Great video. If you want an absolute TDC measurement I reccomend using the piston stop method and a degree wheel. Rotate till you hit the stop, roll it the other way hit the stop and split the difference in half. The dwell at TDC means you can easily have a few degrees of dead spot. All that said in my own video I use this method as well because I am lazy.
What good would that do when the spec is in mm? If it were in degrees from TDC, I get it. You'd want to know true TDC. It will be the same distance in mm from TDC if you're anywhere in that range where the piston dwells for a few degrees. It actually surprised me at first when I got into this and realized the margin for error. Just seems like they'd let you setup a degree wheel and tell you it's x degrees BTDC. Could run a calculator, but apparently they (and as I understand it) most other racing iggy manufacturers just tell you distance specs.
You could I guess in theory do the piston stop method, fix the crank, exchange the piston stop for a dial gauge, zero it and then set your mm.. I'm already tired writing that. Because the dwell still relates to crank degrees. So your tdc is not the "true" tdc. But for all intent it's probably close enough.
@@pitobread I was actually making another video in the garage just hours ago about finding true TDC with a dial indicator and checking that against a piston stop and just zeroing a dial indicator. What I can tell you from that, is that it's still the same distance from TDC with it zeroed with the indicator or using true TDC, because one is a measurement of distance from the top of the piston's travel and the other is the amount of degrees of crankshaft rotation from true TDC.
@@49ccscoot Like i said it's barely worth the effort, but it can be in some cases! It's going to depend on your rod stroke ratio. short stroke long rod motors could add up! Here is a neat calculator that can help with numbers to show exactly what I am describing. www.torqsoft.net/piston-position.html If you put in 44mm stroke, 80 mm rod, .35 angle and set it on piston position. Calculate it then change your rod length to 105. One has your piston juuuuust starting to move and the other one hasn't started yet. You can also use this to tell you exactly how much dwell you have at TDC. Remember it will be x2 whatever the angle is. This is what I mean by true TDC.. in the end it doesn't really matter, if you math it out and round it relates to about a degree of error. Not enough to worry about. Just figured I would mention it before someone tells you your piston is in backwards. ;)
Well done Brent! Best, most detailed and longest MVT Iggy install and setup video out there. Wish that video was around one year ago. Could have saved me a lot head aches. You do remember my Jog LC Roost build? Anywas, it was good to see you again. You look fine and healthy. Hope that beast is gonna brake some records.
Lookin at aliexpress,and the smaller idle jets I promote are for Mikuni carb. "often used for arctic Cat,Polaris,Ski-doo twins and Yamaha Viper 2 strokes".Its for snow mobiles stationed on south-pole.So the jets are for asian jungle and deserts.That is why you have 123 mm nozzles.( ;
Thats what i meant when i told you before that they should sponsor you and they should send the parts for you to test it and you as person that you are should give your honest opinion about the part's
Hi dude I hope you read this and get back to me 👍🏻 I really need to know if the taper on the Yamaha crankshaft is the same as the Chinese crankshaft?? I need to know this as I own a CPI mvt ignition but my new cylinder requires a 85mm rod which I can only find for the Yamaha. I hope and pray that the taper is the same or I may have to buy another mvt ignition 😒
The taper on the typical Yamaha crank is the same as some clone cranks. The clones have large and small taper versions. Large taper is very common on the CPI 1E40QMB. It's supposed to be pre 2003-2004 they would be small taper and post would be large. If you have the 12mm crank pin and larger splined section on the CVT side, then it's pretty safe to assume you have large taper.
@@tamer27antepli I believe it is MVT DD23 for the larger cranks. If you go on ScooterTuning and look under CPI 50 and then ignition you should see some ignitions for larger cranks.
@@tamer27antepli It's not as simple as drilling a hole. You would need someone to bore it to the proper taper for your crank. Unless you can do it or have a friend with a lathe that owes you a favor, it would at least make sense to see if you can get a price on the rotor for the 16mm crank and perhaps make sure they can interchange (no difference in the stator).
Thanks for the information, who would you recommend for my build? I would like to buy a mini stroker and maybe a set of gears. I currently have a polini cast bore 70cc, Keli pulley and ramp ready to go in. I would also like to put in and over range rear pulley and probably a longer belt. I have watched all your videos and any advise is much appreciated! Mahalo!
I'm guessing you're in HI from the greeting. I don't really know the scene out there, but I'm certain there are some good shops and capable tuners around. If you wanted to register on the forum, you could ask and maybe one of the HI locals could point you in a better direction than I could. We have at least a few very active members out there.
@@49ccscoot Hi i would ask is that true that too heavy flywheel can broke crankshaft i have 80cc xtreme and stock flywheel so is there big risk that my crank can broke
@@cuongvo2205 I'm sure it's possible. What I've seen from a forum member that tried to use a stock flywheel on a Big Evo was that he kept breaking flywheels. It would make the rivets come out of it. I've had a failure where I think a bearing went first and it bent the crank and broke the ramp plate on the variator. At high RPM, a lot is possible. Regardless, high rev setups are much better with inner rotor ignitions. Aside from the difference in mass, they generally have a much better timing curve than standard CDIs or a lot of aftermarket CDIs.
Hi Mr Scoot.I have a question,yesterday I have buy mvt ignition,but witchout manual,and I don't know how to connect wires,where I can find model name?On official store website they have manuals only for specyfic models of motorcycles,or they name models by DD/21,19...
If you know what type of engine or bike it’s for you can look that up. It may have a model number on the stator or rotor. Maybe even the model of the CDI could help narrow it down, but they use the same CDI with multiple models.
@@49ccscoot Thanks for fast response=)I have A88R-13-2/27 19 write on my rotor,and A88S5 36/19 write on stator,but if they use the same cdi it's good news for me=D Thanks for help scoot😎✌
Do you know the separation between the rotor and stator of the mvt dd ? and bought a new one and the cone is not correct it does not go in at all and is very separated, 7.60mm from the stator to the rotor I'm sorry for my English, I'm Spanish, I use the google translator
Hey bud I have a mvt millenium iluminage ignition for Yamaha bws my wiring is not the best but I can take apart an engine throw it back together and fix everything but electricity not my thing I was wondering if you know any videos on how to install the mvt Millennium one MVT‐EXT120
What advance should I use for my barikit 80cc with stock stroke 39,1 mm. And I already put it on but there is something weird going on when I kick it the kick wants to fly up again and it’s kinda hard started
If it's a DD06 with the included CDI, then it should be 0.40mm BTDC for the initial setting. Double check that. If it's not the DD06, check the specs for whatever model number you have. If you use an E-PROM CDI with the Digital Direct then they use different specs too. If it kind of kicks back at you, it's probably got a lot of advance... but that seems to be normal with mine.
19:23 even if i have a full circle racing crank stock displacement my spec should be 0.40 btdc? Its weird few people tell me that i set it wrong and they said it should be 0.35btdc
They have models for large and small Minarelli tapers, so it should be OK that way. The MVT shouldn't damage the crank, but if you try to use a stock crank for high revs it may not go well or at least not for very long.
I've only seen the standard style of micrometers. Nothing digital. If you mean a digital dial indicator like the one I'm using, here's a link : amzn.to/46J2mbU I made my adapter in the lathe, but I talked about an easy alternative here : ruclips.net/video/JVZr74Lt0DQ/видео.htmlsi=-ptxUns3vddBaU8f&t=711
On my scooter you have to buy the whole airbox if you want a replacement paper air filter element is that a normal practice for most scooters ? It's a Hyosung. Makes me feel like it's a toy. It's $38 for the air box delivered.
@@giannfa000 Hyosung beaver HY125cc scooter. They only sell the whole airbox I've investigated it from various sources including Hyosung new Zealand.i know i don't need the whole air box. It's not a good sales policy
@@Matowix I see, there's nothing online. But if you want to, you can make a filter cutting a sponge like this: it.aliexpress.com/item/4000348070988.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.3b0774d2HN2qQ0&algo_pvid=7a8cfb1f-4455-4a01-a2e5-3ee160c8fe45&algo_expid=7a8cfb1f-4455-4a01-a2e5-3ee160c8fe45-47&btsid=e18f850c-5068-4618-8956-b0ca1313e4d1&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_7,searchweb201603_55 Try to take your measurements and see if you can make it yourself ;)
As giannfa000 said, there should be an option without replacing the whole box. UNI also makes foam that can be cut as needed. I think they may even offer dual layer more like some scooters have stock.
@@49ccscoot yeah I'll have to use an after market filter element of similar shape or use foam . But Hyosung defiantly only sell the entire air box which kinda sux
@@Kyle_gallegher You may be able to change base timing to get the right timing in the powerband. Not really sure what ignition the ATVs have, but 2T scoots are a basic curve mostly. This is a very aggressive curve with lots of advance till 7,000RPM and then tapering off. It makes it snappy or abrupt getting on the pipe, which won't happen so much with small change curves. It's also very small and light so it makes the response great for that reason as well.
Hy i'm not in agree, for your 86cc with 44mm crankshaft it's needed by Top performance schedule 20° BTDC. With 0,35mm of BTDC you have 1,43°. You can calculate with this formula X°= (180xYm)/ms . Where "Ym" will be the BTDC and "ms" will be motor stroke. For example, with 44 motor stroke, you'll need X°=(180x4.88)/44 X°=(578.4)/44 X°=19.96°. BTDC 1,43° it's not too much anticipate, and the motor can't ignite the gas properly.
TBH, the TPR spec of 20 degrees has never made total sense to me. They don't specify where. Locked out at 20 degrees isn't going to do the best. 20 degrees of base timing could mean all sorts of things with different CDIs. With the MVT as setup here, it has over 40 degrees of timing at low RPM and reaches 20 degrees around 11,000RPM. It continues to pull timing as RPM increases. ruclips.net/video/JuehGGccJhM/видео.html
@@49ccscoot I investigate, and i think on the MVT the line is not the pick up, but the charge to produce electricity, i translate the recommend on the manual of MVT and it'is: "before top dead center if the cylinder is 50cc, if the cylinder is greater than 50cc it must be set at 0.35mm before the top dead center, likewise the lighting must not exceed 55w" , i think to never go up 55w they say for 50cc motor keep it at 0mm, for upper motor keep it at 0,35mm, after the timing of the CDI will do the correct timing of 16° or 20° for the TPR 86cc engine. So my excuse for the precedent message ;)
Not really. I know they're different platforms, but I don't really know much about the Morini engines. Haven't worked on TGB or Hyosung that they're common in.
@@49ccscoot thanks for your reaction. i also have the mvt ignition installed on piaggio engine, The manual was very bad. I tested also with different setting, like 0.35mm, 0.25mm, and ende up to set it 0.50mm for the best result 1 last question: did you manage to connect the cables to charge your battery?
@@peter0139 It charges, but it won't regulate very well at all. I basically turn on more lights to keep voltage down. lol Wiring diagram and info is in the description.
I don't want to take this one all apart to check, but I have a Digital Direct for Piaggio that likely uses the same thing. Give me a few minutes and I'll go check it.
@@49ccscoot do you know of any company/reseller that can sell the whole ignition mounting screws seperate (I.e screws that connect plate to casing,stator to stator plate screws and washers). I’m having trouble finding the screws separately for my digital direct.
@@crbcairo.1633 Contact MVT or see if ScooterTuning can help maybe. Otherwise, with measurements to guide you, you can find most stuff at McMaster-Carr. The M5 bolts and washers are easy enough. The M6x1.0 bolts (not sure on length, but they're so easy to cut down if they're a little large) should be no problem. Honestly, a local hardware store may be all you need.
The process is the same, but specs could vary. I would suggest checking the instructions or contacting MVT to be sure about the timing spec for your engine.
@@champ2572 I made the dial indicator holder, but you can get them from scootertuning.ca in the tools section. They also sell dial indicators and micrometer style setting tools.
Ciao avrei un problema con questa accensione praticamente allo statore passa la corrente soltanto che poi vado a vedere alla bobina e non arriva corrente può essere la centralina? Grazie mille
Most likely the CDI or the stator itself. Possibly a kill circuit issue disabling spark. Some MVT troubleshooting help here : ruclips.net/video/buUEmdHxxXY/видео.html
I spent a few minutes looking around, because I've never used the Piaggio version. I didn't see anything specific to the DD09 that is for Piaggio. Some pics show the same CDI (RJ34-6) that I have. That makes me think you may be OK with the same specs as the DD06 for Minarelli. I don't know that for sure though. You could try contacting MVT or a dealer that sells them if you don't have the original instructions to check.
@@49ccscoot i dont have original instructions and i am hear here that is must be 1,5mm before tdc. Watching your video i see that mine setup is way ofset. I know that selletra goes 2,5mm before tdc.
@@ivannovoselac3518 It will depend on all of the components. For example, the same ignition with the MVT E-Prom instead of the included CDI requires a much different setting.
I don't know anything about the 103, but just from pics I can see that it's a different rotor, looks like maybe a different stator and the CDI has a different number. Probably a different mounting plate. So it's meant to fit that engine's flywheel taper and mounting and possibly has different specs.
Hi, i swap ignition to Mvt and engine starts on reverse! What the fxx? Any one with ideas? I was told I have to much Adv timing, so I use half to what cdi demand and still wean I kick start, engine starts on reverse ...
This seems to be pretty common with the E-Prom from MVT. At least for Minarelli, they want 2.9mm BTDC, as opposed to their standard CDI that's around 0.35-0.45mm BTDC usually. If you've backed the timing off to half of what it was, I would first suggest double checking everything to be sure you haven't got anything off in the process. Even at 2.9mm with the E-Prom, most report intermittent reverse starting. For example, a friend said about once every 5 starts it may start backwards. Seems to be right on the edge if it's setup to spec.
@@49ccscoot yes, it's the one with 3 map option, sometimes wean starts well forward at idle it reverse with out stopping engine also, it's crazy, i guess I must change cdi to normal one
Hi there... Can it be that you forget you're woodruff key? I didn't see you set it back when you install the rotor. Or am I wrong?! Nice video! Greeting Mike
I've always been a fan of degree wheels and timing lights, but after dealing with the racing ignition I will say that this is a very fast way to set up timing. Timing lights on this particular ignition (and many other racing ignitions to my understanding) can be very it or miss.
@Matthew Flindall I made it. That's covered in the video linked. You can get them from scooter parts shops like ScooterTuning. ruclips.net/video/UbxJBgjZu3c/видео.html
When the piston is placed at the desired distance from TDC, the marks should be made to align so you know it's set right. Recheck to be sure nothing moved after the rotor is installed. After that, you can move the slotted stator to change timing as you desire. If you want to put it back to the standard setting, then align the marks again by rotating the stator to it's original position. The marks won't align at the standard setting after you rotate the stator.
I really can’t advise on this since I never touched a gtx and they are not really minarelli engines. Chinese knock offs are so mix match of parts that I don’t know which part would fit and which won’t. I know it’s not the answer you want to hear but honestly in my opinion it’s not worth the time. For me to get into detail of the 101 variables on jog/minarelli engines will be too confusing and since it’s not something I work on I wouldn’t know where to start. My suggestion to all those that message me Chinese clone motors is to leave it stock of it runs. Any modification and you are opening a can of worms money pit. You are more then welcome to try but I can’t really be of help. Sorry Mahalo for the acknowledgement of me knowing minarellis but I have no clue when it comes to the qmb line of motors “Okay bro, I messaged the local expert on minarelli engines and the above was his answer. “
I don't see where they're al that different from the Yamaha Minarelli horizontals, like the Zuma. Yes, there are multiple differences, but most of the engine and CVT stuff generally fits. The Chinese engines do have different sizes of wrist pins, flywheel tapers, and variator splines. When you get to the gearbox, that's different than many Yamahas and there are multiple versions.
Thank you this will be the definitive MVT installation how to guide on you tube or web excited to see pt 2 thank you for dumbing it down!
Great video.
If you want an absolute TDC measurement I reccomend using the piston stop method and a degree wheel. Rotate till you hit the stop, roll it the other way hit the stop and split the difference in half. The dwell at TDC means you can easily have a few degrees of dead spot.
All that said in my own video I use this method as well because I am lazy.
What good would that do when the spec is in mm? If it were in degrees from TDC, I get it. You'd want to know true TDC. It will be the same distance in mm from TDC if you're anywhere in that range where the piston dwells for a few degrees. It actually surprised me at first when I got into this and realized the margin for error. Just seems like they'd let you setup a degree wheel and tell you it's x degrees BTDC. Could run a calculator, but apparently they (and as I understand it) most other racing iggy manufacturers just tell you distance specs.
You could I guess in theory do the piston stop method, fix the crank, exchange the piston stop for a dial gauge, zero it and then set your mm..
I'm already tired writing that.
Because the dwell still relates to crank degrees. So your tdc is not the "true" tdc.
But for all intent it's probably close enough.
@@pitobread I was actually making another video in the garage just hours ago about finding true TDC with a dial indicator and checking that against a piston stop and just zeroing a dial indicator. What I can tell you from that, is that it's still the same distance from TDC with it zeroed with the indicator or using true TDC, because one is a measurement of distance from the top of the piston's travel and the other is the amount of degrees of crankshaft rotation from true TDC.
@@49ccscoot Like i said it's barely worth the effort, but it can be in some cases! It's going to depend on your rod stroke ratio. short stroke long rod motors could add up!
Here is a neat calculator that can help with numbers to show exactly what I am describing. www.torqsoft.net/piston-position.html
If you put in 44mm stroke, 80 mm rod, .35 angle and set it on piston position. Calculate it then change your rod length to 105. One has your piston juuuuust starting to move and the other one hasn't started yet. You can also use this to tell you exactly how much dwell you have at TDC. Remember it will be x2 whatever the angle is.
This is what I mean by true TDC.. in the end it doesn't really matter, if you math it out and round it relates to about a degree of error. Not enough to worry about. Just figured I would mention it before someone tells you your piston is in backwards. ;)
Thats exactly what Turbo Yoda told us!
thanks, this was very helpful, Many folks have no idea of how to set these up properly.
Well done Brent!
Best, most detailed and longest MVT Iggy install and setup video out there.
Wish that video was around one year ago. Could have saved me a lot head aches. You do remember my Jog LC Roost build?
Anywas, it was good to see you again. You look fine and healthy.
Hope that beast is gonna brake some records.
thanks for taking the time to explain. helpful information! just installed mine!
Thanks for the new 4 K resolution very nice tuto for this installation 👍👍
Thank you for this detailed video sir.
Menn thanks you soo much your the only one that make it clear and simple 🔥 keep it up !!
So cool... Great tutorial, so informative. Thanks a bunch for talking the time to make this video and help others out. Really kind of you.
Lookin at aliexpress,and the smaller idle jets I promote are for Mikuni carb. "often used for arctic Cat,Polaris,Ski-doo twins and Yamaha Viper 2 strokes".Its for snow mobiles stationed on south-pole.So the jets are for asian jungle and deserts.That is why you have 123 mm nozzles.( ;
I’ll try contact SSS or scootertuning, tell them why I have and hope stuff fits!!! Thanks for all your input
The stator is slotted to make final adjustments if needed. No need to remove or loosen flywheel again.
cool video and Happy thanksgiving and may your holidays be bright
Happy Thanksgiving!
Thank you I’ve been waiting for this!!!
Thankyou for this video
It’s made my re-wiring scooter jobs 100 times easier
Keep them coming dude ✌️ love from the UK
Thanks for the video!!
Great vid and tutorial as usual. Thanks man.
Thats what i meant when i told you before that they should sponsor you and they should send the parts for you to test it and you as person that you are should give your honest opinion about the part's
New to minarelli, so I’m watching all your videos! Can I use a 1E40QMB for the work that your doing? Like water cool set up and mini stroker?
All of mine are 1E40QMBs.
Very good tutorial !
Tip: when you get the rotor on the crank you can give it some taps with a rubber hammer, works every time.
Thanks for this great video 👍👍
A very interesting movie. For many months I have been looking for graphs generated by MVT DD from EPROM1. Please let me know where I can find them
49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/26257/dd06-ignition-info-timing-graphs
Questa accessione si puo paragonare ad una selettra Malossi?
It's basically the same installation process. Very similar parts.
i really liked this video it was informative
hello, sorry if I ask, but are the assembly instructions for the mvt there? this ignition that you mounted and with the lights or without? Thank you
This model has charging coils and MVT does provide instructions with the kit. They also have some on their website.
Happy Thanksgiving. .
Thanks. Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.
Thanks Nice help fully Video
We need a video of how to wire this inner rotor i need to install mines
I went over wiring at the end of this vid and I made a diagram and linked it in the description.
Great video! Do you have the timing curve chart? Like where in the rpm range it retards at and how much
Very nice montage video Thx ;)
Thanks vid helps a lot
Lol just got to fit one to my 1983 simson Schwalbe KR51/2 will be fun 😄
Sir pleace tutorial CDI DC aplicaion to two stroke....
sir can you make a video on how to wire a yamaha jog next zone.. tnx
thanks informative video, i cant stop laughing over that exhaust tho xD
I found that MVT recommends 0.35mm BTDC, while my cylinder manufacturer recommends 4-4.5mm BTDC.
4mm? try it it will backfire alot more
and engine will stall more
Thanks 👏👏
Any idea if this kit will fit my Chinese minarelli clone?
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Hi dude I hope you read this and get back to me 👍🏻 I really need to know if the taper on the Yamaha crankshaft is the same as the Chinese crankshaft?? I need to know this as I own a CPI mvt ignition but my new cylinder requires a 85mm rod which I can only find for the Yamaha. I hope and pray that the taper is the same or I may have to buy another mvt ignition 😒
The taper on the typical Yamaha crank is the same as some clone cranks. The clones have large and small taper versions. Large taper is very common on the CPI 1E40QMB. It's supposed to be pre 2003-2004 they would be small taper and post would be large. If you have the 12mm crank pin and larger splined section on the CVT side, then it's pretty safe to assume you have large taper.
@@49ccscoot is there anyway to do this? I mean I have large taper but i want inner rotor...
@@tamer27antepli I believe it is MVT DD23 for the larger cranks. If you go on ScooterTuning and look under CPI 50 and then ignition you should see some ignitions for larger cranks.
@@49ccscoot i found a cheap used one for small taper, can't just drill a bigger hole in the rotor?
@@tamer27antepli It's not as simple as drilling a hole. You would need someone to bore it to the proper taper for your crank. Unless you can do it or have a friend with a lathe that owes you a favor, it would at least make sense to see if you can get a price on the rotor for the 16mm crank and perhaps make sure they can interchange (no difference in the stator).
Thanks for the information, who would you recommend for my build? I would like to buy a mini stroker and maybe a set of gears. I currently have a polini cast bore 70cc, Keli pulley and ramp ready to go in. I would also like to put in and over range rear pulley and probably a longer belt. I have watched all your videos and any advise is much appreciated! Mahalo!
I'm guessing you're in HI from the greeting. I don't really know the scene out there, but I'm certain there are some good shops and capable tuners around. If you wanted to register on the forum, you could ask and maybe one of the HI locals could point you in a better direction than I could. We have at least a few very active members out there.
@@49ccscoot Hi i would ask is that true that too heavy flywheel can broke crankshaft i have 80cc xtreme and stock flywheel so is there big risk that my crank can broke
@@cuongvo2205 I'm sure it's possible. What I've seen from a forum member that tried to use a stock flywheel on a Big Evo was that he kept breaking flywheels. It would make the rivets come out of it. I've had a failure where I think a bearing went first and it bent the crank and broke the ramp plate on the variator. At high RPM, a lot is possible. Regardless, high rev setups are much better with inner rotor ignitions. Aside from the difference in mass, they generally have a much better timing curve than standard CDIs or a lot of aftermarket CDIs.
Hi Mr Scoot.I have a question,yesterday I have buy mvt ignition,but witchout manual,and I don't know how to connect wires,where I can find model name?On official store website they have manuals only for specyfic models of motorcycles,or they name models by DD/21,19...
If you know what type of engine or bike it’s for you can look that up. It may have a model number on the stator or rotor. Maybe even the model of the CDI could help narrow it down, but they use the same CDI with multiple models.
@@49ccscoot Thanks for fast response=)I have A88R-13-2/27 19 write on my rotor,and A88S5 36/19 write on stator,but if they use the same cdi it's good news for me=D
Thanks for help scoot😎✌
How much Millimeters before top dead center has MVT-DD06 ? 😁🛵💨
19:14
@@49ccscoot o thanks
Do you know the separation between the rotor and stator of the mvt dd ?
and bought a new one and the cone is not correct
it does not go in at all and is very separated, 7.60mm from the stator to the rotor
I'm sorry for my English, I'm Spanish, I use the google translator
Mine is about that far apart on the Minarelli. When I installed one custom on the RC-One I made it sit closer. Both run just fine.
Hey bud I have a mvt millenium iluminage ignition for Yamaha bws my wiring is not the best but I can take apart an engine throw it back together and fix everything but electricity not my thing I was wondering if you know any videos on how to install the mvt Millennium one MVT‐EXT120
I've never used one. I'm not sure if this will help, but they have instructions on their site : 62.210.47.55/MVT/MONTAGE/BBkAAEcbo1xYTE5XbnlHcUhBAQA
What advance should I use for my barikit 80cc with stock stroke 39,1 mm. And I already put it on but there is something weird going on when I kick it the kick wants to fly up again and it’s kinda hard started
If it's a DD06 with the included CDI, then it should be 0.40mm BTDC for the initial setting. Double check that. If it's not the DD06, check the specs for whatever model number you have. If you use an E-PROM CDI with the Digital Direct then they use different specs too. If it kind of kicks back at you, it's probably got a lot of advance... but that seems to be normal with mine.
19:23 even if i have a full circle racing crank stock displacement my spec should be 0.40 btdc? Its weird few people tell me that i set it wrong and they said it should be 0.35btdc
Full circle or not has no bearing on the ignition timing setting. Set it based on stroke.
Haiii Mr can the mvt digital direct 19 go on my standard crankshaft will it do any harm to my crank it's 10pin
They have models for large and small Minarelli tapers, so it should be OK that way. The MVT shouldn't damage the crank, but if you try to use a stock crank for high revs it may not go well or at least not for very long.
Where can I get an electric micrometer? With the thing that spins into cylinder head
I've only seen the standard style of micrometers. Nothing digital. If you mean a digital dial indicator like the one I'm using, here's a link :
amzn.to/46J2mbU
I made my adapter in the lathe, but I talked about an easy alternative here :
ruclips.net/video/JVZr74Lt0DQ/видео.htmlsi=-ptxUns3vddBaU8f&t=711
On my scooter you have to buy the whole airbox if you want a replacement paper air filter element is that a normal practice for most scooters ? It's a Hyosung. Makes me feel like it's a toy. It's $38 for the air box delivered.
No it's not normal, no scooter need such a thing. Probably neither yours, are you sure? Wich model is it?
@@giannfa000 Hyosung beaver HY125cc scooter. They only sell the whole airbox I've investigated it from various sources including Hyosung new Zealand.i know i don't need the whole air box. It's not a good sales policy
@@Matowix I see, there's nothing online. But if you want to, you can make a filter cutting a sponge like this:
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Try to take your measurements and see if you can make it yourself ;)
As giannfa000 said, there should be an option without replacing the whole box. UNI also makes foam that can be cut as needed. I think they may even offer dual layer more like some scooters have stock.
@@49ccscoot yeah I'll have to use an after market filter element of similar shape or use foam . But Hyosung defiantly only sell the entire air box which kinda sux
Its me again. Will these help me gain more power on my kasea and apex 90s
Anything more than stock
@@Kyle_gallegher You may be able to change base timing to get the right timing in the powerband. Not really sure what ignition the ATVs have, but 2T scoots are a basic curve mostly. This is a very aggressive curve with lots of advance till 7,000RPM and then tapering off. It makes it snappy or abrupt getting on the pipe, which won't happen so much with small change curves. It's also very small and light so it makes the response great for that reason as well.
@@49ccscoot not sure if I want to rewire the old kasea and apex after but maybe!
Hy i'm not in agree, for your 86cc with 44mm crankshaft it's needed by Top performance schedule 20° BTDC. With 0,35mm of BTDC you have 1,43°. You can calculate with this formula X°= (180xYm)/ms . Where "Ym" will be the BTDC and "ms" will be motor stroke. For example, with 44 motor stroke, you'll need X°=(180x4.88)/44 X°=(578.4)/44 X°=19.96°. BTDC 1,43° it's not too much anticipate, and the motor can't ignite the gas properly.
TBH, the TPR spec of 20 degrees has never made total sense to me. They don't specify where. Locked out at 20 degrees isn't going to do the best. 20 degrees of base timing could mean all sorts of things with different CDIs. With the MVT as setup here, it has over 40 degrees of timing at low RPM and reaches 20 degrees around 11,000RPM. It continues to pull timing as RPM increases.
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@@49ccscoot I investigate, and i think on the MVT the line is not the pick up, but the charge to produce electricity, i translate the recommend on the manual of MVT and it'is: "before top dead center if the cylinder is 50cc, if the cylinder is greater than 50cc it must be set at 0.35mm before the top dead center, likewise the lighting must not exceed 55w" , i think to never go up 55w they say for 50cc motor keep it at 0mm, for upper motor keep it at 0,35mm, after the timing of the CDI will do the correct timing of 16° or 20° for the TPR 86cc engine. So my excuse for the precedent message ;)
Quick question, do you know the difference between a 50cc minarelli engine and a 50cc morini engine?
Not really. I know they're different platforms, but I don't really know much about the Morini engines. Haven't worked on TGB or Hyosung that they're common in.
Now I just need a better pipe on the scooter like a roost sp1 would just wake that cylinder up
did you test different settings other than 0.35mm ?
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@@49ccscoot thanks for your reaction. i also have the mvt ignition installed on piaggio engine, The manual was very bad. I tested also with different setting, like 0.35mm, 0.25mm, and ende up to set it 0.50mm for the best result
1 last question: did you manage to connect the cables to charge your battery?
@@peter0139 It charges, but it won't regulate very well at all. I basically turn on more lights to keep voltage down. lol Wiring diagram and info is in the description.
Do you know the size of the two screws and washers to secure the stator to the stator plate.
I don't want to take this one all apart to check, but I have a Digital Direct for Piaggio that likely uses the same thing. Give me a few minutes and I'll go check it.
M5x0.8x30
@@49ccscoot do you know of any company/reseller that can sell the whole ignition mounting screws seperate (I.e screws that connect plate to casing,stator to stator plate screws and washers). I’m having trouble finding the screws separately for my digital direct.
@@crbcairo.1633 Contact MVT or see if ScooterTuning can help maybe. Otherwise, with measurements to guide you, you can find most stuff at McMaster-Carr. The M5 bolts and washers are easy enough. The M6x1.0 bolts (not sure on length, but they're so easy to cut down if they're a little large) should be no problem. Honestly, a local hardware store may be all you need.
For am6 what is measurement before tdc? I cant find nothing about it
Should be 0.4mm for standard stroke. I don't see anything specifically for the DD21, but other strokes of 39-40mm are 0.40mm.
@@49ccscoot thank you
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I got a malagutti f15 wt a stock crank shaft polini shoud it be 40mm sett
Standard stroke (stock 49cc crank) says 0.40mm.
Hi (2m 40s) is it machined rotor?
Yes. I took a little material off to lighten it.
Does this guide differ for my derbi? Ofc my derbi doesnt have a variator
The process is the same, but specs could vary. I would suggest checking the instructions or contacting MVT to be sure about the timing spec for your engine.
@@49ccscoot Thank you also the TPC calculator that goes into the spark plug hole where can i get those?
@@champ2572 I made the dial indicator holder, but you can get them from scootertuning.ca in the tools section. They also sell dial indicators and micrometer style setting tools.
@@49ccscoot Thanks
what is going to be if install ignition wrong way ?
The timing won't be right so you could have anything from a no-start to low power to engine damage.
Ciao avrei un problema con questa accensione praticamente allo statore passa la corrente soltanto che poi vado a vedere alla bobina e non arriva corrente può essere la centralina? Grazie mille
Most likely the CDI or the stator itself. Possibly a kill circuit issue disabling spark. Some MVT troubleshooting help here :
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I have same ignition on my piaggio nrg 50. Is it ok to adjust it at as you are?
I spent a few minutes looking around, because I've never used the Piaggio version. I didn't see anything specific to the DD09 that is for Piaggio. Some pics show the same CDI (RJ34-6) that I have. That makes me think you may be OK with the same specs as the DD06 for Minarelli. I don't know that for sure though. You could try contacting MVT or a dealer that sells them if you don't have the original instructions to check.
@@49ccscoot i dont have original instructions and i am hear here that is must be 1,5mm before tdc. Watching your video i see that mine setup is way ofset. I know that selletra goes 2,5mm before tdc.
@@ivannovoselac3518 It will depend on all of the components. For example, the same ignition with the MVT E-Prom instead of the included CDI requires a much different setting.
Frère c'est quoi la différence entre allumage mvt dd Booster et 103
I don't know anything about the 103, but just from pics I can see that it's a different rotor, looks like maybe a different stator and the CDI has a different number. Probably a different mounting plate. So it's meant to fit that engine's flywheel taper and mounting and possibly has different specs.
Hi, i swap ignition to Mvt and engine starts on reverse! What the fxx? Any one with ideas? I was told I have to much Adv timing, so I use half to what cdi demand and still wean I kick start, engine starts on reverse
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This seems to be pretty common with the E-Prom from MVT. At least for Minarelli, they want 2.9mm BTDC, as opposed to their standard CDI that's around 0.35-0.45mm BTDC usually. If you've backed the timing off to half of what it was, I would first suggest double checking everything to be sure you haven't got anything off in the process. Even at 2.9mm with the E-Prom, most report intermittent reverse starting. For example, a friend said about once every 5 starts it may start backwards. Seems to be right on the edge if it's setup to spec.
@@49ccscoot yes, it's the one with 3 map option, sometimes wean starts well forward at idle it reverse with out stopping engine also, it's crazy, i guess I must change cdi to normal one
Hi there... Can it be that you forget you're woodruff key? I didn't see you set it back when you install the rotor. Or am I wrong?! Nice video! Greeting Mike
This uses no woodruff key. The rotor isn't machined for it. That's why you have to go through the timing procedure.
Why messing with distances when you can go with degrees? Then it's the same no matter what engine size you have.
I've always been a fan of degree wheels and timing lights, but after dealing with the racing ignition I will say that this is a very fast way to set up timing. Timing lights on this particular ignition (and many other racing ignitions to my understanding) can be very it or miss.
Where did you get your dial indicator from
amzn.to/35RF0li (affiliate link)
@Matthew Flindall I made it. That's covered in the video linked. You can get them from scooter parts shops like ScooterTuning. ruclips.net/video/UbxJBgjZu3c/видео.html
@Matthew Flindall There's an amazon link in my reply to the question above.
After setting piston to the stroke timing, do i have to reset the timing marks again after advancing or retard the stator?
When the piston is placed at the desired distance from TDC, the marks should be made to align so you know it's set right. Recheck to be sure nothing moved after the rotor is installed. After that, you can move the slotted stator to change timing as you desire. If you want to put it back to the standard setting, then align the marks again by rotating the stator to it's original position. The marks won't align at the standard setting after you rotate the stator.
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Does that ignition coil have a light?🤔
No.
@@49ccscoot Oh it doesn't have lighting, just ignition?
@@c__TattinhNhi Oh, yes. The ignition does have charging/lighting output.
Yes, thank you. The videos you are pretty good at 😊👍
@@49ccscoot God will bless you amen😊👍
can this Digital Direct charge the moped battery?
Yes. It needs to stay at high RPM to charge though. Doesn't do much at idle or low RPM.
@@49ccscoot so i just plug it straight into the old harness and it should work I assume?
@@kevinisaksson1914 Depending on the scoot. Watch the video. I cover wiring toward the end.
How to order mvt?
I got mine from scootertuning.ca
mvt dd19 vs dd06 Different?
DD06 says it's for Yamaha/MBK models before 2003 and the DD19 says it's for those after 2003.
49ccScoot thank you.
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Hallo i have mvt dd on my aerox now and i have folow all in your video and it dont work can you help me?
See if it has spark. If not : ruclips.net/video/buUEmdHxxXY/видео.html
I really can’t advise on this since I never touched a gtx and they are not really minarelli engines. Chinese knock offs are so mix match of parts that I don’t know which part would fit and which won’t.
I know it’s not the answer you want to hear but honestly in my opinion it’s not worth the time.
For me to get into detail of the 101 variables on jog/minarelli engines will be too confusing and since it’s not something I work on I wouldn’t know where to start. My suggestion to all those that message me Chinese clone motors is to leave it stock of it runs. Any modification and you are opening a can of worms money pit. You are more then welcome to try but I can’t really be of help. Sorry
Mahalo for the acknowledgement of me knowing minarellis but I have no clue when it comes to the qmb line of motors
“Okay bro, I messaged the local expert on minarelli engines and the above was his answer. “
I don't see where they're al that different from the Yamaha Minarelli horizontals, like the Zuma. Yes, there are multiple differences, but most of the engine and CVT stuff generally fits. The Chinese engines do have different sizes of wrist pins, flywheel tapers, and variator splines. When you get to the gearbox, that's different than many Yamahas and there are multiple versions.
I ment u need a better pipe lol
Hi, did you have problems that these ignitions get no spark or suddenly start missing and not reving?
I lost spark once (MVT troubleshooting video). CDI was bad. Since then, no issues. Using an MVT DD on my RC1 as well now.