A very fair review, Sam. A couple of little corrections … 1. I think you'll find that a reversing camera is standard on all Aussie spec Grenadiers. 2. The recovery points are rated at 4 tonnes (front) and 3.5 tonnes (rear). 3. There is not an option for electrically operated seats. Having owned my Grenadier for over a year now, I can confirm that for me, the driver footrest is not an issue, and the steering is easy to get used to (other than perhaps the large turning circle).
I had two 200’s, 2013 and 2021 both well modified BP-51’s, winches’s, aux fuel……. After owning my Grenadier I’d just assume throw rocks at both of them. Quartermaster is on order and gone is my Colorado ZR2 diesel.
After a few minutes, the steering feels just fine. Yes it is a little different than most modern rack and pinion steering, independent front suspension designs but it is nothing like difficult to master and once you do… it is a non issue.
@@user-yl9vs9eh1w Comparing the Grenadier is a natural thing to do although they are really different. I have owned Jeeps and liked them and yes, they have solid front axels and recirculating ball steering. They also steered nicely. The Grenadier is a much heavier build. It has payload and towing numbers that a jeep can’t touch. Have you driven a Grenadier yet? I’ve put about 300 miles on several and the steering was just fine.
Probably one of the best worded reviews on how it drives spot on. If you have old 4x4s you will love this. If you never go off-road and used to modern IFS vehicles and live in the city and buying this cause you think it looks cool, you won't cope. Buy a Patrol or a Land Cruiser.
In my opinion you've made an Honest and Accurate review. I've put 8,300 miles in 8 months on my Grenadier, and I feel the truck ticks all the boxes for me and the type of vehicle I want to drive. Is it perfect, no,, there are a few electronic niggles that are bothersome, The display/infotainment system disappoints in many areas. Keep in mind I'm comparing to my 2024 Land Rover Defender that I traded for the Ineos But I think the concept and approach to the design of this truck is on mark for those of us who use the vehicle for what it's intended purpose. My opinion to those wanting to own something unique, but have no plans on using it for it's intended purpose, I'd say take a pass, This is a new approach to the old school 4X4 of basic off road driving. Even with it's faults, I truly enjoy the driving experience of this machine.
Unlike other 4wds you can drive in low range 4wd "unlocked" centre diff up to 80 kmh, on hard surfaces. All 8 gears are available. Great for beach driving and for towing heavy loads.
I will definitely buy one. Seen on in green looks awesome even though I don’t go off road. The B58 engine I have in my M340i and love it. Been reliable I have 109K miles on it now.
Ceramic VTX Pro window tinting on the Safari windows and the problem goes away. All the advantages of the Safari Windows and none of the problems. Love them on mine in central Queensland
You were surprised that in the off-road menu it said Attitude. One meaning of Attitude is “the orientation of an aircraft or spacecraft, relative to the direction of travel”. So it’s the pitch, roll, yaw of the vehicle. Possibly including the azimuth and elevation. Yes altitude is included in the Attitude sub-menu. So yes, they Do mean Attitude not altitude. The attitude of the vehicle - where it’s pointed. There is a major flaw with the dual battery set up. It’s not wired as a separate auxiliary battery. They connect it to the main battery so they discharge together. And it’s an AGM not a lithium. Not sure why at 22’11’ you have a bottle of water on the back bumper resting on the ladder though…
As an owner of +20,000kms - there are only two issues that remain problematic in my lived experience and cannot be fixed. > Footwell ergonomics are quite obviously bad and get worse the longer the trip... the left footrest forces you into an uncomfortable position no matter how you set up the seating position. Some owners are ok with it, others hate it. Not a single person loves it - and they are lying if they tell you that it is better being there than not. > Lumbar support on the Recaro is non-existent, being almost inverted backwards from a natural/relaxed spinal position. Again, some owners like it and others hate it. Quality of vehicle is excellent, performance is excellent, off road is excellent, on road is great except for comfort of above elements, looks amazing, feels as solid as it looks, no rattles, no shaking panels over bumps!
Android Auto works via Bluetooth, use it everyday on my Grennie, not sure why you're saying it is wired only, aside from reading other people's bad copy and not testing yourself... I live in the city and have no issue with driving, but yes turning circle is that of any truck with a front locker and live axle. But if you are not offroading you can adjust the steering bump stops in 10 minutes and take 2 meters off the turning radius. You are spot on with the comparison, this is a budget G Wagon, but a build oriented directly at being a great over lander.
I want one but with portals and CTIS, which would make it the dream off-roader. Hopefully with time the cost of portal options comes down as demand increases.
Great review, fair honest and on point with the balancing act Ineos pulled off to produce a unique, capable and comfortable off-roader that’s neither a jeep nor a 76.
Let’s ignore the fact that the winch has only 10m of usable rope & the dual battery system, while good, is not set up for camping - it discharges both equally so you can lose your crank battery. Other than that, not a bad review
Well worded concise review without repeating things. With you owning an old defender you are in a good position to compare. Disappointing to only have 3 minutes of off road review for 35 minute review for a vehicle focused for off-road driving, but well worded and summarised. Clearance, weight, payload and wading depth definitely an issue when it was supposed to better the new defender. Missed how when seats fold down they are not flat with the rear which makes things difficult for sliding/packing large items or sleeping. Hopefully it will be able to be improved and good to see some more competition for off-road vehicles. Would be good to be able to lock a rear well for turning sharper when needed. They did say they would supply technical manuals to service and maintain yourself but not sure if they have come through with this promise yet. Would like to know more about cost and availability of spare parts. One review talked about over $1100 I think for a replacement key and spare wheel hub seemed excessive too.
Long distance? Range? Fuel consumption off-road and on road? Fuel tank capacity sufficient? Can’t do hard tracks because of clearance, that’s fine. Then it should have range for long distance off-road driving?
Sam, so good to see the Ineous going thru its paces, Ronny Dahl has been showing how capable they are as well. Curious, those side turning indicators, they lead me to believe that particular vehicle has had a GVM upgrade, maybe explaning the bright yellow coil also. As I said, curious. Ineous did some curious things to test vehicles, in Darwin could have purchased one with all red chassis, now that stood out on an all black field master. I'm still waiting on YOUR Tank 500 off road review. Regards Wealie.
Cat 6 indicators are required for all vehicles over 3500kg GVM the Grenadier has a GVM of 3550kgs hence the need for the indicators same for the new 79 series ute. They all have yellow coils, GVM upgrade has silver coils.
@@mikefoster7085 Thanks for info. Indicators, yes, I just hadn't noticed the style of indicators on Ruben's when he complained how it fell out of his air intake, poor fitment & not sealed. As for the Yellow springs, the only one I looked at in detail had the red chassis, it certainly didn't have yellow springs, possibly red, as coils didn't stand out as yellow would have. Take your word for it they're all yellow, just presumed they'd been black.
@@ianweal3081 the only difference in springs is the coloured triangles on them denoting the spring rate depending on options fitted at the factory. Red chassis isn't an option any more unfortunately 😕
I think its a mercedes G professional. That was 4x4 of the year….. until the fleet market saw it for what it was. Id like this to succeed but I doubt it
yes ...but we don't get a G wagon professional in the U.S. we get the top top of the line luxury mobile , more at home on rodeo drive or the valet car park of some very high end shopping center or posh resort in Palm Springs
My US dealer in august sold more Grenadiers than all four other brands the auto group offers combined. And no one knows what it is. My son even lived next to an 4x4 specialist shop and when I parked my grenadier out from of his house the entire shop emptied to come find out what it was. The response from the shop owner, “jeep better watch their butts”.
Sam, firstly, a great review. I don't think INEOS gave you the best vehicle/options for this test. You would have been better off with the Trialmaster - steel rims, raised intake, lockers etc. Any serious off roader would not be going for the 'Soft Pack' options, nor the petrol option. The $129k price is confusing given the wacky options specced to this vehicle. Unlike any other 4WD on the market, you can literally take the Grenny (with the right options) and head off on a trip around Australia. You don't need to fit after market seats, upgrade the suspension, new tyres, dual battery, power outputs, lockers etc etc. The only think you would need to consider is fuel capacity.
You are wrong about serious off-roaders not going for petrol. They use petrol in the U.S. for almost all off-road vehicles. And even in Australia there’s many reasons to avoid diesel. Modern turbo petrol engines have plenty of low down torque. I will never buy diesel - I’d go EV before considering diesel. You can take a factory Defender with the options you want around Australia straight from the showroom too. And in more comfort.
@@jerrymyahzcat US is very different to Australia. In certain remote indigenous communities, you cannot buy petrol. With the Ineos' very poor tank size (90lts), combined with the fuel consumption of the petrol engine, this severely limits it as a serious remote tourer.
@ I know there are issues with that in remote places but (and maybe I’m wrong) I thought every fuel station was required to sell a minimum of Diesel and 91 octane petrol (or low aromatic petrol). And certainly there are many who would argue that touring with petrol is no more difficult than with diesel. In places where there’s only 91 you’ll have to take an octane booster though if you beee premium.
yes and its not a loaded 3 row luxury family school bus , must have a massive sunroof , 2nd row entertainment screens , power , fold ,tilt every thing , like most wagons /s.u.v.s sold have independent rear axle " for a smooth ride and leg room for the 3rd row " ineos put utility back into sports utility vehicle
I was concerned about reliable as well and why I didn’t pre order. Considering my 200 series LC before 100,000 miles needed a water pump, radiator and timing chain cover oil leak repair and the driver mirror stopped retracting cost to repair $2,300 dollars, reliability is a matter of perspective. The B58 is frequent modified to produce 700+ horsepower and remains “reliable” at 280 horsepower it should run forever conceivably. Things are easier to work on too, ever replace an alternator on a 200?
BMW engines are well known for being difficult once they age a bit. Generally have too many parts that are designed to last out the warranty. Maybe the B58 will be different but it’s too early to tell. It’s not about the horsepower they can reliably take, it’s about smaller parts that break as they age and then cost far too much to replace. Hopefully my concerns are misplaced because I conceptually like these.
@@peterj5751 I agree with your statements and considering all the issues and costs I’ve had with my 2013 200 series Land Cruiser in its first hundred thousand, none being catastrophic engine related admittedly, put’s reliability in perspective. BMW has made some great improvement especially with the various iterations of their inline six cylinders though over the last 8 or 10 years and increased horsepower and higher rpm’s should effect essentially every moving part on an engine so the tuning that Magna did on the Grenadiers B58 hopefully will extend reliability some. All wishful thinking with some logic to generate a modicum of confidence but like you say only time will tell. Last thing, this B58, has gone through all that is required by Toyota for performance and reliability as it is used in the Supra. Thanks for the conversation. 👍
If you don't use front locker you can adjust the steering bump stops in ten minutes by swapping jam nut with a couple washers and improve the turning radius by two meters.
No, I've got a poor man's G, a 300CDI Military, successor to the legendary 290GD. Manual window winding, bare metal floors and a return to bad-back front seats. That's poverty. Nearly 15 years in, I'm still rueing selling the 290 and Grenadier is a future replacement contender if W464 G Wagen never appears in civilian registrable form.
Appreciate the content however this feels like it was sponsored by Grenadier due to the incongruity with the feedback from other professional reviewers.
Buy one and then start building into a real 4x4 tourer if you want to tour this great land .. $5k for a winch 🤣 Have another $50k spare to build into capable car, fix the steering and suspension and ride, ext fuel tank ( but still inadequate) fit out rear and add roofrack and RTT
@@SaltShack - 100% correct. I’m not disagreeing but having a bit of experience in long distance touring remotely and already speaking to a few owners and experiencing first hand some idiosyncrasies, to make into a real off-road tourer, you would need to spend some coin to get to that level where you are confident with a bit more lift, larger tires, adjustable suspension for different terrain, quality camp and driving lights, more fuel (not in Jerry’s) rock sliders, bull bar, roofrack and possibly a RTT , rear drawers and reasonable sized fridge freezer. However off showroom floor it is probably one of the most capable passenger 4x4 on the market. ✅
@@tonyf7997I've just completed a 5k klm remote journey in my Grenadier, you don't need all of the suspension upgrades you speak of to do that, LR tank- yes. But the rest isn't needed. We do have the 3800 GVM also.
Havent they stopped production now, due to Recaro going bust? These things are overpriced IMHO. For something thats supposed to be basic, agricultural and 'built for purpose'.. No workshop manuals available and atill a very new platform... I cant see the value here when there are viable alternatives.
I get that the steering will inherently feel different due to the life front axle and recirculating ball steering box, but I don’t see why it needs to be heavy and slow to steer. Nor why it needs to have little self centering. The Jeep Cherokee in the late 70’s and early 80’s had light, quick steering and a good turning circle so I reckon there is room for improvement for the series 2 version of these.
The "basic", "agricultural", "priced like a ford ranger" stuff was bollocks all along I think. Just clever marketing to get attention. It was always going to end up more like a g-wagon.
A very fair review, Sam. A couple of little corrections …
1. I think you'll find that a reversing camera is standard on all Aussie spec Grenadiers.
2. The recovery points are rated at 4 tonnes (front) and 3.5 tonnes (rear).
3. There is not an option for electrically operated seats.
Having owned my Grenadier for over a year now, I can confirm that for me, the driver footrest is not an issue, and the steering is easy to get used to (other than perhaps the large turning circle).
Correct. No electrically operated/adjustable seat option.
Actually prefer not having electric seats
12 months and 30,000 kms on mine and I love it.
30,000 K and mine does not rattle - A great truck... Much better than my 200 series
I had two 200’s, 2013 and 2021 both well modified BP-51’s, winches’s, aux fuel……. After owning my Grenadier I’d just assume throw rocks at both of them. Quartermaster is on order and gone is my Colorado ZR2 diesel.
Great to see a manufacturer building a solid axel 4wd. Imagine the front and back axel track width matching😉
Italian tractor axles at that!
After a few minutes, the steering feels just fine. Yes it is a little different than most modern rack and pinion steering, independent front suspension designs but it is nothing like difficult to master and once you do… it is a non issue.
Then why is Wrangler with same setup almost so much better? Recirc&solid front isnt the reason it is the implementation that is unfortunate
@@user-yl9vs9eh1w Comparing the Grenadier is a natural thing to do although they are really different. I have owned Jeeps and liked them and yes, they have solid front axels and recirculating ball steering. They also steered nicely. The Grenadier is a much heavier build. It has payload and towing numbers that a jeep can’t touch. Have you driven a Grenadier yet? I’ve put about 300 miles on several and the steering was just fine.
Probably one of the best worded reviews on how it drives spot on. If you have old 4x4s you will love this. If you never go off-road and used to modern IFS vehicles and live in the city and buying this cause you think it looks cool, you won't cope. Buy a Patrol or a Land Cruiser.
Saw one in my neighborhood, and it was so beautiful.Definitely will be looking into these.
In my opinion you've made an Honest and Accurate review.
I've put 8,300 miles in 8 months on my Grenadier, and I feel the truck ticks all the boxes for me and the type of vehicle I want to drive.
Is it perfect, no,, there are a few electronic niggles that are bothersome, The display/infotainment system disappoints in many areas. Keep in mind I'm comparing to my 2024 Land Rover Defender that I traded for the Ineos
But I think the concept and approach to the design of this truck is on mark for those of us who use the vehicle for what it's intended purpose.
My opinion to those wanting to own something unique, but have no plans on using it for it's intended purpose, I'd say take a pass, This is a new approach to the old school 4X4 of basic off road driving.
Even with it's faults, I truly enjoy the driving experience of this machine.
Thanks for sharing Jeffrey!
Unlike other 4wds you can drive in low range 4wd "unlocked" centre diff up to 80 kmh, on hard surfaces. All 8 gears are available. Great for beach driving and for towing heavy loads.
I will definitely buy one. Seen on in green looks awesome even though I don’t go off road. The B58 engine I have in my M340i and love it. Been reliable I have 109K miles on it now.
Here in the US, there is a lot of smack talk about the B58 choice.... Toyota literally put it in the Supra...seriously?
Ceramic VTX Pro window tinting on the Safari windows and the problem goes away. All the advantages of the Safari Windows and none of the problems. Love them on mine in central Queensland
I love the center overhead controls. It makes you feel like a pilot.
Check, check, check
You were surprised that in the off-road menu it said Attitude.
One meaning of Attitude is “the orientation of an aircraft or spacecraft, relative to the direction of travel”. So it’s the pitch, roll, yaw of the vehicle. Possibly including the azimuth and elevation. Yes altitude is included in the Attitude sub-menu.
So yes, they Do mean Attitude not altitude. The attitude of the vehicle - where it’s pointed.
There is a major flaw with the dual battery set up. It’s not wired as a separate auxiliary battery. They connect it to the main battery so they discharge together. And it’s an AGM not a lithium.
Not sure why at 22’11’ you have a bottle of water on the back bumper resting on the ladder though…
As an owner of +20,000kms - there are only two issues that remain problematic in my lived experience and cannot be fixed.
> Footwell ergonomics are quite obviously bad and get worse the longer the trip... the left footrest forces you into an uncomfortable position no matter how you set up the seating position. Some owners are ok with it, others hate it. Not a single person loves it - and they are lying if they tell you that it is better being there than not.
> Lumbar support on the Recaro is non-existent, being almost inverted backwards from a natural/relaxed spinal position. Again, some owners like it and others hate it.
Quality of vehicle is excellent, performance is excellent, off road is excellent, on road is great except for comfort of above elements, looks amazing, feels as solid as it looks, no rattles, no shaking panels over bumps!
Android Auto works via Bluetooth, use it everyday on my Grennie, not sure why you're saying it is wired only, aside from reading other people's bad copy and not testing yourself... I live in the city and have no issue with driving, but yes turning circle is that of any truck with a front locker and live axle. But if you are not offroading you can adjust the steering bump stops in 10 minutes and take 2 meters off the turning radius. You are spot on with the comparison, this is a budget G Wagon, but a build oriented directly at being a great over lander.
I want one but with portals and CTIS, which would make it the dream off-roader. Hopefully with time the cost of portal options comes down as demand increases.
Great review, fair honest and on point with the balancing act Ineos pulled off to produce a unique, capable and comfortable off-roader that’s neither a jeep nor a 76.
If I had the coin, I would buy one of these over a Toyota 😅
Let’s ignore the fact that the winch has only 10m of usable rope & the dual battery system, while good, is not set up for camping - it discharges both equally so you can lose your crank battery. Other than that, not a bad review
A winch for only $5990. I'll buy two thanks.
Well worded concise review without repeating things. With you owning an old defender you are in a good position to compare.
Disappointing to only have 3 minutes of off road review for 35 minute review for a vehicle focused for off-road driving, but well worded and summarised.
Clearance, weight, payload and wading depth definitely an issue when it was supposed to better the new defender.
Missed how when seats fold down they are not flat with the rear which makes things difficult for sliding/packing large items or sleeping.
Hopefully it will be able to be improved and good to see some more competition for off-road vehicles. Would be good to be able to lock a rear well for turning sharper when needed.
They did say they would supply technical manuals to service and maintain yourself but not sure if they have come through with this promise yet.
Would like to know more about cost and availability of spare parts. One review talked about over $1100 I think for a replacement key and spare wheel hub seemed excessive too.
Anyone know where in the blue mountains and i can visit in the opening scene?
Very good review. Nailed.
Thanks!
A Quartermaster extra cab with portal axles with a higher stock GVM and fuel capacity would be irresistible.
Long distance? Range? Fuel consumption off-road and on road? Fuel tank capacity sufficient? Can’t do hard tracks because of clearance, that’s fine. Then it should have range for long distance off-road driving?
@@sydneyraj LR tank is available aftermarket
@@mikefoster7085how big and who’s doing it?
@@peterj5751 Brown Davis, and Longranger
@@peterj5751 67/68lts
@@peterj5751 Brown Davis and Longranger both have LR tanks, 67 and 68 lt respectively
Sam, so good to see the Ineous going thru its paces, Ronny Dahl has been showing how capable they are as well.
Curious, those side turning indicators, they lead me to believe that particular vehicle has had a GVM upgrade, maybe explaning the bright yellow coil also. As I said, curious.
Ineous did some curious things to test vehicles, in Darwin could have purchased one with all red chassis, now that stood out on an all black field master.
I'm still waiting on YOUR Tank 500 off road review.
Regards Wealie.
Cat 6 indicators are required for all vehicles over 3500kg GVM the Grenadier has a GVM of 3550kgs hence the need for the indicators same for the new 79 series ute. They all have yellow coils, GVM upgrade has silver coils.
@@mikefoster7085
Thanks for info.
Indicators, yes, I just hadn't noticed the style of indicators on Ruben's when he complained how it fell out of his air intake, poor fitment & not sealed.
As for the Yellow springs, the only one I looked at in detail had the red chassis, it certainly didn't have yellow springs, possibly red, as coils didn't stand out as yellow would have.
Take your word for it they're all yellow, just presumed they'd been black.
@@ianweal3081 the only difference in springs is the coloured triangles on them denoting the spring rate depending on options fitted at the factory. Red chassis isn't an option any more unfortunately 😕
why did you not test the Diesel ? colleagues who have the Grenie say 9.4 l, incl. Mountain roads in Switzerland
Doesn't the G Wagon have a ladder chassis too?
Latest generation has IFS, but is ladder chassis yes. - Sam
The Landcruiser 76 series, also Suzuki and jeep have vehicles with front and rear live axles on a ladder chassis.
@@Marks.Reviews Perhaps he meant also with coil springs?
How does the Ineos Grenadier fare on heavily corrugated roads?
@@tempestv8 really well, just tested it out over 2 weeks in remote WA.
Surprisingly well
Way better than a Wrangler Rubicon
Good but if going to put big distance on wash board roads, upgrading shocks to ones with remote reservoirs would server you well.
It would be amazing if they offered a 5.3 v8 option for those who dont wanna mess with turbos
I think its a mercedes G professional. That was 4x4 of the year….. until the fleet market saw it for what it was. Id like this to succeed but I doubt it
yes ...but we don't get a G wagon professional in the U.S. we get the top top of the line luxury mobile , more at home on rodeo drive or the valet car park of some very high end shopping center or posh resort in Palm Springs
My US dealer in august sold more Grenadiers than all four other brands the auto group offers combined. And no one knows what it is. My son even lived next to an 4x4 specialist shop and when I parked my grenadier out from of his house the entire shop emptied to come find out what it was. The response from the shop owner, “jeep better watch their butts”.
The G Professional was never 4x4 of Year, it didn't win it came 5th out of the 6 that were in the running.
It will succeed this is a first time out vehicle and the got it 99% right.
Nice one Sam
Question is there much access to the Zig zag stop Sam
Still a bit, but not as open as it used to be - Sam
Sam, firstly, a great review.
I don't think INEOS gave you the best vehicle/options for this test.
You would have been better off with the Trialmaster - steel rims, raised intake, lockers etc. Any serious off roader would not be going for the 'Soft Pack' options, nor the petrol option. The $129k price is confusing given the wacky options specced to this vehicle.
Unlike any other 4WD on the market, you can literally take the Grenny (with the right options) and head off on a trip around Australia.
You don't need to fit after market seats, upgrade the suspension, new tyres, dual battery, power outputs, lockers etc etc. The only think you would need to consider is fuel capacity.
Brown Davis has aftermarket fuel tanks 😊
@@lukewarm2075 They do, as does Long Ranger Automotive, but they are not significant increases.
You are wrong about serious off-roaders not going for petrol. They use petrol in the U.S. for almost all off-road vehicles.
And even in Australia there’s many reasons to avoid diesel. Modern turbo petrol engines have plenty of low down torque. I will never buy diesel - I’d go EV before considering diesel.
You can take a factory Defender with the options you want around Australia straight from the showroom too. And in more comfort.
@@jerrymyahzcat US is very different to Australia. In certain remote indigenous communities, you cannot buy petrol. With the Ineos' very poor tank size (90lts), combined with the fuel consumption of the petrol engine, this severely limits it as a serious remote tourer.
@ I know there are issues with that in remote places but (and maybe I’m wrong) I thought every fuel station was required to sell a minimum of Diesel and 91 octane petrol (or low aromatic petrol).
And certainly there are many who would argue that touring with petrol is no more difficult than with diesel. In places where there’s only 91 you’ll have to take an octane booster though if you beee premium.
They are rated recovery points on the INEOS, they are not tie down points.
its the utilitarian defender, Land Rover should have built , ineos put utility back into sport utility
i want this to succeed but only time will tell re reliability/dependability which are as if not more important re the bells and whistles.
yes and its not a loaded 3 row luxury family school bus , must have a massive sunroof , 2nd row entertainment screens , power , fold ,tilt every thing , like most wagons /s.u.v.s sold have independent rear axle " for a smooth ride and leg room for the 3rd row " ineos put utility back into sports utility vehicle
I was concerned about reliable as well and why I didn’t pre order. Considering my 200 series LC before 100,000 miles needed a water pump, radiator and timing chain cover oil leak repair and the driver mirror stopped retracting cost to repair $2,300 dollars, reliability is a matter of perspective. The B58 is frequent modified to produce 700+ horsepower and remains “reliable” at 280 horsepower it should run forever conceivably. Things are easier to work on too, ever replace an alternator on a 200?
BMW engines are well known for being difficult once they age a bit. Generally have too many parts that are designed to last out the warranty. Maybe the B58 will be different but it’s too early to tell. It’s not about the horsepower they can reliably take, it’s about smaller parts that break as they age and then cost far too much to replace. Hopefully my concerns are misplaced because I conceptually like these.
@@peterj5751 I agree with your statements and considering all the issues and costs I’ve had with my 2013 200 series Land Cruiser in its first hundred thousand, none being catastrophic engine related admittedly, put’s reliability in perspective. BMW has made some great improvement especially with the various iterations of their inline six cylinders though over the last 8 or 10 years and increased horsepower and higher rpm’s should effect essentially every moving part on an engine so the tuning that Magna did on the Grenadiers B58 hopefully will extend reliability some. All wishful thinking with some logic to generate a modicum of confidence but like you say only time will tell. Last thing, this B58, has gone through all that is required by Toyota for performance and reliability as it is used in the Supra.
Thanks for the conversation. 👍
@@peterj5751 Agreed. Support network is a big one too. if this all pans out, i will seriously look at one of these.
Ps- perhaps this is the Austin Champ of design 🤔
Need to get used to the steering and turning radius 😅
If you don't use front locker you can adjust the steering bump stops in ten minutes by swapping jam nut with a couple washers and improve the turning radius by two meters.
you have a car fully specced trialmaster std...a bsic model it is not
Poor mans G. Not much to dislike in my book.
Looks better than the G also. No new ones till next year and no Recaro's as they have gone tits.
the G wagon that actually goes off road
Not that poor
No, I've got a poor man's G, a 300CDI Military, successor to the legendary 290GD. Manual window winding, bare metal floors and a return to bad-back front seats. That's poverty. Nearly 15 years in, I'm still rueing selling the 290 and Grenadier is a future replacement contender if W464 G Wagen never appears in civilian registrable form.
@@philhealey4443 the U.S. spec G wagons are more rodeo drive , aspen , palm beach front row posh resort car park
@youtubecarspottersguide1 The thing is, I can still park out front at high-end hotels as the concierge don't know it's not a G55.
centre console impacts rear middle seat far too much for fifth person
Appreciate the content however this feels like it was sponsored by Grenadier due to the incongruity with the feedback from other professional reviewers.
😻😻😻😻😻
Buy one and then start building into a real 4x4 tourer if you want to tour this great land ..
$5k for a winch 🤣
Have another $50k spare to build into capable car, fix the steering and suspension and ride, ext fuel tank ( but still inadequate) fit out rear and add roofrack and RTT
Clowns on you tube😂
Ineos gave one to Ronny Dahl, talk about confidence in your product, he did it and he seemed more than satisfied.
@@SaltShack - 100% correct. I’m not disagreeing but having a bit of experience in long distance touring remotely and already speaking to a few owners and experiencing first hand some idiosyncrasies, to make into a real off-road tourer, you would need to spend some coin to get to that level where you are confident with a bit more lift, larger tires, adjustable suspension for different terrain, quality camp and driving lights, more fuel (not in Jerry’s) rock sliders, bull bar, roofrack and possibly a RTT , rear drawers and reasonable sized fridge freezer. However off showroom floor it is probably one of the most capable passenger 4x4 on the market. ✅
@@tonyf7997I've just completed a 5k klm remote journey in my Grenadier, you don't need all of the suspension upgrades you speak of to do that, LR tank- yes. But the rest isn't needed. We do have the 3800 GVM also.
@@tonyf7997mine also came off the showroom floor with rocks liners, roobar and full roof rack.
Sorry mate, $105K lost me from viewing anymore
how much is a LC300 GX ?
Buy the Jimny. Haha.
Nothing special at all. An older LC with simple difflocks does the same.
Havent they stopped production now, due to Recaro going bust? These things are overpriced IMHO. For something thats supposed to be basic, agricultural and 'built for purpose'.. No workshop manuals available and atill a very new platform... I cant see the value here when there are viable alternatives.
I get that the steering will inherently feel different due to the life front axle and recirculating ball steering box, but I don’t see why it needs to be heavy and slow to steer. Nor why it needs to have little self centering. The Jeep Cherokee in the late 70’s and early 80’s had light, quick steering and a good turning circle so I reckon there is room for improvement for the series 2 version of these.
The "basic", "agricultural", "priced like a ford ranger" stuff was bollocks all along I think. Just clever marketing to get attention. It was always going to end up more like a g-wagon.