As someone who is used to the large J-hooks we see today, seeing the tiny pins that westside used as j-hooks makes me think how many times they have missed re-racking the weight.
@biggs949597 s i disagree m8-I've seen many benches well over 500 lbs. raw by manymany Westside guys-when were you there and who did you train with that day? I watched Chuck do 800+lbs. gm's with zero assistance equip.Louie himself has won numerous world titles in numerous weight classes.On speed bench days i finished w/405 for speed reps-so the info you have is flawed,i personally saw Jerry Obranovich bench 585 for 3 reps with no equiptment. Donnie Damron in 1997(i site this b/c i was the one spotting him.) did 505 raw for easy reps-so there are many confirmed lifts from many different Westside athletes to prove you're statements wrong.And most times we use bands chains-it makes the lift more difficult-so i think part of your misconception is in not understanding the training techniques.I'd be more than happy to discuss them in more detail with you,and give you more of a rounded understanding of what the main idead of the Louie Simmons training style does over the long haul.As far as Chuck struggling w/405 bench,he trained so hard on his squat and dead that it probably beat the crap outta his shoulders and elbows-and the biceptal tendonitis is horrible from that,we've all been there.And i'm sure living in Columbus you could stop down and talk to Mr.Simmons directly to get some perspective on the actual numbers you've mentioned.He'd have a much better comprehensive list than i would.
@biggs949597 s Yes i can say i saw these lifts with my own eyes-i trained with Donnie Damron and Jerry Obranovich on multiple occasions(from 1997-2006)-and another guy i failed to mention was Kenney Patterson benched well over 500 raw maybe even 600(i did not see this with my own eyes.But his lifts are well chronicled.) JM Blakely was another guy i'm sure benched well over 500 raw.And another personal friend of mine Rajeev Deb as of 2005 benched 495 for 5 clean reps at my home gym.And no i do not know Jimmy Ritchey-he may have trained there after the time i spent at Westside,i only trained there occasionally when i was able to get to Columbus(side note i love Columbus nice town!)But all this being said-i never fealt like the main focus overall was just a big bench(at Westside that is.)I was never a big bencher most my limited success came via squat and dead.And many the guys that had subpar benches for the expectations of Westside/Louie were probably killing their squat and dead training and therefore beating their arms up so bad that it reflected in the bench performance.
No it was not the strongest gym . If it was they wouldn't have been out lifted in raw competitions like they was . Even Matt weninning said they smoked Westsides ass in every meet after he left that gym because they was doing alot of stupid shit to get somone who doesn't use bench shirts hurt
@@TheStrengthArchives Wouldn't it be the opposite? The bands are pulling from the top so the lockout would then become easier as opposed to bands at the bottom making the lockout more difficult.
@Sam Ahhhh I see now. Bands from the bottom would then help with the sticking points earlier in the movement but zero band tension in the beginning. Bands from the top would be pulling the weight making the lift easier until the tension began to ease. This is strictly increasing the lockout for powerlifting.
I have a question and I’m getting in to powerlifting I’m in a 1000lbs club right now as a 16 year old but why do they got bands wrapped around the barbell?
@@theajayy2258 to make most of the lift easier, not harder. Its a reverse band. If they wanted to make it harder they wouldve done normal bands, not reverse.
@@deadcakesandpanlifts2019 hey man try using your brain, bench with reverse bands and normal bands are both easier at the bottom, (normal bands no tension at bottom reverse most tension) therefore the lockout will be the hardest part of the lift. If you don't understand this you probably have a roomtemperature iq
Broly good work on 1000lb total at 16, stick with it! This is a max effort session, and they are using close grip reverse bands as a pressing variation. The reverse bands take weight off the bar as the bar is lowered and they stretch, and then the weight is added back as you press back up. This aligns with the strength force curve, making the triceps work harder to lock out, alleviating some of the stress at the bottom. Keep in mind this is conjugate training, meaning in part that they are rotating to a new max effort excercise weekly, so they would be using a lot of different types of variation. Also, at this time in powerlifting, virtually everyone used bench shirts, and this variation closely mimics how a shirt would behave. I believe there is still a lot of value in this variation for the raw lifter, but I am sure I would t need to look far to get an argument on that. If you are unfamiliar with conjugate training, elitefts has a lot of info that you can search in their archives.
Mike's gut is exploding here. Pretty disgusting to look at as if he is 9 months pregnant. Under the name of PL if you are looking 9 months pregnant then it is time to re-evaluate your choices in life.
@@morecharacterswithamix9067 nah man. My dad is a rake and his gut looked almost identical when he had his. Legit reminded me of the Highbreed Supreme in Ben10
Gotta love the fact Dave's grunts have remained the same through the decades.
I’ ve never seen Dave lift before. This is GOLD!
Man it's a trip to see Dave so young
Def old school. Those were wrist wraps! Also - Dave almost had hair :)
If I'm not mistaken those are knee wraps used as wrist wraps
@@viklifts-zk8bl yep knee wraps cut in half
RIP Louie
As someone who is used to the large J-hooks we see today, seeing the tiny pins that westside used as j-hooks makes me think how many times they have missed re-racking the weight.
gotta keep the spotters on their toes
The ones they have are superior for benching.
Prolly never
commercial Jhooks are garbage for real benching
Bolt with a washer welded to it and a wing nut to hold it in place.
Works a treat.
Dave hiting that five plate close grip dinner
What’s most impressive is before going to west side, he had a complete pec tear
@@tacticalpotato3731 he’s meaning when lifting
Nice. Listening to Testament's Low record.
Sled exercise was awesome
Strongest gym in the world!!!Mr.Simmons genius!!!
@biggs949597 s i disagree m8-I've seen many benches well over 500 lbs. raw by manymany Westside guys-when were you there and who did you train with that day?
I watched Chuck do 800+lbs. gm's with zero assistance equip.Louie himself has won numerous world titles in numerous weight classes.On speed bench days i finished w/405 for speed reps-so the info you have is flawed,i personally saw Jerry Obranovich bench 585 for 3 reps with no equiptment. Donnie Damron in 1997(i site this b/c i was the one spotting him.) did 505 raw for easy reps-so there are many confirmed lifts from many different Westside athletes to prove you're statements wrong.And most times we use bands chains-it makes the lift more difficult-so i think part of your misconception is in not understanding the training techniques.I'd be more than happy to discuss them in more detail with you,and give you more of a rounded understanding of what the main idead of the Louie Simmons training style does over the long haul.As far as Chuck struggling w/405 bench,he trained so hard on his squat and dead that it probably beat the crap outta his shoulders and elbows-and the biceptal tendonitis is horrible from that,we've all been there.And i'm sure living in Columbus you could stop down and talk to Mr.Simmons directly to get some perspective on the actual numbers you've mentioned.He'd have a much better comprehensive list than i would.
@biggs949597 s Yes i can say i saw these lifts with my own eyes-i trained with Donnie Damron and Jerry Obranovich on multiple occasions(from 1997-2006)-and another guy i failed to mention was Kenney Patterson benched well over 500 raw maybe even 600(i did not see this with my own eyes.But his lifts are well chronicled.) JM Blakely was another guy i'm sure benched well over 500 raw.And another personal friend of mine Rajeev Deb as of 2005 benched 495 for 5 clean reps at my home gym.And no i do not know Jimmy Ritchey-he may have trained there after the time i spent at Westside,i only trained there occasionally when i was able to get to Columbus(side note i love Columbus nice town!)But all this being said-i never fealt like the main focus overall was just a big bench(at Westside that is.)I was never a big bencher most my limited success came via squat and dead.And many the guys that had subpar benches for the expectations of Westside/Louie were probably killing their squat and dead training and therefore beating their arms up so bad that it reflected in the bench performance.
No it was not the strongest gym . If it was they wouldn't have been out lifted in raw competitions like they was . Even Matt weninning said they smoked Westsides ass in every meet after he left that gym because they was doing alot of stupid shit to get somone who doesn't use bench shirts hurt
The only thing that gym was known for was assisted lifting
Paul bossie runs 100 percent raw federation . Drug testing included an no straps or wraps or sleeves allowed. If anyone has balls go try to win there
Sometime forget how huge Dave was
Perhaps was on that JM diet
@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw I never thought of that but he probably was 😂
Bit of Death in the background!
Cool
mikes power belly is huge
Them jorts tho.
Mike Ruggiera has a huge muscle gut - his stomach is protruding, but it's all muscle
All muscle covering a huge ball of fat! Stop it!
Yeah dude that's visceral fat from steroid use
Part of the reason he squatted 975 raw.
He had fat but he also had a hernia, there is a Video with him talking about it and about his huge neck
Almost Big Lenny-esque
Those aren't Tate presses bud but otherwise great video
Rolling db extensions
Did anyone say thet were?
How age of Dave Tate?
In layman's terms, can someone explain to me why the bands are set up this why and its benefits?
less load at the bottom and more load at the top allowing you to overload the movement, it emphasizes the lock-out and mimics equipped benching too
Why not use the strap the other way? to add resistance on the lift, not the drop.
It's used to try and mimic equipped benching more
they do use it the other way too...this is just one method... the have countless exercises and methods
Bands at the top make it heavier at lockout. They can add more weight than usual to target that part of the bench among other things.
@@TheStrengthArchives Wouldn't it be the opposite? The bands are pulling from the top so the lockout would then become easier as opposed to bands at the bottom making the lockout more difficult.
@Sam Ahhhh I see now. Bands from the bottom would then help with the sticking points earlier in the movement but zero band tension in the beginning. Bands from the top would be pulling the weight making the lift easier until the tension began to ease. This is strictly increasing the lockout for powerlifting.
I have a question and I’m getting in to powerlifting I’m in a 1000lbs club right now as a 16 year old but why do they got bands wrapped around the barbell?
To make the lockout of the lift harder so they work their triceps more
@@theajayy2258 to make most of the lift easier, not harder. Its a reverse band. If they wanted to make it harder they wouldve done normal bands, not reverse.
@@deadcakesandpanlifts2019 hey man try using your brain, bench with reverse bands and normal bands are both easier at the bottom, (normal bands no tension at bottom reverse most tension) therefore the lockout will be the hardest part of the lift. If you don't understand this you probably have a roomtemperature iq
Broly good work on 1000lb total at 16, stick with it! This is a max effort session, and they are using close grip reverse bands as a pressing variation. The reverse bands take weight off the bar as the bar is lowered and they stretch, and then the weight is added back as you press back up. This aligns with the strength force curve, making the triceps work harder to lock out, alleviating some of the stress at the bottom. Keep in mind this is conjugate training, meaning in part that they are rotating to a new max effort excercise weekly, so they would be using a lot of different types of variation. Also, at this time in powerlifting, virtually everyone used bench shirts, and this variation closely mimics how a shirt would behave. I believe there is still a lot of value in this variation for the raw lifter, but I am sure I would t need to look far to get an argument on that. If you are unfamiliar with conjugate training, elitefts has a lot of info that you can search in their archives.
Boys must have been on the “see-food” diet
The best kind of diet
405 like its nothin
Is that it
and they say men can't get pregnant
Mike's gut is exploding here. Pretty disgusting to look at as if he is 9 months pregnant. Under the name of PL if you are looking 9 months pregnant then it is time to re-evaluate your choices in life.
It’s a hernia. My dad got one changing a light bulb. It happens.
@@Dr_Footbrake Come on man, hernia is one thing. But Mike's gut here is little more than hernia. A LOT more.
@@morecharacterswithamix9067 nah man. My dad is a rake and his gut looked almost identical when he had his. Legit reminded me of the Highbreed Supreme in Ben10
@@bleepblabloop Well in that case I sympathize with him. Hope he has recovered fully.
while benching heavy because of bracing and arching the belly looks bigger