3 TIMES!!!! I've now watched this episode 3 times. Little grenades exploding everywhere and I don't know what to do with it all. I teared up. I too wanted to worship. This may be the most profound episode to date.
Tim Mackie's teaching has so much more depth than I ever heard from anyone! I praise God for opening Tim's eyes & ears to share what he's learning with us! ❤
This maybe one of the best episodes you guys have had in a long time. They're all good, but this one was some anointed teaching for sure from Dr. Mackie.
Dr. Tim Mackie is the best at making orthodox faith sound like some new found doctrine he just discovered. It’s always like woah that’s new wait no I’ve always believed that. It’s just so much deeper
Sometime you learn something and feel smarter for it. Other times the knowledge of God penetrates the soul and moves you to worship. This episode offers both. I am filled with awe and wonder. Jesus is worthy!
I feel like I’ve been born again, again!! This is one of the most beautiful descriptions of the gospel I’ve ever come to understand 😭 How can we not give ourselves over to this Love? ❤️🔥
I can’t believe Remnant Radio doesn’t have hundreds of thousands of subs considered the guests they have and the conversations. This was so interesting, thanks guys!
I am sorry, but I cannot listen to this guy. I’ve been impressed with a lot of Your guests, but I think Tim is twisting theology. Am I correct to say that Tim says the fact that we are not immortal is a blessing? The bad things that humans do to one another was not so intended from the beginning. How can you have someone like Dr Michael Heiser on your show and agree with him (and I have to add that Dr Heiser proves his opinions from Scripture) and then have Prof Tim with his highly speculative views and also agree with him?
@@TheRemnantRadio; apologies for replying in the midst of a reply… haven’t figured out how to use the @ sign to make a new reply to one specific person etc… Anyways… I’ve been watching the program (found this channel recently); been enjoying the content. Came across this episode with Tim Mackie and the mention of The Bible Project. From that searched for The Bible Project… then as you may know once you will see various videos and sometimes videos etc will show up “coming against “ a particular person… in genuine search to just know and potentially learn something… found some teaching(s) from Tim Mackie regarding Hell (not a real place). What have y’all found on this or has this even been looked into? Thoughts?
@@TheRemnantRadio I am so glad that Tim Mackie came on your show. I have listened to him speak on difficult theological matters but he explained these in simple terms and showed how he came to his conclusions, by using Scripture, the original language and meaning - and the pattern seen throughout the Bible. Some things may be new to us, but with study we can also understand them. I love when he said that Hell is essentially about getting what we most desire - to have nothing to do with Christ - to live away from the joyous presence of God. That is Hell!
Great interview with one of my all time favorite Bible teachers. The Bible Project is so awesome- been following it for several years. Thanks for all your hard work to bring such high quality content and guests.
So glad y'all are back. I would also like to say, we have many theological differences, but you make the show so amicable. It's so open and honest and truly lives up to the vision that you've spoken, to be a place for people of different backgrounds to come together and discuss these topics. Good work, and like I say, great work!
By far one of the most enlightening discussions on the tree of life and the vision on choice, surrendering. While discussing Sarah being a desirable as the fruit was, makes me think of how we are "trees of righteousness the planting of the Lord", we are made desirable when we are his, for his purposes. Good stuff, thanks.
I've had a thought. If the cross is presented as the new tree of life, then bear with me- Jesus is the fruit on the tree. So this brings a whole new meaning to communion- when we are eating and drinking the blood and body of Jesus, we are taking the fruit from the tree of life. Maybe that's a stretch but If true wow that's profound 😳
Beautiful, and I love dr. Mackies' references to musical themes in symphonies. 🎼✞ I've never really understood how much biblical themes come together. Can't wait for dr. Keener's series - big fan.
I can't express with words how blessed I am to watch and understand what is here explained by Dr. Mackie and the interviewers. You guys bring hope for our future! Jesus Christ has his holy remnant today's days! God bless and protect you guys!
Hi Tim, I just realised, with the clarity of Humanity being created outside the Garden. Why we die after eating from the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. It is because the Biblical understanding of knowledge is inclusive of experience. So to have a knowledge of Evil means we have actually committed Evil I.e. experienced it or more bluntly done it. Bless you guys and have a Very Merry Christmas. Good to know my little bit of money each month is very well spent.
Remnant radio!!! Your channel is an answered prayer! In some sense, this is what I have desired “church” to be. It’s so refreshing to view your channel, and to feel all of my misplaced anger at past poor teachings and my self righteous attitude well up within me, and then to take a deep breath and just let these videos play. I get to learn what it’s like to have good discourse about all things that involve following Christ. So many people’s convictions that I would normally just ignorantly write off as wrong or stupid are actually nuanced positions, that if I were in the persons shoes, I’d probably believe the same things, at least for the most part-not including the truly concerning errors from some of the guests. You guys show us that there’s so much plurality in the minds of all of our sincere brothers and sisters who want to follow Jesus. You show us what it’s like to coexist with one another despite our differences! I know that reproof is a regular part of maturing in Christ and I need it. These videos humble me. We are the family of God, and you are awesome brothers! Thank you for what you do!
One of the fine details I have come to enjoy about Remnant Radio broadcasts is the way that Josh really pronounces the "H" in "Wh---" words. Reminds me of the scene from Hot Rod when they're talking about the code word "whiskey"
Yes, it's really cute, also how he says s+ consonant kinda like sh+consonant. I'm not a native English speaker, so all the variations are of great interest to me 😊
I've always been amused by the "H" pronunciation as well. I don't know where he's from but I'm going to take a good guess it's somewhere in the South lol.
This has been my favourite show on remnant yet, Tim Mackie's insight blows my mind, ministers to my spirit and touches my heart, agree with Micheal it brings you to a place of awe in Christ and the Word and the Father's plan. Life 2.0.....in accordance with God's desires.
Can’t get enough of Bible project. I’m not a genius but I’m very curious. Sometimes when you’re really smart you think you know it all. I like soaking up the classroom series .
What about John 7:38 speaking of rivers of living water flowing from those who believe in Jesus and how that relates to The Tree being on "either" side of the River of Life in Revelation? That's some strong imagery.
I love the Bible project. Still trying to wrap my head around some of the interpretations concerning Genesis, creation, garden, etc over the last couple years. William Lane Craig was the first person I heard interpret Garden, etc. not being literal. It seems Mackie holds feels they way, too. I’m not sure why he just won’t explicitly come out and say that. I lean towards these accounts being literal, but Mackie makes some great points. Still, it seems like whenever people people use figurative lenses to interpret some part of Genesis, the connections made seem forced or so much onus is put on one word and that one word seems to force an entire interpretation/narrative that’s just not there or that seems like a stretch. This has definitely given me some things to think about. Good episode, nonetheless.
I think Tim makes a point of not being too dogmatic with his beliefs - he always mentions how he’s willing to hear other views and change his mind on these tertiary issues. But regarding the words, I think it’s more a stretch in English as opposed to the original Hebrew- all down to hermeneutic I guess
@@tomdonn6814 I just don’t think Tim is clear. I guess, for me, I’d rather him just explicitly state what he believes. I understand that English words will never be 100 percent match when it comes to conveying certain things. Still, I feel those who don’t hold a literal interpretation take one word and force a lot more into chunks of text. A trigger happiness, for lack of better word, occurs. It’s the same thing I see with preterist views of scripture and how it’s “figurative and apocalyptic” in the instances it comports with a persons view, but is not applied in other instances. I still find it odd that Jesus uses a literal interpretation that seems to be glossed over by those who hold a figurative view.
Surrendering what we think is good is such a profound teaching. Indeed, even when we think something is the right choice we might actually be wrong so we should rely on God in all things and not lean on our own understanding.
I passed away for 7 minutes, I ended up in front of 2 trees ! They were big as mountains. People were going up to the trees and I knew I had to go up there! I never heard of it until my death experience!
Thank you for this - as always, so much food for thought (careful which fruit to pick in that!). I love how well you guys facilitate conversation, seek clarification, and also the fresh but Biblical perspectives Dr. Tim brings to the floor. It’s ridiculous but I don’t think I’ve ever truly thought through that Adam was formed out with the garden and then placed in it… can’t believe I never really thought of the implications of that.
A great podcast. Two comments that are highly relevant to the discussion. Regarding demons we know why some demons are in hell and others aren't and I realize that Tim said he couldn't explain it. However, it's explained in both Enoch, but specifically Jubilees that Yahweh was approached by the spirits of the Nephilim, and they requested not to be sent to hell, and he allowed a 10th of whatever their number was to remain on earth as jubilees describes to specifically torment, unbelievers, implying that they would be the ones who would provide the discipline, or the momentum to get people back on track towards Yahweh. And we know that Yahweh does not do evil so, in this case, he allowed evil entities to be present on earth in some number, and those are the demons which we read about in the New Testament. The second observation I would say is that of the fruit and the eating as described in the latter half of your podcast. Tim mentions how Jesus in the wilderness, if he chose to get food for himself, would be not trusting in the father. We know that when he did eat, it came from the father. But more importantly, eating, or the act thereof is to internalize whatever we are taking upon ourselves in the active eating. So eating is analogous to internalizing something within us. So when Adam and Eve ate of the tree, they internalized and brought with in themselves that aspect of wrongful choice, which is inherently in all of us. So just wanted to note eating is also analogous if not a metaphor for the internalization of our choices.
Fascinating explanation of the meaning, I was wondering for so many years about this topic. Thank you so much, let the Lord bless you both. Greetings from Slovenia.
Hi Remnant Guys, this is one of my favorite episodes and topics of the Bible ever, thanks! Can I ask if the Jesus being the Vine and us being the branches being connected to that. Did you guys hear Tim's response to the TGC article about God's wrath? He believes in it, but him having an explaination for what happened. I'm always motivated to read's God's word since then, thanks Remnant, Tim Mackie, Mike Winger, and Jeff Durbin.
This was a particularly great episode. Probably my favorite one. I love hearing different perspectives and appreciated his critical thinking on this subject.
1:01:16 I find it so interesting that in the middle of the Garden Of Eden were two trees, The Tree Of Life and The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil and a river...and then here in Revelation you two trees and a river in the middle of this new Eden city...but this time they are both The Tree Of Life. Two of one. Also seems to be mirrored in the fact that you have God and The Lamb in the middle garden and a River beneath their throne. Two but one. Perhaps the river is God's Spirit of Life flowing out into all creation in both accounts? Thinking even further I'm curious of how in the original garden you have two Trees to choose from but one leads to death and one to life but in the new garden you have two trees to choose from but both lead to life. It makes me contemplate thoughts about how there being a new heaven and earth where we still have free will but the choices we pursue will all lead to life and wholeness because of a renewed mind and a glorified body through Christ. I also wonder if in that world we will look back at the horrors of the previous world and the pollution sin caused as a memorial in time and space to perpetually remind us of what creation looks like under the rule of humans who've eaten from the Tree of Knowledge. I'd love to hear the thoughts of people like Tim Mackie on these things like this. I find it sooo interesting. Maybe I'm just overthinking the concepts. lol
Ohhh heavens!! I've been wondering what the heck that passage was about.. because what Abraham did was repeated by Isaiah and Jacob, I think. Maybe not Jacob but definitely Isaiah. I love how Tim explains these biblical secrets. I'm wiggly with excitement about God's word. How exciting!
Always love listening to Tim. It seem that one could grant that death was “natural,” mankind having arisen from dust, but apart from the tree of life they would not maintain that life. The mere fact that Adam and Eve were separated from the tree of life does not mean the never ate of it. If the tree either provided sustenance for life or represented God’s special provision of it, then it makes sense that they were partaking of it, as all the trees were given as food, and being deprived of it would result in the loss of what it was providing. Its just a minor point, but seems more consistent with the narrative that God was already providing them life; what they did not yet have was the moral fortitude that comes from the maturity of testing. (As a side point, Augustine says, that Adam and Eve were able to sin. Obedience while not “earning” them eternal life, was maintaining and advancing their holy character. The breach of this creation obedience obligation, was remedied in Jesus’ obedience, which is the restoration of the creation covenant. This is consistent with what has been called bi-covenantalism (the idea that Jesus’ obedience to God’s or moral authority is relevant to our salvation, Heb 10:9)). I guess, the difference is that Tim sees the tree associated with immortal life, life 2.0, which is a different quality of life, while I’ve been inclined to see the tree of life as providing eternal life, it’s just that it was continuously provided, until they sinned. They were separated from the tree so that it would not continue to eat it and live in sin forever. What is unique in the life that Christ restores us to isn’t a different kind of eternal life, per se, but rather its mature permanence. On the whole, the issue of natural death, it seems, impacts or has implication for at least two separate issues: conditional immortality, and biological evolution. Great discussion. Very thought provoking and beautiful.
How do you reconcile this view of Genesis 2/3 with the punishments inflicted on Adam/Eve/Serpent. These punishments suggest a fundamental change to state of being beyond a missed opportunity.
Thoroughly enjoyed this broadcast. Have you ever interviewed folks like Paul Young, Steve McVey or C. Baxter Kruger on your show? They represent in a way my current tribe in the kingdom. It would be nice to hear from them.
I had a thought while listening: Jesus on the cross representing the tree of Life and the law representing the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? What do you guys think?
Just starting to listen but want to ask the questions I always have before i forget. First, I find it interesting that God made Adam then planted trees in a garden. How was it a garden without trees that weren’t planted yet? And he planted the garden in a place of Eden. How is Eden considered Eden before the garden was in it? Adam was living with no food since he was outside of Eden and the garden wasn’t planted. Ps. Just finished listening and our family tree now appears much bigger to me.
I don't buy that they never ate from it as it's a one time deal. Otherwise, had they eaten from it first and THEN disobeyed you'd have a conundrum. It makes more sense to be a sustaining life as its nutrients prevent sickness and aging.
Had to pause. Adams lifespan of 930 years. You guys commented on in the day he ate of it he didn't die because he lived for centuries. Psalm 90:42 Peter 3:8 1,000 years is a day with the Lord. From Adam to Noah all less than 1,000 years (1 day) cut off from the fruit of the tree of life. Compare that to the lifespans recorded for the Sumerian king list.
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3 TIMES!!!! I've now watched this episode 3 times. Little grenades exploding everywhere and I don't know what to do with it all. I teared up. I too wanted to worship. This may be the most profound episode to date.
I always have to listen and listen and listen to Tim Mackie. And then, finally, meditate.
I agree. The part about Abraham surrendering his moral judgement is profound.
Tim Mackie's teaching has so much more depth than I ever heard from anyone!
I praise God for opening Tim's eyes & ears to share what he's learning with us! ❤
Absolutely phenomenal, absolutely stunning.
This maybe one of the best episodes you guys have had in a long time. They're all good, but this one was some anointed teaching for sure from Dr. Mackie.
Dr. Tim Mackie is the best at making orthodox faith sound like some new found doctrine he just discovered. It’s always like woah that’s new wait no I’ve always believed that. It’s just so much deeper
You may have hit the nail on the head!
Sometime you learn something and feel smarter for it. Other times the knowledge of God penetrates the soul and moves you to worship. This episode offers both. I am filled with awe and wonder. Jesus is worthy!
Love this comment, I felt it too : ]
Absolutely amazing!
Tim always challenges my heart to expand so that the Lord can fill it with a deeper fascination of who He is.
Hallelujah!
I feel like I’ve been born again, again!! This is one of the most beautiful descriptions of the gospel I’ve ever come to understand 😭 How can we not give ourselves over to this Love? ❤️🔥
I can’t believe Remnant Radio doesn’t have hundreds of thousands of subs considered the guests they have and the conversations. This was so interesting, thanks guys!
Awe. Thanks Louisa
I am sorry, but I cannot listen to this guy. I’ve been impressed with a lot of
Your guests, but I think Tim is twisting theology. Am I correct to say that Tim
says the fact that we are not immortal is a blessing? The bad things that humans do to one another was not so intended from the beginning. How can you have someone like Dr Michael Heiser on your show and agree with him (and I have to add that Dr Heiser proves his opinions from Scripture) and then have Prof Tim with his highly speculative views and also agree with him?
@@TheRemnantRadio; apologies for replying in the midst of a reply… haven’t figured out how to use the @ sign to make a new reply to one specific person etc…
Anyways… I’ve been watching the program (found this channel recently); been enjoying the content. Came across this episode with Tim Mackie and the mention of The Bible Project. From that searched for The Bible Project… then as you may know once you will see various videos and sometimes videos etc will show up “coming against “ a particular person… in genuine search to just know and potentially learn something… found some teaching(s) from Tim Mackie regarding Hell (not a real place). What have y’all found on this or has this even been looked into? Thoughts?
@@TheRemnantRadio I am so glad that Tim Mackie came on your show. I have listened to him speak on difficult theological matters
but he explained these in simple terms and showed how he came to his conclusions, by using Scripture, the original language and meaning
- and the pattern seen throughout the Bible. Some things may be new to us, but with study we can also understand them.
I love when he said that Hell is essentially about getting what we most desire - to have nothing to do with Christ - to live away from
the joyous presence of God. That is Hell!
Baffling and paradoxical ideas explained so well by Tim.
The Bible is amazing!
Great interview with one of my all time favorite Bible teachers. The Bible Project is so awesome- been following it for several years. Thanks for all your hard work to bring such high quality content and guests.
So glad y'all are back. I would also like to say, we have many theological differences, but you make the show so amicable. It's so open and honest and truly lives up to the vision that you've spoken, to be a place for people of different backgrounds to come together and discuss these topics. Good work, and like I say, great work!
By far one of the most enlightening discussions on the tree of life and the vision on choice, surrendering. While discussing Sarah being a desirable as the fruit was, makes me think of how we are "trees of righteousness the planting of the Lord", we are made desirable when we are his, for his purposes. Good stuff, thanks.
Praise God, so many things just opened up to me!! This is a blessings.
So good guys! Made my heart just burst in song and praise to Jesus!
Tim Mackie and his ministry has impacted my physical life and covenantal life more than any other ministry. May God bless him and his family!
I've had a thought. If the cross is presented as the new tree of life, then bear with me- Jesus is the fruit on the tree. So this brings a whole new meaning to communion- when we are eating and drinking the blood and body of Jesus, we are taking the fruit from the tree of life. Maybe that's a stretch but If true wow that's profound 😳
Wow!
Great thought! It’s amazing the way this story written by so many different authors connects in so many amazing ways from beginning to end.
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No the cross is a torture device. And just like war and murder your cult worships this garbage too
@@deeschoe1245 we don't worship torture my freind. Yes many people have mis used scripture to justify torture - we worship Jesus
Absolutely love this episode! Amazing teaching on the total surrender to the desire of God. Thank you, guys - greetings from Norway
Amen! Total surrender of the self soul to the Spirit of God. God IS a spirit and those who worship Him MUST worship Him in Spirit AND in Truth.
WOW, what glorious connections, God thought of EVERYTHING as He knit His word together!
Beautiful, and I love dr. Mackies' references to musical themes in symphonies. 🎼✞ I've never really understood how much biblical themes come together. Can't wait for dr. Keener's series - big fan.
Tim Mackie is Great!!! ❤thank you
Thank you for having Tim on your show! So appreciate his teaching!
I can't express with words how blessed I am to watch and understand what is here explained by Dr. Mackie and the interviewers. You guys bring hope for our future! Jesus Christ has his holy remnant today's days! God bless and protect you guys!
We need Tim back on for a few more episodes!
Hi Tim, I just realised, with the clarity of Humanity being created outside the Garden.
Why we die after eating from the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil.
It is because the Biblical understanding of knowledge is inclusive of experience.
So to have a knowledge of Evil means we have actually committed Evil I.e. experienced it or more bluntly done it.
Bless you guys and have a Very Merry Christmas.
Good to know my little bit of money each month is very well spent.
Thanks for reminding me I need to pray : NOT MY WILL (MY DESIRE), BUT YOUR WILL (YOUR DESIRE) FATHER!
I have learned so much from Tim. I never realized how cool the Bible really is.
Remnant radio!!! Your channel is an answered prayer! In some sense, this is what I have desired “church” to be. It’s so refreshing to view your channel, and to feel all of my misplaced anger at past poor teachings and my self righteous attitude well up within me, and then to take a deep breath and just let these videos play. I get to learn what it’s like to have good discourse about all things that involve following Christ. So many people’s convictions that I would normally just ignorantly write off as wrong or stupid are actually nuanced positions, that if I were in the persons shoes, I’d probably believe the same things, at least for the most part-not including the truly concerning errors from some of the guests. You guys show us that there’s so much plurality in the minds of all of our sincere brothers and sisters who want to follow Jesus. You show us what it’s like to coexist with one another despite our differences! I know that reproof is a regular part of maturing in Christ and I need it. These videos humble me. We are the family of God, and you are awesome brothers! Thank you for what you do!
One of the fine details I have come to enjoy about Remnant Radio broadcasts is the way that Josh really pronounces the "H" in "Wh---" words. Reminds me of the scene from Hot Rod when they're talking about the code word "whiskey"
Yes, it's really cute, also how he says s+ consonant kinda like sh+consonant. I'm not a native English speaker, so all the variations are of great interest to me 😊
I've always been amused by the "H" pronunciation as well. I don't know where he's from but I'm going to take a good guess it's somewhere in the South lol.
Hahahaha! Favorite comment of all time!
Yeahhh idk how to stop it lol.
I’m super excited about your upcoming series on Mark. I am currently going verse by verse thru Mark on Mike Winger’s channel.
RR and BP gifts to the body of Christ---continue with courage
Thank you! This is incredible! Rich meat of the Word of Yahweh! Thank You Yeshua❤️
This has been my favourite show on remnant yet, Tim Mackie's insight blows my mind, ministers to my spirit and touches my heart, agree with Micheal it brings you to a place of awe in Christ and the Word and the Father's plan. Life 2.0.....in accordance with God's desires.
Loved. Loved. Loved This..
Can’t get enough of Bible project. I’m not a genius but I’m very curious. Sometimes when you’re really smart you think you know it all. I like soaking up the classroom series .
Bruh. This was something, man. Always knew the Tree of Life begged more questions than were given to it, but boy oh boy.
What about John 7:38 speaking of rivers of living water flowing from those who believe in Jesus and how that relates to The Tree being on "either" side of the River of Life in Revelation? That's some strong imagery.
Love Tim Mackie and the Bible Project. This is a fascinating and eye-opening discussion 💕
Thanks for remnant radio!
I love the Bible project. Still trying to wrap my head around some of the interpretations concerning Genesis, creation, garden, etc over the last couple years. William Lane Craig was the first person I heard interpret Garden, etc. not being literal. It seems Mackie holds feels they way, too. I’m not sure why he just won’t explicitly come out and say that.
I lean towards these accounts being literal, but Mackie makes some great points. Still, it seems like whenever people people use figurative lenses to interpret some part of Genesis, the connections made seem forced or so much onus is put on one word and that one word seems to force an entire interpretation/narrative that’s just not there or that seems like a stretch. This has definitely given me some things to think about. Good episode, nonetheless.
I think Tim makes a point of not being too dogmatic with his beliefs - he always mentions how he’s willing to hear other views and change his mind on these tertiary issues. But regarding the words, I think it’s more a stretch in English as opposed to the original Hebrew- all down to hermeneutic I guess
@@tomdonn6814 I just don’t think Tim is clear. I guess, for me, I’d rather him just explicitly state what he believes. I understand that English words will never be 100 percent match when it comes to conveying certain things. Still, I feel those who don’t hold a literal interpretation take one word and force a lot more into chunks of text. A trigger happiness, for lack of better word, occurs. It’s the same thing I see with preterist views of scripture and how it’s “figurative and apocalyptic” in the instances it comports with a persons view, but is not applied in other instances.
I still find it odd that Jesus uses a literal interpretation that seems to be glossed over by those who hold a figurative view.
I just love Tim Mackie
Surrendering what we think is good is such a profound teaching. Indeed, even when we think something is the right choice we might actually be wrong so we should rely on God in all things and not lean on our own understanding.
I passed away for 7 minutes, I ended up in front of 2 trees ! They were big as mountains. People were going up to the trees and I knew I had to go up there! I never heard of it until my death experience!
AMEN and AMEN! Thank you and thank you!
My mind is being blown!🤯🙏❤ Wow!!!
What a great talk!
Thank you for this - as always, so much food for thought (careful which fruit to pick in that!). I love how well you guys facilitate conversation, seek clarification, and also the fresh but Biblical perspectives Dr. Tim brings to the floor. It’s ridiculous but I don’t think I’ve ever truly thought through that Adam was formed out with the garden and then placed in it… can’t believe I never really thought of the implications of that.
A great podcast. Two comments that are highly relevant to the discussion. Regarding demons we know why some demons are in hell and others aren't and I realize that Tim said he couldn't explain it. However, it's explained in both Enoch, but specifically Jubilees that Yahweh was approached by the spirits of the Nephilim, and they requested not to be sent to hell, and he allowed a 10th of whatever their number was to remain on earth as jubilees describes to specifically torment, unbelievers, implying that they would be the ones who would provide the discipline, or the momentum to get people back on track towards Yahweh. And we know that Yahweh does not do evil so, in this case, he allowed evil entities to be present on earth in some number, and those are the demons which we read about in the New Testament. The second observation I would say is that of the fruit and the eating as described in the latter half of your podcast. Tim mentions how Jesus in the wilderness, if he chose to get food for himself, would be not trusting in the father. We know that when he did eat, it came from the father. But more importantly, eating, or the act thereof is to internalize whatever we are taking upon ourselves in the active eating. So eating is analogous to internalizing something within us. So when Adam and Eve ate of the tree, they internalized and brought with in themselves that aspect of wrongful choice, which is inherently in all of us. So just wanted to note eating is also analogous if not a metaphor for the internalization of our choices.
Fascinating explanation of the meaning, I was wondering for so many years about this topic. Thank you so much, let the Lord bless you both. Greetings from Slovenia.
Hi Remnant Guys, this is one of my favorite episodes and topics of the Bible ever, thanks! Can I ask if the Jesus being the Vine and us being the branches being connected to that. Did you guys hear Tim's response to the TGC article about God's wrath? He believes in it, but him having an explaination for what happened. I'm always motivated to read's God's word since then, thanks Remnant, Tim Mackie, Mike Winger, and Jeff Durbin.
Mind. Blown. Always love listening to you Tim!
This was a particularly great episode. Probably my favorite one. I love hearing different perspectives and appreciated his critical thinking on this subject.
The video was over and I was like "that was the best 11 minutes of my life" just to close out and look at the ACTUAL length of the video. Wow.
These folks have taught me a bunch in the last 5 years. We use their material at Church on the Move in Tulsa Oklahoma in some of our Midsize groups.
So insightful.....!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shoutout to my friend Ryan at Kairos Classroom! Great dude. I may brush up on my Greek over there at some point, myself.
Speechless 😶 Thankful for remnant radio and Tim Mackie!
This episode is 🔥🔥🔥mindblown 🤯
I am in awe. How come I can’t read the Bible and see this????? Bro. Am I blind!!? This makes so much sense!
Thank you soooooo much!!! Your work is amazing ! Life changing ! I’m dyslexic but I love to learn, so if I don’t have to read I’m happy
1:01:16 I find it so interesting that in the middle of the Garden Of Eden were two trees, The Tree Of Life and The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil and a river...and then here in Revelation you two trees and a river in the middle of this new Eden city...but this time they are both The Tree Of Life.
Two of one.
Also seems to be mirrored in the fact that you have God and The Lamb in the middle garden and a River beneath their throne. Two but one. Perhaps the river is God's Spirit of Life flowing out into all creation in both accounts?
Thinking even further I'm curious of how in the original garden you have two Trees to choose from but one leads to death and one to life but in the new garden you have two trees to choose from but both lead to life.
It makes me contemplate thoughts about how there being a new heaven and earth where we still have free will but the choices we pursue will all lead to life and wholeness because of a renewed mind and a glorified body through Christ.
I also wonder if in that world we will look back at the horrors of the previous world and the pollution sin caused as a memorial in time and space to perpetually remind us of what creation looks like under the rule of humans who've eaten from the Tree of Knowledge.
I'd love to hear the thoughts of people like Tim Mackie on these things like this. I find it sooo interesting. Maybe I'm just overthinking the concepts. lol
First time seeing one of your videos and it was so good! Thank you so much for such great conversation and content!
So much good stuff in here.
Ohhh heavens!! I've been wondering what the heck that passage was about.. because what Abraham did was repeated by Isaiah and Jacob, I think. Maybe not Jacob but definitely Isaiah.
I love how Tim explains these biblical secrets. I'm wiggly with excitement about God's word. How exciting!
Pretty amazing points.
This insight is incredible. So much in here. Thank you!
I could listen to TM speak for days.
This was an enriching discussion
Thank you so very much 😊🙏!
Always love listening to Tim. It seem that one could grant that death was “natural,” mankind having arisen from dust, but apart from the tree of life they would not maintain that life. The mere fact that Adam and Eve were separated from the tree of life does not mean the never ate of it. If the tree either provided sustenance for life or represented God’s special provision of it, then it makes sense that they were partaking of it, as all the trees were given as food, and being deprived of it would result in the loss of what it was providing. Its just a minor point, but seems more consistent with the narrative that God was already providing them life; what they did not yet have was the moral fortitude that comes from the maturity of testing.
(As a side point, Augustine says, that Adam and Eve were able to sin. Obedience while not “earning” them eternal life, was maintaining and advancing their holy character. The breach of this creation obedience obligation, was remedied in Jesus’ obedience, which is the restoration of the creation covenant. This is consistent with what has been called bi-covenantalism (the idea that Jesus’ obedience to God’s or moral authority is relevant to our salvation, Heb 10:9)).
I guess, the difference is that Tim sees the tree associated with immortal life, life 2.0, which is a different quality of life, while I’ve been inclined to see the tree of life as providing eternal life, it’s just that it was continuously provided, until they sinned. They were separated from the tree so that it would not continue to eat it and live in sin forever. What is unique in the life that Christ restores us to isn’t a different kind of eternal life, per se, but rather its mature permanence.
On the whole, the issue of natural death, it seems, impacts or has implication for at least two separate issues: conditional immortality, and biological evolution.
Great discussion. Very thought provoking and beautiful.
How do you reconcile this view of Genesis 2/3 with the punishments inflicted on Adam/Eve/Serpent. These punishments suggest a fundamental change to state of being beyond a missed opportunity.
Thanx, Gentlemen 🌹🌹🌹
PLEASE UPLOAD THIS TO SPOTIFY! I need it to hear it on the car!
34:10 I love the illustration he gave!
I had to watch thebibleproject videos in my Old Testament classes at school.
Such a great interview! Rich with things to meditate on in the Word.
Thank you
May God give us the grace to live for him in the way that pleases him.
Tim is such a blessing
Thoroughly enjoyed this broadcast. Have you ever interviewed folks like Paul Young, Steve McVey or C. Baxter Kruger on your show? They represent in a way my current tribe in the kingdom. It would be nice to hear from them.
So good thanks. How do we know when it's a desire he gave us....delight in the Lord and he will give us the desires of OUR heart
This teaching is amazing!
Thank you Tim Mackie ! !
I love the Bible project
It is sad how short English falls compared to the Hebrew. That poetic language is amazing.
I had a thought while listening: Jesus on the cross representing the tree of Life and the law representing the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? What do you guys think?
Same here
Just starting to listen but want to ask the questions I always have before i forget.
First, I find it interesting that God made Adam then planted trees in a garden. How was it a garden without trees that weren’t planted yet? And he planted the garden in a place of Eden. How is Eden considered Eden before the garden was in it? Adam was living with no food since he was outside of Eden and the garden wasn’t planted.
Ps. Just finished listening and our family tree now appears much bigger to me.
How very fascinating!!! Thank you, Tim for all these wonderful, valuable insights 🙏
Have you ever spoken to Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou?
EXCELLENT
Sarah becoming the forbidden tree and Abraham becoming the deceiving snake is MIND BLOWING!!
I love how this man mind works
AMAZING
Wow this was so good.
WOW...this was awesome
4:25 yet this is exactly what most Christians do. You decide what denomination, what canon, what translation, etc
I don't buy that they never ate from it as it's a one time deal. Otherwise, had they eaten from it first and THEN disobeyed you'd have a conundrum. It makes more sense to be a sustaining life as its nutrients prevent sickness and aging.
Yeah, while I think Tim does have some good insights, I do struggle to agree with his views on that bit.
Hey Joshua… your tshirt caught my eye…what’s your tie to FB of Lake Waccamaw?? I’m from there!
Ahh my best friend pastors the SBC church there.
That’s funny that you could read it lol
When did the first four books of NT become the Gospel?
Had to pause. Adams lifespan of 930 years. You guys commented on in the day he ate of it he didn't die because he lived for centuries. Psalm 90:42 Peter 3:8
1,000 years is a day with the Lord. From Adam to Noah all less than 1,000 years (1 day) cut off from the fruit of the tree of life.
Compare that to the lifespans recorded for the Sumerian king list.
What looks like death to me is Jesus offering me life. I think that changed my life forever.