I just don't get it . . when I go to the grocery store and pick up my chicken parts I come home and wrap them in regular silver foil and put 'em in the oven they cook just fine . . but when I wrap them in gold foil and cook them they come out all distorted no matter how low I put the knob on the oven . . . it must be that there gold foil you is playing with is over-driving my stove. That there gold foil is tricky stuff. But its finger-pickin' good!
Very nice Joe! I had never heard about rubber magnets, but it's always great to learn something new. I actually have an old Teisco type guitar that needs some restoration, probably 60s or 70s, with gold foil pickups. I'll check how the pickups and volume behave once the wiring is done. ;-) Take care!
This was such a good tutorial. I still want those Strat sized gold foils that Mojo does! You're a fantastic guitarist too, which makes things so entertaining
Thanks for this! I’ve been really into the clean sounds you are getting from the gold foil pickups. I’ve been thinking about them in the neck position and a mini humbucker in the bridge of a t style project guitar. Appreciate the videos. 👍
I have a hybrid humbucking p90 gold foil in the neck position of my LP Special clone just for these “no-volume” tones. A bit off full cut on the tone and the tone is unexplainable with words - ya gotta feel it! Great video! Thank you.
Thanks for that one! I' was going to change the pickups in my Godin 5th avenue GT from HB'ers to Phat Cat p90'es and came across these gold foil thingies and found the sound really interesting. BUT I use the volume control all the time to add or remove break-up in the amp, so these are definitely not for me. 400 bucks saved, thnx mate. :-)
Nice vlogs! I just tried a mojo gold foil (supposedly a true replicla) on a guitar this weekend and it actually did clean up when you rolled down the volume.
Super strange, my Lollar Gold Foils act perfectly with Treble Boosters and Fuzz. Maybe your Gold Foil guitar has a treble bleed circuit in it? That usually messes with the response of my fuzzes.
I don’t remember if I had treble-bleed in that guitar, and that neck and body have been used in several other configurations since I made this, so I can’t check. But a) I usually add treble-bleed to my non-vintage guitars, and b) I’ve never encountered this property on any of them.
strange cause my lollar goldfoils can make my fuzz factory (set like a fuzz face) go from full on fuzz to jimi-hendrix clean with the volume knob. same for an overdriven amp... not sure what pots are in my guitar (american deluxe strat from 2007 i believe).
I have a Fuzz factory and a guitar with normal single coils, and when I back off the volume it also cleans up a lot. Is that the same thing as what this video and comment are talking about?
That's intriguing, Joe. I have a 1960 shortscale Harmony Stratotone Jupiter with 2 goldfoils in it. It's cranky at the best of times but my main issue was that it has an awesome sound when you wind it up (dirty but cuts through beautifully, and great sustain), but it's very tricky to get a tone that's fairly clean - and yes the volume pots mostly have to be at 10. I think you might have the explanation there. Great demo!
Thanks for the FYI! I am thinking of putting a gold foil as a neck pickup on a carved top, P-90, LP Flametop I built or a Jazzmaster/staple style. Not having clean up is a big consideration since I typically run a GE range booster > Fuzz of the day > tuner> amp of the day. Looking to pick up a Duh and/or a Filth very soon.
If you don't have active electronics, buffered output or treble bleed circuits in that guitar, there's something weird going on with the output impedance of those pickups! Did you find the actual explanation?
One small correction: weren't the Japanese PUs based upon the DeArmond gold (and silver) foils? Correct me if I'm wrong... I appreciate the heads up...any suggestions as to a workaround? I'm sincere in asking this...
@@joe_gore There's another one that needs mentioned, but it seems to only be a variant of the 1959 - 1967 / 1968 Kay "Pancake" or "Zippo" pickup; the gold foil one seems to be the same pickup, but without the metal casing on top, and with decorative gold foil there. It's not really a gold foil, it just needs said.
@@joe_gore You're welcome. I've just done a bit of studying on different Kay models, mostly the Vanguard, which was a student line of models of 2 (or 3, but I think 2) body shapes from 1961 - 1968. Vanguards seem to not have as much popularity as Danelectro does. The Kay "Pancake" Pickup can sound good for slide playing, too, when dialed in right. But with such weak magnets and no ability to change pickup height in stock form (they had no screws, they were riveted to pickguards) they may need slight modifications, so one can change pickup height. Justin Johnson playing a Kay Value Leader K1963 (3 pickup model:) ruclips.net/video/RgH1msz8VHw/видео.html Kay Vanguard K100 Demo: ruclips.net/video/_oi8Xfpp6BI/видео.html
can you tell me if the teisco gold foils will fit in a p90 strat pickguard? could it be that simple? or does it make sense to buy a p90 strat pickguard and hog it out for the gold foils? i know they pretty much are the size of a p90 but not sure if that would work on a pickguard or maybe foam them underneath? any recommendation?
nice info!!!! I just pulled out a 1960 audition, that has these pickups , outta my closet and going to do some test with them and set them back in. Also I have a 1960 leban cyclone that has a stacked plate style pickups .
Observation: Not all pickups are high-gain friendly. OTOH, this sound might be IT for someone out there. To each their own. I will say that I liked the sound of the licks you played at around 2:48. It kinda reminded me of a Blues harmonica run into a hot tube amp. Thanks for posting this video BTW, very informative.
Gold has exceptionally good conductance (which is why it's so important in microelectronics), thus there is going to be less eddy-currents losses. The pickups are going to drive that signal hard and the peaks are going to keep getting chopped off into those dirty mesas until the signal gets way low, but you're still going to get the occasional peak-tip lopped-off with the rest of the signal low. So you'll have a weak output but still little bits of scattered dirt.
there is no gold in gold foil pickups. the foil is aluminum most of the time, and it's very thin as well, so it basically has no effect on the sound whatsoever. what probably makes gold foils unique is the specific frequency response given by the low impedance which is a result of low gauss rubber magnets and the low number of turns in the coil, among other factors. also, i don't know what value pots joe has in there, that may also have something to do with it. i don't know why this behavior happens, but that's pretty much all there is to them as far as i can tell. i will be making a fuzz face clone soon and i'll test some of the pickups i've wound - one is particularly low output and i'm curious if it behaves like this. i'll also experiment with some low pot values. hopefully i'll remember to come back and report.
Very interesting. I have original moustache gold foils on my 72 Harmony Rebel, but I don't use fuzz with that guitar much (full hollow body) so I've never noticed. *However*, my first guitar was one of those old 70s Kay Tulip body's from Woolco and I also had a Shin-ei Companion FY-2 fuzz. And even though the Kay did not have gold foils but rather the old pickups typical of those Tiesco/ Kay Tulip models, they did exhibit this kind of behaviour with the Shin-ei. Could not get it to clean up; it just got darker and muddier. Maybe that had something more to do with the fuzz, I'm not sure. The Shin-ei had silicon transistors... maybe that had something to do with it. Had that kind of chainsaw fuzz like the Gibson Maestro FZ-1 used on Satisfaction, but I'm not sure if the construction was at all similar.
The Shin-ei Companion is gonna sound like an electric shaver regardless of the pickup or where you have your guitar's volume pot. It's not a 'clean up' kind of fuzz no matter what you do.
Hello Joe, wondering if you knrew the Guild reissue DeArmond 1100 Rhythm Chief with the adjustable poles has rubber magnets too. Around 6.8 k ohms. The red RC 1000 reissue doesn’t and they are 11K Do you know if the original 1000 had rubber magnets? Or what they read spec wise.
Great video Joe, I would say the tone did change as you backed off the vol. but not the way we would expect. It's interesting that it stays dirty and some players might want that in some circumstances.
Very informative Joe. Do you know what would happen with other unconventional pickups? Lace alumitone? Lace sensors? Would be interesting to know also about the GFS gold / metal foils...
This is valuable info man thank you. I was literally about to drop 210.00 bucks on one for the neck my Les paul tribute. Gibson routed the the bodies of there lp tributes for neck pickups because it's the same body as the lp specials with both p90s. That's another little known fact that compliments this video and hopefully helps someone else out. Not sure what to put in the neck position now that I've seen this. Any suggestions? Thanks again!
Interesting. I was considering getting a gold foil, but will have to think about it some more. BTW, where could I find tab or a video for that awesome arrangement of Hallelujah?
So, it's an impedance thing? Not clean, but def useable and useful. Tell me, - Why would you down vote a video like this? WTF would you look it up and watch it? Some people are just,- DANK.
Didn't the old Lace Sensor pickups have the rubber magnets? I don't recall the same behavior from them. Either way, the super microphonic nature of the gold foil pickups is so phenomenal. I wonder if the output isn't affected by the potentiometer the same way somehow, like maybe the volume is reduced, but the load is relatively similar?
I have this weird late 1960's guitar that is heavily beaten up, left out in the weather, and the frets were all worn down. This thing has seen a lot of playing for sure and it is an old Sears brand (a bass was with it as well but not as heavily used) and I don't know what kind of pickups are on it. Single coil looking but square like the soapbox type but where the slugs would be, or screws, they are square and cannot be positioned. Ever seen anything like that?
Yeah, I wouldn't say that. Then again, these are in a Fender-style guitar, so they're not gonna have the low end of a mahogany guitar. Still, that does have great low end for a Fender. The Resistocaster is badass too \m/ safety pin and all
Maybe the rubber magnets act more like a semi-conductor, giving it some sort of capacitance that cant maintain a strong enough signal below certain volume settings until you end up with a signal from just leakage current at the lowest volume setting.
I'm not sure if it's the fog of time talking here, but I recall a lot of Harmony pickups like that being pretty microphonic. How are these newfangled ones in that regard, Joe?
What influence would magnet type have? Clearly the pot has to have some influence on the behavior, too (not that a different pot would fix this, just how it interacts with the pickup side). Because the magnet only determines what, henries and field shape? If there’s some weird non-linearity in the circuit over the volume sweep, what’s on the pickup side that would influence that?
Magnets and practically every single thing IRL is stupidly non-linear. In thing like pickups everything matter. How it's winded, what magnets are used, what design overall, what materials.
Good stuff to know, and probably something I should've figured out myself long ago (I was kinda obsessed with crappy guitars with wonky pickips as a kid). Thing is though, back in the late 70s, I never turned down! I'm MUCH more disciplined now though...really, I am......sorta! :-p
I don't buy the "it's the magnets" explanation, unless the rubber magnets result in an incredibly high output pickup? As in much higher than humbuckers?
Gold foils are not high output. They keep-up with single-coils by using 44AWG wire in order to get more turns into the coil which gives more output for the smaller space.
I'm wondering how to achieve this sound on a budget. I'm new to guitars and am learning about hardware. I was wondering what is some work arounds? I'm looking up tubeless overdrives and it's in the 1,000's of dollars. Is that my only option? I've mainly ran my current guitar into a digital set up (Ableton suite 11).
If its not already clear, I have no idea what I'm doing. I've just been playing my guitar so damn much (2+ hours a day since I bought it a few months ago) that I can definitely be okay with myself jumping in.
@@joe_gore Joe, you're awesome brother! love your videos. You're right too. Yeah, the pickups. I'm with an Epiphone Les Paul standard, and I've recently understood I can adjust the humbuckers that come with it for a better sound. (My neck pickup is super flat compared to my bridge pickup.) I also wanted some more growl without to much modulation (Be that pedals, etc.) in the signal to my amp, and I'm in love with the gold foils. Lollar emailed me and told me their novel foil pickups would drop right in with some of their 500k pentiometers to get a similar gain control. I think for now, I'm going to raise my neck pickup and see if that makes a sound for me. But those lows are some of the most beautiful sounds I've heard. I'm okay with shelling out the right amount of money for that sound!
Does anybody actually understand why this happens from an electronic perspective? Do voltage dividers somehow behave differently with these pickups? What exactly is going on to cause this effect?
very sad indeed. g.e. stinson here. i was the guitarist and co-founder of shadowfax. harry was a good friend and comrade for many years. he recorded most of our albums and toured with us for most of the 80s. he loved you and your guitar playing, joe. much respect. harry invited me to see the PJ gig at the wiltern here in LA. i loved what you added to her music. singular and very creative.
Wow, at the lowest setting it sounded like a banjo for a second. You can click the pedal off to get a clean sound, but I know, it isn't the same as turning down, but just nearly the same, and that doesn't count to a lot of players.
I hate to say it A pick-up is well a reactive load, made from resistance, inductance and capacitance. part of what makes the inductance is the magnet and any pole material’s if any think of it as part of the magnetic circuit. Ideally in a transformer there is no leakage of magnetism the very core of a transformer and (inductors) change the value. I do not know if the rubber magnetic material makes for a good inductor or a bad inductor, but it will have an effect. As I said a reactive load and yes I'm talking for an input into an amp different values make for different reactions think of it as a passive filter, it has been a long time since I was doing the maths and this was only for a 300 to 3KHz telephone circuit where everything was balanced. It is a good observation but the answer may require proper experimentation using standard scientific testing. The easy answer is that it is but some times I want to know why!
The materials that affect resistance, inductance and capacitance the key parts of the pickup dictate how the pickup preforms when it is hooked up to a iinput of a amplification stage you get a reactive impedance that is in effect a audio filter or in the words of amp builders a tone stack. It is more fun to play the guitar than to know how or why it works the way it does.
You were definitely a silent film actor in your past life.
not gonna lie, i cackled at that
He does marvelously communicate without speaking.
You mean Nosferatu?
@@georginaK21 Don't be rude.
@@georginaK21 pendejo
Now that's how you inform and demonstrate. I'm in.
I just don't get it . . when I go to the grocery store and pick up my chicken parts I come home and wrap them in regular silver foil and put 'em in the oven they cook just fine . . but when I wrap them in gold foil and cook them they come out all distorted no matter how low I put the knob on the oven . . . it must be that there gold foil you is playing with is over-driving my stove. That there gold foil is tricky stuff. But its finger-pickin' good!
Really funny!
imagine what would happen if you put the chicken in the foil in a microwave oven..…...
I have always called those rubberised magnets , "fridge magnets" the type that holds the refrigerator door closed.
Very nice Joe! I had never heard about rubber magnets, but it's always great to learn something new. I actually have an old Teisco type guitar that needs some restoration, probably 60s or 70s, with gold foil pickups. I'll check how the pickups and volume behave once the wiring is done. ;-) Take care!
I loved your rendition of Hallelujah at the beginning of the video...beautiful!👍😎🎸🎶
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Woah, didn't know that - thanks Joe! What an odd phenomenon...
This was such a good tutorial. I still want those Strat sized gold foils that Mojo does! You're a fantastic guitarist too, which makes things so entertaining
Thanks for this! I’ve been really into the clean sounds you are getting from the gold foil pickups. I’ve been thinking about them in the neck position and a mini humbucker in the bridge of a t style project guitar. Appreciate the videos. 👍
Glorious playing, Joe. Neil would love that black LPC sound.
I have a hybrid humbucking p90 gold foil in the neck position of my LP Special clone just for these “no-volume” tones. A bit off full cut on the tone and the tone is unexplainable with words - ya gotta feel it! Great video! Thank you.
This is one of my favorite channels, Ill stop by from time to time to get my unique gear fix
You are a kindred spirit Joe....loved to read your monthly guitar player column as a boy....
tonefiend by joe gore ....will do.take care,warmest regards from Germany.....
Really cool vid! Have u tried to replace the volume pots? Its a common try, changing from 500k to 250k ou 250k to 100k so on..
Thanks for that one! I' was going to change the pickups in my Godin 5th avenue GT from HB'ers to Phat Cat p90'es and came across these gold foil thingies and found the sound really interesting. BUT I use the volume control all the time to add or remove break-up in the amp, so these are definitely not for me. 400 bucks saved, thnx mate. :-)
this was both interesting and informative . Watched ... enjoyed
sam127001 agreed.
Thank you so much for this clear demonstration. Excellent information!
BASS player here, nice instructive video, might get some foil pickups to try out in a BASS.
@@joe_gore IIt'll take a while because of covid, not enough work, but when I do it, i'll share the results with you first, thanks man ;)
Nice vlogs! I just tried a mojo gold foil (supposedly a true replicla) on a guitar this weekend and it actually did clean up when you rolled down the volume.
Very cool, dude! Lovely tone of the gold foil!
Excellent format, killer playing
Super strange, my Lollar Gold Foils act perfectly with Treble Boosters and Fuzz. Maybe your Gold Foil guitar has a treble bleed circuit in it? That usually messes with the response of my fuzzes.
I don’t remember if I had treble-bleed in that guitar, and that neck and body have been used in several other configurations since I made this, so I can’t check. But a) I usually add treble-bleed to my non-vintage guitars, and b) I’ve never encountered this property on any of them.
strange cause my lollar goldfoils can make my fuzz factory (set like a fuzz face) go from full on fuzz to jimi-hendrix clean with the volume knob. same for an overdriven amp... not sure what pots are in my guitar (american deluxe strat from 2007 i believe).
yea ill send you a link asap
alright 4 months later but i made a clip that shows my goldfoils cleaning up with the volume knob and a fuzz factory. instagram.com/p/BaiHRckl8uI/
Mine as well!!!
I have a Fuzz factory and a guitar with normal single coils, and when I back off the volume it also cleans up a lot. Is that the same thing as what this video and comment are talking about?
That's intriguing, Joe. I have a 1960 shortscale Harmony Stratotone Jupiter with 2 goldfoils in it. It's cranky at the best of times but my main issue was that it has an awesome sound when you wind it up (dirty but cuts through beautifully, and great sustain), but it's very tricky to get a tone that's fairly clean - and yes the volume pots mostly have to be at 10. I think you might have the explanation there. Great demo!
Thanks for the FYI! I am thinking of putting a gold foil as a neck pickup on a carved top, P-90, LP Flametop I built or a Jazzmaster/staple style. Not having clean up is a big consideration since I typically run a GE range booster > Fuzz of the day > tuner> amp of the day. Looking to pick up a Duh and/or a Filth very soon.
If you don't have active electronics, buffered output or treble bleed circuits in that guitar, there's something weird going on with the output impedance of those pickups! Did you find the actual explanation?
What about if you put a BOOSTER or maybe a COMPRESSOR between the gold foil & the amp?
@@joe_gore 🤔👍
One small correction: weren't the Japanese PUs based upon the DeArmond gold (and silver) foils? Correct me if I'm wrong...
I appreciate the heads up...any suggestions as to a workaround? I'm sincere in asking this...
@@joe_gore There's another one that needs mentioned, but it seems to only be a variant of the 1959 - 1967 / 1968 Kay "Pancake" or "Zippo" pickup; the gold foil one seems to be the same pickup, but without the metal casing on top, and with decorative gold foil there. It's not really a gold foil, it just needs said.
@@joe_gore You're welcome. I've just done a bit of studying on different Kay models, mostly the Vanguard, which was a student line of models of 2 (or 3, but I think 2) body shapes from 1961 - 1968. Vanguards seem to not have as much popularity as Danelectro does.
The Kay "Pancake" Pickup can sound good for slide playing, too, when dialed in right. But with such weak magnets and no ability to change pickup height in stock form (they had no screws, they were riveted to pickguards) they may need slight modifications, so one can change pickup height.
Justin Johnson playing a Kay Value Leader K1963 (3 pickup model:)
ruclips.net/video/RgH1msz8VHw/видео.html
Kay Vanguard K100 Demo:
ruclips.net/video/_oi8Xfpp6BI/видео.html
Thet all sound amazing. But wow! Loved how that LP cleaned up!
can you tell me if the teisco gold foils will fit in a p90 strat pickguard? could it be that simple? or does it make sense to buy a p90 strat pickguard and hog it out for the gold foils? i know they pretty much are the size of a p90 but not sure if that would work on a pickguard or maybe foam them underneath? any recommendation?
Great information thank you!
Great information and well demonstrated. Thank you
nice info!!!! I just pulled out a 1960 audition, that has these pickups , outta my closet and going to do some test with them and set them back in. Also I have a 1960 leban cyclone that has a stacked plate style pickups .
Observation: Not all pickups are high-gain friendly. OTOH, this sound might be IT for someone out there. To each their own. I will say that I liked the sound of the licks you played at around 2:48. It kinda reminded me of a Blues harmonica run into a hot tube amp. Thanks for posting this video BTW, very informative.
Yup, that's what I meant.
Thanks ! Great explanation, going to put these pickups in my epi 335 with stock p90! Love how these gold pup's sound!!
Did you try that yet? I want to hear it!
@@joegore407 no, not yet, hope to do it till March,need to get new audio interface etc...music just my favorite hobby,You know cash never enough :'D
That's a perfect garage rock machine, f**king *love* it
Yeah, they definitely have at least as much garage attitude as any pickup I know. Yet they can also have such beautiful, bell-like clean tones.
This guys face has me hankering for a few Puddles the Pity Clown videos.
Tasty chops bro.
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I'd say yes...plus he is about 6'5" & like you , he is talented.
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Check him out... His live stuff is entertaining imo, and odd.
thank you for this. saved me a lot of time!
Gold has exceptionally good conductance (which is why it's so important in microelectronics), thus there is going to be less eddy-currents losses. The pickups are going to drive that signal hard and the peaks are going to keep getting chopped off into those dirty mesas until the signal gets way low, but you're still going to get the occasional peak-tip lopped-off with the rest of the signal low. So you'll have a weak output but still little bits of scattered dirt.
there is no gold in gold foil pickups. the foil is aluminum most of the time, and it's very thin as well, so it basically has no effect on the sound whatsoever.
what probably makes gold foils unique is the specific frequency response given by the low impedance which is a result of low gauss rubber magnets and the low number of turns in the coil, among other factors. also, i don't know what value pots joe has in there, that may also have something to do with it.
i don't know why this behavior happens, but that's pretty much all there is to them as far as i can tell. i will be making a fuzz face clone soon and i'll test some of the pickups i've wound - one is particularly low output and i'm curious if it behaves like this. i'll also experiment with some low pot values. hopefully i'll remember to come back and report.
great... no more words needed here...
do u know whether the 'argyle' pickups used in eastwood/airline guitars have rubber magnets?
Maybe I missed it, but what about picking dynamics? Do they clean up with a lighter touch?
Very interesting. I have original moustache gold foils on my 72 Harmony Rebel, but I don't use fuzz with that guitar much (full hollow body) so I've never noticed. *However*, my first guitar was one of those old 70s Kay Tulip body's from Woolco and I also had a Shin-ei Companion FY-2 fuzz. And even though the Kay did not have gold foils but rather the old pickups typical of those Tiesco/ Kay Tulip models, they did exhibit this kind of behaviour with the Shin-ei. Could not get it to clean up; it just got darker and muddier. Maybe that had something more to do with the fuzz, I'm not sure. The Shin-ei had silicon transistors... maybe that had something to do with it. Had that kind of chainsaw fuzz like the Gibson Maestro FZ-1 used on Satisfaction, but I'm not sure if the construction was at all similar.
The Shin-ei Companion is gonna sound like an electric shaver regardless of the pickup or where you have your guitar's volume pot. It's not a 'clean up' kind of fuzz no matter what you do.
what happens with a volume pedal? same thing?
Hello Joe, wondering if you knrew the Guild reissue DeArmond 1100 Rhythm Chief with the adjustable poles has rubber magnets too. Around 6.8 k ohms. The red RC 1000 reissue doesn’t and they are 11K
Do you know if the original 1000 had rubber magnets? Or what they read spec wise.
Great video Joe, I would say the tone did change as you backed off the vol. but not the way we would expect. It's interesting that it stays dirty and some players might want that in some circumstances.
@@joe_gore I have an old Harmony lap steel with a GF in it, really a cool sounding PUP, Im gonna put some in a Jazzmaster.
Very informative Joe. Do you know what would happen with other unconventional pickups? Lace alumitone? Lace sensors? Would be interesting to know also about the GFS gold / metal foils...
thank you Joe, that was a useful thing to know!
My pleasure, rikvee. I'm glad you found it useful.
This is valuable info man thank you. I was literally about to drop 210.00 bucks on one for the neck my Les paul tribute. Gibson routed the the bodies of there lp tributes for neck pickups because it's the same body as the lp specials with both p90s. That's another little known fact that compliments this video and hopefully helps someone else out. Not sure what to put in the neck position now that I've seen this. Any suggestions? Thanks again!
Interesting. I was considering getting a gold foil, but will have to think about it some more. BTW, where could I find tab or a video for that awesome arrangement of Hallelujah?
Thanks, Joe...
Loved “Ski Baby Ski”..
i have some mojo dual foils. i’ll have to test this, since i haven’t really noticed this interesting quirk.
So, it's an impedance thing?
Not clean, but def useable and useful.
Tell me, -
Why would you down vote a video like this? WTF would you look it up and watch it?
Some people are just,-
DANK.
@@joe_gore I can't stand poor losers, - which they proved recently-, and back with Obama.Little did they realize, he was just more of the same.
Great stuff, Joe!
I never knew this.
That is important as I started noticing I crank on this volume a lot
Indispensable info, Joe - thank you!!
Thanks - and my pleasure. Hey, I actually get to learn stuff I don't know with these experiments. :)
Now THAT is interesting.
Thanks for the FYI. Had no idea.
Damn I was looking into putting the supro gold foils in one of my guitars. I may reconsider now, thanks for all your work!
@@joe_gore that's good to know, thanks. I'll see if I can find one to try
I'll be dogged... Inneresting!
Cool, very interesting, I love the clean sound anyway but good to know, cheers
Is it really the pickups? My guess would be all other guitars have logarithmic pots and the one with gold foils has linear?
Didn't the old Lace Sensor pickups have the rubber magnets? I don't recall the same behavior from them.
Either way, the super microphonic nature of the gold foil pickups is so phenomenal. I wonder if the output isn't affected by the potentiometer the same way somehow, like maybe the volume is reduced, but the load is relatively similar?
I have this weird late 1960's guitar that is heavily beaten up, left out in the weather, and the frets were all worn down. This thing has seen a lot of playing for sure and it is an old Sears brand (a bass was with it as well but not as heavily used) and I don't know what kind of pickups are on it. Single coil looking but square like the soapbox type but where the slugs would be, or screws, they are square and cannot be positioned. Ever seen anything like that?
@@joe_gore What kind of pickups are in this?
@@joe_gore Oh, wow those sound beautiful. Thank you.
Amazing playing
"formidable lows", love it
Yeah, I wouldn't say that. Then again, these are in a Fender-style guitar, so they're not gonna have the low end of a mahogany guitar. Still, that does have great low end for a Fender. The Resistocaster is badass too \m/ safety pin and all
what about into some kind of buffered boost, volume pedal etc? is there any circuit to counter-act this??
Maybe the rubber magnets act more like a semi-conductor, giving it some sort of capacitance that cant maintain a strong enough signal below certain volume settings until you end up with a signal from just leakage current at the lowest volume setting.
That DIY fuzz face is biased just right. Such a satisfying fat sound. It rivals any Sunface I've heard.
Great vid. What pickups are you using in that Strat at 1:24 ?
AWESOME - Joe - thanks a million
I LOVE THAT... thank you man...GREAT channel GREAT content
Interesting! What happens if you put a small capacitor in parallel with the pickup to lower the resonance frequency?
I'm not sure if it's the fog of time talking here, but I recall a lot of Harmony pickups like that being pretty microphonic. How are these newfangled ones in that regard, Joe?
Appreciate the heads up
Now do the guitar player trapped in a glass box!
Wait I just realized Kiss borrowed their whole deal from Marcel Marceau🤯🤯
What was the first song you played?
What influence would magnet type have? Clearly the pot has to have some influence on the behavior, too (not that a different pot would fix this, just how it interacts with the pickup side).
Because the magnet only determines what, henries and field shape? If there’s some weird non-linearity in the circuit over the volume sweep, what’s on the pickup side that would influence that?
Magnets and practically every single thing IRL is stupidly non-linear.
In thing like pickups everything matter. How it's winded, what magnets are used, what design overall, what materials.
Amazing playing!!
what's that song from 0:38 to 0:50 ? that sounded really good!
They are badass.
When they go, go all the way.
Good stuff to know, and probably something I should've figured out myself long ago (I was kinda obsessed with crappy guitars with wonky pickips as a kid). Thing is though, back in the late 70s, I never turned down! I'm MUCH more disciplined now though...really, I am......sorta! :-p
I don't buy the "it's the magnets" explanation, unless the rubber magnets result in an incredibly high output pickup? As in much higher than humbuckers?
Gold foils are not high output. They keep-up with single-coils by using 44AWG wire in order to get more turns into the coil which gives more output for the smaller space.
Which brand is that fuzz face for the stratocaster?
What is the name of this very foil pickup model?
I'm wondering how to achieve this sound on a budget. I'm new to guitars and am learning about hardware. I was wondering what is some work arounds? I'm looking up tubeless overdrives and it's in the 1,000's of dollars. Is that my only option? I've mainly ran my current guitar into a digital set up (Ableton suite 11).
If its not already clear, I have no idea what I'm doing. I've just been playing my guitar so damn much (2+ hours a day since I bought it a few months ago) that I can definitely be okay with myself jumping in.
@@joe_gore Joe, you're awesome brother! love your videos. You're right too. Yeah, the pickups. I'm with an Epiphone Les Paul standard, and I've recently understood I can adjust the humbuckers that come with it for a better sound. (My neck pickup is super flat compared to my bridge pickup.) I also wanted some more growl without to much modulation (Be that pedals, etc.) in the signal to my amp, and I'm in love with the gold foils. Lollar emailed me and told me their novel foil pickups would drop right in with some of their 500k pentiometers to get a similar gain control. I think for now, I'm going to raise my neck pickup and see if that makes a sound for me. But those lows are some of the most beautiful sounds I've heard. I'm okay with shelling out the right amount of money for that sound!
Does anybody actually understand why this happens from an electronic perspective? Do voltage dividers somehow behave differently with these pickups? What exactly is going on to cause this effect?
I’m interested in the the floating gold foil Lolar pick up to stick on a Olympic Arch top. I use overdrive but from the tube amp
I just ordered a set of gfs goldfoil type pickups for a strat I have. Dying to see if they do this....
Please let me know!
Amazing player and an hilarious face-puller.
Learning to play was hard! The face-pulling comes naturally. Wish it had been the other way around.
Very cool. I just learned something!
cool, I've never heard of rubber magnets- how's that work?
Beautiful playing! Was that hallelujah?
So, this begs the question, do goldfoils with alnico magnets clean up well?
lol I mean, it IS a nice costume, tho ;)
excellent demonstration. thanks.
are you the same joe gore who played with PJ? i think you might have known a friend of mine. harry andronis, the engineer who mixed that tour.
very sad indeed. g.e. stinson here. i was the guitarist and co-founder of shadowfax. harry was a good friend and comrade for many years. he recorded most of our albums and toured with us for most of the 80s. he loved you and your guitar playing, joe. much respect. harry invited me to see the PJ gig at the wiltern here in LA. i loved what you added to her music. singular and very creative.
back at ya, Joe.
Have you tried swapping out a different volume pot?
Wow, at the lowest setting it sounded like a banjo for a second. You can click the pedal off to get a clean sound, but I know, it isn't the same as turning down, but just nearly the same, and that doesn't count to a lot of players.
I hate to say it A pick-up is well a reactive load, made from resistance, inductance and capacitance. part of what makes the inductance is the magnet and any pole material’s if any think of it as part of the magnetic circuit. Ideally in a transformer there is no leakage of magnetism the very core of a transformer and (inductors) change the value. I do not know if the rubber magnetic material makes for a good inductor or a bad inductor, but it will have an effect. As I said a reactive load and yes I'm talking for an input into an amp different values make for different reactions think of it as a passive filter, it has been a long time since I was doing the maths and this was only for a 300 to 3KHz telephone circuit where everything was balanced. It is a good observation but the answer may require proper experimentation using standard scientific testing. The easy answer is that it is but some times I want to know why!
whut r u trying to say mann
The materials that affect resistance, inductance and capacitance the key parts of the pickup dictate how the pickup preforms when it is hooked up to a iinput of a amplification stage you get a reactive impedance that is in effect a audio filter or in the words of amp builders a tone stack. It is more fun to play the guitar than to know how or why it works the way it does.
I want that fuzz. What is it?
thank you