These really are awesome to have. We have multiple cars so I bought the 'quick connects' and redid the hose ends. (Kinda like Air Tool Couplers) helps the hose from twisting up. Motive has cool bits to make the jobs sooo easy. Denatured Alcohol to clean things up when finished.
Many of the new Audi's service manual call for approx. 30psi to bleed the brakes. This forces the ABS system valves open otherwise you get no flow to all of the calipers. You can do it with the Motive, you just have to pump it up until the needle goes past the 20psi mark. Even though the manual says 2 Bar (29+ psi), many say a little past 20 psi will work. I had a very slow flow from the rear Calipers on a '14 RS5 at just over 20psi.
Appreciate the tip. On many modern cars you can also see good results with using VCDS or another scan tool to run an ABS bleed, which runs the pumps and clears the valves of old fluid/air.
Finally bought a schwaben bleeder been doing it old school for 20 years I found with 20 psi on my 2015 A3 the fluid came out of the rear bleeder at the smallest slow stream barely visible. Called the ecs tuning about it (sorry fcp) and they had had a bad batch of bleeder supposedly getting new one. But I feel they say 20psi for liability reasons when you use shop air it's typically higher than 29psi.
Excellent video, have had this tool for over 12 years and I have always chosen the longer “method” meaning , because have had six different vehicles simultaneously and use different brake fluids I have chosen to never put brake fluid in the Motive tank, therefore I just simply pump the tank to 15 lbs. and start the bleeding process as you methodically explained, I just simply make sure the brake master cylinder does not get too low and keep topping the master cylinder with new fresh brake fluid of whichever type for a particular car that I’m working with. Obviously this is more time consuming but I do it this way in order not to have to clean the Motive tank when switching to a different brake fluid, flame away but it has worked for me and I don’t mind the extra work and time involved, I guess there is more than one way to skin a cat . Again very informative video and I love the Motive tool, thank you for this wonderful informative video
PERFECT TOOLS for an easy job. Your VIDEOS are the best and all YOUR TIPS are awesome. Thanks Michael. Love watching all your Tutorials. WIll pick up a set
Thank you, very detailed. I will get a pressure system instead of a vacuum system. Shade tree mechanic here, laying on the grass, no lift for the vehicle. 😁
As I learned today, the little rubber gasket seal these Motive bleaders come with...is important, lol. Mine came with two, a smaller/thicker rubber gasket, and a larger/thinner one. Not knowing the difference I used the smaller of the two. It fit fine on the brake reservoir, and was holding pressure up until about 10psi, which is when it blew right off the top - spraying fluid everywhere. So yeah, if you're about to do this job and you're watching this video like I did....make sure you use the right gasket. Great video btw! Other than my own stupidity, the directions are spot on!
If a vehicle is equipped with antilock brakes, the order of bleeding is furthest from the ABS block. Otherwise, yes, furthest from the MBC. My ABS block is on the passenger side. So, I go _LR - RR - LF - RF_
I installed a quick connect fittings in the line from the tank to the cap, makes installing easier as the tubing does not get twisted. Have been using this bleeder system for over 10 years.
These are nice tools. I needed one 'right now' so I made my own with a 1/2 gallon bug sprayer, it already had a 1/4" hose, cut off the sprayer, added some quick connect and hose fittings and there you have it. The sprayers are thick enough to drill and tap for a gauge but I put mine inline with the hose. I machined an aluminum cap for use on BMWs. I'll admit that finding caps to use is difficult so buying a unit like this with one or multiple caps for different vehicles is a big plus and definitely worth it. Also, I refill the master by hand and don't put fluid in the pressure tank. I wouldn't put the fluid back in the bottle and I don't, or won't, use fluid that's been in the tank for more than a couple hours so saving the cleanup is worth it.
@@Jakedelus How does that work, no air is introduced into the system that way? So for one caliper for instance you pressurize the system at pump(dry) and then bleed out the fluid until nothing is coming through the hose at that one bleeder then depressurize and disconnect the fitting at the master cylinder and fill it back up to the max line. Then repeat that process for every other caliper? Just trying to make sure I'm understanding correctly...
@@jeffherrington air wont go from reservoir to brake lines as long you have fluid in reservoir. No matter if you have fluid in bleeder tool container or not. And yes just like you say= pressurise the system with tool and go thru all brakes,disconnect tool and finaly top the reservoir to upper level.
I am starting to notice that factory service manuals for modern cars require a second person to pump the brake pedal WHILE the power/ pressure bleeder is connected and the bleeder nipple open, In other words the classic pump and hold method is added on the regular pressure bleeding process which is confusing, I always thought that pressure bleeding does not require any movement from the master cylinder, and that two person pump and hold sequence is only for the classic manual bleeding process, but factory service manuals are very specific about it , what's your thoughts on this?
2012 Volvo S80 T6. Swapped the front brakes to the XC60 dual piston calipers with the 336mm rotors. Bleeding the whole system just in time for some vacation trips 🎉
Great video, I was cheap so I went ahead and bought the "smotive" version of this device. I am actually really impressed with how feature rich it is however. There was a slight leak when I put it to 10psi ( could hear it but the psi did not decline rapidly). I adjusted the cap a bit and it seems to have gone away.. wondering if the threads on my reservoir are worn.
Two things I learned using this this weekend is be careful to make sure the gasket doesn’t get pinched; you won’t know until brake fluid starts spilling all over the floor. Also if you own a mk7 GTI or similar put the cap somewhere where you won’t bump it, or you may spend 2 hours searching your engine bay for the f*cking thing. Learned both of these this weekend! 😂
@@AlexisRodriguez-yv6sf maybe pinched is the wrong word, but it definitely got out of place. I did snug it down quite a bit since the service manual for my car recommends bleeding at 29 psi, but just hand tighten
Thank you for this helpful video, I have a question, different cars have different brake fluid reservoir caps, how does the Motive Power Bleeder can fit to these different cap threads, sizes? I would appreciate an answer
Hi Mike, Just came across your FANTASTIC DETAILED VIDEO. This has to be the best informative video of all the others that I have seen. One question, how do you thourelly clean the motive if you are to use a different brake fluid on a different vehicle? You're input would be appreciated by all who use these tools. Cheers Vic.
Do you need to prime the line from the pump to the reservoir? Where does all the air from the line go when the system pulls the fluid from the large bottle? Cheers
The first time I bleed brakes on my Truck, this motive bleeder worked perfectly. The Second Time I had a problem. I had filled the Motive Pump bottle 1/2 full of brake fluid, pumped the pressure up to 15 psi, and then began to bleed the brakes one wheel at a time, making sure I pumped up the pressure to 15 psi after each wheel. When I got done with the 4th Wheel, my Motive Bleeder was still half full of brake Fluid, but I didn't have any fluid in my brake fluid reservoir on my master cylinder. For some reason the motive bleeder wasn't keeping my brake fluid reservoir full as I bleed the brakes. Now I have to do it all over again.
Down at the wheel, ensure the bleed hose is pointed upward before looping down into the catch can...That way theres no chance of air pockets returning back in the system if your pressure drops too low. Is always good to do a final bleed via the foot pedal...One benefit of this pressure system is it avoids eager foot travel on poorly serviced Vehicles.
@@shize9ine The seals within the master cylinder often collect sediment on the edges. The vacuum effect doesn't suck the fluid from all the crevasses in the sealed area but from the least resistance journey from the reservoir. Doing a final foot pump and holding down, while the bleed nipple is closed, ensures any old fluid surrounding the seals is flushed out of the cylinder where it can cause surface damage to the seals., and pushes the entire volume of fluid, rather than vacuum flow. Hence my comment regarding the "eager foot travel"... Cylinder bore's surface collects the sediment in the area where the travel area while pressurized does not reach...Using the foot pump method, one should not push the pedal further down than when the brake system is pressurized to avoid damaging the seals due to excessive travel in the cylinder... Tried to explain it in two or three examples... hope this helps.
@@peterlattimore6013 wish this was posted just two days ago instead of now. Flushed my brake system two days ago; when I got the car back on leveled ground, did the good ol’ method to pump the brake pedal before starting the car. May have pressed it too hard and too far, my brake pedal is now squeaking and potentially have damaged the master cylinder 😢 Welp, on the bright side, everyone’s gotta learn from their own mistakes!
@@louislaw8655 Spray some lithium grease up n under the pivot shaft of the pedal assembly... Never heard of noise being emitted from a leaky master cylinder... You may have just disturbed the surface of the shaft where it rotates... Can't give you any more confidence, I'm afraid...Good luck...
I have an 07 toyota tundra and am wanting to know if the adapter that comes with this is efficient for the job. I’m reading info that the adapter(s) that come with this kit are very good.
Question. Do you have to extract the old fluid out of the brake fluid reservoir and fill with fresh before using this tool? Can this be used on Asian cars as well.. I have to kia/hyundia brand cars.
Great video. Unfortunatley, I could never get a tight seal around the brake fluid reservoir. Made a mess everytime I tried, no matter what. Ended up throwing the product in the trash :(
Did you first empty out the master cylinder? Or did you move all of that old brake fluid along with the new brake fluid through your first bleeder valve?
@edgark9814: Good qustion, you may be able to get rid of it by running some fluid into a catch bottle before attaching the tool to the brake fluid reservoir, or alternatively leave the hose end slightly above the reservoir until you see fluid coming out.
Always good to empty the reservoir and fill it with clean brake fluid before you attach the Power Bleeder. Much quicker than pushing all the old/dirty fluid through the system.
Wow, thanks for this video! I got my early American rectangular power bleeder kit 0105 last year. However, it looks like I did not use it correctly. I did not know the fluid goes into the pump kit! So it appears I did a bunch of back-and-forth running back-and-forth constantly filling up the fluid reservoir (after unchaining the cap) and having to put more air pressure back into the pump kit! Now I actually look forward to using this kit on my other vehicles. And of course it should go a whole lot faster. Can we use this kit on motorcycles too?
On initial pumping there is air in the line from the pump to the reservoir. Where does that air go? How do you prevent it from being forced into the system under pressure? Thanks
My question exactly. There is also air on top of the fluid in the master cylinder reservoir/under the cap. If you watch the end of the video, just after he's done bleeding the system, and before he de-pressurizes the bottle, there's a big ol' air bubble sitting in the hose. I believe this air bubble literally stays on top of the fluid the entire time, and just like magic, doesn't get forced through any of the brake plumbing. Somehow the brake fluid flows and the air bubble always stays on top. This could be because that brake lines are such a small diameter, and you're only cracking open the bleeder valves and not allowing such a huge flow to allow the air to "gulp" through the system? I have the same question about engine coolant vacuum fill systems. Yet I use them, and they work too. Neither systems have any method to purge air before filling.
This is a physics question and has to do with fluid dynamics, static pressure, and the characteristics of air vs liquid. To keep it simple, as long as there is liquid in the reservoir, the air in the reservoir (or that you introduce via pressurizing) will not overcome the resistance of the liquid below it given a closed system. Air and liquid (esp brake fluid) are not inherently miscible, without strong outside force or chemical reaction. Remember - there is always *some* air in your reservoir anyway, even after you top off and close the cap, and it doesn't enter the line either. When you open the bleeder valve, you are easing the pressure only slightly, allowing the air to "push" the liquid through the system. We are talking about nominal static pressure here, 15-30 psi tops, which will not displace the liquid. It's the same theory that power bleeding systems operate under, so the Motiv system isn't doing anything novel here.
Speed Bleeders are a good alternative. But, it's hard to determine what size and type of bleeder screws you can use. Information on applications can be hard to find.
So how did you confirm the air in the pressure bottle and tube was removed before you started bleeding…when you first filled the bottle with new brake fluid? Apologies if you already answered this question.
Mike. I just watched the video. If i replace a master cylinder on a 2005 ml 350 will this pressure bleeder work to bleed the new master cylinder without bench bleeding it ?
Soon I wil use this principle, I only have one question about the abs. My car is from 2009(skoda), I don't have an obd2 device. But I read online that you can pull the abs-fuse before you start and replace it when done. Is this an accurate way of doing it? Or would you recommend leaving the fuse in place? I have seen a few videos already and often nobody mentions what to do with abs. Thanks for your input!
15psi should do 1 caliper. You'll know if you need to pump it again based on fluid flow from the bleeder screw. Always good to check the pump after each caliper to make sure psi is still good as well as fluid level in the bottle & master, but that shouldn't be a problem at all given the master is topped off before bleeding/flushing & that there is also plenty of fluid in the bottle. Some people actually leave the bottle dry which I'm thinking of trying which means you are disconnecting the bottle after each caliper & topping off the master each time.
Do you need to take any fluid out of the master cylinder before hooking it up? Once hooked up and pressurized it pushes the fluid through the brake lines while keeping the master cylinder filled correct? No need to keep checking level in the cyclider, correct?
There is no need to remove any fluid; the tool takes care of everything for you. The only time we would suggest suctioning out the fluid from the reservoir is if it is extremely contaminated; there is no sense in pushing that through the system.
Thank you for this video. I have few questions. I have Mercedes with SBC system (SBC stands for Sensotronic Brake Control and it's an electro-hydraulic brake system). It requires a bleeder to maintain pressure between 2 bar and 2.5 bar (that is 29 psi and 36 psi). Please tell me if you have any tools that can do it? Also what if I build the pressure up to 30 psi using this Motive bleeder? Will it hold such pressure or not? Thanks.
Someone please explain the physics of how the air between the fluid in the bottle and the fluid in the reservoir before pressurisation does not get pushed into the brake system?
Not sure because Harley's have that 2 screw top on the master cylinder reservoir for the front brakes. They have an adapter plate for your classic rectangle car reservoir but I did not see the underside. If its just a big rubbery gasket with one hole through the middle of it to pressurize the system then you can probably use it on your harley's front brakes. Amazon search motive products 1115 adapter because i think youtube removes links.
I have an issue with my daughters car. I replaced the rear right and left calipers, but in the interim of exchanging cores at the parts store, I lost a lot of fluid. Now as we're attempting to bleed the system, it either has a ton of air in the lines or something else has gone wrong. It doesn't seem to be gaining stiffness in the brake pedal as we move along from caliper to caliper. Do you think this system would be a good fit to resolve this situation? It's a 2014 Ford Escape.
Why didn’t you add fluid to the reservoir along with the motive pressure bleeder? You just added fluid to the motive pump. I would assume you’re pumping air first before the fluid even gets introduced to the reservoir by pumping the pressure in it right?
It will, as it is pressurizing the entire system. Some vehicles have an ABS bleed function which can be accessed via a scan tool as well to help even further.
It is always a good idea to do that, if you don't want to waste new fluid. Just make sure the pressure bleeder is not pushing air up the tube before you start the bleed, as sometimes happens.
Would you guys recommend this when trying to bleed brakes after master cylinder was completely drained? I replaced my 2 front calipers and drained all the brake fluid from the system. The car sat for a year with no brake fluid and now that it has all the calipers and lines connected, I tried bleeding the system, but it still feels spongy and the brake pedal goes to the floor after what I thought was a successful bleeding job. Would appreciate some advice.
This is likely because you still have air hidden in the system . Did you Bench Bleed the Master Cylinder? need to Bench Bleed the Master Cylinder when it runs dry. Its NOT hard at all. And actually simple. I did my first one today and i had alot of air bubbles trapped in the Master C.
i use this allways dry. first i top cars reservoir and attach the tool. air wont get the brake system if cars reservoir has fluid. it wont matter if tool reservoir is empty cause that air wont go bottom of cars reservoir where fluid goes to brake system.
Are you saying that as you’re bleeding at each caliper (while maintaining the pressure in the bottle), you keep topping off the reservoir? That seems very inefficient unless the system is already very clean (meaning you would not need to bleed out much fluid at each caliper). I don’t see any advantage to your method, only disadvantages.
@@mabco888 i top it to full before i attach the tool. ammount witch reservoir hold is enough for bleeding all four korners. after bleedin remowe tool and top reservoir.
On an e92 m3….do you have to recalibrate or cycle the ABS system before driving? I’ve installed a Stoptech st40R trophy 4 piston BBK upfront and OEM rear. Front and rear have braided lines and race pads. Pedal is to squishy and long travel to my liking. I bled the system again, some more air came out.. pedal became firmer but not enough to my liking. What do we think it can be? Thank you
Nicholas, you may have to check your scan tool of choice to see if there is an option to perform a brake bleed procedure. Typically the ABS units will need to be bled if the system was run empty.
Great video. One question, is there a benefit of sucking old fluid out of the reservoir and filling up with fresh fluid prior to the bleeder procedure? Thanks!
Please help!! I just got mine and it’s not holding pressure. A hish sound coming from the top on the pump where you twist to seal it like it’s leaking and it’s brand new. Any suggestions??
Hi, no need to do so, the tool will push all the old fluid out and through the lines. If the fluid is very bad, you can extract it and then run the bleeder.
Like the OP said...if the fluid has been in the car a long time, would be good to syphon some out of the reservoir rather then push it thru the system.
How do you know when you’ve bled each caliper enough? Especially if the fluid is the same color. Can’t seem to find that answer or how much fluid should we expect in each caliper.
Whenever I’ve done this, it’s always been easy to see the transition between the old fluid (amber or brown color) and the new stuff (clean looking and transparent). I guess it may be different if you’re working on a track car or something like that where the brake fluid is changed frequently, but for a normal car with fluid that’s probably a few years old, you shouldn’t have a problem.
What comes out must go in, if you end up purging a pint through the system then you do. The important thing is to do it enough that no further air bubbles exist any where in the system - it is best to get things gravity bleeding first before applying pressure, open bleeder into receptacle and keep master cylinder topped up and allow the liquid to begin flowing on it’s own.
Thanks for a great video detailing a brake fluid flush. Glad you included the tidbits and pitfalls to avoid. Outstanding!
Thank you for watching!
I went to highschool at the same time as mike....I remember him rolling around in a lowered purple e36 lol
I worked at the gay bar with him as dancers. 🎉
@@ttt69420gay car people? Now that's a fucking party
He looks like a lowered purple car type
@@ttt69420I bet all the (good people) were there !
😂
These really are awesome to have. We have multiple cars so I bought the 'quick connects' and redid the hose ends. (Kinda like Air Tool Couplers) helps the hose from twisting up. Motive has cool bits to make the jobs sooo easy. Denatured Alcohol to clean things up when finished.
Does motiv sell the quick connects? Hate having the thing twist up
@@TheBaccaClench Yes, under 'Replacement Parts and Accessories'
Do they come with a wide variety of attachments? Most of the ones I've seen are specifically for European cars for some reason
Many of the new Audi's service manual call for approx. 30psi to bleed the brakes. This forces the ABS system valves open otherwise you get no flow to all of the calipers. You can do it with the Motive, you just have to pump it up until the needle goes past the 20psi mark. Even though the manual says 2 Bar (29+ psi), many say a little past 20 psi will work. I had a very slow flow from the rear Calipers on a '14 RS5 at just over 20psi.
Appreciate the tip. On many modern cars you can also see good results with using VCDS or another scan tool to run an ABS bleed, which runs the pumps and clears the valves of old fluid/air.
Finally bought a schwaben bleeder been doing it old school for 20 years I found with 20 psi on my 2015 A3 the fluid came out of the rear bleeder at the smallest slow stream barely visible. Called the ecs tuning about it (sorry fcp) and they had had a bad batch of bleeder supposedly getting new one. But I feel they say 20psi for liability reasons when you use shop air it's typically higher than 29psi.
Is that relevant to 2011 a4?
Excellent video, have had this tool for over 12 years and I have always chosen the longer “method” meaning , because have had six different vehicles simultaneously and use different brake fluids I have chosen to never put brake fluid in the Motive tank, therefore I just simply pump the tank to 15 lbs. and start the bleeding process as you methodically explained, I just simply make sure the brake master cylinder does not get too low and keep topping the master cylinder with new fresh brake fluid of whichever type for a particular car that I’m working with.
Obviously this is more time consuming but I do it this way in order not to have to clean the Motive tank when switching to a different brake fluid, flame away but it has worked for me and I don’t mind the extra work and time involved, I guess there is more than one way to skin a cat .
Again very informative video and I love the Motive tool, thank you for this wonderful informative video
Love mine. I use it dry when I rotate tires - simple enough to do and top off in between jacking up each corner.
PERFECT TOOLS for an easy job. Your VIDEOS are the best and all YOUR TIPS are awesome. Thanks Michael. Love watching all your Tutorials. WIll pick up a set
Thank you, very detailed. I will get a pressure system instead of a vacuum system. Shade tree mechanic here, laying on the grass, no lift for the vehicle. 😁
Nice job explaining how this works, much appreciated!
As I learned today, the little rubber gasket seal these Motive bleaders come with...is important, lol. Mine came with two, a smaller/thicker rubber gasket, and a larger/thinner one. Not knowing the difference I used the smaller of the two. It fit fine on the brake reservoir, and was holding pressure up until about 10psi, which is when it blew right off the top - spraying fluid everywhere. So yeah, if you're about to do this job and you're watching this video like I did....make sure you use the right gasket. Great video btw! Other than my own stupidity, the directions are spot on!
If a vehicle is equipped with antilock brakes, the order of bleeding is furthest from the ABS block. Otherwise, yes, furthest from the MBC. My ABS block is on the passenger side. So, I go _LR - RR - LF - RF_
I installed a quick connect fittings in the line from the tank to the cap, makes installing easier as the tubing does not get twisted. Have been using this bleeder system for over 10 years.
This tool seems to work well on ABS and non-ABS. GREAT video hope to buy pressure bleeder. Thanks
These are nice tools. I needed one 'right now' so I made my own with a 1/2 gallon bug sprayer, it already had a 1/4" hose, cut off the sprayer, added some quick connect and hose fittings and there you have it. The sprayers are thick enough to drill and tap for a gauge but I put mine inline with the hose. I machined an aluminum cap for use on BMWs. I'll admit that finding caps to use is difficult so buying a unit like this with one or multiple caps for different vehicles is a big plus and definitely worth it. Also, I refill the master by hand and don't put fluid in the pressure tank. I wouldn't put the fluid back in the bottle and I don't, or won't, use fluid that's been in the tank for more than a couple hours so saving the cleanup is worth it.
I did something for my power steering system, drilled a hole in a factory cap then stuck a quick connect on to it... voila. Doing stuff is fun right?
i use it same way and same reason. adding fluid only master and tool container only air. working well that way.
@@Jakedelus
How does that work, no air is introduced into the system that way? So for one caliper for instance you pressurize the system at pump(dry) and then bleed out the fluid until nothing is coming through the hose at that one bleeder then depressurize and disconnect the fitting at the master cylinder and fill it back up to the max line. Then repeat that process for every other caliper? Just trying to make sure I'm understanding correctly...
@@jeffherrington air wont go from reservoir to brake lines as long you have fluid in reservoir. No matter if you have fluid in bleeder tool container or not. And yes just like you say= pressurise the system with tool and go thru all brakes,disconnect tool and finaly top the reservoir to upper level.
@@Jakedelus Oh alright, good deal and thanks for the response to confirm 👍
Amazing video. Clean lighting. Steady camera work. Very professional!
I am starting to notice that factory service manuals for modern cars require a second person to pump the brake pedal WHILE the power/ pressure bleeder is connected and the bleeder nipple open, In other words the classic pump and hold method is added on the regular pressure bleeding process
which is confusing, I always thought that pressure bleeding does not require any movement from the master cylinder, and that two person pump and hold sequence is only for the classic manual bleeding process, but factory service manuals are very specific about it , what's your thoughts on this?
2012 Volvo S80 T6. Swapped the front brakes to the XC60 dual piston calipers with the 336mm rotors. Bleeding the whole system just in time for some vacation trips 🎉
This is a really cool tool and great video my good people 👍🏼
Thanks bro you are awesome. I am doing my 2020 WRX tomorrow morning. You helped me out tremendously, and I appreciate it😎👊🤘
Great video, I was cheap so I went ahead and bought the "smotive" version of this device. I am actually really impressed with how feature rich it is however. There was a slight leak when I put it to 10psi ( could hear it but the psi did not decline rapidly). I adjusted the cap a bit and it seems to have gone away.. wondering if the threads on my reservoir are worn.
Can you attach this to any vehicle..and what a great straight to the piont video..thank you
10/10 video, just in time for my brake flush
Two things I learned using this this weekend is be careful to make sure the gasket doesn’t get pinched; you won’t know until brake fluid starts spilling all over the floor. Also if you own a mk7 GTI or similar put the cap somewhere where you won’t bump it, or you may spend 2 hours searching your engine bay for the f*cking thing. Learned both of these this weekend! 😂
How many n the world would the gasket get pinched? You mean by tightening the motive cap too tight in your reservoir?
@@AlexisRodriguez-yv6sf maybe pinched is the wrong word, but it definitely got out of place. I did snug it down quite a bit since the service manual for my car recommends bleeding at 29 psi, but just hand tighten
Thank you for this helpful video, I have a question, different cars have different brake fluid reservoir caps, how does the Motive Power Bleeder can fit to these different cap threads, sizes? I would appreciate an answer
Hi Mike, Just came across your FANTASTIC DETAILED VIDEO. This has to be the best informative video of all the others that I have seen. One question, how do you thourelly clean the motive if you are to use a different brake fluid on a different vehicle? You're input would be appreciated by all who use these tools. Cheers Vic.
Excellent video
Do you need to prime the line from the pump to the reservoir? Where does all the air from the line go when the system pulls the fluid from the large bottle? Cheers
The first time I bleed brakes on my Truck, this motive bleeder worked perfectly. The Second Time I had a problem. I had filled the Motive Pump bottle 1/2 full of brake fluid, pumped the pressure up to 15 psi, and then began to bleed the brakes one wheel at a time, making sure I pumped up the pressure to 15 psi after each wheel. When I got done with the 4th Wheel, my Motive Bleeder was still half full of brake Fluid, but I didn't have any fluid in my brake fluid reservoir on my master cylinder. For some reason the motive bleeder wasn't keeping my brake fluid reservoir full as I bleed the brakes. Now I have to do it all over again.
Down at the wheel, ensure the bleed hose is pointed upward before looping down into the catch can...That way theres no chance of air pockets returning back in the system if your pressure drops too low.
Is always good to do a final bleed via the foot pedal...One benefit of this pressure system is it avoids eager foot travel on poorly serviced Vehicles.
Excellent point Peter!
Honest question - why the final bleed using the classic method?
@@shize9ine The seals within the master cylinder often collect sediment on the edges. The vacuum effect doesn't suck the fluid from all the crevasses in the sealed area but from the least resistance journey from the reservoir.
Doing a final foot pump and holding down, while the bleed nipple is closed, ensures any old fluid surrounding the seals is flushed out of the cylinder where it can cause surface damage to the seals., and pushes the entire volume of fluid, rather than vacuum flow.
Hence my comment regarding the "eager foot travel"... Cylinder bore's surface collects the sediment in the area where the travel area while pressurized does not reach...Using the foot pump method, one should not push the pedal further down than when the brake system is pressurized to avoid damaging the seals due to excessive travel in the cylinder... Tried to explain it in two or three examples... hope this helps.
@@peterlattimore6013 wish this was posted just two days ago instead of now. Flushed my brake system two days ago; when I got the car back on leveled ground, did the good ol’ method to pump the brake pedal before starting the car. May have pressed it too hard and too far, my brake pedal is now squeaking and potentially have damaged the master cylinder 😢
Welp, on the bright side, everyone’s gotta learn from their own mistakes!
@@louislaw8655 Spray some lithium grease up n under the pivot shaft of the pedal assembly... Never heard of noise being emitted from a leaky master cylinder... You may have just disturbed the surface of the shaft where it rotates... Can't give you any more confidence, I'm afraid...Good luck...
Did you install a one-way valve on the catch bottle? It looks like there was something in line with the hoses. If yes, do you have one you recommend?
Excellent video instructions!!!
nice tutorial looking very easy to bleed in that style great
I have an 07 toyota tundra and am wanting to know if the adapter that comes with this is efficient for the job. I’m reading info that the adapter(s) that come with this kit are very good.
Excellent how to vid 😎👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Question. Do you have to extract the old fluid out of the brake fluid reservoir and fill with fresh before using this tool? Can this be used on Asian cars as well.. I have to kia/hyundia brand cars.
Bleeding from the furthest is true on older vehicles but newer are different, he’s right, check the repair manual first.
Great video. Unfortunatley, I could never get a tight seal around the brake fluid reservoir. Made a mess everytime I tried, no matter what. Ended up throwing the product in the trash :(
Did you first empty out the master cylinder? Or did you move all of that old brake fluid along with the new brake fluid through your first bleeder valve?
I believe they moved the old oil through to avoid any air getting into the lines.
what about the air thats stuck iin the motive bleeder tube before you pump it up? Will that air go thru the reservoir and into the lines?
@edgark9814: Good qustion, you may be able to get rid of it by running some fluid into a catch bottle before attaching the tool to the brake fluid reservoir, or alternatively leave the hose end slightly above the reservoir until you see fluid coming out.
No. It is just caught in the reservoir.
The air should stay at the empty section of the reservoir.
I had the same question.
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This was avery good video. Thank you
Thank you for watching!
Doesn’t the leftover fluid in the hose spill when when you’re done and disconnect it from the master cylinder cap?
Always good to empty the reservoir and fill it with clean brake fluid before you attach the Power Bleeder. Much quicker than pushing all the old/dirty fluid through the system.
Great tip!
Wow, thanks for this video! I got my early American rectangular power bleeder kit 0105 last year. However, it looks like I did not use it correctly. I did not know the fluid goes into the pump kit! So it appears I did a bunch of back-and-forth running back-and-forth constantly filling up the fluid reservoir (after unchaining the cap) and having to put more air pressure back into the pump kit!
Now I actually look forward to using this kit on my other vehicles. And of course it should go a whole lot faster.
Can we use this kit on motorcycles too?
On initial pumping there is air in the line from the pump to the reservoir. Where does that air go? How do you prevent it from being forced into the system under pressure?
Thanks
Dang good question!
My question exactly. There is also air on top of the fluid in the master cylinder reservoir/under the cap. If you watch the end of the video, just after he's done bleeding the system, and before he de-pressurizes the bottle, there's a big ol' air bubble sitting in the hose. I believe this air bubble literally stays on top of the fluid the entire time, and just like magic, doesn't get forced through any of the brake plumbing. Somehow the brake fluid flows and the air bubble always stays on top. This could be because that brake lines are such a small diameter, and you're only cracking open the bleeder valves and not allowing such a huge flow to allow the air to "gulp" through the system?
I have the same question about engine coolant vacuum fill systems. Yet I use them, and they work too. Neither systems have any method to purge air before filling.
This is a physics question and has to do with fluid dynamics, static pressure, and the characteristics of air vs liquid. To keep it simple, as long as there is liquid in the reservoir, the air in the reservoir (or that you introduce via pressurizing) will not overcome the resistance of the liquid below it given a closed system. Air and liquid (esp brake fluid) are not inherently miscible, without strong outside force or chemical reaction. Remember - there is always *some* air in your reservoir anyway, even after you top off and close the cap, and it doesn't enter the line either. When you open the bleeder valve, you are easing the pressure only slightly, allowing the air to "push" the liquid through the system. We are talking about nominal static pressure here, 15-30 psi tops, which will not displace the liquid. It's the same theory that power bleeding systems operate under, so the Motiv system isn't doing anything novel here.
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"My good people" - I like that.
Speed Bleeders are a good alternative. But, it's hard to determine what size and type of bleeder screws you can use. Information on applications can be hard to find.
When using this tool to bleed the clutch slave, do you need to pump the clutch pedal at any time during the process, or after the process?
You can pump it while the system is pressurized, but there is no real need to do so.
Great video!
Thanks! Huge help.
So how did you confirm the air in the pressure bottle and tube was removed before you started bleeding…when you first filled the bottle with new brake fluid? Apologies if you already answered this question.
When you pump pressure forcing fluid over into the master cyl what happened to the air that was in the hose and master cyl ?
Any air in the system will be pushed out via the brake lines and can be seen when cracking open the bleeder valve on the caliper.
Mike. I just watched the video. If i replace a master cylinder on a 2005 ml 350 will this pressure bleeder work to bleed the new master cylinder without bench bleeding it ?
Soon I wil use this principle, I only have one question about the abs. My car is from 2009(skoda), I don't have an obd2 device. But I read online that you can pull the abs-fuse before you start and replace it when done. Is this an accurate way of doing it? Or would you recommend leaving the fuse in place? I have seen a few videos already and often nobody mentions what to do with abs. Thanks for your input!
So you stand at the master while it's bleeding each wheel and pump as needed? Or does 15 lbs of pressure do one caliper or lines worth of bleeding?
15psi should do 1 caliper. You'll know if you need to pump it again based on fluid flow from the bleeder screw.
Always good to check the pump after each caliper to make sure psi is still good as well as fluid level in the bottle & master, but that shouldn't be a problem at all given the master is topped off before bleeding/flushing & that there is also plenty of fluid in the bottle.
Some people actually leave the bottle dry which I'm thinking of trying which means you are disconnecting the bottle after each caliper & topping off the master each time.
how do you clean the motive equipment after brake service?
Do you have to refill the master cylinder with brake fluid doing bleeding
You always want to be sure to have fluid in the reservoir while bleeding your brake hydraulics.
Can I bleed my E63 this way since I don't have a scanner to engage the SBC bleed system?
Im pretty sure you can use these on hydraulic clutch systems too, i need to do both brake and clutch to my car
great video thanks
Great post
Thank you for watching!
Hi Mike, is it OK if the pump is partially submerged in brake fluid.
Can you use this instead.of bench bleeding a mastercylinder?
Do you need to take any fluid out of the master cylinder before hooking it up? Once hooked up and pressurized it pushes the fluid through the brake lines while keeping the master cylinder filled correct? No need to keep checking level in the cyclider, correct?
There is no need to remove any fluid; the tool takes care of everything for you. The only time we would suggest suctioning out the fluid from the reservoir is if it is extremely contaminated; there is no sense in pushing that through the system.
Good show, I want one!
Such a great tool! Makes bleeding brakes a painless process
Thank you for this video. I have few questions. I have Mercedes with SBC system (SBC stands for Sensotronic Brake Control and it's an electro-hydraulic brake system). It requires a bleeder to maintain pressure between 2 bar and 2.5 bar (that is 29 psi and 36 psi). Please tell me if you have any tools that can do it? Also what if I build the pressure up to 30 psi using this Motive bleeder? Will it hold such pressure or not? Thanks.
Someone please explain the physics of how the air between the fluid in the bottle and the fluid in the reservoir before pressurisation does not get pushed into the brake system?
You cannot ccompress a liquid (brake fluid) but you can compress a gas (air)
Is there different types of adapters for the revisor?
This is a very good idea but I would like to use it on my Harley’s Brake system.
Not sure because Harley's have that 2 screw top on the master cylinder reservoir for the front brakes. They have an adapter plate for your classic rectangle car reservoir but I did not see the underside. If its just a big rubbery gasket with one hole through the middle of it to pressurize the system then you can probably use it on your harley's front brakes. Amazon search motive products 1115 adapter because i think youtube removes links.
@@shize9ine thank you.
Most have a chain style that wraps around it then clamps down.
Just received my new motive brake bleeder, my brake bleeder cap is two sizes too large for my master cylinder. Any ideas.
Great vid! Do they sell the anodized cap in case you want to upgrade your standard Motiv bleeder?
I have an issue with my daughters car. I replaced the rear right and left calipers, but in the interim of exchanging cores at the parts store, I lost a lot of fluid. Now as we're attempting to bleed the system, it either has a ton of air in the lines or something else has gone wrong. It doesn't seem to be gaining stiffness in the brake pedal as we move along from caliper to caliper. Do you think this system would be a good fit to resolve this situation? It's a 2014 Ford Escape.
Thank you.
Thanks for sharing, are there any spesific name of that bottle bleeder sir?
Was the fluid from the pressure bottle line to the master cylinder cap completely full of fluid? Or were there gaps of fluid in that hose?
That line will never be completely "full" of fluid; they always have gaps in them, so totally normal if that is what you are seeing!
Why didn’t you add fluid to the reservoir along with the motive pressure bleeder? You just added fluid to the motive pump. I would assume you’re pumping air first before the fluid even gets introduced to the reservoir by pumping the pressure in it right?
You can certainly top off the reserve if you'd like first, but it's not mandatory!
Where do I get one that works on 3rd gen 4runner? The master cylinder has a snap on cap.
Will this process remove any trapped air in master cylinder or abs line too?
It will, as it is pressurizing the entire system. Some vehicles have an ABS bleed function which can be accessed via a scan tool as well to help even further.
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Does this removes air too, assuming yes but he didn't mention that on this video....?
Do you need to empty the reservoir before attaching the bleeder?
It is always a good idea to do that, if you don't want to waste new fluid. Just make sure the pressure bleeder is not pushing air up the tube before you start the bleed, as sometimes happens.
Would you guys recommend this when trying to bleed brakes after master cylinder was completely drained? I replaced my 2 front calipers and drained all the brake fluid from the system. The car sat for a year with no brake fluid and now that it has all the calipers and lines connected, I tried bleeding the system, but it still feels spongy and the brake pedal goes to the floor after what I thought was a successful bleeding job. Would appreciate some advice.
100%. Depending on the type of vehicle you have, you may need to actuate the ABS pump to get any air out of that as well.
This is likely because you still have air hidden in the system . Did you Bench Bleed the Master Cylinder? need to Bench Bleed the Master Cylinder when it runs dry. Its NOT hard at all. And actually simple. I did my first one today and i had alot of air bubbles trapped in the Master C.
Will this work on a 3rd gen 4Runner, I noticed on the website European cars are the only option
i use this allways dry. first i top cars reservoir and attach the tool. air wont get the brake system if cars reservoir has fluid. it wont matter if tool reservoir is empty cause that air wont go bottom of cars reservoir where fluid goes to brake system.
Are you saying that as you’re bleeding at each caliper (while maintaining the pressure in the bottle), you keep topping off the reservoir? That seems very inefficient unless the system is already very clean (meaning you would not need to bleed out much fluid at each caliper). I don’t see any advantage to your method, only disadvantages.
@@mabco888 i top it to full before i attach the tool. ammount witch reservoir hold is enough for bleeding all four korners. after bleedin remowe tool and top reservoir.
How do I find the right master cylinder cap adapter for jeep kl 2015 or how do I know the generic one will work
On an e92 m3….do you have to recalibrate or cycle the ABS system before driving? I’ve installed a Stoptech st40R trophy 4 piston BBK upfront and OEM rear. Front and rear have braided lines and race pads. Pedal is to squishy and long travel to my liking. I bled the system again, some more air came out.. pedal became firmer but not enough to my liking. What do we think it can be? Thank you
Nicholas, you may have to check your scan tool of choice to see if there is an option to perform a brake bleed procedure. Typically the ABS units will need to be bled if the system was run empty.
Im assumimg same thing but for the clutch. I believe i got air that cant get out.
Great video. One question, is there a benefit of sucking old fluid out of the reservoir and filling up with fresh fluid prior to the bleeder procedure? Thanks!
The benefit is that you are pushing mostly clean new fluid through the system instead of the old stuff.
Thanks!
thank you.
is it the same cap for all brake reservoirs ? i'e all brands of cars?
Please help!! I just got mine and it’s not holding pressure. A hish sound coming from the top on the pump where you twist to seal it like it’s leaking and it’s brand new. Any suggestions??
Your catch bottle has a metal cylinder in line with the tubing, what is that, cause I don't see it on the ones for sale?
He installed that so he can shut the line off. It’s a check valve.
Awesome Tech Tip.. Thank You, Mike!!
Thank you for watching!
Should we empty the reservoir first and pull the old liquid out?
Hi, no need to do so, the tool will push all the old fluid out and through the lines. If the fluid is very bad, you can extract it and then run the bleeder.
Like the OP said...if the fluid has been in the car a long time, would be good to syphon some out of the reservoir rather then push it thru the system.
Is majority of car brakes 15 psi preasure ive 04 audi tt cheers
And what about ABS module?. How bleed air in it with scanner?.
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Have the bleeder. What’s the part number for the red cap on a 18 c63S?
How do you know when you’ve bled each caliper enough? Especially if the fluid is the same color. Can’t seem to find that answer or how much fluid should we expect in each caliper.
Whenever I’ve done this, it’s always been easy to see the transition between the old fluid (amber or brown color) and the new stuff (clean looking and transparent). I guess it may be different if you’re working on a track car or something like that where the brake fluid is changed frequently, but for a normal car with fluid that’s probably a few years old, you shouldn’t have a problem.
What comes out must go in, if you end up purging a pint through the system then you do. The important thing is to do it enough that no further air bubbles exist any where in the system - it is best to get things gravity bleeding first before applying pressure, open bleeder into receptacle and keep master cylinder topped up and allow the liquid to begin flowing on it’s own.