No disrespect, but part of the disrespect of the past comes from the constant debates about the GOAT created by sports media. If sports media personalities don’t think they have a role in this they are either in denial or delusional.
That’s weird because athletic records are always being broken. It’s an inevitable process it happens with everything else don’t feel bad you don’t need to trash talk everything to prop yourself up.
They are definitely practicing more 3s now, but "more skilled"? Do we feel like the guys doing tricks in the Rucker were "more skilled" than Jason Kidd? Are receivers more skilled than running backs? Do we feel like today's musicians are more skilled than musicians in the 90s too? Are the movie stars more beautiful, or does it just come down to taste?
They are more skilled because they never get called for carrying, travelling, offensive charges but any defensive efforts including phantom fouls with hard floppings all over included. Fake skills glorified by unreasonable fanbase picking and choosing what they wanna tork up or what they wanna keep their eyes looking away from. They never care about true skill nor true fair plays for all.
Bill lambier was floping in the 80's Reggie Miller and Danny Ange was walking Tim Hardaway was carring and Mj got a lot of phantom calls it's not the lack of defense it's just more players with great offense skills instead of 1or2 players on a team now you have damn near 4 or 5 that can get you 20 or better.
Been saying that for damn YEARS NOW! even grandmothers would look skilled in this Era! it's all fake, players of this Era are covering their inability to play basketball with real defense and rules using a fraud platform like a masc on a very ugly woman.
It's amazing how relevant MJ is. He got an entire generation that never watched him play mad at him 25 years after he's left the sport. All because they are so tired of hearing his greatness and how their fav player don't compare... LOL I've never seen this in the history of american sports that a guy can walk away for so long and be so relevant. Bron doesn't get the hate this guy gets, cause he's getting it retroactively in the most unfair possible way, where he's not even able to go on the court anymore...
To be fair you haven't seen this because there's a clear distinction in the way we receive and deliver information between now and the 90s. The internet and social media create an avenue for a lot of people to voice their opinions and create narratives whether anyone agrees or not. That didn't exist in the transition from the 80s to 90s basketball players.
@@JB-tp6uj I’m not just referring to not having seen this in the 90s. I’ve never seen it , even today to anyone else. Whose else is getting hated that was an athlete in the 90s, as people try to change the narrative on his career in year 2024? They doing it cause they sick of hearing about MJ. Dude was too popular and big of a figure to miss out on in life. They pissed… lol
@@DynoGreen313 but people's opinions didn't carry as far as they do today. That's the point. The range and influence that an opinion can have on audiences today far exceeds what it could do in the 90s.
shaq saying he woulda killed wilt is NOT the same thing as what we see today shaq was IN the nba and compared HIMSELF to an all time great; thats NORMAL fans NEVER used to disrespect the former greats though as they do now
Mj face 💩 competition especially at his position 🤷🏽♂️ Let me ask you a simple question ? Who was Michael Jordan best competition at his position? SG? Latrell Sprewell, Clyde the Glide, Grant Hill, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson ? MJ was playing all these expansion teams and a bunch of drug addicted players. This is no secret. Can’t be Kobe or A.I.those were Teenagers at 1996 😂 Usually when I ask this Michael Jordan fans start the name mostly big man centers & PF 🤦🏽♂️😂 from the 90s. Shaq, Hakeem, Barkley, Ewing etc but in reality, when these big man had the 🏀 Michael Jordan never checked him, But on the offensive, and he will attack them, but on defense, he would hide from them. You see the difference. He was a one trick pony. These guys were not his problem on the defensive end. He didn’t have to worry about them mainly Scottie Pippen, and the bulls big man did the job Michael Jordan job was simply just the score of the 🏀. Because that his position shooting guard Clyde was his Best comp Clyde Played with 0 HOF players in Portland (No help at all) BUT NOW LEBRON COMPETITION SF Kevin Durant ,Kawhi Leonard , Carmelo Anthony ,Paul Pierce PG13, Giannis ( was a SF 2014-2019) Jimmy Butler, etc The list goes on and on throughout his career almost every night LeBron James had his matchup cut out for him and also the team need him to score the team needs him to get his teammates involved. The team need him to also get rebound with Michael Jordan with simply ask the score that’s it. LeBron James faced Dynasties. 5 time Champs San Antonio Spurs. Dirk a top 10 all time scorer. The Goldenstate Warriors who were a 73 Win team and added Kevin Durant and who have the greatest shooting team of All-Times that's who LeBron James had to Face. It's not even close plus he never had a Phil Jackson just rookie coaches. The competition, LeBron, James, and Michael Jordan faced at their positions it is not even close just Kevin Durant and Leonard will cook anybody MJ was facing. 🤷🏽♂️ Facts over feelings. MJ FACED 💩 competition at his position
Yeah I mean if Shaq played during the 60s he would've been a totally different player. Wilt Chamberlain by far was the most skilled and dominant big man of that era. If you watch Wilt you can see that he was supremely athletic and would've given Shaq fits if he played in the 90s & 2000s. He was 7'1 275 back then and the strongest player in the league. That's pretty much like Shaq weighing 350 in the early 2000s during his 3peat. As great as Shaq was Wilt did everything he did better, better scorer, rebounder, shot blocker, and defender. If we remove rings from the equation he really stands alone in terms of GOAT status. He has numbers that no one will ever touch long after we're all deceased.
@@MoeBeenHooping more br@n s@xual straw man nonsense ---if he was BETTER than jordan he would beaten ALL THOSE TEAMS YOU MENTIONED simple and its a team sport so you should be asking what TEAMS the bulls faced and what THEIR RECORDS WERE...the answer is the bulls defeated MORE 60 win teams in the playoffs and finals than lebrons teams have also jordan's bulls NEVER LOST when they finished with the best record; lebron's teams lost TWICE after finishing with the best reord ...66 wins in 09 and 62 wins in 2010 and he FAILED TO REACH THE FINAL BOTH TIMES and no athlete OR ped supplier like conti has ever said jordan used peds ...
@@rdogletree4543 yeah shaq was just talking... wilt was better most likely but still i can see one player saying "i woulda killed him" kobe even said that about mike so ... but FANS ??? being so disrespectful? that just ignorance
So skilled and athletic that they can't play 65 games. So skilled and athletic that they have team up to win something. So skilled and athletic that they have to be incentivized to compete. So skilled and athletic that they skipped the fundamentals of the game. So skilled and athletic that they don't need to play defense.
Its so dumb to say 90's were bad come on basketball always was and will be basketball its just different styles of playing it and MJ is the greatest player there ever was and the greatest there ever will be...the end.
Best comment, I say this all the time. I’ve said this time and time again. Basketball is basketball. I’ve seen a bunch of old white men hold their own against D-1 college players in open gyms during the summer
@marvinroberson8583 exactly they complain about playing 65 games and all this load management. When the players in the 90s that they done with most played all 82 including the playoffs.
Everyone needs to hear chris broussard on this topic. He explained it perfectly, basketball is supposed to be played with all 5 players on the court, not this high pick and roll every play bs.
This is why the NFL will always be supreme over the NBA. They will protect their shield and not allow disrespect towards their legends regarding what era they played in.
Mj face 💩 competition especially at his position 🤷🏽♂️ Let me ask you a simple question ? Who was Michael Jordan best competition at his position? SG? Latrell Sprewell, Clyde the Glide, Grant Hill, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson ? MJ was playing all these expansion teams and a bunch of drug addicted players. This is no secret. Can’t be Kobe or A.I.those were Teenagers at 1996 😂 Usually when I ask this Michael Jordan fans start the name mostly big man centers & PF 🤦🏽♂️😂 from the 90s. Shaq, Hakeem, Barkley, Ewing etc but in reality, when these big man had the 🏀 Michael Jordan never checked him, But on the offensive, and he will attack them, but on defense, he would hide from them. You see the difference. He was a one trick pony. These guys were not his problem on the defensive end. He didn’t have to worry about them mainly Scottie Pippen, and the bulls big man did the job Michael Jordan job was simply just the score of the 🏀. Because that his position shooting guard Clyde was his Best comp Clyde Played with 0 HOF players in Portland (No help at all) BUT NOW LEBRON COMPETITION SF Kevin Durant ,Kawhi Leonard , Carmelo Anthony ,Paul Pierce PG13, Giannis ( was a SF 2014-2019) Jimmy Butler, etc The list goes on and on throughout his career almost every night LeBron James had his matchup cut out for him and also the team need him to score the team needs him to get his teammates involved. The team need him to also get rebound with Michael Jordan with simply ask the score that’s it. LeBron James faced Dynasties. 5 time Champs San Antonio Spurs. Dirk a top 10 all time scorer. The Goldenstate Warriors who were a 73 Win team and added Kevin Durant and who have the greatest shooting team of All-Times that's who LeBron James had to Face. It's not even close plus he never had a Phil Jackson just rookie coaches. The competition, LeBron, James, and Michael Jordan faced at their positions it is not even close just Kevin Durant and Leonard will cook anybody MJ was facing. 🤷🏽♂️ Facts over feelings. MJ FACED 💩 competition at his position
And the guy who played 23 years in the violent NFL. Tom Shady. Not only was Tom on steroids he deflated footballs and benefitted directly from spygate. They didn't call him "Psycho Tom" for nothing. Steroids damage your brain.
Chris, that was a great explanation comparing 90's basketball to the modern game. If you go back and watch classic 90's games on RUclips, you see so much more movement on the court, and so many different combinations of shots, passes, and moves. In the modern game, it's simply a three-point contest and attacking the rim. Casuals say the 90's players 'can't shoot', which is just not true. They were excellent mid-range shooters instead, and didn't take as many threes, but they were knocking down jump shots at will back then. You'd think 'attacking the rim' would be very entertaining but the rules favor the ball handler so much that it's impossible to stop dribble penetration without fouling. Modern basketball basically has two offensive players standing in both corners at all times as shooters, and they spread the floor so much that the paint is never protected. Even then, there's very few elite shot blockers or rim protectors in the league anymore, when back in the day you had true power forwards and centers 'protecting the paint.' They also eliminated 'hard fouls' as well, which so guys going to the fear have zero fear at all. I miss back-to-the-basket post-play, passes to the post, mid-range shots, guys moving without the ball, and I also miss the 90's scoring, when every basketball just kind of felt like it was a big deal, and that a 10-point lead in the first half was a massive lead. Teams can be down 15-20 points in the fourth quarter now and just hit a bunch of threes and be immediately back in the game. You lose the electricity and desperation when teams can easily surpass 130 points. At one time in the 90's and early-00s a three-point shot was actually kind of a thrilling play and so cool when marksmen like Reggie Miller, Glen Rice, and Mitch Richmond would knock down 3 or 4 threes a game. Now teams literally attempt over 50 threes a game, and it's guys like Steph curry and James Harden are allowed to take 15 threes a game sometimes. Three-pointers and free throws aren't entertaining basketball.
This is what I tell these young heads. I had the benefit of watching MJs career in its entirety and now Lebron’s and I’ve concluded that the debate is fallacious because MJ is the superior player who accomplished more in less time. This doesn’t diminish Lebron’s greatness it just means that he should get comfortable with being number 2!
No it was not!! I've watched tons of full games of 90s ball and it was not pretty to watch. Players couldn't even go left and had no crossover dribble, the paint was clogged and the court had no spacing because no one could shoot, and the defense wasn't even that good like you oldheads say, OVERRATED ERA.
@@wiseandstrong3386 I've watch all the 90s basketball 80s, 2000s as well.Still better name from all the eras who hasn't missed a layup,blown a dunk,travel with the basketball, didn't get a rebound, turn the ball over ,missed a freethrows.
@@GlenroySmithSr Today's era is undoubtedly the best era of basketball, players are more and skilled and talented then they've ever been, most dudes in the 80s and 90s wouldn't even make the league today.
It was great for the era and you get that nostalgic feeling...I always thought Magic and Bird was overrated but older heads think they was art...but just a average NBA bench player is better than a average starter back then so the game is WAY better in 2024
This is crazy, we never disrespected players from previous eras ! We understood the greatness and how the game advanced, this is just example of how the generation is entitled and soft and they need to learn some respect for people who set the standards and help build the league that they’re playing in
These youngsters are disrespectful. Lebron fans are the worst! They the only ones that have to tear down legends to uplift their team hoppin guy. That alone should tell you who the goat is. MJ & KOBE > Le-Superteam
@@Ap32023Are you implying that parents and coaches are teaching kids to be “soft” when it comes to sports? Most fans that are complaining, why not take the time out of your schedule and go coach AAU, middle school or high school and make your impact in the world. If not, you come across as the old guy that is always negative and nobody wants to be around.
You guys disrespected today's game and get mad when they pull up the tape of the 90s. F you guys. We won. f the 90s we won. LeBron the GOAT. Stop acting innocent like never trash talk today games
ITS A MICRO OF A MACRO. This is a shining example of the oversensitivity, indignant attitude and effeminate nature of the current NBA players, Corp. media and fans alike.
I like it. Effeminate. And today's generations are overly self-entitled, disrespectful not just in basketball but in general. They think they know everything because of the internet and stuff.
That makes zero sense. We are just tired of the NBA media talking about the 90s like it was this untouchable era and all those players were greater. Everyone looks back at the era with rose colored glasses and people are just showing how flawed it really was.
The craziest statistical gap between the 90s and the current era, to me, is the viewership numbers. More people watched and talked about the NBA in the 90s and by quite a lot. It's just not as compelling to watch a game anymore-especially in the regular season. I think the 3-ball revolution was smart and very successful for some teams, but when every team in the league is chasing that same ideology, the game becomes a lackluster product on the court and for the fans.
Mj face 💩 competition especially at his position 🤷🏽♂️ Let me ask you a simple question ? Who was Michael Jordan best competition at his position? SG? Latrell Sprewell, Clyde the Glide, Grant Hill, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson ? MJ was playing all these expansion teams and a bunch of drug addicted players. This is no secret. Can’t be Kobe or A.I.those were Teenagers at 1996 😂 Usually when I ask this Michael Jordan fans start the name mostly big man centers & PF 🤦🏽♂️😂 from the 90s. Shaq, Hakeem, Barkley, Ewing etc but in reality, when these big man had the 🏀 Michael Jordan never checked him, But on the offensive, and he will attack them, but on defense, he would hide from them. You see the difference. He was a one trick pony. These guys were not his problem on the defensive end. He didn’t have to worry about them mainly Scottie Pippen, and the bulls big man did the job Michael Jordan job was simply just the score of the 🏀. Because that his position shooting guard Clyde was his Best comp Clyde Played with 0 HOF players in Portland (No help at all) BUT NOW LEBRON COMPETITION SF Kevin Durant ,Kawhi Leonard , Carmelo Anthony ,Paul Pierce PG13, Giannis ( was a SF 2014-2019) Jimmy Butler, etc The list goes on and on throughout his career almost every night LeBron James had his matchup cut out for him and also the team need him to score the team needs him to get his teammates involved. The team need him to also get rebound with Michael Jordan with simply ask the score that’s it. LeBron James faced Dynasties. 5 time Champs San Antonio Spurs. Dirk a top 10 all time scorer. The Goldenstate Warriors who were a 73 Win team and added Kevin Durant and who have the greatest shooting team of All-Times that's who LeBron James had to Face. It's not even close plus he never had a Phil Jackson just rookie coaches. The competition, LeBron, James, and Michael Jordan faced at their positions it is not even close just Kevin Durant and Leonard will cook anybody MJ was facing. 🤷🏽♂️ Facts over feelings. MJ FACED 💩 competition at his position
Rob is absolutely right! I've been saying this for over a year. This tearing down only is happening in NBA basketball. All the other sports NFL, FIFA, Boxing, UFC, Tennis, MLB, NHL, PGA, etc. They all pay homage to those before them, only the NBA since LeBron joined has this happened. Shaq comment is perfect! He thought this, but he never said it to be disrespectful.
It’s Bronsexuals, they’re not tearing down Kareem or bird or magic, it’s MJ because he dominated the 90s and bronsexuals want to discredit that so they can prop up Lebron as the goat, I’m surprised ppl not framing it that way because that’s all it is
@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408 No, it's biased oxymoron like Rob who's doing exactly what he's excusing other of doing and that is tearing down one generation to big up another.
Rob is a biased oxymoron. He is doing exactly what he excuses other people of doing. He literally discredits another one generation just to big the other.
Shiidd Shaq tripping! He couldn’t have stopped the sky hook, Wilt was a big dude with grown man weight on him. He wasn’t just going to do what he wanted.
EXACTLY! It ain't hard to go back and watch. It's just hard to watch. And I grew up in the 80s and 90s! Folks at like watching Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason play was must see TV
@@sholovesholove4620 but look at who u chose to name they jus wasn’t the 2 best either what about the kemps and shaqs and Hakeem u kno those were 90s players to instead of naming the mid 90s players how about naming the flashy all time great 90s players u could’ve name eweng instead of the 2 role players on the knicks that’s like saying I dnt like watching grant Williams or any Detroit big men of this era instead of naming the Gianni’s and Jokic 😂😂😂😂😂
@@damianpresha9833 The hard truth is Jordan fans don't have respect for lebron fans. Jordan fans can't get with the softness and feminine nature of lebron fans. Take it from me as a Jordan fan.
Because MJ himself had respect for the past era's, and so does his fans. Also, Kareem in his prime would've schooled Shaq, just like Hakeem did. No disrespect to the Big Fella.
@@ThePopbanks007definitely did not. I said his point was ridiculous. The part about Wilt was really unrelated but I wanted to add that in because it's true in my opinion. I heard his point and I think it's ridiculous.
Offensive fouls in Wilt era, are what Shaq, & Lebron do on a regular. Shaq’s a casual that never watched the full games. Shaq would foul out trying that stuff in Wilt’s era. Anyone who’s watched those games, know that. There are clips on RUclips showing those things were whistled for illegal fouls.
I'm a 80s baby and what I think the push back is pretty much is a lot of fans of the 80s and 90s NBA are judging players in this generation negatively because of 50 percent of nostalgia and 50 percent that they don't like that athletes speak their mind , aren't company yes men, and negotiate their contracts to their advantage.
The 2020s era of the entitled, these players today couldn’t bang down in the paint , they took away a lot of the rules for todays players , they travel everywhere now , that to me don’t tell me the ball handling is better it tells me they had to change the rules so they can handle the ball better , lazy no defense but of course the league wants it that way so the players are use to playing that way so many 3s put up it’s a very boring game now the lack of defense killed the game
Defense from the 90's = mma it's not basketball it's less skilled players trying to have money for their drugs addiction and only they know and only they could do is to punch other players. This is not basketball, basketball is sport of skills and fundamentals not martial arts
People underestimate the rule changes , the defensive rule changes wouldn’t make a lot of the now players look like all stars . Then the offensive rule changes like they allow three step moves, let people carry , moving screens.
Lol😂 it’s the opposite It’s Mj fans who’s started it. I’m a Bron fan & I don’t even hate Mj, I even bought jordan sportswear a lot more & I only bought Bron once.
"But I would say that scoring is easier in the NBA just because of the different rules, the amount of space, the time, so that's why I said it's easier to score in the NBA." “Everybody says my game looks easy. It’s not easy. Trust me," said Doncic. "But when I said that [about the NBA] many people didn't agree with me. I think now they are starting to agree more and more, but I always say it's because of the rules. The three seconds in the paint in defense is huge, I don't think people realize how huge that is. Because when I'm iso-ing, I watch the defender in the paint because he's got to go out at some point. When he's going out, I try to attack." - Luka Doncic
No he was not😂😂😂 highlights don't tell you the full story you have to actually watch a full game, all the highlights show is him finishing with his left hand from time to time but not actually dribbling with his left hand. People actually went back and watched full games and the dude struggled to dribble or attack the defense with his left hand it was bad haha I'm glad y'all oldheads overrated era is getting exposed.
@@wiseandstrong3386 Not an old head. You couldn't be more wrong. Only thing that's being exposed is how stupid and ignorant basketball fans are. You think you're an expert because you watched some TikToks of someone as equally as clueless as you critiquing every detail of Jordan in a game. Hate to break it to you, but anyone can do that with any player in the history of basketball. I could watch a game and critique every action of the best players in the league today and I still see some horrible turnovers, missed shots, airballs, flops, bad defense, etc. ... That's the game. It's not perfect and no player is perfect. Doesn't matter who it is, your favorite player has some lowlights and horrible moments as well that would lead an ignorant/clueless person to believe they aren't skilled, or they can't pass, or they can't defend, or they have no left hand, or something along those lines. You and other basketball fans need to be better.
@@Bob-te3le He struggled dribbling and attacking with his left hand it's a fact and if you sat down and actually watched a full Jordan game you would quickly realize that. Even his contemporaries said the game plan against him was to make him go left, look it up Isaiah Thomas and Kenny Smith both say it in interviews here on RUclips, Kenny even said "he had no handle".
It's funny. Old heads like Rob don't like the disrespect. Lol. They threw first punch saying all their lies, that that Era was just so tough and skilled when they were lying. We done! With the 90s bruh!
No they're right, people are starting to actually watch full games of 80s and 90s basketball and it's clearly an inferior product compared to modern day basketball just deal with it it's the truth. Players were far less skilled in the 80s and 90s and that's a fact if you actually sit down and watch a full game from that time. The game has evolved and Players are better and more skilled at the game of basketball then they've ever been.
@@wiseandstrong3386"just deal with it its the truth" classic adolescent sentence... players are more skilled today nobody is debating that like what? Gd it's 30-40 years later? But the product is clearly not as good I mean that's not even a debate? the stars play 3/5ths the games and when the play spend half the games complaining about calls? Stop it. That reasoning is why Jordan and most goats find the goat debate foolish... the game progresses its about your era.
@@zumptt Then why do dudes in their 40s and 50s say dumb things like "Lebron wouldn't survive in the 90s"!!!! Which is just an absolute joke to anyone with any basketball knowledge and who actually watches full games from then and now knows Lebron would shut the league down in the 90s, or they say "defense was better in the 90s no one plays defense in the modern NBA!!!".When after watching a few games the defense back then was not better whatsoever the defense of the 90s was so overrated it made me laugh watching it. Scoring is so much higher now because guys are better at putting the ball in the basket now then they were then it's that simple This trend is just pushback against these false narratives from the younger generation. And how is the product better then? Have you actually sat down and watched a full 90s game? I've watched many Bulls games from the 90s and all Jordan did was complain to the refs, in fact he was known to be coddled by the refs by his contemporaries. Modern basketball is prettier to watch, the game now has better spacing and shooting, the players are far more skilled and the games are funner to watch because of that, the skill level is so much higher.
if 90s was so basic in skills, why can nobody still do what Jordan was doing? I still dont see anyone with the same or even close elevation+airtime+acrobatics+power, even someone like Kemp, no one dunks like him in today's league....no one.
Let me let you in on a secret! If you have 3 different people calling you out about using PED’s, you’re allowed to sue them for defamation and ruining his character. Have you notice, considering LeBalco is the biggest diva in the league and interjects anytime anyone says anything about him. Well why hasn’t he said anything? Or why hasn’t he threatened to sue? Because they can prove it!! Or start an investigation and he doesn’t need eyes on this stuff!!
He’s been in the league 21 years and never tested positive that’s why. Until he comes up with a positive test you can’t falsely accuse someone. How would you like saying you committed a crime with no proof. The hate is strong.
That's not true at all. I'm old enough to have lived through a time when the players and fans of the 70s and 80s were not on board with elevating Jordan. Many eventually came on board reluctantly, but some still don't care for Jordan to this day.
Jordan fans literally diminish and disrespect players all the time, what are you talking about, I believe he's the goat but if someone has Lebron, Kobe, Kareem, or whoever I don't get upset but a lot of these dudes be in their feelings when someone has a different option. I don't know why you posted this even a blind man knows thats cap 🧢😂
@@commonsense9908 lol, yeah he's an example. Ditto for Clyde Drexler. But even some guys before them still have players like Dr. J, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, or Bill Russell as their GOATs. And Jordan fans would tear those guys down to elevate him back in the day.
*Larry* *Bird* MVPs: 3 Finals MVPs: 2 Rings: 3 All-NBA First Teams: 10 All-Star Selections: 12 All-Star MVPs: 1 Rookie of the Year: 1 NBA Three-Point Contest wins: 3 Points Total: 21,791 *Karl* *Malone* MVPs: 2 Finals MVPs: 0 Rings: 0 All-NBA First Teams: 11 All-Star Selections: 14 All-Star MVPs: 2 Points Total: 36,928 Shouldn’t Karl Malone rank higher than Larry Bird since he played 6 seasons longer and nearly 600 games more than him? Doesn’t Karl have a higher point total, more First Team selections, and a higher FG% and RPG like LeBron does over Jordan? But nobody in their right mind will ever have Karl Malone over Larry Bird or Magic Johnson who only played 12.5 seasons due to his HIV. LeBALCO stans keep losing these debates and now they’re reaching an all-time low by discrediting the 90s! Next thing you know, A.C. Green is better than Tracy McGrady or Yao Ming because he kept himself always available like Cal Ripken Jr. So why isn’t Vince Carter higher than Iverson? Didn’t Vince play 22 seasons to Iverson’s 14? I thought longevity is the end-all and be-all for these arguments? Some BSPN morons on TV are saying LeBron is the most accomplished player ever. How? When Kareem held that scoring leader title for damn near 40 years, nobody was saying he was the GOAT over Jordan. Only when LeJuice does it is when morons on TV will say he is. Check the numbers. *Michael* *Jordan* MVPs: 5 Finals MVPs: 6 Rings: 6 All-NBA First Teams: 10 All-Defensive First Teams: 9 Defensive Player of the Year: 1 Rookie of the Year: 1 Scoring titles: 10 Steals titles: 3 All-Star MVPs: 3 All-Star Selections: 14 NBA Slam Dunk Contest wins: 2 Points Total: 32,292 *LeBron* *James* MVPs: 4 Finals MVPs: 4 Rings: 4 All-NBA First Teams: 13 All-Defensive First Teams: 5 Rookie of the Year: 1 Scoring titles: 1 Assist titles: 1 All-Star MVPs: 3 All-Star Selections: 20 Points Total: 40,036 So LeBron played longer than Jordan by about 6 seasons and 400 games more but still has LESS hardware than MJ? And people are saying he’s the more accomplished player? 🤣 LeBron James is the Michael Jordan (GOAT) of never being as great as the real Michael Jordan. I once read that from a hat and I laughed knowing it’s true. LeBron is the GOAT at never being the GOAT.
He just described 5 man basketball as being able to pass in the post and set a screen and said today’s players can’t do that. My God he doesn’t know basketball.
The fact that media are scared to talk about the obsession of LJ to become the GOAT and his effort to discredit everyone on his way is beyond and above. Too much censorship
That's all the way around, mj fans are obsessed of the goat debate they are brainwashing the people and discrediting the lebron on his greatness we get it mj played in the weaker era and lesser talent thats why he's great in the 90s.
you mean west ? asian countries are sht . how about balkans and africa ? the world doesnt revolve in us of a just saying. also most nba players back then cant dribble lmaooo
We didn't disrespect the prior generations even tho I knew my generation(late 80s) was more exciting to watch. I think the NBA has passed its peak which was the end of Golden States first 3 chips 2018
Being a older guy myself they need to just admit they can't let go of their childhood heros lol. To refuse to admit the game has evolved is crazy and clearly bias. I was a Bruce Lee fan boy, but to say he could beat up the average mma fighter of today would be crazy. Jordan was amazing, but he also didn't have anyone that could match his athletic ability and he was amazing in the mid range. But they need to stop pretending like Jordan played tough teams and got beat up all the time. He's the reason superstar calls became a thing and you weren't allowed to touch him since he was the face of the nba. Crazy how people forget that to protect Jordan's toughness lol. They change the bar of what makes someone the best to make sure Jordan stays number 1 in everyone's eyes. They kill LeBron if he doesn't make the finals, or playoffs, and make it seem like Jordan one the finals and made it there every season lol. Jordan would hate today's media if he played lol
@@KeepTheKeishasAway Probably because it's not true 😂🤦, Funny seeing you here, thought we went over this already, but since you wanna go there again, what about Jordan's steroids use? He's my goat, if yall want to keep trying to push this pathetic narrative, then let's go all after everybody.
They hate Michael Jordan, but consistently buy his shoes to the point that they sell out every release. Not just old heads buying his shoes. 🤣. I think that speaks to this generations non sensical thought process 😂
Buying Jordan’s at this point has nothing to do with him personally. They’re some of the best looking shoes out here to the point where women and kids who never saw him play or could care less about him still wear the shoes. S/o to Nike for making a great shoe because I promise you if Jordan’s were made by under armor, they wouldn’t hit the same
For me basketball in the 90s was awesome and 80s for that matter. The great players played almost every night and the playoffs. Didn’t get hurt as much and grew the game. The Dream Team was a rock and roll show for a reason
Yall complained about the game FOR YEARS. Y’all told young people go watch film. They watched film, wasn’t impressed, and now WE DONE WIT THE 90s. Go cry yourself to sleep
cause the NBA lowered the Rims in 2005 - til now. There is no set standard on the rims now. Here in the last few weeks they raised the rims back to 10 but loosened them some though. The dunks look better on real legit 10 foot rims.
I mean 90s players and media members have spent the last 20 years disrespecting this era and this era players, so I think some pushback upon review of the actual games is warrented.
I’ll let you in on a secret! Players in this era wouldn’t be making anything and the sport would be on lifeline if it wasn’t for the 80’s & 90’s. So these dorks should handle the criticism! Because the product has become garbage! You’d think with players who have way more athleticism you’d see a better product!
@@HZB_33 What is trashing? Backing your era? Reality is every era does it Wilt did it to Jordan in 97. This cycle been going on for a long time. It ain't new
There doesn’t need to be a “we done with the modern era” because sports fans already told you they done😂 We seeing some of the lowest ratings for NBA broadcasts ever! Nobody has had anything good to say about the NBA in years😂😂😂
It’s just as much if not more the opposite direction. Because people can’t handle that some of the best players of all time still retired a decade or more ago. Not all, but some of the best. Guys like Luka said it’s easier to score in the nba than Europe. Defense is softer now. That’s what gets trashed and downgraded because it’s true. People aren’t trashing the players themselves individually as much the defense and rule easing all around. For players like Luka and Embid they had their scoring averages increase 3-4 points each between the 2021-22 and the 2022-23 seasons. It’s not a coincidence; they didn’t both simultaneously become instantly much better scorers that summer. No, the NBA continued to soften on defense, the refs called the game to favor offense, etc. to allow them to look even better as offensive players and for players like Lebron to more easily maintain their stat lines from ten years ago. It’s bad marketing for the nba when most people know the best player ever retired over 2 decades ago, so they gotta level the playing field by jacking up offense beyond belief over defense, barely calling travels, etc.
And guys play less games now for more money better tech more injuries than ever but better athletically oxymoron and when they get a bruise shut it down the players of the 90's plyed with a different type of grit grind no complaining
Who is being downgraded and where should they be? LeBron is nearly universally recognized as a top 3 player all-time with the majority saying he's #2. Steph is nearly universally recognized as a fringe top 10 player all-time. KD is widely regarded as a top 15ish player all-time. People are already putting Giannis and Jokic in the top 20 convo. Westbrook, Harden, AD, Dame, CP3, and Kawhi were all named Top 75 players all-time. Most people acknowledge Luka will be an all-time great, once his accolades start to catch his talent. Like, who's not getting their flowers??? Jayson Tatum?😅 I legitimately get confused when people say this.
Rob and Chris are the problem and Shaq was spot on. I'm 41 and grew up in Chicago being a Bulls fan. The problem i see is the older generation doesn't embrace this generation. You're telling people to not believe their lying eyes..... basketball SHOULD be better now. All i hear are excuses! So did carrying the ball have an effect on people in the 90s not having a left handle? The 90s was the most iso heavy era. Also the similar 3 point percentage argument is dumb because the more you take the higher the chance for it to go down. So today's players are still better shooters. We NEED to be done with the 90s!
Facts. I'm old and I can't bring myself to lie to my kids about what I watched growing up. It was great but man it's not the greatest. There were major flaws with offense, defense, league wide talent. Imagine trying to make up stuff that is available to be viewed in its entirety wherever you're at online on your phone.
@edwardcoward1062 what's funny is that they say this "disrespect" of the past only happens in basketball. But other sports past stars acknowledge how their sport has improved. Hall of famer Wayne Gretzky himself said he wouldn't make an NHL team today. When have you ever heard an acknowledgment from Barkley or any of them like that? They would rather chastise this generation even though we are seeing shooting and game play on otherworldly levels. Most of those guys would literally be unplayable today......
Mj face 💩 competition especially at his position 🤷🏽♂️ Let me ask you a simple question ? Who was Michael Jordan best competition at his position? SG? Latrell Sprewell, Clyde the Glide, Grant Hill, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson ? MJ was playing all these expansion teams and a bunch of drug addicted players. This is no secret. Can’t be Kobe or A.I.those were Teenagers at 1996 😂 Usually when I ask this Michael Jordan fans start the name mostly big man centers & PF 🤦🏽♂️😂 from the 90s. Shaq, Hakeem, Barkley, Ewing etc but in reality, when these big man had the 🏀 Michael Jordan never checked him, But on the offensive, and he will attack them, but on defense, he would hide from them. You see the difference. He was a one trick pony. These guys were not his problem on the defensive end. He didn’t have to worry about them mainly Scottie Pippen, and the bulls big man did the job Michael Jordan job was simply just the score of the 🏀. Because that his position shooting guard Clyde was his Best comp Clyde Played with 0 HOF players in Portland (No help at all) BUT NOW LEBRON COMPETITION SF Kevin Durant ,Kawhi Leonard , Carmelo Anthony ,Paul Pierce PG13, Giannis ( was a SF 2014-2019) Jimmy Butler, etc The list goes on and on throughout his career almost every night LeBron James had his matchup cut out for him and also the team need him to score the team needs him to get his teammates involved. The team need him to also get rebound with Michael Jordan with simply ask the score that’s it. LeBron James faced Dynasties. 5 time Champs San Antonio Spurs. Dirk a top 10 all time scorer. The Goldenstate Warriors who were a 73 Win team and added Kevin Durant and who have the greatest shooting team of All-Times that's who LeBron James had to Face. It's not even close plus he never had a Phil Jackson just rookie coaches. The competition, LeBron, James, and Michael Jordan faced at their positions it is not even close just Kevin Durant and Leonard will cook anybody MJ was facing. 🤷🏽♂️ Facts over feelings. MJ FACED 💩 competition at his position
Using that shooting percentage is wild....the fact that its the same but so many different people shoot now and they shoot way more 3s now means the shooting is better
Unless defense is same, spacing is same, we can’t say shooting is better. That’s common sense. You can not close out on a shooter, or guard a shooter as closely, or off ball player as physically. You also can travel more, push off more, illegal screen more, carry more. It’s just common sense.
@@honorfirst7506defense is harder cuza zone defense... shooting is better cuza obvious reasons... u never not close out on shooters in dis era an not get cook'd... they barely contested by jumpin inda 90s... stop da cap
Isnt it IRONIC that MJ was able to score all those pt, win many awards, championships, less all star help ALL with "no left hand" Luka, Trae, Curry, Joker, Markannen, Sabonis avg 26" vertical and yet are some of the best scorers and all-around guys in the league lmfao
Two segments on it really shows they are genuinely threatened by people actually pulling up the tape rather than just allowing them to blindly agree with each other😂
threatened by what? in another 10 years the NBA will still be trying to find the next jordan. dominate players of other sports are called the jordan of their sport.
Mj face 💩 competition especially at his position 🤷🏽♂️ Let me ask you a simple question ? Who was Michael Jordan best competition at his position? SG? Latrell Sprewell, Clyde the Glide, Grant Hill, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson ? MJ was playing all these expansion teams and a bunch of drug addicted players. This is no secret. Can’t be Kobe or A.I.those were Teenagers at 1996 😂 Usually when I ask this Michael Jordan fans start the name mostly big man centers & PF 🤦🏽♂️😂 from the 90s. Shaq, Hakeem, Barkley, Ewing etc but in reality, when these big man had the 🏀 Michael Jordan never checked him, But on the offensive, and he will attack them, but on defense, he would hide from them. You see the difference. He was a one trick pony. These guys were not his problem on the defensive end. He didn’t have to worry about them mainly Scottie Pippen, and the bulls big man did the job Michael Jordan job was simply just the score of the 🏀. Because that his position shooting guard Clyde was his Best comp Clyde Played with 0 HOF players in Portland (No help at all) BUT NOW LEBRON COMPETITION SF Kevin Durant ,Kawhi Leonard , Carmelo Anthony ,Paul Pierce PG13, Giannis ( was a SF 2014-2019) Jimmy Butler, etc The list goes on and on throughout his career almost every night LeBron James had his matchup cut out for him and also the team need him to score the team needs him to get his teammates involved. The team need him to also get rebound with Michael Jordan with simply ask the score that’s it. LeBron James faced Dynasties. 5 time Champs San Antonio Spurs. Dirk a top 10 all time scorer. The Goldenstate Warriors who were a 73 Win team and added Kevin Durant and who have the greatest shooting team of All-Times that's who LeBron James had to Face. It's not even close plus he never had a Phil Jackson just rookie coaches. The competition, LeBron, James, and Michael Jordan faced at their positions it is not even close just Kevin Durant and Leonard will cook anybody MJ was facing. 🤷🏽♂️ Facts over feelings. MJ FACED 💩 competition at his position
@@Zee006_ Mj face 💩 competition especially at his position 🤷🏽♂️ Let me ask you a simple question ? Who was Michael Jordan best competition at his position? SG? Latrell Sprewell, Clyde the Glide, Grant Hill, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson ? MJ was playing all these expansion teams and a bunch of drug addicted players. This is no secret. Can’t be Kobe or A.I.those were Teenagers at 1996 😂 Usually when I ask this Michael Jordan fans start the name mostly big man centers & PF 🤦🏽♂️😂 from the 90s. Shaq, Hakeem, Barkley, Ewing etc but in reality, when these big man had the 🏀 Michael Jordan never checked him, But on the offensive, and he will attack them, but on defense, he would hide from them. You see the difference. He was a one trick pony. These guys were not his problem on the defensive end. He didn’t have to worry about them mainly Scottie Pippen, and the bulls big man did the job Michael Jordan job was simply just the score of the 🏀. Because that his position shooting guard Clyde was his Best comp Clyde Played with 0 HOF players in Portland (No help at all) BUT NOW LEBRON COMPETITION SF Kevin Durant ,Kawhi Leonard , Carmelo Anthony ,Paul Pierce PG13, Giannis ( was a SF 2014-2019) Jimmy Butler, etc The list goes on and on throughout his career almost every night LeBron James had his matchup cut out for him and also the team need him to score the team needs him to get his teammates involved. The team need him to also get rebound with Michael Jordan with simply ask the score that’s it. LeBron James faced Dynasties. 5 time Champs San Antonio Spurs. Dirk a top 10 all time scorer. The Goldenstate Warriors who were a 73 Win team and added Kevin Durant and who have the greatest shooting team of All-Times that's who LeBron James had to Face. It's not even close plus he never had a Phil Jackson just rookie coaches. The competition, LeBron, James, and Michael Jordan faced at their positions it is not even close just Kevin Durant and Leonard will cook anybody MJ was facing. 🤷🏽♂️ Facts over feelings. MJ FACED 💩 competition at his position
You can look at their channel, they do this with all "guest segments". They have one video where they ask the guest's their opinion and a 2nd where they discuss it among themselves. It's so they don't interrupt their guest and whatever they are promoting with their own talking points. Really not that deep and pretty standard in radio, podcasts, and TV interview shows.
what are they doing today that they didnt in the 90s? flopping, carrying, traveling? players today arent bigger or more athletic, the video quality is better 33% from 3 is a false equivalent to 50% from 2. if youre shooting 3s, youre not drawing fouls or getting offensive rebounds
Jordan was put on a pedestal because the media was saying LeBron was the GOAT when he clearly wasn't. That's how this started. If the media said LeBron was just an all time great and left it at that, then no one would be bringing up Jordan. But instead people got obsessed with top ten all time lists and now you have this problem. The NFL has the issue with the qb position, but it's not nearly as bad.
Acting like they’re just taking a bunch of different bad clips from other games is funny, because the original “We’re done with the 90s” video was a reaction the the entire first quarter of a finals game😂
@@oooi2848 stop being dense. It’s very clear when you sit down and watch a lot of Jordan’s Comp just weren’t that good. The stars can somewhat be compared through eras but the average players of today are substantially better than the average players from the 80-90s. If you put Durant, Lebron, Curry, Kyire in a 7 game series to be guarded by a 38 year old Jeff hornesek with the illegal defense rule in play they would all average 50 while all playing the game very differently.
@@devinsmart1547 don't be an ignoramus. Jordan played against a ton of good comp, cut it out. Picking the oldest person u can find and saying that is who the stars of today would cook is disingenuous. Same stars that struggle with 50 year old PJ Tucker. Cut it out dude. How many players that played in the 90s into the 2000s have said Jordan would be averaging 40+ today based on the lax defensive rules? There's a reason the NBA is actually talking about changing defensive rules. When u can carry the ball (Poole, Morant, and everyone else) and can take a gather step and take 2.5 more steps after that u can essentially do whatever u want.
@@devinsmart1547 players today are more skilled, if that's what you're saying...as they should be, every generation learns from past generations and improves. But that doesn't necessarily make todays players better than 90s players. You have to add context if you wanna compare eras. The game back then was very different, so the players then adjusted to how the game was being played at that time. If you took a past great player and made him play "now" like he was playing in the past, in most cases the said player would most likely appear less skilled....Or not as good. But if said player was to grow up in the modern era, his game would most likely have developed more towards what is needed today. Just like if you were to take Kyrie from "now" and drop him in a past era, he would most likely appear out of this world good....but if you dropped Kyrie in that era, in the sense that he was born then and played through that era from his childhood through being a pro, his game would've been adjusted to that era, and most likely would've "appeared" just as bad as past players. They key word I used was "appeared", because that's what it is. Most players from past eras, aside from the greats, appear bad because the game was different. Have you watched Magic dribble? He looks funky as hell...but again, keep in mind that back then, any dribble that didn't have your hand completely on top of the ball was considered a carry. Almost any move used today by skilled players to generate their offense, back in the day it would've been called for some kind of violation. Harden? Back in the 80s or early 90s, would never be able to get away with his step back shots or tangle fouls... So while I do agree that players today are more skilled "again, as they should be", that doesn't translate necessarily to modern players/eras being greater than past players/eras. Past players adjusted their game to what was needed and how the game was played then, same with today.
Yesterday's players were bigger, stronger n better. I say this because the majority of those guy can play off the ball, and they definitely played back to backs and 82 games way more than today's players.
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The first thing you noticed in watching 90s basketball is they are. not carrying the basketball
this really shouldnt be a factor in anything
Not a factor in anything also check the AI cross on MJ. He didnt carry there?
No flopping or traveling makes a better Argument. They all carry the ball. Hell they went after a.i. and Stephan Marbury alot on carrying.
Another history revisionist here: bet you want the hand check to come back too right?
I’m a basketball official and I call carry
"The plumber era vs. high skilled era." Guess what? The plumbers are dominating now, Joker and Luka.
That's what kills their more athletic argument. They say guys like Bird sucked when you have two of the least athletic guys dominating today's nba
Joker and Luka aren't plumbers. If you dropped them into the 90s they would be accused of sorcery.
@@MikeBNumba6 draymond greene has more 3s than bird.
A Plummer is mason plumblee not Jokic man 😭
Luka ain't did nothin and Joker only got one chip
No disrespect, but part of the disrespect of the past comes from the constant debates about the GOAT created by sports media. If sports media personalities don’t think they have a role in this they are either in denial or delusional.
they have to keep comparing lebron to mj because nobody is watching anymore. same reason they wont mention the ped use
Nah. Not delusional. Not “delusional.” /
How can a generation that don't play outside and grew up with a phone in their hands be more athletic than the 90s
That’s weird because athletic records are always being broken. It’s an inevitable process it happens with everything else don’t feel bad you don’t need to trash talk everything to prop yourself up.
It’s a troll right?
Luka and Jokic are dominating this so called more athletic era
Curry and Trae Young aren't athletic at all and killing, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, KAT
Riight!
Ball don’t lie…..truest statement ever said !
This era is more skilled and athletic. Joker and Luka just highlight that. We have more bigs and wings who can do more in todays nba.
They are definitely practicing more 3s now, but "more skilled"?
Do we feel like the guys doing tricks in the Rucker were "more skilled" than Jason Kidd?
Are receivers more skilled than running backs?
Do we feel like today's musicians are more skilled than musicians in the 90s too?
Are the movie stars more beautiful, or does it just come down to taste?
They are more skilled because they never get called for carrying, travelling, offensive charges but any defensive efforts including phantom fouls with hard floppings all over included.
Fake skills glorified by unreasonable fanbase picking and choosing what they wanna tork up or what they wanna keep their eyes looking away from.
They never care about true skill nor true fair plays for all.
They do tho
@@mjg6233when? Maybe 1 in 10 games
Bill lambier was floping in the 80's Reggie Miller and Danny Ange was walking Tim Hardaway was carring and Mj got a lot of phantom calls it's not the lack of defense it's just more players with great offense skills instead of 1or2 players on a team now you have damn near 4 or 5 that can get you 20 or better.
Been saying that for damn YEARS NOW! even grandmothers would look skilled in this Era! it's all fake, players of this Era are covering their inability to play basketball with real defense and rules using a fraud platform like a masc on a very ugly woman.
Well said
It's amazing how relevant MJ is. He got an entire generation that never watched him play mad at him 25 years after he's left the sport. All because they are so tired of hearing his greatness and how their fav player don't compare... LOL I've never seen this in the history of american sports that a guy can walk away for so long and be so relevant. Bron doesn't get the hate this guy gets, cause he's getting it retroactively in the most unfair possible way, where he's not even able to go on the court anymore...
exactly
they are actually GROWING his excellence at what he did with their ignorance
To be fair you haven't seen this because there's a clear distinction in the way we receive and deliver information between now and the 90s. The internet and social media create an avenue for a lot of people to voice their opinions and create narratives whether anyone agrees or not. That didn't exist in the transition from the 80s to 90s basketball players.
@@JB-tp6uj the internet didnt exist
people's opinions DID exist so ...
@@JB-tp6uj I’m not just referring to not having seen this in the 90s. I’ve never seen it , even today to anyone else. Whose else is getting hated that was an athlete in the 90s, as people try to change the narrative on his career in year 2024? They doing it cause they sick of hearing about MJ. Dude was too popular and big of a figure to miss out on in life. They pissed… lol
@@DynoGreen313 but people's opinions didn't carry as far as they do today. That's the point. The range and influence that an opinion can have on audiences today far exceeds what it could do in the 90s.
shaq saying he woulda killed wilt is NOT the same thing as what we see today
shaq was IN the nba and compared HIMSELF to an all time great; thats NORMAL
fans NEVER used to disrespect the former greats though as they do now
Mj face 💩 competition especially at his position 🤷🏽♂️
Let me ask you a simple question ? Who was Michael Jordan best competition at his position? SG? Latrell Sprewell, Clyde the Glide, Grant Hill, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson ? MJ was playing all these expansion teams and a bunch of drug addicted players. This is no secret.
Can’t be Kobe or A.I.those were Teenagers at 1996 😂
Usually when I ask this Michael Jordan fans start the name mostly big man centers & PF 🤦🏽♂️😂 from the 90s. Shaq, Hakeem, Barkley, Ewing etc but in reality, when these big man had the 🏀 Michael Jordan never checked him, But on the offensive, and he will attack them, but on defense, he would hide from them. You see the difference. He was a one trick pony. These guys were not his problem on the defensive end. He didn’t have to worry about them mainly Scottie Pippen, and the bulls big man did the job Michael Jordan job was simply just the score of the 🏀. Because that his position shooting guard Clyde was his Best comp Clyde Played with 0 HOF players in Portland (No help at all)
BUT NOW LEBRON COMPETITION SF
Kevin Durant ,Kawhi Leonard , Carmelo Anthony ,Paul Pierce PG13,
Giannis ( was a SF 2014-2019)
Jimmy Butler, etc The list goes on and on throughout his career almost every night LeBron James had his matchup cut out for him and also the team need him to score the team needs him to get his teammates involved. The team need him to also get rebound with Michael Jordan with simply ask the score that’s it. LeBron James faced Dynasties. 5 time Champs San Antonio Spurs. Dirk a top 10 all time scorer. The Goldenstate Warriors who were a 73 Win team and added Kevin Durant and who have the greatest shooting team of All-Times that's who LeBron James had to Face. It's not even close plus he never had a Phil Jackson just rookie coaches.
The competition, LeBron, James, and Michael Jordan faced at their positions it is not even close just Kevin Durant and Leonard will cook anybody MJ was facing. 🤷🏽♂️ Facts over feelings. MJ FACED 💩 competition at his position
Yeah I mean if Shaq played during the 60s he would've been a totally different player. Wilt Chamberlain by far was the most skilled and dominant big man of that era. If you watch Wilt you can see that he was supremely athletic and would've given Shaq fits if he played in the 90s & 2000s. He was 7'1 275 back then and the strongest player in the league. That's pretty much like Shaq weighing 350 in the early 2000s during his 3peat. As great as Shaq was Wilt did everything he did better, better scorer, rebounder, shot blocker, and defender. If we remove rings from the equation he really stands alone in terms of GOAT status. He has numbers that no one will ever touch long after we're all deceased.
@@MoeBeenHooping more br@n s@xual straw man nonsense ---if he was BETTER than jordan he would beaten ALL THOSE TEAMS YOU MENTIONED simple
and its a team sport so you should be asking what TEAMS the bulls faced and what THEIR RECORDS WERE...the answer is the bulls defeated MORE 60 win teams in the playoffs and finals than lebrons teams have
also jordan's bulls NEVER LOST when they finished with the best record; lebron's teams lost TWICE after finishing with the best reord ...66 wins in 09 and 62 wins in 2010 and he FAILED TO REACH THE FINAL BOTH TIMES
and no athlete OR ped supplier like conti has ever said jordan used peds ...
@@rdogletree4543 yeah shaq was just talking... wilt was better most likely but still i can see one player saying "i woulda killed him" kobe even said that about mike so ...
but FANS ??? being so disrespectful? that just ignorance
@@rdogletree4543Whether or not Wilt would’ve stopped Shaq is pure speculation no matter how you slice it Shaq ranks higher
So skilled and athletic that they can't play 65 games. So skilled and athletic that they have team up to win something. So skilled and athletic that they have to be incentivized to compete. So skilled and athletic that they skipped the fundamentals of the game. So skilled and athletic that they don't need to play defense.
Lol I am done with 20s with load management, declining rating and prima dona superstars
Declining rating? LMAO what a clown just take how many views NBA gets.
@jackjax7921 lol did you even check the ratings from the 90s to the 2000s to the 2010s? Lol before calling someone out, make sure you do some research
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@@tashrif46bro you didn't have Phone in 90's now everyone os watching on their phones not on tv are you that stupid
Its so dumb to say 90's were bad come on basketball always was and will be basketball its just different styles of playing it and MJ is the greatest player there ever was and the greatest there ever will be...the end.
Best comment, I say this all the time. I’ve said this time and time again. Basketball is basketball. I’ve seen a bunch of old white men hold their own against D-1 college players in open gyms during the summer
Whats crazy is the players are more athletic faster and stronger but can't play a full season it's crazy to me.
they would flop everytime someone would chuck them and miss half the game with fake injuries!
@marvinroberson8583 exactly they complain about playing 65 games and all this load management. When the players in the 90s that they done with most played all 82 including the playoffs.
theyre not more athletic today, the videos are higher definition
I can’t help but think it’s the mindset of trying to play 15-17 yrs especially with the $ only increasing
The game is more fast paced and puts more wear and tear on the body especially soft tissue..
Everyone needs to hear chris broussard on this topic. He explained it perfectly, basketball is supposed to be played with all 5 players on the court, not this high pick and roll every play bs.
This is why the NFL will always be supreme over the NBA. They will protect their shield and not allow disrespect towards their legends regarding what era they played in.
Bro the fact that it's children that created this trend should tell you a lot
Mj face 💩 competition especially at his position 🤷🏽♂️
Let me ask you a simple question ? Who was Michael Jordan best competition at his position? SG? Latrell Sprewell, Clyde the Glide, Grant Hill, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson ? MJ was playing all these expansion teams and a bunch of drug addicted players. This is no secret.
Can’t be Kobe or A.I.those were Teenagers at 1996 😂
Usually when I ask this Michael Jordan fans start the name mostly big man centers & PF 🤦🏽♂️😂 from the 90s. Shaq, Hakeem, Barkley, Ewing etc but in reality, when these big man had the 🏀 Michael Jordan never checked him, But on the offensive, and he will attack them, but on defense, he would hide from them. You see the difference. He was a one trick pony. These guys were not his problem on the defensive end. He didn’t have to worry about them mainly Scottie Pippen, and the bulls big man did the job Michael Jordan job was simply just the score of the 🏀. Because that his position shooting guard Clyde was his Best comp Clyde Played with 0 HOF players in Portland (No help at all)
BUT NOW LEBRON COMPETITION SF
Kevin Durant ,Kawhi Leonard , Carmelo Anthony ,Paul Pierce PG13,
Giannis ( was a SF 2014-2019)
Jimmy Butler, etc The list goes on and on throughout his career almost every night LeBron James had his matchup cut out for him and also the team need him to score the team needs him to get his teammates involved. The team need him to also get rebound with Michael Jordan with simply ask the score that’s it. LeBron James faced Dynasties. 5 time Champs San Antonio Spurs. Dirk a top 10 all time scorer. The Goldenstate Warriors who were a 73 Win team and added Kevin Durant and who have the greatest shooting team of All-Times that's who LeBron James had to Face. It's not even close plus he never had a Phil Jackson just rookie coaches.
The competition, LeBron, James, and Michael Jordan faced at their positions it is not even close just Kevin Durant and Leonard will cook anybody MJ was facing. 🤷🏽♂️ Facts over feelings. MJ FACED 💩 competition at his position
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It wasn’t children. It was Mike peek he’s actually older if y’all did some damn research
@ ImPapehungry huh? Who?
@@ImPapehungry Well whoever he is he's still probably either a Gen Z or a younger millennial that's a Prince James lover lol
Done with the 90s trend is a smoke screen to change the subject about LeBron being on steroids
And the guy who played 23 years in the violent NFL. Tom Shady. Not only was Tom on steroids he deflated footballs and benefitted directly from spygate. They didn't call him "Psycho Tom" for nothing. Steroids damage your brain.
When they say this Lol
Yall just be making anything up now huh 😂🤦
WE are don’t with the 90s‼️ you will not stop it
We done with Lebalco
Chris, that was a great explanation comparing 90's basketball to the modern game. If you go back and watch classic 90's games on RUclips, you see so much more movement on the court, and so many different combinations of shots, passes, and moves. In the modern game, it's simply a three-point contest and attacking the rim. Casuals say the 90's players 'can't shoot', which is just not true. They were excellent mid-range shooters instead, and didn't take as many threes, but they were knocking down jump shots at will back then.
You'd think 'attacking the rim' would be very entertaining but the rules favor the ball handler so much that it's impossible to stop dribble penetration without fouling. Modern basketball basically has two offensive players standing in both corners at all times as shooters, and they spread the floor so much that the paint is never protected. Even then, there's very few elite shot blockers or rim protectors in the league anymore, when back in the day you had true power forwards and centers 'protecting the paint.' They also eliminated 'hard fouls' as well, which so guys going to the fear have zero fear at all.
I miss back-to-the-basket post-play, passes to the post, mid-range shots, guys moving without the ball, and I also miss the 90's scoring, when every basketball just kind of felt like it was a big deal, and that a 10-point lead in the first half was a massive lead. Teams can be down 15-20 points in the fourth quarter now and just hit a bunch of threes and be immediately back in the game. You lose the electricity and desperation when teams can easily surpass 130 points. At one time in the 90's and early-00s a three-point shot was actually kind of a thrilling play and so cool when marksmen like Reggie Miller, Glen Rice, and Mitch Richmond would knock down 3 or 4 threes a game. Now teams literally attempt over 50 threes a game, and it's guys like Steph curry and James Harden are allowed to take 15 threes a game sometimes. Three-pointers and free throws aren't entertaining basketball.
This dude writing essays 😂, MAN WE DONE WITH 90’S. BIG TRASH!!!
In my life of 42 years, i had never seen as many wide open, set shots, as i do now. The nba is looking a lot like college women's game.
People who saw both play know it's not even close... MJ is by far the goat..
Right
This is what I tell these young heads. I had the benefit of watching MJs career in its entirety and now Lebron’s and I’ve concluded that the debate is fallacious because MJ is the superior player who accomplished more in less time. This doesn’t diminish Lebron’s greatness it just means that he should get comfortable with being number 2!
@@DarrylRascoe I seen both play, love em both to death. Bron is a better player
goat of plumbers. dude played against nba players who cant even dribble lmaooo
Mike is goat of weak players
90s basketball were way more better beautiful thing to watch 5 on 5 fundamental skills .
No it was not!! I've watched tons of full games of 90s ball and it was not pretty to watch. Players couldn't even go left and had no crossover dribble, the paint was clogged and the court had no spacing because no one could shoot, and the defense wasn't even that good like you oldheads say, OVERRATED ERA.
@@wiseandstrong3386 I've watch all the 90s basketball 80s, 2000s as well.Still better name from all the eras who hasn't missed a layup,blown a dunk,travel with the basketball, didn't get a rebound, turn the ball over ,missed a freethrows.
@@GlenroySmithSr Today's era is undoubtedly the best era of basketball, players are more and skilled and talented then they've ever been, most dudes in the 80s and 90s wouldn't even make the league today.
It was great for the era and you get that nostalgic feeling...I always thought Magic and Bird was overrated but older heads think they was art...but just a average NBA bench player is better than a average starter back then so the game is WAY better in 2024
I think u need to go watch again.
This is crazy, we never disrespected players from previous eras ! We understood the greatness and how the game advanced, this is just example of how the generation is entitled and soft and they need to learn some respect for people who set the standards and help build the league that they’re playing in
They're getting disrespected because the media keep shitting on this current era.
LeBronze fans don't know about the standard, all they know is what Old media aka LeMedia programmed into them....🤡 😂
These youngsters are disrespectful. Lebron fans are the worst! They the only ones that have to tear down legends to uplift their team hoppin guy. That alone should tell you who the goat is. MJ & KOBE > Le-Superteam
@@Ap32023Are you implying that parents and coaches are teaching kids to be “soft” when it comes to sports? Most fans that are complaining, why not take the time out of your schedule and go coach AAU, middle school or high school and make your impact in the world. If not, you come across as the old guy that is always negative and nobody wants to be around.
You guys disrespected today's game and get mad when they pull up the tape of the 90s. F you guys. We won. f the 90s we won. LeBron the GOAT. Stop acting innocent like never trash talk today games
What’s “cute” is Shaq thinking he’d “destroy” Wilt.
ITS A MICRO OF A MACRO.
This is a shining example of the oversensitivity, indignant attitude and effeminate nature of the current NBA players, Corp. media and fans alike.
💯
Explain?
100%. Truth!
I like it. Effeminate. And today's generations are overly self-entitled, disrespectful not just in basketball but in general. They think they know everything because of the internet and stuff.
That makes zero sense. We are just tired of the NBA media talking about the 90s like it was this untouchable era and all those players were greater. Everyone looks back at the era with rose colored glasses and people are just showing how flawed it really was.
The craziest statistical gap between the 90s and the current era, to me, is the viewership numbers. More people watched and talked about the NBA in the 90s and by quite a lot. It's just not as compelling to watch a game anymore-especially in the regular season.
I think the 3-ball revolution was smart and very successful for some teams, but when every team in the league is chasing that same ideology, the game becomes a lackluster product on the court and for the fans.
It happens in Soccer too. They mock Pele a lot.
True. And Brazil R9, the real Ronaldo.
Mj face 💩 competition especially at his position 🤷🏽♂️
Let me ask you a simple question ? Who was Michael Jordan best competition at his position? SG? Latrell Sprewell, Clyde the Glide, Grant Hill, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson ? MJ was playing all these expansion teams and a bunch of drug addicted players. This is no secret.
Can’t be Kobe or A.I.those were Teenagers at 1996 😂
Usually when I ask this Michael Jordan fans start the name mostly big man centers & PF 🤦🏽♂️😂 from the 90s. Shaq, Hakeem, Barkley, Ewing etc but in reality, when these big man had the 🏀 Michael Jordan never checked him, But on the offensive, and he will attack them, but on defense, he would hide from them. You see the difference. He was a one trick pony. These guys were not his problem on the defensive end. He didn’t have to worry about them mainly Scottie Pippen, and the bulls big man did the job Michael Jordan job was simply just the score of the 🏀. Because that his position shooting guard Clyde was his Best comp Clyde Played with 0 HOF players in Portland (No help at all)
BUT NOW LEBRON COMPETITION SF
Kevin Durant ,Kawhi Leonard , Carmelo Anthony ,Paul Pierce PG13,
Giannis ( was a SF 2014-2019)
Jimmy Butler, etc The list goes on and on throughout his career almost every night LeBron James had his matchup cut out for him and also the team need him to score the team needs him to get his teammates involved. The team need him to also get rebound with Michael Jordan with simply ask the score that’s it. LeBron James faced Dynasties. 5 time Champs San Antonio Spurs. Dirk a top 10 all time scorer. The Goldenstate Warriors who were a 73 Win team and added Kevin Durant and who have the greatest shooting team of All-Times that's who LeBron James had to Face. It's not even close plus he never had a Phil Jackson just rookie coaches.
The competition, LeBron, James, and Michael Jordan faced at their positions it is not even close just Kevin Durant and Leonard will cook anybody MJ was facing. 🤷🏽♂️ Facts over feelings. MJ FACED 💩 competition at his position
@@MoeBeenHooping Who was Lebron playing at his position? Yeah, thought so.
@@figo007tv No he isn't. R9 is respected by everyone.
Because Pele played in the real plumbers era. He played before the offside era, before the UCL and Premier League. Pele is very overrated.
Rob is absolutely right! I've been saying this for over a year. This tearing down only is happening in NBA basketball. All the other sports NFL, FIFA, Boxing, UFC, Tennis, MLB, NHL, PGA, etc. They all pay homage to those before them, only the NBA since LeBron joined has this happened. Shaq comment is perfect! He thought this, but he never said it to be disrespectful.
It’s Bronsexuals, they’re not tearing down Kareem or bird or magic, it’s MJ because he dominated the 90s and bronsexuals want to discredit that so they can prop up Lebron as the goat, I’m surprised ppl not framing it that way because that’s all it is
@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408 No, it's biased oxymoron like Rob who's doing exactly what he's excusing other of doing and that is tearing down one generation to big up another.
Rob is a biased oxymoron. He is doing exactly what he excuses other people of doing. He literally discredits another one generation just to big the other.
Shiidd Shaq tripping! He couldn’t have stopped the sky hook, Wilt was a big dude with grown man weight on him. He wasn’t just going to do what he wanted.
Y’all do know they have full games of the 90s online. 😅
Exactly
Ion get what that supposed to mean
We can see its trash @@kylonp7311
EXACTLY! It ain't hard to go back and watch. It's just hard to watch. And I grew up in the 80s and 90s!
Folks at like watching Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason play was must see TV
@@sholovesholove4620 but look at who u chose to name they jus wasn’t the 2 best either what about the kemps and shaqs and Hakeem u kno those were 90s players to instead of naming the mid 90s players how about naming the flashy all time great 90s players u could’ve name eweng instead of the 2 role players on the knicks that’s like saying I dnt like watching grant Williams or any Detroit big men of this era instead of naming the Gianni’s and Jokic 😂😂😂😂😂
When fatherless kids realize the men they have crushes on are inferior, you get "We done with the 90s"
Y'all making it personal for no reason.
Inferior in what way exactly!
Damn u riding that hard for ur bf but they are fatherless
@@damianpresha9833 when you disrespect the folks that came before you, you should expect disrespect in return. It's only fair. Keep the same energy 👌
@@damianpresha9833 The hard truth is Jordan fans don't have respect for lebron fans. Jordan fans can't get with the softness and feminine nature of lebron fans. Take it from me as a Jordan fan.
96/97 was not the shorter 3 point line
that was 94/95
Both those seasons had a shorter 3pt line
@@YangoBord it was 93 -94 season and 94-95 season
those 2 seasons had the shorter 3 pt line
@@DynoGreen313 no it was from the 94/95 season to the 96/97 season. It was for 3 seasons
@@DynoGreen313it was 94 to 96 for sure
Shaq is ridiculous on this one, and he definitely would not have destroyed Wilt.
Because MJ himself had respect for the past era's, and so does his fans. Also, Kareem in his prime would've schooled Shaq, just like Hakeem did. No disrespect to the Big Fella.
You missed his point ENTIRELY.
@@ThePopbanks007definitely did not. I said his point was ridiculous. The part about Wilt was really unrelated but I wanted to add that in because it's true in my opinion. I heard his point and I think it's ridiculous.
Offensive fouls in Wilt era, are what Shaq, & Lebron do on a regular. Shaq’s a casual that never watched the full games. Shaq would foul out trying that stuff in Wilt’s era. Anyone who’s watched those games, know that. There are clips on RUclips showing those things were whistled for illegal fouls.
Shaq hasn't said a smart thing in his life... he's just a funnier version of Perk.
I'm a 80s baby and what I think the push back is pretty much is a lot of fans of the 80s and 90s NBA are judging players in this generation negatively because of 50 percent of nostalgia and 50 percent that they don't like that athletes speak their mind , aren't company yes men, and negotiate their contracts to their advantage.
Well said
Exactly
The 2020s era of the entitled, these players today couldn’t bang down in the paint , they took away a lot of the rules for todays players , they travel everywhere now , that to me don’t tell me the ball handling is better it tells me they had to change the rules so they can handle the ball better , lazy no defense but of course the league wants it that way so the players are use to playing that way so many 3s put up it’s a very boring game now the lack of defense killed the game
What rules did they take away ??
@@TR-cg1qv maybe not take away but they don’t enforce traveling these players travel all over the court now and what they call a foul changed
If any of that was a pinch true then you should of made it to the NBA if it's that easy
Defense from the 90's = mma it's not basketball it's less skilled players trying to have money for their drugs addiction and only they know and only they could do is to punch other players. This is not basketball, basketball is sport of skills and fundamentals not martial arts
Ball manipulation, gather steps, and traveling have made scoring a lot easier. This makes the players to appear to be more skilled but it's not true.
People underestimate the rule changes , the defensive rule changes wouldn’t make a lot of the now players look like all stars . Then the offensive rule changes like they allow three step moves, let people carry , moving screens.
The carrying and traveling is ridiculous
What really should be trending is Done with LeBron
True story
You just doing tricks on it at this point
No.
Oh okay well why don't you tell these guys that and that clown Bayless because they're the ones that talk about him every day
Sick of that team hoppin dude.
Jordan fans don't try to bring down LeBron. We just speaking facts. LeBron fans create and make up anything they can to discredit Jordan
Saying Lebron is on steroids is "truth" now?
@@ryankayombya7576yes
Lol😂 it’s the opposite It’s Mj fans who’s started it. I’m a Bron fan & I don’t even hate Mj, I even bought jordan sportswear a lot more & I only bought Bron once.
@ryankayombya7576 yes becuase a group of cysts us now suddenly a tumor. Jdr are the most insecure people in the world
Cap there are multiple channels dedicated to bashing Lebron
The stuff kids say today.. Jordan doesn't have a left?? This is comical !!!!
"But I would say that scoring is easier in the NBA just because of the different rules, the amount of space, the time, so that's why I said it's easier to score in the NBA."
“Everybody says my game looks easy. It’s not easy. Trust me," said Doncic. "But when I said that [about the NBA] many people didn't agree with me. I think now they are starting to agree more and more, but I always say it's because of the rules. The three seconds in the paint in defense is huge, I don't think people realize how huge that is. Because when I'm iso-ing, I watch the defender in the paint because he's got to go out at some point. When he's going out, I try to attack."
- Luka Doncic
It is the Media fault, Always saying the 90s were waay better.its you guys fault..
Facts
NBA media when they hate on the modern era every other segment:😸
NBA media when other people hate on other eras for one week on Tik Tok:😡
No left hand, wtf!?!?! Check out the highlights. He was awesome with the left hand.
No he was not😂😂😂 highlights don't tell you the full story you have to actually watch a full game, all the highlights show is him finishing with his left hand from time to time but not actually dribbling with his left hand.
People actually went back and watched full games and the dude struggled to dribble or attack the defense with his left hand it was bad haha I'm glad y'all oldheads overrated era is getting exposed.
@@wiseandstrong3386 Not an old head. You couldn't be more wrong. Only thing that's being exposed is how stupid and ignorant basketball fans are. You think you're an expert because you watched some TikToks of someone as equally as clueless as you critiquing every detail of Jordan in a game. Hate to break it to you, but anyone can do that with any player in the history of basketball. I could watch a game and critique every action of the best players in the league today and I still see some horrible turnovers, missed shots, airballs, flops, bad defense, etc. ... That's the game. It's not perfect and no player is perfect. Doesn't matter who it is, your favorite player has some lowlights and horrible moments as well that would lead an ignorant/clueless person to believe they aren't skilled, or they can't pass, or they can't defend, or they have no left hand, or something along those lines. You and other basketball fans need to be better.
@@ant4613u gotta lie tuh keep mj weak ass legacy alive cuz it cant stand on its own
Facts. Imagine thinking basketball god Jordan couldn't go left.
@@Bob-te3le He struggled dribbling and attacking with his left hand it's a fact and if you sat down and actually watched a full Jordan game you would quickly realize that.
Even his contemporaries said the game plan against him was to make him go left, look it up Isaiah Thomas and Kenny Smith both say it in interviews here on RUclips, Kenny even said "he had no handle".
It's funny. Old heads like Rob don't like the disrespect. Lol. They threw first punch saying all their lies, that that Era was just so tough and skilled when they were lying. We done! With the 90s bruh!
Nothing says youre wrong like needing a slogan, literal lol at this.
No they're right, people are starting to actually watch full games of 80s and 90s basketball and it's clearly an inferior product compared to modern day basketball just deal with it it's the truth.
Players were far less skilled in the 80s and 90s and that's a fact if you actually sit down and watch a full game from that time. The game has evolved and Players are better and more skilled at the game of basketball then they've ever been.
Come On. Lebron been on those PEDs and this is a distraction. L
@@wiseandstrong3386"just deal with it its the truth" classic adolescent sentence... players are more skilled today nobody is debating that like what? Gd it's 30-40 years later? But the product is clearly not as good I mean that's not even a debate? the stars play 3/5ths the games and when the play spend half the games complaining about calls? Stop it. That reasoning is why Jordan and most goats find the goat debate foolish... the game progresses its about your era.
@@zumptt Then why do dudes in their 40s and 50s say dumb things like "Lebron wouldn't survive in the 90s"!!!! Which is just an absolute joke to anyone with any basketball knowledge and who actually watches full games from then and now knows Lebron would shut the league down in the 90s, or they say "defense was better in the 90s no one plays defense in the modern NBA!!!".When after watching a few games the defense back then was not better whatsoever the defense of the 90s was so overrated it made me laugh watching it. Scoring is so much higher now because guys are better at putting the ball in the basket now then they were then it's that simple
This trend is just pushback against these false narratives from the younger generation.
And how is the product better then? Have you actually sat down and watched a full 90s game? I've watched many Bulls games from the 90s and all Jordan did was complain to the refs, in fact he was known to be coddled by the refs by his contemporaries. Modern basketball is prettier to watch, the game now has better spacing and shooting, the players are far more skilled and the games are funner to watch because of that, the skill level is so much higher.
@@zumpttall the players are better and more skilled but that doesn’t mean they are as good. Are you hearing yourself?
MJ has the highest usage of all time over people like Russ harden and Luka. He never played off bal a day in his life.
if 90s was so basic in skills, why can nobody still do what Jordan was doing? I still dont see anyone with the same or even close elevation+airtime+acrobatics+power, even someone like Kemp, no one dunks like him in today's league....no one.
Lol no one dunk like him? That is trure because they are better dunkers
Only one close was Kobe. The rest are trash.
@@smoothgent1011LOL. Yeah ok.
@@Bob-te3le MJ is not a better drunker then Vince
Zach Lavine, Aaron Gordon, Vince Carter, Gerald Green etc etc were/are better dunkers than Jordan
Shaq didn't have no jumper barely hit hook shots on consistant basis he was just bigger than everyone else
I’m wondering if y’all, FS1, talked about Lebron’s PED allegations this much?
He’s been getting allegations for years with no real proof to back it up
Let me let you in on a secret! If you have 3 different people calling you out about using PED’s, you’re allowed to sue them for defamation and ruining his character. Have you notice, considering LeBalco is the biggest diva in the league and interjects anytime anyone says anything about him. Well why hasn’t he said anything? Or why hasn’t he threatened to sue? Because they can prove it!! Or start an investigation and he doesn’t need eyes on this stuff!!
@@datsapaddlin … fantasyland
He’s been in the league 21 years and never tested positive that’s why. Until he comes up with a positive test you can’t falsely accuse someone. How would you like saying you committed a crime with no proof. The hate is strong.
@@ricardobernard9159I’m sure they’ve been testing for the right substances non stop 😂 😂😂😂😂
Imagine disrespecting previous eras in order to prop up your favorite player... Michael Jeffrey Jordan fans would never!
That's not true at all. I'm old enough to have lived through a time when the players and fans of the 70s and 80s were not on board with elevating Jordan. Many eventually came on board reluctantly, but some still don't care for Jordan to this day.
@@JB-tp6uj Is that you Isiah Thomas?
Jordan fans literally diminish and disrespect players all the time, what are you talking about, I believe he's the goat but if someone has Lebron, Kobe, Kareem, or whoever I don't get upset but a lot of these dudes be in their feelings when someone has a different option. I don't know why you posted this even a blind man knows thats cap 🧢😂
Go to bed skip
@@commonsense9908 lol, yeah he's an example. Ditto for Clyde Drexler. But even some guys before them still have players like Dr. J, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, or Bill Russell as their GOATs. And Jordan fans would tear those guys down to elevate him back in the day.
*Larry* *Bird*
MVPs: 3
Finals MVPs: 2
Rings: 3
All-NBA First Teams: 10
All-Star Selections: 12
All-Star MVPs: 1
Rookie of the Year: 1
NBA Three-Point Contest wins: 3
Points Total: 21,791
*Karl* *Malone*
MVPs: 2
Finals MVPs: 0
Rings: 0
All-NBA First Teams: 11
All-Star Selections: 14
All-Star MVPs: 2
Points Total: 36,928
Shouldn’t Karl Malone rank higher than Larry Bird since he played 6 seasons longer and nearly 600 games more than him? Doesn’t Karl have a higher point total, more First Team selections, and a higher FG% and RPG like LeBron does over Jordan? But nobody in their right mind will ever have Karl Malone over Larry Bird or Magic Johnson who only played 12.5 seasons due to his HIV.
LeBALCO stans keep losing these debates and now they’re reaching an all-time low by discrediting the 90s! Next thing you know, A.C. Green is better than Tracy McGrady or Yao Ming because he kept himself always available like Cal Ripken Jr. So why isn’t Vince Carter higher than Iverson? Didn’t Vince play 22 seasons to Iverson’s 14? I thought longevity is the end-all and be-all for these arguments?
Some BSPN morons on TV are saying LeBron is the most accomplished player ever. How? When Kareem held that scoring leader title for damn near 40 years, nobody was saying he was the GOAT over Jordan. Only when LeJuice does it is when morons on TV will say he is. Check the numbers.
*Michael* *Jordan*
MVPs: 5
Finals MVPs: 6
Rings: 6
All-NBA First Teams: 10
All-Defensive First Teams: 9
Defensive Player of the Year: 1
Rookie of the Year: 1
Scoring titles: 10
Steals titles: 3
All-Star MVPs: 3
All-Star Selections: 14
NBA Slam Dunk Contest wins: 2
Points Total: 32,292
*LeBron* *James*
MVPs: 4
Finals MVPs: 4
Rings: 4
All-NBA First Teams: 13
All-Defensive First Teams: 5
Rookie of the Year: 1
Scoring titles: 1
Assist titles: 1
All-Star MVPs: 3
All-Star Selections: 20
Points Total: 40,036
So LeBron played longer than Jordan by about 6 seasons and 400 games more but still has LESS hardware than MJ? And people are saying he’s the more accomplished player? 🤣
LeBron James is the Michael Jordan (GOAT) of never being as great as the real Michael Jordan. I once read that from a hat and I laughed knowing it’s true. LeBron is the GOAT at never being the GOAT.
He just described 5 man basketball as being able to pass in the post and set a screen and said today’s players can’t do that. My God he doesn’t know basketball.
The fact that media are scared to talk about the obsession of LJ to become the GOAT and his effort to discredit everyone on his way is beyond and above. Too much censorship
Lmao 🤣 The media and haters bring up the GOAT Nonsense 😂
@@davidsistrunk7795 EXACTLY!!!
That's all the way around, mj fans are obsessed of the goat debate they are brainwashing the people and discrediting the lebron on his greatness we get it mj played in the weaker era and lesser talent thats why he's great in the 90s.
@@ryukosukuno4473 Deflection 101!
What the hell is this done with the 90's crap about? 😂😂😂 best decade for everything in human history
80's and 90's were the Two best Decades in World history.
Naw, that's the 80s my friend.
@ericarmstrong8561 men with make up and electronic music? No thanks. 80's were good because of us that was born in them
you mean west ? asian countries are sht . how about balkans and africa ? the world doesnt revolve in us of a just saying. also most nba players back then cant dribble lmaooo
@KingJaffeJoffer99 Music is worse today and this age men are fruitier than ever.
We didn't disrespect the prior generations even tho I knew my generation(late 80s) was more exciting to watch. I think the NBA has passed its peak which was the end of Golden States first 3 chips 2018
“Bring back the 90s”
"Ball handling is better since you can carry", WTF?. Just think how good QB protection will be when they let you hold.
The only reason people are saying they are done with the 90s cause they know 90s era was way more physical and tougher today’s nba soft as a napkin
Being a older guy myself they need to just admit they can't let go of their childhood heros lol. To refuse to admit the game has evolved is crazy and clearly bias. I was a Bruce Lee fan boy, but to say he could beat up the average mma fighter of today would be crazy. Jordan was amazing, but he also didn't have anyone that could match his athletic ability and he was amazing in the mid range. But they need to stop pretending like Jordan played tough teams and got beat up all the time. He's the reason superstar calls became a thing and you weren't allowed to touch him since he was the face of the nba. Crazy how people forget that to protect Jordan's toughness lol. They change the bar of what makes someone the best to make sure Jordan stays number 1 in everyone's eyes. They kill LeBron if he doesn't make the finals, or playoffs, and make it seem like Jordan one the finals and made it there every season lol. Jordan would hate today's media if he played lol
Bingo- MJ's biggest advantage was his athleticism and today he wouldnt have that same advantage. It is that simple.
LeBalco Ramone James
You notice how they don't cover all these people blasting LeBron for being on steroids
Micheal juadince Jordan Micheal juiced
@@Tay-vr3bethat literally made no sense! I award zero points and you have the IQ of a walnut
@@KeepTheKeishasAway Probably because it's not true 😂🤦, Funny seeing you here, thought we went over this already, but since you wanna go there again, what about Jordan's steroids use?
He's my goat, if yall want to keep trying to push this pathetic narrative, then let's go all after everybody.
@@TheJohnWick1I don't think the owner of balco is lying, I'll be waiting for the lawsuit from LeBron you have a link😂😂😂😂
Today's NBA you still don't see the high fly dunks from the 90s
No such thing as you didnt see him play with footage and technology
This a prime example of why these kids are creating this trend
That hate because Jordan is the Goatest of GOATS!!! PERIOD!!!!!
We done wit the 90s!!!😂😂😂
Basically
That's your opinion. It's not a fact .Bill Russell had more rings.
You spelled Kareem abdul jabbar wrong
Not only is LeBron better then Michael Jordan but Kobe is better then Michael Jordan
They hate Michael Jordan, but consistently buy his shoes to the point that they sell out every release. Not just old heads buying his shoes. 🤣. I think that speaks to this generations non sensical thought process 😂
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one, but I never bought a pair of Jordans in my life.
@@focuz4899 Ok? Lol
Buying Jordan’s at this point has nothing to do with him personally. They’re some of the best looking shoes out here to the point where women and kids who never saw him play or could care less about him still wear the shoes. S/o to Nike for making a great shoe because I promise you if Jordan’s were made by under armor, they wouldn’t hit the same
@Apocalypse2031 Okay
@@focuz4899me either..very overrated shoes..it’s douchy at this point
For me basketball in the 90s was awesome and 80s for that matter. The great players played almost every night and the playoffs. Didn’t get hurt as much and grew the game. The Dream Team was a rock and roll show for a reason
Yall complained about the game FOR YEARS.
Y’all told young people go watch film.
They watched film, wasn’t impressed, and now WE DONE WIT THE 90s. Go cry yourself to sleep
"He doesn't know what to do unless the balls is in his hands" ayoo pause
Anyone who says Jordan has no left hand has not watched him play at all.
“We done with 90s “really mean than “We don’t want to talk about the PEDs” 😂
Something I’ve noticed is when watching college basketball it feels the same as watching it in the past but the nba feels so much different.
cause the NBA lowered the Rims in 2005 - til now. There is no set standard on the rims now. Here in the last few weeks they raised the rims back to 10 but loosened them some though. The dunks look better on real legit 10 foot rims.
@@JimBrave-ri1oc good point 👍🏻
Excellent take Rob and Chris
Ever since I heard Chael Sonnen tell us the recipe I been smoking Balco mixed with grand daddy Kush.
Ball handling is better because they let you cheat smh
Everyone underrated d wade kobe mj ball handling....and overrate lebron kd kyrie and curry
I mean 90s players and media members have spent the last 20 years disrespecting this era and this era players, so I think some pushback upon review of the actual games is warrented.
I’ll let you in on a secret! Players in this era wouldn’t be making anything and the sport would be on lifeline if it wasn’t for the 80’s & 90’s. So these dorks should handle the criticism! Because the product has become garbage! You’d think with players who have way more athleticism you’d see a better product!
@HZB_33 Why are you talking as if its players responding its fans 😂
@@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON. brother! Where you been? There’s tons of podcast where players are trashing previous eras! Cmon bro
@@HZB_33 What is trashing? Backing your era? Reality is every era does it Wilt did it to Jordan in 97. This cycle been going on for a long time. It ain't new
@@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON. Nah, the disrespect today is worse than ever.
They can be done with the 90s all they want, fans are almost done with the CURRENT NBA period ... Nobody barely watches anymore
Does Shaq understand he didn't dominate Tim Duncan. Why would he think he can dominate Wilt.
There doesn’t need to be a “we done with the modern era” because sports fans already told you they done😂 We seeing some of the lowest ratings for NBA broadcasts ever! Nobody has had anything good to say about the NBA in years😂😂😂
Are you all that stupid, i didn't miss 1 game of the nba and i didn't turn my tv on in a 2 months, i mean you are just acting stupid or i don't know
This isnt a Jordan Lebron thing.. its about the old head media guys allways downgrading todays players and up grading the 90s
It’s just as much if not more the opposite direction. Because people can’t handle that some of the best players of all time still retired a decade or more ago. Not all, but some of the best. Guys like Luka said it’s easier to score in the nba than Europe. Defense is softer now. That’s what gets trashed and downgraded because it’s true. People aren’t trashing the players themselves individually as much the defense and rule easing all around.
For players like Luka and Embid they had their scoring averages increase 3-4 points each between the 2021-22 and the 2022-23 seasons. It’s not a coincidence; they didn’t both simultaneously become instantly much better scorers that summer.
No, the NBA continued to soften on defense, the refs called the game to favor offense, etc. to allow them to look even better as offensive players and for players like Lebron to more easily maintain their stat lines from ten years ago.
It’s bad marketing for the nba when most people know the best player ever retired over 2 decades ago, so they gotta level the playing field by jacking up offense beyond belief over defense, barely calling travels, etc.
And guys play less games now for more money better tech more injuries than ever but better athletically oxymoron and when they get a bruise shut it down the players of the 90's plyed with a different type of grit grind no complaining
Agree!!!!
Who is being downgraded and where should they be?
LeBron is nearly universally recognized as a top 3 player all-time with the majority saying he's #2. Steph is nearly universally recognized as a fringe top 10 player all-time. KD is widely regarded as a top 15ish player all-time. People are already putting Giannis and Jokic in the top 20 convo. Westbrook, Harden, AD, Dame, CP3, and Kawhi were all named Top 75 players all-time. Most people acknowledge Luka will be an all-time great, once his accolades start to catch his talent.
Like, who's not getting their flowers??? Jayson Tatum?😅 I legitimately get confused when people say this.
You think those kids are that deep? No they flat out hate the 90s because their GOAT was a perennial loser in the finals.
against the knicks baseline spun out the double team left handed and slammed it right!
That’s still the best play in nba history lol
Rob and Chris are the problem and Shaq was spot on. I'm 41 and grew up in Chicago being a Bulls fan. The problem i see is the older generation doesn't embrace this generation. You're telling people to not believe their lying eyes..... basketball SHOULD be better now. All i hear are excuses! So did carrying the ball have an effect on people in the 90s not having a left handle? The 90s was the most iso heavy era. Also the similar 3 point percentage argument is dumb because the more you take the higher the chance for it to go down. So today's players are still better shooters. We NEED to be done with the 90s!
Facts. I'm old and I can't bring myself to lie to my kids about what I watched growing up. It was great but man it's not the greatest. There were major flaws with offense, defense, league wide talent. Imagine trying to make up stuff that is available to be viewed in its entirety wherever you're at online on your phone.
@edwardcoward1062 what's funny is that they say this "disrespect" of the past only happens in basketball. But other sports past stars acknowledge how their sport has improved. Hall of famer Wayne Gretzky himself said he wouldn't make an NHL team today. When have you ever heard an acknowledgment from Barkley or any of them like that? They would rather chastise this generation even though we are seeing shooting and game play on otherworldly levels. Most of those guys would literally be unplayable today......
If they're done with the 90s....stop wearing Jordans
You find this in hip hop, too.
Mj face 💩 competition especially at his position 🤷🏽♂️
Let me ask you a simple question ? Who was Michael Jordan best competition at his position? SG? Latrell Sprewell, Clyde the Glide, Grant Hill, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson ? MJ was playing all these expansion teams and a bunch of drug addicted players. This is no secret.
Can’t be Kobe or A.I.those were Teenagers at 1996 😂
Usually when I ask this Michael Jordan fans start the name mostly big man centers & PF 🤦🏽♂️😂 from the 90s. Shaq, Hakeem, Barkley, Ewing etc but in reality, when these big man had the 🏀 Michael Jordan never checked him, But on the offensive, and he will attack them, but on defense, he would hide from them. You see the difference. He was a one trick pony. These guys were not his problem on the defensive end. He didn’t have to worry about them mainly Scottie Pippen, and the bulls big man did the job Michael Jordan job was simply just the score of the 🏀. Because that his position shooting guard Clyde was his Best comp Clyde Played with 0 HOF players in Portland (No help at all)
BUT NOW LEBRON COMPETITION SF
Kevin Durant ,Kawhi Leonard , Carmelo Anthony ,Paul Pierce PG13,
Giannis ( was a SF 2014-2019)
Jimmy Butler, etc The list goes on and on throughout his career almost every night LeBron James had his matchup cut out for him and also the team need him to score the team needs him to get his teammates involved. The team need him to also get rebound with Michael Jordan with simply ask the score that’s it. LeBron James faced Dynasties. 5 time Champs San Antonio Spurs. Dirk a top 10 all time scorer. The Goldenstate Warriors who were a 73 Win team and added Kevin Durant and who have the greatest shooting team of All-Times that's who LeBron James had to Face. It's not even close plus he never had a Phil Jackson just rookie coaches.
The competition, LeBron, James, and Michael Jordan faced at their positions it is not even close just Kevin Durant and Leonard will cook anybody MJ was facing. 🤷🏽♂️ Facts over feelings. MJ FACED 💩 competition at his position
@@MoeBeenHooping Troll, you said thi bullshit already. Go play in traffic.
@@MoeBeenHoopingninja u gy
Do you? Tupac and biggie still get praised. I never seen anyone call them overrated
Michael Jordan and Tom Brady were the Goats .. at GETTING THE MOST CALLS!
Our memories?!?!?!!? Its actual FILM... what are they talkin about??? 😂😂😂
Using that shooting percentage is wild....the fact that its the same but so many different people shoot now and they shoot way more 3s now means the shooting is better
and it's way more possessions in todays game, and it's different shot clock rules that speed up the game even more
Unless defense is same, spacing is same, we can’t say shooting is better. That’s common sense. You can not close out on a shooter, or guard a shooter as closely, or off ball player as physically. You also can travel more, push off more, illegal screen more, carry more. It’s just common sense.
@@honorfirst7506defense is harder cuza zone defense... shooting is better cuza obvious reasons... u never not close out on shooters in dis era an not get cook'd... they barely contested by jumpin inda 90s... stop da cap
@@honorfirst7506Just watch the 90s games, players only shot the 3 if they were wide open so they took much easier shots than are taken now
Exactly
Isnt it IRONIC that MJ was able to score all those pt, win many awards, championships, less all star help ALL with "no left hand"
Luka, Trae, Curry, Joker, Markannen, Sabonis avg 26" vertical and yet are some of the best scorers and all-around guys in the league lmfao
I have never heard of this "trend" and I'm glad.
I'm just waiting on these guys to address Lebron being accused of PEDs lol. Like why is mainstream media afraid to address the Roid God
Nike/NBA are powerful and they money long.. they know Bron cheating it’s gon really come out when he retires
Exactly, they are trying their best to ignore it LOL
Only in basketball & Hip Hop do they disrespect their predecessors.
Nope. Maybe pay attention to what the other leagues and genres do smart guy
Two segments on it really shows they are genuinely threatened by people actually pulling up the tape rather than just allowing them to blindly agree with each other😂
threatened by what? in another 10 years the NBA will still be trying to find the next jordan. dominate players of other sports are called the jordan of their sport.
Mj face 💩 competition especially at his position 🤷🏽♂️
Let me ask you a simple question ? Who was Michael Jordan best competition at his position? SG? Latrell Sprewell, Clyde the Glide, Grant Hill, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson ? MJ was playing all these expansion teams and a bunch of drug addicted players. This is no secret.
Can’t be Kobe or A.I.those were Teenagers at 1996 😂
Usually when I ask this Michael Jordan fans start the name mostly big man centers & PF 🤦🏽♂️😂 from the 90s. Shaq, Hakeem, Barkley, Ewing etc but in reality, when these big man had the 🏀 Michael Jordan never checked him, But on the offensive, and he will attack them, but on defense, he would hide from them. You see the difference. He was a one trick pony. These guys were not his problem on the defensive end. He didn’t have to worry about them mainly Scottie Pippen, and the bulls big man did the job Michael Jordan job was simply just the score of the 🏀. Because that his position shooting guard Clyde was his Best comp Clyde Played with 0 HOF players in Portland (No help at all)
BUT NOW LEBRON COMPETITION SF
Kevin Durant ,Kawhi Leonard , Carmelo Anthony ,Paul Pierce PG13,
Giannis ( was a SF 2014-2019)
Jimmy Butler, etc The list goes on and on throughout his career almost every night LeBron James had his matchup cut out for him and also the team need him to score the team needs him to get his teammates involved. The team need him to also get rebound with Michael Jordan with simply ask the score that’s it. LeBron James faced Dynasties. 5 time Champs San Antonio Spurs. Dirk a top 10 all time scorer. The Goldenstate Warriors who were a 73 Win team and added Kevin Durant and who have the greatest shooting team of All-Times that's who LeBron James had to Face. It's not even close plus he never had a Phil Jackson just rookie coaches.
The competition, LeBron, James, and Michael Jordan faced at their positions it is not even close just Kevin Durant and Leonard will cook anybody MJ was facing. 🤷🏽♂️ Facts over feelings. MJ FACED 💩 competition at his position
@@Zee006_ Mj face 💩 competition especially at his position 🤷🏽♂️
Let me ask you a simple question ? Who was Michael Jordan best competition at his position? SG? Latrell Sprewell, Clyde the Glide, Grant Hill, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson ? MJ was playing all these expansion teams and a bunch of drug addicted players. This is no secret.
Can’t be Kobe or A.I.those were Teenagers at 1996 😂
Usually when I ask this Michael Jordan fans start the name mostly big man centers & PF 🤦🏽♂️😂 from the 90s. Shaq, Hakeem, Barkley, Ewing etc but in reality, when these big man had the 🏀 Michael Jordan never checked him, But on the offensive, and he will attack them, but on defense, he would hide from them. You see the difference. He was a one trick pony. These guys were not his problem on the defensive end. He didn’t have to worry about them mainly Scottie Pippen, and the bulls big man did the job Michael Jordan job was simply just the score of the 🏀. Because that his position shooting guard Clyde was his Best comp Clyde Played with 0 HOF players in Portland (No help at all)
BUT NOW LEBRON COMPETITION SF
Kevin Durant ,Kawhi Leonard , Carmelo Anthony ,Paul Pierce PG13,
Giannis ( was a SF 2014-2019)
Jimmy Butler, etc The list goes on and on throughout his career almost every night LeBron James had his matchup cut out for him and also the team need him to score the team needs him to get his teammates involved. The team need him to also get rebound with Michael Jordan with simply ask the score that’s it. LeBron James faced Dynasties. 5 time Champs San Antonio Spurs. Dirk a top 10 all time scorer. The Goldenstate Warriors who were a 73 Win team and added Kevin Durant and who have the greatest shooting team of All-Times that's who LeBron James had to Face. It's not even close plus he never had a Phil Jackson just rookie coaches.
The competition, LeBron, James, and Michael Jordan faced at their positions it is not even close just Kevin Durant and Leonard will cook anybody MJ was facing. 🤷🏽♂️ Facts over feelings. MJ FACED 💩 competition at his position
You can look at their channel, they do this with all "guest segments". They have one video where they ask the guest's their opinion and a 2nd where they discuss it among themselves.
It's so they don't interrupt their guest and whatever they are promoting with their own talking points. Really not that deep and pretty standard in radio, podcasts, and TV interview shows.
@@MoeBeenHoopingAll the guys you mentioned as Brons competition played ZERO defense except Jimmy and Kawhi. Melo??? 😂 Really???
what are they doing today that they didnt in the 90s? flopping, carrying, traveling?
players today arent bigger or more athletic, the video quality is better
33% from 3 is a false equivalent to 50% from 2. if youre shooting 3s, youre not drawing fouls or getting offensive rebounds
Y’all tear down lebron everyday but we can’t criticize Jordan lmaoo mj fans sensitive asf
We're done with the 90's
This problem is started by networks like this that put Jordan on a pedestal and act like he had no weaknesses/teammates
He had no weaknesses in his personal game they didn't lie
We all know Lebum James has many weaknesses
@@lucianodadon7822he was a horrible 3 point shooter
Jordan was put on a pedestal because the media was saying LeBron was the GOAT when he clearly wasn't.
That's how this started. If the media said LeBron was just an all time great and left it at that, then no one would be bringing up Jordan.
But instead people got obsessed with top ten all time lists and now you have this problem.
The NFL has the issue with the qb position, but it's not nearly as bad.
Cant go left😂😂😂😂😂😂@@lucianodadon7822
Old people taking the joke way too serious
Because they were kids before like I’m sure this generation is going to get old they going to protect the same way
@@madot09 This generation will not grow old.
@@commonsense9908 wtf I'm let that be 😂
I blame the hot take phenomenon, The GOAT debate, and Klutch sports paying pundits to tear down MJ to bolster up LeBron.
We Doneeeeeee with the 90s! 😂
Acting like they’re just taking a bunch of different bad clips from other games is funny, because the original “We’re done with the 90s” video was a reaction the the entire first quarter of a finals game😂
Same can be done for multiple finals games in the 2000s but we r done with the 2000s folks ain't got time to waste
@@oooi2848 stop being dense. It’s very clear when you sit down and watch a lot of Jordan’s Comp just weren’t that good. The stars can somewhat be compared through eras but the average players of today are substantially better than the average players from the 80-90s. If you put Durant, Lebron, Curry, Kyire in a 7 game series to be guarded by a 38 year old Jeff hornesek with the illegal defense rule in play they would all average 50 while all playing the game very differently.
@@devinsmart1547 don't be an ignoramus. Jordan played against a ton of good comp, cut it out. Picking the oldest person u can find and saying that is who the stars of today would cook is disingenuous. Same stars that struggle with 50 year old PJ Tucker. Cut it out dude. How many players that played in the 90s into the 2000s have said Jordan would be averaging 40+ today based on the lax defensive rules? There's a reason the NBA is actually talking about changing defensive rules. When u can carry the ball (Poole, Morant, and everyone else) and can take a gather step and take 2.5 more steps after that u can essentially do whatever u want.
@@devinsmart1547 players today are more skilled, if that's what you're saying...as they should be, every generation learns from past generations and improves. But that doesn't necessarily make todays players better than 90s players. You have to add context if you wanna compare eras. The game back then was very different, so the players then adjusted to how the game was being played at that time. If you took a past great player and made him play "now" like he was playing in the past, in most cases the said player would most likely appear less skilled....Or not as good. But if said player was to grow up in the modern era, his game would most likely have developed more towards what is needed today.
Just like if you were to take Kyrie from "now" and drop him in a past era, he would most likely appear out of this world good....but if you dropped Kyrie in that era, in the sense that he was born then and played through that era from his childhood through being a pro, his game would've been adjusted to that era, and most likely would've "appeared" just as bad as past players.
They key word I used was "appeared", because that's what it is. Most players from past eras, aside from the greats, appear bad because the game was different. Have you watched Magic dribble? He looks funky as hell...but again, keep in mind that back then, any dribble that didn't have your hand completely on top of the ball was considered a carry. Almost any move used today by skilled players to generate their offense, back in the day it would've been called for some kind of violation. Harden? Back in the 80s or early 90s, would never be able to get away with his step back shots or tangle fouls...
So while I do agree that players today are more skilled "again, as they should be", that doesn't translate necessarily to modern players/eras being greater than past players/eras. Past players adjusted their game to what was needed and how the game was played then, same with today.
@@xxtopgunxx8764 ain’t nobody reading all the that. Glad we agree players are better today.
Chris says today they don’t play team ball and then names off 3 teams that play great team ball lmao. So full of it.
And In the 90s teams didn’t move, the big men never left the paint
no 3 sec rule back then idiot@@dadillonful
Broussard be on point lol
Yet, players of the 90s played more games. Make it make sense.
Yesterday's players were bigger, stronger n better. I say this because the majority of those guy can play off the ball, and they definitely played back to backs and 82 games way more than today's players.