And in the bigger picture, isn't it fitting that a new Best Marth almost always comes alongside the fall of the previous Best Marth? Ken was followed by Mew2King as Ken was close to retiring. And while Mew2King hasn't left Melee entirely, he was followed by Zain while shifting his focus away from singles competition. Melee has so many cool and beautiful storylines.
Zain lost Low Tier City 7 Game 10 from Winner's side against Hungrybox Zain lost The Big House 9 Game 10 from Winner's side against Mang0 Those heartbreak grand finals make him stronger to achieved something bigger :)
legit how do you not have 100k, your content is some of the best on the site! The quality of the editing, great commentary, and informative videos make for a great channel. Along with some absolute bops in the background!
Hey mate I see a lot of people saying they didn’t like the analysis and as much as I think I understand where they’re coming from, I’m just learning this game right now and a lot of the interaction you described in the mango set was mind blowing to me. I really appreciated the extra layer cuz I didn’t come to any of those conclusions just watching the set.
That was the goal for the segment, so I'm glad it was informative to you! I'll work on making something more accessible to everyone in the future though!
Zain is far and away my fave player right now. Its great to see him pick his strategies to optimize Marth, instead of picking Marth to optimize his strategies (as M2K does).
Some more songs for the playlist. Try and guess the player: -"I'm the best. Deal with it" Track is really long. West coast rap mixed with dubstep elements. People who were around when it was released hate it because it was so popular for so long. New generation likes it because they were too young to hear it when it came out. -Untitled. Uncredited. A mystery. Starts slow, gets surprisingly sick before fading into silence. It's the track that everyone talks about. -"Headspace." No lyrics, this is the kind of song you'd put in the background to study with, but is also sick enough to use on a workout playlist. Is a mixture of electronic and orchestral music, with a hint of southern twang. Lindsey Stirling provided electric violin solos.
I wasn't a huuge fan of the frame by frame analysis in the mango set, it felt like it put a halt to the flow of the video. I REALLY liked the analysis of the hbox set + the conclusion
Yeah, I'm a huge nerd about all the little details of melee but that analysis of mango's recovery on FD and zain's stadium combo dragged on so, SO long and didn't symbolize anything important enough to warrant it imo
Sorry about that! I usually try to include a blend of general breakdowns with some more specific things to appeal to all audiences, but I'll work on that for new videos!
fox's firefox is also a double edged sword though because you can just dair him with a bunch of characters and have your lag cut out because you get hit by the startup of firefox
was really enjoying the pacing of this until the sudden shift to frame by frame analysis of one moment in his set vs mango which was a pretty big immersion break. maybe i'll come back to this vid and finish it another time - still huge kudos for the work that you're putting in these
Sorry about that! In most of these video essays I've tried to include a blend of general breakdowns with some more specific concepts to appeal to more people, but it looks like I would've just been better off keeping it as a macro overview. Thanks for the comment!
Zain said on stream that uptilt wouldn't have hit. Zain isn't from the M2K cloth who never touches the yellow stick up, he uses it a hell of a lot more then one would think
Dreamland side platforms are higher than the side platforms in other stages like Battlefield and yoshi's so going for the up smash was probably the most guaranteed kill on Hbox's whiffed f-smash.
loved this video, but if i had to recommend something is not saying either obvious stuff or non important stuff, like saying the uptilt sent upwards when it clearly did and saying how long he was in hitstun framewise, i think it messes up the pace of the video. Big fan, just my opinion
Noted! I wanted to include the up tilt information since certain hitboxes can send at an 85 or 110 degree angle, which may be small but could still make a difference. I'll keep it in mind next time though, thanks for the comment!
I think Plup may be a big problem for Zain. There's also Axe. He's gonna need to consistently turn those MUs around to establish himself as #1. Also, stop doing the BOAT/GOAT thing. We know which player is both of those.
I'm not too sure what's so offensive about calling a player by their community-given nickname, but I'm sorry if that steered you away from the video! Hopefully you change your mind and give the full video a chance. Thanks for understanding!
turndownforwalt and asumsaus are by FAR the best melee channels (not including top players because the content is completely different)
c0rnflake is diferrent too but he's hype
I would add grsmash in there as well
On the more analytic side, SaveasUntitled is fun to listen to.
That really means a lot - thank you!
@@Flip-a-dip-dip I watch his streams sometimes but not really the youtube
And in the bigger picture, isn't it fitting that a new Best Marth almost always comes alongside the fall of the previous Best Marth?
Ken was followed by Mew2King as Ken was close to retiring. And while Mew2King hasn't left Melee entirely, he was followed by Zain while shifting his focus away from singles competition.
Melee has so many cool and beautiful storylines.
Ppmd
Hey alright
There can only be one king
There can only be 1 marf
this must be what the old school melee gods felt like. PC Chris, Korean DJ, Husband and Wife, SilentSpectre, Bombsoldier, Ken, Isai, I miss you.
Seeing the Sequence in slow motion over and over “wow this is such a complex game”. Watching in Full Speed “Oh my god”
It really feels like the full speed clip is even more sped up once you watch it in slow-mo!
The PLAN WAS SIMPLE
MOGUL MOVES
2:13 Mango's head is impressively large, and that's just something I feel like we as a community aren't talking about enough
Definitely a size 8 hat for sure
It is in more than one way lol
So does hungrybox
Your channel and Zain’s moves just keep getting better!!!
Thank you so much!
Zain lost Low Tier City 7 Game 10 from Winner's side against Hungrybox
Zain lost The Big House 9 Game 10 from Winner's side against Mang0
Those heartbreak grand finals make him stronger to achieved something bigger :)
The year of "almosts" is over!
legit how do you not have 100k, your content is some of the best on the site! The quality of the editing, great commentary, and informative videos make for a great channel. Along with some absolute bops in the background!
I really appreciate that! Maybe one day, but I think the channel is doing pretty well so far!
Perfect editing to account the moments. You have such a unique style in the melee community
couldn't have said it better myself!
I appreciate that! Glad you enjoyed!
Zain's track is Bigger When I Pivot
Sometimes, I pivot so hard, I SPRAIN MY THUMB
Hey mate I see a lot of people saying they didn’t like the analysis and as much as I think I understand where they’re coming from, I’m just learning this game right now and a lot of the interaction you described in the mango set was mind blowing to me. I really appreciated the extra layer cuz I didn’t come to any of those conclusions just watching the set.
That was the goal for the segment, so I'm glad it was informative to you! I'll work on making something more accessible to everyone in the future though!
Rewatching this now, it's really funny to hear that opening now that Zain has spent years as the best player in the world
Walt your editing is getting so damn good...
Thanks buddy!
love this. i stopped playing melee competitively but i still enjoy watching games and learning more about it. Thank you!
Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching!
I can’t believe I only just discovered this channel. Hella underrated channel
This video was emotional too, lov for zain
Greatest Melee content, thanks for your hard work!
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for the comment!
yet another amazing video! great content man love your analysis and take on everything. keep up the great work man!
Thanks a ton!
aaand here we are at the end of 2020 and zain is dominating. like, dominating..
Zain is far and away my fave player right now. Its great to see him pick his strategies to optimize Marth, instead of picking Marth to optimize his strategies (as M2K does).
I'm excited to see what he's able to do once tournaments are back in full swing!
OUR BOI MADE A TRUE MOGUL MOVE
I guess Zain got it right, 2020 melee is insane
Zain. What a gentleman and a scholar
7:34 That's not safe
Watching these sequences and breaking them down has an appeal of its own
Some more songs for the playlist. Try and guess the player:
-"I'm the best. Deal with it"
Track is really long. West coast rap mixed with dubstep elements. People who were around when it was released hate it because it was so popular for so long. New generation likes it because they were too young to hear it when it came out.
-Untitled. Uncredited. A mystery. Starts slow, gets surprisingly sick before fading into silence. It's the track that everyone talks about.
-"Headspace." No lyrics, this is the kind of song you'd put in the background to study with, but is also sick enough to use on a workout playlist. Is a mixture of electronic and orchestral music, with a hint of southern twang. Lindsey Stirling provided electric violin solos.
I kinda want a melee album now....
Maybe this one of my favorite videos from now.
That PS sequence was NUTS
“2020 will be insane” ohhhh zain how right you were. Just not the way you thought.
Zain is the M.O.A.T.
Marth of all time
the methodical thud of back air. That is both a callout and could be like a really good song.
Obligatory promoting Geoff Smash Music here
that was the sickest intro of all time
I wasn't a huuge fan of the frame by frame analysis in the mango set, it felt like it put a halt to the flow of the video. I REALLY liked the analysis of the hbox set + the conclusion
Yeah, I'm a huge nerd about all the little details of melee but that analysis of mango's recovery on FD and zain's stadium combo dragged on so, SO long and didn't symbolize anything important enough to warrant it imo
agreed
Sorry about that! I usually try to include a blend of general breakdowns with some more specific things to appeal to all audiences, but I'll work on that for new videos!
@@turndownforwalt dont be sorry!!!! It was still a fantastic video
Me: *reads title*
Me: "well, he beat everyone, of course"
fox's firefox is also a double edged sword though because you can just dair him with a bunch of characters and have your lag cut out because you get hit by the startup of firefox
OH MY GOD YOUR VIDEOS ARE SO FUCKING GOOOOODDDDDDD
i love your channel. A lot
Happy to hear that!
I remember watching a set from zain vs mikehaze, he got obliterated, now he obliterate us lol
Great stuff!
Those are some Mogal Moves
you are incredible at doing the youtubes
Thank you!
Great video man!
Thank you!
would love to see a vid like this on either leffen or plup, two new gens
Thanks for the comment! I'll see if I can pull anything together for either of them!
@@turndownforwalt nps dude keep up the good vids
Dude your videos are so good how did I just discover your channel
Easy sub
Thank you!
I'm ready for more Zainal.
“2020 melee with be insane!”.... yeah, about that
was really enjoying the pacing of this until the sudden shift to frame by frame analysis of one moment in his set vs mango which was a pretty big immersion break. maybe i'll come back to this vid and finish it another time - still huge kudos for the work that you're putting in these
Sorry about that! In most of these video essays I've tried to include a blend of general breakdowns with some more specific concepts to appeal to more people, but it looks like I would've just been better off keeping it as a macro overview. Thanks for the comment!
Great vid
Great Video, although I do believe the Upsmash on DL was a hasty UpTilt attempt, and there are plenty of reasons to think that
Zain said on stream that uptilt wouldn't have hit. Zain isn't from the M2K cloth who never touches the yellow stick up, he uses it a hell of a lot more then one would think
Dreamland side platforms are higher than the side platforms in other stages like Battlefield and yoshi's so going for the up smash was probably the most guaranteed kill on Hbox's whiffed f-smash.
Any marth main knows uptilt hardly hits ever on dreamland under plat. If ur going for a juggle you upair. Kill upsmash. Connects great on dreamland
That intro didn't include Ken, and I'm triggered about it
Quality content at 11.8k subs.
Amazing.
I'm glad you think so! Thank you!
Great video
Thanks!
im either too good or too bad to enjoy this one. keep up the good work tho
good work walt
Appreciate it buddy!
I saw a few comments saying the analysis messed with the pacing. I disagree. Whats the point in analyzing if you arent thorough
Thanks! I can definitely see where those comments are coming from, and I think it's something I can work on in the future!
If you don't want to watch the video, just know that Zain made a Mogul Move
What a Tycoon Tactic
@@turndownforwalt The Plan COULD NOT Have Been Any Simpler
Melee is a banger.
2:25 monumental WHAT 🤤🤤
😎
Melee is sickkkkk
What video are you referencing when you talk about Rishi?
It’s his “Decision-Making in Smash” video - I have it linked in the cards!
@@turndownforwalt big thanks m8
loved this video, but if i had to recommend something is not saying either obvious stuff or non important stuff, like saying the uptilt sent upwards when it clearly did and saying how long he was in hitstun framewise, i think it messes up the pace of the video.
Big fan, just my opinion
Noted! I wanted to include the up tilt information since certain hitboxes can send at an 85 or 110 degree angle, which may be small but could still make a difference. I'll keep it in mind next time though, thanks for the comment!
I think Plup may be a big problem for Zain. There's also Axe. He's gonna need to consistently turn those MUs around to establish himself as #1.
Also, stop doing the BOAT/GOAT thing. We know which player is both of those.
Zain did get super close versus Axe at their Smash Summit 9 set, so anything is possible!
Its because he was wearing those expensive ass shoes
Starting at Armada? Are we forgetting Ken, AZN and isai?
I guess it would be a greatest hit volume 2
Absolutely not! They could even make up their own album!
The writing for this video was amazing
Appreciate it!
14:50 lmao
The Robot by Mew2King is an underrated hit
The one that goes "Beep Boo-Boo Bop, Boo-Boo Beep"
I was like #1000 :o
Never forget armada is the goat and will always be the goat.
Mang0 ain't no goat lol
>video starts by calling Armada the BOAT and Mango the GOAT
That’s one of the quicker “i’m done with this” moments I’ve ever had lmao
just imagine
I'm not too sure what's so offensive about calling a player by their community-given nickname, but I'm sorry if that steered you away from the video!
Hopefully you change your mind and give the full video a chance. Thanks for understanding!
conclusions are correct but the analysis was boring and unnecessary
Sorry you feel that way!