Not that it matters but I did the calculation for the rough numbers you gave in the video. Calculated their density buoyancy and terminal velocity (for a range of reasonable drag coefficients if you're superman or feet first toothpick) in the water at 80lbs of gear. Basically, they can tread water BETTER THAN ANY HUMAN. But if no one in their chain of command can do math and the ladder is slippery they die... here's the rough numbers: Humans are nearly neutral buoyancy 1gram per cubic cm... 1g/cc... gear is metal and composite materials and is probably on average ~4g/cc-5g/cc. So a 6 foot 1g/cc 220lb seal carrying 80lbs of gear @ 5g/cc is going to have the equivalent density of a 300lb sandstone boulder... Throw that boulder overboard and watch how fast it sinks... it's a bit more than 3m/s or 10ft/s... In 5s you're between 30 ft and 50 ft (depending on your drag coefficient). If you pop your CO2 cartridge the second you hit the water by the time it inflates the vest you're already nearly at 30 ft a depth where the water pressure @+1atm means your floatation devices can only support about half the load... Meaning if you're wearing as much crap as those seals and you don't pop your cartridge A SECOND BEFORE you hit the water you're cutting straps @50ft and sinking. Better hope your knife skills are faster than your sink rate... in less than 10 seconds you're approaching pressures that are physiologically challenging. Recommend 3x the CO2...per vest... 1pull 2 pull 3pull design tougher seams on the vest... 4atm is 120psi... a bit dangerous if your vest pops... could be prevented by a blowoff valve that releases pressure as you rise (straightforward fitting low failurerate) ... FWIW I'm a physicist but only put 30min of research into this but it is feasible ... fwd to devgru or big navy if you know those guys. There's no reason this can't be made to work reliably with off the shelf tech. No reason any sailor should die under these circumstances in 2024. Heck multi pull systems would at least give you redundancy!
It’s more of a helping your teammate/swim buddy mind set before even thinking about the dangerous conditions. He might have immediately just instinctively jumped in after his teammate without even thinking.
@@Kh2456 it's called beign a red blooded human. EGO is the self. this was a stupid but selfless act. do you even know the meaning of the words you type?
His personality is the best. Dry humor his smooth cadence the whole sha bang dude has it going on. Its about time the BS is brought to light kids take every word these dudes say as gospel. Really like to see a video on DJ Shipley. That dude and GBRS are the biggest snakes slithering in the social meadia seal teams
I'm wondering if that's what the US Marines use too? This is what I don't understand, my co-worker was a US Marine, he dropped in the water from helicopters while wearing a full kit and he said the life jackets damn near made the top half of his ass cheeks above water, just enough to not topple over, while wearing all the gear with prop wash from the helicopter, do Navy Seals not have this?
@@mogwaiman6048 My dad signed the check for the company that makes the life jackets for the Seals, they're packed in & about the size of your forearm, so much so it's like wearing suspenders (once they touch water they expand). Civilians can't even buy the current ones. That would be a lack of leadership if they were told they didn't need to wear them.
@@princegobi5992were they wearing them or did they have them stored on their person? Shedding all your gear or hitting the water and scrambling to put them on can take a little bit, potentially a team leadership issue for not ensuring all the guys don’t have them on instead of just on hand. Finding them in the water and not finding them attached it sounds more like just having them stored and not on.
Jake you spoke to me thru this program. I'm not seal, marine or veteran. I'm 43 and you lit the fire under my arse to get my g.e.d thank you for just being you and showing the world how much more effort we all can put back into our lives.
You can definitely do it. You used correct spelling and punctuation in your post, which is better than many ppl in yt comments. I wish you all the best. You meet good ppl in the education system too. It's thoroughly worth the effort you put in
Infantry 101: If you are operating anywhere near water above your head, then everything in your ruck sack or assault ruck goes in a tightly tied off waterproof bag that is placed upside down in the ruck. The bigger the ruck sack, the more buoyancy you get.
This was painful to listen to. Painful to hear step by step how two men drowned, and painful to hear how the Seals became a clown show when doing what should be their bread and butter. Leadership heads should roll.
The fact is Jake is correct: on a Ranger team, we continually train as one fall, you step forward and continue the fight, or you will be laying next to him; you have to have time to either kill the enemy or continue to suppress the enemy, to get the whole team in. He's right. We fight hard and play hard! Rangers lead the way
The first thing they teach for patient care in SOCM/SFMS (Special Operations Combat Medic/Special Forces Medical Sergeant Course) was to return effective fire and even use bodies for limited cover if you could.
Regular Navy guy, part of VBSS team, we had some training nothing close to Seal Training, we were out there boarding ships in our coveralls, boon dockers and weapons. Not that much weight but climbing up the side of a ship from a zodiac on a rope ladder in rough seas in the Persian Gulf makes you think about your life choices, thankfully we never had any accidents. I can’t imagine being loaded down with a bunch of gear.
Just a blue-collar guy here who's probably spent years on a ladder, in net hours actually on the ladder. Contractors' and DIYers' ladders are leaned up against a building, so that your center of gravity is directly above the rung you're standing on. A rope ladder, aside from moving around, hangs vertically, so that your center of gravity is out over air. OVER AIR. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Carrying 80 lbs. up a standard ladder, you can lean into the ladder, and just keep pushing with your legs, like going up really steep stairs with a hand rail for guidance. With a vertical ladder, and especially a rope ladder, you cannot just stand on a rung in any normal kind of standing. Instead of really steep stairs, it's more like rock climbing. Now, imagine that the rocks are moving. -- I just posted this for the guys who have some normal-ladder experience and think this rope ladder is the same thing. -- When I was carrying 80 lbs. up a ladder, it was mostly on my shoulder (a bundle of roof shingles). Putting it in a rucksack locates it away from the ladder and moves the center of gravity away from a vertical ladder. This adds to the strength and control required to make it to the top. -- Yeah, training is definitely required to prepare for this kind of stuff. And for anyone with a susceptibility to vertigo, at least every few months. The vertigo can go away (mostly) in about 3 or 4 weeks of working at height, but after 6-12 months without it, it comes right back. Swooning on a ladder is not a good thing.
This reminds me of Panama when the SEALs took a mission to execute an airfield seizure, a mission usually performed by Rangers. They took it, but took quite a few casualties. The point is the SEALs don’t train to take airfields. They do a lot but if you don’t train for it you will fuck shit up.
From numerous conversations with those "in the know" Same thing when 2nd Rangers sent to rescue Marc Latrell. The SEALS were sent into a mission that Green Beret and / or 2nd Rangers are primarily trained for. The worst thing military can do is try to cover up mistakes. Mistakes are made and the culture has to learn from those mistakes.
While in the USCG our ship trained with Navy Seals during REFTRA (1984). I've never met a group of dudes wound-up tighter than they were back then, but they knew their business inside and out. They loved living on the edge.
Tip for the Seals in the future. If the vessel has a pilot ladder already over the side, take that. No need for your ladder. And if you are carrying too much gear, you drown at sea esp at night. Over 11 years in the US merchant marine.
I had one Navy diver in trouble off my submarine. The other diver cut his safety line and went in after him. Wound up having to save them both. You are right, if it is going to drown one it most likely will drown the other.
The USCG incident mentioned in the report said that the CG guys involved needed two hands to activate the flotation units despite it being a supposedly a one-hand system. And at least one flotation unit was found to be missing the CO2 cannister after CG incident. USCG switched to a different vendor system afterwards.
Thanks for reviewing and providing your perspective on this. There are some conspiracy theorists out there who don’t believe that they drowned, but were killed on some secret op in Ukraine or other nonsense. I remember when 4 SEALs drowned parachuting into rough seas during the invasion of Grenada. When I asked a former SEAL how that could happen he told me that given the sea conditions, at night, with their equipment load, they never should have attempted that insertion to begin with. 💩 happens even to the best of the best. RIP.
Thank you for looking after us! Everyone scared of politicians. Warriors like you need to run for office. Military Industrial Complex is running the military now. Take the power back my Brother!
When i was in from 84 to 2004, it was 90 at sea earned a Steel Beach picnic and you got 2 beers. Not every 21 days. However, in the British & Austrailian Navies, they got 2 pints A DAY after duty.
Dealing with one casualty by creating another casualty is exactly why you don't immediately run to someone who has been hit or jump into the water after a guy who is drowning. You do no favors by putting yourself into a situation where you also need to be rescued.
I couldn't imagine jumping in the water with all the gear I had on. I was an Avenger Crewmember in the 101st Airborne. At minimum I had to carry 85 pounds of gear, but at maximum I had to carry 120 pounds of gear(helmet = 4 pounds, Interceptor Body Armor = 16.4 pounds, Canteen of water full = 2 pounds, 7 magazines 5.56 ammo full = 6.6 pounds, M4 Rifle = 6.4 pounds, Rucksack weight = 50 pounds, Stinger Missile = 35 pounds. Add in boots and uniforms for around 120 pounds). If I jumped in the water with that stuff on I'd be going straight to the bottom. I had to do 12 mile road marches in less than 3 hours carrying that gear.
@@jakezweig I jumped off the back of a delivery truck full of wood in Kosovo and was only wearing Inceptor Body Armor, helmet, rifle, and 7 mags full of ammo. When I landed on the ground the weight from the vest and the ammo drove my legs into the ground and I ended up sitting on my butt. I'm lucky I didn't break anything.
When I saw that news I was shocked beyond belief. HOW did something like this happen that not one, but two die in the freaking ocean. Your video is the first time I've actually found out why.
I am 54 yo in this world. It does not matter what kind of skills or special training you have. Do not underestimate the power of nature or anything arrounds you.
all that training and still panicked. he probably could hold his breath 4 minutes and immediately drowned instead of calmly taking off his gear and surfacing
Since 1992 in the US Navy, you are authorized 2 beers UW after being out to sea for 45 days or more contingent on flt cdr approval. MN1(SW/SAR) retired
I've heard more guys die in training than missions. If you go hard, you got to train hard, ... the water is not a forgiving, whether you're downrange or not.
Taylor Cavanaugh shared his experience on team 5 I believe. He said he was doing protection detail for Barack O'drama down in Mexico. He said he slipped on the side of the rib in full kit. Almost drowned, but luckily another team member pulled him out the water. God bless 🙏
You have to remember that with SEALS, during BUDS they have a swim buddy. If one went in the water to help the other it was a taught reaction. Just sayin.
The real op is coming up from the stern of the ship underway. With gear on and a ladder that is like climbing a carnival trick ladder. Always dark-thirty and sometimes in rainy weather. It’s harder than you think.
I was a regular sailor, Firecontrolman, doing VBSS ops in the red sea in 92. Only in daylight and that ship had to have a Jacobs ladder out for us to climb. It was a bitch with all your gear on. RIP Brothers.
True, I was a regular troop, went to war and all, but when you see any SF operators come in the area, we all moved the fuck back and let them pass. These dudes are putting themselves into shit that 99% of men wouldn’t or couldn’t ever imagine doing.
At 9:25 - is that one of the newer Lewis and Clark-class supply ships? I remember doing UNREPs alongside those ships. They're like pulling up alongside a skyscraper.
Thanks for covering this stuff. This is amazing. Shocking. Heartbreaking. Don’t join the military, people. The leadership is warped beyond comprehension.
If you have a calibrated eye and walk around any Navy base, you’ll see that leadership cannot accomplish the basics of being squared away. That’s a fact. Trash everywhere, unsatness everywhere, fat and weak Sailors. Weakness is authorized in the ranks. It’s true.
Bullsh*T!! This isn't just on the leadership, ALL the subordinates in that unit KNEW they were faking the training because they were just as irresponsible & lazy too. It's the WHOLE damn Navy SEAL culture that has been corrupted for decades now. It's like ONLY blaming the CEO of an airline because some mechanics FAKED maintenance records on work THEY failed to do on an airplane. The little guy is just as much to blame for falsifying the records as the CEO for not enforcing vigilance.
Frogs used to be silent warriors. Now, whenever a seal is lost all of his "buddies" come out of the woodwork to throw them under the bus and pound their own chest. Should try to get a book deal or get on CNN.
This is a marine in a RTAP training training course...just because you see a military peronal in a source of water, automatically makes him a Navy seal??
Chuck Taylors during VBSS is straight up on-the-job wisdom. I wear thin yet durable adidas skate shoes for almost all of my laborious work (not for exercise other than lifting, although I did run 9 miles in a pair once)
I trained with SEALs and specifically Team 3 several times in my 24 years of service. SEAL "exceptionalism" means the SEALs think their egos will smooth out battlefield friction, which it doesn't, this is why SEALs are always dying because they too cool to follow SOPs. They die because they ignore comms training, they don't posses basic infantry skills and they are reckless. But hey, at least they are cool.
RIP warriors! Again, I was a cop detective in a crime-ridden city. And we almost got shot one night by this juiced up dude because we got complacent ! After fighting for that mac10, never happened again. We all get complacent and even the best in the world do! Sad, very sad.
I have been wondering what the current PFD gear was. Undersized floatation have been a known issue. I recall another seal falling off a boat, struggling and going under and another team member reached in a grabbed them before they went deep.
Does the flotation device system have one centralized pull for all to deploy and if not why? So that you don’t have to pull multiple devices you can just pull one.
72C Rescue swimmer instructor at FTC San Diego in 90s. Seals Dont swim they Dive! Seals no joke not normally great swimmers used to help improve skills at NAVSTA 32nd st. pool. RIP Shipmates.
So what we are saying is new go fast gear is as good as the stuff from yesteryear? or are the old timers right, and these guys are always lugging too much gear?
Sounds like TFSS is trash. Too much gear. The gear fairy needs to go far far away when you are in the deep blue sea. I'm old as F and we did VBSS in Recon. We were near slick. Gun and ammo. F the rest. Breaching gear came up in a dry bag via a rope. We just had UDT vest back then so you had to be able to ditch your gear. I still remember pre checks and we all had to strip our gear off in seconds. Even in training it was scary shit. If you fall and hit something and go unconscious...you are going to the bottom. Great overview of what happened. Thanks.
I was an 0321 man attached to a MAGTF and our VBSS training was damn near non existent. Yes, we were deployed a lot in the GWOT but we had plenty of time to train. Non existent. Leadership was lacking at the time as well. Then one day they were like, we might have to catch a ride (46) and then a hook and climb to a potentially hijacked or abandoned ship. We were like, can we just fast rope in cuz our bat grappling hooks are in the shop. Thank goodness it was called off, boarding ships we were super unprepared for.
They make VERY compact floatation devices nowadays. Get with technology “leaders of the free world” and “most sophisticated & elite warriors of the world”.
I am just an EN2 but your points speak volumes. Control the casualty, or in this case establish dominance of the vessel. But then slow it down. It would have took seconds to put a line on then as they were climbing
The 18X program in the Army is plainly asinine. The graduates are too immature, inexperienced and usually very arrogant. In the old days you had to be E-5 promotable to go to selection(SFAS). The Seals have the same problem. The Navy ought to send potential Seal recruits over to the Marines or the Army for a three year combat arms enlistment. They should also be at least E-5 promotable when they are discharged. Problem solved.
They want young kids that aren’t wise to the system yet bcuz they are easily fooled, and they can mould them to the way they want, before they can realize that their govt snookered them.
As someone who completed the 18xray program you’re spot on Granted most guys who get to SFAS are usually 25+ it’s still a big spot to fill for a civ. But once they make it thru selection and pass they’re usually the right guy.
I played water polo in college and have a friend thats is a seal and we were talking about how people think these seals were weak by not being able to tread water but this is no joke… especially if you are not as in shape/don’t have fins on. This is terrifying to me.. just thinking about these poor guys last seconds of life was total panic. Rip to these boys and their families. Even sadder that these families don’t even get a funeral since they didn’t recover the bodies..All we can do is get better and make changes so that this doesn’t happen again 😢
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Not that it matters but I did the calculation for the rough numbers you gave in the video. Calculated their density buoyancy and terminal velocity (for a range of reasonable drag coefficients if you're superman or feet first toothpick) in the water at 80lbs of gear.
Basically, they can tread water BETTER THAN ANY HUMAN. But if no one in their chain of command can do math and the ladder is slippery they die... here's the rough numbers: Humans are nearly neutral buoyancy 1gram per cubic cm... 1g/cc... gear is metal and composite materials and is probably on average ~4g/cc-5g/cc. So a 6 foot 1g/cc 220lb seal carrying 80lbs of gear @ 5g/cc is going to have the equivalent density of a 300lb sandstone boulder... Throw that boulder overboard and watch how fast it sinks... it's a bit more than 3m/s or 10ft/s... In 5s you're between 30 ft and 50 ft (depending on your drag coefficient). If you pop your CO2 cartridge the second you hit the water by the time it inflates the vest you're already nearly at 30 ft a depth where the water pressure @+1atm means your floatation devices can only support about half the load... Meaning if you're wearing as much crap as those seals and you don't pop your cartridge A SECOND BEFORE you hit the water you're cutting straps @50ft and sinking. Better hope your knife skills are faster than your sink rate... in less than 10 seconds you're approaching pressures that are physiologically challenging.
Recommend 3x the CO2...per vest... 1pull 2 pull 3pull design tougher seams on the vest... 4atm is 120psi... a bit dangerous if your vest pops... could be prevented by a blowoff valve that releases pressure as you rise (straightforward fitting low failurerate)
... FWIW I'm a physicist but only put 30min of research into this but it is feasible
... fwd to devgru or big navy if you know those guys. There's no reason this can't be made to work reliably with off the shelf tech. No reason any sailor should die under these circumstances in 2024. Heck multi pull systems would at least give you redundancy!
@@robmorgan1214All lies. I work with big gov, this is your one chance to stop spreading misinformation now. I’ll run and tell Poppa.
Jake bringing the receipts to an issue that needs attention....MILITARY LEADERSHIP
you the man THANK YOU
facts
Yes. You need to go do a live show at BUDS and see what is happening these days.
Absolutely 💯
Yo Jameson! o7
Clicked faster than a high schooler trying to go to BUDS with an 11 minute mile run 🔥
As long as you watch enough jocko buy a fitness program and believe in your self !!!
Lol
@@MAGA-TapWater😂😂
Made me laugh
@@MAGA-TapWater It works. Get fit. And the person who makes it through is the tenacious person who wants it more. When did you graduate BUD/S?
I worked on crab boats in Alaska. The idea of jumping in to rescue someone was never considered
It’s more of a helping your teammate/swim buddy mind set before even thinking about the dangerous conditions. He might have immediately just instinctively jumped in after his teammate without even thinking.
@@KC-UT4rmAZ No it's not instinct, it's called EGO.
@@Kh2456 oh geeez
@@Kh2456 it's called beign a red blooded human.
EGO is the self. this was a stupid but selfless act.
do you even know the meaning of the words you type?
@@SebastianA.W. ego is the self? Bruh go read a little bit.
Jake had me dying when he said “sometimes they get a little too capable and kill each other” 😂😂😂
that was keynote speaker quality right there
LOL
🤣🤣🤣
His personality is the best. Dry humor his smooth cadence the whole sha bang dude has it going on. Its about time the BS is brought to light kids take every word these dudes say as gospel. Really like to see a video on DJ Shipley. That dude and GBRS are the biggest snakes slithering in the social meadia seal teams
@@Specopsfanwhy are they snakes?
This is why the Royal Navy started to use the Assault Troop Life Jacket. That can support a fully equipped Marine with a 120 pound bergan.
I'm wondering if that's what the US Marines use too? This is what I don't understand, my co-worker was a US Marine, he dropped in the water from helicopters while wearing a full kit and he said the life jackets damn near made the top half of his ass cheeks above water, just enough to not topple over, while wearing all the gear with prop wash from the helicopter, do Navy Seals not have this?
@@saucejohnson9862 my guess is that they didn't want the life jackets on while clearing the ship because they can get caught on objects.
@@mogwaiman6048 My dad signed the check for the company that makes the life jackets for the Seals, they're packed in & about the size of your forearm, so much so it's like wearing suspenders (once they touch water they expand). Civilians can't even buy the current ones. That would be a lack of leadership if they were told they didn't need to wear them.
@@saucejohnson9862they clearly did have them as they were found in the water
@@princegobi5992were they wearing them or did they have them stored on their person? Shedding all your gear or hitting the water and scrambling to put them on can take a little bit, potentially a team leadership issue for not ensuring all the guys don’t have them on instead of just on hand.
Finding them in the water and not finding them attached it sounds more like just having them stored and not on.
Jake you spoke to me thru this program. I'm not seal, marine or veteran. I'm 43 and you lit the fire under my arse to get my g.e.d thank you for just being you and showing the world how much more effort we all can put back into our lives.
Thank you >>> GETTY UP
You can do it, and get it carnalito.
My uncle died at 43. Make sure you don’t. Godspeed, 43 year old!
You can definitely do it. You used correct spelling and punctuation in your post, which is better than many ppl in yt comments. I wish you all the best. You meet good ppl in the education system too. It's thoroughly worth the effort you put in
You get out what you put in to education. Be sure to make time to study at least 30 minutes a day! Best of luck
Infantry 101: If you are operating anywhere near water above your head, then everything in your ruck sack or assault ruck goes in a tightly tied off waterproof bag that is placed upside down in the ruck. The bigger the ruck sack, the more buoyancy you get.
Facts!!
True that!
Exactly!
Yup.
Navy seals are too cool too follow any common sense normal infantry rules . All the books and movies really got them thinking they are indestructible
Biggest fear is drowning. I'm in tears listening to this. Army vet here.
This was painful to listen to. Painful to hear step by step how two men drowned, and painful to hear how the Seals became a clown show when doing what should be their bread and butter. Leadership heads should roll.
The fact is Jake is correct: on a Ranger team, we continually train as one fall, you step forward and continue the fight, or you will be laying next to him; you have to have time to either kill the enemy or continue to suppress the enemy, to get the whole team in.
He's right. We fight hard and play hard!
Rangers lead the way
The first thing they teach for patient care in SOCM/SFMS (Special Operations Combat Medic/Special Forces Medical Sergeant Course) was to return effective fire and even use bodies for limited cover if you could.
Regular Navy guy, part of VBSS team, we had some training nothing close to Seal Training, we were out there boarding ships in our coveralls, boon dockers and weapons. Not that much weight but climbing up the side of a ship from a zodiac on a rope ladder in rough seas in the Persian Gulf makes you think about your life choices, thankfully we never had any accidents. I can’t imagine being loaded down with a bunch of gear.
Just a blue-collar guy here who's probably spent years on a ladder, in net hours actually on the ladder. Contractors' and DIYers' ladders are leaned up against a building, so that your center of gravity is directly above the rung you're standing on. A rope ladder, aside from moving around, hangs vertically, so that your center of gravity is out over air. OVER AIR. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Carrying 80 lbs. up a standard ladder, you can lean into the ladder, and just keep pushing with your legs, like going up really steep stairs with a hand rail for guidance. With a vertical ladder, and especially a rope ladder, you cannot just stand on a rung in any normal kind of standing. Instead of really steep stairs, it's more like rock climbing. Now, imagine that the rocks are moving.
-- I just posted this for the guys who have some normal-ladder experience and think this rope ladder is the same thing.
-- When I was carrying 80 lbs. up a ladder, it was mostly on my shoulder (a bundle of roof shingles). Putting it in a rucksack locates it away from the ladder and moves the center of gravity away from a vertical ladder. This adds to the strength and control required to make it to the top.
-- Yeah, training is definitely required to prepare for this kind of stuff. And for anyone with a susceptibility to vertigo, at least every few months. The vertigo can go away (mostly) in about 3 or 4 weeks of working at height, but after 6-12 months without it, it comes right back. Swooning on a ladder is not a good thing.
This reminds me of Panama when the SEALs took a mission to execute an airfield seizure, a mission usually performed by Rangers. They took it, but took quite a few casualties. The point is the SEALs don’t train to take airfields. They do a lot but if you don’t train for it you will fuck shit up.
Stupid walked down the runway
From numerous conversations with those "in the know" Same thing when 2nd Rangers sent to rescue Marc Latrell. The SEALS were sent into a mission that Green Beret and / or 2nd Rangers are primarily trained for. The worst thing military can do is try to cover up mistakes. Mistakes are made and the culture has to learn from those mistakes.
While in the USCG our ship trained with Navy Seals during REFTRA (1984). I've never met a group of dudes wound-up tighter than they were back then, but they knew their business inside and out. They loved living on the edge.
Tip for the Seals in the future. If the vessel has a pilot ladder already over the side, take that. No need for your ladder. And if you are carrying too much gear, you drown at sea esp at night. Over 11 years in the US merchant marine.
Seal dangers in order 1. Ship boarding 2. Diving 3. HALO. Always remember more guys have died in training than combat.
and now i understand why jake has to be so tough on these young people calling him
I did not think abou it that way
@@jakezweigI agree…… it’s definitely not for the faint of heart, keep the standards the standards and try to keep some young man alive!!!!
Hell yeah. It’s not a movie out there.
“That’s crazy, I was wearing Chuck Taylors”. 😂 Sold, you got a new subscriber! ❤
Thanks for the sub!
Shit had me rollin with laughter 😆
The Chuck Taylor’s are all black. This has been standard footwear for ship ops for a while. Fits perfectly into fins and they dry quickly.
You ain’t never lie about rolling the dice 72 hour water detox and pray you ain’t on the list that morning.
You gotta ton of energy bruh! Thanks for breaking down the situation leading to these Men's deaths. Prays their loved ones have found peace.
I had one Navy diver in trouble off my submarine. The other diver cut his safety line and went in after him. Wound up having to save them both. You are right, if it is going to drown one it most likely will drown the other.
Jake’s always giving you the FACTS, JACK! 🎯
Jake just says it like it is. I hope he is a Father cus we need more Men and Dad's like this.
The USCG incident mentioned in the report said that the CG guys involved needed two hands to activate the flotation units despite it being a supposedly a one-hand system. And at least one flotation unit was found to be missing the CO2 cannister after CG incident. USCG switched to a different vendor system afterwards.
LMAO! “Sometimes they get a little too capable and they kill each other.” Great video. I had to subscribe.
Thank you for subscribing.
I did 6 years in the ranger regiment. PEDs weren’t crazy out in the open, but you knew where to ask if you wanted in.
"If you aren't cheating you aren't trying, if you get caught you weren't trying hard enough."
- The Leadership
Way to cover such a serious incident in a factual, humorous yet respectful analysis of this event. Well done, Jake!
Yo, Jake. Thank you for your service. America loves our Navy SEALs!
This entire country is suffering the greatest leadership vacuum since 1775.
Why?
@@jimmyjam5453planned out long term warfare against us.
Thanks for reviewing and providing your perspective on this. There are some conspiracy theorists out there who don’t believe that they drowned, but were killed on some secret op in Ukraine or other nonsense. I remember when 4 SEALs drowned parachuting into rough seas during the invasion of Grenada. When I asked a former SEAL how that could happen he told me that given the sea conditions, at night, with their equipment load, they never should have attempted that insertion to begin with. 💩 happens even to the best of the best. RIP.
Take massive cohones to call out your own community. Massive respect as always!
Much appreciated
Units have to police themselves. Find their weaknesses before the enemy does. This principle is not employed by many leaders, though.
Definitely a knowledgeable critique of what went wrong.
Good to see someone give insight and show the difference between a training environment and a real-world OP..
Thank you for looking after us! Everyone scared of politicians. Warriors like you need to run for office. Military Industrial Complex is running the military now. Take the power back my Brother!
When i was in from 84 to 2004, it was 90 at sea earned a Steel Beach picnic and you got 2 beers. Not every 21 days. However, in the British & Austrailian Navies, they got 2 pints A DAY after duty.
Dealing with one casualty by creating another casualty is exactly why you don't immediately run to someone who has been hit or jump into the water after a guy who is drowning. You do no favors by putting yourself into a situation where you also need to be rescued.
I couldn't imagine jumping in the water with all the gear I had on. I was an Avenger Crewmember in the 101st Airborne. At minimum I had to carry 85 pounds of gear, but at maximum I had to carry 120 pounds of gear(helmet = 4 pounds, Interceptor Body Armor = 16.4 pounds, Canteen of water full = 2 pounds, 7 magazines 5.56 ammo full = 6.6 pounds, M4 Rifle = 6.4 pounds, Rucksack weight = 50 pounds, Stinger Missile = 35 pounds. Add in boots and uniforms for around 120 pounds). If I jumped in the water with that stuff on I'd be going straight to the bottom. I had to do 12 mile road marches in less than 3 hours carrying that gear.
yah man a bit crazy
@@jakezweig I jumped off the back of a delivery truck full of wood in Kosovo and was only wearing Inceptor Body Armor, helmet, rifle, and 7 mags full of ammo. When I landed on the ground the weight from the vest and the ammo drove my legs into the ground and I ended up sitting on my butt. I'm lucky I didn't break anything.
Jake has the best metaphor's... & speaks the truth....
I had NOOOO idea VBSS was THAT dangerous. Thanks for giving us the inside perspective!!ZWEIG LIFE DAMNIT!!! LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO
When I saw that news I was shocked beyond belief. HOW did something like this happen that not one, but two die in the freaking ocean. Your video is the first time I've actually found out why.
Thank you Jake…… i appreciate your honesty in assessing this event! Keep up the great work!!!!
I am 54 yo in this world. It does not matter what kind of skills or special training you have. Do not underestimate the power of nature or anything arrounds you.
ocean is undefeated
My man Jake bringin the wisdom bomb on this one! We ain't fallen for no banana in the tail pipe bro. Shitttt...BBL in Bahrain had me rolling😂😂
LOL 😆
all that training and still panicked. he probably could hold his breath 4 minutes and immediately drowned instead of calmly taking off his gear and surfacing
Thank you for an illuminated perspective on "the Man's" explanation. Thank you for your service.
Frothing water lacks the buoyancy to float a person even with only a wetsuit on . R.I.P. soldiers.
Jake. You keep it so real. That looks so dangerous bro.
Since 1992 in the US Navy, you are authorized 2 beers UW after being out to sea for 45 days or more contingent on flt cdr approval. MN1(SW/SAR) retired
I've heard more guys die in training than missions. If you go hard, you got to train hard, ... the water is not a forgiving, whether you're downrange or not.
This was not training, it was a mission
Yes it's true. CNN did a study on it.
Taylor Cavanaugh shared his experience on team 5 I believe. He said he was doing protection detail for Barack O'drama down in Mexico. He said he slipped on the side of the rib in full kit. Almost drowned, but luckily another team member pulled him out the water. God bless 🙏
Team 7
You have to remember that with SEALS, during BUDS they have a swim buddy. If one went in the water to help the other it was a taught reaction. Just sayin.
The real op is coming up from the stern of the ship underway. With gear on and a ladder that is like climbing a carnival trick ladder. Always dark-thirty and sometimes in rainy weather. It’s harder than you think.
I wish I had somebody like Jake back in 1989 when I was in service.
Sometime I will contact you tell my story.
I was a regular sailor, Firecontrolman, doing VBSS ops in the red sea in 92.
Only in daylight and that ship had to have a Jacobs ladder out for us to climb.
It was a bitch with all your gear on. RIP Brothers.
True, I was a regular troop, went to war and all, but when you see any SF operators come in the area, we all moved the fuck back and let them pass. These dudes are putting themselves into shit that 99% of men wouldn’t or couldn’t ever imagine doing.
I climbed a cable ladder once in training in day time. I thought "I hope I never have to do this for real." I'd rather fast rope down anytime.
Always fast rope over hook and climb
"Don't fall for the banana in the tailpipe!" 😂 That's pretty good mate.
You stay killing it @jakezweig.
At 9:25 - is that one of the newer Lewis and Clark-class supply ships? I remember doing UNREPs alongside those ships. They're like pulling up alongside a skyscraper.
Lite gear---bring the rest up another rope---life gear activate float tastion left shoulder hook release ?
Man that Halogen tool is so versatile it’s a necessity for back up when breaching. Spent time as a combat engineer
Great insight. Keeping it real!
Top fucking notch coverage and commentary. One of the best commentary videos ever.
Thank you
Absolutely
Don’t fall for the banana in the tail pipe, just took me out, I hit the floor. Eddy Murphy greatest line 😂😂😂🤣
Thanks Jake, wish you were my First Sargent !!! Veteran 2/504, 82nd Airborne Division!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪👍👍
“Don’t fall for the banana in the tailpipe!” Instant sub by that quote 😂😂😂
Thanks for covering this stuff. This is amazing. Shocking. Heartbreaking. Don’t join the military, people. The leadership is warped beyond comprehension.
If you have a calibrated eye and walk around any Navy base, you’ll see that leadership cannot accomplish the basics of being squared away. That’s a fact. Trash everywhere, unsatness everywhere, fat and weak Sailors. Weakness is authorized in the ranks. It’s true.
Sad, but true...
Bullsh*T!! This isn't just on the leadership, ALL the subordinates in that unit KNEW they were faking the training because they were just as irresponsible & lazy too. It's the WHOLE damn Navy SEAL culture that has been corrupted for decades now. It's like ONLY blaming the CEO of an airline because some mechanics FAKED maintenance records on work THEY failed to do on an airplane. The little guy is just as much to blame for falsifying the records as the CEO for not enforcing vigilance.
Frogs used to be silent warriors. Now, whenever a seal is lost all of his "buddies" come out of the woodwork to throw them under the bus and pound their own chest. Should try to get a book deal or get on CNN.
This is a marine in a RTAP training training course...just because you see a military peronal in a source of water, automatically makes him a Navy seal??
Chuck Taylors during VBSS is straight up on-the-job wisdom.
I wear thin yet durable adidas skate shoes for almost all of my laborious work (not for exercise other than lifting, although I did run 9 miles in a pair once)
They have Altima Maritime boots now they look just like Green Chuck Taylor's amazing someone was paying attention( I own a set)
What an excellent and informative video. Subscribed!
Welcome aboard!
Good show, thanks for your service, RIPx2
Thanks, it is a shame
I trained with SEALs and specifically Team 3 several times in my 24 years of service. SEAL "exceptionalism" means the SEALs think their egos will smooth out battlefield friction, which it doesn't, this is why SEALs are always dying because they too cool to follow SOPs. They die because they ignore comms training, they don't posses basic infantry skills and they are reckless. But hey, at least they are cool.
RIP warriors! Again, I was a cop detective in a crime-ridden city. And we almost got shot one night by this juiced up dude because we got complacent ! After fighting for that mac10, never happened again. We all get complacent and even the best in the world do! Sad, very sad.
I have been wondering what the current PFD gear was. Undersized floatation have been a known issue. I recall another seal falling off a boat, struggling and going under and another team member reached in a grabbed them before they went deep.
Thanks for the video Jake keep up the awesome work
this ladder is so slim how can it hold so much weight? if all wear heavy gear overloaded stuff? its a mystery to me..
Dyneema is a fabric with a minimum breaking strength of about 2400lbs when it’s woven in a 6mm cord. Ez pz
@@timn144 yup dyneema is unbelievably strong compared to size
Does the flotation device system have one centralized pull for all to deploy and if not why? So that you don’t have to pull multiple devices you can just pull one.
Good video, thanks for sharing, subscribed! Came over from Jamesons Travels RUclips Channel.
Thanks for coming
Outstanding summary Jake.
thankyou
You have a snowball chance in hell to swim with 40lbs wearing boots
72C Rescue swimmer instructor at FTC San Diego in 90s. Seals Dont swim they Dive! Seals no joke not normally great swimmers used to help improve skills at NAVSTA 32nd st. pool. RIP Shipmates.
It seems that SEALS are having to adjust back to their roots now that GWOT is over, unfortunately this a lesson learned the hard way.
Yes sir
Alcohol in any warrior culture…. Is a crutch and yes I’d love to talk about this more I think this is a good forum for it
Agreed
Are IR strobe or epirb required gear for water insertions/boardings
Nope
So what we are saying is new go fast gear is as good as the stuff from yesteryear? or are the old timers right, and these guys are always lugging too much gear?
Two beers every 90 days when I was in
Sounds like TFSS is trash. Too much gear. The gear fairy needs to go far far away when you are in the deep blue sea. I'm old as F and we did VBSS in Recon. We were near slick. Gun and ammo. F the rest. Breaching gear came up in a dry bag via a rope. We just had UDT vest back then so you had to be able to ditch your gear. I still remember pre checks and we all had to strip our gear off in seconds. Even in training it was scary shit. If you fall and hit something and go unconscious...you are going to the bottom. Great overview of what happened. Thanks.
I was an 0321 man attached to a MAGTF and our VBSS training was damn near non existent. Yes, we were deployed a lot in the GWOT but we had plenty of time to train. Non existent. Leadership was lacking at the time as well. Then one day they were like, we might have to catch a ride (46) and then a hook and climb to a potentially hijacked or abandoned ship. We were like, can we just fast rope in cuz our bat grappling hooks are in the shop. Thank goodness it was called off, boarding ships we were super unprepared for.
He said dude got a BBL 🤣
Crazy
Maybe even got a BBC
Bad leaders are not necessarily currupt.
So, where are the commanders? Where are the brass hats?
Writing books on “Leadership” 😂
I'm a former Infantry Marine. May Jesus bring peace to their families
Thank you for the valuable information.
They make VERY compact floatation devices nowadays. Get with technology “leaders of the free world” and “most sophisticated & elite warriors of the world”.
I am just an EN2 but your points speak volumes. Control the casualty, or in this case establish dominance of the vessel. But then slow it down. It would have took seconds to put a line on then as they were climbing
A quick draw competition in a convex box😂. Jesus Christ who was that lol?
Nice report. Thanks.
The 18X program in the Army is plainly asinine. The graduates are too immature, inexperienced and usually very arrogant. In the old days you had to be E-5 promotable to go to selection(SFAS). The Seals have the same problem. The Navy ought to send potential Seal recruits over to the Marines or the Army for a three year combat arms enlistment. They should also be at least E-5 promotable when they are discharged. Problem solved.
Interesting
Young immature guys only thrive as Army Rangers 😂
They want young kids that aren’t wise to the system yet bcuz they are easily fooled, and they can mould them to the way they want, before they can realize that their govt snookered them.
As someone who completed the 18xray program you’re spot on Granted most guys who get to SFAS are usually 25+ it’s still a big spot to fill for a civ. But once they make it thru selection and pass they’re usually the right guy.
S.f. babies are 100% a problem
I played water polo in college and have a friend thats is a seal and we were talking about how people think these seals were weak by not being able to tread water but this is no joke… especially if you are not as in shape/don’t have fins on. This is terrifying to me.. just thinking about these poor guys last seconds of life was total panic. Rip to these boys and their families. Even sadder that these families don’t even get a funeral since they didn’t recover the bodies..All we can do is get better and make changes so that this doesn’t happen again 😢
The image of a Navy seal going to bahrain to get a bbl is so damn funny to me
Great vid. Very informative.