Can Kids Be Safe on the SCP Wiki?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Probably not, but there are things we can do to make it safer, I think.
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To demand that everything not child-appropriate be banned from the site would essentially kill the site. Everyone would go somewhere else, and they'd be right to do so. Not all art has to be for everyone.
If all art is made to appeal to everyone i think art will suffer. I agree on that take
@abcdefghijk123456100 I'm a bit late to this already dead conversation, but if art was meant to appeal to everyone, art wouldn't exist, because it is literally impossible.
Breaking Bad, one of the most successful and popular shows cannot appeal to everyone because of the plot and graphics
videos games like Minecraft and Tetris are so recognized yet they don't appeal to everyone especially older people.
Harry Potter is a great series depending on who you ask, and as I said just a sentence ago, it cannot appeal to everyone who doesn't like reading or just isn't interested.
We should keep any type of stuff as it is unless it is directly being made for a certain audience but broke those regulations (for example, if a popular kids show like spongebob would have extremely graphic scenes, like horror movie type of scenes, it wouldn't pass the final release or would receive massive backlash).
Well it’s 18+ for a reason innit? It’s not on the writer to pander or conform to the "audience"/those who will read it. This feels like the argument people use for banning books. Why should we be these random peoples parents?
Yes, it's "18+ for a reason", but that's just to join the site. As mentioned, anyone is allowed to access and read the entries/tales/other miscellaneous items available on the SCP wiki. Likewise, the SCP fandom online (and let's not kid ourselves here) is primarily, well, children. Nothing exists in a vaccum. You can say a site is 18+ all you want, that doesn’t mean children are just gonna disappear from it's fanbase altogether, most likely the opposite. It's not a matter of "being random peoples' parents" (the people in question being CHILDREN, who are unfortunately naturally vulnerable and susceptible to harm online, mind you), rather it is how to act responsible in a space, that whether you like it or not, will be dominated by kids. Hope this helps.
If you listened all the way to the end he does address that. Point is that there's no verification--i got into some genuinely disturbingly message boards--luckily only as a fly on the wall--when i was just hitting that age and while im sure the content and locations have changed, the fact that tweenagers especially will seek that out if given even half an opportunity is a universal truth. So, to both make this community which is supposed to center around the anomalies less likely to attract adults who will try to abuse it, and also to prevent just normalizing online promiscuity before some of our younger readers have fully grokked the meaning of consent or the risks associated with it, we should voluntarily try to avoid overly X rated content. And that includes even when your story is behind an age-wall! Those walls are also good for the more extremely disturbing non-sexual articles, and its a catch 22 about labeled them with trigger warnings because then that also just becomes another indexed search term... so to prevent our community from being associated with the type of monster that preys on kids just trying to explore their creativity with harmless stories, we as adults should probably just refrain from being an example that those things are acceptable in our community except under strict circumstances. Like, are there places for love stories and passion? Sure, but there are also so many ways to rewrite them to be less explicit without reducing the impact to the story.
In a perfect world this would work. However, teenagers simply do not give a shit, while also being much more emotionally vulnerable than they think. If kids could be trusted to look out for themselves, then this wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
@@chrstfer2452so because people break the rules the site should change rather than the rule breakers? By that logic ownership should be outlawed to decrease the theft rates.
Here's an idea: Children shouldn't be allowed to talk to strangers online unless it's a site specifically for children with real people monitoring interactions.
Edit: Just going to add that next to nothing on the site is suitable for an audience which isn't mature enough to hear about a BJ. The issue of kids being unsafe online will just be used to further censor the internet, and not just in regard to sexual content. We've seen the same thing happen time and time again throughout history. Just look at radio or television. "Won't someone think of the children." Make parents do their job of actually parenting their children, and if you see someone violating site rules, report them for it! By all means report underage users, because it could endanger the site if someone finds out a 10 year old has been reading stories about ritual human sacrifice on your website and you knew about it.
Edit 2 because I'm getting mad rn: If someone is insistant that they be able to interact with a child on an 18+ website, maybe the problem isn't with the content of the site but the creeps who want to talk to children.
All very valid and fair points. I've been on writing sites that have dedicated teams of volunteers who their job is to strictly go through people's posts and tag anyone they think might be under age and make sure they know they're not supposed to be looking at this stuff. And there will be people who cheat the system, but that shouldn't be a reason to not try to have a system in place to make sure kids aren't being exposed to things beyond what they should be looking at. I'm a nsfw creator, and I tell my readers up front, if you're not 18, please turn around and be safe.
@@bekenotsalony2905 Sure, agreed. What really gets me is that in this video he seemed to suggest that "adult content" shouldn't be on the site at all, even behind a warning. Which is just bizarre to me, because the whole site is adult content. It's just not adult sexual content. Giving in to this kind of thinking also exposes us to further censorship. All we have to do is what you just described. It's parent's responsibility to make sure their children aren't going on a certain "hub," just like it's responsible parenting to make sure a child doesn't go on the SCP wiki if they aren't mature enough to handle it. On the wiki's end, there's already a rule in place, and it should be enforced. Which should be incredibly obvious to anyone who doesn't have some weird motivation to talk to kids online.
Edit: It's really ironic most parents won't let their children talk to strangers in their own community (which can be a bit of an overreaction), yet they will let their kids talk to strangers unsupervised online. It's especially ironic considering how harmful social alienation and lack of real life community can be, and how it drives people into more online interaction. Basically, they're giving their kids anxiety problems "for their safety," while driving them into unsupervised interaction with adults online, and somehow adult-only online spaces are the problem. 🤦♂️
@@asahearts1 yep. I mean, people have moved into this weird head space lately of violence, gore, all those R rated topics... that's fine... we're just really angry about anything that has an "adult" look at sex and sexuality.
I mean... the book bans, are banning anything that remotely touches on the idea that more than straight people exist on this planet. They're fine with their kids wearing stuff that proclaims boys as heart breakers or girls as man eaters ect, and much worse on both... but being age appropriate to go, and sometimes people have two daddies or two mommies... that's offensive?!
-SHRUGS-
But I hear you. I actually complained about that inherent bias recently on a new site, they kept going... well you know this bank is shady they fund porn. I'm sorry... the oldest profession on the planet is automatically morally wrong? Yeah, no.
I mean there are weird people I've come across in my profession. Who want to experience some weird stuff even by my standards. And in nearly 20 years of doing this, I can honestly say there's only been 2 times I've went, leave, leave me and my space NOW, I'm going to call the cops, I just want to be able to do that while not screaming and hitting you with a broom.
But the majority of my clients are adult people wanting to read about adult people having complete adult lives.
But again to the heart of it, I've had ideas for tales and things for scp before, have a notebook full of them, but I write with adult content in there, so sometimes it's more than hand holding and flirty looks and a lot more graphic. But I like plot with the smutty stuff. -shrugs- and apparently my clients/readers do too.
That's why I'm age gating my stuff as best I can where I can. And if that means not posting it on the wiki but publishing it through patreon so people can pay through a 2fa to prove their of age to read/buy the books, so be it.
I grew up getting to high school right as they had a "moral panic" and closed down the comprehensive sex ed course. In stead we got a 90 minute talk about how we should shower more, not touch anyone until marriage, and how bad birth control was. And the next year across 6-7 grades there were almost 30 pregnances.
I wish we had a clear cut fully 100% functional option. Right now we have stop gap measures that are being attacked by people who want to play moral politics with people's freedoms and knowledge. And that's not helping anyone.
And yeah, I hear you about the online strangers. That was one of my gripes about COSA... I lived in a situation that if my parents had known who I was talking to between the ages of 14-18, I'd likely have been murdered because I was expressing views outside their religious tolerances. And given some of the statements made to me over the years, I have no doubt they'd have killed me or made me live on the street if I had been outed to them.
People need communities, and sometimes that's having qualified and vetted people who know what they're talking about advising them in age gated limits. But these blanket "parents always have the best interest at heart" is insane to me. Especially when you look at the number of homeless / run away kids who are members of the LGBTQIA+ community and then compare that to the fact that once they're homeless half will be solicited for sex in the first 24 hrs of being homeless... it's insane to me to ignore that and just go yeah that's a healthy way to protect kids.
But stuff like that, and the moral purity tests going on is why when I'm with a client, the first hour is usually telling them, you're not a freak for wanting xyz. But in 20 years only coming across 2 people that I've had to tell them that yes, yes what they want does make them wrong and they need to seek professional help to deal with that. I'd say that's decent odds, but it's also why I screen my clients.
But as a society we've spent the last hundred years or so systematically saying everything that isn't straight, white, vanilla, missonary, christian, married, and kept in close doors and never spoken about is inherantly wrong. So, I get why a LOT of people have a down their nose look at the adult entertainment industry. I mean they still use our services, but they also look down their noses at us for existing or wanting to get paid for the services they need / use. -shrugs-
But yeah, there has to be some sort of better way of handling it. I'm just not sure what it is with out age gating and 2fa systems in place as well as a group that actively looks for minor users to enforce the raw.
I'm so tired of not having adult spaces online that not porn themed. You need to delete soooo many articles from the wiki if you want to make it kids friendly. It's better to make discretions more visible, from the start, for WHOLE wiki, so parents could see it from the start too. "But articles like SCP 999 are kids friendly" you know that kids come here not for wholesome content, you know it perfectly well. Visible warnings everywhere where needed, proper tags at the start of article, not the end of it.
SCP RUclipsrs also should be responsible and age restrict their readings of adult violent content, btw. A lot of children interact with SCP through RUclips so this discussion is useless if creators on other platforms wouldn't do anything.
Also to question about kids talking with groomers: I'm an adult and I don't want to talk with groomers too 👁️👄👁️ Kill this behaviour with fire
Personally I'm not one for censorship, but if we're looking at things holistically, the SCP Foundation should not be available to children. It all comes down to the eternal debate of sex vs violence. Here in the U.S., violence is glorified and sexuality is villified, while overseas that often seems to be inverted. There are fun and quirky SCPs that simply explore a unique object or an anomalous location, but many more SCPs that involve some level of body horror, violence, mutilation, and infohazards that would cause horrible nightmares to an imaginative young mind, which ought to be considered as adult content far more so than sexual content. When you start talking about a Unified Morality, about all peoples being comfortable with what children are able to access, the SCP Foundation would be entirely restricted.
Mature kids can decide what they can and can’t handle, and usually will pretend to be adults online.
The problem comes with immature usually 11-15 year olds.
"'Mature' kids", is an oxymoron. Anyone whose a child is physically incapable of being mature.
@@rinkyrosey9689 not true at all there are plenty of kids, a.k.a. anything under 18 that have had to grow up faster than others, or have grown up faster than others on their own, both physically and mentally
Content warning on 18+ articles is enough. Like why are we acting like kids don't read fanfic and smut or watch porn and seek out adult content, thats like quintessential teen behavior. As long as they know something is adult content that's enough. I don't think making the wiki clean and sanitized does anything but make it more boring tbh.
As far as adults preying on and grooming kids I see that as a completely separate issue. Thats a big problem and as long as unverified dms and power dynamics exist those will still be present in some way. The community should do their best to be vigilant and keep kids safe from sex pests.
@@chiga3388...why did you comment on your comment instead of editing?
I was around... 14 I think when I first got into SCP. So 11 years ago. The only restrictions to be found was the way you registered in order to filter out people who don't read. As far as I remember, there weren't very many SCPs with 18+ subject matter. That's definitely changed. Only one that explicitely referenced it that I remember from back then was SCP-1004 (which is funny considering it's pretty close to actually existing now) and after going back to look at the article, there is a content warning. That in my opinion should be enough. It's up to parents to control what their children access on the internet, not up to the rest of us to sanitize everything just in case an unsupervised kid might happen upon something. The content warning is good for liability, and that's really all our responsibility should be.
Agreed
Here is an excerpt for SCP-401:
"During spring, SCP-401 will go into bloom. Though it is genetically a human male, it will grow female sexual organs. The vaginal openings are located on the palms of its hands, with canals extending 18 cm along each wrist to a bulge which contains a fully formed uterus and ovaries. Five days after the formation of the organs, menstruation occurs, at which point male sexual organs begin to develop in their place over a period of ten days. Once fully formed, they will remain for one day before they are shed and eaten by the roots. During this phase, SCP-401 will attack human females for the purpose of reproduction.
Experiment Log 401-1:
The fact that SCP-401 is genetically human, combined with the violence exhibited against women during its male phase, suggests that it may be compatible with human beings. A number of breeding experiments have been proposed to test this.
Date: ██-██-████
Subject: Female D-class personnel D-2055
Procedure: D-2055 was artificially inseminated with material produced by SCP-401 during male phase. The product of this was allowed to gestate.
Details: Nine months after conception, D-2055 gave birth to a normal human male infant. Though healthy and lacking in any unusual physiology, the child has been found to suffer from severe myopia, comparable to what was estimated with the eyes of SCP-401. The child has since been adopted by Agent R████ F███████ who has agreed to bring R████ Jr. to a Foundation-approved doctor for monthly physical examinations."
this is actually a huge issue on most fanfic sites as well, namely ao3. theres huge tags, u have to consent to the 18+ stuff if u want to read it, but kids will anyways. i actually disagree w u. i dont think that adults have to change their behaviour to acommodate children. as long as the tags are specific (just saying 18+ to a story w SA isnt enough) a child will decide themselves if its too much. i read fanfic as a 12 year old, and i did disregard the warning and tbh, i dont blame any of the writers for that. also, thats just another way for children to find out new things about the world. maybe theyll find out about sex through fanfic, maybe through the scp wiki, and if not from that, defo from scoolground friends. its just what happens
edit: for context, ive never read any other sex fic on the wiki except scp-6969, and skipped one that had huge SA warnings over, so idk how heavy it gets
Honestly, it depends on your viewpoint. Historically, children's tales from the brothers' grim and other folktales are quite brutal. I have some nephews who are all below the age of 12 who consume SCP content. I've told their mother to monitor their content.
On the ability for children/adolescents under the age of 18 it's best that no one should be able to contact or interact with them. Any forums, discords, chat sites or the like should have real world verification before even being able to login with chats being moderated for prosperity.
Exactly!
German and Russian bedtime stories be like:
The brothers Grimm are from a time where people weren't sensitive.
I’ve seen this question many times before and I’ll always say my opinion on this: I think it’s always important to monitor your kids if you want them or if they want to be interested in something that they’d enjoy. I think with most of the content on the wiki, yes it should be restricted to 18+. If your kid has an interest in SCP, then I’d recommend to start off with the safe, friendly, and wholesome ones like SCP-999 (Tickle Monster of course) SCP-131, SCP-5031 (Chef Monster), SCP-1762, SCP-2295, SCP-3092, also SCP-529
Nah, SCP-401 is perfectly fine, folks!
(This is sarcasm. I wouldn't let my nephew read that, but I wouldn't try to get it taken off the site. SCP wiki has never been child-friendly)
"During spring, SCP-401 will go into bloom. Though it is genetically a human male, it will grow female sexual organs. The vaginal openings are located on the palms of its hands, with canals extending 18 cm along each wrist to a bulge which contains a fully formed uterus and ovaries. Five days after the formation of the organs, menstruation occurs, at which point male sexual organs begin to develop in their place over a period of ten days. Once fully formed, they will remain for one day before they are shed and eaten by the roots. During this phase, SCP-401 will attack human females for the purpose of reproduction.
Experiment Log 401-1:
The fact that SCP-401 is genetically human, combined with the violence exhibited against women during its male phase, suggests that it may be compatible with human beings. A number of breeding experiments have been proposed to test this.
Date: ██-██-████
Subject: Female D-class personnel D-2055
Procedure: D-2055 was artificially inseminated with material produced by SCP-401 during male phase. The product of this was allowed to gestate.
Details: Nine months after conception, D-2055 gave birth to a normal human male infant. Though healthy and lacking in any unusual physiology, the child has been found to suffer from severe myopia, comparable to what was estimated with the eyes of SCP-401. The child has since been adopted by Agent R████ F███████ who has agreed to bring R████ Jr. to a Foundation-approved doctor for monthly physical examinations."
Just because kids come to the wiki doesn't mean we have to accomodate them.
I can pretty much GUARANTEE that in the 1950's that If I, my friends, and my male cuoisins were between 9 and 17 we would eat this stuff up
I want to say specifically that in situations related to these sort of things, education is usually the best solution.
A younger person is much less likely to be a victim of this sort of abuse when they are actually allowed to be informed on what to look out for, and know who to turn to when things go bad.
Grooming tends to happen the most in communities that shun education related to 18+ materials.
I speak from experience that had I been educated on these things prior to encountering them in the wild, I wouldnt have fallen victim to bad actors.
On a website such as the SCP Wiki, I dont believe anything should be prevented from publication outside of legality and quality. but it's also on those that consume the works to self exempt themselves from consuming stuff they shbouldn't.
However, thats a broader societal issue of not letting younger people have agency and education, so perhaps keeping 18+ content off the site will prevent these sort of things in future.
As someone who was groomed in an environment that was entirely kid friendly though? i entirely doubt it.
Kid's and Teens are always gonna want to consume stuff relegated to adults, making these things harder to find will only serve to guide these people to even seedier corners of the internet.
Is scp for children? I would wager its not. At that point the responsibility to protect minors is mostly on the parents. If staff know a user is a minor maybe just ban them?
Eh, kind of hard to draw a line. My solution would be to put an 18+ or logged in users only page on particular articles, but people would argue on what would have to be gated.
Imagine asking if children are safe online, that's pretty much what you are asking.
And not every place should be made to accommodate those who don't belong. We do not let children adult bookstores for a reason.
Kids should be banned from the internet, not adult content banned from adult places. You got it wrong this time, Dr. Cimmerian.
Considering the internet is the most powerful communication tool humanity currently has, it would be kinda silly to just ban kids from it. Especially as the real problem as said isn't down to the kids themselves, or how they behave, but how grown adults behave. Kids also have human rights, and so we go into the domain of asking if getting to freely and fairly use the internet (a very potent communication tool) falls into the category of being a human right? Which to my understanding the ruling is yes, it does.
I always remember an interview with the head moderator of a busy website in Finland when this topic comes up. She said kids are very easy, and if given a warning/penalty with an explanation of why it happened, they will more than likely learn from it and not cause further problems. Adults on the other hand are the real pains, who will argue, scream, threaten, yell, and in general throw a hissyfit tantrum if given even a moderate penalty for truly outrageous behavior.
@@videocrowsnest5251 When I say “ban children from the internet”, I meant the parents of said kids doing that.
I've heard lots of really old, uncategorized fanfiction websites back in the day used to have their smut/other miscellaneous adult content locked behind a password that only verified members could access. I think the SCP Wiki could benefit well if it implemented something of a similar ilk. However it's important to note that our only frame of reference for this working is because it was mostly on really small scales, mostly because the most traction these sites would see were probably upwards of around 1k-10k clicks. I'm not sure how mangable it would be on a website that exists not only just on the internet day, as opposed to two decades ago, but with the large amount of traffick the SCP Wiki sees everyday.
I still have my hopes, and I completely agree that we as a community need to do better in protecting children from harms' way. Protection that extends further then just condemning it when it inevitably happened. It's an awful truth, but I do think as the website exists now, combined with the very laid-back position people hold on taking a stance against it, that children being made victims in anyway in this fandom is an inevitability. There is so much more we could be doing, I don't understand how people can't see this.
Idk man, why are kids even engaging with horror franchises? Why are companies encouraging it. I get teens doing it. I think all that should be done is put an 18+ warning on potentionally unsafe articles.
Well, kids have always liked things like fnaf
Nah I read Scarlet King as 13 and it was awesome
As someone who was on the wiki as a 12-13 year old:
I was introduced by another friend who included 914 in a D&D campaign, got interested, then read When Day Breaks and absolutely could not go on the wiki anymore. A lot of things definitely flew over my head, but I did notice things.
I didn't find the forums part until recently when I "rediscovered" SCP as a high school student and wanted to learn more. Also, I didn't make the cutoff for wiki perms and wasn't 15 when it was implemented. I considered lying about my age, but didn't. And I haven't really seen anything weird but I don't really look at the forums - I'm here to read things.
There is definitely some more adult content on the website, but what would really be lost for a younger audience if adult content was removed? A number of tales, particularly in lolfoundation, and a handful of SCPs. A fair sacrifice from my point of view.
And yes 18+ definitely does not block anything at all - I will admit that I lied for a couple tales and clicked that I was 18+.
Ramen is more safe for kids, when not lava hot.
I'm of two minds, yeah adults should be responsble in certain spaces but a lot of people who do make adult content are not inviting minors into those spaces and outright do not want them around which in fact puts adults in a lot of danger.
There should be more child friendly communties online like we had on the internet years ago, a space just for kids that is monitored by responsble staff members but the internet should not be hammered into a child friendly censored slop that would kill all adult interests from art, writing, smut and even sex workers who have a bad enough time as it is with big tech cracking down on everything(What happened on tumblr was a prime example) to add a point this kind of shit is also used to harm queer and LGBTQ creators as their work gets often unfairly lumped in as "Adult content" during these crack downs.
Thing is as adults we deserve to have our own spaces on the internet just as much as younger folk do and I am tired we get thrown under the bus by tech CEOs or communties wanting to make the net a sterile walled garden.
Thinking about the SCP, there is some dark stories on there which includes body horror, fates worse than death, stories that involve genocide level events and stuff that would put you off sleeping for a god damn month, I don't think children should have easy access to that nor should the wiki defang darker works to make the site "More child friendly"
Sometimes minors will try to get into spaces they don't belong in and thats always a struggle with no easy answer beyond moderation and its a debate I don't have the answers for personally.
You don't come to the audience, the audience comes to you; what you choose to express in works of art & writing shouldn't be limited by the views of others unless for monetary purposes. RUclips enforced the guidelines it did for profit and has as a result killed off a lot of what initially made RUclips a unique & recognized site. The SCP wiki isn't a monetary site.
You may as well tell Hollywood to eliminate R-rated movies because they don't reflect the bliss of modern society.
(edit: grammar & clarity)
Could one of the reasons for the high percentile of children be that they have free time most adults simply lack? Writing for the wiki is hardly the most time consuming hoppy one can have. but its up there. Pair that with the "relative" recency of both the advent of the internet aswell as the wiki itsself, its morbidly fascinating in a way.
No. Now quit wondering and go parent your children 😂
I have a two-prong solution; 1. The wiki move to a dedicated website and set it up so that registering requires you to enter your date of birth, acting as a filter. 2. Because some kids will circumvent such filters by lying about their age, staff do everything in their power to encourage parents monitor their kids activity on the wiki.
I think the audience being dominated by children and teenagers is itself a problem, and one that unfortunately can’t be solved. The proposed solution here of shaping the site’s content so that it’s appropriate for children just entrenches the problem, turning the site into something explicitly intended for children or teenagers.
Honestly no. Not for the content, but because so many of the irl founders are groomers and PDF files. Honestly, this happens so much that any man behind the creation of a popular internet phenomenon that kids flock to should probably be investigated.
honestly i take the opposite stance, any and all adult content will be seen by minors. whether a short story on the scp wiki or just straight up porn elsewhere, and while the popularity of scp themed games/gmod servers/roblox games grows and attracts children to the cool new scifi IP, we have to remember that the VAST majority of articles on the wiki arent written explicitly for children. if all the authors are young adults/old teenagers and are posting things that we consider to be inappropriate for children, then maybe we should keep children out of those areas. while it would be draconian to ban children from the site, maybe we should create a adults only section of the wiki (I'm aware of the possible issue of this inviting just pure smut to that section of the site) that requires a censored photo of your drivers license or something to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you are a adult, and thus can view those articles. idk, maybe this is all coming from the fact that the huge influx of children to the fandom has rubbed me the wrong way and i don't want to see the scp universe reduced to shitty mascot horror, but i cant help but think that with a fandom this big,, without a dedicated team like a social media site would have to catch and ban people like this, then we are just going to be stuck here pretending to fix the problem, while children get funneled off site to discord servers by bad actors.
I think we shouldn't let minors create accounts, but not go overboard. if they read inappropriate/vulgar content, that's their choice.I personally read that stuff, and I'm used to it. They'll figure out eventually. I'm 14 and have bad intrusive thoughts though, so maybe my perception is skewed.
@@justanomorifan3059 Preventing minors from creating accounts is like using a bucket of water to put a forest fire, it is near-impossible at this point, a huge portion of the internet and especially popular websites are comprised of children who just put their age as 18 to trick the site into thinking they are eligible into accessing the content, and the SCP Wiki is no exception. A good portion of members on the wiki are most likely below 18 and even 15 (just noting that the site originally allowed 15yr olds to join, it was then raised by the time to 18yr olds).
I think this is something all parents should acknowledge when giving their kids literally UNRESTRICTED access to the internet, but it seems like these people have literally no idea how the internet behaves and think its fully controlled by some magical web government...
I joined the site as a teenager when that was perfectly allowed. I missed the changover to adults only, but it sounds like it was a while ago. Still, as a teenager I contributed articles that are still up to this day. I'm leaving towards your opinion on what's a for system, but the true history is that some amount of relatively or actually early site was built by teenagers.
I'm kinda of the mind SCP-content is not kid friendly to begin with. As one of those boring, cranky adults, I sure know there are some SCP articles that I have to be in the right headspace to handle. To be fair, that thought might come from be actually being able to process the real implications and true horror of what is going on due to being further along in my development.
I'm honestly a bit puzzled with how SCPs have somehow ended up becoming kids content (and I don't just mean teenagers, who naturally seem to be drawn to the forbidden, gruesome, or taboo due to the developmental phase they are at - I mean even younger kids) as time went along, considering how gruesome they are.
People conflate SCP with creepypasta which is kid friendly.
I think we shouldn't let minors create accounts, but not go overboard. if they read inappropriate/vulgar content, that's their choice.I personally read that stuff, and I'm used to it. They'll figure out eventually. I'm 14 and have bad intrusive thoughts though, so maybe my perception is skewed. Can I hear your perspective. I think it would be good for me to hear from an adult like you. (my dad legit doesn't care what I do on the internet)
@@justanomorifan3059 I'll do my best to offer such. First off, it would be very much a good idea to seek a trustworthy adult in your life that you feel comfortable talking to in order to talk about these things and topics. A relative, a friend of the family, a teacher, an adult from any hobby or activity group you may be a part of, or anything of the sort. Will be much more valuable and helpful to you long term than consulting a stranger like me on the internet. Not everyone online has your best interests in mind, and as such, talking to the wrong person about sensitive matters can be bad for you. I'd also advise being cautious about disclosing your age (or other personal information), as again, not everyone online is trustworthy, and such information can be used in very negative ways by bad actors.
With that said, it's a bit of a complicated topic. While, like, I originally said, at that age there is a draw to this kind of forbidden and mature stuff, caution is still good to apply. If the media one is reading, listening to, interacting with or watching is having a negative impact on them, their well-being, or mental health, it's a very good idea to take that as a sign to stop consuming it. And discuss it and any potential symptoms it has caused, made worse, or manifested with said trustworthy adult. Even if it feels like you can handle certain topics, it might not actually be the case.
Intrusive thoughts to me seem like a clear sing it's a good idea to talk to an adult in your life about this stuff and step back from said horror content. In regard to those intrusive thoughts, it's best to talk with an adult about it and together consider should you seek to talk about them to a medical professional. Us humans work in interesting ways, and sometimes even if we feel like we can handle something, we might not in actuality be ok with it.
You are in my opinion right that minors will in time figure out all the things that are deemed too much for them currently. But the years of age makes a big difference. Waiting some years is as such vital. Still being a minor, ergo a child, means developmentally these things are not appropriate. Not to mention the point I brought up about moderating ones own media consumption and staying away from things that cause adverse effects is an unrealistically heavy burden to put on a minor. Which is why it should not be done, as with a developing and still forming, easily influenced and very, very sensitive brain that hasn't so to say turned on all the lights yet as it's a work in progress.
The wrong kind of stuff can really do a world of bad. Even if it is fiction. Like said, even I as a fully grown adult steer clear of some SCP entries because they are just too much for me. But to someone with a developing mind, they can at worse lead to serious and very negative consequences. That can at worse linger for years on end, or work as a slow burn type of effect. Not to mention how becoming desensitized to some things in horror can easily lead to seeking ever darker and more horrifying stuff. Which will quickly get out of hand. Step too deep into the pool too early, and as I said above, it can and will lead to negative things.
I hope I was able to be helpful with my thoughts. Speaking with a trustworthy adult about these matters in the future would likely be much more informative and useful to you. Take care, and hope you have a good rest of today.
@@justanomorifan3059 I'll try, and originally I wrote a longer, far more comprehensive reply yesterday, which seems to have gotten erased by pesky moderator bots. I apologize for the brief tone as such.
You'd get a lot more good out of this kind of conversation by talking with a trustworthy adult in your life, be it family, a relative, friend of the family, an adult from school or a hobby. As the automated moderator bot incident showed, even if I as a stranger on the internet would like to give you as good of an answer as I can, there are circumstances which hinder what little I can do in this kind of position.
If the media you are consuming (in this case SCP related content) is causing negative impacts, worsening your wellbeing, or causing/worsening symptoms, it's good to take that as a sign to step away from it and discuss it with said responsible trustworthy adult I mentioned. It's also a good idea to talk about the intrusive thoughts with said adults, and perhaps if those discussions determine it's a good idea speak to a medical professional about them.
I'd also advise caution against sharing personal information such as your age online, especially in a public space. Not everyone can be trusted, and there are also bad actors afoot. With that in mind, I hope you have a good rest of today and take care!
@@videocrowsnest5251 thank you for the advice :)
I'll talk to some of my teachers and see what they think. Have a good day!
I wish we could just ensure there aren't kids on the site at all. SCP is scifi and horror, and sometimes thats gritty, disturbing, and even horny.
But it's a site for horrors- what kind of horrors are pg-13 ????
Horror sometimes gets weird classifications. The Ring(American version) is considered PG-13 for example.
PG 13 and R aren’t actual restrictions. They are suggestions. Some of the biggest consumers of horror movies which are mostly rated R are teenagers.
If kids can read the warning, they will bypass the warning on their own anyway. Of course, kids won't understand how it could affect them, but the warning is here, notonly for them but their parents as well. Parents or adults should keep track of stuff but, honestly...Saying that one should keep in mind that audience is children while *target* audience is adults is a bit skewed, I believe. Will kids interact with adult media? Duh. But they are not the target audience and honestly, a warning is, I think, a way to be nice and considerate, really. It's an issue in other online spaces as well, which... I dont think we should sanitize internet just because kids are around.
Bro… this is a non issue
respect to those that are truly above 60
I'm 14, and I personally think there shouldn't be accounts for under 18. However, it's the parents and childs choice to read articles they know aren't appropriate. Should people all people 13-17 be banned from reading anything scary, sexual,or violent? No, that's a part of learning about the world. Do people magically become mature at 18?
Let me be honnest. Im 12. And i am patient i will wait Till im 18 to join the site, i wouldnt call myself a writer but i would like to write scp's at some point, HOWEVER, i am writing them already i just dont post it i want somewhere to post them and get the critizisim i nee to improve my writing proccses but i Cant do that anywhere because everyone is a creep. People like bright (user OBCIOSLY) should be ashamed. I call myself lucky because ive Never made a experiance like that but if i put myself out there then Pedos and creeps will find me. Even More if i state my age.
I don't necessarily disagree. Couldn't a similar argument be extended to keeping adult material out of public libraries, though?
The SCP wiki is not a safe place for kids and never was. Kids should not be allowed on the wiki. Would you let your kids post on /x/? no? then you would not let them read stuff on the scp wiki. simple as that. As for AdminBright, its stupid any of that happened. should have kept kids out of the wiki.
Comparing 4chan to scp is very stupid. Very different environments.
@@DavidSwe were do you think it all started from? It was made by /x/ for /x/. We need to bring the Wiki back to the old glory days, free from all this sjw oversensitive snowflake shit.
@@Omega_A3 may have originated from 4chan, but it evolved into something more. I think it’s better that way. For the users on the wiki and SCP. If it stayed as obscure edge lord 4chan stuff it would have never been translated into other forms of media.
@@DavidSwe you say evolved, we say regressed.
Children should not be allowed unrestricted internet access anyway
I was 13 when I registered with the site.
Eats ur mug
Please get a pop filter. It's kinda difficult to get through your videos with all the spittle sounds and mouth smacks.
i was 11 when i started
I think eskobar and countless others banned by AHT proved that the site is definitely not a safe place for children
Also people lie about there age. I did a lot
50/50
Wow. This is one of the most concise and well reasoned arguments of this kind ive heart, and clearly also came from the heart.
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short answer
no
Nah it should be restricted, some scary stuff on there
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I feel like there are two possibilities, either the kids ruin SCP or SCP ruins the kids.
No
Kids generally ruin everything tbh. Everytime I search anything SCP related and get results about roblox or animations targeted for kids I cringe.