Mark Cavendish Vs Mario Cipollini - Who Is The Best Sprinter Of All Time?
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- Mark Cavendish and Mario Cipollini, two of the greatest sprinters of all time. But, who is/was better? Comment with your thoughts.
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'The Lion King', Mario Cipollini was perhaps as famous for the custom kits that he often raced in as he was for his results. That said, with a world title, 12 stages at the Tour and 42 stages at the Giro and a total of 157 pro wins, Cipo could well be the greatest road sprinter of the last 25 years.
Let's move on to Mark Cavendish. Cav also has a world title to his name, which he won in 2011. Cav has a total of 132 pro wins so far - so he could well exceed Cipo's total before he retires. Cavendish's wins include 26 Tour stages and 15 stages of the Giro.
Who do you think is the better sprinter? Let us know down in the comments.
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You want to have a pint with Cav, you want to go out clubbing with Cipo.
Cippo
I'd like to see Ferrari vs. Fuentes, best doctors of the peloton
please give your opinion on this. Actually an interesting question. Ferrari had the stars. fuentes had more bulk
Gold lol 😂
LOL.
Cipo and his outrageous antics,a sponsors dream,Cav and his 28 TDF wins and yellow jersey.
They are both great riders but I do like Cipo more.
Make that 34 tdf wins for Cav. The Goat.
Cippo was, is and always will be THE SPRINTER
Longtime Cipo fan... I miss the late 90s, it seems like much of the "personality" is gone from cycling. No more rivalries like Zabel v Cipollini, Pantani v Ullrich/Armstrong, etc. Doping aside, those seemed like the glory days. Peter Sagan is the only rider I can think of that still has some character.
Wiggins vs Lloyd... did Wiggins ride for the Cervelo test team? Dont think so
+SwedishHouseFifa no he never did
Sorry, even if Cav wins a 1000 victories he will never be as cool as Mario. Mario has it all, the style, the podium girls, the look and the skills. Just look at the bikes he makes, my god are they a work of art or what. It's just no contest.
So we're judging the best sprinter of all time on how cool they are?
+UnbounDxSpartaN You can do what you like. :)
+UnbounDxSpartaN How else do you judge a cyclist ?
Yes, agreed
+Chris 987654 you're joking right?
Sadly the era Cipollini was long before i was interested in cycling.
But from the footage i have seen he definetly was the coolest the guy in the peloton.
Cippo was and is the Man!
Mario still rides like an animal even if he`s retired, He still looks like he can ride pro.
Cipo by far. I d' love to see Mario of those days on a modern delicate bike sprinting the hell out of it
Of your choices, there's not really a question. Cipo is the Lion King after all.
I do have to admit, I always liked the professionalism of Erik Zabel. :-)
Cipollini
Cipo! Subjectively, I would go with him as my favourite sprinter. Plus my first bike was a CAAD 5!
Cipo is one of a kind, he was a character and had quite an unconventionally bulky look for a cyclist, which made him who he is. The guy is undeniably the coolest looking cyclist that's ever lived !
I'm not sure who Matt thinks he is commenting on "Hair Crimes"
This is very true.
+Adam Walker I laughed when he said it!
+Adam Walker I actually had to stop the video when he made that comment.
Cipo forever, with such a cool name! ;-))
In italian Cipollini means "small onions" btw
@@giuliodoppio4986 was thinking the same! 🤣
Mario Cipollini. We must also say that he has won 4 consecutive stages at 1999's tour de france
Cipo. He was the consummate professional with an unbelievable work ethic and he never whined.
Cipollini, he's a force of nature.
Cipo. Remember "Cannondale is best bike!"? Style icon with the guts and glory to set himself apart. + He didn't have to rough people up to win sprints or stages, Raw Power!
Cipollini was on another level, Cav first of the humans...
Cipo ....he defo brought the leaders jersey shorts combo in too...game changer
Please do not talk about sprinting and hair while Marcel Kittel still draws breath
+Conor Verbruggen Also, Cipollini tested positive for EPO in 1998 TdF so it's actually an insult to say he's a better rider
+Conor Verbruggen I'm not sure if I agree with that. (It is an insult to call Cipollini a better rider)
It was a time, when everybody doped. In the subjective way, you maybe can cross him out of the "list of the potential best riders" - or however you want to call it.
However objective, I think he still was a good sprinter in a time, in which everybody doped.
For me, as German, Jan Ullrich is a hero. I don't care if he doped in 1997 or not, he will stay a hero. He won the Tour de France during a time, in which everybody doped.
I also kind of respect Armstrong. I know he violated the rules big time, but you still have the heart to win the Tour de France seven fucking times. You should kind of beat the crap out of him for mocking the whole world, for cheating on the whole world, but you still give him the credit to pull his plan through, IMO.
However, if they discover that a Tour winner of the years past 2010, he should ripped apart. There should be cut somewhere, and everybody who doped after this cut should really get problems. Thats how I feel. I think it would destroy the whole sport if you point on everybody who doped once in the live. I don't want to hate on guys like Ullrich, Jens Voigt, Andreas Klöden, Erik Zabel, and many more. But thats just how I feel.
+Conor Verbruggen Yes! Marcel displays the best combination of sprinting and hair on the planet!!! Though I'm not sure Cipo has ever actually been found guilty of doping and I like to believe innocent until proven.
kimi20F1c I get your points and I agree with most of them. Throwing lance to the wolves gave a lot of people free reign to be seriously hypocritical and there's a constant motif of scapegoating.
None the less, here we're comparing an athlete who definitely doped to one who as far as we're aware has not, and in an overall sense, not just their athleticism. I know the era was different I accept that. But saying an athlete who doped is actually better than one who didn't, is that ok? Is it a good message for young riders? "You shouldn't dope, but if everyone is doing it... ahh we'll forgive you"
PJ Garcia Have you seen Clean Spirit with Kittel et al? it's on Netflix I'd recommend :-)
Unfortunately the evidence is pretty conclusive re. Cippo :/ www.dopeology(dot)org/incidents/Cipollini-positive/
Cipo. I guess many people forget that Cipo won a world championship as well, not just Cav. Cipo also won a few classics, Gent-Wevelgem 2002, on his own, bridging gaps doing a climb. That one race alone has things in there I have never seen Cav do. Cav is undoubtably one of the best rockets ever on flat or downhill sprints. But Mario won even out of his own element.
What I would like to know is what was the weight difference between the two; I think Cipo carried significantly more weight which is why I don't think he finishes the grand tours like Cav can- which gives Cav more opportunities for stage wins. I think these guys are just two different types of sprinters. Mario took a sprint over much earlier than Cav- they were longer, more drawn out. Cav has this incredible high powered motor that he turns on for much shorter distances. Cipo had the lead out train whereas Cav does it a lot on his own, kind of like Robbie McEwen used to do. They did it a bit differently I think. Because of Cipo's bravado- he usually get's the nod- at least to people who watched the majority of Cipo's career. Hard to debate this one although they both are incredibly exiting to watch. For now, my vote goes to Cipo. No offense to anyone here- Cav is amazing and will be remembered in cycling lore for the ages.
Cipo even got his own bikes...!!!
Cipo 🚴 🇮🇹 powerhouse! The ultimate sprinter 🚴💨
How big were Cippo's guns back in the day?
The guns of Cipo - are they made without drugs?!
+Stéphane Jefe Müller a valid question, to be sure- but at the same time too, for the sake of the innocent we still have to presume he is. How would you like to have to defend your rightful gains against specious slander and accusations ?
How many innocent found guilty and sentenced only to be exonerated later ?
+Laszlo Zoltan the whole era has been pretty much proven to be guilty. No need to be naïve.
Nelson Bude so you dope ? that's pretty vacant imho
Stéphane Jefe Müller made without permits!
Cipo. Oh, btw, his team was excluded many times by the Tour's organization, he didn't receive a wild card not even when he wore the rainbow jersey in 2003.
he was excluded because he retired from every single TdF without e ven trying. They rightly told the dope cheat to fuck off,
@@tonyfranklin8306 Makes no sense... If he is a dope it should be easy for him to make it to the finish line...
Robbie McEwan: not as many wins, for sure, but he sure had to fight for them! Against Cipollini, Cavendish, Zabel et al, too.
Cav is to Cipo as Barney Rubble is to Mario Andretti.
I'd like it to be Cav but on performance Cipollini has it. When Cav was doing well it was a joy to behold but it didn't last nearly long enough. Plus there were always incidents and accusations of foul play in his sprints. Remember the Hushovd saga? Not much of that anymore. Now he can't seem to finish a tour without riding into a car. The ToB accident was incredible. About 100 riders went passed that car and Cav hit it. Proves he's in the top 1%.
Talking about cav can't finish tour while Cippo have never finished a tour even in his prime plus Cippo was a bully off the bike, threatening rival rider in hotels lobby and punching other riders and mocking them, speaking of dirty.
Enough is said so far. IMHO no one could beat Cipo in his prime in the late 90's.
Remember he was even 37 when he won the WC and Gent-Wevelgem and Milano-San Remo and still was able to beat even younger sprinters like Petacchi.
Cipollini for me. Cipollini is a boxer and Cavendish is a street fighter. From memory, Cipo sprinted clean whereas Cav is forever trying to fit through gaps that don't exist, causing crashes and being completely self righteous and unapologetic. No win is worth ending another rider's season for. Cav is a brat.
Cippo who doesn't like chips? plus he could ride a straight line
Chipo is a living leyend!! He's the MAN!
Cipo by far even though I like Cav.
Great video guys! Could you please do the same type of video but then Boonen against Cancellara
+Niels Heldens Cancellara wins this competition for sure
Testconroler if you will look at their palmares yes Cancellara will win. But the best palmares doesn't mean who is the best cyclist(it says a lot but not everything)
+Testconroler yeah!
+Niels Heldens Yeah youre right however i think Cancellara has just the complete package. He has a huge engine and is a really athletic rider. But i think by far his biggest talent is the ability to read a race. He just seems to know when to attack.
But of course, boonen is a really great rider too
Testconroler I'am a big fan of Cancellara I really am but I don't care if Boonen or Cancellara wins they are both great riders. And the time has come now to slowly say goodbye to them both. We have seen some great battles between them but not as much as I hoped for. Lets all enjoy Fabian's final year.
Who is the best time trialist of all times: Tony Martin vs Fabian Cancellara? German engineering vs Swiss watchmaking
Cipo wins on both palmares AND sheer entertainment value.
What the hell??? I cannot believe you missed the opportunity there GCN to mention Cipollini's Specialized Tron suit. A winning speed suit beyond measure! That would have clinched your argument there Mr Lloyd!
king cav the missle if you look the distance between him and the number 2 is he a legend
TOP FIVE SPRINTERS
1 - Mario Cipollini
2 - Super Mario
3 - The Lion King
4 - Cipo
5 - Mark Whinesalot
don´t forget Mario won 4 TDF stages in a row....!!!!!
Easily Cipo. He also created the super personality in modern cycling. Sagan would be a good example of a modern day iteration of that type of personality.
Even now Cav still only has 146 wins. Ain't no way he's catching Cipo now.
Cipo!! To be greatest isn't only about numbers and Cav acts like a spoiled brat. Who else would disrespect Cipollini during the time-trial stage of the Tour of California by taking one foot off a pedal as he went past to make it look like he could overtake the Italian with just one leg? "It's probably just the way he is," Cipollini said. "He probably hasn't figured out how to behave. I don't think it's clever to do that to a rider like me. I could be his father and I think he should have more respect. He's fast but he's still a kid." Cav doesn't care about promoting the sport and you can't be the greatest without that.
Cipo spend his whole fucking career acting like a spoilt brat. And people forget, cave is an accomplished track rider too
Contador vs Pantani !! PLEZZZ
1- Cipollini
2- Zabel
3- Cavendish
4- Petachi
5- Abdoujaparov
Three years after this video and it’s clear that The Lion King 👑 remains the 🐐
What do you think now mate? :)
@@fatihkale1007 I think I need to reassess.
Cipo, because he makes awesome bikes!!
Lloyd vs Wiggo - 1 :0. Lloyd is able to put Froomey under pressure when climbing :-)
I think Marcel Kittel is the next gen of sprinting gods, after that Caleb Ewan
Ewan clashing with Gaviria, great sprints in the making!
Shame on you comparing anybody with Cippo!
Mario hands down
I'm a little late here but I'm also really shocked only one guy mentioned him before: Zabel!
Maybe not as stylish as Chipo ... but Zabel is really the man!
12 Tour stages, 8 in the Vuelta ...pretty good number! about 201 victories in total or something? Tops Cav and Chipo!
2 times in yellow as well, 6 green jerseys in a row, 3 points jerseys in the Vuelta in a row - but the best thing is: we're not done yet
it was way more than just being a top notch sprinter in his days, he was even a really good classics rider: 4 San Remos, 3 times Paris-Tours, 1 Amstel!!, 1 overall World Cup (wow!), 3rd in Roubaix, 4th in the Ronde (2 times), 1 Cyclassics victory, 2 times on the WC podium, 2 national championships
and then, besides all these huge victories, there's still the tons of "shit" he won ... like 2 days after winning San Remo he was back winning the first stage of the "week of Catalunya" back then
...he's the man! as much as I admire the others, but he is the man
oh I forgot one: his roughly 50 weeks in total on top of the world rankings between 2000 and 2002 or something
which was a head to head thing against the likes of Bettini, Jalabert, Armstrong and so on
Cipollini is the original king of style and speed, no one has finished a stage faster then Cipollini. In 1999 from Laval to Biois 194.5 KM stage was won by Cipollini at speed of 50.4 KM...... THE KING OF SPEED
Robbie McEwen could be thrown into the best sprinter of all time list. Never really had the team around him like Cav and Cippo, could have won many more races if he a lead out train that was committed.
never will forget how he sacrificed himself being the water boy to support Cadel in the GC. Class act.
Cipollini won 42 stages in the Giro.. I rest my case.
Cavendish has won 34 Tour de France stages so stfu
Secont tier grand tour against second tier sprinters. Not th@t much at the tour where the real sprinters at.
Cipo is the man... No discussion!
How long have you been watching cycling, 10 years? Super Mario!!
Cipo was also WORLD CHAMP in 2002---> that qualifies as EXTREME UNIQUE and thus sets Cipo apart from the rest.
Cav was world champ
Hi guys, you could compare both Valverde and Purito Rodriguez. I talk from my spanish point of view, and although they were team mates at Illes Balears some years ago (currently Movistar) they have been contesting each other for many years at La Vuelta, some classics and other races. They are friends but when in 2013 Purito didn´t become World Champion(Rui Costa did) many supporters and media pundits told Valverde didn´t help Purito as he should...I don´t think so. Indeed Valverde helped Purito at the last Olympics...but these guys are two of the best riders I´ve ever seen. I´d like you talk about them. Cheers!
I'd like to see Mark Cavendish vs Peter Sagan vs Robbie Mcewen vs Alessandro Petachi vs Andre Greipel vs Marcel Kittel vs Mario Cipollini vs Thor Hushovd head to head in their prime.
Good idea to use AI computation abilities to run the Mano to Mano.
Super Mário... The best
Take a look at the nk1k road bike with disc brakes
Cipo best sprinter of all time. cool guy with no arrogance!
EPO is BY FAR the best sprinter of all time! :P
Both Cipollini and Cavendish are in my top 10, maybe top 5 of best sprinters of all time. But we are talking of all time here. And for me, undisputed #1 is Freddy Maertens of Belgium. If you want to be educated, just check the Tour of Spain (Vuelta) 1977. 13 stage wins out of 19. And his 8! stage wins in a single Tour de France. Or his 7 Stage wins in the Giro out of 8 stages before he fell. Or his 54 wins in one year.
Newbies to the sport would fangirl over cavendish because currently he's the best sprinter (although I'm pretty sure he's past his prime). Once we start to dig into the history of the sport, best sprinter without a doubt, cipo. Epitome of style and finesse.
Watched both and prime Cav would destroy Cippolini
Hard to take anything in Cippo's era seriously. I'm not naive enough to think the peloton is completely clean now, but it's sure a lot cleaner than it was in the late 90s early 00s.
when the darkness wrote the song "don't let the bells end", they were referring to mario cipollini doing the giro d'italia in santa claus skinsuit!
two words: Erik Zabel, 12 TdF stage wins and the green jersey from 96-01, also managed to transition into a a superb classics rider in the later stages of his career...added bonus: no messy hair or northern brashness. There is the doping thing of course but hey, who didn't do that in the 90s, Cippo certainly did...
To be fair, Cipollini missed many tour de France because his team was not admitted, even when Cipollini was world champion in 2002.
as much as I love Cipo...Cav has never been shadowed by doping scandals while Cipo's name appeared in Dr. Fuente's lists putting more than some doubts on his 2002 world championship win in Zolder...and he was positive to EPO in 1998
C A V!!!!! I watched Cipo in his racing days and I loved him then.. BUT he never finished any tour once the roads went up he was gone.. So it was very easy for him to put all his energy into just a few stages then go home...
Cipollini, Greipel and Kittel are the best sprinters ever!!!
🤣🤣🤣
LION KING!!
these eras are completly diffrent, one enhanced and one natural eras
Cav is the greatest.... of my generation. Although saying that, one of the things I love about cycling is that its all down to the cyclist and not the equipment, meaning others such as Sags and the Gorilla could all beat him on there day.
All in all, I think cycling is the winner
Cav is the best sprinter. And also I would like to these three match ups old match up Sean Kelly vs Stephen Roche. New match up Sir bradley wiggins vs Chris Froome. Old vs new match up Sean Kelly vs peter Sagan. New vs old match up Alberto Contador vs Miguel Indurain. THIS IS A GREAT CHANNEL!
I ment four match ups.
That Guy from Oezbekistan was amazing
Cav was the man to beat during sprinting's most competitive era. His blowout win in on the Champs Elysees in 2011, after losing his sprint train, then launching solo and making the rest of the sprinters (including Thor Ushovd, no less!) look like Cat 3 hopefuls, sums him up entirely. Cav for me.
And Pauline F.P is out of this world, as far as female cyclists go.
+DIRTEHHARRY M. Vos is laughing at your last statement.
Cipollini is what every man and child wanted to be for at least a moment hahah. Cipo is the best sprinter ever.
Cippo of course, but for all round sprinting, Cav of course. Remember he could climb a bit and he was World champion.
Cippo added interestpersonality and variety to the peloton andc was instrumental in creating the lead out, without which Cav wouldn’t have won a thing. Cav was just a petulant kid who sulked when it didn’t go his way Cippo had his own style.. there’s no contest imo... Cippo always!
Pauline Ferrand-Prévot vs Marianne Vos, the young talent vs the old confirmed, two cylo-cross racers, road racers, two world champions !
Il MAGNIFICO ! IN EVERY WAY!
Cav, Cipollini was, as we call in Spain, "Cutre". Cav has swag written all over where he is.
This is one really FAQ'd up video.
Cipo one and only
Watch Cipo bridge to the winning break in 2002! it was insane. Cipo 100%. The peloton needs outspoken riders like Cipo and Sagan. Cav wins a lot but we all can't wait to see what Sagan will do next just like Cipo they add a level of insanity. Cav is just to controlled and seemingly worried about his image to provide that kind of excitement. ruclips.net/video/SedHmKRnwpk/видео.html
Have to say Cav out of this debate but I'm all for Peter Sagan just because of his style.
Erik Zabel? 6x TdF Green jerseys. 3x Vuelta blue jerseys. 4x Milan-San Remo wins. An Amstel Gold win. A whole host of Six Day track victories...
...aaaaaaand a doping confession. Bugger.
Would love to see some father-son video's. V Poppel, vd Poel.. Or some riders who excelled at multiple disciplines (again, Mathieu vd Poel).
Cav all the way! *I'm a fan*
But I wish you could measure Cipollini's guns... Looks like a top 3 to me!
Personally I think Cav is the best!! But!! Interms of technology and refinement of the Leadout Train he is the clear favorite, while Cipo is a true playboy on the bike in style!
Also in modern style terms Cipo's style rival is Sagan
Cipo = James Bond, Cav = Paul Blart mall cop. (drops mic)
Those snaps of Cavendish advertising shampoo aren't exactly the best way to demonstrate that he's 'cool'... He looks like he's auditioning for a So Solid Crew cover band!
proud to see english supporting CIPO