Late posting, but I just wanted to say that after playing both LoD & DUN extensively over the last couple years, I have to say I like DUN more. The main reason is that I feel that, even though DUN is a bit more complex, I think its rules flow a lot better. Every time I go through a dungeon in DUN, I have a good experience, I feel engaged. LoD dungeons start to really drag after a while. DUN has more rules, but the rules are better written and more fleshed out. They feel better to me.
Fair! This one took a long time for me to finally choose which I held onto. I held onto DUN at the end of the day cause I liked the combat more. But if I didn't live in California I'd have kept both
Yes. I completely agree. Combat flows better in DUN. Oftentimes I will just abandon a fight in Dungeoneers because it becomes too frustrating. Positioning is critical otherwise it becomes a miss-fest. I don't like that level of stress in a dungeon crawler.
Two games that will remain in my collection forever and expanded on whenever offered. Love each of them for different reasons and I'm glad I can't choose between the two which I like better.
Hello, William and fellow Hungry Gamers, and good evening. :) This is Rodger, the creator of the Avalon Adventure board game and Dungeon Crusade Book I: Genesis of Evil, and I hope everyone is doing great. Thank you for doing this video, William. I have a copy of League of Dungeoneers that Michael sent me, and it's still in the shipping box. Within the next few days, I'm going to be doing a nice unboxing video of it. Michael deserves so much credit, he truly knocked the ball out of the park with the game, and I know tons of people are enjoying it. Massive kudos to you, Michael! But both designers of these games, I give a ton of credit. They did an outstanding job, was super passionate about them, and it shows. I would love to try Dungeon Universalis, but I'm very eager to get started playing League of Dungeoneers. Lastly, you have that right, William. I'm going to be sending you a Crusader of the Realm edition of Dungeon Crusade. As soon as we receive our shipment, I'll get a hold of you and forward you a copy. I thank you in advance for taking a look at it and showing it on your channel. Lastly, if anyone is interested in learning more about Dungeon Crusade, I have a few videos below. The one video does a great job of getting you acclimated to the Avalon Adventure board game and Dungeon Crusade. While the game is very girthy, it has quite easy game mechanics. I designed the game from the ground up for the soloist gamer, but it can be played co-op. Also, we are in the final days of the review of the production copies of the game. Mass production will be happening within the next few weeks, and the game will be shipping out over the summer. There is an active pledge manager where you can still pre-order a copy of Dungeon Crusade and the Avalon Adventure board game. And William was right. There is a brand new revised rulebook that has been getting excellent reviews, a revised combat system (the classic system is still in there,) a scalable difficulty reference card, the new Solo Crusader Mode, the new Mercenary Camp for the village board, quicker setup, quicker game time and a host of other tweaks and balances. I'm a super passionate creator; I/we listened to the fans and addressed any issues they had. The game has been perfected and honed. If anyone has any questions, just let me know, and I'll be more than happy to help you out. Above all, I hope everyone has a great evening; stay safe, happy gaming, and I will talk to you soon; keep up the great work, William!... Rodger :) Dungeon Crusade Book I: Genesis of Evil: Introduction and Overview: ruclips.net/video/y0e4R478egg/видео.html The unboxing of the production copies of Dungeon Crusade: ruclips.net/video/A_aCep_Pd10/видео.html
@@natandjai Hey there, Tonkinese, and happy Thursday to you. :) This is Rodger, and it's very nice to hear from you. Please forgive my delay getting here; it's been a very busy day with the game. I received an email from you and did respond with this. I wanted to post this here so you have all the information. First of all, I am sincerely grateful for your time and interest in the Avalon Adventure board game and Dungeon Crusade. And yes, there is an active pledge manager. It will be closing within the next few weeks as we hit mass production. We're finishing up the review of the production copies of the game. The game will be shipped out in the next few months, so there won't be that long of a wait. Here is the link for the pledge manager. If you need anything else, just let me know, and I'll be more than happy to help you out. Dungeon Crusade pledge manager: groovus.pledgemanager.com/projects/dungeon-crusade-reprint/participate/?fbclid=IwAR2_kq9ifRlxX0N2libEjzkGelJ6oXp8_uF0mYgMagQrM-iWpHWUVy2Pqc4 It was very nice meeting you, Tonkinese, and I hope you have a great Thursday. Happy gaming, stay safe, and talk to you soon... Rodger :)
@@GroovusGamesUnlimited thanks again for the information I will hopefully be able to purchase it very soon. Just a bit tight right now it looks really good though! Thanks again
@@natandjai Hello there Tonkinese, and it's nice to hear back from you. :) I hope you're having a great day. And no problem at all with the information. If you need anything else, just let me know. But at your convenience, take a look at this video. I don't want to be too spammy here and tell you all about the game because it would take up a lot of space! This video does a great job of getting you acclimated and how to play the Avalon Adventure board game and Dungeon Crusade. I know it's helped a lot of people out, so I hope you enjoy it. I hope you have a great Thursday, Tonkinese, and it was very nice meeting you. Talk to you soon... Rodger
Such a needed video! If I could figure out a way to package the best of both of these games together I think you'd have a dungeon crawler that cannot be beat. League of Dungeoneers simulates the dungeon crawling experience better than any other game I've ever played solo. DUN's character creation and customization is top notch. League's problem is that the world really does feel empty when compared to DUN, and you're often just rolling 4 dice to see if you roll a random encounter then ticking off rations. Where as DUN feels like you're actually traveling. DUN's dungeon crawling is just so clearly meant for a 1 v. many system though. The ADP and monster AI is just bad and overly complicated and makes you spend most of your time just playing the monsters in the way that seems to make the most sense. I hate it. I may try to take the LoD dungeon system and implement it in a DUN campaign.
One thing that many mistake about RPGs is that more rules means you can do more things...when the opposite is true. Obviously a board game needs gaurdrails, but games like these are essentially RPG's. There is a reason B/X is the most cloned system...it's got a skeleton ruleset that allows you to do anything without there necessarily being a specific rule for it.
Seems like they are both good. League is slightly lighter though. For me I like a long epic story and spending time with your character. So maybe DUN is better for me. A very helpful video for people to get a sense of these games.
I went all in for the new League of Dungeoneers and since Dungeon Universalis is essentially unattainable, I am comfortable with my choice. Great video and comparison!!
Thanks for the comparison. Looks like League of Dungeoneers would fit better for me as I would like a comparatively streamlined dungeon crawler with random dungeon generation for solo play. Although not sure about the lack of art in LoD, I guess the new crowdfunding version will have more art as well as rulebook revision. So I will be looking forward to that.
Hi. Thank you so much for this video. I am really in a bit of a pickle because I would love to buy LoD now that is on second reprint on Gamefound (late pledge) but I am not really convinced that much. It has certainly more game content of other games that I own like Gloomhaven, Dungeon Saga and Sword and Sorcery but......... I have watched different videos and I am really not convinced of the combat system. Too many rolls: I like the idea of how determining the initiative although I find it too random. Agility or some other type of skill should have some impact on that and instead a zombie has the same initiative of a rat. Also you have to roll to determine which one of your heroes the monster will hit: why there is no AI for the monster cards? Also, you have to roll to establish whether you hit or not and then roll for the damage and if you are a hero roll to check Where you have been hit. I watched a video of 4 heroes fighting 8 rats, a zombie and a big rat.... it took 1 hour and 30 minutes just for that combat. The rest of the game (quests, world etc) I really like. What would uou recommend? (DU is not available anymore)
Well it def sounds like LoD is not for you. You can prob get DUN off their website once they finish delivery. There is also the new version of dungeon crusade that is delivering soon and you can prob snag a copy. I haven't played it yet but it is also a sandbox vibe. Lots of really good lighter crawlers out there. Some without dice almost completely
I have already decided that I want League of Dungeoneers (over Dungeon Universalis) because of your (and others) unboxing and play though videos. This video just confirmed my decision. Now what this about a third game ?!?
Hello there Arik, and good evening to you. :) This is Rodger, the creator of the Avalon Adventure board game and Dungeon Crusade, and I hope that you're doing good. I caught your comment and wanted to say thank you so much for your interest in the game. Very grateful to you. At your convenience, here are a few videos to learn more about the games. I hope you enjoy them. If you have any questions, just let me know. Have a great evening Arik, happy gaming, and I will talk to you soon...Rodger :) Dungeon Crusade Book I: Genesis of Evil: Introduction and Overview: ruclips.net/video/y0e4R478egg/видео.html The unboxing of the production copies of Dungeon Crusade: ruclips.net/video/A_aCep_Pd10/видео.html
Daniel, over at the dungeon dive channel, did a rough comparison of LoD, Dungeon Universalis, and Dungeon Crusade. I hope you will do something similar after you get Dungeon Crusade. -toby
This video reminds me of my early teaching days when I didn't understand that even if pupils were interested in what you had to say they would get bored when your story wasn't accompanied by interesting visuals.
@@HungryGamerReviews Snark deserves snark in response... but he does have a point. It would have been nice if you'd shown the art while talking about it so that people actually understand what you're saying. This video is going to be most useful to people who haven't played either game, so they have no idea what the art looks like.
@@bravesirkevin I included some video on both my videos of the games directly (even there though it's light. These games are just too big to make a short video that goes in depth). I get the desire for more depth, but this is a fast overview, nothing more. I have no issue w expressing a desire for something else, when it's respectful. So I can't give you the reply you want, but I'm happy to give it to you. Rudeness begets rudeness.
Great video. I too have both of these games arriving as well as Dungeon Crusade. I think they all seem to(from what I’ve seen from reviews)have a place. Dungeon Crusade is certainly a different kind of game. I’m not sure it would be classified or compared with these two. I saw Daniel’s video but throwing DC in the ring really does seem like a stretch. Not to knock DC it’s going to be a great game in its own right.
What an excellent video, thank you. It's also reaffirmed my decision to back LoD and I'm looking forward to my copy arriving soon. I'll almost certainly be backing the upcoming expansion which is building on the overland events as well as the items and art feedback Michael has had.
Late posting, but I just wanted to say that after playing both LoD & DUN extensively over the last couple years, I have to say I like DUN more. The main reason is that I feel that, even though DUN is a bit more complex, I think its rules flow a lot better. Every time I go through a dungeon in DUN, I have a good experience, I feel engaged. LoD dungeons start to really drag after a while.
DUN has more rules, but the rules are better written and more fleshed out. They feel better to me.
Fair!
This one took a long time for me to finally choose which I held onto. I held onto DUN at the end of the day cause I liked the combat more. But if I didn't live in California I'd have kept both
Yes. I completely agree. Combat flows better in DUN. Oftentimes I will just abandon a fight in Dungeoneers because it becomes too frustrating. Positioning is critical otherwise it becomes a miss-fest. I don't like that level of stress in a dungeon crawler.
I've been looking forward to this!
Yeah it probably should have posted next week...but I know a lot of people really wanted to see it so I pushed the Avatar video a week
Thank you so much for taking the time to make this! Tough choice between the two for sure.
Which way are you leaning?
Two games that will remain in my collection forever and expanded on whenever offered. Love each of them for different reasons and I'm glad I can't choose between the two which I like better.
It was hard to finally choose. But space demanded it
@@HungryGamerReviewswhich won out?
Ooh been waiting for this! Instant watch!
I cannot thank you enough
Great video mate! Can't wait for my copy of LoD to arrive!
It hasn't gotten to you yet? Your part of the world is often first!
Hello, William and fellow Hungry Gamers, and good evening. :) This is Rodger, the creator of the Avalon Adventure board game and Dungeon Crusade Book I: Genesis of Evil, and I hope everyone is doing great.
Thank you for doing this video, William. I have a copy of League of Dungeoneers that Michael sent me, and it's still in the shipping box. Within the next few days, I'm going to be doing a nice unboxing video of it.
Michael deserves so much credit, he truly knocked the ball out of the park with the game, and I know tons of people are enjoying it. Massive kudos to you, Michael!
But both designers of these games, I give a ton of credit. They did an outstanding job, was super passionate about them, and it shows. I would love to try Dungeon Universalis, but I'm very eager to get started playing League of Dungeoneers.
Lastly, you have that right, William. I'm going to be sending you a Crusader of the Realm edition of Dungeon Crusade. As soon as we receive our shipment, I'll get a hold of you and forward you a copy. I thank you in advance for taking a look at it and showing it on your channel.
Lastly, if anyone is interested in learning more about Dungeon Crusade, I have a few videos below.
The one video does a great job of getting you acclimated to the Avalon Adventure board game and Dungeon Crusade. While the game is very girthy, it has quite easy game mechanics. I designed the game from the ground up for the soloist gamer, but it can be played co-op.
Also, we are in the final days of the review of the production copies of the game. Mass production will be happening within the next few weeks, and the game will be shipping out over the summer. There is an active pledge manager where you can still pre-order a copy of Dungeon Crusade and the Avalon Adventure board game.
And William was right. There is a brand new revised rulebook that has been getting excellent reviews, a revised combat system (the classic system is still in there,) a scalable difficulty reference card, the new Solo Crusader Mode, the new Mercenary Camp for the village board, quicker setup, quicker game time and a host of other tweaks and balances.
I'm a super passionate creator; I/we listened to the fans and addressed any issues they had. The game has been perfected and honed.
If anyone has any questions, just let me know, and I'll be more than happy to help you out.
Above all, I hope everyone has a great evening; stay safe, happy gaming, and I will talk to you soon; keep up the great work, William!... Rodger :)
Dungeon Crusade Book I: Genesis of Evil: Introduction and Overview:
ruclips.net/video/y0e4R478egg/видео.html
The unboxing of the production copies of Dungeon Crusade:
ruclips.net/video/A_aCep_Pd10/видео.html
lucky guy you are i missed out and can't afford to get dungeon crusade
@@natandjai Hey there, Tonkinese, and happy Thursday to you. :) This is Rodger, and it's very nice to hear from you. Please forgive my delay getting here; it's been a very busy day with the game.
I received an email from you and did respond with this. I wanted to post this here so you have all the information.
First of all, I am sincerely grateful for your time and interest in the Avalon Adventure board game and Dungeon Crusade. And yes, there is an active pledge manager. It will be closing within the next few weeks as we hit mass production. We're finishing up the review of the production copies of the game. The game will be shipped out in the next few months, so there won't be that long of a wait.
Here is the link for the pledge manager. If you need anything else, just let me know, and I'll be more than happy to help you out.
Dungeon Crusade pledge manager:
groovus.pledgemanager.com/projects/dungeon-crusade-reprint/participate/?fbclid=IwAR2_kq9ifRlxX0N2libEjzkGelJ6oXp8_uF0mYgMagQrM-iWpHWUVy2Pqc4
It was very nice meeting you, Tonkinese, and I hope you have a great Thursday. Happy gaming, stay safe, and talk to you soon... Rodger :)
@@GroovusGamesUnlimited thanks again for the information I will hopefully be able to purchase it very soon. Just a bit tight right now it looks really good though! Thanks again
@@natandjai
Hello there Tonkinese, and it's nice to hear back from you. :) I hope you're having a great day.
And no problem at all with the information. If you need anything else, just let me know. But at your convenience, take a look at this video. I don't want to be too spammy here and tell you all about the game because it would take up a lot of space!
This video does a great job of getting you acclimated and how to play the Avalon Adventure board game and Dungeon Crusade. I know it's helped a lot of people out, so I hope you enjoy it.
I hope you have a great Thursday, Tonkinese, and it was very nice meeting you. Talk to you soon... Rodger
Looking forward to seeing it!
Like how you compare different aspects. As this helps people decide on what is important to them.
Thanks. Initially, I thought I was gonna do a ranking or scoring system...but that actually struck me as less useful in the long run
Such a needed video! If I could figure out a way to package the best of both of these games together I think you'd have a dungeon crawler that cannot be beat. League of Dungeoneers simulates the dungeon crawling experience better than any other game I've ever played solo. DUN's character creation and customization is top notch. League's problem is that the world really does feel empty when compared to DUN, and you're often just rolling 4 dice to see if you roll a random encounter then ticking off rations. Where as DUN feels like you're actually traveling.
DUN's dungeon crawling is just so clearly meant for a 1 v. many system though. The ADP and monster AI is just bad and overly complicated and makes you spend most of your time just playing the monsters in the way that seems to make the most sense. I hate it. I may try to take the LoD dungeon system and implement it in a DUN campaign.
Oof if these games could have a child!!!! Goodness. So good
Thanks for doing this!
On a side note, I have the same style of shelves :-)
the cubes or the rolling shelves?
One thing that many mistake about RPGs is that more rules means you can do more things...when the opposite is true. Obviously a board game needs gaurdrails, but games like these are essentially RPG's. There is a reason B/X is the most cloned system...it's got a skeleton ruleset that allows you to do anything without there necessarily being a specific rule for it.
Great thoughts!
Thank you for this. A great summary of both. We have such a luxury of great products.
Been a very good time for dungeon crawls lately
Seems like they are both good. League is slightly lighter though. For me I like a long epic story and spending time with your character. So maybe DUN is better for me. A very helpful video for people to get a sense of these games.
Yeah. I legit thought I would be sending one off. They are perfectly imperfect games. Really like em both
I went all in for the new League of Dungeoneers and since Dungeon Universalis is essentially unattainable, I am comfortable with my choice. Great video and comparison!!
thanks for watching. im glad you got one you are excited about
Thanks for the review.
I really hope it helped you decide if you want one!
I have both sitting in front of me. Which one would you recommend beginning with?
Oooo hard. I'd say LoD because the campaigns are shorter get a full story there then try the other
Great job looking forward to league of Dungeoneers already have Dungeon Universalis.
Did you back the new stuff for DUN
Thanks for the comparison. Looks like League of Dungeoneers would fit better for me as I would like a comparatively streamlined dungeon crawler with random dungeon generation for solo play. Although not sure about the lack of art in LoD, I guess the new crowdfunding version will have more art as well as rulebook revision. So I will be looking forward to that.
It does look like there is some more art with the expansion, and the streamlined book will be really valuable
Hi. Thank you so much for this video. I am really in a bit of a pickle because I would love to buy LoD now that is on second reprint on Gamefound (late pledge) but I am not really convinced that much. It has certainly more game content of other games that I own like Gloomhaven, Dungeon Saga and Sword and Sorcery but......... I have watched different videos and I am really not convinced of the combat system. Too many rolls: I like the idea of how determining the initiative although I find it too random. Agility or some other type of skill should have some impact on that and instead a zombie has the same initiative of a rat. Also you have to roll to determine which one of your heroes the monster will hit: why there is no AI for the monster cards? Also, you have to roll to establish whether you hit or not and then roll for the damage and if you are a hero roll to check Where you have been hit. I watched a video of 4 heroes fighting 8 rats, a zombie and a big rat.... it took 1 hour and 30 minutes just for that combat. The rest of the game (quests, world etc) I really like. What would uou recommend? (DU is not available anymore)
Well it def sounds like LoD is not for you. You can prob get DUN off their website once they finish delivery.
There is also the new version of dungeon crusade that is delivering soon and you can prob snag a copy. I haven't played it yet but it is also a sandbox vibe.
Lots of really good lighter crawlers out there. Some without dice almost completely
I have already decided that I want League of Dungeoneers (over Dungeon Universalis) because of your (and others) unboxing and play though videos. This video just confirmed my decision.
Now what this about a third game ?!?
Wonder if he thinking of dungeon crusade. I have seen all three games spoken in the same space before
Dungeon crusade is the one
@@HungryGamerReviews: Then I looking forward to your review of that game..
Hello there Arik, and good evening to you. :) This is Rodger, the creator of the Avalon Adventure board game and Dungeon Crusade, and I hope that you're doing good.
I caught your comment and wanted to say thank you so much for your interest in the game. Very grateful to you.
At your convenience, here are a few videos to learn more about the games. I hope you enjoy them. If you have any questions, just let me know.
Have a great evening Arik, happy gaming, and I will talk to you soon...Rodger :)
Dungeon Crusade Book I: Genesis of Evil: Introduction and Overview:
ruclips.net/video/y0e4R478egg/видео.html
The unboxing of the production copies of Dungeon Crusade:
ruclips.net/video/A_aCep_Pd10/видео.html
ohhh now I can't wait for LoD new kickstarter event :)
He's got some awesome plans
Thanks!
most welcome
Thanks a lot!
😁
Appreciate this sicne I don’t have league of dungeoneers
Good timing cause LoD is on GF right now
Thank you!
Most welcome
Good comparison. I am also keeping both games. IMO, Dungeon Crusade is a very different game from either one of these and isn't really comparable.
Looking forward to trying it! Rodger made a nice post above, and it sounds like the new DC is getting close
I already own it. Will see what kind of changes have been made when I receive the updates.
@@Thomas-kx9op I'd love to know your thoughts
Daniel, over at the dungeon dive channel, did a rough comparison of LoD, Dungeon Universalis, and Dungeon Crusade. I hope you will do something similar after you get Dungeon Crusade. -toby
I watched that recently. It's on the docket of things to do.
Well both are kickstarter only so i guess im going league since i missed the DU kickstarter so the choice is easy
DUN late pledge open LoD campaign coming soon
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This was a very thoughtful discussion about the differences between the two games and I really appreciate it. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful
This video reminds me of my early teaching days when I didn't understand that even if pupils were interested in what you had to say they would get bored when your story wasn't accompanied by interesting visuals.
This comment reminds me of a time when comments like this were useful to me.
@@HungryGamerReviews Snark deserves snark in response... but he does have a point. It would have been nice if you'd shown the art while talking about it so that people actually understand what you're saying. This video is going to be most useful to people who haven't played either game, so they have no idea what the art looks like.
@@bravesirkevin I included some video on both my videos of the games directly (even there though it's light. These games are just too big to make a short video that goes in depth). I get the desire for more depth, but this is a fast overview, nothing more.
I have no issue w expressing a desire for something else, when it's respectful. So I can't give you the reply you want, but I'm happy to give it to you.
Rudeness begets rudeness.
Great video. I too have both of these games arriving as well as Dungeon Crusade. I think they all seem to(from what I’ve seen from reviews)have a place. Dungeon Crusade is certainly a different kind of game. I’m not sure it would be classified or compared with these two. I saw Daniel’s video but throwing DC in the ring really does seem like a stretch. Not to knock DC it’s going to be a great game in its own right.
@@DIZZUCK interesting! My inclusion in the list is very much based on his video
What an excellent video, thank you. It's also reaffirmed my decision to back LoD and I'm looking forward to my copy arriving soon. I'll almost certainly be backing the upcoming expansion which is building on the overland events as well as the items and art feedback Michael has had.
Oooo it's close! Could be at your door before this video is over