For over 300 years spaniards were fear swords masters until today their skills and technics were the founders of modern esgrima. Only the gun stop the Spanish hegemony in the swords mastery. There were also enocunter with Japanes samurais that were impress and defeat by the spaniard in the filipines islands.
Sparhez they were pirates and in many cases they were ronin, but of couree they weren't japanese armies. Why woule they fight the spaniards? They even had an embassy near Sevilla. The spaniards whose surname is Japón (japan in spanish) are descendants of the samurais of this embassy who mixed with spanish women.
@@enovos3138 then he's still wrong. Most of the figt was with swords and pikes. Sure, they used arquebuses, butbthey needed a formation to keep the enemy at bay. It took a long time to recharge bullets and they weren't very accurate. Also, the fight on land was melee.
El arte de “la destreza” el arma letal de los viejos tercios españoles!!!! Un orgullo ser español y haber podido estudiar mi pasado y saber que ese arte maravilloso se utilizo por mis antepasados. Orgulloso de ser español, madrileño y de chamberi... gracias dios por ese regalo
Apréndelo también, solo cuesta unos pocos años de dedicación y una vez puedas usar el montante ya es algo impresionante que enseñar a tus hijos para que conozcan su historia
***** Sorry about that again. Like I said my spanish sucks, I was just trying to practice. What I meant to say was how does the Spanish school of rapier fencing differ from other European styles like French or Italian.
Spanish fencing differs from Italian and French fencing in many things, but I think that the main difference is the footwork and the stance, which is more upright, and it doesn't encourage lounges.
@@nikvett "Ropera" has two cutting edges, and refers to a family of swords, used by the armies. "Estoque" can have cutting edges or can be either a long spike, and refers to a subfamily of swords that are almost civil weapons, used to kill the bull in "toros", also the sword for the "Descabello" is a "estoque". If you look earlier in the history, the spanish term "estoque" is used to refer any long sword.
We only have one complete treatise of vulgar esgrima. There are multiple of verdadera destreza. Carranza, Several from Pacheco, Rada, Viedma to name a few.
@@Jonobos please tell me more where find these books i cant find they complete, for exaple pachecos book dont have the deployable page that shows you a great representation of circle ans arm angles
@@yuribezmenovthegreat4705 Wiktenhauer, and you can search the actual titles in Google, like "Nobleza de La Espada" by Francisco Lorenz de Rada (there are also some free to read English translations of many of them out there (and even more for sale), if you can't read Spanish/old Portuguese (they are pretty similar in the 16th and 17th centuries). TBH, Rada's work is probably the most in-depth, complete work in La Destreza Verdadera tradition (and has quite a few illustrations), and as one of the last major ones, is a capstone, of sorts, for the science. La Escrima Comun, or La Destreza Vulgar really is limited to snippets by others referencing it, or in the 1599 work by Domingo Luis Godinho (it's in old Portuguese) on it. Once you understand the philosophy behind La Destreza, the way you practice it just sort of comes naturally. That's why there tends to be less "plays" in most of the books on it, than makes up the majority of other tradition's manuals (aka: if he does this, you do that, if you do this, he may do that, ect). What plays/exercises that are there are really only there for illustration purposes to help make the concept easier to understand. 1. Defend yourself at all times (you have an obligation to god, yourself, and your people (family, friends, community) to preserve your life by any means necessary) (the survival and wellbeing of your opponent, while important, is a very distant second) 2. Stand in a natural, relatively upright, posture; and avoid any position that limits you to only one or two actions. 3. We only really strike the opponent in order to prevent them from attacking us, it's not because we're out to kill the other guy, necessarily. Ideally, both parties go home unscathed, or one person goes home unscathed and the other dies/is maimed and unable to continue (no double kills). 4.ONLY enter the "danger zone" to strike if you have secured a relatively sure way in AND out of danger (the Atajo) 5. Manipulate time through the angles created by footwork (combining traversing, passing, advancing/retreating steps, and the cadence of your steps) and bladework (make it so the opponent has to take more time to come around to being able to defend himself or attack you than you need to attack him and retreat safely) (the Atajo). 6. If the opponent displaces your sword, use footwork and cuts to get back behind your sword, putting it between the opposing blade and yourself. That's pretty much it. As long as you allow those principles to direct your actions, it's pretty likely you're practicing La Destreza. It's a sound and simple system, to the point where even the anti-rapierist, George Silver ("Paradoxes of Defense", 1599), could only really detract from it with regard to the length of the swords (and the issues resulting from that) commonly in use by practitioners of La Destreza in his time
"Verdadera Destreza" es el nombre del deporte, así como nosotros llamamos al football o soccer al deporte inglés sabiendo que se traduciría "balón-pié". Espero que mi respuesta te haya sido útil.
Mr Pacheco dedicated one chapter to the good form to be stand and guard, the espace between the feeds and correct movements of this.. and excuse me but I can't see nothing of Pacheco wrote..
Agreed, Spanish fencing should be constantly stable and fully upright where as these guys were breaking the posture about once every five seconds because they freak out and don't know how to execute a proper desvío. Also, they should NOT be trying to "control the center line" as the commentator claims at 6:08 if either of these people are supposed to be a Spanish Diestro not a Chinese Shifu. Controlling the center line is a Wing Chun concept that has nothing to do with Western fencing, especially not a system like Destreza which, as the commentators also point out, is all about circular movement and therefore avoiding linear attacks!
It's the Spanish style of fencing that dominated Europe for decades. It was not wise fighting an Italian, French, Portuguese or especially Spanish fencer.
Recommend to skip to 5:11
Thx m8
@@enovos3138 thank you
You're a hero
Português ou brasileiro?
For over 300 years spaniards were fear swords masters
until today their skills and technics were the founders of modern esgrima.
Only the gun stop the Spanish hegemony in the swords mastery.
There were also enocunter with Japanes samurais that were impress and defeat by the spaniard in the filipines islands.
Search Cagayan Battles.
In Cagayan were no japanese army but wako rayders maybe with some ronin, and arquebuses did most of fights. But surf they kick their ass off.
Sparhez they were pirates and in many cases they were ronin, but of couree they weren't japanese armies. Why woule they fight the spaniards? They even had an embassy near Sevilla. The spaniards whose surname is Japón (japan in spanish) are descendants of the samurais of this embassy who mixed with spanish women.
@@bypyros1933 he's probably just referring to their numbers mate
@@enovos3138 then he's still wrong. Most of the figt was with swords and pikes. Sure, they used arquebuses, butbthey needed a formation to keep the enemy at bay. It took a long time to recharge bullets and they weren't very accurate. Also, the fight on land was melee.
El arte de “la destreza” el arma letal de los viejos tercios españoles!!!! Un orgullo ser español y haber podido estudiar mi pasado y saber que ese arte maravilloso se utilizo por mis antepasados. Orgulloso de ser español, madrileño y de chamberi... gracias dios por ese regalo
Apréndelo también, solo cuesta unos pocos años de dedicación y una vez puedas usar el montante ya es algo impresionante que enseñar a tus hijos para que conozcan su historia
The only beautiful non-suicidal fencing you'll see in Swordfish lol.
pretty much yeah
still suicidal lol
Beautiful and lively display! wish I could study Destreza in Spain!
¿Cómo hacen destreza diferir de otras esgrimas? Particulamente, los sistemas usado en Italia y Francia.
***** Perdón. Me español es mal. :b
¿Tú hables íngles?
***** Sorry about that again. Like I said my spanish sucks, I was just trying to practice. What I meant to say was how does the Spanish school of rapier fencing differ from other European styles like French or Italian.
Spanish fencing differs from Italian and French fencing in many things, but I think that the main difference is the footwork and the stance, which is more upright, and it doesn't encourage lounges.
But I don't practice any of those martial arts, so I may be completely wrong
Congratulation for this video from Weapons Hall in Spain.
Rapier, the translation of "Espada Ropera"
I think it's better ''Estoque''.
I think rapier its "esgrima" one sword with Espada Ropera
@@OstherPvP It's confusing, 'estoque' and 'espada ropera' are the same, maybe
@@OstherPvP Nunca pense que te veria por aqui! El mundo es un pañuelo.
@@nikvett "Ropera" has two cutting edges, and refers to a family of swords, used by the armies.
"Estoque" can have cutting edges or can be either a long spike, and refers to a subfamily of swords that are almost civil weapons, used to kill the bull in "toros", also the sword for the "Descabello" is a "estoque".
If you look earlier in the history, the spanish term "estoque" is used to refer any long sword.
Saludos desde Suecia..
Buenísimo
Very ❤
Go to 5:10
😊
Eso es en el Colegio San Agustín de Madrid?
No. Fue en Suecia, Swordfish en el año 2015
I thought no manuals of verdadera destreza survived. How was it revived? Did dutch manuals were use?
We only have one complete treatise of vulgar esgrima. There are multiple of verdadera destreza. Carranza, Several from Pacheco, Rada, Viedma to name a few.
@@Jonobos please tell me more where find these books i cant find they complete, for exaple pachecos book dont have the deployable page that shows you a great representation of circle ans arm angles
@@yuribezmenovthegreat4705 I think that's Carranza's, I have both so I'll end up checking sooner or later
@@yuribezmenovthegreat4705 Wiktenhauer, and you can search the actual titles in Google, like "Nobleza de La Espada" by Francisco Lorenz de Rada (there are also some free to read English translations of many of them out there (and even more for sale), if you can't read Spanish/old Portuguese (they are pretty similar in the 16th and 17th centuries). TBH, Rada's work is probably the most in-depth, complete work in La Destreza Verdadera tradition (and has quite a few illustrations), and as one of the last major ones, is a capstone, of sorts, for the science. La Escrima Comun, or La Destreza Vulgar really is limited to snippets by others referencing it, or in the 1599 work by Domingo Luis Godinho (it's in old Portuguese) on it.
Once you understand the philosophy behind La Destreza, the way you practice it just sort of comes naturally. That's why there tends to be less "plays" in most of the books on it, than makes up the majority of other tradition's manuals (aka: if he does this, you do that, if you do this, he may do that, ect). What plays/exercises that are there are really only there for illustration purposes to help make the concept easier to understand.
1. Defend yourself at all times (you have an obligation to god, yourself, and your people (family, friends, community) to preserve your life by any means necessary) (the survival and wellbeing of your opponent, while important, is a very distant second)
2. Stand in a natural, relatively upright, posture; and avoid any position that limits you to only one or two actions.
3. We only really strike the opponent in order to prevent them from attacking us, it's not because we're out to kill the other guy, necessarily. Ideally, both parties go home unscathed, or one person goes home unscathed and the other dies/is maimed and unable to continue (no double kills).
4.ONLY enter the "danger zone" to strike if you have secured a relatively sure way in AND out of danger (the Atajo)
5. Manipulate time through the angles created by footwork (combining traversing, passing, advancing/retreating steps, and the cadence of your steps) and bladework (make it so the opponent has to take more time to come around to being able to defend himself or attack you than you need to attack him and retreat safely) (the Atajo).
6. If the opponent displaces your sword, use footwork and cuts to get back behind your sword, putting it between the opposing blade and yourself.
That's pretty much it. As long as you allow those principles to direct your actions, it's pretty likely you're practicing La Destreza. It's a sound and simple system, to the point where even the anti-rapierist, George Silver ("Paradoxes of Defense", 1599), could only really detract from it with regard to the length of the swords (and the issues resulting from that) commonly in use by practitioners of La Destreza in his time
is this a new warframe texture pack
skallagrim?
Me too
Donde puedo aprender verdadera destreza?
Hay varios libron que puedes comprar que hablan sobre la filosofia y la práctica de la verdadera Destreza
@Marcos Alonso ok muchas gracias
asociación española de esgrima antigua. hay escuelas en varias ciudades
En Castelleno.
Si es Destreza, ¿porque tengo que escuchar esto en inglés?
"Verdadera Destreza" es el nombre del deporte, así como nosotros llamamos al football o soccer al deporte inglés sabiendo que se traduciría "balón-pié". Espero que mi respuesta te haya sido útil.
porque es ver un arte explicado por un extranjero de habla inglesa..
Karate explicado solo en japones entonces?
@@arasolisfolkcelta8929 el idioma es lo de menos si sabe los conceptos, estoy con tu punto de vista!
Palurdo
Mr Pacheco dedicated one chapter to the good form to be stand and guard, the espace between the feeds and correct movements of this.. and excuse me but I can't see nothing of Pacheco wrote..
Agreed, Spanish fencing should be constantly stable and fully upright where as these guys were breaking the posture about once every five seconds because they freak out and don't know how to execute a proper desvío. Also, they should NOT be trying to "control the center line" as the commentator claims at 6:08 if either of these people are supposed to be a Spanish Diestro not a Chinese Shifu. Controlling the center line is a Wing Chun concept that has nothing to do with Western fencing, especially not a system like Destreza which, as the commentators also point out, is all about circular movement and therefore avoiding linear attacks!
You two should try studying the treatises instead of repeating second hand knowledge.
@@Jonobos I have the treatises, now what?
не понимаю в чем прикол,это же просто дуйлянь по европейски
It's the Spanish style of fencing that dominated Europe for decades. It was not wise fighting an Italian, French, Portuguese or especially Spanish fencer.
Не знаю, мне дестреза импонирует больше всего среди школ фехтования