Peter always destroys the product, gets everyone to either go out or make high offers and he then comes in with a reasonable offer in the end making him look good
He knew he was gonna invest in the company even while he was slagging off the product. This was purely to lowball the entrepreneurs and deman they give him more than 10x the equity they asked for. Kind of like deliberately finding something wrong with a car just to haggle him down to a price come negotiation time. Simple business acumen on a big scale by Peter. Smart move, good investment.
Jenny: I exist and therefore I'm out! Tej: I eat vitamins and make websites! Touker: I have an office in downtown Narnia! Deborah: I want to see your patent! Peter: This is a horrible business, here's my offer for it! Dragons, assemble!
Jenny's the only one who truly acts like a Dragon - hiding under a mountain, hoarding her gold, for thousands of years until she exists only in myth and legend.
The valuation was not the only reason. She liked the product, but there was a lot of work needed to be done, and for what price? 2.5% Dragons often berate the people coming into the Den who have pie in the sky valuations, and most of the time don't invest. Usually Jenny gives some poor reasons for not investing, but this she gave some good reasons.
@@Locutus the 2.5% was what the investors wanted to offer, all the Dragons did not agree with it either and asked for more. Like you said if Jenny liked the product but needed a lot of work why did counter with a bigger % like the other Dragons? Another bullshit way out to not invest
@@Locutus Jenny didnt invest on the grounds that there was a lot of work to do and it wasn't worth it for 2.5% of the business, so why not make a counter offer for a percentage that would make it worth her while? I'll tell you why, because shes no intention of investing in anything, ever, she just wants the publicity.
@@everythingrs6693 So you have never seen any of the other Dragons not invest because the valuation was too high? Peter has chastised many people for having a high valuation, but liked the product, but didn't invest because of the valuation.
“Your product it’s crap, packaging it’s crap, it’s all crap...” Peter Jones “I love your brand and what you are doing with it!” Peter Jones a few minutes later
the dude's a manipulator for sure; but the encounters are also extremely edited even from moment to moment so there's no doubt it's much harder to notice when you're there in the den trying to deal.
To be fair, actual quality of the packaging etc. is a whole different thing from the branding. The brand is the idea of how you want to appear as a product and they nailed that. The naming and packaging however is part of the execution going south.
They've now changed their name to UpCircle with their coffee scrubs and are doing so amazing. Saw them at a health and beauty trade show and they won a meeting to be stocked in Sainsbury's. Really happy for them!
I'm so pleased to hear that, I just loved this whole pitch and these 2 with their great pitch! The things like the quality of print and packaging are actually really easy to fix (Peter Jones knew that too lol) and I was thinking wow this is like a perfect investment - genuinely honest nice people, great concept, and we all know how important issues like waste and recycling, vegan products, etc are. Hope their success continues!! 😀
Peter has a standard strategy to cut out the other Dragons. He starts off hard undermining the pitch to sew the seeds of doubt among the other Dragons. They then pull out and he swoops in to claim his prize.
The lift doesn't actually work. They're all on the same floor. They just walk in the lift on one side and then wait for the doors to open on the other lol
There are three things certain in life: 1. Death 2. Taxes 3. Jenny saying “I’m out” Unless you go to the Cayman Islands, where there are only two: 1. Death 2. Jenny saying “I’m out”
"Choice between Batman and robin, or Superman" Well considering Batman is a wildly successful businessman with billions of dollars and dozens of companies in every industry all over the world under his umbrella, while Superman is a journalist who only has his apartment and family farm because Batman bought them and gave them to him... I know who I'd choose for an investment.
This is the first Dragon's Den product that I've actually seen out in the real world /prior/ to seeing them on Dragon's Den. I think they're doing well for themselves!
Nice how Deborah brings up her ethical toiletries factory and how she could easily take care of their production before going straight on to say that she's out. At weekends she also likes to offer candy to children and then throw it in the bin.
The issues raised regarding the packaging and branding for me actually help sell it, it makes it look more handcrafted and ethical rather than mass-produced in a factory marketed by a bunch of overpaid unimaginative suits that only care about making money rather than the ethical side of the business.
This one was such a good clip. Peter knows how to control the den and get what he wants, but because they wanted two dragons he couldn't quite get it this time!
7:40 I didn't think I'd ever hear those words from Jenny! There's a first time for everything. Tbh, the guy was already nodding knowing what she was going to say.
I like these negotiating skills. It's not often you see someone go for anything, even something small, and get it. They went for a realistic goal and it paid off. Well done to them.
@@Mecz2 I do but they recycle the coffee so solved that waste problem. How do you know that they then don't recycle the plastic coffee caps? Plus most coffee chains don't even use the coffee capsules so there's no point in bitching about this problem that doesn't exist
Be careful when you write stuff like this because I know you might not mean it in nasty way but imagine if she read that. Maybe she might not care or maybe she could be really upset on the inside and thats not a nice way to feel for anyone.
“You know you have something here, with the ethical side and the sales, I think the business could be really successful. You’re getting the product in to major retailers, and I could see this brand taking off and being a market leader in this space. I’m out.”
I have been watching these videos for a week. Now anytime I see Peter absolutely obliterating a business in the initial comment I just know he is definitely gonna offer lol. It's just a brutal negotiating trick.
I am still waiting for a video from Dragon's den where they read the comments written about them, would love to see Jenny get laughed at by the others while she reads the all I am out jokes
I swear those two are actually waiting for the moment Jenny says "I'm out.", that's why they're smiling like that. They were probably like "OH MY GOD SHE SAID IT THERE IT IS" "SHE SAID IT TO US YES"
Before Jenny starts speaking just double press the right side three times to skip 30 seconds so you can hear the short version of her speech which is "I'm out"
RUclips changed Peters name to Pizza and now all I can say is Damn Pizza is a smooth cruel fighter against the other dragons. You almost forget they're fighting each other than he pulls out his claws. 😭
They’ve rebranded the business, it’s called upcircle. New packing, labelling and they did ditch the plastic for aluminium. They distribute globally. And the business is a success, they’re on track to make £1.5 million this year.
She doesnt have millions. She worked as a standard employee for years and eventually bought a dying company, used her operational and business analyst experience and turned it around, then sold it. She has 1 success to her name
Jenny literally comes for the free glass of water
always dressed in that blue suit... this is the first time Ive seen her in a different outfit
Craig Reidy nah tbh I’ve seen her in this outfit too...
To be honest, I can't really deny that.
hahahahahaha
hahaha!!!
Peter always destroys the product, gets everyone to either go out or make high offers and he then comes in with a reasonable offer in the end making him look good
He knew he was gonna invest in the company even while he was slagging off the product. This was purely to lowball the entrepreneurs and deman they give him more than 10x the equity they asked for. Kind of like deliberately finding something wrong with a car just to haggle him down to a price come negotiation time. Simple business acumen on a big scale by Peter. Smart move, good investment.
@@takeAstabzzz but 2% is nothing.
Yep. Always seems to be his modus operandi when he thinks other dragons will compete.
takeAstabzzz that’s literally what the first guy said but okay
Arrogant man glad batman and Robin beat him
Jenny: I exist and therefore I'm out!
Tej: I eat vitamins and make websites!
Touker: I have an office in downtown Narnia!
Deborah: I want to see your patent!
Peter: This is a horrible business, here's my offer for it!
Dragons, assemble!
true
Pizza Rat Debra?
lmaoooo
😂😂😂😂😂😂
best DD comment in a long time
They never "lost their first dragon", she was never "in" to begin with.
Then Deborah was the first dragon they lost lol
Was she ever in the game to start with 😂
00Kuja00 she was out once she heard the word “investment”
Well said
Never got so many likes before. Funny it happened on a random "Jenny comment". ^^*
Jenny's the only one who truly acts like a Dragon - hiding under a mountain, hoarding her gold, for thousands of years until she exists only in myth and legend.
That made me laugh ok
This made me laugh. It genuinely deserves 1k likes at least.
Lmao
Truly a comment that will exist in the yore of legend to be.
Makes Samaug look like a chimp.
Waiting for Touca to say "I don't get out of bed for 2%"...
Who?
does anyone have a link to the two times he said that? i forgot what those episodes were. love touca
And counter with office space in london
Touker*
what if he sells 2% of office space?
"I love that you are brother and sister.. for that reason, I am out." - Jenny
Hahahah!
When she said "I am out" the sibling's instantaneous smile and thank you - looked almost like total relief.
Looool
Even if Jenny makes an offer, she is being rejected lol
Jenny only turns up for the free buffet.
Guys the amount of Jenny jokes is getting OUTrageous.
Pahahahahahaha you broke the internet's with this comment brah
@@drewb1263 omg stop with those jenny jokes geez
and for that reason im out.
These jokes are out of order.
First time something was out before Jenny.
Jenny, We are doing another 5 episodes of Dragon's Den.
I'm out.
I see what you did there. And for that reason,
I'm going to make you an offer
Jenny says the valuation is wrong therefore she is out, how about making a counter offer like the rest? Weak excuse to not invest, worst Dragon ever
I believe you are repeating what Tej said
The valuation was not the only reason. She liked the product, but there was a lot of work needed to be done, and for what price? 2.5%
Dragons often berate the people coming into the Den who have pie in the sky valuations, and most of the time don't invest.
Usually Jenny gives some poor reasons for not investing, but this she gave some good reasons.
@@Locutus the 2.5% was what the investors wanted to offer, all the Dragons did not agree with it either and asked for more. Like you said if Jenny liked the product but needed a lot of work why did counter with a bigger % like the other Dragons? Another bullshit way out to not invest
@@Locutus Jenny didnt invest on the grounds that there was a lot of work to do and it wasn't worth it for 2.5% of the business, so why not make a counter offer for a percentage that would make it worth her while? I'll tell you why, because shes no intention of investing in anything, ever, she just wants the publicity.
@@everythingrs6693 So you have never seen any of the other Dragons not invest because the valuation was too high? Peter has chastised many people for having a high valuation, but liked the product, but didn't invest because of the valuation.
It’s interesting how when the entrepreneurs are asked which dragon they’re aiming for, no one has ever said Jenny.
Because she will be out.
hmm get good observation, wonder why that is. Can't quite put my finger on it
They have no chance so 'out' her themselves.
Pocket Man i think it’s because jenny is a millionaire from an atm company and is way less known in the business world
or she’s just meh
and for that reason, she's out
“Your product it’s crap, packaging it’s crap, it’s all crap...” Peter Jones
“I love your brand and what you are doing with it!” Peter Jones a few minutes later
the dude's a manipulator for sure; but the encounters are also extremely edited even from moment to moment so there's no doubt it's much harder to notice when you're there in the den trying to deal.
To be fair, actual quality of the packaging etc. is a whole different thing from the branding. The brand is the idea of how you want to appear as a product and they nailed that. The naming and packaging however is part of the execution going south.
Peter is like a master poker player.
You strongly raise objections to see how the person reacts. This shows you how they will react in a sales situation to the customers objections.
Dissuading the other dragons, for his benefit.b
When Jenny says "i'm out" their reactions are "thank you" and smiles. When Deborah says "i'm out" their reactions are instant sorrow and pain.
The day that one of them says ''I understand'' xD
@@netweed09 Someone needs to do that in the next season. Oh wait, Jenny's *permanently* out already, isn't she?
@@krishanubanerjee6955 The ultimate in out technology.
SPOILER ALERT
Jenny’s Out.
Never would've guessed haha
REALLY? 😂
I actually waited till the end to click the ‘see more’ button on this comment 😂
GOD DAMN YOU FECKIN PPL POSTING SPOILERS
no harm done
Peter: I believe In the company and I just want a teny tiny 90% of the company 😂😂😂
actually i think thats a bit overvalued for the amount your asking so i'll raise my stake just a bit to 101%
lol
Yeah, I noticed the "teny tiny" part, Hhumm !
They've now changed their name to UpCircle with their coffee scrubs and are doing so amazing. Saw them at a health and beauty trade show and they won a meeting to be stocked in Sainsbury's. Really happy for them!
I'm so pleased to hear that, I just loved this whole pitch and these 2 with their great pitch! The things like the quality of print and packaging are actually really easy to fix (Peter Jones knew that too lol) and I was thinking wow this is like a perfect investment - genuinely honest nice people, great concept, and we all know how important issues like waste and recycling, vegan products, etc are. Hope their success continues!! 😀
That's great. Touker was 100% right about "Optiat" sounding like an optician's.
thanks for the heads up! im going to be trying it for sure :)
but, the investment didnt go through. i say, good for them
I’m going onto the show asking for investment for a book containing all the jokes about jenny.
Jenny: scrubs her whole body in the wash wow this is the best scrub I've ever used I look ten years younger!
"I'm out"
Chango Chilemba it’s not a Miracle scrub...lol
Director: Roll Camera, Sound, Action
Jenny: I am out.
😂😂😂
im flooring lmaooooo
The only company I have seen that recycles more than Jenny jokes in the comment section.
And for that reason im out.
The Jenny comments aren't jokes. They are facts. The witch is a waste of space.
*op in English please.
Ben Jorgensen I noticed that there are a lot of recycled comments as well
and for that reason I’m out.
Out of the question. Therefore I'm out!
Jenny: "A Scrub is a guy that thinks he's fly..."
"For THAT reason...I'm out."
Jeff Gachihi 😂😂
😂😂
Brilliant
😁😂😂
Peter has a standard strategy to cut out the other Dragons. He starts off hard undermining the pitch to sew the seeds of doubt among the other Dragons. They then pull out and he swoops in to claim his prize.
The lift doesn't actually work. They're all on the same floor. They just walk in the lift on one side and then wait for the doors to open on the other lol
Go on. Spoil the experience
You've completely ruined my life
@@movzfast :(
Whooosh
how do you know. they used to walk up stairs
Literally nothing happens:
Jenny: aight, ima head out
Big bang happens..
Jenny: I'm out.
Taj is pure class, talks less and makes boss moves
Jenny literally comes in just for the free tests on the products. “Im out”
Jenny: I don’t like acronyms I’m out
😂😂😂😂
J enny
E xiting
N ow?
N ooooooo …
Y es!
Narrator: "But will Jenny..."
Me shouting : "NOOOOOOO!!!!"
"But will Jenny.... say she is out ?"
8:16 Look at Jenny. That literally sums up her attitude in the Den the entire series.
Why the hell is she even there! She puts us off!
She is probaly considering new reasons for being out
There are three things certain in life:
1. Death
2. Taxes
3. Jenny saying “I’m out”
Unless you go to the Cayman Islands, where there are only two:
1. Death
2. Jenny saying “I’m out”
"Choice between Batman and robin, or Superman"
Well considering Batman is a wildly successful businessman with billions of dollars and dozens of companies in every industry all over the world under his umbrella, while Superman is a journalist who only has his apartment and family farm because Batman bought them and gave them to him... I know who I'd choose for an investment.
lol
'I don't want no scrubs' and for that reason I'm a huge TLC fan.
Me: *Sees Jenny at the start of the show* "Yeah she's out"
This is the first Dragon's Den product that I've actually seen out in the real world /prior/ to seeing them on Dragon's Den. I think they're doing well for themselves!
"You don't have a bad option; you have the choice between Batman and Robin, and Superman", is just one reason why Peter Jones is absolutely priceless.
1:51 Whenever Deborah hears Vegan, she goes O_O
Aditya Pasari 🤣🤣 this is right up my alley
Aditya Pasari maybe because she’s a good human being
Boo Bella bore off
@@boobella899 Its because you vegans buy this crap.
Somehow I’m bad for caring about animal welfare? clearly you don’t
What's your selling point,
Second hand ingredients.
Peter is like intuition incarnate, when he offered everyone know its a good deal
Nice how Deborah brings up her ethical toiletries factory and how she could easily take care of their production before going straight on to say that she's out. At weekends she also likes to offer candy to children and then throw it in the bin.
We all know what box Jenny crossed in the EU Referendum
The issues raised regarding the packaging and branding for me actually help sell it, it makes it look more handcrafted and ethical rather than mass-produced in a factory marketed by a bunch of overpaid unimaginative suits that only care about making money rather than the ethical side of the business.
My names Jenny and for that reason I’m out.
They show Jenny's face a lot so that we won't forget that she's there
She's just out for the cameras
I wonder what Jenny is writing so furiously in her book when she knows damned well she's never going to be in.
Iam a northan girl iam a northan girl iam a Yorkshire girl iam a Yorkshire girl
@Tayler Daye 😂😄😅
"I'd rather eat this coffee scrub than share"
"Ok... go on then"
Peter always finds something wrong and shreds the pitch to pieces but then waits til last to make an offer so that his sounds better lmao
Me: Hi im Rick
Jenny: Hi im out, i mean Jenny
I constantly refresh my RUclips at 12pm just waiting for the upload, never disappoints
Peter: This tube is leacking.
Inventors: Oh that's just Jenny going out!
One of the nicest episodes so far! And such an inspirational product.
this brother and sister are just lovely and lovable, I really hope their business to be successful
Peter Jones “You have the choice between Batman and Robin or Superman” wow😂😂😂
I choose Iron Man.
Jenny loves the free products. She probably gives them to People for Christmas Presents.
Seems accurate!
"- In Scandinavia, esp finland"
The term Scandinavia in local usage covers the three countries of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden
I always thought that Finland was part of Scandinavia as well but obviously I was wrong, you just taught me something today thank you.
The rest of the world includes the fins....
Peter baits everyone out with the negative comments at the start and when everyone pulls out he makes an offer.
Jenny's face when they are handing out the samples and she is scared she is gonna miss out. Classic jenny
This one was such a good clip. Peter knows how to control the den and get what he wants, but because they wanted two dragons he couldn't quite get it this time!
I would love to give Touker a hug 😂 He seems like such a gentleman
Every time when Jenny says I’m out she makes entrepreneurs soooo happy for not attempting to make a deal 😜
More like the entrepreneur is like "sorry I didn't realize you were still here".
Hahaha defo 🤣
7:40 I didn't think I'd ever hear those words from Jenny! There's a first time for everything.
Tbh, the guy was already nodding knowing what she was going to say.
Has Jenny even got any money? I've never seen her invest in anything.
She's got money she just doesn't like parting with it, like plenty of rich people out there.
Not a risk taker that's all
I heard a rumour she is on the dole.
@@69MrBunny and for that reason, she's out
That's because she has to go out to withdraw from the cash machines 1st
I like these negotiating skills. It's not often you see someone go for anything, even something small, and get it. They went for a realistic goal and it paid off. Well done to them.
ethically minded yet tonnes of plastic packaging. 1000 years from now their plastic will be floating in the ocean
but its v e g a n bro
Oh shut up
@@gerafederik297 Sorry do you not live on this planet too fucknut?
Yaaa should put there products in glass containers that you can return too the shop for a small amount off your next purchase.
@@Mecz2 I do but they recycle the coffee so solved that waste problem. How do you know that they then don't recycle the plastic coffee caps? Plus most coffee chains don't even use the coffee capsules so there's no point in bitching about this problem that doesn't exist
I’m honestly glad they got rid of Jenny, worst dragon we’ve ever had on the show
Be careful when you write stuff like this because I know you might not mean it in nasty way but imagine if she read that. Maybe she might not care or maybe she could be really upset on the inside and thats not a nice way to feel for anyone.
mustafah umar 👌🏻👌🏻
@@mustafahumar3831 The truth hurts man.
@@mustafahumar3831 Who cares. The truth should be told. Useless dragon
@@Someonesch yeah what I said is the truth. It can upset people and put them in a negative state of mind so just be careful was my warning.
“You know you have something here, with the ethical side and the sales, I think the business could be really successful. You’re getting the product in to major retailers, and I could see this brand taking off and being a market leader in this space. I’m out.”
Completely misquoted but yeah.
@@bytemarc8550 It's called paraphrasing.
@@mhjl0 You don't use quotation marks when paraphrasing.
@@neopickaze you do when you reference 🤔
Kyle Craven paraphrasing is not referencing
Jenny: I love your product but it's raining today. Therefore, I'm out.
Nooo, lol , it's ''sunny''
I have been watching these videos for a week. Now anytime I see Peter absolutely obliterating a business in the initial comment I just know he is definitely gonna offer lol. It's just a brutal negotiating trick.
Debrah: so, my house burned...
Me: beg your pardon?
Rewind 10 seconds
Debrah: so, my husband...
Me: ooooh
This is one of the best visits to the den I've seen 👍
They started off looking like they were perfect but when they asked for 2% and were then picked apart they were shown to be really naive
I am still waiting for a video from Dragon's den where they read the comments written about them, would love to see Jenny get laughed at by the others while she reads the all I am out jokes
Can we just acknowledge of how god dam good peter is
He is a G
He’s class
She literally had to use her finger to count how many dragons there where. Jesus 😂
Jenny was kidnapped by al qaida and locked in a secure bunker in Iraq.
Then she said "I'm out" and got back in time for this episode.
10:16 Jenny realises where she actually is
Jenny 'Hears lift coming up', Jenny: "I'm out!"
God Bless those 2 kids They are people I would want to work with.
I swear those two are actually waiting for the moment Jenny says "I'm out.", that's why they're smiling like that. They were probably like "OH MY GOD SHE SAID IT THERE IT IS" "SHE SAID IT TO US YES"
I'm sure I heard Jenny say she was out as they walked in
Who is that woman in red?
She never invests.
I t's rumoured her name is "Jenny"... she is OUTbid by others dragons mostly...
Like you don't know 😂😂
Jenny "I hate you and your product I think it's a waste of money I would never invest in that! And for that reason I want to make you an offer"
You must be new here, for that reason, I’m out
"You got the choice between Batman, Robin or Superman"
Robin: 13:55
Surprisingly, Jenny started to look promising, but then she's Jenny, so she's out!!
Before Jenny starts speaking just double press the right side three times to skip 30 seconds so you can hear the short version of her speech which is "I'm out"
12:00 is the new happy hour
"I'm your preferred Dragon, and for that reason: I'm out."
There is always a method to Peters madness, the mind games are immense. True business man lmfao
Just shows that having a good product is far from everything. One of the best examples for people that study business.
At 7:45 just check out the relief in their faces LOL
RUclips changed Peters name to Pizza and now all I can say is Damn Pizza is a smooth cruel fighter against the other dragons. You almost forget they're fighting each other than he pulls out his claws. 😭
Peter is clever. He always speaks the last and always undercuts the other dragons :)
The look on Debs' face at 15:26 as the doors closed is priceless!!
For that Superman reference alone i would've picked Peter in a heartbeat lol
7:43 sec Anna knows Jenny's tendency not to invest. She barely holds in her laughter hahahaha
Amazing siblings, great pitch, great negotiation, great deal
They’ve rebranded the business, it’s called upcircle. New packing, labelling and they did ditch the plastic for aluminium. They distribute globally. And the business is a success, they’re on track to make £1.5 million this year.
I literally LIVE for the Jenny comments.. Never disappointed
Jenny has no balls to invest I’m shocked she’s a millionaire
Facts: 1. As a woman she doesnt have balls
2. As Jenny she doesnt have millions
She doesnt have millions. She worked as a standard employee for years and eventually bought a dying company, used her operational and business analyst experience and turned it around, then sold it. She has 1 success to her name
@@surendaniel Balls is an expression for risk taking obviously also its clear Jenny doesn't like to take risks
@@informationyes /whoosh
@@surendaniel odd joke
Jenny: I'm out
Me: I'm soo surprised
Love this one. Wouldn't buy it myself, but all for ethical manufacturing. All the best to them.
and they have totally rebranded and i use some of their products today! good skincare.
Literally no one:
Jenny: I'm out
Anyone that overvalues their own company and still gets a good offer from Peter has something special. Genius company. Serious potential.
- Hi I'm looking for Jenny
- I'm sorry, she's out