The State of the Black Quarterback | The Players' Tribune
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2019
- Former NFL quarterbacks, Warren Moon and EJ Manuel, discuss the state of the African-American quarterback with current NFL QB's, Deshaun Watson and Josh Dobbs. In partnership with Bevel.
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I wish Steve McNair was alive to be up there with them he would have so much insight to pass down.
🙌🏾🙌🏾👍🏾✊🏾
Randall Cunningham is who they should add also.
@@Nottotv unlv
@@Nottotv You can add Joe Gilliam as well.
Jim Gilliam and James Harris.
Here in Houston, most of us realize the impact that Moon had in this city. His play allowed Steve McNair and now Watson the opportunity to shine. Thanks Warren.
If Moon had went to the NFL immediately after college, his records would be untouched to this day.
I agree
Combined with his CFL and NFL records they are untouchable, including his CFL championships!
@@B1GNole totally agree! Wish the CFL was counted
FACTS 💯
If he went straight to the NFL, teams MAY have cut him because of his race and not have given him a legitimate chance to play. He obviously was 1st round talent when he came out of Washington
Thank y'all for doing this. These sports commentators are still using highly coded language when Black quarterbacks are discussed no matter how well they throw or play. Keep being great fellas
wavenstein dude I agree 💯 with, they did that shit with my Ravens L Jackson
Idk why I was pissed when the bears drafted trubisky over Watson and mahomes and traded up to get the guy how stupid lol
"No matter how well they throw" which is usually crappy. They use their strongest muscles to play - which are their legs. White QB's use their strongest "muscle" - which is their brain.
@@esmomo2561 L. Jackson is a typical all-black QB - can't audible, just takes the play from his helmet, then runs the ball when the defense has the play covered. Teams get all-black QB's when they want to win 1-2 years....they get a white QB when they want to win for 10-12 years or more.
Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson are two top 5 QBs today and that's not even mentoning Deshaun Watson or guys on the come up like Lamar Jackson,Dak, and Jacoby Brissett. I think African American QBs are killing it right now.
Jordan Davis true
Shit Kyler Murray was just picked #1 .....
Cam Newton was drafted #1 overall....
It's finally become okay to actually play to the strengths of the QB's. It wasn't just black QB's punished by that adjustment. Guys like Heath Shuler also got punished by being asked to run these intricate offenses after playing simpler stuff in college when it catered to their athleticism. The NFL has been slow in adapting in this area.
Not just black some polynesian QBs is on the rise
he said jacoby brissett haha
Randall Cunningham Warren Moon Doug Williams Charlie Ward & Tommie Frazier are the reasons I play quarterback back in middle school and high school...
That Nigga GHOST Moon was the reason I wore #1 and played QB in high school!! #Respect
Remove Frazier and add Rodney Pete and you pretty much have my boyfriend's list. Hahaha
That Nigga GHOST Great list! Tommie Frazier was an absolute beast. To go 2-1 (which actually should have been 3-0) in consecutive years in the National Championship game against Fla St., Miami, and Florida is nothing short of remarkable. Tommie Frazier was one of the best option quarterbacks in college football history. I’d put him up there with Tony Rice and Darian Hagan.
Don't forget Andre Ware, played for the University of Houston was drafted number 1 overall by the Detroit Lions but never played a game in the NFL.
fif ward 2 things 1. Ware was drafted 7th overall. 2. Ware started 5 games in his career for the lions before never getting chance to really succeed or fail. Whether that was ownership or coaches I’m not sure but it’s still a mystery why no one gave him a shot.
As a lot of people are witnessing, the qb position has changed a lot! I thank Warren Moon for paving the road for the future.
Dak, Mahomes, Wilson, Jackson, and Watson are now becoming the faces of the nfl! Anytime those players are on my tv, I’m watching.
thanks for this. warren moon one of the best ever period hands down. great man great leader.
Great QB, PoS of a man
Mike Rich do you know him personally ? Do a few mistakes or poor choices over a couples of years of ones life make them a pos for the sum total of their lives ? If so then 95% of us are “pos.”. Redemption, give a man a chance at it !!! King David In the Bible is considered a great man, a man after God’s own heart yet he committed adultery then tried to cover it up and later had the women’s husband set up to be killed. Yet he wrote 70+ psalms in the Bible ! Who are we to call someone a “pos” esp based off what we heard or read about them? Always more to the story !
@@mikerich3378 Don't know much about Moon off the field can you elaborate? Disregard Google & Wikipedia search and I got a picture of why you made that statement.
@@sonojah history of beating his spousal abuse. The major beatdown kind
@@mikerich3378 Yeah saw that another abusive sexual deviant athlete apparently
Shout out to all of the Black Quarterbacks that weren't given a fair shot, or an opportunity to be a Quarterback in the NFL. There have been many guys that switched positions or weren't drafted at all despite success in college.
I appreciate EJ Manuel for this.
I appreciate Warren Moon for sharing his wisdom.
Not every "Black Quarterback" will be successful, however, they should be given the opportunity to fail. No handouts, just the same amount of opportunity. From youth football through high school, onto college and the NFL.
Respect to all the guys that have endured and shined.
Josh Dobbs ✊🏾 "Never be the victim, don't buy into the victim mentality" ~ That holds true for Black men not only in sports, but in real life.
Great post Mo
they all have a vicims mentality tho
@@peenhead9938 define "they"
@@peenhead9938 if you aren't a Black man or play in the NFL please, please STFU. Please.
@@mobrown1198 do you play in the Nfl lol loser
Warren Moon is a class-act.
He dealt with the racism the most during his era and truly is a trailblazer
Shout out to Doug Williams 1st black QB to win a Super Bowl! And all the black QBs that came before him.. I was a big Warren Moon fan! the run & shoot... One of best offensive teams, never had a great defense.. wanted him to win a super bowl
Crazy bc before this comment I have never even heard of this guy. Not one time have I even heard the name. Who did he win it with?
@@deez9805 Doug won a ring with the Skins back in 87
Darius Ewing notice he didn’t really play again after that SB. Lol. He wasn’t pose to win and they didn’t want him too
Devin X He won with the redskins against Elway's broncos.
Doug hasn't helped kids. He has a a platform. When, Doug was the coach at Grambling, Tom Shaw asked Doug to help a player from Grambling. He was asked to back him. Doug refused because, he didn't like the kid. Stop thinking people that mad it are good people.
This is incredible!!! People forget how good of an athlete Warren moon was!!💯
Tha Nigerian #Facts
No doubt
I didn't forget. He used to roast a lot teams.
Take the Athlete out it - He was a great QB. PERIOD
Raul Salazar I will keep that in mind (no titles means your a bum) so that means JJWatt is a bum
If the bears had Watson instead of trubisky they would already be the best team in the NFC
Facts... lolz
Definitely they would have... that makes me mad they made that choice
I'm from Texas. I know y'all hurt with Trubisky. Lolz.
Facts💯💯
Speaking of Chitown, Vince Evans was a Black QB that did his thing for the Bears in the 70's...he gets overlooked a lot when discussing Black QBs.
Good interview to give more perspective of being a black quarterback
Austen Hernandez that too but that’s to be expected
Dobbs and EJ really...??? D.Wat and Moon are awesome but the other two never performed at the highest level... With Cam and Vick, shit R.Wilson or Randal Cunningham, ok, real prospective
@@spikeymikey7975 EJ wasn't give the proper chance to develop! Just like Tyrod Taylor in Buffalo. Buffalo fans wanted a white qb like Jim Kelly, leading their franchise. They never wanted a black man. And surely didn't want to build around them and to play to what they were good at! So before you start criticizing EJ and other dude, think about that.
@@VAbulldog82 EJ Manuel was never good enough period. Race aside, he is one of many QBs both black or white that didn't make the leap from College. Teams don't want their picks to fail and not to build around them so to assume that teams want Jim Kelly, John Elway and Dan Marino because they are white sturdy QBs is a race card used to prove a point, which it is not...
Lamar Jackson went 30th in the draft because of his playing style which requires a complete change of offensive scheme. He only threw for 3000 yards which is low, but 36 TDs at 6 Int is awesome plus 1000 yards on the ground and 4 TDs. This style is rare, we have seen it successfully only really twice with Michael Vick and Lamar, both black.
D. Watson, Russell Wilson, Mahomes, Kyler Murray are the future greats of the NFL, all black or mixed race. Better examples than Dobbs and EJ Manuel. The best QBs are black and the best RB last year was white, go figure.
And how many foreign players now play in the NFL, you don't even know...
@@spikeymikey7975 First off race will always be a factor in the Nfl when it comes to the Qb position. The Nfl is a conservative league that want the face of the Nfl to be White. Nobody has to be a genius to see that. Nobody saying Ej was the Michael Jordan of football, but they could have done more to help him improve. Second why do you have to throw for 5000 yards to be a great Qb? Why cant Lamar Jackson just play the style of Qb he wants and not get criticize? The Raven are 14-2 and not by chance! He must be doing something right. Who is anyone to say 3000 yards passing is not enough?! If they are 14-2. If Baker Mayfield was doing the things LJ did this year, he would be looked at as Jesus Christ. 3rd you don't have to tell me that the best Qb in the league are black. Lamar Jackson, Watson, Mahomes, Murray are still developing as passer, but one thing is for sure, Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Mayfield, surely can't do what they do.
Warren Moon is a top 10 QB of all time, period. He passed as beautifully as Dan Marino did. Those Oilers teams had explosive offenses with him at the helm.
Captain Spiral.
Lol not even top 50
King Draco Are you half man half dinosaur?
@@jonmolina948 yea
Run N Shoot
Great panel discussion. Josh has an engineering degree. Smart young brotha!!
Not dissing a degree, that's hard work and dedication... But as a panelist representing African-American Quarterbacks... Not in my top 30 bro
@@spikeymikey7975 Any statement which starts with "Not dissing", But ... is usually followed by a diss.
Shout out to the University of Washington for having Warren be one of the few collegiate QB’s back then, before him they had my hero Sonny Sixkiller at QB. Rare air back then to have a native under center.
An Michael Jackson at middle linebacker runnin the defense. 👎
Warren Moon is the best to ever do it
What about Doug Williams?
Captain Everyman Doug opened the door, Warren was that guy!!!!
Cunningham
Danny Bo one wears a Gold Jacket one doesn’t. You be the judge.
Warren and I played in the same era I'm 64 started at QB 3 years in HS a drop back passer , and reading defense's every college that contacted me wanted to see at LB it felt insulting.
This is more than football. This can be broken down to societal issues and more. This is too real.
Faaacts,it's always been that way
@@matthewd6306 man shut your dumb ass up boy stop bitching😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@matthewd6306 they put the best on the field, I haven't heard of one outstanding Asian in football ever. No disrespect, but your low key racist statement makes no sense. I don't know what world you live in, but if you're black doing anything you have to excel in it, no affirmative bullshit over here.#sayonara
@@MrScans1 because they not given a chance dumb ass. just like u cry black are held back at shit. u think black gets look down on? foo u dont know whats its likee b asian. they think all we can do is math and kungfu. and no we are not udner 5'10 like the media make us out to be. there millino asian over 6'0 some even taller than black and whites.
@Dr. Fresh_2k dick wad, blacks where kept out of the QB club because of jerks that think like you, not because they couldn't play the position. That has been disproven a thousand time over. Good day😁
Im so glad a veteran qb sat down with the future of the nfl....noice
Warren Moon 🌙 Best pure passer ever. Most of his passes were airtight spirals that we’re always catchable and rarely off target 🎯 Just to think, he was forced to play 6 years in the CFL because of his skin color...definitely would have owned most passing records if he didn’t lose time.
Chris Nguyen you should check out some of his highlights with the Houston Oilers
@Chris Nguyen your white,why would u
@Chris Nguyen he's Hall of famer, maybe he's before ur time
@Chris Nguyen Eli is a hall of famer mainly for the 2 wins over the patriots, take those away he's borderline @ best just going by his stats. Any time a QB is in the Hof with no super bowl appearances/victories he has numbers out of this world. Moon's nfl/CFL stats r off the charts. Yes CFL does count.
@Chris Nguyen where were u in 88 when Doug Williams set all kind of passing records and won the super bowl. Moon went 2 the CFL because he refused 2 play anything than QB. Russell Wilson should really have 2 titles
It's a trip to hear these guys speak. I actually wanted Spike Lee to do a documentary on Black QBs and have RG3, Andre Ware, Akili Smith, D Mac, Donte Culpepper, Aaron Brooks, Vick, Cunningham, Quincy Carter, Charlie Batch, Charlie Ward and others about what they went through. What they are saying I can directly relate to with my work experiences. Not only myself but other highly qualified Blacks being placed in lower level jobs. It's like literally taking someone who belongs in the 8th grade and placing them in the 5th. I've seen Black women with Master Degrees work entry level positions because no one would hire them at their skill set level. I've seen the NFL do a lot of slick shit to Black QBs for years and I never liked it. I actually staged my own NFL protest when Charlie Ward didn't get drafted. I didn't watch the NFL for a whole year. At the end of the day, I think Charlie did the best thing for him and the NFL really got the short end of the stick. The NFL really means "Not For Long" when it comes to starting and Black up Quarterbacks. They put far more pressure on Black QBs than white ones. They've driven people like Quincy Carter and Joe Gilliam to drinking and drugs. Speaking of pressure and the difference based on skin color, Teddy Bridgewater came in for Drew Brees yesterday and people acted like they were so disappointed in his play. I had to tell them that first of all Drew didn't play well against them last year and he had a healthy offensive line and a whole week of preparation and a whole season of chemistry with the starting receivers. Yesterday, their best offensive lineman was hurt and the backup continuously held Aaron Donald prompting constant 3rd and 20s. The Saints played on the road and he hasn't had time to build cohesive chemistry with the receivers. I was amazed to that there weren't many if any slants to the Tight Ends, draw plays and screens. There are people who are already calling for Teddy to be benched. This shit is sad!!
If Teddy was Mahomes complexion proably wouldn't hear the benching thing black people are used to being led bye other people we are only good serving other people's interest. This is the sad state of affairs not all of us but far to many especially our women and they raise the children so it's going to be an uphill battle to change that mindset!
Super sad from beginning of time to now RACISM destroyed of whole lives
@CJ Jordan I don't know about him. Thanks for educating me. I'll research him now.
Jason Campbell
Thanks bro bc I wanted to hear that from someone. Bc I’m a saints fan too and the fact people would rather have Taysom Hill over Bridgewater was devastating. Teddy led the Vikings to the playoffs in the middle of the season but everyone forgets that like RG3. Even I hear black people say they would rather have Hill. The ironic part was Hill is more of a mobile qb than Teddy but it comes to show it is about skin color and not mobility or quality. Sean Payton said Hill was a football player meaning he knew Hill wasn’t a true qb. Bridgewater never had the chance to show ppl his style of play not Brees or Hill’s but his. Now saints fans love Teddy now bc of his 5-0 streak. Even now they are doing it with Jameis bc he threw for 30 int but he still has so much potential and is still in his prime. Idk why ppl in Louisiana be racist towards black qb bc Aaron Brooks led us to our first playoff win. But it’s up to us to make sure we back up our black qb bc if we don’t no one else will.
Big Warren Moon fan. Still the only black QB in the CFL and NFL Hall of fame.👊🏾
Big props to EJ for this. I would like to see it again with Ex-NFL players like Kordell Stewart, Josh Freeman, Jeff Blake, Jason Campbell, Tony Banks, T Martin, Rohan Davey, etc.
Being from Houston I still remember the Bills games. It was heartbreaking as a Houstonian to see the Oilers come so close but Warren Moon is still a Hall of Fame QB.
Where's Doug Williams?🤔
Jeffery Jackson wym ? Where’s Mcnabb? Cunningham ? Culpepper? Cam ? Vick ? RG3 ? Jackson ? Kap? No way they could’ve had every black qb, I enjoyed this panel
@@GoatedCulturePodcast Kordell Stewart
@@powderedtoastfacekillah734 I am a die hard Steelers Fan# 😂😂😂😂🔥🔥🔥That is why...
Nydia Price I left a lot of guys out BUT I’ll admit I should’ve included kordell Stewart n my comment he really was good ! Sadly forgotten
@@GoatedCulturePodcast 😂😂😂REAL PITTSBURGH FAN.....(Eventhough I am from Oakland😂😂👍👍).
It saddens me to think of all the stats and years lost to Warren Moon in the NFL because they denied him so many years on false hoods and pure prejudice and ignorance. Could've been easy for Warren Moon to sit back on his money and H.O.F. credentials and not care about the future, but he's a great man for giving his support. Imagine being ostracized because you're super talented and of dark skin tone. Now imagine being talented, dark and brash/confident in yourself, they really target you. People of prejudice against African descended people really hate when you're confident in yourself, and vocal against them, this is why players like Allen Iverson and Michael Vick always had a larger target on their back. This was a super intelligent panel & much needed conversation. African descended people have had this discussion for decades in sports, good to see mainstream media discuss it, wonder what opinions will be about it from people of non-color???
14:56. Wow. Ej predicted Ben would get hurt and he did blew his elbow in the 2nd game of the steelers this season
16:48 That watermelon comment reaggravated Deshaun's rib injury
Lol watermelon wtf.. thats foul... I loved the Randall Scramble back in the day..
Doug Williams actually had someone send him a rotten watermelon with a note attached.
However, If Moon did decide to throw a watermelon, it would be the tightest most beautiful spiral ever. Nobody will argue that.
This was a wonderful conversation to watch and get perspective from! Very intellectual! Much respect for all these brothers!!
They need Jeff Blake in there to
Hearing Warren talk about how progress has been made since the Steelers were keeping Joshua as a developmental prospect - knowing that between this being shot and it being uploaded, Joshua was traded - is heartbreaking
Love this. Warren Moon use to throw the prettiest sparrow ball! Truly an all time Hall of Famer!
Warren Moon's 1991 Oilers were scary good, I swear the Redskins and Oilers was going to play in Superbowl XXVI.
This made me a fan of Dobbs
Black qb's get raised different. I remember way back in the day (and I'm aging myself) Dan Reeves (who had just got replaced by Jim Mora Jr) spoke at this camp, and somebody asked him a question like, "what was it like to coach Mike Vick?" or something, and he said it was bittersweet because seeing how gifted Vick was, and how he had to coach him, he realized how coaching had failed him to that point. He said that he realized that every single coach, including himself pretty much told him to rely on athleticism when you're first read wasn't there. Like, make something happen. No one ever worked with him on fundamentals, and they tried to dumb down the playbook with half field reads etc. He was saying how there was a pre conception about Vick and he saw the improvement every year he was with him.
He said other stuff, but this is what I remembered that pertains to this subject. I think what he was getting at was that if his base was better he wouldn't have to learn so much and he could even be better than he was. I think it was the year we went to the nfc championship too
Warren Moon will forever be loved down here in H-Town 💯💯🤘🏾🤘🏾
I am a Ravens fan, who loves that they picked up Lamar Jackson ! He's an awesome, humble, hard working, down to earth kid, who I hope will go very far ! I think it's a damned shame that any people, (white, black or anyone) have talked about this amazing kid as if his accomplishments dont seam to count. I'm also glad he has used all the negative talk as an ammunition to drive him to want to be better, proving naysayers wrong. He won 6 of 7 games as a rookie last year leading his team to a playoff game. (Youngest NFL QB to ever start ain a playoff!) Most of what's been said about him since that game has been focused on his stats in that game. They said he cant throw.
Even though there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. After working his ass off throwing all off season, he's shown once again that he can definitely throw and everyone says, well that was against Miami.
I'm not sold...
Watching this and hearing Warren’s experiences pissed me off. Kinda put things back in prospective bc we forget sports can be.
Warren Moon ... one of the best period
great information from not only great quarterbacks but great men you may not reach them all but if you reach one it's worth all the hard work you guys put in. I have a boys club at my elementary school in Houston, I wish I could get someone like you guys to speak to them
Only new this channel existed for 10 seconds.... subscribed!
Love that these guys are speaking so candidly about this topic. Way better than hearing Stephen A Smith screaming nonsense and Jason Whitlock covering for White Supremacy.
Love this comment. Wanna like it twice but I can't hahahaha
What a great panel man, this was great to watch. Lots of dope insight. If i had to nitpick tho id say i wouldve loved to see Mike Vick speak his piece
This was beautiful would love to interview these guys one day. Especially Moon. This direction I'm trying to take my podcast
This is the equivalent toNBA players talking to Bill Russell. The NFL came with a nice piece right here. Very good viewing and conversation.
EJ saw the future about Ben didn't he! Wow. I thought Dion saying Ben wouldn't finish the season was crazy but that spot on.
D. Felix Photo hell yeah prime was spot on
It's crazy EJ Manuel says Ben can go down and it's your team..........Ben literally gets hurt 3rd game and out for the season...Talk about seeing the future lol
Yeah but they traded him so it's Mason Rudolph's team now
316ht and Mason Rudolph is ass but hes white so him and Nathan Peterman will probably be in the league for years
Don't you say that name around me,@@Akaya7777 don't you say it!
What's krazie about this is the white QBs that can scramble which they have a few Aaron Rodgers is the best of the White QBs to that but he gets praise for that and he's considered a mobile QB but Deshawn Watson is lable a running QB because of his skin color
Then boycott it put your money together and start your own league we can't huh? European domination in the economical department the BLACK man is Superman but that green currency is his kryptonite! Aiight.
The first was Steve Young
I love the 4 guys in the interview. Great to hear their experiences.
THNX!!!
Black quarterbacks are finally getting the recognition they deserve
they been they just suck stop with this black are not allow play qb. should we bring up white are not allow play running back until now? how about asian are not allow to play at all
The fact of the matter is the Chicago Bears did not want a black QB as the face of their franchise (Watson,Mahomes) that's why they picked Trubisky. Nothing Trubisky did in college would justify him being drafted ahead those two, let alone the Bears moving up and giving picks to draft him, it's inexcusable. I'm not even talking about accomplishments, I'm talking about having the minimum skill set it requires to play the position ( reading defenses, processing information, footwork, accuracy, moving defenders with your eyes) Trubisky lacks these traits, I'm a die hard Bears Fan
As a TRUE LIVE HARD FAN of the Bears i said the same thing, the BEARS did not want a Brotha as the face of the Franchise. Kordell Stewart and Vince Evans dont count. Chicago is still very much "segregated" and you can not tell me Mitch is/was the better of Deshawn and Patrick. I will ride for my dude MITCH, But he has to get us to the top.. My only problem with Mitch is he still stares down targets and he really needs to work with a true QB coach on his Mechanics in the off season. He Athletic enough and has a good enough arm but Im tired of seeing him throw a Drew Brees like pass then turn right around the next play and cant throw a flare to a rb out the back field. Balls too damn high atleast 4 to 6 times a game even if the reciever catch them from time to time. But yea Chicago didnt want a Brother to be all over bill boards in the city. SMH. We are damn near about to have flying cars in a few years and TODAY IN 2019/2020 some Organizations still can't get pass seeing a MELANATED BROTHER PLAYING QB FOR THEIR FRANCHISE... SMH
this was informative and very interesting to hear
I feel so lucky to have had a opportunity to watch Moon play!
Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, even Russell Wilson should've all been in this interview.
They all trash besides wilson and he's mixed
@@kingdraco3069 nah they ain't trash. Russ is the best but jameis and cam are franchise qbs. You realize cam won mvp right?
@@WeezerColdplay russ is mixed tho. Jameis is a damn bust. Cam Newton is trash rn
@@kingdraco3069 What's is Russ mixed with????
Bet you can't tell me, because both of his parents are African American.
Only time whites wanna claim a black person is mixed is when they are successful, but if you going to prison they gonna call you a black male.
Just stop it.
And Vick too
I feel bad for E.J the Bills did him so dirty smh
he ass
Yes they did!!!
Pro bowl qb several times
Allen is a duel threat they ain't hurting but yes they did do him wrong
Damn this was a deep conversation foreal much respect to all the QB at the round table 💯
Very dope and inspirational 🙏🏾
African-American QB's....will only get better & better, as time goes on....WE WILL SHOCK THE 🌍.....
google Negroes in the bible and click the first link
Are we shocked that a Quarter Back that is not white wins... No...
@TJ Stacks I like that
You guys already do lol some of the best arms were African American Qbs..and it's only gonna get better
Cam, Russ, Mahomes, McNabb, Kaep would love to see that group
Vick too
Enjoyed this roundtable discussion.
Anyone know the track@ the end, 20:02?
Russell Wilson would never have been on this show, can't believe Deshaun came on it. Amazing. Good for him.
There’s no reason why Watson wasn’t the first pick of that draft . Well there’s one reason smh
Mahomes and Watson both went after The white QB who's not close in talent to them
Exactly bro....that's why that Josh Dobbs "victim" comment is somewhat bullshit....just because I can speak things into existence and I can determine how I want my life to turn out, doesnt mean I'm not a victim of white supremacy and racism..if you are born a black man, you are born a victim, but you can STILL rise and have success. People dont know the difference
Myles Garrett has great for us tho...but I understand the reason too..
Conscious Pilot lol the bears aren’t going to win shit for trading for trubisky and they fucking deserve it. Watson and Mahomes were clearly the better and more experienced QBs.
watson hasnt done anything yet...
THIS IS A CLEAR EXAMPLE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO DAK PRESCOTT AND THE MAIN REASON THEY HOIST WENTZ OVER DAK WHEN DAK HAS OUTPLAYED WENTZ FROM THE DAY THEY CAME INTO THE LEAGUE.
MykiYah Yah-el sad part about it is that the black commentators say it too!!
travis padgett Shannon Sharpe is a culprit in that smh
@@antoineb9371 Shannon doesn't really hate Dak he just being a devil advocate
@@fordatimebeing playing the game to get a bag, they know better.
Nah sorry fam. Dak actually isn’t better lol.
Warren Moon 💯 shoutout Mrs. White at David Hill... she loved her some Warren Moon and had the whole elementary school watching the Oilers lol
Member hearing this similar discussion in the 90s as well
Anything we do as an African American is considered unacceptable
If Baker had the performance Lamar did last sunday People would be sucking him dry
delusional
@Jerico Thompson America invaded Mexico twice. The Spanish conquered the Aztec Empire and destroyed Mexico city. Latinos weren't even allowed inside the nation at its onset. Have a language and culture that took root in the Americas long before colonization. Never hear them go on about it. Let the past fucking die. All a different shade of Jussie Smollett. creating hate and keeping it alive where there is none
@@derpmcgurk5376 ah yes, playing one minority against the other, classic white people shit. Newsflash, you guys fucked over all group you encountered, every single one.
@Austen Hernandez your right,so why are u here giving your opinion. Isn't it a soccer game on or something
(5:43 - 6:20) = Warren Moon talks about sandbagging in order to fit into the status quo better.
Deshaun Watson's 40 Time = 4.66
You let me know if you think Watson was sandbagging.
Warren Moon was Awesome!
Big up to this moment I love my brothers. Keep shining nothing compares to you.
Watson should've been a Bear. Kills me every Sunday
Lmao it was the perfect situation.he would have saved John Fox job too 😂
Fuck the bears
I saw Warren moon so I clicked. Simple I guess
Perfect Video!!!!
Dope content 🔥🔥🔥 more of this
The couch should be W.Moon, D,McNabb, R. Wilson, C.Leak, & N. Marshall.
Add all them ,including Cam Newton and Jameis Winston.
I know them your boys but they 6-5”” the y should be doing better
"Not bad for a running back", Lamar Jackson. The bigotry is still alive.
FACTS... The bigotry in today's world is like Frankenstein, suppose to be dead but still walkin strong
As a black guy he had more rushing attempts all but five running backs one week. And there was several games where you had more rushing attempts then he threw the ball. I'm a Ravens fan and a black guy.
@@saintdockery5740 no you're not
@@FatmanNotFat yea I'm black
Saint Dockery “as a black guy” “I am black” stfu no black person needs to state they’re black in their comments you dweeb
Leading the way gentlemen. ✊🏾
Marlin Briscoe was the very first Black QB in the NFL. Marlin was drafted by the Denver Broncos in 1968.
Where is Doug Williams? He is the #1 person that should be there
He's at the store.
I used to love Black Qbs all the time in madden back in the day
Outstanding video
My Childhood QB EJ MANUEL
Josh Dobbs? Was Lamar Jackson, Cam Newton, Russel Wilson or Patrick Mahommes all unavailable?
Tommy Frazier from Nebraska that went to the patriots ?
Ikr he went to Canada for a year and left the game because of blood clots. He must have mentioned the bishop guy from kansas state.
Great sit down. . . . . 👍🏈
Seeing Deshaun Watson in this - a current player - is really good. His game this year has really improved to the point that him as a QB is respected
Warren Moon is a top 10 QB in NFL history I will listen to anything this dude says
Just imagine if he had spent his whole career in the NFL seven years of his career was in Canada
Nope Manning Brady Brees Montana Marino Favre Elway Rodgers Young Aikmen roethlisburger
@@peenhead9938 according to you lol not to me Big Ben and Aikman are not in my top 10, thanks for playing tho
@@georgeparker8198 0 superbowls cant be in top 10
@@peenhead9938 you can if you are as good as Warren Moon or Dan Marino the game isnt just about SBs because if that's the case why is Terry Bradshaw never mentioned among the greatest QBs of all time? My top 10 list includes Warren Moon and Dan Marino but I do agree SBs do matter that's why they are 9 and 10 in my personal top 10
The flux of black qbs, is going to be the blessing and curse, as the position becomes more athletic, the position will be devalued like the rb spot in time, due to the large amount of talent pool that could emerge, because the white qb will become more athletic too.
The black qb better maintain his skill level, both arm and legs, but must at all cost, become a line adjusting, defensive reading, and in time a play caller.
Because if he is just out there having plays fed to him and playing on pure talent, another pure talent with a lil extra can come along and take his place
Austen Hernandez you talking about the GOATS of course they aren’t as good
@@XDanimalzX Patrick mahomes is the greatest quarterback I've ever seen
06:45
Says so much about him as a person. 💯
I can identify with the panel iived in the 60s and played only QB in jr. High & high school where I was looked at as one of the best winning back to back championships. Went to a school during integration at a power program where I was the 2nd African American to play QB.
1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Russell Wilson
3. Dak Prescott
4. Deshaun Watson
5. Cam Newton
6. Lamar Jackson
7. Kyler Murray
This is an elite group of guys!
Jameis Winston too.
@@MrTampaMan he ass
Dak and Pat are biracial, they are not Black. They grew up with a white momma, big difference than the others who have 2 black parents.
@@DSmith365 ok whats ur point, their still black?
@@stephanemujomba5148 no they are not, they are Bi Racial. Which means they are BLACK AND WHITE. How u gon not recognize the WHITE part?
Mf’s always seem to forget Donovan Mcnabb. Idk if it was cuz he never won a chip or what but he was the Eagles for years in the 2000’s.
Great talk
Warren moon looks great for his age.
Only missing Vick, Wilson and Mahomes
People act like Mahomes is White it pisses me tf off
So fuk cam huh?
And Lamar Jackson
@@jordan12118 isn't that what they do to all biracial people when they get successful
@@jordan12118 half white
Damn! He's an engineering major and called him too smart? Racist much??? 😂😂
Yup Josh Dobbs is an aeronautical engineer
I personally felt every single part of this video!!!
Finally!!!!!! Thank you guys so much for speaking the truth!