For anyone that is (rightfully) mad at the foul system, Engin has officially announced that the rule will from now on change and it will be a win for the dominant competitor instead of a foul restart by the pinned competitor
@@gadeonmusic yes but losing position is subjective to referees. Wouldn't want to be in their shoes at this level of competition. Hats of to them to try to balance fairness and a good fight.
@@gadeonmusic Sometimes the foul happens close to the center, and it just looks like a losing position foul because of the fast surge of the opponent. Now it doesnt matter how close to the center the foul is; if you get flashed , you simply lose no matter when you fouled
Ayane really deserves another match. She showed a very entertaining performance. ❤. She dominated the match but lose due to the loopholes in the rules. She's people's champ.
After the fuss I've heard about this match and now watching the footage of it, I really do hope Ayane will have another shot at the title, or even let her have more matches. This arm fight, despite looking ugly for me, it is what it is. Dimitrina did take some legit rounds and props to her. She was more technical, I guess. Ayane looked so strong and I hope she learns from this fight.
17:52 wtf, Dimitrina is just losing on her side of the table. Anybody can just slide underneath, lose hand, lose pronation, try to slip from underneath but end up on your side. Those elbow fouls are ridiculous, Dimitrina was pulled so hard, she was taken off the pad, she gained no position, she was being dominated. If anything it's an intentional foul from losing position.
The only sane comment in this comment section. Everybody else seems to be just sucking up for the Japanese for some reason. She's great(I like her too) but people need to calm down a bit and let reality have its say. This unconventional love towards Takenaka is evident by the fact that not a single comment is supporting Petrova and giving her any props for winning the match. She didn't do anything wrong. She was a better arm wrestler here and she won. The End.
@@kaenchuli_Nevla Has nothing to do with Petrova being a better armwrestler, they both got 2 legit rounds on each other. The difference came down to ref's nulling 2 of Ayane's win's due to Petrova's elbow being pulled forward off the pad (not even Petrova moving it there, her whole body was pulled). A foul is something Petrova does, she was not even in control of herself being pulled off. The other issue being the winning on her side of the table, despite her hand being fully turned over trying to run away. All 3 of these matches were due to refs and the fault of the existing rule system. Ayane had 2 wins stolen and 1 win gifted to her opponent (very least should've been a restart). 3 matches overturned in a best of 7 completely changes the game.
I think this is a big setback in arm wrestling that when they review they dont show the viewers and i think that if we want arm wrestling to become a world class sport we have to make these improvements because reviews are always shown in big sports with better working scorecards
I passed through so much anger watching this fight in live, it was a lot of frustration watching this absurd, i'm glad dat Engin changed rules after this shame.
Tbh Ayane lost fair and square.. She got two pins at the start , Next round Dmitrina flop pressed and ayanes hand was on the losing side of the table, even though her hand was on top of Dimitrinas at the end, the pin was for Dimitri because ayanes hand went below the pin pad over the opponenets winning side. Next round both go into hook, Dmitri elbow slips off the pad at the start, and is given an elbow foul.. Last two rounds Dimitrina wins decisively in a hook. Even if that elbow foul was counted as a pin for ayane, Dimitrina still would've won 4:3.. They both did their best and Dimitrina came out on top and got the win!
Да отдали ей победу просто, Димитрина разрывала захват движением вниз, тоесть уход умышленный(вроде 3 раунд), это проигрышь, но судьи не обратили внимание. Аиана победила!
I’d been waiting to see this controversial match to makeup my own mind, although I always hate to see hard earned pins nullified by BS rules or elbow fouls, But I still think Petrova deserved the win that was decided by her endurance, But can’t wait to see Ayane compete again.
The point is that Ayane should've won early and it should never have come down to endurance. Imagine if Levan pinned Devon multiple times but it didn't count, and then Devon keeps f*cking him in the set up and finally wins. Would you say that's fair?
@@levansaginashviliskidney8726 I see your point, But it would’ve still been difficult for Ayane’s endurance being that it was a 4 of 7 match, But I definitely became a big fan of Ayane’s.
RUclips algorithm boosting comment 💪 ... VERY cool to see new super talented pullers like this on the big stage for many of us that r not familiar with them. no losers in the match really!
Wow, this was the closest match one could imagine, had there been no elbow fouls in round 3 and 4, Ayana would have taken the title, I believe. Round 3 was the turning point after the elbow foul and referees' review (then it became 2-1). Then in round four Ayana pined Dimitra again but was an elbow foul again. We must complement both athletes, for this incredible match, could have gone either way and this TOTALLY DESERVES A REMATCH. Dimitra just destroyed Caroline Pettersson in E vs W 15, so the rematch would make most sense. God bless all!
I don't understand anything about arm wrestling. I just recently started enjoy the sport. Seems to me that Ayane got robbed, she was way more dominant in that match. But I may saying bullcrap. Just looked like that.
Pésimo arbitraje y reglas no acordes al Match,, Dimitrina no ganó realmente este Match,, Ayane lo ganó,,, merece lo mas pronto posible una revancha por el título,,,, y claro otros árbitros y reglas mucho más justas.
Oh she strong as hell. That's so cool. Only 25, too. Hardly any representation for Japan in armwrestling (or at least this form of armwrestling). Oh that's unfortunate for Ayane. She pinned the press down, thinking it would be a pin for her, but it's not on her side. Just a rules confusion thing there. Then Petrova getting out of 2 pins in a row before getting a pin. Ayane has racked up FAR more pins, but that's just how the rules are and it's tricky to make it any better than that. A lot of ways to intentionally game the rules to get endless restarts among other things. 17:01 - Then in the very next round after a dominating pin, we can see Ayane is getting pretty god damn sick of it lol. 17:50 - The press pin on the wrong side happens again! someone needs to tell Ayane the rule with that, she couldn't have been made aware). She would have let go if she knew. That one sucked. Almost feels like the wrong person won, but not entirely, since knowing the rules is part of it (though I don't think she was informed after the first time with "pinning" the press?), and the rest is just an unfortunate side-effect of how the rules gotta be, so a lot of stamina is then required. This one REALLY needs a rematch. Edit: Oh apparently the rules are changing so as competitors can't get out of a pin like that anymore. I think that would be a lot better. No desperate "get the hell outta there" fouls right before the pin. So that would just be in relation to the elbow I think. Rather than when they use a slip to get out of a bad situation. I don't think this should apply to slips. I don't want to see slips above the pad being called a win, because that always sucks. Should be able to get a slip anywhere, and it's good. Often the elbow will slide off the pad when trying to escape near the pad, and THAT is where the loss would be with this new rule change, which is fine. This one was rough for Ayane. Especially since I don't think she was made aware of the thing with her pinning the press, otherwise she would have let go the second time it happened. I found the video Engin released on it, titled: Dimitrina vs Ayane match decisions
I don't understand why you are losing so you intentionally pull your elbow off the pad and you get a restart and not a loss? It seems Ayane was robbed but I'm not a expert on arm wrestling rules.
So I watched the match and heard a lot of things, but honestly seems mostly fair to me. Restarting with fouls has always been a thing and adds a tactical decision of when and how to bail. Also makes endurance more of a factor. Think ayane just gassed out tbh. Some of those calls were a bit weird yeah but still, not nearly as horrendous as i thought it was going to be >_>
17:50 how is that not a pin? sorry im new to the sport. Ayane arm is basically pinned? what is she suppose to do pronate the thumb? again excuse my ignorance
just change bleed system pls, all dinos have a cap of 1 min bleed when standing thats so stupid, i cant play with my favorite playstyle even if other player u fighting is running all fight, bleed is weak still pls many players hate bleed system i hope ull change it
Dimitrina entrance music was Godzilla 1954 main theme. That was fucking hilarious on the stream since Ayane is japanese. Sadly they've changed entrance music in videos
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For anyone that is (rightfully) mad at the foul system, Engin has officially announced that the rule will from now on change and it will be a win for the dominant competitor instead of a foul restart by the pinned competitor
Hasn't a foul on a losing position always been a win for the dominant one? I'm confused, what is changing?
@@gadeonmusic yes but losing position is subjective to referees. Wouldn't want to be in their shoes at this level of competition. Hats of to them to try to balance fairness and a good fight.
@@gadeonmusic
Sometimes the foul happens close to the center, and it just looks like a losing position foul because of the fast surge of the opponent. Now it doesnt matter how close to the center the foul is; if you get flashed , you simply lose no matter when you fouled
Im so sad for ayane
This is exactly why i came to the comments
Ayane deserves a rematch. And different refs.
Ayanes is now my favorite female armwrestler hands down.
Ayane people's winner!
Ayane really deserves another match. She showed a very entertaining performance. ❤. She dominated the match but lose due to the loopholes in the rules. She's people's champ.
how can u foul and just get a restart when losing ?
John after losing to irakli 😂
Ayane is the winner.
Agreed
After the fuss I've heard about this match and now watching the footage of it, I really do hope Ayane will have another shot at the title, or even let her have more matches. This arm fight, despite looking ugly for me, it is what it is. Dimitrina did take some legit rounds and props to her. She was more technical, I guess. Ayane looked so strong and I hope she learns from this fight.
I just fell in love with women's arm wrestling. Takenaka is amazing.
Love seeing Japanese athletes, AYANE is my fav female sportsgirl! (Slightly unfair elbow falls while AYANE actually yet pinned opponent)
Ayane👍💪 very Powerful
Invited ayane again pls
17:52 wtf, Dimitrina is just losing on her side of the table. Anybody can just slide underneath, lose hand, lose pronation, try to slip from underneath but end up on your side. Those elbow fouls are ridiculous, Dimitrina was pulled so hard, she was taken off the pad, she gained no position, she was being dominated. If anything it's an intentional foul from losing position.
Ayane needed to just let go, I'm sure she will do better next time
@@LaddRusso91that was a clear win
I've seen enough, give them Derek Smith
Derek "The Disappointment" Smith. Never seen a man that size in AW that's as weak as him.
@@onisansensei143It's crazy how many people I see calling him weak that are weaker than him....
Xd 😂
@@theangrypelican5270 I think it compares to his size he should be in world class but doesn't even close
Lol best comment on here
It would be better to change the referee and have a rematch.
These are some of the best referees in the world. It's a tough job. Nobody will be good enough for couch experts.
Japanese people are way too honorable to use such methods 🤨
Takenaka is the first female arm wrestler that im a fan of.
Engin, make a match Alizhan vs Matyushenko this year
Fr
Alizhan vs Ivan
Vitaly vs Artyom
They will happen as soon as possible when all athletes are ready
no
@@quirty8966 Yes !
no
竹中絢音を世界一応援してるつもりの自分ですが、皆が悪く言う程の問題をペトロワに感じなかった。お互いが相手を倒せる技を持つ良い試合だったと思う。east vs westのルールが変わるようなので再戦するなら見てみたい。
The only sane comment in this comment section. Everybody else seems to be just sucking up for the Japanese for some reason. She's great(I like her too) but people need to calm down a bit and let reality have its say.
This unconventional love towards Takenaka is evident by the fact that not a single comment is supporting Petrova and giving her any props for winning the match. She didn't do anything wrong. She was a better arm wrestler here and she won. The End.
@@kaenchuli_Nevla Has nothing to do with Petrova being a better armwrestler, they both got 2 legit rounds on each other. The difference came down to ref's nulling 2 of Ayane's win's due to Petrova's elbow being pulled forward off the pad (not even Petrova moving it there, her whole body was pulled). A foul is something Petrova does, she was not even in control of herself being pulled off. The other issue being the winning on her side of the table, despite her hand being fully turned over trying to run away. All 3 of these matches were due to refs and the fault of the existing rule system. Ayane had 2 wins stolen and 1 win gifted to her opponent (very least should've been a restart). 3 matches overturned in a best of 7 completely changes the game.
7:5 0 was clearly a win
Unfortunately min 15:01 Petrovas elbow didn't touch pad 3 times.. in reality she lost 1:3
What grades you have in maths? It's best of 7, so it cannot finish 1:3
Ayane Takenaka the winner.
Очень приятно что заметили спортсменку из Азии.Она монстр)
I think this is a big setback in arm wrestling that when they review they dont show the viewers and i think that if we want arm wrestling to become a world class sport we have to make these improvements because reviews are always shown in big sports with better working scorecards
Ayane 💪🏻🔥🔥
Жалко японскую девочку этот
Матч несправедливо
Daylight robbery against Ayane, c'mon. These refs are a shame to the sport.
Lol.. nobody is a good referee according to couch experts. Yes, they make mistakes but it's a hard job.
I passed through so much anger watching this fight in live, it was a lot of frustration watching this absurd, i'm glad dat Engin changed rules after this shame.
Absolutely Ayane won! what a shame! Petrova couldnt smile after winning the match lol
Takenaka should've won this one.
Is 15:03 not a foul for winning advantage?
That's barely anything. 😅
hope engin invites takenaka back to EvW again
I love ayane and feel bad for her. Love dimitrina too
That was sad.. try explaining that win to a non arm wrestler.. anyway, good match. Will love to see Ayane again. She will learn how to deal with this
what in the world is the ref doing during the setup of round 2, the thumb line is fully visible even from the camera 15 feet away.
Интересная и спорная схватка
Ayane shoulda just let it slip and go to strap,shes stronger but dimitrina is smarter,she knows how to utilize her strength
일본여자세계챔피언선수를 늘응원합니다 항상건강하고 행복 하시길 진심으로 기원합니다 🙏
Tbh Ayane lost fair and square..
She got two pins at the start , Next round Dmitrina flop pressed and ayanes hand was on the losing side of the table, even though her hand was on top of Dimitrinas at the end, the pin was for Dimitri because ayanes hand went below the pin pad over the opponenets winning side.
Next round both go into hook, Dmitri elbow slips off the pad at the start, and is given an elbow foul..
Last two rounds Dimitrina wins decisively in a hook.
Even if that elbow foul was counted as a pin for ayane, Dimitrina still would've won 4:3..
They both did their best and Dimitrina came out on top and got the win!
11:11 что тут произошло? Почему Димитрине дали победу за просто так?
Дайте знать как появится ответ
Да отдали ей победу просто, Димитрина разрывала захват движением вниз, тоесть уход умышленный(вроде 3 раунд), это проигрышь, но судьи не обратили внимание. Аиана победила!
Ayanna is a firecracker
I think the matches of Petrova’s elbow fouls should be Ayane’s win
Can’t explain how irritated i get watching intentional fouls
Takenaka is clearly stronger arm wrestler, but she cried in judge this time.
By the way, Petrova was nt even in top 10 for either arm on the world championship 2024.
The champ is smokin 🔥🔥 she's a badass though and very Smart!! Love watching her arm wrestle
she's great, she build different and she got the title 🦾😬
Ayana rematch. I hope there is a rule change so someone can't just foul as they're getting pinned. Bs
Engin already confirmed rule change.
iam so confused about this match
I’d been waiting to see this controversial match to makeup my own mind, although I always hate to see hard earned pins nullified by BS rules or elbow fouls, But I still think Petrova deserved the win that was decided by her endurance, But can’t wait to see Ayane compete again.
The point is that Ayane should've won early and it should never have come down to endurance. Imagine if Levan pinned Devon multiple times but it didn't count, and then Devon keeps f*cking him in the set up and finally wins. Would you say that's fair?
@@levansaginashviliskidney8726 I see your point, But it would’ve still been difficult for Ayane’s endurance being that it was a 4 of 7 match, But I definitely became a big fan of Ayane’s.
To me it seemed like Ayane got 4 pins first, and then held on too much which gassed her hand
Engin, please get better refs, I am shocked ayane didn't win this one
These are some of the best refs in the world with very long experience in the sport. Nobody will be good enough for couch experts.
@@decarthes try to relax, you're a couch expert just like everyone else here
Ayane won
This rule of foul should be changed.
RUclips algorithm boosting comment 💪 ... VERY cool to see new super talented pullers like this on the big stage for many of us that r not familiar with them. no losers in the match really!
This was awesomeeeeee
17:09 Ray knows about memes
Hahaha
The officiating was disgraceful. Ayane deserves better officiating and a better platform than this.
I thought ayane was wronged
Brilliant armwrestling and stellar endurance from Petrova made the difference here.
I just love how Ayane goes from the sweet and almost shy beside the table to such a ferocious athlete on the table 🔥💪 I hope to see her again soon 🤩
Wow, this was the closest match one could imagine, had there been no elbow fouls in round 3 and 4, Ayana would have taken the title, I believe. Round 3 was the turning point after the elbow foul and referees' review (then it became 2-1). Then in round four Ayana pined Dimitra again but was an elbow foul again. We must complement both athletes, for this incredible match, could have gone either way and this TOTALLY DESERVES A REMATCH. Dimitra just destroyed Caroline Pettersson in E vs W 15, so the rematch would make most sense. God bless all!
Terrible referee!
Ayane deserves a rematch!
14:57 ref? square the shoulders? ref are you there?
Takenaka was the runners up for the left arm and on the third for right this year.
Her strength is on the left arm while she is right handed.
I don't understand anything about arm wrestling. I just recently started enjoy the sport. Seems to me that Ayane got robbed, she was way more dominant in that match.
But I may saying bullcrap. Just looked like that.
this japan girl is very strong😮
Pésimo arbitraje y reglas no acordes al Match,, Dimitrina no ganó realmente este Match,, Ayane lo ganó,,, merece lo mas pronto posible una revancha por el título,,,, y claro otros árbitros y reglas mucho más justas.
Once again the rules fucked the match.
🤢🤮🤮this is not ok !!! Very sad !! 😢
Thank you for this engin
Ayane had a great presence, made it a fun match to watch
Great match 👏
Хотя судейство было не в пользу Аяне, Димитрина всё равно молодец, на хитрости и опыте вытянула)
Oh she strong as hell. That's so cool. Only 25, too. Hardly any representation for Japan in armwrestling (or at least this form of armwrestling).
Oh that's unfortunate for Ayane. She pinned the press down, thinking it would be a pin for her, but it's not on her side. Just a rules confusion thing there. Then Petrova getting out of 2 pins in a row before getting a pin. Ayane has racked up FAR more pins, but that's just how the rules are and it's tricky to make it any better than that. A lot of ways to intentionally game the rules to get endless restarts among other things.
17:01 - Then in the very next round after a dominating pin, we can see Ayane is getting pretty god damn sick of it lol.
17:50 - The press pin on the wrong side happens again! someone needs to tell Ayane the rule with that, she couldn't have been made aware). She would have let go if she knew.
That one sucked. Almost feels like the wrong person won, but not entirely, since knowing the rules is part of it (though I don't think she was informed after the first time with "pinning" the press?), and the rest is just an unfortunate side-effect of how the rules gotta be, so a lot of stamina is then required.
This one REALLY needs a rematch.
Edit: Oh apparently the rules are changing so as competitors can't get out of a pin like that anymore.
I think that would be a lot better. No desperate "get the hell outta there" fouls right before the pin. So that would just be in relation to the elbow I think. Rather than when they use a slip to get out of a bad situation. I don't think this should apply to slips. I don't want to see slips above the pad being called a win, because that always sucks. Should be able to get a slip anywhere, and it's good. Often the elbow will slide off the pad when trying to escape near the pad, and THAT is where the loss would be with this new rule change, which is fine.
This one was rough for Ayane. Especially since I don't think she was made aware of the thing with her pinning the press, otherwise she would have let go the second time it happened.
I found the video Engin released on it, titled: Dimitrina vs Ayane match decisions
By the way, when are you getting Lucia Debnarova on board, Engin?
I don't understand why you are losing so you intentionally pull your elbow off the pad and you get a restart and not a loss? It seems Ayane was robbed but I'm not a expert on arm wrestling rules.
Hi engin are you feeling well now
So I watched the match and heard a lot of things, but honestly seems mostly fair to me. Restarting with fouls has always been a thing and adds a tactical decision of when and how to bail. Also makes endurance more of a factor. Think ayane just gassed out tbh. Some of those calls were a bit weird yeah but still, not nearly as horrendous as i thought it was going to be >_>
В каком весе было?
Че за судейство, за уши вытащили Петрову. Позор судейству и Энгину!!!!!!!!!!
I always wonder why don't they go for referee's grip or even strap match? Waste of time!!!
AYANE の勝利
Anyone else hear Michael Todd's heavy nasal breathing on this one? He didn't even say a word but we knew he was lurking in the background. 🤣
Dimitrina hook goat
Ayane for sure deserves a rematch, those were some bad calls by the judges
Аяне выиграла 4 раза 👍
Domitriva the counterpouncher Petrova...
REMATCH!!!
Wow Ayane
14:27 that's a foul from losing position
17:50 how is that not a pin? sorry im new to the sport. Ayane arm is basically pinned? what is she suppose to do pronate the thumb? again excuse my ignorance
Ayane held on while Dimitrina flopped.
Is john berzenk gonna fight on this event?
just change bleed system pls, all dinos have a cap of 1 min bleed when standing thats so stupid, i cant play with my favorite playstyle even if other player u fighting is running all fight, bleed is weak still pls many players hate bleed system i hope ull change it
on my view , the refree weren't equal in this match .
間違いなく正攻法同士では竹中絢音が強いと思うけど、よく分からん審判で惜しいことになったかぁ
でも良き試合だった👍
Uh… nice match! 💪
負けそうになった時に落ちてファールになるの、アリなの？スタートミスったと思ったら落ちればよくない？そんなの、ありなん？！ちょっとジャッジに懐疑的！
17:54 Wtf 😅😅
Ayana stop screaming and hold your breath, scream doesn’t help 😅
Dimitrina entrance music was Godzilla 1954 main theme. That was fucking hilarious on the stream since Ayane is japanese. Sadly they've changed entrance music in videos
Aayane is saying that she is doing it intensely