They drafted him top 10 Colller? Have you heard KOC in conferences, he wants JJ. You being baffled that people want the top 10 draft pick QB to start is also very confusing to me.
Agreed, not sure why this is so hard to understand. Sam did well, but going forward, we are NOT doing the Kirk thing again.Coller should be the most aware, but he keeps shutting down the impact of a rookie qb contract. JJ McCarthy was impressive enough last year as a top 10 draft pick, in camp, and preseason.
He's absolutely not shutting down the aspect of a rookie qb contract. He's saying that Mccarthy has never thrown more than 300 passes in a season in his life. Guess what, KOC wants to throw the ball closer to 600 times a year. I think he's saying it would be a lot for a guy who looks seriously underweight to be the starter for 17 games next year with the injury and lack of an nfl season developing.
@@danfrieberg7968 bro can just say he was wrong for such an emotional and bad take about paying Darnold huge money to get back on the Kirk Cousins Carousel. He’s afraid and letting the fear of “letting someone walk” overtake all reason.
Darnold did what he was asked to do in March. Be a stop gap for McCarthy and use the Vikings infrastructure to rehab his image. While he may have lost $$$ from the last 2 games and McCarthy missed the year anyway, Sam is still better off now then he was a year ago and it’s time to give McCarthy the keys. Otherwise why did you trade up to 10 to get him?
JJ is just about to turn 22. He had less than 500 pass attempts in college, started 28 games. This isn’t the same as Daniel’s, Nix, or Penix, all who played in 50+ college games with a much larger sample size, or even Mahomes, because he was QB2 behind Alex Smith his rookie year, but on the active roster, practicing and physically developing all season. JJ being on IR can really only do team meeting and play virtual reality simulations, he’s not allowed to physically practice with the team, so his development has NOT been the same as Mahomes when he was drafted, and is still much closer to a just drafted rookie
JJ didn’t tear any ligaments lol stop. He is top 10, he is QB1 . He doesn’t need more time, his next step is on field development. Into the fire. He would be a top 3 draft pick today if he had returned to Michigan & still had the meniscus. I feel like that’s not understood by most.
Matthew, what you’re missing is that Sam Darnold was never coming back to start next year, no matter how good this year went. We have a top ten drafted QB waiting on the roster that KOC picked to be his future franchise QB. If KOC can make a top five QB to of Darnold, the Vikings will be just fine handing he keys to McCarthy. This is such a strange talker and fixation that you continue to focus on? Darnold was never a future option, period.
I've been kinda baffled that in this stream and last night's Coller keeps talking about them getting away from the run game. I never saw that. I saw them completely flubbing the run game by continuing to (extremely predictably) run for 1 or 2 yards on EVERY first down. Even when they were down 3 scores they were consistently (and badly) running.
What TF are you all talking about???? EVERY other QB drafted in the 1st round PLAYED this year and looked great to decent!!! JJ sat and learned this year. It's his time. PERIOD!!!
Seems like a lot but we added a bunch of free agents this year and we still have cap space. I could see us fixing most of those spots in free agency with 80 mil to spend. That’s why we drafted the rookie qb so we can spend elsewhere.
Every year we say we have a weak interior offensive line. Every year, we don't address it. That is priority number one. Finding a running back not made out of glass is the next priority. JJ is the future at QB. Our head coach is supposed to be the ultimate "QB whisperer". It's up to him to have him ready. Sam needs to go, and keep Jones as the backup. But if we don't get tough on the o-line, we'll never compete with the Detroits and Philadelphias of the league.
@purpleinsider Thank you for a great year of coverage and content. Hosting a post game show after such an awful and painful loss, dealing with untold numbers of trolls, I respect what you do and I want you to know I'll be following your coverage all offseason. This was my first year really deep diving into football and I can say you are the biggest reason I got so into it. So thank you again and I'll be lurking on all your shows going forward haha.
Matthew, I think a lot of fans really don’t understand the cap situation and they also REALLY do not understand player contracts. It makes sense to you because you know they can manipulate contracts to make a franchise tag work but a lot of fans simply say 80 mil minus 40 mil and now we only have 40 mil to sign two guards, a d tackle and a corner. Which we could absolutely still do but fans don’t understand signing bonus and how to manipulate the cpntracts by year. People are also under the faulty impression that just because we have cap space that all the players we want are just going to magically sign here.
Agreed on the last point. Buying power isn’t everything, but it’s still very valuable. As for the franchise tag, it wouldn’t be a problem so long as it doesn’t linger on our books and inhibit the front office’s flexibility. If he’s tagged it needs to be with a team in mind to trade him to.
Understandable but do you trust Darnold in another playoff game? Say they have a good season and hit playoffs next year with Darnold at the helm, do you trust Darnold to not freeze again? Would you be willing to make a contract out for 40 million for that gamble? yes i understand those contracts can be widely stretched and adjusted and tweaked but wouldn't that same money be better spent on a D-line, O-line, RB, CB, (with each position having at least one player at elite level play) as well as retaining and extending some players on current roster that are up for free agency?
Does paying Sam Darnold valuable cap money make up for giving him the bag to stay compared to using the money to fill other holes all over the roster? If you ask me, No he doesn’t. There’s only 4 QBs that fit that mold. Burrow, Allen, Mahomes, and Jackson. It’s silly to fall into the same trap as Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Rus Wilson, etc
Can we stop the shell game of pushing money out. You drafted a rookie QB to take advantage of QB contract. So do it!! We have crossed the QB bridge and are on the other side. Keep moving forward! I have ZERO interest in a Darnold lead 2025 Vikings team. I didn’t suffer with Kirko for 6 years to get sucked back in to the vortex with Darnold.
The Vikings Head office will lose soooo many fans trust if they re-sign Darnold to start and sit JJ for another year, it's quite literally not even debatable. Darnold froze up under the big spotlight, can't teach performing at a high level under the upmost pressure. I'll take the rookie National Champ any day of the week. But here we are having "insiders" push a narrative that the Vikes should resign this guy. Anyone else starting to smell a trend here?
Idk why you’re under the impression that jj will just step in and play at a super bowl contender level, it’s just very unlikely. It’s much safer to franchise tag him and you can let him go after a year. It won’t affect your free agent signings at all because it’s a one year deal. Why is that a bad thing?
Yeah, he’s almost 22, never has even had a regular season practice snap in the NFL. This isn’t the same as mahomes as the #2 for a year behind Alex Smith, developing and physically practicing every week his rookie year
This was dreadful guys. Why are you acting like Jj is a 14 year old boy that was an undrafted free agent. Dude is a grown man, 10th overall pick that won a nation Championship with Jim Harbaugh. And acting like a torn meniscus is some kind of career threatening injury is madness. 10th overall picks play, end of
Darnold had time to throw on several occasions. He had guys open even on short routes and Sam kept hesitating, hesitating and hesitating and never once let it rip. I know it’s McVay and the rams but Darnold absolutely had plays to make and he never once let it go.
Quit stating the 14-wins will relate to anything if JJ takes over next year. Each season is its own entity. Darnold needs to go and if necessary have Daniel Jones start before running JJ out there. This was nothing more than a fun popup year with a feel-good story with Sam. Nothing more nothing less. The rebuild is still in progress and won't be completed until either 25 or 26. But with the cap space they will have in 25 they might be able to plug all the holes. Fans are stupid and if JJ starts slow whatever. Get over it. I am 65-with a bad ticker and all I want is One Before I Die! Whether I see that in a year or two is kind of questionable but I have faith this plan KAM and KOC have implemented will succeed.
We have entered the shadow realm where Coller is banging the drum to pay a non-elite QB elite QB money while blaming the offensive line for his troubles. Matthew did we learn nothing from 2018-2023?
They traded up to take JJ at #10 overall. He sat for a year and it's time to put him in there. As a Viking fan for over 50 years, I'd much rather see the team takes some lumps through the learning process of a youg QB. At least we'll see what we have rather than go through another year wondering. We may have Daunte Culpepper (pre injury) or we may have Christian Ponder. We need to know.
If he had not gotten hurt and had a full year on the active roster and Practicing every week I’d be much more inclined to agree with you. But he hasn’t been
Darnold had a great year. If they bring him back or not. This team needs to build the interior o line and on defense find ways to get to the QB without always having to blitz. If they don't figure that out. Next season will just be another rebuild season.
On paying Darnold the franchise tag, I get that you can structure contracts to stay competitive for a window, but eventually that money does hit the books. Even if you set up the money to come out later, that's still enough that at SOME POINT over the next couple years you've abandoned the opportunity to get a high quality free agent. I know a rookie QB contract in the near term helps, but wasting money in the fringes around it is still bad business. imagine your rookie PLUS star free agents instead of your rookie plus dead cap.
Was KOC's decision to stick with the downfield passing plan at all related to Darnold's strengths vs weaknesses (short/intermediate pass efficiency)? I know they did have occasional success with the checkdowns and TE dink-and-dunks, but Darnold was much better at downfield passes, right?
When you guys talk about Daniel Jones, it sounds exactly like how you and everyone else spoke about Sam Darnold. With our receivers, an interior OL upgrade, some tweaks, and KOC's quarterback-whisperer effect, Jones could be next year's Darnold. My bottom line is that Darnold has poisoned the well in Minnesota. The fan base wants him out. Before the Lions game, KOC was king of the castle. After these past 2 games, cracks have developed in the castle walls. Bringing Darnold back will add tremendous pressure on him because if Sam doesn't perform as well or better than this year, and that may not be possible, KOC will be crucified unless they make it to the Super Bowl. I don't think Kwesi will let Kevin put himself in such a vulnerable position. We need a veteran QB to compete for the job with McCarthy, but not Sam.
One thing Sam Darnold has proved that is he iowon more NFL games than Kirk Cousins who was paid 35 million for fours. In contrast, Sam was only paid 10 million last year. To be fair, the least should pay Darnold 30 million for two years if there were no JJ or 35 years for three years if there were no JJ Macarthy.
Watched a video of a Rams defensive player and he said they pretty much knew most of the plays called the whole game. KOC is too predictable. Lions knew it, Rams knew it. Time for KOC to give up play calling!!
Detroit took away Sam's first read putting Sam into progressions...he kept dropping his eyes to watch the rush, game over. Rams copied. On the flip side when the Vikings pressured Goff especially in the 2nd half, Stafford too, both were able to hold the ball to the very last second, taking huge hits, delivering the ball making big plays downfield. Because they kept their eyes down field and not on the rush like Sam did....just check it down is what Sam couldn't capture once that first read was gone.
If we have an experienced NFL QB next season I fully expect we can be in conversation to win the division. I just don't believe JJM is a 2025 starter for all the reasons you each mentioned. You know another QB who started too young and took years of development to recover? Sam Darnold. I fully trust KO to debut JJM when he's ready. Thanks for holding church with the divine trinity tonight, I really needed it.
Does paying Sam Darnold valuable cap money make up for giving him the bag to stay compared to using the money to fill other holes all over the roster? If you ask me, No he doesn’t. There’s only 4 QBs that fit that mold. Burrow, Allen, Mahomes, and Jackson. It’s silly to fall into the same trap as Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Rus Wilson, etc
@ sure and paying Darnold after ONE GOOD SEASON with a complete collapse the last games would be insanity. They drafted a potential franchise rookie QB so they could leverage a rookie contract and spend money on other areas. Stick to the plan. Darnold is not the guy.
@@Alexander-lc7dxJJ McCarthy is still younger than most rookies in this draft class, is not remotely close to NFL shape, and coming off an injury acquired from a third string player in a preseason game. Do you watch the show or just look for arguments in the comments? If you don't understand the logic, ask Matthew again, we have another 60 days where I'm sure he'll address the question at least weekly much better than I can in the comment section. Only the Jets use Madden and shouting football shows to make decisions. Good ones like the Vikings use logic when presented with new information. Maybe it works out for Sam or Danny Dimes here, maybe it doesn't. I'm sure they'll make the right choice with vastly more information than any of us has.
I'm sorry but when did holding the ball for almost 4 sec every passing down become the norm? Although KOC didn't throw him under the bus, he definitely thought Darnold could've played better, he's NOT coming back for 25-30M per season, I don't care what cap space the Vikings have
Sam Darnold was the distraction and scapegoat because No one is discussing the bad referee reverse call of the fumble to tie the game! Who knows if it would impacted the game trajectory.
The Vikings overachieved. In reality they are a ten win team. If they want to compete with Philadelphia or Detroit they need to get big nasty centers and guards, a big defensive tackle and defensive end that can get their own pressure, and some corners and a safety. Long way to go before they are legit contenders.
Things will calm down over the next 6 weeks and GMs will become enamored with Darnold’s stats. Vikings should franchise tag him and trade him. Or let some enamored GM outbid you and pay you two picks.
adding by subtraction....Vikes gonna lose coaches and plalyers and have to find personnel all over again...IF McCarthy is a bust this franchise is in trouble.....
Be done & gone with Sam Darnold. Ive ridden the wave long enough. Ive been a Viking fan for 50 years. If? They keep Sam Darnold & havent figured it out,then they really have problems,and will endure many more keeping Sam Darnold. Im over it and moving on from Sam Darnold.
@@MINNESOTA_PTSD The Vikings couldn't beat the Lions, period. What you need to do is take the p@nties off KOC, Jefferson, and the rest of your offense. Flexing while the Vikings at home getting nine points is crazy
@@brokentubing your team choked. On national TV. As 10 point favorites. Straight got they ass handed to them. This a Viking page. Your bit ch ass don’t belong here. Running yo bit ch as s mouth. Take that L bee-otch.
I would honestly stick with Sam if i were the Vikings. He needs the experience to improve. Of course, he won't get the contract he wanted. Vikings fans HEAVILY overvalue McCarthy IMO. He is TINY.
They drafted him top 10 Colller? Have you heard KOC in conferences, he wants JJ. You being baffled that people want the top 10 draft pick QB to start is also very confusing to me.
Agreed, not sure why this is so hard to understand. Sam did well, but going forward, we are NOT doing the Kirk thing again.Coller should be the most aware, but he keeps shutting down the impact of a rookie qb contract. JJ McCarthy was impressive enough last year as a top 10 draft pick, in camp, and preseason.
He's absolutely not shutting down the aspect of a rookie qb contract. He's saying that Mccarthy has never thrown more than 300 passes in a season in his life. Guess what, KOC wants to throw the ball closer to 600 times a year. I think he's saying it would be a lot for a guy who looks seriously underweight to be the starter for 17 games next year with the injury and lack of an nfl season developing.
@@danfrieberg7968 bro can just say he was wrong for such an emotional and bad take about paying Darnold huge money to get back on the Kirk Cousins Carousel. He’s afraid and letting the fear of “letting someone walk” overtake all reason.
Darnold did what he was asked to do in March.
Be a stop gap for McCarthy and use the Vikings infrastructure to rehab his image.
While he may have lost $$$ from the last 2 games and McCarthy missed the year anyway, Sam is still better off now then he was a year ago and it’s time to give McCarthy the keys.
Otherwise why did you trade up to 10 to get him?
They traded up to get him to sit him until he’s 32 years old according to these 3
Culture? Maybe the Vikings can start in the first season of SOFT KNOCKS. Build on the trenches and see what McCarthy brings. Skol!
JJ is just about to turn 22. He had less than 500 pass attempts in college, started 28 games. This isn’t the same as Daniel’s, Nix, or Penix, all who played in 50+ college games with a much larger sample size, or even Mahomes, because he was QB2 behind Alex Smith his rookie year, but on the active roster, practicing and physically developing all season. JJ being on IR can really only do team meeting and play virtual reality simulations, he’s not allowed to physically practice with the team, so his development has NOT been the same as Mahomes when he was drafted, and is still much closer to a just drafted rookie
@@86chrysler5thave You start Top 10 draft picks, that's what you do in the NFL.
JJ didn’t tear any ligaments lol stop. He is top 10, he is QB1 . He doesn’t need more time, his next step is on field development. Into the fire.
He would be a top 3 draft pick today if he had returned to Michigan & still had the meniscus. I feel like that’s not understood by most.
Matthew, what you’re missing is that Sam Darnold was never coming back to start next year, no matter how good this year went. We have a top ten drafted QB waiting on the roster that KOC picked to be his future franchise QB. If KOC can make a top five QB to of Darnold, the Vikings will be just fine handing he keys to McCarthy. This is such a strange talker and fixation that you continue to focus on? Darnold was never a future option, period.
I've been kinda baffled that in this stream and last night's Coller keeps talking about them getting away from the run game. I never saw that. I saw them completely flubbing the run game by continuing to (extremely predictably) run for 1 or 2 yards on EVERY first down. Even when they were down 3 scores they were consistently (and badly) running.
Exactly, I thought they ran the ball too much at the end. The announcers even made a comment on not wasting time running.
It sounds like he’s trying to deflect blame for Darnold’s decline onto KOC.
What TF are you all talking about???? EVERY other QB drafted in the 1st round PLAYED this year and looked great to decent!!! JJ sat and learned this year. It's his time. PERIOD!!!
This is not a win now team…. O line, D line, RB, Secondary… and only 3 picks next draft. Time to do the building part of this rebuild.
Seems like a lot but we added a bunch of free agents this year and we still have cap space. I could see us fixing most of those spots in free agency with 80 mil to spend. That’s why we drafted the rookie qb so we can spend elsewhere.
Rookie QB contract. 70 million in cap space. Coming off 14 wins. Top 10 in EPA both offense and defense. Top 10 coach in the league.
This is a window.
Yea, how will Mccarthy ever live up to beating the AFC South and getting blown out in the two games that mattered
Every year we say we have a weak interior offensive line. Every year, we don't address it. That is priority number one. Finding a running back not made out of glass is the next priority. JJ is the future at QB. Our head coach is supposed to be the ultimate "QB whisperer". It's up to him to have him ready. Sam needs to go, and keep Jones as the backup. But if we don't get tough on the o-line, we'll never compete with the Detroits and Philadelphias of the league.
@purpleinsider Thank you for a great year of coverage and content. Hosting a post game show after such an awful and painful loss, dealing with untold numbers of trolls, I respect what you do and I want you to know I'll be following your coverage all offseason. This was my first year really deep diving into football and I can say you are the biggest reason I got so into it. So thank you again and I'll be lurking on all your shows going forward haha.
What is a troll? Somebody you disagree with? Am I a troll for asking you this?
@@bretttaylor3787 Your Definity a troll and don't you dare have a difference in opinion with these "insiders" lol
Are we surprised why the tackles struggled? Look how long Sam darnald held the ball for 😂
Matthew, I think a lot of fans really don’t understand the cap situation and they also REALLY do not understand player contracts. It makes sense to you because you know they can manipulate contracts to make a franchise tag work but a lot of fans simply say 80 mil minus 40 mil and now we only have 40 mil to sign two guards, a d tackle and a corner. Which we could absolutely still do but fans don’t understand signing bonus and how to manipulate the cpntracts by year. People are also under the faulty impression that just because we have cap space that all the players we want are just going to magically sign here.
Agreed on the last point. Buying power isn’t everything, but it’s still very valuable.
As for the franchise tag, it wouldn’t be a problem so long as it doesn’t linger on our books and inhibit the front office’s flexibility. If he’s tagged it needs to be with a team in mind to trade him to.
Understandable but do you trust Darnold in another playoff game? Say they have a good season and hit playoffs next year with Darnold at the helm, do you trust Darnold to not freeze again? Would you be willing to make a contract out for 40 million for that gamble? yes i understand those contracts can be widely stretched and adjusted and tweaked but wouldn't that same money be better spent on a D-line, O-line, RB, CB, (with each position having at least one player at elite level play) as well as retaining and extending some players on current roster that are up for free agency?
Does paying Sam Darnold valuable cap money make up for giving him the bag to stay compared to using the money to fill other holes all over the roster? If you ask me, No he doesn’t. There’s only 4 QBs that fit that mold. Burrow, Allen, Mahomes, and Jackson. It’s silly to fall into the same trap as Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Rus Wilson, etc
Exactly.
Can we stop the shell game of pushing money out. You drafted a rookie QB to take advantage of QB contract. So do it!! We have crossed the QB bridge and are on the other side. Keep moving forward! I have ZERO interest in a Darnold lead 2025 Vikings team. I didn’t suffer with Kirko for 6 years to get sucked back in to the vortex with Darnold.
The Vikings Head office will lose soooo many fans trust if they re-sign Darnold to start and sit JJ for another year, it's quite literally not even debatable. Darnold froze up under the big spotlight, can't teach performing at a high level under the upmost pressure. I'll take the rookie National Champ any day of the week. But here we are having "insiders" push a narrative that the Vikes should resign this guy. Anyone else starting to smell a trend here?
Darnold is done here guys
Exactly but the guy on the left is delusional
Idk why you’re under the impression that jj will just step in and play at a super bowl contender level, it’s just very unlikely. It’s much safer to franchise tag him and you can let him go after a year. It won’t affect your free agent signings at all because it’s a one year deal. Why is that a bad thing?
@@kirkpatrick5219 no one said he is going to play at a super bowl level right away
Yeah, he’s almost 22, never has even had a regular season practice snap in the NFL. This isn’t the same as mahomes as the #2 for a year behind Alex Smith, developing and physically practicing every week his rookie year
@@86chrysler5thave same with every other rookie qb this year. 3 of the other 5 played excellent immediately. No one is saying its not a risk
This was dreadful guys. Why are you acting like Jj is a 14 year old boy that was an undrafted free agent. Dude is a grown man, 10th overall pick that won a nation Championship with Jim Harbaugh. And acting like a torn meniscus is some kind of career threatening injury is madness. 10th overall picks play, end of
Darnold had time to throw on several occasions. He had guys open even on short routes and Sam kept hesitating, hesitating and hesitating and never once let it rip. I know it’s McVay and the rams but Darnold absolutely had plays to make and he never once let it go.
Quit stating the 14-wins will relate to anything if JJ takes over next year. Each season is its own entity. Darnold needs to go and if necessary have Daniel Jones start before running JJ out there. This was nothing more than a fun popup year with a feel-good story with Sam. Nothing more nothing less. The rebuild is still in progress and won't be completed until either 25 or 26. But with the cap space they will have in 25 they might be able to plug all the holes. Fans are stupid and if JJ starts slow whatever. Get over it. I am 65-with a bad ticker and all I want is One Before I Die! Whether I see that in a year or two is kind of questionable but I have faith this plan KAM and KOC have implemented will succeed.
We have entered the shadow realm where Coller is banging the drum to pay a non-elite QB elite QB money while blaming the offensive line for his troubles. Matthew did we learn nothing from 2018-2023?
They traded up to take JJ at #10 overall. He sat for a year and it's time to put him in there. As a Viking fan for over 50 years, I'd much rather see the team takes some lumps through the learning process of a youg QB. At least we'll see what we have rather than go through another year wondering. We may have Daunte Culpepper (pre injury) or we may have Christian Ponder. We need to know.
If he had not gotten hurt and had a full year on the active roster and
Practicing every week I’d be much more inclined to agree with you. But he hasn’t been
Darnold had a great year. If they bring him back or not.
This team needs to build the interior o line and on defense find ways to get to the QB without always having to blitz.
If they don't figure that out. Next season will just be another rebuild season.
On paying Darnold the franchise tag, I get that you can structure contracts to stay competitive for a window, but eventually that money does hit the books. Even if you set up the money to come out later, that's still enough that at SOME POINT over the next couple years you've abandoned the opportunity to get a high quality free agent. I know a rookie QB contract in the near term helps, but wasting money in the fringes around it is still bad business. imagine your rookie PLUS star free agents instead of your rookie plus dead cap.
QBs get too much credit when you win, and too much blame when you lose. Offer Sam $20 mil, have a true competition btwn Sam and JJ.
Great triple header episode 👍 feeling anxiously optimistic about the future
Great crew here
Was KOC's decision to stick with the downfield passing plan at all related to Darnold's strengths vs weaknesses (short/intermediate pass efficiency)? I know they did have occasional success with the checkdowns and TE dink-and-dunks, but Darnold was much better at downfield passes, right?
When you guys talk about Daniel Jones, it sounds exactly like how you and everyone else spoke about Sam Darnold. With our receivers, an interior OL upgrade, some tweaks, and KOC's quarterback-whisperer effect, Jones could be next year's Darnold. My bottom line is that Darnold has poisoned the well in Minnesota. The fan base wants him out. Before the Lions game, KOC was king of the castle. After these past 2 games, cracks have developed in the castle walls. Bringing Darnold back will add tremendous pressure on him because if Sam doesn't perform as well or better than this year, and that may not be possible, KOC will be crucified unless they make it to the Super Bowl. I don't think Kwesi will let Kevin put himself in such a vulnerable position. We need a veteran QB to compete for the job with McCarthy, but not Sam.
One thing Sam Darnold has proved that is he iowon more NFL games than Kirk Cousins who was paid 35 million for fours. In contrast, Sam was only paid 10 million last year. To be fair, the least should pay Darnold 30 million for two years if there were no JJ or 35 years for three years if there were no JJ Macarthy.
Watched a video of a Rams defensive player and he said they pretty much knew most of the plays called the whole game. KOC is too predictable. Lions knew it, Rams knew it. Time for KOC to give up play calling!!
You and Jeremiah Sirles are die hard Darnold fans
Listening to Coller talk himself into making the same mistake that the Giants made with Daniel Jones. Odd stuff.
Detroit took away Sam's first read putting Sam into progressions...he kept dropping his eyes to watch the rush, game over. Rams copied.
On the flip side when the Vikings pressured Goff especially in the 2nd half, Stafford too, both were able to hold the ball to the very last second, taking huge hits, delivering the ball making big plays downfield.
Because they kept their eyes down field and not on the rush like Sam did....just check it down is what Sam couldn't capture once that first read was gone.
If we have an experienced NFL QB next season I fully expect we can be in conversation to win the division. I just don't believe JJM is a 2025 starter for all the reasons you each mentioned. You know another QB who started too young and took years of development to recover? Sam Darnold. I fully trust KO to debut JJM when he's ready. Thanks for holding church with the divine trinity tonight, I really needed it.
Does paying Sam Darnold valuable cap money make up for giving him the bag to stay compared to using the money to fill other holes all over the roster? If you ask me, No he doesn’t. There’s only 4 QBs that fit that mold. Burrow, Allen, Mahomes, and Jackson. It’s silly to fall into the same trap as Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Rus Wilson, etc
@@Alexander-lc7dx@PurpleInsider has covered this topic many times, including in this very video
@ sure and paying Darnold after ONE GOOD SEASON with a complete collapse the last games would be insanity. They drafted a potential franchise rookie QB so they could leverage a rookie contract and spend money on other areas. Stick to the plan. Darnold is not the guy.
Then let’s just never play JJ. Stash him until he’s 36 and then he might finally be able to throw a pass in the NFL
@@Alexander-lc7dxJJ McCarthy is still younger than most rookies in this draft class, is not remotely close to NFL shape, and coming off an injury acquired from a third string player in a preseason game. Do you watch the show or just look for arguments in the comments? If you don't understand the logic, ask Matthew again, we have another 60 days where I'm sure he'll address the question at least weekly much better than I can in the comment section. Only the Jets use Madden and shouting football shows to make decisions. Good ones like the Vikings use logic when presented with new information. Maybe it works out for Sam or Danny Dimes here, maybe it doesn't. I'm sure they'll make the right choice with vastly more information than any of us has.
Sam is a valuable reference to see whether JJ Macarthy has fully healed and game conditioned and is the better answer
I'm sorry but when did holding the ball for almost 4 sec every passing down become the norm? Although KOC didn't throw him under the bus, he definitely thought Darnold could've played better, he's NOT coming back for 25-30M per season, I don't care what cap space the Vikings have
Because of the kicking game, Sam and KOC were pressed to produce touchdowns. Too much for a new QB to bear!
Sam is still the best bridge QB for the Vikings to reach JJ MaCarthy!
They need an impact running back.
Like JJ Jefferson said, Sam is not to blame!
We haven't had a good offensive line since steve hutchinson
Sam Darnold was the distraction and scapegoat because No one is discussing the bad referee reverse call of the fumble to tie the game! Who knows if it would impacted the game trajectory.
Franchise tag and TRADE. If no trade, remove the tag
The Vikings overachieved. In reality they are a ten win team. If they want to compete with Philadelphia or Detroit they need to get big nasty centers and guards, a big defensive tackle and defensive end that can get their own pressure, and some corners and a safety. Long way to go before they are legit contenders.
Things will calm down over the next 6 weeks and GMs will become enamored with Darnold’s stats. Vikings should franchise tag him and trade him. Or let some enamored GM outbid you and pay you two picks.
I dont know why bringing up the realities of JJ McCarthy upsets fans so much. Him needing development doesn’t mean he isn’t the future
Remember, Sam was withe the Vikings in his only first year. Imagine if Sam could be with the Vikings as long as Cousin!😊
adding by subtraction....Vikes gonna lose coaches and plalyers and have to find personnel all over again...IF McCarthy is a bust this franchise is in trouble.....
Be done & gone with Sam Darnold. Ive ridden the wave long enough. Ive been a Viking fan for 50 years. If? They keep Sam Darnold & havent figured it out,then they really have problems,and will endure many more keeping Sam Darnold. Im over it and moving on from Sam Darnold.
pain
What's next? Keep doing the same thing, expecting different results
Still
Keeps
On
LOLZ
@ Jefferson is sitting on your lap right now so chill
@@brokentubing Jefferson is a bit ch.
give a fuc bout dude.
But Washington????
You can’t handle Washington ???
At home???
@@MINNESOTA_PTSD The Vikings couldn't beat the Lions, period. What you need to do is take the p@nties off KOC, Jefferson, and the rest of your offense. Flexing while the Vikings at home getting nine points is crazy
@@brokentubing your team choked.
On national TV. As 10 point favorites.
Straight got they ass handed to them.
This a Viking page.
Your bit ch ass don’t belong here.
Running yo bit ch as s mouth.
Take that L bee-otch.
Matt,
This was an excellent episode. Thanks.
Nothing …Not a dang thing will change!
🤣🤣Didn't expect that
More flops,
I would honestly stick with Sam if i were the Vikings. He needs the experience to improve. Of course, he won't get the contract he wanted.
Vikings fans HEAVILY overvalue McCarthy IMO. He is TINY.