I have seen sooo many patchbay videos and I was either more confused or didn't learn anything. Your videos have cleared all this up for me so nicely. Thank you so much for that!
my man you are a LEGEND Super useful slideshow/explaining. At the moment i am renovating a studio from the 90's and i have to connect many lines and patchbays to one big main patchbay. I need to do this alone and these videos pretty much walked me through every possibility. Im very thankfull, keep up the good work.
Woooooow man I like your tutorial! It’s the most useful patchbay tutorial I’ve seen on RUclips so far👌🏼 I wish that there is a double-like option on RUclips; you really deserve massive thanks 🙏🏼
I had to watch this video several times as I was not getting it, however, I fallowed it to a T, turns out the inputs of your outboard gear go to the top row and the out puts to the bottom. I had it reverse and no sound will come out of my headphones, I believe I miss understood when he says the output ( at the front now top row A) goes out and patches into the B row(bottom) input. I don’t know if people noticed that, but anyway, after I reverse my connections on the back I got my gear to work, nevertheless, it helped me a great deal, God bless you Vatche. Thank you for this vid.
Thank you, these videos are great! One minor thing that's worth mentioning... I think I'm right in saying that if any connector in a passive signal path is unbalanced, the entire signal path is effectively unbalanced. So, because those insert cables are unbalanced, the fact that the compressor feeds and patch cables are balanced is making no difference in this case. Of course, it's still worth using balanced cables wherever possible, to increase the chance that the entire connection will be balanced.
Yes, you are correct about the insert points being unbalanced. Not many budget interfaces have balanced out/in. But, in many large live mixing consoles, they have balanced seprate insert out and in for each Mic channel, as well as the Master Bus.
Bravo, this is the first tutorial that actually shows the signal flow with ease, i also like the use of the coloured tie clips , those will be very handy for one coloured cables. Thanks
Thanks to you for a very well example of patch bays. I will be getting one or two bc this video shows them to be a time saver plus versatile for dual compression and creativity in general. Much thanks. Subscribed.
Hi Vatche. Excellent tutorial on patchbays and the different modes. I can see why the thru mode is a must for serial FX like compressors. What mode should I use for parallel FX like delay and Reverb? I am trying to integrate my Mackie 1604-VLZ3 analogue mixer with my Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 generation II audio interface. I have a couple of 3630 compressors along with an old Midi verb4 and a QUAD V2 multi FX unit. Regards Alan
Hi Both Fantastic Videos !! How would you set up the Sidechain on the Compressor? I'd like to have that option on my patchbay. My Compressor has a Sidechain IN and OUT on both channels so would i use half or full normal? I'm literally as you are with my home studio in bits all over the floor!! Any help would be appreciated as i'm finding it difficult to find a definitive answer on google. I also have a dbx 266xs which has an Insert Sidechain so would that be different as if the jack is inserted it changes the signal path?
now that was useful far better demo. I found I was losing my train of thought in the last video. this one works for me A B C . Now the real power of patching is with the AUX on the mixer. the FCA1616 is a nice little interface I have one. but move over to a mixer I used to get my AUX from the FCA1616 via line out, I can honestly say I don,t known much about the input insert because I,am in to synths and use stereo a lot, the insert patch leads are unbalanced I known with them being short there should,nt be a problem, but they can interduce hum, and as my synth are on the other side of the room. does the input insert produce a stereo sigal I wouldnt thought so, but it might be because it could be a digal signal ? do you known thx for getting back. I should of check your other video's. cheers....keep them coming/*****
Maybe this video might help you about "inserts" ruclips.net/video/a_iJphEicgs/видео.html Yes, usually inserts are used for pre-processing and next to the mixer/audio interface. Few mid and high-end mixers do have separate insert OUT/IN that are balanced. Inserts on mixers/audio interfaces are analogue and 90% of the time on the mono Mic channels.
Like a CD player? Then simply connect it to patch A, and then B to an input you would normally plug into, like your mixer or audio interface. Then you can use the patch to reassign the output of the CD player or the input of the mixer. Hope that makes sense.
Hi bro May you describe more details about the part that you explained in videos for how to use synthesizer and compress signal on two different channels to patch the patchbay ? How you setup in the daw ??? I meaning in daw software for example Logic Pro x !!???? Kind of confused about what you explain in the videos one signal for the synthesizer to normal And other channel is compress signal????
Hey ! If I want to use a guitar on a stereo reverb, all two on the patchbay, can I plug my mono guitar signal on the left input of my reverb and have left and right output of the reverb works ?
Great video!Just a quick question about synth connection i noticed that you have sent synth signal from the front of the patchbay with one TRS patch cable. Does that mean that you have connected synth signal at the back of the patchbay with also 1 TRS cable (by converting 2 TS (L + R) from synth into 1 TRS? I am learning so much from you.Thanks a lot! :)
The illustration is for mono output synth. If a mono synth, then 1 TRS lead, or 2 TRS leads and patch bays, for stereo synth. Even if the synth is stereo with TS signal, I still use one patch bay for each, and not use the TRS as stereo.
Hi friend! Espetacular explaning how to use the patchbay again! You Wold make a serie of that, is very hard to reach this very well explaned. I would like to know more about pactchbay connecting muitliple divices. Can you Do this for us? Thanks and congratulations for your Work!
Fantastic vid!! I’ve been looking into getting a patchbay for a while now and couldn’t find a vid that explains it with a detailed demonstration. Now I understand how it works and I’m gonna try using your spreadsheet figure out how to connect my 2 Apollo x8p’s to an API preamp, Neve Preamp & Distressor to a patchbay. The Apollo x8p’s have 8Mic/Line combo jacks and they don’t have inserts but it has DB25’s in and outs which I think I can still use as inserts??
I’m a keyboard player, and have this patchbay… and I’m struggling to set things up in an optimized way. The main purpose for me having the patch bay is that I have a rack mounted mixer for my keys… and it’s a hassle getting to the inputs on the rear (SM10). So my idea is to use through just to handle this. I also have an iConnect Audio interface that has 4 inputs on the front.. and 4 outputs and one headphone Jack on the rear.. perhaps an overkill as I’m not routing any effect chains.. my conclusion watching your excellent series on this topic is that for my purposes all patching should be set to through to allow me to achieve my goal of simply replicating then inputs and outputs of my rack mounted devices to the front of the patch bay? Am I understanding correctly? In your example you have the keys going into the back.. but again for access reasons I want the keys output to go to the front of the patchbay. As these are inputs to the mixer I assume following the convention keys should go to B1 on the front and a patch lead from B1 rear to the desired mixer channel on the rear?
Thanks for watching. Nearly got it :) The keyboard is an output and should go rear A1, come to front A1, normalised to front B1 and out of rear B1 to the mixer. The idea of a patch bay is not only to bring the rear of units to the front on the patch bay, but also to minimize patching. This video might help you ruclips.net/video/mCAdbM6aDIw/видео.html
What are your thoughts on using THRU mode and connecting Keys L/R to A1 and B1 front and A1, B1 rear to the mixer… This goes against the principle of outputs on A and inputs on B but would utilize an otherwise redundant B1 channel if I were to use normal mode.
@@apz9022 A1 as output and B1 as input is only a recommendation and makes it easy for anyone to just plug in, but there is no reason why you can't use any which way it benefits you.
When you setup the stereo to two mono Y cable at the beginning you had the patch bay set to half normal. Later when you were connecting the compressor you said its should be normal. Please clarify.
You channel is fantastic. I'm thinking of buying the behringer fca1616 , how would I connect it to my Allen and Heath zed 24 via patchbay as I don't want to connect it by usb . Would I take the outputs of the 1616 to the output of the patchbay then take the inputs from the patchbay to the inserts of the mixing desk ? Thanks for any help you can give me with this best wishes .Dave
Not sure it will have many benefits with FCA1616 as A&H Zed24 does not have sub mix channels to feed to FCA1616 inputs. Not having multi-channel output from the mixer, defies the purpose of having a multi-channel audio recording interface. Yes, you can feed the FCA1616 outputs into Zed24 inputs for multi-channel playback.
Hi. Just subscribed. I have a question regarding thru mode and outboard processors. My patchbay is an old Whirlwind. It doens't have a mode switch for thru mode. I can only reverse the pcbs to get normal and half normal mode. If I wanted to patch outboard gear in half normal mode how do I avoid the feedback loop danger when I have nothing patched in ? My only solution is using 2 separate patchbay channels for the input and output of an effects processor in order to avoid the feedback loop. How do you patch outboard gear if your patchbay has no thru mode switch? Will it damage the gear to have a feedback loop in a half normal mode when that channel has no patches in front? Thanks. Always enjoy your videos.
Thanks. If the patch-bay doesn't have any Thru configuration, then only choice is to use 2 bays. You can't afford loopback and damage your gear. If your gear has input and output, then they would normally occupy twice the spaces. eg. 2 channel compressor, A1 & A2 as outputs, and B3 & B4 as inputs etc. So Audio Interface outputs are at A3 & A4 and input back at B1 & B2.
And also also, If you connected the synthesizer to interface input 5 , we have to connect cable from synthesizer of output to interface of the input 5 ,and using patchbay to hookup patchbay in and out to the other patchbay in and out and compress the signal ????
Very interesting and it explains a lot... Might go and by a patchbay my selves. AND..... What's the name/artist of the outro music ? please... Trying to find out who that is....
How would I use that patchbay with a 16 track mixing board ? I have a compressor on tracks 1-8. For example, tracks 9-16 don't have any compressors on them. So track 3 has a LA2A connected to it and I want to send the compressor signal to track 11. Then record the compressor on track 3 to track 11. Is that possible through the patchbay ?
So, iv'e never used a patchbay before and going to buy one because of a couple of outboard gears i recently bought. I have one question, if i have a stereo fx unit like a Lexicon and want full stereo sounds back into the sound-card, is it the same cable method connection as the compressor or do i have to connect differently ? Great videos by the way, learned a lot !
perfectly explained thankyou, i have the same patch bay, could you send me the blank patchbay matrix so i could print it out, thx maybe a link from dropbox :)
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but if you are using an insert cable, you are actually losing the balanced side of things. You're connecting the compressor with balanced TRS cables, but the audiocard through inserts, which uses unbalanced TR cables. It would make much more sense to use the balanced inputs and outputs of your audiocard than the inserts, if you ask me.. correct me if i'm wrong. For the rest, nice video..
You are correct about INSERT points being unbalamced and very few mixing consoles support TRS out/in. But most times the EFX gear is very close to the mixer and this should not cause any issues, plus they are at line level. Not many bus compressors or EQ gear have mic level input.
This is really the best tutorial on patch bays I’ve seen. Thank you very much.
Thanks 😊
I have seen sooo many patchbay videos and I was either more confused or didn't learn anything. Your videos have cleared all this up for me so nicely. Thank you so much for that!
Glad to help!
The best explained tutorial I've seen regarding patchbays. All the others I've seen only show what happens on the front of the patchbay.
Very good patchbay video where this video shows how to hook up studio equipment on the back of patchbay was well as front of patch bay..
Thanks man! Really helpful, and very easy and clearly described!!! I learned more things than I was expecting to 🙌🏼
Glad it helped!
at last a video that explains step by step... awsome.
my man you are a LEGEND
Super useful slideshow/explaining. At the moment i am renovating a studio from the 90's and i have to connect many lines and patchbays to one big main patchbay. I need to do this alone and these videos pretty much walked me through every possibility.
Im very thankfull, keep up the good work.
thank you so much for your explanation. the best so far!
Appreciate your input
Wow this it the best explanation yet! I was so confused about this. Even after looking at diagrams!
Thanks.
Thanks for your walkthroughs.
Woooooow man I like your tutorial! It’s the most useful patchbay tutorial I’ve seen on RUclips so far👌🏼 I wish that there is a double-like option on RUclips; you really deserve massive thanks 🙏🏼
I had to watch this video several times as I was not getting it, however, I fallowed it to a T, turns out the inputs of your outboard gear go to the top row and the out puts to the bottom. I had it reverse and no sound will come out of my headphones, I believe I miss understood when he says the output ( at the front now top row A) goes out and patches into the B row(bottom) input. I don’t know if people noticed that, but anyway, after I reverse my connections on the back I got my gear to work, nevertheless, it helped me a great deal, God bless you Vatche. Thank you for this vid.
Watch the video maybe one more time. OUTPUTS from gear go to the TOP RAW (A).
Thank you, these videos are great! One minor thing that's worth mentioning... I think I'm right in saying that if any connector in a passive signal path is unbalanced, the entire signal path is effectively unbalanced. So, because those insert cables are unbalanced, the fact that the compressor feeds and patch cables are balanced is making no difference in this case. Of course, it's still worth using balanced cables wherever possible, to increase the chance that the entire connection will be balanced.
Yes, you are correct about the insert points being unbalanced. Not many budget interfaces have balanced out/in. But, in many large live mixing consoles, they have balanced seprate insert out and in for each Mic channel, as well as the Master Bus.
Bravo, this is the first tutorial that actually shows the signal flow with ease, i also like the use of the coloured tie clips , those will be very handy for one coloured cables. Thanks
Yeah !!! Ist the best patch bay plug in select tutorial
Very well explained...clear!Many thanks!I just realized that with my mixer ,patchbay is not necessary!
Very clear and informative work here. Nice!
Glad it was helpful!
Great presentation! You explained it like a pro!!!! Subscribing!!!
Awesome, thank you!
Great Video. "It can get complicated with different modes"
If you divide into sections, it should be ok. I make a note at the front panel of each channels' mode.
Thanks for sharing this Vatche, very helpful & educational.
Thanks to you for a very well example of patch bays. I will be getting one or two bc this video shows them to be a time saver plus versatile for dual compression and creativity in general. Much thanks. Subscribed.
Great video! Thanks
Suppeerr very usefull video... Thank you sir
Great video, very helpful
Excellent description. Thanks.
In part 1 my first thought when you started to speak was that you had a really LIVE room... now I know why - it wasn't finished yet! :D
Hi Vatche. Excellent tutorial on patchbays and the different modes. I can see why the thru mode is a must for serial FX like compressors. What mode should I use for parallel FX like delay and Reverb? I am trying to integrate my Mackie 1604-VLZ3 analogue mixer with my Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 generation II audio interface. I have a couple of 3630 compressors along with an old Midi verb4 and a QUAD V2 multi FX unit. Regards
Alan
Thanks a lot 💯
Hi Both Fantastic Videos !! How would you set up the Sidechain on the Compressor? I'd like to have that option on my patchbay. My Compressor has a Sidechain IN and OUT on both channels so would i use half or full normal? I'm literally as you are with my home studio in bits all over the floor!! Any help would be appreciated as i'm finding it difficult to find a definitive answer on google.
I also have a dbx 266xs which has an Insert Sidechain so would that be different as if the jack is inserted it changes the signal path?
now that was useful far better demo. I found I was losing my train of thought in the last video. this one works for me A B C . Now the real power of patching is with the AUX on the mixer. the FCA1616 is a nice little interface I have one. but move over to a mixer I used to get my AUX from the FCA1616 via line out, I can honestly say I don,t known much about the input insert because I,am in to synths and use stereo a lot, the insert patch leads are unbalanced I known with them being short there should,nt be a problem, but they can interduce hum, and as my synth are on the other side of the room. does the input insert produce a stereo sigal I wouldnt thought so, but it might be because it could be a digal signal ? do you known thx for getting back. I should of check your other video's. cheers....keep them coming/*****
Maybe this video might help you about "inserts" ruclips.net/video/a_iJphEicgs/видео.html
Yes, usually inserts are used for pre-processing and next to the mixer/audio interface. Few mid and high-end mixers do have separate insert OUT/IN that are balanced. Inserts on mixers/audio interfaces are analogue and 90% of the time on the mono Mic channels.
what do you do when a piece of outboard gear as a L and R out? How do you connect and use that gear with a patchbay?
Like a CD player? Then simply connect it to patch A, and then B to an input you would normally plug into, like your mixer or audio interface. Then you can use the patch to reassign the output of the CD player or the input of the mixer.
Hope that makes sense.
Hi bro
May you describe more details about the part that you explained in videos for how to use synthesizer and compress signal on two different channels to patch the patchbay ?
How you setup in the daw ???
I meaning in daw software for example Logic Pro
x !!????
Kind of confused about what you explain in the videos one signal for the synthesizer to normal
And other channel is compress signal????
Very helpful ,Thanks
Thanks for watching.
tks so so so so so much!!!!!!!!!
Welcome
Nice explanation. I know it's off topic but could you let us know about your recording desk? It looks really nice. Thanks.
Sorry for late reply, somehow I had missed it. I have no idea what the make of my desk is.
Hey ! If I want to use a guitar on a stereo reverb, all two on the patchbay, can I plug my mono guitar signal on the left input of my reverb and have left and right output of the reverb works ?
This depends on the Reverb unit. Some do Left (Mono) input to stereo out, some are stereo in, stereo out.
Just one thing, does this work in the same way if your setting up outborad gear ?
Great video!Just a quick question about synth connection i noticed that you have sent synth signal from the front of the patchbay with one TRS patch cable. Does that mean that you have connected synth signal at the back of the patchbay with also 1 TRS cable (by converting 2 TS (L + R) from synth into 1 TRS? I am learning so much from you.Thanks a lot! :)
The illustration is for mono output synth.
If a mono synth, then 1 TRS lead, or 2 TRS leads and patch bays, for stereo synth. Even if the synth is stereo with TS signal, I still use one patch bay for each, and not use the TRS as stereo.
Hi friend! Espetacular explaning how to use the patchbay again! You Wold make a serie of that, is very hard to reach this very well explaned. I would like to know more about pactchbay connecting muitliple divices. Can you Do this for us?
Thanks and congratulations for your Work!
Thanks for watching. I might do few more videos with different scenarios on patchbay use.
Fantastic vid!! I’ve been looking into getting a patchbay for a while now and couldn’t find a vid that explains it with a detailed demonstration. Now I understand how it works and I’m gonna try using your spreadsheet figure out how to connect my 2 Apollo x8p’s to an API preamp, Neve Preamp & Distressor to a patchbay.
The Apollo x8p’s have 8Mic/Line combo jacks and they don’t have inserts but it has DB25’s in and outs which I think I can still use as inserts??
Thanks. Here is a video explaining all about mixer/audio interface INSERTS ruclips.net/video/a_iJphEicgs/видео.html that might help you.
RecordingStudio9.com Awesome thanks!
I’m a keyboard player, and have this patchbay… and I’m struggling to set things up in an optimized way. The main purpose for me having the patch bay is that I have a rack mounted mixer for my keys… and it’s a hassle getting to the inputs on the rear (SM10). So my idea is to use through just to handle this. I also have an iConnect Audio interface that has 4 inputs on the front.. and 4 outputs and one headphone Jack on the rear.. perhaps an overkill as I’m not routing any effect chains.. my conclusion watching your excellent series on this topic is that for my purposes all patching should be set to through to allow me to achieve my goal of simply replicating then inputs and outputs of my rack mounted devices to the front of the patch bay? Am I understanding correctly? In your example you have the keys going into the back.. but again for access reasons I want the keys output to go to the front of the patchbay. As these are inputs to the mixer I assume following the convention keys should go to B1 on the front and a patch lead from B1 rear to the desired mixer channel on the rear?
Thanks for watching.
Nearly got it :)
The keyboard is an output and should go rear A1, come to front A1, normalised to front B1 and out of rear B1 to the mixer.
The idea of a patch bay is not only to bring the rear of units to the front on the patch bay, but also to minimize patching.
This video might help you ruclips.net/video/mCAdbM6aDIw/видео.html
What are your thoughts on using THRU mode and connecting Keys L/R to A1 and B1 front and A1, B1 rear to the mixer… This goes against the principle of outputs on A and inputs on B but would utilize an otherwise redundant B1 channel if I were to use normal mode.
@@apz9022 A1 as output and B1 as input is only a recommendation and makes it easy for anyone to just plug in, but there is no reason why you can't use any which way it benefits you.
Can I connect more synthesizers-channels to the compressor?
Very clarily man
When you setup the stereo to two mono Y cable at the beginning you had the patch bay set to half normal. Later when you were connecting the compressor you said its should be normal. Please clarify.
Did you get the chance to watch part 1? I explain in detail ruclips.net/video/VurgTvrJ6kI/видео.html
You channel is fantastic. I'm thinking of buying the behringer fca1616 , how would I connect it to my Allen and Heath zed 24 via patchbay as I don't want to connect it by usb . Would I take the outputs of the 1616 to the output of the patchbay then take the inputs from the patchbay to the inserts of the mixing desk ? Thanks for any help you can give me with this best wishes .Dave
Not sure it will have many benefits with FCA1616 as A&H Zed24 does not have sub mix channels to feed to FCA1616 inputs. Not having multi-channel output from the mixer, defies the purpose of having a multi-channel audio recording interface. Yes, you can feed the FCA1616 outputs into Zed24 inputs for multi-channel playback.
i have to see this videos without weed cuz i was have one problem to fix now i have many of them =))
Hi. Just subscribed. I have a question regarding thru mode and outboard processors. My patchbay is an old Whirlwind. It doens't have a mode switch for thru mode. I can only reverse the pcbs to get normal and half normal mode. If I wanted to patch outboard gear in half normal mode how do I avoid the feedback loop danger when I have nothing patched in ? My only solution is using 2 separate patchbay channels for the input and output of an effects processor in order to avoid the feedback loop. How do you patch outboard gear if your patchbay has no thru mode switch? Will it damage the gear to have a feedback loop in a half normal mode when that channel has no patches in front? Thanks. Always enjoy your videos.
Thanks. If the patch-bay doesn't have any Thru configuration, then only choice is to use 2 bays. You can't afford loopback and damage your gear.
If your gear has input and output, then they would normally occupy twice the spaces. eg. 2 channel compressor, A1 & A2 as outputs, and B3 & B4 as inputs etc. So Audio Interface outputs are at A3 & A4 and input back at B1 & B2.
@@RecordingStudio9 Thank you for the clarification and more power to your channel.
And also also,
If you connected the synthesizer to interface input 5 , we have to connect cable from synthesizer of output to interface of the input 5 ,and using patchbay to hookup patchbay in and out to the other patchbay in and out and compress the signal ????
Very interesting and it explains a lot... Might go and by a patchbay my selves. AND.....
What's the name/artist of the outro music ? please... Trying to find out who that is....
How would I use that patchbay with a 16 track mixing board ? I have a compressor on tracks 1-8. For example, tracks 9-16 don't have any compressors on them. So track 3 has a LA2A connected to it and I want to send the compressor signal to track 11. Then record the compressor on track 3 to track 11. Is that possible through the patchbay ?
If your mixing desk has channel inserts, like in my example, then yes. How do you have your Compressor connected at the moment?
So, iv'e never used a patchbay before and going to buy one because of a couple of outboard gears i recently bought.
I have one question, if i have a stereo fx unit like a Lexicon and want full stereo sounds back into the sound-card, is it the same cable method connection as the compressor or do i have to connect differently ?
Great videos by the way, learned a lot !
Then you need to use 2 bays. ie A1 & A2 as Left & Right output from Lexicon. Normally FX take mono in, so use only B1 as FX input.
Hi, can you tell me the part number/model number of your desk? Thanks
I have no idea. Sorry.
At a glance, it seems to be the Studio RTA Producer Station in Maple color.
perfectly explained thankyou, i have the same patch bay, could you send me the blank patchbay matrix so i could print it out, thx maybe a link from dropbox :)
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I will have a download link for the blank and sample patchbay matrix on my website recordingstudio9.com soon
Thanks
Ha! I have a Robby the Robot on my studio desk too
He solves all my calculations 😁
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but if you are using an insert cable, you are actually losing the balanced side of things. You're connecting the compressor with balanced TRS cables, but the audiocard through inserts, which uses unbalanced TR cables. It would make much more sense to use the balanced inputs and outputs of your audiocard than the inserts, if you ask me.. correct me if i'm wrong. For the rest, nice video..
You are correct about INSERT points being unbalamced and very few mixing consoles support TRS out/in.
But most times the EFX gear is very close to the mixer and this should not cause any issues, plus they are at line level. Not many bus compressors or EQ gear have mic level input.
You didn't show the Behringer inputs and outputs !
Maybe you should also watch part 1. ruclips.net/video/VurgTvrJ6kI/видео.html