boinking Chani to make heirs 😆
They left that pivotal line "History will call us wives." out of this movie, but thankfully kept it in the first miniseries.
Denis Villeneuve’s version left it out too
@@TheVileOne Did it? I could swear Jessica says it at some point
@@isaacantonius9308no she doesn’t, it’s the one thing I didn’t like about the new movie.
Ooooh...dennis got cold feet. 😂 at least David Lynch faithfully put it in his 1984 dune, but got cut by the producers for theatrical version.
You don't know who to feel sorry for. Irulan for what her life is about to become as little more than a hostage or Jessica and Chani with their delusions. Every chapter of Dune and the movie is introduced by Irulan, she is the historian. She is going to write the history and you can be sure Jessica's wish will not come true. No one remembers mistresses
agree.poor irulan i really sad for her.
Well you can't have them all.
Since Irulan is pretty much window dressing in this movie, I lean more heavily towards Chani
leto II certainly does.
Did paul ever avenge chani's death?
You take Chani to the local nightclub but Irulan to the BALL.
Well if he only wants Chani to bear his kids, wouldn’t it be Irulan gets the club, Chani gets the balls?
@@MichaelAarons1701 😆
@@MichaelAarons1701 🤣
Irulan on the streets, Chani in the sheets
Nah he takes Chani everywhere.
Irulan is just the ball and chain that gives him imperial legitimacy.
Oh Paul, you fool, you'll regret that decision in a few years' time....
Someone needs to digitally remaster this and re-release a full extended version.
+8digitPDX Still waiting...........
germanicelt It could be done, look how they did all those improvements on Star Wars and Empire Strikes back by blending in newer and better special effect. It would be the best of both worlds because nobody has yet really outdone the costumes, sets and acting from this original 1980s production. I heard it was the set design and building where this thing wen insanely over budget, but then that's where this outdoes every other similar production.
If you can find it, there’s a fan edit called the Third Stage Edition...it’s as close as you’ll get to a restored/remastered version, that includes all the missing scenes.
I would like to see that, but Baron Harkonen would prove problematic due to how negatively homosexuality is portrayed through that character.
Randall Smith I don’t even think that Denis Villeneuve’s version will touch on that part of the storyline; it’d be commercial suicide. I am hoping though that the back story of Jessica’s parentage is explained, as it’s quite interesting.
"Irulan shall be my wife"
Best proposal ever
Short and sweet.
Ha! But only in name.
...you'd get aqua fontana'ed if you try it in real life fr.
So many beautiful actresses in one movie! All rarely ever so radiant again as in Dune.
Princess Irulan to her credit supports Paul & Chani fully-- what a dame!
Yes, beautiful, but talented? Chani and Jessica are not the powerful women that appear in the book.
i never realized how beautiful sean young is, i didn't like her look in blade runner but i guess that was the 80s beauty standar with the pompom hair style...
David Lynch knows how to cast women.
“Irulan will be my wife”
Irulan in 1984: 😐
Irulan in 2000: 🥰
@Ornithocheirus I must remember then
Irulan in 2023?🤔
@@sectorgovernor I was going to say the same thing :)))
@@TinaOana less than a year and we will see :)
@@sectorgovernor Pugh, the british actress
Good lord Kyle is GORGEOUS!!
yes
I was waiting for Paul to reiterate this to Chani in the 2024 film. It was chilling to watch her walk away, thinking Paul was casting her aside in favor of Irulan as a political move.
Chilling?
Chilling perhaps that somehow she's smart enough to see the hand of Bene Gesserit manipulation in a centuries/millennia old prophecy, and yet is unable to understand the basics of imperial politics in a duke needing to keep his marriage options open.
They made Chani into some weird wunderkind that is a petulant child at the same time.
Same thing with Paul.
It all comes off as a pretty rank Young Adult lite version of Dune.
Tbf it wasn't about Irulan and Paul's union that broke Chani. It was Paul becoming the next oppressor of her people that did broke her. Somebody has to stop Paul, and he was coping with "she'll come around" because it was easier to say it was the visions rather than actually deal with the atrocities he is committing.
Honestly I feel equally bad for the three of them Paul, Chani, Irulan for different reasons. 😢
The first book has three parts to it, Dune, Muad'Dib and The Prophet. Messiah was really supposed to be part 4, but Herbert's publisher had it cut because he said it would have made the first book too long.
But Messiah is truly the climax of the story of the first book. The battle against House Harkonnen was not the true conflict of Dune, it was Paul's visions and his "terrible purpose", which is really the center of Messiah. I'd recommend sticking with it, even if it is a bit dull at times.
Unfortunately Irulan had the last word. She poisoning Chani trying to prevent her getting pregnant. She gets pregnant anyway but it weakens her body and she died after giving birth to twins. There's no small enemy.
Well Chani choose to be Paul's concubine and she knew he literaly forced Irulan to be a hostage and to never have children and be alone, so I kind of understand the hate Irulan has for Chani,thought it should be directed to Paul also.
BUT, Irulan still ended up taking care of her stepchildren and even fully supporting House Atreides, to the detriment of her own house (Corrino).
@@darthvirgin7157 what can I say, women love them toxic men
@@lorenagarcia3189 Paul is too powerful to mess with.
I feel for Irulan. I couldn’t have made it in isolation and loneliness for 12 years. What Paul and his concubine did to her were horrible. And in the end she’s the reason his house doesn’t go extinct in a lot of ways (&stilgar played a huge role too). This book started out with Paul being the hero and it ended up turning in to Paul just being a piece of crap. I guess that’s why I liked the book because I thought it was going to be a heroes journey and an actuality it just shows that Paul only wanted power. I guess that’s the whole point is if there’s a system in place like that and there’s an emperor someone will always be oppressed. But I feel for Irulan. He could have at least given her a child or something to love. Instead him and his concubine took delight in making her miserable and kept putting it in her face how she is s hostage . And Paul was pretty grateful for her(not that he would ever admit to anything, because Paul wouldn’t even truly look at his visions and couldn’t even really see the golden path) , putting those contraceptives in his concubines stuff as he got more time with her. Too bad Irulan didn’t know because I would have killed them both.
Ima get hate for this comment but whatever. I’m not saying Irulan didn’t do bad things but Paul & chani were way way worse. And Paul going off into the desert? He only gave a damn about power. He let the so-called love of his life and soulmate die in the fucking desert birthing his children he wasn’t even there to hold her fucking hand. And yet people talk about how great their love was when this is the furthest thing from a damn love story, there is, at least with those two.
Ugh I just noticed a ton of typos and don’t have time to correct it all. However keep in mind they were killing historians especially since after Leto II had to all but shout at his father that he needed to die and let his messiah status be trashed yet hers were allowed to stay and a good bit of hers were legit just propaganda. She actually gave a damn about those kids and I don’t think the children meant to be cruel they just were not children. but basically there are a ton of tragic characters in this book and I feel she is one of them because she wanted so much more like she even tries to save Paul and his concubine in the beginning of Messiah by demanding a child because she is so disturbed by the conspiracy, actually tbf she was FORCED into the conspiracy, she didn’t realize what was at stake until shit really hit the fan in the conversion, the facedancer notes it because he says something along the lines of “ah, now she understands why she is truly here.” She was going to die right then and there had she not got on board and Herbert makes it a HUGE point to describe her whale fur (or whatever that was) cloak meaning she went STRAIGHT to Paul and genuinely tries to save them, the BG &even Jessica call her all this stuff and the BG “gives up” on teaching her or at least letting her realize her potential because she has so many moral quandaries with what the BG does. then when he tells her no, and she threatens to just have a baby with someone else, he says that he would quite literally torture her. And she’s actually trying to get it so they will not be killed. She was devastated when she found out that she contributed to chanis death. And I’ll be honest, I wouldn’t have been. I would’ve taken them out of the long ass time ago. I’ve always hated books where women are pitted against each other, and I fully believe that Paul and his concubine could have actually turned her against the sisterhood if they had just tried. she turns against them anyways and Paul’s own mother doesn’t. Irulan was a pawn on a chessboard, her entire life, and all she wanted was agency and ultimately, I do believe she just wanted some type of companionship. She resented her father and I would too. I mean he would play games and tried to have her killed. But in the end, Jessica was completely wrong. They did not go down in history as wives. They went down as concubines.
Came here after the shock I got watching DUNE : 2 today. What a wonderful movie. Left the hall wanting more... Now I know that Paul didn't betray Chani, it's just his next move on his quest to glory.
At the start of the scene in the new movie he privately tells her that no matter what he will always love her setting up the moment much better and then she way more realistically says yeah fck that.
You must be from 1950s looked like betrayal to me dude.
Life and living it often is betrayal to another. However, in this case there would have been no happy ending for anyone had it gone the other way.
Verry much still a betrayal. He just couched it in some nice words
@@laartwork which is stupid, he did this to prevent intergalactic war but you know, that how life is, she rather more of her people die than have a man who loves her entirely, but has to marry another woman to ensure more people live
Sean Young was approximately 27x more attractive than Zendaya
This is a great version of Dune. It's too bad they cut so much of it out in the final version.
They had to make room for the cat milking scene.
@@catholicdad yeah its weird what gets cut and what stays in. The cat scene all rolls in with the Hawat getting his heart plug and we get some insight to his feelings. All the Hawat scenes where he is thinking Jessica killed the Duke, he is the one planning all the attacks against Mau'dib because he doesn't know its Paul; are cut or just never done! I get the book is dull at times, and you can't add everything but man I sure wish they would. I'm mad that the new movie is just two parts. We should of had 3, 3hour movies to till the whole story proper!
@@ricofico I agree. I'd definitely put in more about Keynes. I think he' central to the whole story and really pre-figures Paul.
Dang, it's been so long since I watched this Dune movie I didn't realize it was cut. I was thinking the entire time this scene was playing, "dang, this is almost 100% straight out of the book and was impressed"
Almost 100% as the Cheney conversation with Paul I believe was at a different time, or...I think there was more to it
Lynch was right to be mad, but petulant like a child to hold on to that for decades when Warner Bros would have gladly paid to finish it up to how it was originally intended to be if he was willing to come back and do so.
The moment Lynch's death is announced I guarantee you WB will be moving to put together a more complete cut of this movie.
Oh my god they're so touching together! I cry each time I see that, so romantic, sensitive expression of Sean, never seen other so perfect except maybe in the late 30's movies, a candid beautiful face of fairy queen...
+aima pile Romantic? Irulan gets treated like shit her entire life.
@@jonahfalcon1970 they're talking about Paul and chani
@@ftm2ray Yes, and Irulan gets treated like shit for no reason BECAUSE OF PAUL AND CHANI.
Read the f'ing books.
What a let down for Irulan.
And the women don't play their own power games? Jamis's widow, who
attaches herself to Paul for her sons' advantage? More centrally, the Bene
Gesserit? Including Lady Fenring, in seducing Feyd? And Jessica, in her
own way, by defying the order? Or her calculated handling of the Fremen, for the sake of her son? The women's power games involve largely their men and their children (as has been true through most of Earth's history), but it's there.
I just finished reading the book and can I just say what an asshole Paul is by the end of it? Yeah, he is strong and basically untouchable, yes, he remains faithful to Chani but the way he and his mother discuss and talk of Irulan's future as basically a trophy wife - is just so cold and brutal. She is a person too yet they just decide her fate and basically leave her to lead a life with no pleasures, almost locked away and an only joy of writing. Geez.
Read the entire series.
Irulan is no saint. Far from it!
@@OceanSwimmer I am aware of what happens next but will not read the whole series as I know that it is not that good. Anyway that's not the point.
@@OceanSwimmer I thought Irulan had it bad throughout the books and I felt sorry for her. At first I didn't like her but I saw she was a tragic figure and related to her plight. I am an old lady...70...boy I could be wrong. what did she do wrong...been a while since I read them all...I tried to find fault with her and all I came up with was my own twisted feelings. I'm so glad to have someone to talk with about these issues...I love DUNE especially the books and love the folks that are passionate about DUNE like you and the commenters. I hope I didn't offend.
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@@OceanSwimmer what Paul did to Irulan is beyond tragic. What Irulan did by killing chani is exactly what I have done as well. Her only fault was she risked the life twins. The babies were completely innocent. Whatever Irulan did, she did it after she was mistreated by Paul, she suffered for a time long. So her not being saint doesn't justify or excuse Paul's cruelty.
@@vanshikasharma6651 I agree Paul was cruel to Irulan. But Irulan did not set out to kill Chani, only to make her sterile. Irulan could not anticipate Chani would eventually find a way to avoid the secret contraceptives and get pregnant, thus risking her life. It's unclear Irulan even knew such a pregnancy would be extra dangerous. Seems likely she knew, but I don't think that is certain.
"history will call us wives." direct quote from the last words in the first book. cool :)
Paul should have said, now I am king I can have two women at once SHAI HULUD
Best comment here!
"Don't worry ladies...there's enough of me to go around."
Then he would make the mistake of Kings through the eons! A child from each mother fighting, for the throne! In this case the universe will have war in the future!
The Fremen had multiple wives.
What Paul did was politically motivated; he HAD to put away Shaddam the 4th = who was behind the violent coup against the Atredes on Arakis.
Fremen can have multiple wives. lol.
Seriously underutilized Virginia Madsen. I liked the character of Irulan in the Sci-Fi miniseries.
So do I, but they overutilized Julie Cox. If you have read the first book, Irulan's role in the novel is more like that of Virginia in this film. I was deeply disappointed when I read the books and met the real Irulan. I don't like her at all.
I totally agree. VM is a great actress.
And she was HOT 👅
Danne still is
yes. in the Messia and Children f Dune Irulan is a important character
Poor Zendaya’s Chani.
As messy as this film was, the beauty of Sean Young made it much easier to watch.
Thanks for sayin. Kyle speaks a metathesis mispronunciation at the start; he says "Yurilan" rather than "Irulan". Forgivable, but in hindsight, production could have over-dubbed it in post.
@London Journo this film looks exactly like a 60s movie
really? she's just an average girl, but I grew up in the 2000s and everyone looked like her so maybe my perception is skewed. I was always baffled as to why she was cast in everything in the 80s. Women have become much more beautiful since then even.
@@queengoblin I think she had a level of womanly confidence which was not that common to see like it is now. That was I think a real part of her attraction.
@@PhilAndersonOutside ok thanks for answering, that makes a lot of sense, i see why that is attractive
Poor Irulan. Treated like shit her entire life.
I watched this again on tv a few nights ago.
She poisoned Chani, though. With infertility drugs.
Lets put this in perspective. Paul Atreides has invaded her home, usurped her planet, exiled her family under pain of death and taken her as the spoils of war. However he refuses to consummate the marriage, everyone gossips about how she's a virgin and she's doomed to a lonely, loveless, childless life while he gets to sleep with his mistress and have children that will take her family's throne. She says to Paul 'You brought this on yourself' and he did. He was selfish and suspicious when he had no reason.
The sequel books of Dune basically are about fixing Paul's mistake of not having a child with Irulan. Her nephew and Paul's daughter finally unite the Atreides-Corrino line the way Paul should have. The Atreides line is narratively punished by Leto II being infertile and so unable to carry on the line.
@@04nbod i totally agree.paul was a selfish.poor irulan.he destroyed her life
@@ironmanmarvel5568that is why i hated herbert.
I wonder why they cut this? This was how the book ended.
+ronnieraccoon1977 It appears to have been cut to get the film in at 2 hours and 17 mins (any longer and the theatres wouldn't be able to have as many showings per day). Given that the music and blue eye effects are completed it is likely that it was cut to make room for extra last minute footage, likely Irulan's intro and the Secret Report at the start of the film.
Having a movie that long is no big deal these days.
A big complaint about the Lynch interpretation of Dune is how it disempowers females. Most notably, the "weirding module" was put into the film because Lynch didn't want "kung fu in the desert" or something, yet the Bene Gesserit are shown to be almost superhuman martial artists in the novels.
You're right, they ruined Jessica and Chani.
Because David Lynch, and the DeLaurentis' are tools.
Great camera-work and sound design. Shame the scene got cut.
Those high-brow dialogues really come to life with those ultra sensitive microphones used by Lynch here and most of his other movies.
They should've kept it. I've been explaining the triangle to non-scifi friends for years! Especially the part about his kids & who raises them.
A Virginia Madsen/Sean Young sandwich, yummy.
Vaultboy101 that's my next half hour sorted
eheheheheheh the Emperor Pauld Atreides is a lucky man with 2 beatiful wifes like a Sultane
As a wise man once said “He is not the Messiah. He is a very naughty boy”
This scene was deleted so that we can have that vital important crucial scene of Rabban eating a (live?) cow and near naked Sting. Thanks Lynch :\
Naked Sting is TIGHT
David Lynch did not have control of the final edit. That is well known.
As a straight male I’m onside with that Sting scene remaining in the cut
What are you talking about? Lynch famous fight with the movie producers because he wanted this included in the theatrical release, but the producers afraid the movie will get boycotted by women.
@@nurlindafsihotang49 lol, source?
I really wish they had included that last line from Jessica to Chani in the 2024 film.
I was waiting in bated breath for that line. But no, such a thing was denied of the fans. A weird change indeed. One that has left me frustrated with Denis Villeneuve. Among other things.
@@Wolf10mediai think the chani from denis’s film has a more realistic reaction lol. “i’ll love you forever, i’m just gonna marry her” lmao what?? paul will get her back, we know this! just wait for dune messiah, let’s see how denis does it.
@@Wolf10media The feminist agenda has won. Although in the story, Chani herself said here that it was a foregone conclusion and she didn't care about the billions of dead, but she was insulted that she was betrayed.
@@chance757 Pray that your optimism is rewarded. 🤗
Don’t think Villeneuve’s Chani was in the mood for that pep talk, lol
I hated the way Paul treated irulan...
I thought she was going to say "whores"...
Zendeya Chani walked off in anger after this part. 😂
More authentic Chani
@@tim_is_random How can she be more authentic when the actual authentic Chani is fully loyal to Paul?
@@BlueSpawnThe “actual authentic Chani”? You know she’s a fictional character, right?
@@tim_is_random authentic to its original creation in the fictional book
@@StoicFlame Agree to disagree
The only reason I went to see this film was for Sean Young.
There is a bit more that Jessica says to Chani in the book--that Irulan fancies herself to be a historian and that Irulan would have to content herself with that.
Not sure why Paul needs to take Irulan as his wife so that an Atreides can sit on the throne. He just beat the emperor in battle and holds him prisoner. It's already Paul's throne by right of conquest. Plus, the dude now had godlike powers, in case anyone forgot. Irulan is pretty hot, that's reason enough anyway.
The Great Houses still hold a lot of power until he can consolidate. They may not be able to overthrow him but they can make things difficult. It gives him legitimacy that just ruling as a Fremen wouldn't.
That's not how the right of conquest works.
Irulan was the oldest daughter of Emperor Shaddam of House Corrino, marrying her means he will succeed him Emperor Shaddam as the next ruler. When you overtook throne by conquest, usually there would be so many rebellions and the houses would rebel against him. He was following 'form' to avoid more bloodshed that could happen. Plus she would be a wife-in name-only, and more a political prisoner to ensure House Corrino won't rebel.
Ursuper usually get very troubled reign. "If he can do it, why cant i?" Logic by other nobles.
@@nurlindafsihotang49 Good point.
History doesn’t call concubines wives.
the last line spoken in this clip is the last line of the book :)
This movie was tremendous and amazingly shakesperian. I saw this movie for the first time 3 years ago and I absolutely made my number 1 movie, and CHANI my # lady! :)
Ugh, this makes me mad. This would have been a much better ending for the film. But they didn't set up Jessica as a main character, so this scene wouldn't have the heartfelt resolution as it did in the book.
I would have married Irulan AND consummated :)
jwild Irelan looked pretty hot
@Reluctant Human Pfft, I could make it at least 30 seconds.
Sean Young herself posting in this comment section (no joke, scroll down below) makes this comment section worthy of Shai Hulud.
This bit is far better than the one in part 2. Grumpy Zendaya got on my nerves just a little bit.
Sean Young was a better Chani
Meh i like the fallout of losing his humanity
SciFi Channel did a miniseries in 2003 called "Children of Dune", which covered both "Dune Messiah" and "Children of Dune" novels. It is available on DVD, and there is also a French Blu-ray version [Region Free]
I have it. It expanded Irulan's role and in Children of Dune she becomes Leto & Ghani's stepmother though their relationship with her is not as prickly unlike in the books.
Yeah it stopped at the God Emperor storyline. But I do think that is the best version out there.
Such advanced societies and they still have royalty?
Imagine you can just walk to your crush's dad and say "*insert name* shall be my wife"
You know this could all be solved a by a little thing called a threeway
Don't forget Harah, Jamis' ex-wife and her two kids. Paul's family includes more than most realise.
If they had respected Jessica's final lines, I would have forgiven Francesca for the mess she made with one of my favorite characters in fiction. I do not understand why everyone is so sorry for Irulan. Things were much worse for Chani. Her father died when she was still a girl. Her son was killed, just a baby. She felt lost and out of place despite living on her own planet. And finally she was poisoned before giving birth. Even so, she was always kind, brave and loyal, never complained.
She was an abuser & treated princess irulan like shit get your facts straight.
So, a doormat.
Absolutely and she was a fighter! I believe the rumor is that Dune 2, Chani will have a bigger role and we will get to see more of it from her POV. Princess Irulan is the narrator in the books but really? She wasn't interesting enough of a character. I've never felt sorry for her, sure she was a casualty of the politics but she knew from the start Paul didn't want nothing but the title... *eh*
She didn't felt unfair because fate did that to her she got love respect and family what did irulan got a maniac father a unloving husband and a life little than a hostage she had it way worse than chani could have we feel sorry because she never got anything in her life all was spent on misery and still was told to not complain
@@ca2082 are we seeing the same scene? Irulan did not know she'd become window-dressing wife. Paul demanded her hand, and then insulting her infront of anyone in the ball room by pledging to Chani.
And you say, "she knows"?. At least chani made her choice. Irulan cannot. ☝
kinda the way the book ended... I just love book's Chani, she's not cool and grateful but strong and demanding
For all the inaccuracies of this movie it does has some parts loyal to the book. Like this scene. This is how the book end. With Jessica telling Chani that history wil call them wife's.
I was waiting for that line in the new movie, but it never came. Which is probably for the best, now that I think about it.
Looking at most of the deleted scenes, irrespective of whether the film would have been too long or not, the final official version was butchered. Inclusion of most of the deleted scenes would have made it far more coherent - the story would have been far less disjointed and meaningful. Too much good stuff was left out of the official version.
And too much bad stuff was left in. There was no need for that incredibly long hunter seeker scene for example.
Straight from the book.
lol yeah whatever…you know she was absolutely seething inside 😂😂
0:07 HAI SIT ON THE THROOooNAHH
The one scene that should've been included was the death of poor Thufir Hawat.
A shame it was taken out of the movie. That's how it ended in the novel.
It IS worth it.. and it doesn't stop. Dune Messiah is from the original writer Frank Herbert. After his death, many other books came on the market, written based on the notes a Father left to his Son, Herbert's son. He doesn't even come close.. Dune is a work of Art, it has to be seen in the great order of things. As far as SF novels go, try Harry Harrison, the Pyrrus books ! Asimov is more then worth reading, so is Jack Vance. But Herbert's Dune sticks out on a lonely place on top..
Was a little annoyed that the line about Irulan never bearing a child of his was skipped in the new movie too, seemingly just to set up an unnecessary cliffhanger. I thought it was enough just seeing the Fremen ships take off.
Bruh...no director or producers brave enough to do it😂
It makes the women wanted to strangled whomever played Paul. Even in this version got cut out because the producers afraid it would get backlash.
@@nurlindafsihotang49 they kept the line in the 2000 TV show adaption.
Oh Cold as ice, yeah you can have my name but nothing else!
It's kind of sad that the Villenueva version of Chani portrayed by Zendaya is going to be the one people are all about. The problem is that in the Villenueva film Chani starts becoming Zendaya.
It's a much more realistic reaction to seeing the man you love take a second wife to become emperor
@@ivanpr9525 I understand that. I just think she was a bit much and the ending capped it off. Chani didn't ruin the movie for me.
@@ivanpr9525 realistic reaction in a sci-fi world based on a feudal society? this is the problem with today's audiences who cannot immerse themselves in a story that is not set in present-day New York City.
@@luthien7294 And as in any feudal society, women have a choice whether or not to deal with the BS of someone who lied to them. And on top of that they are fremen, so they know the ways of the desert.
@@luthien7294 If this was a realistic feudal she would have either fled or commited suicide or became a nun to divorce
This really saddens me. This is totally unfair, for both Chani and Irulan (and the rest of the universe who doesn't need a self-absorbed, trigger-happy guy with his finger on the nuclear button who got the throne because he threatened to do it). Paul was using Irulan. Beautiful, intelligent Irulan, who had little appreciation from her father and just about anybody, because she had been born female. She was surrounded by servants, all her life, but she never got love. She would never have love, or a marriage, or children. Chani would have love and children, but she would be the concubine.
i agree.paul is such a selfish person.poor irulan she deserves better life.
I assume you never really read the book
@@biancalldr Oh, I read it alright.
@@biancalldroh i did. And paul is no hero. Spectacular bastard, that he is.
THe blue in their eyes was gone at the end lol
Kinda wish they had this scene in Dune Part Two
Damn those word-per-word lines tho
No one remembers mistresses , also I lost respect for Chani's character
She should've atleast rebelled and not just acceptedthe situationof beingthe second woman, but the books are realistic and even the main characters have greed
Many remembers royal mistresses, I mean, heck the current UK royal, his mistress (now turned wife): Camilla Parker Bowles was a mistress, more: Diane de Poitiers, Anne Boleyn, Madame de Pompadour, Madame du Barry, and so on. They're not uncommon, and seeing how marriages were basically for political reasons, those kings generally had mistresses for love-sex-companionship reasons.
Chani, "I'm right here Paul!"
This was the great love oath of Muab´Dib for Chani.
I've only just recently read the first book, so maybe i'm missing something, but I feel like that final line was always a missed opportunity to say "history shall call us queens."
I wish this was in the second movie
It was! Just moved earlier
That's actually a _really_ great scene!
@msudreaming It was most likely the editors and producers that cut it. If you ever watched the extended version of the film, you would know that Lynch didn't get along with them in the end. That is why he put the ficticious director's name of Alan Smithee on it. He hated it. If you watch the extended version, you will know why. I don't think they consulted him for it at all. It's a tradegy that we can't have a directors cut on one of the best filmed movies of all time. =(
Love how the king is like:"Say sike rn "
“Are you deadass rn?”
This was a better ending scene than just Chani staring angrily at the camera in a close-up.
I tend not to prefer the expressionless Chani staring off into nothingness. A character without character.
@@adam0887 "a character without character" what does wastrel that watches tyt, Sam Seder, vaush and Colbert know of "character"?
@vklnew9824 I don't watch half those channels, nor is that relevant. I like how you immediately try and attack my personal interests instead of engaging with the substance to my point. 👍
@@adam0887 better to mock talking-garbage than argue with it.
@@vklnew9824 Says the one spewing the garbage.
At the start of the speech he mentions marrying Irulan so an Atreides can sit on the Throne and then tells Chani he will have no kids with Irulan!
Irulan deserved better...
Yeah the Bene Gesserit essentially brainwashed her into being one of the bad guys. It sucks she didn’t really shake it off until it was too late to turn her life around
@@rohanshah7559bruh ..DO YOU REALIZED HOW POWERFUL THE BG WERE? irulan just tries to stay alive and kept her father and sisters safe!
I've no idea which cut of Dune you've seen, but this scene has been in every copy of Dune that I have seen over here in the UK.
It's so small in the black frame I can barely see it on my cell phone ... I haven't seen this movie in ages and don't remember this scene
Well, this makes the princess relevant in the story, sort of. Plus, she is pretty cute.
Irulan was already incredibly pertinent to the entire saga in the books, though she was virtually excluded from this version. I always felt that Irulan was treated worse than just about anyone else in the entire series, and that is saying a LOT. The Westerner in me says, "Fix it! Make her happy and give her something to hold onto!" The part of me that was raised in Asia says, "Her suffering and loneliness illustrate so beautifully the issues that surrounded this entire situation, and her love of Paul's twins was the only thing that kept the entire thing from falling into utter destruction. It happened as it would have and as it needed to." Poor Irulan... Virginia Madsen is gorgeous and I wish that they had brought her Irulan into focus as they did the Irulan of the mini-series.
Really? I think is the most spoiled by the fans, when she is a character that does not contribute anything at all.
@@zannaifacedancer5915 read the book
Finkle is Einhorn.....EINHORN IS FINKLE!!!!
Exactely as it was written, exactely what I missed in the Villeneuve part II 💔
But I am happy. Now it's Irulan time.
It was in Villeneuve’s part II, it was just moved to before the battle
Lynch has disowned this movie yet again. That's likely for the best.
Hahahaha ahahah LOL Gosh that was a long time ago!
msyPARIAH You were still awesome in it Miss Young!
Time has been VERY kind to you, beautiful Ms. Young.
msyPARIAH Mrs. Young you are and still are very beautiful!...I remember watching this movie Dune, The movie of the discovered dinosaur you were in and Ace ventura. And everytime you were on the scene I was like Yeeeeooow!!! loool.
+msyPARIAH Miss Young OMG best wishes to you...The 1984 Dune is the only Dune
+coachvega85 You forgot to mention Blade Runner and Stripes.
If i was Paul, chani was my first choice,
The fact that Chani was ok with being a concubine is meh, but the fact that she was ok with Paul starting a violent Jihad is totally awful.
Well, she was a Fremen after all
Trying to avoid spoilers: I wonder why this conversation is different in the new movie. 🤔
just to set up a dramatic cliffhanger is my guess.
It’s largely the same, it’s just moved earlier in the film
They should have done this in Dune Part 2.
Which part. This was cut from the original but in the new movie it's back.
He didn’t ask for her permission though, he just spew it out to the emperor. And then Chani got pissy and left.
This scene happened before the battle, in Villeneuve’s Dune
@DuneInfo Holy crapola! You are awesome! I had no idea that was out there. The extended TV version made me cry it was so horrible. There were major scenes that were left out of the original that are truer to the book. It's sad that good extended versions of films (Like the LOTR trilogy) are rare.
They cut sooooo much from the movie, they should have had a 4-5 hour director's edition.
Or even better, they should have broken down the movie into a trilogy to flesh out the entire story. That way they can have 3x the ticket sales increase. Not only that, they probably would have attracted even more people to theatres because the story would have made much more sense. The movie could take time to focus on characters and action rather then being rushed. Oh well.
0:36 you shitting me?!?! Princess Irulan is the original Spice Girl, and the beautifullest Queen of the Universe LOL!!.
I sort of like SciFi's version in 2000. They gave her more of a roll other than the introduction narrator and the prize.
Based chad ends relation and starts another new relation in front of ex
Almost 75, lifelong scifier, but just can't seem to get passed Kyle's (Paul) version of Dune, Can't stay focused .....
1:06 Uh, No, Lady Jessica. A concubine is a concubine and will NEVER be anything but a concubine.