Northernlion earns his r/Teachers Medal of Honor
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- fuck you mr karl
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Twitch: / northernlion
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Stream date: 04-23-2024
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#northernlion #clips
"I never thought it would happen, I'm becoming a boomer" - man who spent a year of his life branding himself as a 30 year old boomer
you are what you eat
@@incriptionLOL
Man whose only asset is his memory says school is easy, who would've thought
holy fuck +3 or maybe even 4
holy shit
Its true, but it's his own daughter that this discussion is about which everyone seems to be missing in this comments section. She will share many of the same traits including his memory; she should be easily able to get Canadian straight As
NOT TRUE he also has a PHAT ass and an impressively broad palate.
But seriously I've never seen a bigger -2 from NL. Closest was that react court that was also about punishing children, but that was by making them clean up after their sister's horses.
@@wieran35000vr There is absolutely no guarantee of this lol genetic inheritance is not deterministic to that degree
The way he said "Some of those teachers ain't with us any more" sounded like he took them out 😂
A case of delayed onset ryan-induced aneurysm
He doesn't keep a grudge because he settled 'em all.. 🔫
Northenlion : -talks about circumcision
Chatter : "HOW DOES THIS KEEP COMING UP?!"
There really was no point in bringing it up. circumcision -> do it while young so they can't remember it -> ????? -> teachers should be allowed to chuck footballs at kids
he got banned from the silent hill wiki so he doesnt have a place to talk about it anymore
@@amaryllis6501 +2 reference
hehehehe... *coming* hehehehe
@@amaryllis6501 +2 but also what's the reference?
10:30 when my dad was in school his fifth grade teacher had a thing where she would throw the chalkboard eraser at kids if they were talking while she was teaching, but she also had a rule where if you caught it, you were allowed to try to hit her back with it 🤷♀️
if you caught it you were obviously paying attention
That’s beast
holy based...
Mein Gott in Himmel Persona 5 reference!!!
@@uhoh7545 Frieren ruined German to me, man. I keep forgetting that the characters are named after random nouns.
Don't ever use exercise as punishment because it fucks up people's relationship with exercise. - sports psychology
Dont use exercise as punishment cause what if the kids get too strong and powerful? Then you just have 30 waist-high body builders that detest your job position
Huh. I stay fit no problem. Maybe try adjusting to "don't ever whine on the Internet because nobody else cares there cares what you think", you'll get a lot more people agreeing with you and the likes and validation you seek.
@@rocktheusa 👄
@@rocktheusaExtremely normal reaction to a comment essentially saying "Dont make good thing seem like bad thing"
@@rocktheusa lol what the hell are you arguing for here
my insane teacher story is that one of my math teachers tried to frame me with nearly breaking her leg while i was out of country
But consider the butterfly effect where you disrespected a street vendor who was a tenant of a landlord who is the abusive husband of a lady who is the sister of your teacher who distracted her on a phone call while she was driving causing her to break her leg in a car accident
@@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxXyouve convinced me, i think the maths teacher was onto something here…
@@mazza420 They can do these big calcs being a teacher and all
BWOAH sophie wasn't expecting to see a tm legend here 😄
@@sarahmellinger3335wow if you’re using words like "calcs" you must be a hot pro mathletician 😍😍😍🥵🥵🥵
NL makes one good point and then uses it to walk himself to insanity on the other side
>NL makes one good point
Not in this video lmao
@Namarot he make a few good points in this video, you're just bitter that miss Jensen in 3rd grade was honest and said that you're dumb
@@Namarot ok, who asked u kid? 😂
@@Namarot sorry your teacher yelled at you for talking in class
@@Namarot it's fine, the clowns will keep quoting NL for days now
15:22 Wish that "r/teachers has welcomed you back" had him change his opinion like the time chat said "Ricky Gervais has a good bit on this"
wait when did the ricky gervais thing happen ? i'd love to look around for it
@@DragonflyLover618 Iirc the Librarian clipped that moment as "Comedy is ILLEGAL now."
Hey when chat started to push back slightly against things he weren't entirely joking about, gotta take all the support he could get. Desperate times, desperate measures.
This rant feels like a Gervais thing yes
Dude running defense for school like he got sponsored
Mcdonalds stream part 2
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
bro listened to the wall and thought "yeah bro if you don't eat your meat you can't have any PUDDING it's so obvious"
LMFAO
OP listened to The Wall and all he got out of it was "wow it's so unfair that they can't eat their pudding, truly this is the worst thing in the entire album"
Former teacher NL not helping the case against teachers by saying they should be allowed to throw things at children
idk i think r teachers would agree with him they seem to hate children
Brother he was talking about a nerf ball that shit is hilarious
@@KingLoofgenuinely man. Some kids are little demons sometimes though, and thats no dramatization
@@dishdaddyssoap8691 if your coworker is being annoying, would you throw something at them just because of that? would you like to get hit with stuff too?
@@gnerus1972 no, thats an entirely different situation. Our teacher used to do something similar, and we thought it was hilarious. Much better than slamming things like a lot of teachers do around where I’m at. Depends on how you go about it really. Someone could throw things at a kid with the intention to draw attention to them and sort of “mock” them for example. Then thats just detestable. Can’t pavlovs children unless it’s obedience you want, but thats churlish. That I don’t agree with at all, but I understand why it’s done and as long as a kid is being treated with respect at the end of the day then I don’t think it really matters unless it’s something done to them in excess.
Just my take on it, and I highly highly doubt its a matter that theres a single right answer for
I haven’t seen a Librarian comment section this divided since the rant about splitting banana bunches at the grocery store.
actual battlefield lmfao
It's because pedagogy is a touchy subject everyone has interacted with at least once and many people have strong feelings about, especially those whose lives were negatively impacted by a poor educational experience.
I think it's totally reasonable for those people to speak about their experiences, especially since NL comes across as kinda dismissive of some of the issues here.
Maybe some commenters are overreacting a bit but most of the comments I'm reading feel pretty constructive and rational in my opinion.
It's less about being divided and more NL being wildly uneducated on a topic and rapid firing the worst takes about education system based on his anecdotes and assumptions. It's a fairly important part in everyone's life so to treat it like that is just pathetic.
Its cause half of chat is middle schoolers living through it lol
@@TheRadioSquarevideo had a lot of takes? What do you think are the worst, don't tell me you think making a kid look at a wall is trauma inducing.
My take on pre-university education is that your grades have far more to do with the support you have than the “intelligence” of the student, to an extent. If you have a figure in your life who encourages you to do well in school and enforces good grades (usually parents, sometimes other relatives or friends, rarely a teacher or school staff can fill this role), in addition to a relatively healthy home life, you’ll likely be able to make an 80% or above.
Of course, other factors like neurodivergence, personal health, and life challenges play a part in it, but my thesis stands that students with a stable home that wants them to succeed are essentially destined to do at least OK in school, and those who experience this are far more likely to go back and say “School is easy” because they started at a better place than their peers. I know I was one of them.
Bro, I did awful in school, and it's so obvious that school is so easy. My poor performance was literally 100% due to lazyness. And I imagine that's what the vast majority of kids poor performance is a result of
@@enotsnavdier6867 And you may be correct, but I would argue that being lazy at that age is due to a lack of support structure that enforces the work ethic required to succeed in school. Children have to be taught how to do everything, and conforming to the school system is part of that. The main way kids seem to “fall behind” in class is through constantly getting into trouble, because they don’t have the same structure at school as at home.
@@enotsnavdier6867 most kids i knew who did bad was because of what the original commenter said. And we see this bear out with lower income schools generally having lower class averages. most of my friends had bad home lives or struggled with drugs in highschool or their parents just told them they were stupid. It can look like laziness outside of senior slumps its usually the product of a lack of support in the home.
@@enotsnavdier6867 School is literally just short-term memory. If that's easy for you than more power to you but it's not my strong point. I'm much better at making connections and thinking creatively and I thought I was just a fucking idiot until I got to college because every test was rote memorization of random facts. The current system is a terrible metric of intelligence specifically because of how easy that memorization is for some while kids like me would get a 65% because despite knowing the greater story I struggle with remembering names and dates. I still hate geography because as a kid it just felt like I had to memorize a bunch of gibberish words I've never heard and remember which is where. I tried HARD and still struggled, I truly believe the issue is that the system punishes unconventional schools of thought.
I will always be grateful to my 7th grade science teacher who gave me the time of day I needed despite my difficulties, I 100% was on track to drop out before him, and I came damn close in high school but getting into journalism where I was allowed to write concisely and do more photo/video work and suddenly being a "naturally gifted student" was a shock to the system.
@@enotsnavdier6867 You extrapolated your personal experience and the reason behind it to "the vast majority of kids" without even thinking about the flaw in that logic. Maybe you did awful in school because you specifically aren't very smart.
"some day I ain't gonna be with ya any more, it's just dust in the wind man" into the slackers outro is kino
Cinematic genius right there
coming back here to throw in my shit teacher story:
my teachers shithead daughter bullied me nonstop for months and then when i finally told my mom about it and my mom talked to the teacher, the daughter told the teacher/her mom that i was the one bullying her. the teacher then decided to corner me in a walk-in closet and yell at me/physically intimidate me until i was hyperventilating on the floor and wouldn’t let me leave until i apologized to the girl who had bullied me relentlessly for something i didn’t do.
i was 9 years old btw. super cool teacher behavior that was definitely secretly my fault!
Should have just put forward a better argument for your innocence.
Have you considered youre actually just holding a grudge?
Look, your teacher is an asshole. But this is far away from the punishments in this video. Looking at a wall because you were talking is a drop in the bucket compared to this.
Had a math teacher that was ex military and he would slam a yard stick aggressively against the wall when he felt that the class was “not understanding the equations on purpose”. I was very good at math and a straight A student but I could see why a lot of the students genuinely didn’t understand because he explained things very poorly. When he would slap the yard stick on the wall I would almost jump out of my chair and sometimes scream. I had a very abusive and chaotic home life and I didn’t understand it at the time but I had/have PTSD. Having a teacher that was so unnecessarily aggressive made for a stressful environment where you were walking on eggshells and I would often be tense and anxious throughout class. I don’t think acting aggressively towards children is okay, and slapping a yard stick is an aggressive action.
Also side note but this teacher drank a liter of Diet Coke every morning (8am class) straight from the plastic bottle.
This is the point in the video that actually needs to be talked about. It's sad that someone having as good of a childhood as NL can be considered a privilege but that's the reality for a lot of children. I know teachers are so overworked and underpaid but come on. Send them to time out or something, if a child is acting up then give them time to cool off like you would for another adult. Kids are people too, and often they don't get taught things that might seem obvious to adults
I'm sorry you had to deal with that. Life isn't so clean as NL seems to think.
This is just a bunch of whiny modern american bullshit lmao. Grow a fucking spine. The real world has loud noises, boo fucking hoo.
@@cubecat7759 Except what do you do when you order a kid a timeout but they simply refuse? That's his whole point.
@@isakri9459 then you get another teacher or the principal or something to take them away to a separate time out space. Man what the fuck, why do people lose all rationality when it comes to kids? If a mentally ill adult were causing a scene you wouldn't physically punish them would you? You remove them from the situation that's causing distress to give them time to calm down. Kids are people too, they just might not know WHY they're freaking out or acting out and causing a scene
My parents wouldn't accept anything less than straight As. But they also refused to medicate my ADHD so it didn't work out for any of us.
That fucking sucks. Hope you are doing better now.
Skill issue
@@FKATorpimagine being born with a neurological disorder (couldn’t be me)
Yeah, skill issue… for the parents.
Had the opposite problem. Family only emphasised the effort not the result (teachers would provide a grade for how hard you worked in class as well as aptitude). My stupid butt doesn't accept anything less than an optimised speedrun A+. Imagine getting 100 on an exam when the grade fails on average, and your brain says you could have done that more efficiently.
There's a reason people always approach me with questions and issues - because I have a compulsion to solve and fix things.
As for bad teachers - only had one, even if I ended up teaching a few classes when I understood the material better than the teacher.
I avoided the worst of this teacher - he's now spending the rest of his life incarcerated for things that are horrible.
the strawman was getting COOOOOOKED hard in this one
wdym? he was responding to direct quotes from chatters
@@muhilan8540 he would hear something bad and say “well if you weren’t such a shitty kid it probably wouldn’t have happened” while being given literally zero context to why the punishment happened. He’s literally arguing with his own assumptions.
“I’m pretty chill just get straight A’s” is perhaps the most Tiger Dad take of all time
If As in Canada are 80 and above, that's a very reasonable take. Dumb kids can get 80% of questions right.
"I want to allow my child to enjoy the first 20 years of her life without being ushered into a career focused lifestyle, however, on average she has to get straight A's or I will be disappointed in her."
Hmm
@@Masiyooohe thinks it's a low bar based on his own experience with school.
@@MasiyoooI wish you were in chat to say this when he had this conversation just so I could watch the spectacle of him tearing you apart like a starved tiger, salvaging your carcass for the +2's.
@@jamesmccomb9525reddit ass comment
In 11th grade a teacher just lied about what I said to her in the class. I was seated in the middle of the class, and she said I threatened her life. Her, 10 feet away heard this while people 2 feet from me in every direction did not hear this. She complained to the principal and in a he-said-she-said they sent me to Disciplinary Alternative system that's basically school-jail for 3 months based on a lie. So saying that teachers have no real power over you is just incorrect. If they are malicious enough and willing to lie, they can truly hurt you. It really taught me how easy it is to twist systems into oppression though so thanks for that lesson teacher.
I know America and UK schools are especially bad about punishments, but I can't imagine Canadian schools are that much better. He's probably willfully ignorant about how bad it gets at the not "good" public schools, seeing as he was involved in private schools.
i remember earlier this school year i went to the counselor to try and get a different English teacher because she is genuinely the devil reincarnate (it's not just me, literally everyone hates her) and i tried explaining my gripe with the counselor but she just cut me off and said "the classroom is not a democracy, it's a dictatorship. deal with it" and i was appalled. some teachers are angels but i'm ngl, seems like a vast majority just are the worst people ever
I feel you on that,
Multiple times teachers would lie about something I'd done and I would get horrific punishments which amounted to solitary-confinement 'school edition'.
It would matter how I would argue my case, or if other witnesses supported me, if it's their word against yours, you're finished there is no real investigation of any sort.
@@RandomAcronyms I don't think willfully ignorant is fair. The egg has a lot of knowledge in there he just doesn't study every issue known to man. If it was brought up to him in a non-chat room situation or was put eloquently enough, I think he'd add an addendum to his outlook, as he's been shown to do before.
@@ShadedG Wilfully ignorant is definitely fair when this entire video is him replying to every single incident raised in chat with "Well, I'm gonna invent a scenario where you probably deserved it". He even did this for the one where the kids were left with blisters on their hands for the punishment
This the first time in a long time I've genuinely been upset at NL's banter, holy bursh. Currently studying child psych, and hearing him say this stuff so confidently is maddening. I remember a very similar discussion like this during a Dark Souls 1 stream in The Dukes Archives a few years back.
Thank you, Librarian, for archiving our man's Ls and Ws alike.
i mean the amount of people encouraging/+2ing him was also driving me mad
Care to explain why you say he's so wrong?
@@TheLibraryofLetourneauthe way he brushed off your wheelbarrow thing was crazy to me. Blisters on your hands??? That's bizarre to say is acceptable for- what? Talking and disrupting class or something? I couldn't think of anything constructive to say that would find its way to him through the sea of twitch chat so instead of a -2 I just wrote [loud incorrect buzzer noise]
@@cubecat7759 not even that, my entire class was pretty studious but i think one or two people forgot to do the homework so he collective punished our asses. obviously only the boys were made to do the wheelbarrows but yeah it really fucked with our hands
@@TheLibraryofLetourneau that's even worse! Collective punishment for a few people forgetting homework doesn't make sense, you can't make them do it or make them remember to do it, you and everyone else were not to blame for that. Obviously the wheelbarrows thing is bad but only having the boys do it is also so unfair. Not really collective punishment at that point.... just punishment of some boys who may or may not have forgotten their homework... I'd like to think if NL had all the context he wouldn't have doubled down but it really makes him look bad now
couldn't even finish the video
just gotta say that middle/high school made me giga suicidal. I'm still surprised I made it out alive 10 years later.
You and me both. I was lucky that I had supportive, present parents, but I just seemed to have the worst luck with teachers or administration deciding I was a punching bag, despite not being disruptive. Plus undiagnosed autism didn't exactly help. Of course nothing happened to those teachers except for the one that escalated to throwing chairs at students he didn't like. (myself included) I went from high grades in elementary and the first year of middle to barely passing all the way out of highschool. Having to go back to that every day just so I could get it done ground me down to nothing.
i think everyone's allowed to have a few bad opinions but WOW he sure does have a lot of them. bro clearly comes from a place of high privilege.
NGL randomly one day in high school I decided to start seriously studying and not goof off in class because I couldn’t coast anymore in math. So I thought that just working hard meant you automatically had success because I got straight A’s for the first time in my whole life.
But later on when I took calculus, I distinctly remember one of my classmates who did everything they could to succeed in the class but despite their work (staying afterschool all the time, taking copious notes, asking questions, and homework) they still couldn’t get a passing grade on any exam, and switched out to statistics or something instead.
So I don’t think it’s as simple as do your homework and study and you’ll trounce middle/high school, as much as people like me might like to believe because for us that worked. And I definitely don’t see it as a smart/dumb dichotomy either. I just think it’s complicated and casting a big judgment call on anyone who doesn’t get good grades in all their classes being just bad students doesn’t really make sense
Good thing that's not what he did! He's literally only talking about his daughter here.
@@Veilure I mean, not really. He used his expectations for his daughter as a spring board to go into an insane sequence of overgeneralizing takes. He literally said "if you don't get A's in school you're lazy" lmao, a take which is especially absurd considering homework and exams are fundamentally different tasks where a person can be great at one and abysmal at another.
He's right about that for the majority of school years anyway. There's just a line a subject can cross and become too advanced for someone's interests or constitution/mindset at the time they're taking the class. You can come back years later to something you failed and think it's easy, or even have difficulty with something you used to understand.
he had another very very rude awakening if he went into statistics after failing calculus 💀💀
@@realcirno1750 in my experience beginner statistics classes are decently easy compared to beginner calculus classes. maybe it depends on the country or something
Having to skip the librarian sysyphus vids to watch the full thing on NL's channel but I decided to click on this.
Popping in and seeing the Boulder fall backwards past the ice section he's taken 3 videos to get past is heartbreaking
yerp...
One must imagine Sisyphus happy
Fr tho how the hell can he be so calm seeing all of progress just be wasted. I'd probably uninstall the game the first time boulder fell like one biome
"Kids will never learn if you just try to talk and explain things to them" - Teacher who's job it is to talk and explain things
what
@@hi90s 13:02 I just find it funny, a teacher arguing against being able to verbally teach kids, when their job is to verbally teach things.
From the most based circumcision take to the most unhinged teaching punishment take, what a rollercoaster
When I was 6 my teacher punished me for talking too much during class (trigger warning: not American). She called me up to the front of the class, grabbed my hands, and went to town on them with her special ruler. I was already super embarrassed about being called up and didn't want to cry in front of the class so I tried my best to endure it. She seemed to take this as a challenge and kept going harder and harder. She stared at me, dead in the eyes, the entire time. Eventually, I couldn't take it anymore and I started to cry. She seemed satisfied. Until she looked down and realized my hands were bleeding. She panicked and told me to quickly wash off the blood. She asked me afterwards to not make a big deal about it when I got home so I didn't. But when my mom got home and asked me what happened to my hands I had to fess up. My mom was pissed about it but the rest of the family (Indian family, we live with our parents and grandparents) was like "Eh, it's just a part of school. Back in my day...". I couldn't hold a pencil for a week, which sucked because I loved to draw. But you know what? Couldn't catch me talking in class ever again. I'd get mild PTSD when another student tried to speak to me while class was still in session.
Pretty fucked up, for whatever reason some teachers beef with literal children and go on a power trip. But this should give perspective to the people frowning upon any kind of punishment, it's a fact that it works, it just should never be in this kind of condition or extreme.
@@ch1dd It's honestly the one thing that scares me the most about becoming a father in the future. When I was a child I promised myself I'd do better, that I'd never resort to violence. Be better than the people who raised me. Now, 20 years more mature, I fear that I might not be able to. I know I'll never abuse my own children just to feel better about myself. I'll put a bullet in my head before I ever let that happen. But I can't deny that I might use the threat of physical punishment as a pacifying force. Raising some difficult pets in my early 20s made me question all of my principles on this. Either way, I know I have a lot of growing to do before I'm ready for parenthood.
@@animagamer2 It's all what-ifs, maybe you'll have a kid that doesn't warrant getting to this extent. But physical punishment doesn't have to mean violence, as paradoxical as that sounds. Animals are just conditioned to learn faster from pain as a survival mechanism, naturally humans can use that to teach discipline before someone can understand the concept.
Someone who went through it will know how much is too much, even if we all collectively wish the number was zero.
@@ch1dd Thank you, this is some solid advice. I'll try to keep it in mind.
"couldn't catch me talking in class" Yeah because you were traumatized, it wasn't a learning experience that helped you become a better person it was an act of cruelty that broke you into submission.
"it's just blisters!" on the extremities used to take notes with, for several hours after the event, and however much time it took to heal afterward. should've learned how to write with a pencil between your teeth librarian
it'd be smth else if it was an injury sustained after hours because, what can any teacher do about some kid burning themselves off-campus. but if it's the result of another teacher's actions that then goes on to affect student performance in other classes... where is this defensible bro
not to mention that this affects downtime as well?? and every student regardless of whether they were the ones misbehaving or not??? just pay attention and get straight As bro, ignore the fact that some teachers will punish you alongside your peers regardless of how you act
you can write with blisters, ask a drummer or a carpenter
@@spanzotab i'm sure you can and that many instrumentalists can -- i also have to imagine that anyone learning an instrument is choosing to do it
@@spanzotab actual psycho take
NL always with his "neurotypical, only child, good support system at home" takes
FOR REAL
who knew a stable upbringing could result in such level-headedness
So this is the power of the "father figure" of which legends hath spoke of.
@@spanzotabwell it's more like delusion in cases like this
Level? That egg is massive!@@spanzotab
5:58 Appreciating Kate in the chat just going “he is a nerd”.
she's chat's champion fr
> gets to teach a bad student once
> fucking dies
We're not seeing an improvement in how we educate children within this lifetime are we
"Kids cannot fucking stand sitting in one place in a building several hours a day let's not wonder why this is and just come up with kids of roundabout violence we can use to make them stop complaining about their very real needs not being met"
"Look at that! Our school systems work in such a way that only a small percentage of all students are actually enriched by them while the rest of them have their lives and health severely compromised by them. Oh well. It's their problem now."
@@Freaking_Rat teacher's got nothing to do with that though. pancakes/waffles situation. it sucks mr. kearns cannot end the institution of schooling as forced daycare from his sixth period math class making $24k a year and having to buy all his own textbooks because the last editions are from 1996 but sometimes the lesson you gotta learn as a kid is "yeah this sucks for all of us so let's at least try and make it tolerable by cooperating"
Who would win? Tons of educational and sociological research into teaching styles, academic outcomes, and student welfare, which shows that authoritarian approaches to teaching and the use of physical punishment produce worse outcomes? Or one streamer cherry-picking his chat for examples of bad teaching he can respond to with "You probably deserved it" and "It's not a big deal"?
@@cerberusthethird I agree that teachers as individuals aren't the ultimate perpetrators of this disservice and that teachers are underpaid for doing incredibly important and challenging jobs, but I also think that even if all of that were somehow taken care of, our way of teaching kids is still ultimately flawed. To propose how to fix education is to propose how to fix all of society and I don't have an answer to that
Can you imagine living a horrible home life and then going to school for your teacher to punish you as well. There are a million problems any child may be facing, and embarrassing them in any way is not how you navigate being their trusted adult for 8 hours a day.
He cant imagine that obviously haha
the only reason you’d be punished is if you’re acting up in class. There’s tons of kids who have nonstandard home lives that don’t disrupt class, I don’t think that’s an excuse to be a nuisance, being a distraction in class won’t fix whatever problems you’re facing at home. At a certain point, kids need to be told off for acting poorly, and part of a teacher’s job as an adult is to straighten the kids up for the more challenging environments they’ll face in the future. Teachers can definitely do this without being a dick to the kid, but there has to be a point where the student gets reprimanded, because positive reinforcement for bad behavior is not doing anything for that kid
Generally you're not gonna get punished for nothing, whatever the reason for the bad behavior can't really get preferencial treatment.
I find it so weird that so many people who are normally pro-science, when on the topic of physically disciplining kids, instead pivot to their gut feelings that it’s appropriate and the only way they’ll learn because of the anecdote of “I turned out fine” -in spite of decades of research showing worse outcomes on average.
Obviously, if a child is doing well they don’t need physical discipline
NL really do be like, the only thing they can do to motivate kids is punish them when there has literally been decades of research that say that's probably the worst way to motivate kids/people in general. Maybe the reason they don't have many options for punishment is because punishment shouldn't be your first thought when a kid is acting up?
Love to see it.
@@ihatezombies1455 the style of parenting one adopts is dependant on what they’ve seen in life. I have only ever seen punishment be more effective at stopping bad behaviour, why would I go against why I see as the best method. U need positive reinforcement but punishment that makes the child feel bad for what they did, not just getting caught, is what is most valuable
I agree, but at the same time, it's easy for us to say "just don't punish, forehead" whereas when you're actually a teacher it's not really that simple. What do you do when a child is acting up and disrupting the whole class?
Edit: Physical punishment is bad. I thought they were saying punishment is bad in general.
@@chipbutty3645 "Punishment" in general or "Physical punishment" in particular?
overcooked take from a position of privilege. -2 of enormous proportions
"position of privilege" meaning he just is old and sees school from a removed perspective, making him apathetic to the experience I suppose.
@@noahmay7708 that's not what I meant, I mean that school is an institution designed for "most children". that means that there are cracks through which marginalized children slip through and they end up feeling like dogshit about the whole experience. it's a systemic failure which nl can't see because of his position of privilege
Am I allowed to be apathetic considering I was a ‘crack in the system’ yet because my parents were good and didn’t want me to become weak I managed to far surpass most other people very easily. Blame the system but this style of parenting is what is needed. Blame yourself even if it isn’t your fault because you should be strong enough to benefit from it
@@chipbutty3645 You're allowed to do whatever you want, including posting cringe-inducing comments about structural problems within society aren't real because you're so strong and how you "far surpass most other people very easily"
@@noahmay7708 that and him being "successful" and having support around him now, and probably earlier during childhood, considering he clearly didnt have much trouble, according to his memory lol
I had a teacher who once a year would be playing with a hockey puck all class long. He would roll it around the desk while we worked, throw it up in the air walking around teaching etc. Then at the end of class he would secretly swap it for a super lightweight foam hockey puck and throw that at a kid
ok thats kinda funny...
@@TheLibraryofLetourneau early +2 farming influence in my life
NL trying to earn some brownie points for r/Teachers
when a punishment gets too specific or ritualistic, that's pervert behavior. what's wrong with the good old fashioned "stand outside in the hall"?
Not chiming in to defend weird punishments, just adding to your point of standing in the hall.
Firstly, there's little pedagogical value in such punishments, you're gonna develop an antagonistic classroom culture that might just lead to more problems.
Secondly, as a teacher you have an obligation (depending on where you teach a legal one) to not just teach, but also supervise and ensure the safety of your students. If you make them stand in the hall and have them be out of your view, you're both risking the student's safety and (depending on legislation) your job if something were to happen to them while they were supposed to be in your supervision.
Enemies to lovers, my favorite trope
Can't wait for the complete reversal of opinion when his kiddo is in school and gets punished
complete 180 when his kid starts talking about her shitty teachers
when his kid becomes a rebellious teenager NL is going to experience the biggest whiplash of his life.
@@gnerus1972
every parent thinks they're ready for it and they never are
Thank god he's a streamer now instead lmfao
His boomer energy was off the charts here
You’re brain is not fully developed
Okay, but I got a story of a teacher that NL couldn’t defend. I was making up my work cause I was failing and wanted to try to pass. I got all my make up done but still was 5 points off of a passing grade. My teacher had given out extra credit for any students that donated the most canned food. The teacher said “you are allowed to give your points to another student if you have a passing grade already.” A girl in the class wanted to give me her points which would bump me over the passing line. The teacher than said to her, “you can give your points to anyone BUT him” and I flunked out that semester. And then she said to my mom on a parent teacher conference that “I’m only trying to teach your kid like I would teach my own”
thank you for sharing that story. that is FUBAR
nl was only raggin on chat because he doesnt have the full story of the chatter's experience. if you got punished for no reason as you entail i doubt he would defend this teacher
I ended English class in seventh grade with a 53 because the teacher would enter my name into blackboard with an apostrophe ‘ and that would nuke the submission and she didn’t fix it until my parents beat my ass.
What? '
@@orangesilver8 what part? Special characters arnt accepted in many databases even if they are valid. Part of validity checking
You also didn’t pass English because you fucking suck at Grammar
NL's points really dont make any sense he's right that you really cant force a kid to do anything. So if you tell a kid to go do wall sits and they actually go do it you probably could have just told them not to do whatever was bothering you. A kid whose actually bad is just gonna say no.
I've worked with special needs kids before and most of them are very disruptive but no one has ever needed to make them do physical punishments or anything like that nor would I think it would work
kids aren't really like that, they won't just say "no." to an authoritative person. You can tell them to be quiet and do their work, and they will, but only for a short amount of time until they think they can get away with not doing it again. If you hand them a punishment they're not just gonna say no to it because they can't get away with that. If they do refuse, that just means they'll get detention and parents are called and all that jazz, which they don't want to happen. At that point punishments work, they are forced to do something they don't want as a result of them misbehaving in class. Though this is just for regular classes, I'm sure special needs is different. And it doesn't surprise me at all that punishments would be far less used in those circumstances.
@@kiiturii I mean it defiitely depends on the SEN school. A not insignificant amount of them fall under the philosophy of "this child is causing problems, how about we just tie them up and put them in the cupboard so we can continue with the day".
We hear about schools getting investigated for doing that on my local news every couple months. It's kinda surprising how many of them there are especially considering how hard it is to get kids places in SEN schooling at the moment.
I was a 1 on 1 sped para for a year and for me, (I suspect I was trying more than some but this was pretty common) I was sort of just a part time parent.. I would do anything to assist and I'd sit with them all day (had two kids in half days) and basically was their friend and specific teacher. When they were doing their own thing I'd assist other kids or whatever but I was hired to help just one kid and they got plenty of focus lol. That's very low functioning 8 year olds though. Again I'm sure there's tons of abuse and mistreatment but sp education is pretty damn good for some @@RAFMnBgaming
The more i hear other people talk about their school experiences the more i realize i likely have some undiagnosed disorders that made everything more difficult. Like people were just soloing their personal development as middle schoolers? I was like crying every day and being yelled at by all the adults i was letting down
Exactly, I don't know if I had unchecked ADHD or what but these comments are so frustrating as someone who really struggled with school.
"School is easy 😜"
"If you fail, you're just lazy."
"It's always the students' fault"
Did none of these people have friends or siblings who they watched struggle with school? Do they really think the only way to get a bad grade is some kind of moral failing? This really shows how "dumb-smart" NL and a lot of his audience is, being book-smart and well-spoken but not having the emotional intelligence to understand why people might think differently.
I had to try REALLY hard just to pass in school because it's all rote memorization and my brain was rejecting the sheer volume of random information I was being given and told to regurgitate. I like to think very deeply about things when I'm learning and really get an understanding of WHY things happen, but the speed of the curriculum was always leaving me intellectually unfulfilled while being graded mostly on my ability to memorize names, dates, or virtual gibberish in the case of geography and chemistry.
TBH I think they (NL in this clip included) are defensive because of how validating it was for them to get those good grades growing up. But their behavior only serves to further shame the kids who fall short of getting those grades. Legit if I read these comments when I was in High School I would think I was the dumbest, laziest, most selfish piece of shit in the world simply because I have a hard time at the 5am fact prison.
@@HeckYep NL is just very neurotypical and came from a good home. School is easy if you have the right support structures and your brain is wired the right way.
I agree tho, he doesn't take into account the fact that the current way we do schooling is cut out for everyone. He even said it in the beginning. Where parenting is thought to be as a way to help your kids get a job. Schools started that way and are run that way.
@@bobbyburgle4536yeah was gonna say his whole take hinges on you coming from a good home, with good parents and do not have any mental health issues. Meanwhile half the comments on this video are talking about how annoying “disruptive kids in class” were, as if most of those kids either came from troubled homes or had some sort of deep rooted mental health issue or both. The amount of ableist takes in these comments is kinda nuts.
@@HeckYep and you are getting defensive because how frustating it was for you to get bad grades growing up. See? I can also make easy assumptions about your childhood from just a take.
Especially before college, getting good grades is not very dependent on IQ or "being smart", it's about putting enough effort, giving a shit, and also privilege.
I genuinely think if not because of factors like disabilities or environment (shitty home), you are just not giving enough shit. I do have friends that struggled through school and most of them are just either not giving enough shit, or didn't put any effort in. ALSO, rote memorization is a important part of learning, I feel like it is a BASE for every next step of learning. Of course it's not the ONLY part of learning, but it is one of them that helps develop your brain ability to store & manipulate information.
You should have the knowledge first, then you can 'evaluate/synthesize' for deeper leaning. Can you apply and solve math problems without remembering the formulas? Course not. There's other subjects too beside geography and chemistry, if you fail in ALL of them, maybe you just don't like learning.
@@HeckYep Also adding to my point, Imagine if you have to explain why the World War II happened, without memorizing any location, time, events, concepts. That doesn't make any sense, memorizing is an important skill to have in life and also a part of learning. You can't learn WHY chemical reactions happen or knowing would a element get corroded without knowing the periodic table or the voltaic series.
If schools actually test your critical thinking, they would just give the basic facts, then give you exercises to do the "applying" part of learning, then in tests they would give higher/more difficult questions so you could do the "analyze" part that you claim you really like. I 100% guarantee you students would complain EVEN more since this is a lot harder than just "regurgitating" facts. That's the point, school is not hard because it's not even you trying to solve higher level problems from basic concepts like college.
r/Teachers must’ve stolen his peloton and put a ransom on it because I didn’t think he’d be going down on 18 teachers in a row like that with these takes
they are flicking his ball (down the ramp)
18 educated teachers in the chatroom at NL's stream
@@UncleGhiral Big hard throbbing tests ready to be graded.
@@UncleGhiral big hard throbbing rulers wanting to be smacked!
People suggesting that suspension and expulsion are better solutions are insane. How is expelling a child from education going to help that child?
I feel like suspension and expulsions are last means measures for children who are immensely disrupting and refuse to comply. It does not help that specific child, but it helps all the other children in the class. Obviously the big issue here is that oftentimes this is not how those measures are applied.
I was constantly in detention for being literally 3 minutes late cuz my mom was an exhausted single mother who also probably had adhd like i do lmao. lots of after school detention and one time an in school suspension. just for being a few minutes late. i wish i were exaggerating. the punishment didn’t even do anything cuz i couldn’t just sit there and read. whoopty fuckin doo
Suspensions and expulsion are dumb, but I'd still argue they're relatively better than shit that's gonna give a kid a complex lmao
as a kid i would always try my hardest and seek for the approval of teachers, but slip up in one way or another, and i'd be punished in front of the class. so much of the time i didn't even understand what i had done wrong; i'd cry in front of the everyone, unable to hold it in, knowing i'd never be seen as normal. it was humiliating. it taught me to close myself off and shut up. it worked, and it's still working to this day.
learning i'm on the autism spectrum later in life explains a lot of the troubles i had in school growing up. while i think those struggles always would've been there, none of my teachers recognized how hard i was trying, or how much their approval meant to me. kids can be shits sometimes, but sometimes they literally don't know better.
My AP Chem teacher in high school told my sister that the only reason she got into her dream school was because of Affirmative Action
"Actually your sister was just a bad student and deserved that"- nls response if he read this as a chat message 😂😂
GOATed
How many other teachers did she have throughout her life? Did they do that?
ok but were they wrong?
dude was mad bc he didn't make it into his
If I had to do a devil's advocate assignment I still wouldn't be able to defend teachers this much. The man really resorted to "it's a rite of passage"
In seventh grade I had a homework assignment where we had to find out the side lengths of objects on graph paper and one was a triangle, so I used the Pythagorean theorem to find the length of the side and got the answer wrong, so I somehow got him to let me present in class why I was right where I explain how to use the Pythagorean theorem to the class and why my answer was right and then he just said "or you could count the squares and that's easier." And the whole class laughed at me. That guy was my enemy and after that year he knocked me out of the smart math classes so for every year in highschool I doubled up on math classes even when my teachers advised against it to get back to where I should've been and now I'm a math major, so sometimes your greatest enemies can give you the reason you go crazy with it.
Thats crazy I feel like I am majoring in math cause of the complete opposite experience, they were good normal experience, correcting little mistakes cause they innevitably happen, so pointing out things like that was never seen as strange, them letting me sleep in class cause I would just advance in the book and do all the homework advance of time, a lof of my math teachers were like father figures to me. I remember going into the last pages of the book where they usually had dumb little riddles for kids, and this one teacher would help me if I had trouble with any while people were doing homework in class. He also did a little competition in highschool were they would have a little paper with 3 riddles each week and at the end whoever got most points would gain a prize.
The last teacher before college was also specially supporting, at this point I stopped sleeping in class obviously and he was attendant to everybody, idk I just havent experienced a single bad math teacher and I am grateful for it cause it is just what I most love in the world.
That's an insane but very real story thank you for sharing
Should've just counted the squares man. Now he's got you doing epsilon delta proofs at midnight just to get a CS job after graduation
And now you've got a very specific area of careers that have been easily done by robots for the last 30 years.
@@coledelong427 Not necessarily, he could go into academia and end up doing research in high mathematics that only fifteen people in the whole world understand let alone care about
-2 honestly and this is coming from a valedictorian. Getting straight A’s is not easy! Being good at school also doesn’t mean you are smart. I have seen teachers be straight up malicious and horrible to students that were clearly undiagnosed with learning disabilities or had bad home lives.
even average 80? He did say the bar for 80 is lower in canada.
@@DevDev-dm3st dunno, I’m not Canadian and I grew up in the American school system. Canadians feel free to chime in.
@@KayleeRawrzz Im not canadian either but let's trust NL here. Straight A's are supposedly easier at Canada since A just needs to be gen 80. Kid has good homelife, teaching parents, NL has money so teacher is probs decently paid and her daughter shows no signs of mental learning disabilities behaviors. So there's not a lot of reason she should get low for elementary.
I get where you're coming from though. Where A is treated as the bare minimum for love from the parents is the most stress inducing thing ever.
NL seems to be just using A as a goal to strive for rather than a minimum. He has said an occasional B is fine .Hopefully though, when something is amiss with his daughter learning than expected, he won't get disappointed at her too much and affect her mental and instead adopt to fit her needs. Like bad teachers, bullying and/or other stuff. He has said in the clip is his daughter gets like a C for several months straight, he'll talk to her about it. Which is better than most parents.
I’ve never seen more -2s in one clip hooolyyy
its impressive how much he doubles down honestly
@@TheLibraryofLetourneau Librarian King are you on our side the wall of -2s is building for sure
@@PersonCalledErin i think i have a misplaced annoyance with his notion that school is easy cause i guess he's just referring to the canadian education system
@TheLibraryofLetourneau yes and no cuz he's also insisting that punishment can't be avoided, and then doubles down on actual punishment that has lasting negative impact
@@TheLibraryofLetourneau i just have to assume that he had a very different school experience than I who went through American Public School, which was rough
25 yo Aussie here. I've had multiple teachers that were absolutely unhinged: A math teacher that liked to bully girls and call them dumb for not understanding things, I corrected a mistake on the whiteboard and he called me an idiot and chewed me out, I was a smart ass asshole and called him an idiot back. Ended with him holding his fist up threatening to punch me and me egging him on to do it. I got excused from his class for the next two years and finished at the top of his class (was general math so not actually impressive).
So close to that lawsuit
no “x views x fell off” comments nature is healing
Real
6 likes in 6 minutes? you fell off the stairs and ravioli on me
It's crazy I felt like I was back on 2009 youtube
You said this on the last three videos?
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there's many -2s in this but the big one for me is taking a borderline useless night school degree and then saying school is easy
I did terribly in school because I just didn't care about it back then, and I gotta agree with him. It's easy af if you actually do it properly. I still remember failing a math test which meant I had to retake it. I didn't study for it at all and thought I would definitely just fail it again which would be a nuisance, so I just decided to go through the explanations in the math book 20 minutes before I had to take the test, and I ended up getting like an 85% on it lol.. it wasn't a big test and it definitely helped that I knew exactly what it covers from already taking it once, but still.
School is considered easy in retrospect because you’re recalling it with your adult faculties.
Or your adult perspective.
the curriculum was also much easier back in the 90s,
maybe the school NL experienced was really easy af
to be fair in primary school they do be giving away 100's aslong as you are being a good kid. Maybe it is different in spain but we had like 60-70% final grade attitude in class, 10-20% homework and the last percentages were exams
Always was easy for me, and I never even did homework. With NL's memory I would have gotten straight A's
I'm also recalling the fact that I spent about 0 hours a week studying and 40 playing videogames. I don't think I was an idiot for not being able to spell quandary in 2nd grade, I was an idiot because I looked at the spelling sheet once when we got it and ignored it for a week. I absolutely could've done better with MINIMAL effort.
my math teacher in highschool had an air cannon that would just send a puff of air your way. Didn't hurt but it was very startling and she was very accurate with it and it worked
that's kinda sick
11:20 The best teachers highly reward good/normal behavior and remove those rewards for bad behavior. Kids are MUCH more likely to want to behave when they will get a reward and MUCH less likely to misbehave if they cant get that good thing. Punishments used too regularly lose power.
This. I have no idea how he didn't mention anything about positive reinforcement and just stayed on positive punishment which we know is just not as effective as other methods to get kids to behave. Kinda weird.
@@ihatezombies1455teacher has like 200 kids everyday what positive reinforcement is gonna work on 200 kids?
@@williammitchell6254 Unironically yes. Positive reinforcement is almost always the superior option. Negative reinforcement can be useful but it should be used sparingly if you want actual results.
he went too boomer mode on this one. I get that he wasn't including these people in his rant, but there's a dozen reasons why a kid might be entirely justified in finding school to be a challenging or miserable experience. Approaching everybody's bad school experiences with the framework of "this didn't happen in my fairly typical school life therefore it was probably your fault" is classic NL
nl assuming the worst of the students every single time is kinda crazy? a lot of teachers abuse their power; they have a lot of it and very little oversight. i know plenty of cases where the student wasn't being disruptive at all and simply underperformed for one reason or another (hearing deficiency, adhd, whatever), and the teacher's response was to shout at them and/or attempt to humiliate them.
He's assuming the worst of a twitch chat tho which is perfectly responsible, he even agrees that certain people shouldn't teach too
I know NL was just talking about “normal” teachers, but I feel like just because he never experienced truly bad teachers doesn’t mean they’re uncommon. Hell, as a straight white guy, he probably never saw the worst sides of some of his own teachers. As a closeted gay kid, I experienced a lot of blatant, outright homophobia from more than just a couple of teachers. I wasn’t even out or aware that I was gay, but I was kind of effeminate, so I had teachers who ragged on me for being “a queer” and singled me out disproportionately for punishment (I was a pretty quiet kid, and I had good grades, so it was usually over minor stuff that they didn’t single out other kids for). There were plenty more who just chose not to step in when other kids called me homophobic slurs in class (so long as they weren’t a disruption to anyone but me). I’m not saying it was their job to stop every instance of bullying, but having had a couple of good teachers who actually did something when other kids called me slurs right in front of them, it was kind of obvious to me which teachers just didn’t give a shit.
That being said, I still feel like I got off kind of easy compared to what some of my non-white friends went through in school. Most of them, especially the ones who went to schools where most of the teachers were white, have stories of really blatant racism from their teachers. And that’s not just from a few of their teachers, but from a majority of them. There were a lot of micro-aggressions, as well as racism that juuuuust toed the line enough to not get that teacher in trouble with administration (like getting called “lazy,” “stupid,” etc. when none of their white peers got called that). It’s the kind of stuff that you don’t pick up on in school if you grew up up white, and I think there’s a lot more of a power imbalance in these situations then NL realizes. There are plenty of teachers who take advantage of this imbalance to express their bigotry, and if they’re ever called on it they can just lie and rely on the fact that adults are less likely to believe the kid than the teacher.
Oh, and I forgot to mention the shit teachers can get away with skyrockets if a student has a disability/is in a special needs class. This is maybe more of a systemic issue than a teacher one, but my middle school had a padded room (padded with those gym mats that you velcro to the walls) and if a kid from the special needs class was having a meltdown or being disruptive, they would just lock them in their, alone, with little supervision and nothing to do, sometimes for hours. The room was next to my social studies class, and my friend, an autistic kid in my grade who was allowed to sometimes attend regular classes, would sometimes be sent there and then I just wouldn’t see him for the rest of the day in any other class.
But I digress. Obviously there’s plenty of nuance to this stuff, I’m not trying to make generalizations here, but I feel like NL just kind of went nuclear on this take for no reason based on his gut feelings from his own experiences.
Oops when I was typing this shit I didn’t realize it was this long…it still looked like a reasonable length in my text window on mobile.
"This is maybe more of a systemic issue than a teacher one, but my middle school had a padded room (padded with those gym mats that you velcro to the walls)"
Holy shit that's nutty, what the hell? Why the fuck would that ever be a thing?
I feel like the teacher that failed all the guys and passed all the girls is pretty bad, and probably warranted more than a "that's just a rite of passage deal with it" from NL.
@@234fddesa Plenty of schools that have padded rooms like that, lock away any kids that have any sort of reactions from being overwhelmed. There are some horrific things that happen to ND kids even as recent as few years ago, I think worst thing I heard (and I wasn't digging for anything of the sort in my life), in the US was some like 11 year old autistic kid being tased to almost death because they didn't want to take off a leather jacket in class
Honestly the real solution, speaking as someone with education experience myself and with actual sociology and psychology research behind my opinion, is that your mechanisms for incentivizing behavior should be done with rewards and denial of rewards. If everyone is good every day of the week, you get to watch a movie, or eat nachos, or whatever the fuck. If you're bad, you dont get the reward. People want rewards because rewards are pleasurable and it feels good to attain them through your own behavior, so they'll be motivated to be good. Punishment largely doesn't work because they're already alienated from the "ideal" status quo (as NL said, you cant motivate a kid with a threat of bad grades if they dont care about getting them), so they have really nothing to lose by acting poorly.
What would you do if a student wouldn't stop talking or using their phone or whatever despite denying their rewards? I remember when teachers would try stuff like that they usually ended up having to negatively reinforce behaviors eventually. not trying to be devil's advocate just picking ur brain.
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@@jonathannieves2943there isn't a perfect solution. So it's important to remember the ultimate goal is to minimize disruptions of the class. Every punishment you give out is a disruption of class by default, So going from punishment as the first option to the 4th is already an improvement.
@@jonathannieves2943 Said student prolly sits outside for a hot minute
@@jonathannieves2943 nl be like "yeah throw bricks at the kid to shut them the hell up"
Librarian litigating childhood trauma in a 10k viewer chat while Ryan yells at him
Man, this sucked haha.
+2 succinct summation
Gotta say this is a -2 from me. I was born with cataracts and would get up from my seat to see the board or walk to where I could hear people talking. Obviously I was a distraction but wtf is punishing me going to do except traumatize me. I can't just stop having my disability. Also I might add that the Ontario school system does not support disabled students in the slightest, at least where I went to school. I already know NL is going to say "That's an exception, most kids will learn." But that's the problem. It's because I was treated like "most kids" I am in the situation I'm in today.
nl would exclude your disability from his points against the students. the strawmen are kids who are being a disruption because they dont care about the class and just want to chat with classmates and such
@@QBeeIII Yeah but my exact point is that everyone is affected regardless of intention. It was unclear at the time I was acting out of my disability and that's the entire reason I was punished. There is no distinct line you can draw between who is a good or bad actor. If you make that line too strict, it harms people in ways that are impossible to rectify.
Ill be honest a lot of this just feels like NL shouldnt have been a teacher which I think he'd agree with lol
My teacher in grade 5 was literally like, bullying me, it kinda fucked me up at the time because I was insisting it was happening but of course no adult believes you when you say that shit. I had to start cataloguing it and it only stopped once my parents started to believe me. Sometimes teachers are assholes. I'm 36 btw lmao
Yeah, I feel like NL is currently in the "bad things don't happen to people actually" levels of comfort and wealth where he's gotta raise everyone else's bar/living standards in his head so he doesn't have to feel bad about having more in a world where most people are just straightup poor. School sucked for a lot of people for a lot of reasons out of their control. They weren't just 10 year olds not liking being told how to behave. Half the issue here is how punishing most countries are to people who didn't have all their shit together when (or if) they graduated, potentially putting them forever behind in life which then forces them to take drastic action to stay afloat which then leads to an even greater slew of potential issues. Life is very hard under such an unforgiving system and we should not be so dismissive of each other's struggles just because our own weren't so bad in retrospect.
Very dismissive takes from him here, his joking aside. I understand he's just bantering, but it's shitty banter imo
Our PE teacher regularly yelled insults and slurs at our whole class and would get physical with you if you didn't behave well (like shaking you by your shoulders).
But yeah school is easy Ryan!!!
Finally, a shit take, after all these years.
The way school works is antiquated and hostile to the concept of actually teaching, children are literally not built for sitting down 8 hours and just sponging information.
The reason why school is structured the way it is still to this day is because during industrialization the point of school was to make efficient factory workers and then specialized workers, while now the first 9 or so years of school are there to filter out people who don't have the academic spirit to go forward to further studies, instead of making sure people are taught efficiently, because while the amount of information kids are supposed to learn during those first 9 or so years has increased to cover basically a bit of everything simultaneously, the way it is taught is still very much just lectures with no consideration done to how people naturally learn (with children multiple studies have shown that allowing them to interact with the subject matter, and being more dynamic in the classroom majorly improves actual learning, far more than just memorization).
The current global school system just doesn't work for everyone, especially if you have learning disabilities but also just in general it sucks as a kid because you're going through the process of learning about just existing as a human, and then puberty, while also trying to function within an environment the human brain has barely evolved to work with yet. As a adult your brain has hopefully adjusted to what modern civilization wants of you and thus in hindsight all of this is easy to gloss over but while you're dealing with everything that shit is just not that simple, not even accounting the numerous elements aside from academics that exist in school (social dynamics, which as a child is just a hell of it's own).
Then there's disabilities and mental health, and how all of that is affected by upbringing and your life at home, and all such that school was never structured to take into account.
Also, none of this even takes into account bad teachers, which absolutely exist. At best a bad teacher is just a teacher who wanted a job but doesn't really care for the teaching part in practice, at worst it's just straight up abuse that happens anytime a person who should not have power over people is allowed to have it.
Yup, probably NL's worst take.
+2 based rant
> global school system
what a dumb thing to say. There is no global school system. The idea that every school system from every country is designed to accomplish the same goal and teach in the same way is absurd.
> the way it is taught is still very much just lectures
My education in the same province as NL wasn't just lectures. Maybe you shouldn't discount the opinions NL has of a school system that you are completely ignorant of.
Also we never just had to sit around for 8 hours. One, school in Ontario is only from 8-3 or 9-4. And there is an entire hour or so for lunch and running around outside. When we were in class there were lessons, and then after the lesson there was time to work on worksheets or whatever assignment we had.
And none of that negates the fact that X person was a shitty child in an environment that a single adult had to deal with 30 kids in.
I also have a time taking someone serious who talks about a 'global school system' when even in the US the material varies basically by county.
The fuck you mean finally, my man has shit takes on a regular basis.
Actual gasleak takes
Sane chatter: "Brussel sprouts are delicious actually compared to the way entertainment for children displays them"
NL: "Yes, and here's the worst take about the public education system you have ever heard."
@@spaghettivase4808 yeah i was losing my mind. idk if its a canada thing but i was in the second ranked class and almost everyone had to struggle through at least a few of the subjects through the years, it was by no means easy
Bro was cooking some weird soup man.
@@TheLibraryofLetourneauIt's a Canada thing. I'm from Australia and took some classes with my cousin, who was in 11th grade while I had just finished 7th grade. The classes were about the same difficulty. Public education is cooked over there.
@@roryburke7857 as a canadian NL is fucking cooked in the brain i think
I had a comp sci teacher who physically threatened me (he'd probably say it was "jokingly"), berated me in front of the whole class for being behind because I knew if I said anything he would freak out and then told me I would not amount to anything. And because I was 15 I blamed myself. So yeah there's no amount of having to deal with shitty kids that justifies that kind of behavior.
He'd agree with you tho
i feel like people tend to blame teachers for the conditions they have to work in, like of course the teacher has to take some actions that out of context seem insane because the system threw like 30 kids at them and fundamentally fails to teach them to want to learn. i only discovered how fucking awesome math is *after* high school on my own. punishment is a bad way to teach kids but the system doesn't give teachers almost any other options especially when there's a whole classroom of middle schoolers with competing interests
Yes, this is (usually) not the fault of the teachers. But this is also something a lot of people forget whenever criticism of school gets brought up. When people say "school sucks," they often don't mean like "I had to do a bunch of boring homework." They mean "putting one person solely in charge of 30 kids per class leads to nobody getting enough time, and the way classes tend to be designed is not conducive to making kids want to learn. So the current system doesn't succeed in doing the one thing it really ought to be good at, which means the system is bad." Or in short, school sucks.
kids will want to learn if you're not terrible at teaching though
@@arosbastion7052Actually, I wanted to go home and play RuneScape and talk to my friends instead of doing anything productive. I'm pretty certain that's the case for like, almost every other kid too.
This is true, but it doesn't mean some teachers aren't absolutely just bitter jaded adults who get a power trip out of wiping the smiles off of kids' faces. As an adult there's some teachers I look back on who were genuinely disgusting people who did so much harm to everyone's confidence. Teachers don't like to take accountability when they can blame kids having undeveloped minds, but sometimes they genuinely are the problem, even if the whole class isn't failing.
@@arosbastion7052 This genuinely depends on the kids though, as a former teacher. You're right that most of the class will want to learn or at worst be indifferent to it. But there's always a 5-10% that no matter what just will not ever want to learn no matter what you do, and instead make it their sole mission in life to derail everything as much as possible so no one else can learn either. And those are the ones who will eat up 80% of the teacher's time and effort if they'll allow it. Just like adults, some kids are just assholes and sociopaths. At a certain point you have to just teach the kids who are there to learn and don't let the few who refuse disrupt things, because it's not fair to the rest of the class who are well-behaved and trying their best.
My best friend in 7th grade got yelled at until he cried. He didnt solve a math question fast enough (he took around 10 seconds.) always was a straight a student and always tried his hardest. Same teacher got bullied by the other class, felt like he let out his anger on us.
Had a teacher in 4th grade fail me on a spelling test because I capitalized the words. "I didn't tell you to do that" was her excuse and I'm still bitter about it 15 years later.
I had a teacher almost fail me, because I diddn't un-capitalize the headings in a powerpoint. I'm still taking umbrage with it, 10 years later.
There's a lot in this that stuck out as terrible takes to me but the one in particular that I wanna point out is about people who are now in their 20s holding grudges about what happened with their teachers when they were kids. It shouldn't be that hard to understand why that's a thing if you take 5 seconds to think about it...
It's almost as if... traumatic/terrifying/unpleasant experiences during the formative period of a person's life leaves a lasting impact on them? And telling them to get over it with so little acknowledgement of their experience requires turning that empathy switch way off, I feel like.
there's a big difference between expecting A's, confronting your kid if they're not getting A's, disciplining your kid if they're not getting A's, and expressing disappointment to your kid for not getting A's
Expecting As is fine and probably good, how you act on that expectation is the most important thing.
I wanna say dr k from healthygamergg said that the best outcomes are associated w parents with high expectations but also high empathy
@@andyentrekin5893 I think i've watched that, it definitely makes sense 100%
Yeah and NL never really specified what level he's at with this. Like he got to "ok a B+ sometimes is fine" but didn't go further. The real ridiculous takes don't come until later
I know NL just says stuff for content sometimes but kids should never fear to be attacked or in any way physically harmed by their teachers. Even if it "doesnt hurt that much".
That's what he said tho??
When did he say that my brother in christ
@@ch1dd When he talks about it "just being blisters" and "should be allowed to throw stuff at kids that dont hurt that much". To a lesser extent also the "standing until your legs hurt" punishment.
@@TheEnecca The first one he doesn't even know what a wheelbarrow exercise is, but it's debatable that he didn't try to change his opinion after the description. The second one, he's right, throwing chalk bits or something gets someone's attention with no physical punishment or berating needed. Standing until your legs hurt is also fine, because a punishment doens't happen without reason, and getting tired will discourage the behavior that provoked it.
"Fear to be attacked" and "physically harmed" is a SEVERE overstatement to what any of those things are. Way off anything he said.
@@ch1dd He cared about the outcome not the exercise itself and it caused physically harm. Also if i throw something at you then i attacked. I already covered that it doesnt need to hurt much for me to dislike it. He still said exactly that.
Lastly i dont think the reason and possible effectivness matters at all. Thats my whole point about it never being ok.
Man this one actually sucked to listen to
Legit couldn't finish it
@@HeckYep lmao
yeah this was actually really bad...
he really showed that he's just a stupid, privileged streamer - like the rest of them.
actually kind of genuinely shocking takes going on here. there’s too many moving pieces in a kid’s life during school years that they have absolutely no control over and likely little understanding of to operate entirely off of the assumption that if your kid pays attention then they’ll get straight As. it’s easy to think like that as an adult with emotional maturity and the faculties to logically deal with the shit going on in your life but if you’re like 14 you aren’t gonna know what the hell is going on or what to do about it 95% of the time. hope his kid doesn’t have anything happen in her life outside the classroom that distracts from the all important red letter at the top of her 7th grade math test. hard to watch
Most of those "things outside of her control" are under HIS control. He's only talking about his daughter here
he's literally just saying that he expects his child to put in effort to do well at school. How is that a crazy take
i wonder how this guy would justify the time the teacher shoved me onto the ground in 2nd grade for cutting in line
This was the most -2 video I think I’ve ever seen from NL god damn he’s REALLY trying to get those r/teachers brownie points
That'll teach him 😤
NL can tell me coke zero is healthy and i dont bat an eye but as soon as he starts calling school easy my ADHD ass is LIVID.
yeah i was undiagnosed with ADHD and autism if my parents had been on my as about getting A's I actually would have killed myself
Sounds like you were just lazy.
@@jeremyphillips3087this but unironically
undiagnosed going through school and constantly comparing myself to other people had me suic*dal ngl. getting diagnosed came in as a blessing itself
He's not wrong though, school is easy, but it is really hard to focus, like I'd have "streaks" where I'd just lock in and get straight A's, and it felt insanely easy, but by the end of the year I'd be getting C's just because I cannot focus on any of the material and I am extremely burnt out.
Thise punishments dont work either just makes the kids hate you lol
what works?
@@JamrockHobo It has generally been shown in pretty much every single study on child pshycology that rewards and the like are a many times more effective mechanics to enourage certain behaviours. Punishments merely make children resent authority figures, wether they be parents or teachers
damn, this just makes me sad for his kid. i hope luna turns out okay, because jesus
I hated how much he strawmanned in this one
As a beginner teacher, what the fuck man
No it's not that easy to sit down 8h a day for class
My 6th grade lit teacher called me a gay know-it-all
Now whether or not she was correct is a whole other story
+2 comment/story
Literal Abuse from a person in power torwards children:
NL: "Well, I'm sure it was actually your fault."
mfw people call turning a desk around "actual child abuse"
@@Veilurehow's it feel to be the most annoying person in a comment section full of annoying people?
@@cubecat7759 +2. so many weird dickriders in this comment section disingenuously misinterpreting everyone who disagrees with the bald man
Ah yes casually ignoring the getting blisters part @@Veilure
No disrespect, but NL is severely out of touch on some shit and ends up saying the dumbest shit in an attempt to find a crumb of a bit.
I really don't understand how he thinks exercise as a physical punishment is okay. That just seems like a very roundabout way of causing physical pain to your child without actually hitting them.
I feel like he has to just be yappin because he often talks about not using food as punishment/reward to avoid weird brain associations lol you would think it would also apply to exercise or learning
@@beepees I sure do hope so. This is the worst take he's ever had. Genuinely makes me think less of him.
Bro, exercise and wall sits for five minutes are not comparable to abuse at all. Worst case scenario is you get in really good shape.
@@spaghettioverlord3247 yeah they're not abuse TO YOU because they're not punishments. You're doing it because you want to.
@@eywrong It isn’t abuse at all. Children are supposed to be active. If your child is incapable of exercise then they shouldn’t be in school. Do you think the existence of PE class is abuse too? What punishment do you think would be better suited, because I feel like berating them would either be too traumatic for the kids it’s effective on and completely pointless on other kids.
Northernlion loves to take the myopic view of his immediate world and make broad prescriptive judgements about other human beings. LOL
"Ive had this thing happen to me, so you being different in any way is a moral failing." ?????
Classic dumb-smart behavior
that would be crazy if he actually said that
@@spanzotab brother i'm begging you stop responding to every comment on this video trying to start an argument
@@chopman5152 I just want people to beome smarter
@@spanzotab Look inward
I normally love Northernlion and his banter but this one was too much for me. I'm thankful he didn't have a shitty time in school but it's tough hearing "if school sucked it was on you" when for me it was dealing with intense bullying, being gifted but then burning out in high school and the teachers of the classes I failed not caring, and a lot of untreated ADHD/autism.
This isn't to say "man I hate NL I'm never gonna watch him again" it's just that I hope that he sees other people's stories and tries to understand the other side of the coin from people who hated their school life and that this isn't just 15 year olds mad cause they have homework, but people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s still dealing with the after-effects of a bad school experience.
@@missmoo5621 oh 100% this is a reasonable take, the whole rant he went on felt pretty close minded and dismissive to me
@@missmoo5621 I'm right there with you, very similar experiences. I loved actually learning interesting stuff, but that was about only 15-20% of the whole school experience for me. Everything else was hell
I've watched NL for hundreds and hundreds of hours, this might be the only time I've been genuinely angry at what he's saying. Only accepting straight A's from his kid, thinking physical punishment on children is acceptable, laughing at and mocking people who were hurt, dismissing perfectly fair criticism of teachers and victim-blaming the kid by assuming they must have been an awful student, saying essentially "well I was hurt by teachers and I turned out fine, maybe hurting kids is good actually..." Christ, this one actually lowered my opinion of him.
It gets worse the longer it goes on. I really cannot understand how he started by being so empathetic saying "you shouldn't make the first quarter of someone's life just about getting good grades" and somehow ended with "there is no reason anyone shouldn't get perfect grades, if you do it's because you don't care enough lmao." Ever heard of mental illness? Disabilities? Unfair teachers? Underfunded education systems? Bad home life? Educational discrimination? Simply not being good at a subject??? Nah it's better to just point and laugh and blame students who already have a tough life.
@@Eyeguy640noooo I don't think he was talking specifically with mentally disabled or neurodivergent people in mind. I think he was talking from personal experience and from what I've heard he's had a pretty decent childhood so he's probably thinking from the perspective of "if I didn't get good grades it because I was lazy". He didn't specify any of that though and people like you with valid points are getting angry about something he didn't think he was implying. I'd like to think if his daughter did have some of the issues you mentioned, that he'd be understanding enough to change his standards for her. I don't think the things he said came from a cruel place but a misguided one
Well if you accuse him of a point he never made then yeah
@@LuciferMorningstar-uk7oh He made all of those points at various times
- said you should be allowed to use wall-sits on kids, including his own
- replied to the person who got blisters from doing wheelbarrows by saying it's not a big deal
- replied to every chatter with some variation of "you were probably doing something to deserve it"
You're in denial
@@LuciferMorningstar-uk7oh he was also trying to be comedic and he's on for several hours at a time. He's said it before but it's like he's doing stand-up every stream and you get to watch in real time as the jokes are formed, they can't always be wins though. I think he saw how upset chat was getting with him and decided to double down because it'd be funny to HIM. It's common for someone to say something they don't whole-heartedly agree with just to get some reactions or laughs. Obviously doesn't make what he said okay but people are acting like he's calling for children to be punished like soldiers and I don't think that's all that fair to him
One time my teacher yelled at me to stop disrupting the class when I hiccuped. Most stressful five minutes of my life trying my best to suppress them lol
Tf is he playing? That twitter post was right.
Link?
librarian can you pull that up
twitter.com/fatestaynova/status/1782232755721449941
lmao
@@TheLibraryofLetourneau literally how did you know what he was talking about.
holy he shouldn't have been a teacher and i think he knows it
those poor kids being sent to the principal, I hope they're dealilng with their trauma healthily
He’s so punishmentpilled unless it comes to him punishing Luna. But its ok if the school does it 🤣
This take is genuinely evil to anyone who had a disorder or disabilities in school.
"My brain inherently functioned differently, in some cases insufficiently, and prevented me from achieving high grades in certain classes."
"You were just lazy lol. and a bad kid, person I do not know."
As a person who has taught k-8 before, I agree it's tough, and we put alot on the teachers. Of course my teachers in the past didn't have the time to tutor me specifically just because of my disorders, especially considering how I couldn't stay after school because I had a single mother that worked late. This is a failure of the systems and not solely on the laziness of the student or teacher. The idea that laziness is the only part of the problem is what allows this flaw to stay in place.
Regarding physical punishments. I would never, under any circumstances, physically punish one of my students. This is an inappropriate use of power and wrong, and I shouldn't have to tell you why. I am glad nl does not teach anymore.
He's not talking about those people, though. He's talking about his daughter, who learned to read at three years old.
@@Veilure He wasn't only talking about his daughter though, did we watch the same clip?
he never said that
@@Veilurestop spamming the same comment and actually watch the video