House of the Dragon S1E09 live Q&A discussion
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2022
- Discussing House of the Dragon Episode 9!
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Audience reaction to incest: 👏
Audience reaction to feet: 😱
IKR. A foot fetish is pretty tame compared some other stuff we’ve seen in GoT and HOTD.
I think the incest has been 'normalised' in the context of Westeros.
A foot fetish is 'real', something the weird Internet people do. It breaks the barrier down a bit and makes the audience unconformtable.
I like feet.
-Gawr Gura
My reaction to both: 🤢 🤮
😅😅😅😅😅😅
I love how Criston Cole and Aemond went to ONE brothel that Aemond went to when he was 13. And then were just like... "welp, I got nothing".
@@louis8487 Also shows that Aemond had no interest following Aegon on his gross adventures since he was young. One Eye was there because he was the only one who isn't afraid of roughing his brother up and dragging him home, which was necessary lol. That scene was so funny to me.
@@louis8487 It felt like something from a farce. It was great.
Thats what I loved about this episode, it felt so real, so... possible, this would 100% happen like this, this would totally go on like this. They are looking for him, they cant just magically know where he is like they would in game of thrones. Half of this episode is spent on something that game of thrones would have solved in one scene. I love it so much.
I liked when the hooker made a comment about how grown he was and he ran off.
We don't know how many they went too... We just saw one
I don't think Larys' motivation is just feet, i think he likes putting other people in vulnerable positions and feeling some sense of power over them. Cuz he spent his whole life as a crippled second son. There's a bunch of times when he's got people in cages and he's talking down to them.
Similar with Tyrion...
Nah larys only actual motivation is feet cause his don't work
I thought Otto or Cole would have the most satisfying death… I was wrong. It’s FN Larys. The creep.
I would not be surprised if he manipulate Alicent to get laid with him
@@Spearca I was thinking that too. Like, if his main motivation is feet, he could just hire a prostitute. I'm sure in a place like King's Landing, foot fetishes aren't that weird.
I think he's more getting off on that it's the Queen's feet. He's attracted to power dynamics.
In episode 2 (?) Alicent and Viserys share an intimate moment at the hunting camp's bonfire. Full of wine, Viserys admits for the first time to Alicent his doubts regarding Rhaenyra's appointment as heir. He says he dreamt that Aegon would be King. He could not shake the feeling of truth seen in that dream. When Viserys is on his deathbed, Alicent is not taking the mumblings of her dying husband as a cheap opportunity. Viserys says, do you remember when we spoke about the dream? Alicent believes that Viserys is calling back to one of the early pivotal moments of their relationship. It does mean something important to her.
That was episode 3. Also importantly Vicerys stated he named Rhaenyra heir to protect the realm from Daemon. Since Rhaenyra is now married to Daemon, maintaining Rhaenyra’s position as heir no longer accomplishes this goal. Alicent isn’t privy to the full extent of Vicerys and Daemons brotherly love and care for each other despite their many disagreements, and from her perspective Daemon is no less dangerous than when he was younger. Alicent may even fear Daemon more now after he allegedly killed Laenor so he could marry Rhaenyra. So this may be another reason why Alicent truly believes Vicerys changed his mind on succession last minute.
Oh shit, good point, I forgot about that scene. Definitely makes Alicent's interpretation of Viserys's words way more reasonable
damn great point
YES! I feel that Alicent is truly doing this out of love for Viserys
Wow that's some pretty convenient setup for a compelling story. It's almost like somebody wrote this stuff.
Helena: Beware the beast beneath the floorboards.
Meleys: It's my time to shine!
If only that's what it was alluding too 🙁
@@higglybiggly1174 wdym that sounds like exactly what she was alluding to. Like how Maleys made a prediction before about Aemond losing his eye a couple episodes back
@@dilanrajapaksha there's a far worse moment for her coming up, and the people that instigate it come out from secret passages hidden in the red keep. The entire show from here on out is really just tragic.
@@higglybiggly1174 This one was certainly about Rhaenys
@@Darkstar_Dayne no, it wasn't. You can keep replying to me but you're wrong. Rhaenys did absolutely nothing the greens needed to bewary of. She didn't harm them at all. Spooked them? Sure. But they're fine. B&C is a lot worse and fits a lot better since, ya know, the actual boards they're traveling under and not rock and stone.
I really love how every stream ASX says he's wrapping up the stream soon and then it goes on for another hour.
It's tradition
It's fun to see how everyone laughs at Alicent saying "Viserys wanted Aegon to be king with his last dying breath".
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman what?
No underlying issues going on with this commenter, no sir
i thought it was strange how not one person thought to consider Rhaenyra’s son Aegon instead of the elder
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman It's based on several things in history, most famously Edward the Confessors supposed last words
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman I have read your comment 3 times and I still cannot comprehend what you’re trying to say.
I'm loving Aemond's signature catch phrase, "Mm."
He stole that from his uncle I think
@@-_-5470 did he? He uses it twice as much, then. I think it punctuated just about every line he uttered. Either "Mm" or "Hm". Almost like he can't actually say what he's thinking because it's fucked up and unbecoming of a prince, so he bites his tongue and forces out the "Mm" instead.
Yo Larys Strong having a clubfoot AND a foot fetish is the most George RR Martinian shit ever
The queens feet were magnificent
Winds of Winter delayed for another year while George rewrites Fire & Blood
What did Halaena say? Something about wanting what others have?
@@praiha
BET!
It should be Larys Foot Club, not clubfoot.
I just can’t stop seeing the show writers discussing: “you know what this show needs…. FEET FETISH” 😅
quentin tarantino directed this episode
@@alexrockas3704 Quentin has taste. The scene was just clunky by someone who doesn’t understand what FF is.
@@Jalanko13 found the guy with a foot fetish
@@saintbastion also the guy who doesn’t understand what a joke is
@@Jalanko13
Please don’t shame Larys for the way he enjoys his fetish.
No kink shaming.
As someone who usually watches these live streams after they’ve aired, I must say my favorite part is when you say “We’re going to wrap up” and there’s still an hour remaining.
Aegon's walk to the throne was awesome, that sword choreography was so camp and absolutely slayed.
Yeah that was a really good scene. But while watching it I kept imagining that there should be a parody version where one of the soldiers can't handle the pressure, lowers the sword too early, and cuts into Aegon 😂
@@arun279 I was literaly screaming at my screen 'fucking lower it now and cut this bitch in two pleaseeeee!'
Reminds of me when I was a soldier and participated in a march, I was so focused on the movements I didn't hear the commands. It didn't end well for me. :3
@@arun279 Glad I'm not the only one lol or even they sheathed the swords I imagined one guy struggling
Oh man I know, an with the music, and the actors facial expressions, the whole seane was on point.
"Helena is crocheting a spider", "Helena who is knitting a spider", "The spider Helena is drawing" she's embroidering
Yes exactly thank you
The embroidery fandom is raging right now
@-MR-PoPo- The people who wrote the scene.
@-MR-PoPo- it's mainly funny that he got it wrong in three different ways. I dont actually care if alt is well versed in arts and crafts
@@voadicia9593 embroidery twitter is going to be furious
Alicent calling aegon an imbecile wasn’t a rejection. It was an “of course I do you fool”. She stood in between him and meleys.
Yeah, it was sort of disappointing that Alt decided to forgo that fact, doubly-so because the super chat deliberately included it, and he just ignored it. Maybe some bias on his part? Maybe bias informed by spoilers? I really don't know, having not read the source material.
Yeah, I’m surprised how off Alt is on this one too. I still consider him my go to expert in ASOIAF lore but I believe he read this scene all wrong. There may be a touch of truth to his interpretation but I think it was mostly an endearing “you imbecile.” She even smirked after saying it.
Yep. It was literally her thinking “I put up with your raping women, being a shit son, a useless wanker, yet I still do all I can to make you a king and fight for you, and you still ask if I love you?” though, I must admit, she could cut on the physical abuse. Perhaps if she got inspired by Rhaenyra’s parenting, her kids would’ve turned out better.
its a little bit of hypocrisy from mysaria to want to cut off children's work as herself also profit mostly from having kids work for her. the end of the pit fights with kids would definitely benefit her work too ,so its not just a humans right agenda. larys is also not ordering her death because of alicent in any way. he is doing it to acomplish the monopoly of the whispers
She's willing to risk the lives of everyone in westeros for her sons crown, that's what she means. Not necessarily love but ambition and narcissism are her motivation. She doesn't "like" her son just like her husband. She's the one who cleans his horrible messes.
Beesbury: *breathing*
Cole: COWABUNGA IT IS
Ep. 1 Ser Criston Cole
Ep. 2 Ser Crispin Cole
Ep. 3 Ser Country Cole
Ep. 4 Ser Coupling Cole
Ep. 5 Ser Crazy Cole
Ep. 6 Ser Coaching Cole
Ep. 7 Ser Cautious Cole
Ep. 8 Ser Concise Cole
Ep. 9 Ser Crashface Cole
@@skywatcheradept
Ser Crushin' Cole
@@Oli-ey7rt Ser Kingmaker Cole
It's never been Larys the clubfoot. It's Larys in the Foot Club.
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LMAO
I feel bad for all the small folk who got girlbossed to death by rhaenys
They were literally cheering for an unsurper.. They were her enemies..
@@dhritidutta6231 they were cheering for the king. cant wait for them to swarm the dragonpit after this scene. kill the dragons, free the people
@@dhritidutta6231 Because a medieval peasant in GoT totally has the privilege to deny a king.
@@notmenotnever4565 Neither do you tbh.
@@dhritidutta6231 What the fuck they gonna do? Vote for Rhaenyra?
Imagine spending 5 dollars to superchat Alt Shift X to ask "Do you think there will be a season two" LMAO
Mysaria wants to end the child fighting pits...by helping to crown someone who actively engages with them 🥴
Right? Should've just whacked him tbh lol
LOL She knows he wouldn't really be the one in control as he's the incompetent one who just lays around, NOT Otto Hightower whose controlling everything so Aegon would have been mainly controlled through Otto and his mother mainly since he has not real skill on ruling or any real interest.
This show makes all characters so much dumber...
@@0912sooli lol NOT even close. The show must certainly DOES NOT “mAkEs alL chAraCtErs sO mucH dumBer” in ANY way at all as MOST of the characters are intelligent but heavily morally flawed human beings. What the op said isn’t valid at all and nothing you’ve said against the show isn’t valid either in anyway because you don’t understand the situation at all as the show is MASTERFULLY written completely for it’s runtime!
Nothing about your comment makes sense as the show has had a fantastic cast of VERY intelligent characters completely from being a incredibly phenomenal show so far! Just stop with your nonsense statements right now because what your saying is NOT true at all in ANY way.
@@0912sooli thank you for saying it!
Dumber and less entertaining
When Rhaenys bursted out of the floor, something started to happen with me: my hair started growing long and silver, a crown appeared on my head and i could only do one thing: scream at the top of my lungs for her to burn them all as Aerys did.
🔥
Same I was this close to literally screaming dracarys off the top of my lungs at 9am
Look around you, Jaime might be lurking behind. Also please cut your nails.
Eyeroll
Burn them ALL
Nice how Alicent has this big speech w/ her father about how she was just a pawn in his game, then in the next scene she does the exact same thing w/ Aegon.
the cycle of abuse
The twin that left was Aegon’s sword shield right? That makes sense. He know EXACTLY what Aegon is. The other one is like “man, a job is a job”
I think it's the other way around. Which makes sense to me because the sworn shield would have seen Aegon's behaviour slowly escalating and had time to rationalize it but the other guy found out about child-fighting-pits and bastards living in squalour in the span of like 5 minutes.
@@jamesdillenbeck8301 no it's the other way, the twin who stayed said "but you have known all this for years" inside the sept and the one who left replies "but he was never to be king" or whatever.
I think Jack is right. I also think that's why Erryk didn't give two shits enough to try to "stop" Aegon from slipping out of the castle. Knowing Aegon as he did, he's probably like "dang... he got away. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ welp, if he dies, he dies."
Genuine question, how do you tell them apart during the fights & action scenes?
Ok, but Alicent clearly DID call Aegon an imbecile affectionately/as reassurance (that he is an imbecile to think that she doesn't). He asks her if she loves him and she stares at him like she can't believe he's asking her this, calls him "you imbecile," and smiles tenderly at him (and then is lightning fast to put her body between him and Meleys later).
She still loves her rotted kid, despite what she said in anger last episode, which is part of her tragedy, really (it's also rather sad because even if she does love him, she certainly has not made him FEEL loved up until now, and, while her feelings here seem genuine, it's still a little unkind to laugh off his insecurity as ridiculous when he has every reason to doubt that he is loved by his parents).
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No she was never affectionate with him, pretty obvious that they show her being abusive towards Aegon.
You guys are using a lot of "clearly" and "obviously" kind of words for something that is, as we can see, quite disputable lol
@@LuzikArbuzik77 lmao
Her feelings of duty. Which were completely different, had she not misinterpreted those last words Viserys had spoken to her. She has show him no love, has publicly hit him at least twice and thus he is a product of that lack of love.
You confuse duty, forced upon her by the men in her life, for love.
She doesn’t even love Heleana, she pities her and made her marry her son, knowing what kind of man he was, eventho incest goes against the faith she professes to follow…. She forced her two children to sin. Out of duty.
Alicent: Tell me more
Larys: Send me them foot pics
Alicent: Le sigh
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Why are you adding "le" in the year of our lord 2022
@@NachoLemon because it is le funny
Crashing the simpeconomy
@@NachoLemon
YOUR Lord may be 2022, but mine sure as fuck isn’t
Alicent’s look of disgust during the foot scene seem to suggest she’s been doing this for a while now
I would be disgusted also the first time, but I see what you mean and I agree
I found the fact that he didn't need to say anything for her to know what to do for information a bit more revealing
Am I the only one super super curious how that went down the first time? "Your Grace, I have some hot gossip. Just need you to take off your socks first"
@@jeanne6961 haha yea right your grace may I see your jellies
Alicent: pardon me?!!
🤣
@@AtlantaGuns "trust me Ali it's worth it, I heard the funniest rumour about Rhaenyra, you'll love it. Shoes off"
Nobles: We just can't bear killing innocent people
Peasants: What about all of us that you keep killing
Nobles: You're people?!
RIP the legend Vizzy. Bro fr thought the kingdom was finally at peace sadge.
Hope he rots and suffers in whatever afterlife exists in GoT's universe. Couldn't keep his daughter in line and couldn't check his piece of shit brother, because ohhh targaryens are just superior to everyone else, and sowed the seeds for disaster by refusing to be brave enough to deal with the truth, face harsh realities, and make the kinds of tough decisions that define good kings.
Lol Vizzy.
Paddy Constantine's acting was flawless. Hope he gets a lot of awards for this.
Fr fr
💯😤👑
I've seen a lot of weird $#!t in GoT and HoTD, but the foot fetish thing is surprisingly up at the top 10, just because of how unexpected and odd it is.
I found that revolting and really want the person who came up with that to be shot
It really caught me off guard.
Fucking love that this show still manages to surprise me.
Uncomfortable scene Jesus
@Skynet1 👍
@Skynet1 Rape and murder are such extreme acts, most people hopefully don't have context for it. I can't imagine being crushed to death by a dragon or being a sex slave. I take off my socks everyday
I think the dragonkeepers are no doubt the descendents of the freed Valyrian slaves that Aenar brought over with him to Dragonstone, just like a lot of the common folk on Dragonstone are said to be. That's my head-canon anyways. I imagine that dragonkeeping is a family trade that most are born into, practically religious, and that, in return for this insanely dangerous service they're extremely well taken care of.
I only wish they had the badass armor that the book describes because it was sick. They just look like dirty homeless people
The weird part is that nobody brought up that Viserys might have meant Rhaenyra's son AEGON to be king, as he met the young child before he died. I hope it gets brought up in the final episode.
As an autistic person I don’t think Helaena being a dreamer is insulting at all
I think most of her worth still comes from how sweet and honest she is and just how much of a ray of sunshine she is in the show
That’s just me but I love my autistic bug princess
“Impaled him on his council ball”
Best line ever
Impaled*
@@MarauderM00gi thanks.
Not my first language
@@aquila4228 you’re doing great though! Coming from a non first languager 😅
Never a good idea to leave your balls on the table.
I think Aegon was the only actor change I was still lukewarm on, but damn! Tom absolutely killed it this episode
1:40:30 there was a scene in episode 6 when Alicent has a dinner with Larys and she sits on an ottoman and takes off her shoes. i remember it bc i thought it was meant to show how comfortable she is in front of him, like they're familiar enough that she can do that, but now i don't know lol
Aegon really is the Chet Hanks of the Targaryens
Valyrian Boy Summer brought the Doom of Old Valyria
Gonna find a place where everybody looks like me
White people as far as the eye can see
It's the white boy summer its seemin ok to me
Going down to the beach you know we bout to catch a wave
Gonna find some white girls and we're gonna procreate
White boy summer gotta fix that low birth rate
We just need Aegon strolling around yelling, “PUSSYCLOT” and, “PSYYYYCHE”.
😂
nailed it
THAT scene was definitely one of those "what is happen-WHAT IS HAPPENING?!" scenes. Just like the window one.
“No… they wouldn’t…. Omg… OMG…. ok… so, they TOTALLY WOULD AND JUST DID!!!” - me when I saw it
@@themurrrr I quickly hit the pause button to admire Olivia Cooke's awesome feet!
@@turrican4d599 is that you larys🧐
Larys was one of my faves but that shit definitely put him below more than a few characters 😂
rhaenys final moments was cool but also it sure is "how to get the small people against you and your side as quick as possible"
Ye not the whole “I was the only one there and he said Aegon was supposed to be king after years of him never doing that so like yeah just trust me bro that’s what he said”
@@diskeyes If you're a peasant you probably don't give a shit whether or not it's true. What you will give a shit about is that the side the new king opposes, will instantly and mercilessly kill you. So your two choices are A. King who looks like a Targaryan and has the backing of his family. Or B. A chick who just killed your wife and cousin for no reason other than to look cool.
@@diskeyes Smallfolk are gonna care a lot more about the senseless slaughter of them than the Lords claiming one thing over another.
@@gezenews you’re weird and obsessed with hating Alicent
@@gezenews oh you'll see how the world works there soon enough. Hint, the Dragon-pit in GoT is in ruins for a reason.
Personally I felt like this was a stupid scene since someone like Rhaenys would have never killed innocent peasants. She is the sane one among the bunch.
I feel like the show-runners will try to tie this to the storming of the dragon-pit plotline.
Tiny observation, but the fact that Rhaenys was JUST in the crowd she flattened adds an extra layer of “kinda effed up man”. It’s maybe one thing to smash a crowd of people from dragonback in the heat of the moment, when you’re you’re physically and mentally removed from them and they all look like ants or whatever. But Rhaenys was just walking in that crowd, being jostled by them, hearing their voices, standing among them watching the coronation. And then walked away and made the conscious choice to leave the building _through_ them.
She had to. The point is I think, that she was amongst them but she ISNT like them. She doesn’t belong. She is a Targ and has a dragon: she has to power and she has to show it. Just quietly slipping out of the dragon pit through the back door was not going to do it.
Why is everyone assuming there is another easy way out of the dragon pit? It is a pit. Besides the small entrance Rhaenys used, we see no other way out. If there is a door big enough for dragons, the peasants are probably on top of it.
Are you guys suggesting she just says like "Welp, I guess I'll die" because people are on her way out?
@@kuchikimakoto but we have seen another entrance on the outside in episode 1 where Syrax went inside after the flight with Rhaenyra and also were Daemon left on Caraxes
Otto's "as you wish" hit me like a ton of fucking bricks holy. Dude is despicable in many ways for sure, but chops to the writing AND RHYS OFC for making us feel him just linger there and deliver the line. HOLY
The fkr is cool. People think amond is like daemon but nooo he's much more like Otto
The actor of Otto is premium. I love his performance.
Sir Walter Raleigh-esque, great character, straight out of Shakespeare
@@stylishskater92 Rhys certainly is a legend for a reason
@@stylishskater92 FASHO!
I think you’re right about Haelena. She might be just seeing visions of the future or omnipresent in the moment. So as someone mentions something or acts she’ll see something at that moment and not know what is is, and just speak her mind as is, in reality she’s talking about something in the future
She's always looking into the distance as well, sometimes bringing her hands to her head as if she's trying to silence something or just having an awful headache... I love these small touches
Rhaenys is the embodiment of who Alicent wants to be and who Rhaenyra thinks she Is. She has the political whit like Alicent and also is a Valyrian blooded dragon rider like Rhaenyra. The quote “Have you ever once imagined yourself on the Iron Throne…” is probably one of the best in ASOIAF history.
She is fierce and fiery but also kind and just. Absolute badass. Allicent was right, she should have been queen.
How is he (alt shift x) always so perfectly prepared in the streams with the screenshots? 😄 it’s amazing how he can talk about a scene or a topic and instantly is at the perfect timestamp or opens the dragon map or something. Amazing!!!
Paddy really brought something special to the show and I miss seeing him in it.
Hope he wins tons of rewards for this role.
Also, Larys turning out to have a foot fetish made me chuckle.
Not having Viserys, Rhaenyra or Daemon in the episode felt weird af
Omg enough he's old news
I remember seeing him as a side character in Hot Fuzz and never thought he could pull off such a big role so well
@@elliotcrossan6290 😊
@@louis8487 he brought so much to a character who could've just been a worse Robert in the first season of GOT. The tragedy, the sadness and his love for his family - all of that is his achievement and the writers'. He shall be missed, for absolute certain.
I would not mind at all for him to have a flashback scene in season 2 with Milly Alcock as well
Clearly Aegon didnt want the crown but the moment he raised that sword he got the love from the people that he has been craving from his parents for all of these years. When we first saw Jane my first guess was Nettles also.
That's how a sovereign has a short life, glory seeking ends in death.
"How do we feel about Cristin's hat" LOL idk why that made me smile
It’s wild how people keep asking “Why is so-and-so in charge when that’s not the legal inheritance structure,” or “Why did so-and-so get away with such-and-such. That’s not proper!” Like, my brethren in Christ, that’s the whole point of the books. Power isn’t real. Law isn’t real. Did no one read or see the scene where Cersei rips up king Robert’s last decree?
It just hit me that Aegon’s first act as king was hiding behind his mom
His mom stepped in front of him, which is different than hiding behind his mom.
@@Prodigi50 when the dragon roared he did literally cower behind her
@@Prodigi50 Just admit it he was scared asf and was happy to hide behind mama
With my heart being full on hating Aegon, I think it was a reasonable reaction when everybody thought they are going to be burned to crisp by giant dragon in seconds. Most of us would shit their pants and call mommy too lol
Is it?
There’s something about aemond that I love, quickly becoming my favourite character
There where two beasts beneath the boards. Aegon who was found beneath the "table" + Maelys
The spies he mentioned are also among those.
I love that! Ageon is certainly a beast. Didnt think of that
Stop trying to force it into every scene.
I like how when Rheanys came up through the floor with Meyles, it looked like Ameond put Helena behind him to protect her. Yet at the same time, he was looking at the Red Queen with admiration.
He probably would rather die than be king.
@@nightman1790 she could because she had something he wanted. She had leverage in that situation which is a totally fine explanation why Otto behaved the way he did
@@nightman1790 ur2edgy4me
@@nightman1790 I think it would have worked better if Rheanys just ordered the keeps out of her way; flew out one of the other ways; circled the dragonpit causing the crowd to panic as Meleys cries disturb the coronation within; then, landed on the steps in the doorway threatening to burn those amassed showing that war has begun and what is instore; then flew off.
@@melissaharris3389 mmm no to the second half just because it's what happens between lucerys and aemond at storms end that truly starts the war
It felt like Larys and Alicent have done that quite a bit. She is the power behind the throne, religious, and proper. He gets off on the power trip.
100%... this was not the Queens first rodeo...they been doing this for years.
Yeah she was hesitant to hear from him at first since she knew what she would have to pay him with.
There is a pacing to it, there are expectations, there is a ritual.
Screaming and crying with joy knowing how unbelievably good this series is made!!!!1 the whole team of HOTD deserves a hell lot of aplause and acknowledgement for their splendid work of art.
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman
Ah yes, no wonder THE WRITER OF THE BOOKS HIMSELF IS PRAISING THE SHOW!
But I am sure YOU know better.
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman Nope, it's not that.
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman a lot of talk and zero common sense in it
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman This is all a lie that even you don't truly believe. There's no way that you've made it to episode 9 if you truly felt this way. Stop trolling for attention. 💀
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman glad I’m not the only one to see how badly this show and the characters are written….
When Larys is around, assume something is a foot.
Camaaan man
@@kash.e.w2936 lol.. I know. I'll see myself out. 😁
Also let’s remember the previous episode Alicent points out that both her and Rhaenyra are mothers who love their children. Perhaps Alicent does not “like” Aegon but she seems to love him unconditionally (as only a mother can)
Otto saying Alicent looked like her mother was such a strange thing to say in that moment, it made me gasp, honestly.
I got incest vibes honestly
Yeah not the first time Otto has all but got an erection whenever Allicent asserts herself
Tried to steer the convo his way, like always.
I thought it was unsettling as well!
@@lacym9278 it felt very manipulative cause the convo wasn't going his way so he brings up Alicents dead mom
Two (arguably) main characters of the show were absent in the episode. And it was so good I was glued to the screen. It speaks a lot about the quality of the show.
I'm absolutely loving Phia Saban's performance as Heleana, she seems to have a knack of stealing the show from the background with slight but extremely telling motifs. Rewatch the coronation; while the other Greens are frozen in terror at the sight of the dragon, she can't help but smile in front of such a powerful and magnificent animal.
Awesome catch
She also stares at Aegon the whole time, but the MOMENT they put the crown on his head she averts her face, very deliberately. Very interesting I think.
@@adk7165 I noticed that too but wasnt quite sure what it meant. Worry? Is she sensing what's to come, with her nasty husband/brother as King? Or was it something else?
She has strong Luna Lovegood vibes
Yeah I noticed that too… given she is the dreamer, I wonder what that means 🤔
i absolutely love these discussions. i love that you entertain theories and talk about the universe without any spoilers. and the super chats spark a very fun conversation. i look forward to these video more than any other weekly HotD discussion videos.
I'm really enjoying the theme of quiet defiance mostly coming from the actors. Having read the books it was much more tense seeing things like Ser Harrold's disapproval move into tenderly putting his cloak down, I was actually concerned they'd killed him off earlier and expected a cheap shot but they kept the suspense going. Same as one of the twins just leaving in disgust; it's a genuinely original idea in this universe for 'smaller' people with a little power to say no, instead of grandiloquent speeches about 'the way of the world' and perpetuating its misery.
says he's about to wrap up the livestream because he has be talking for 2 hours but stays live for another hour. I love it
as the dragon flew away - through the doors, she had to fly close to the ground and close her wings to get through the door, so once she was out she really had to flap her wing hard to say airborne- but being only 30-40 feet from the ground -once Mayles flapped her wings the wind vortex it caused, legit set feeing peasants flying ... hilarious
the fact you corrected insects to "& arachnids" did not go unnoticed by the entomologists
It's weird to say Rhaenys was taking the moral high ground by killing dozens of people. I actually read her actions as more of a threat and show of force, to impress upon the Hightowers to leave her family alone or face death. I haven't read the book though, so Alt is going by information he has about the future.
Dozens? Hundreds if not thousands of innocent people died there.
The moral high ground is regarding Rhaenys not taking the opportunity to torch the leaders of the Greens right then and there.
I mean, they imprisoned her and would've killed her without a second thought if she resisted.
The death of those people is very unfortunate though, couldn't she have found another... exit from the dragonpit? I feel like the dragons don't always have to go through the bloody floor to get out
@@harate that’s called fucking stupid writing. She’s basically a terrorist and kills thousands of innocent people but doesn’t kill all the traitors and prevent war. Show sucks.
She should have killed them but I understand why she didn't
Is Haleana's sigil maybe meant to be a weaver trapped by her own web?
This is fascinating analysis thank you !!
its a little bit of hypocrisy from mysaria to want to cut off children's work as herself also profit mostly from having kids work for her. the end of the pit fights with kids would definitely benefit her work too ,so its not just a humans right agenda. larys is also not ordering her death because of alicent in any way. he is doing it to acomplish the monopoly of the whispers
@@TiaguinhoMu I don't think she truly wishes for what she blatantly states, rather it has large political implications of reminding those in power that "the power of the people" is a thing. Time will tell as I don't believe she truly burned in the fire towards the end. Information is power, she has sat atop the info throne for some time now. Arguably now making a play against Hightowers. A similar story impact as the religious sect in GoT maybe?
It's only got 6 legs, so it's not a spider, and to me it clearly looks like a firefly, which is Larys Strong's sigil, seen on his cane and worn as pins on their chests by his tongueless henchmen.
@@TiaguinhoMu stop spamming
I think Larys is actually more little finger than Varys, he’s motivated by his own rise in power while mysaria is surely more like Varys, and doing it for the good of the realm, especially the common folk. She’s even referred to as a spider weaving threads in the red keep. Which everyone knows Varys was know as the Spider. When haelena was reciting her dream at laena’s funeral, I assumed the spider she trapped in the oyster shell was to refer to Larys but now I see it’s mysaria. And because ppl in the chat have semi spoiled a story line for me between mysaria and haelena in the books. Maybe that’s what that spider crushing was alluding to. Maybe like how she covered her ears and turned away during vaemonds beheading, well wasn’t his full head lol which was very autistic of her. Like she couldn’t just look away but had to cover her airs because of the sensory overload, plenty autistic kids reAct like that in tense moments. I’m wondering if her trapping the spider almost violently was her actually covering the spider to shield herself from the dream of what that spider is going to commit. The hurt she is aware she is going to experience, a tense dream that she has to cover her ears and look away from.
Well written comment! 👏
I noticed way back in the ep where Larys kills his bro and father that when Alicent and he were talking during dinner, she takes off her shoes and socks before sitting down at the table with him. I always thought that was odd and kind of un-lady like, something that did not seem to be in line with Alicent's character.
Wow good spot
I feel like they just added the Meleys dragon scene at the end to keep with the Game of Thrones tradition of "crazy shit happening" to shock the audience. Was it a bit unnecessary, sure, but the rest of the episode was brilliant imo.
Or maybe there is a reason that will be revealed in future episodes, wait and see, perhaps.
I get what you're saying, but honestly I didn't mind at all! I really enjoyed it and thought it was powerful besides it being a spectacle :)
To me it was a welcome fire+blood addition to this political episode
I think the Larys 'feet thing' goes beyond a transaction for him- in previous episodes he was so forthcoming and gave information and advice freely, but now that he's done so much to further Allicent's goals and shown his value, he exerts power over her and demands things in return. Along with his more extravagant clothing, we're seeing how he's rising in power and status, even conversing with the hand of the king, and while before he could only talk down and belittle people beneath him, like prisoners, he now has the power to pleasure himself in front of the queen of the seven kingdoms without recourse and she just has to sit there and be disgusted. Ngl, he's giving Littlefinger a run for his money as the schemiest schemer that ever schemed in Westeros.
agreed. It was 100% a power thing.
Dear Alt Shift X, Thank-you so much for this lengthy detailed and frankly propper overview of our new favorite show 😎👍
Wow they really did write Aemond saying "While you were partying, I studied the blade." Lmao!
So happy to see the show surpass what I had expected. Eager to see what comes next.
I thougt it would be really, really bad. I m so happy to have been so wrong.
This episode was awful.
@@hotmailbutts416 normies don't think about logic, give them spectable, dragons, fire and they happy.
@@hotmailbutts416 it wasn't awful until the end
@@Theydas lol
If you pause when Aemon takes off that patch you can TOTALLY see the blue sapphire 😳
Wait when did he take it off?
@@ThatGuyAgen The next ep sneak peek
I’m still shivering thinking about Aegon’s coronation scene. Great acting, phenomenal music and so powerful
Still shivering. Lol its just a show relax
God forbid people have passionate reactions to the things they like.
@@SpiderEmblem SHIVERING.. really youre SHIVERING
People react differently to things. It’s no big deal, bruh.
@@SpiderEmblem its not lol
The "misunderstanding angle" feels so bad to me. I think the worse part of it is that they don't need it. I guess they did it to give Alicent a decent motivation, but it just makes her look stupid.
Im hyped for the arc where Larys Strong gets his own Nickelodeon show going
lmfao
Larys Snyder
Say what you will about Larys Strong, but he did a great job directing Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Yes i don't like his portrayal in this show at all same for criston cole
shut upppppppppp
Not sure if it's mentioned in the stream as I am yet to finish it, so just wanted to note here that surely 'the beast beneath the boards' was Meleys the Red Queen, who burst up out of the ground!! I know people were speculating that it would refer to Blood and Cheese next season, which would be more dramatic and I fully believed that's what Helæna meant before this episode. It really seems like the more obvious answer is Meleys though. Long time subscriber and first time commenter by the way, love your work.
what makes prophecies a bitch is that it could be both! It could be neither! It will never be clear to us or helena at all!
Nah, it's Blood and Cheese. They're literally more monstrous as people then the dragon and what they do is far more damaging to Helena then what happened here. It's a red herring. They get into the red keep using secret passageways, thus "beneath the boards"
@@higglybiggly1174 She said BEAST it's not a plural
@@Darkstar_Dayne it's also a half coherent prophecy from someone who doesn't even kno what she's saying. What did they have to "beware" of here? Rhaenys spared all of them. She literally did nothing to the greens. Blood and Cheese do irreparable damage to Helena, Aegon and Allicent.
@@higglybiggly1174 Could well be both. It'll be interesting to see if Helæna makes a specific prophecy about Blood and Cheese, otherwise it's probably this one
It hit me literally just as the stream was finishing up just how significant, despicable, and hypocritical it was for Otto to have essentially kicked off this whole conflict by spreading his paranoia to Alicent by telling her that Rhaenyra WILL kill her kids so there are no challenges to her claim to the throne... And now one of the first fucking things he says when Viserys dies is essentially that Rhaenyra, Daemon and all their kids should be killed so that Aegon has no challengers for the throne.
There are some characters on the Greens side who are SOMEWHAT sympathetic. But Otto is not one of them. Fuck Otto. Fuck the Greens.
Otto is the best character and ought to have been King himself. But ofc rotten westerners with zero understanding of anything will root for the blacks 😂
@@johncra8982 blasphemy! The blacks shall prevail. Death to the greens!
@@johncra8982 Otto only ever acts out of self-interest and the desire to advance his house. He has literally no selfless actions in the entire series. How is he your favorite character?! Do you just like villains in general?
@@johncra8982 BRUH YOU A FOOL
Honestly Alicent and arguably Aemond are the only rootable characters on the greens. Otto is power-hungry and manipulative hypocrite, Larys is a sociopath, Cole is a unhinged psychopath, and Aegon is such a extreme hedonistic sadist that he would literally rather rape women and murder children than hold the highest position of power in Westeros. Literally the only reason to root for the greens at this point is if you really hate Rhaenyra or are hoping Alicent can end up ruling the Iron Throne.
I fall asleep to these, post-watch. I just adore your channel. Thank you.
100% Agree the Dragonkeepers helped Rhaenys to her Dragon and her armor. Would be have been great to see it. The blank spaces to be filled in on this show are intriguing.
We see that with Daemon taking a dragon eggs way back in episode 2. The keepers don't really try to stop him; just report him afterwards.
The "love" Alicent had for Viserys was not of a wife for her husband: it was that of a girl for her father, a nurse for her patient, a subject for a peaceful king.
Perhaps, after so briefly reuniting after years apart, Alicent also loved Viserys because he was Rhaenyra's father: Rhaenyra was Alicent's childhood, their friendship was likely the happiest time of her life. Viserys dying marks the end of peace, that distsnt memory of girlhood, of Alicent being able to preach righteousness without actually facing the reality of what pushing for an "Aegon The Second" would mean and what it would involve.
Alicent has never had the opportunity to find genuine romantic (or sexual) love: she was 14 when Otto sent her to Viserys. Alicent was and is someone raised to be Devout, Dutiful, and Loyal: to her Faith, her Father, her Husband... and her King.
Now that Alicent is a widow, that her children "don't need her", Alicent is "allowed" (by the rules she has followed) to find out what and who she wants in life. It makes sense that it is only NOW that Alicent acts with her own agency. She's not very good at it, she's still far too hesitant... but Alicent believes that she is "Allowed" to make her own choices now (only to realise most of them are terrifying, horrible, or blatantly uncomfortable).
I think she was 16 in the show because Rhaenyra is younger
@@Ashbrash1998 in F&B, Alicent was 13 when she came to court to "care" for King Jaeherys (it's not stated but it seems likely that, just as in HotD, this was at the orders of her father). HotD shifted That relationship to instead be with Viserys. I believe that HotD has Rhaenyra as being 13 when Alicent was 14. There was a Meme somewhere with Viserys looking away from "12 year old girl" (Laena) in favour of "14 year old girl" (Alicent), though it & i could be mislead.
historiograph-ly speaking, Alicent's exact age being uncertain or inaccurate in F&B could 100% be a case of Historians Getting Things Wrong. it could be that her birth records were damaged and illegible; it could have been an order from Higher Up to Age Alicent Up to make her marriage more flattering to the latest Hightower in charge (thus the shifting of her caretaking at court from Viserys to Jaeherys); could be sources assuming Alicent older/younger because they only saw her from afar (perhaps in a dress of her mother's) or lyong outright lying to push personal agendas.
i've had a lot of fun with the ages of characters in HotD, especially with the "framing" of F&B in mind.
@@BattyButtercup So right! Also; historically speaking, the DOB (even names) of daughters was much less important. If a child lived long enough to be married then that was the important date.
@@melissaharris3389 it gets to the point where the ONLY females with details past who they married or who they birthed are the "bad" ones, the ones who acted unwomanly or otherwise outside their designated roles as ladies.
it's hard to really figure out what was/n't "normal" in history when your sources are made entirely from Statistical Outliers: IRL, it sometimes feels like most of the work of modern historians is editing and correcting the "history" established by past generations. there is a lot of unlearning required because past academics didn't cross-reference their sources enough or never bothered to at all. it's how we get ideas like "the Victorians had terrible health practices" while ALSO believing "corsets were torture devices" despite THAT idea existing solely amongst victorian-era doctors who were Reacting to rumour and photoshopped portraits (the most basic form being to shoot against a dark backdrop & then colour in the bits you wanted less of).
F&B is possibly less bad at leaving females out of history than the ASOIAF main series is: the mothers of Ned Stark's generation exist as names only, having lived and married and had children but without any exact dates to age them by.
(that's why the wiki pages for the likes of Lyarra Stark have "ranges" instead of actual years of birth/death: the only info on these women comes from how old their kids are, how "moral" their husbands or fathers might have been, what events could only occur if they were alive vs dead & extrapolating wildly)
I saw the Meleys in the dragon pit scene as the first step towards the common folk turning on dragons. Knowing that there will probably be a March on the dragon pit eventually, this scene seems like it would start to convince the common people that these dragon riders will play their game and not care who they hurt.
Hopefully 🙏 cause that shit needs consequences I hate how the small folk just get shit on in this show and we are still expected to cheer for team black…
@@Pe37777 oh man, you gonna love kings landing later.
@@Pe37777 yeah it's quite amazing how the Twitter team black simps never seem to give a damn about the small folk being murdered. Well it's gonna come back at them hard
"The common people pray for rain, healthy children, and a summer that never ends. It is no matter to them if the high lords play their game of thrones, so long as they are left in peace. They never are."
- Jorah Mormont
The storming of the dragonpit happens near the end of the civil war; so season 3 or 4.
I liked this episode but I had the same feeling when the dragon erupted through the floor. I was like RIP to those 100 random folks just standing there. That will help your cause.
im excited! the trailer has Aemond taking off his eyepatch! theyre going to show his sapphire eye!
There was the shot when Rhaenys was getting whisked away in the crowd and lambs are shown. It’s like foreshadowing of lambs to the slaughter
Nice
Are you joking about Helaena crocheting/knitting? Lol, you said it in a teasing way. Anyway, she's doing embroidery, an extremely common pastime of young noble ladies with time on their hands as its mostly decorative, beautiful work. (Crochet & knit are more textile - creating usable fabrics & items.) You can also use the term needlework tho.
Aemond actually looked sad about viserys' death. it seemed like he walked into Helaena's room to come tell her and alicent was already there. He looked genuinely sad but i dont think Aemond is the type to show an outburst of emotion. he hides it all underneath the surface.
Not sure if this is the inner asian coming out, but I must agree with Skinny. The 'you imbecile' comment seemed like regardless of how shit you are of a son, you're still my son. Much like how Robin's way of saying 'I love you' is calling her partner an idiot from HIMYM.
1) Rhaenys killing the smallfolk by bursting out from beneath on Melys might simply be a plot hole. Like many times in Seasons 7&8 of Game of Thrones, they'd have someone act out of character for a cool visual. It's not too harsh to judge that HotD's showmakers are guilty of similar writing errors. People have also pointed out how Ser Criston Cole seems immune to the consequences of his actions, similar to Arya Stark's plot armor as the show went on.
2) Sex being a cornerstone of how politics shaped countries was far from exclusive to Medieval Europe. Eastern Roman Byzantine politics had people using sex to climb the ladder that is Chaos. The only official female emperor of China started out as a courtesan to the emperor (though who seems to have been a better ruler than her contemporaries gave her credit for)
Or the fact so many smallfolk were killed will comeback in the future. So quick to be negative.
I think people are just overly critical of a show about dragons
@@harate Strong possibility.
I think it will lead up to something. The Shepherd. Also show that all these blue bloods might act holy but none of them gives a fuck about peasants
@@harate thats only because the show tries to take itself seriously.
When Alicent told otto about viserys, you could see the tears in his eyes for a moment. Id like to think that after all that time, otto had some kind of friendship with viserys, besides all of his plotting, deep down he had a soft spot for him.
i love listening to these during my workday on Monday!
for the record, a morning star can be either a flail or a mace. It just needs to be a ball with spikes. There are flails that are morning stars, there are flails that are not morning stars. There are maces that are morning stars, there are maces that are not morning stars.
Larys clearly misinterpreted a greendream thinking it said "The feet beneath the broad"
That bloody clubfoot scene is gonna be the bane of my life for the next few years, i was born with a clubfoot and I'm already getting teased by mates about his character and now they go and pull this haha
Look buddy I have relatively normal feet and I love suckin on girls toes ok it’s not weird just own that shit my guy
Lol 😆
Oh nooo, good luck dude
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It's very obvious that you do a good job leading us in the right direction at times while still leaving plenty of room for imagination. Thank you for the breakdown from someone who has never heard the story!
Daeron II didn’t have dark hair his parents are both full blooded Targaryens. He married a Martell and his heir had dark hair which caused problems
I presume Howland Reed is under Aemond's eyepatch, since we've looked everywhere else
Love how they made the atmosphere of the whole transition of regimes so horror like, the whole sequence where erryk/arryk is escorting rhaenys out of the city shows it perfectly, and we know about the illegal kidfightclubs but not really the extent of what aegon was doing there, and where that bastard came from? Does he deliver his bastards to them ? Some shady shit to come for sure
The whole sequence of the commonfolk corraled through the streets gave me shivers. To go from a seemingly peaceful city to brutal oppression in just a moment
Dude I was so on edge of what they'd find and then thought about how aegon probably treats his kid like a pokemon and wants him to fight in the pits or smthn
I dont care that she didn't burn everyone. But it just seems wild that it is argued she has a moral highground when she like just slaughtered 100's of peasants just to fly away. Like it is just evil what she did, she could have left from another exit if she wasn't actually trying to kill everyone
Imo us neurodivergent folks usually do have random specific talents that can be useful from time to time. It’s part of the evolutionary psychology theory to explain things like authism or adhd. For example, if you have an obsessive compulsive disorder that makes you great at classifying thins, you could be usefull to the tribe by keeping accounts of what roots and fruits are good to eat and what is poisonous.
So even tho it may be a trope with Haelena, I still appreciate the rep
I quite like Helaena and relate to her in the way that she’s the quiet, weird girl who likes weird things and others don’t really understand. She doesn’t really want to be a part of this mess, she just wants to hang out with her bugs and do her goth cross-stitching.
That’s some interesting stuff about the evolutionary purpose of neurodivergence. My boyfriend has OCD and I’ve been talking to him about the more positive aspects of it lately. This makes a lot of sense to me.
"Every woman is a mother to be spoken of with reverence." Criston Cole
Also Criston Cole: "This Rheanyra-girl, what a c**t."
Either he low-key turned into a medieval feminist throughout the last episodes or his toxic self-pity would even have left Qyburn with no chance for reanimation.
People occasionally do or say things they know are bad. Roughly five seconds after he said that about Rhaenyra he apologized and said saying it was "beneath him" to do so.
@Immortal Science of Hauntology Thats totally true. Its just from the standpoint of CC who often seems to cling to virtue systems to appear knightly rather than have real convictions to guide his actions. So I rather meant that in this scene he tries again to uphold a certain self image - fitting very much to the religious value system of his Queen through which she also tries to empower herself. But these ideals do not fit his actions, they conflict with Rhaenyras idea of empowerment and they definitely do not represent any kind of modern idea of feminism :)