Peter always destroys the product, gets everyone to either go out or make high offers and he then comes in with a reasonable offer in the end making him look good
He knew he was gonna invest in the company even while he was slagging off the product. This was purely to lowball the entrepreneurs and deman they give him more than 10x the equity they asked for. Kind of like deliberately finding something wrong with a car just to haggle him down to a price come negotiation time. Simple business acumen on a big scale by Peter. Smart move, good investment.
The valuation was not the only reason. She liked the product, but there was a lot of work needed to be done, and for what price? 2.5% Dragons often berate the people coming into the Den who have pie in the sky valuations, and most of the time don't invest. Usually Jenny gives some poor reasons for not investing, but this she gave some good reasons.
@@Locutus the 2.5% was what the investors wanted to offer, all the Dragons did not agree with it either and asked for more. Like you said if Jenny liked the product but needed a lot of work why did counter with a bigger % like the other Dragons? Another bullshit way out to not invest
@@Locutus Jenny didnt invest on the grounds that there was a lot of work to do and it wasn't worth it for 2.5% of the business, so why not make a counter offer for a percentage that would make it worth her while? I'll tell you why, because shes no intention of investing in anything, ever, she just wants the publicity.
@@everythingrs6693 So you have never seen any of the other Dragons not invest because the valuation was too high? Peter has chastised many people for having a high valuation, but liked the product, but didn't invest because of the valuation.
Jenny: I exist and therefore I'm out! Tej: I eat vitamins and make websites! Touker: I have an office in downtown Narnia! Deborah: I want to see your patent! Peter: This is a horrible business, here's my offer for it! Dragons, assemble!
Jenny's the only one who truly acts like a Dragon - hiding under a mountain, hoarding her gold, for thousands of years until she exists only in myth and legend.
They've now changed their name to UpCircle with their coffee scrubs and are doing so amazing. Saw them at a health and beauty trade show and they won a meeting to be stocked in Sainsbury's. Really happy for them!
I'm so pleased to hear that, I just loved this whole pitch and these 2 with their great pitch! The things like the quality of print and packaging are actually really easy to fix (Peter Jones knew that too lol) and I was thinking wow this is like a perfect investment - genuinely honest nice people, great concept, and we all know how important issues like waste and recycling, vegan products, etc are. Hope their success continues!! 😀
“Your product it’s crap, packaging it’s crap, it’s all crap...” Peter Jones “I love your brand and what you are doing with it!” Peter Jones a few minutes later
the dude's a manipulator for sure; but the encounters are also extremely edited even from moment to moment so there's no doubt it's much harder to notice when you're there in the den trying to deal.
To be fair, actual quality of the packaging etc. is a whole different thing from the branding. The brand is the idea of how you want to appear as a product and they nailed that. The naming and packaging however is part of the execution going south.
The lift doesn't actually work. They're all on the same floor. They just walk in the lift on one side and then wait for the doors to open on the other lol
Peter has a standard strategy to cut out the other Dragons. He starts off hard undermining the pitch to sew the seeds of doubt among the other Dragons. They then pull out and he swoops in to claim his prize.
"Choice between Batman and robin, or Superman" Well considering Batman is a wildly successful businessman with billions of dollars and dozens of companies in every industry all over the world under his umbrella, while Superman is a journalist who only has his apartment and family farm because Batman bought them and gave them to him... I know who I'd choose for an investment.
This is the first Dragon's Den product that I've actually seen out in the real world /prior/ to seeing them on Dragon's Den. I think they're doing well for themselves!
Nice how Deborah brings up her ethical toiletries factory and how she could easily take care of their production before going straight on to say that she's out. At weekends she also likes to offer candy to children and then throw it in the bin.
The issues raised regarding the packaging and branding for me actually help sell it, it makes it look more handcrafted and ethical rather than mass-produced in a factory marketed by a bunch of overpaid unimaginative suits that only care about making money rather than the ethical side of the business.
There are three things certain in life: 1. Death 2. Taxes 3. Jenny saying “I’m out” Unless you go to the Cayman Islands, where there are only two: 1. Death 2. Jenny saying “I’m out”
“You know you have something here, with the ethical side and the sales, I think the business could be really successful. You’re getting the product in to major retailers, and I could see this brand taking off and being a market leader in this space. I’m out.”
I like these negotiating skills. It's not often you see someone go for anything, even something small, and get it. They went for a realistic goal and it paid off. Well done to them.
@@Mecz2 I do but they recycle the coffee so solved that waste problem. How do you know that they then don't recycle the plastic coffee caps? Plus most coffee chains don't even use the coffee capsules so there's no point in bitching about this problem that doesn't exist
This one was such a good clip. Peter knows how to control the den and get what he wants, but because they wanted two dragons he couldn't quite get it this time!
7:40 I didn't think I'd ever hear those words from Jenny! There's a first time for everything. Tbh, the guy was already nodding knowing what she was going to say.
I am still waiting for a video from Dragon's den where they read the comments written about them, would love to see Jenny get laughed at by the others while she reads the all I am out jokes
I swear those two are actually waiting for the moment Jenny says "I'm out.", that's why they're smiling like that. They were probably like "OH MY GOD SHE SAID IT THERE IT IS" "SHE SAID IT TO US YES"
I have been watching these videos for a week. Now anytime I see Peter absolutely obliterating a business in the initial comment I just know he is definitely gonna offer lol. It's just a brutal negotiating trick.
She doesnt have millions. She worked as a standard employee for years and eventually bought a dying company, used her operational and business analyst experience and turned it around, then sold it. She has 1 success to her name
Before Jenny starts speaking just double press the right side three times to skip 30 seconds so you can hear the short version of her speech which is "I'm out"
RUclips changed Peters name to Pizza and now all I can say is Damn Pizza is a smooth cruel fighter against the other dragons. You almost forget they're fighting each other than he pulls out his claws. 😭
Be careful when you write stuff like this because I know you might not mean it in nasty way but imagine if she read that. Maybe she might not care or maybe she could be really upset on the inside and thats not a nice way to feel for anyone.
Jenny literally comes for the free glass of water
always dressed in that blue suit... this is the first time Ive seen her in a different outfit
Craig Reidy nah tbh I’ve seen her in this outfit too...
To be honest, I can't really deny that.
hahahahahaha
hahaha!!!
"I love that you are brother and sister.. for that reason, I am out." - Jenny
Hahahah!
When she said "I am out" the sibling's instantaneous smile and thank you - looked almost like total relief.
Looool
Even if Jenny makes an offer, she is being rejected lol
Jenny only turns up for the free buffet.
Peter always destroys the product, gets everyone to either go out or make high offers and he then comes in with a reasonable offer in the end making him look good
He knew he was gonna invest in the company even while he was slagging off the product. This was purely to lowball the entrepreneurs and deman they give him more than 10x the equity they asked for. Kind of like deliberately finding something wrong with a car just to haggle him down to a price come negotiation time. Simple business acumen on a big scale by Peter. Smart move, good investment.
@@takeAstabzzz but 2% is nothing.
Yep. Always seems to be his modus operandi when he thinks other dragons will compete.
takeAstabzzz that’s literally what the first guy said but okay
Arrogant man glad batman and Robin beat him
Jenny says the valuation is wrong therefore she is out, how about making a counter offer like the rest? Weak excuse to not invest, worst Dragon ever
I believe you are repeating what Tej said
The valuation was not the only reason. She liked the product, but there was a lot of work needed to be done, and for what price? 2.5%
Dragons often berate the people coming into the Den who have pie in the sky valuations, and most of the time don't invest.
Usually Jenny gives some poor reasons for not investing, but this she gave some good reasons.
@@Locutus the 2.5% was what the investors wanted to offer, all the Dragons did not agree with it either and asked for more. Like you said if Jenny liked the product but needed a lot of work why did counter with a bigger % like the other Dragons? Another bullshit way out to not invest
@@Locutus Jenny didnt invest on the grounds that there was a lot of work to do and it wasn't worth it for 2.5% of the business, so why not make a counter offer for a percentage that would make it worth her while? I'll tell you why, because shes no intention of investing in anything, ever, she just wants the publicity.
@@everythingrs6693 So you have never seen any of the other Dragons not invest because the valuation was too high? Peter has chastised many people for having a high valuation, but liked the product, but didn't invest because of the valuation.
Jenny: I exist and therefore I'm out!
Tej: I eat vitamins and make websites!
Touker: I have an office in downtown Narnia!
Deborah: I want to see your patent!
Peter: This is a horrible business, here's my offer for it!
Dragons, assemble!
true
Pizza Rat Debra?
lmaoooo
😂😂😂😂😂😂
best DD comment in a long time
Guys the amount of Jenny jokes is getting OUTrageous.
Pahahahahahaha you broke the internet's with this comment brah
@@drewb1263 omg stop with those jenny jokes geez
and for that reason im out.
These jokes are out of order.
First time something was out before Jenny.
Jenny, We are doing another 5 episodes of Dragon's Den.
I'm out.
I see what you did there. And for that reason,
I'm going to make you an offer
They never "lost their first dragon", she was never "in" to begin with.
Then Deborah was the first dragon they lost lol
Was she ever in the game to start with 😂
00Kuja00 she was out once she heard the word “investment”
Well said
Never got so many likes before. Funny it happened on a random "Jenny comment". ^^*
Jenny's the only one who truly acts like a Dragon - hiding under a mountain, hoarding her gold, for thousands of years until she exists only in myth and legend.
That made me laugh ok
This made me laugh. It genuinely deserves 1k likes at least.
Lmao
Truly a comment that will exist in the yore of legend to be.
Makes Samaug look like a chimp.
Waiting for Touca to say "I don't get out of bed for 2%"...
Who?
does anyone have a link to the two times he said that? i forgot what those episodes were. love touca
And counter with office space in london
Touker*
what if he sells 2% of office space?
It’s interesting how when the entrepreneurs are asked which dragon they’re aiming for, no one has ever said Jenny.
Because she will be out.
hmm get good observation, wonder why that is. Can't quite put my finger on it
They have no chance so 'out' her themselves.
Pocket Man i think it’s because jenny is a millionaire from an atm company and is way less known in the business world
or she’s just meh
and for that reason, she's out
When Jenny says "i'm out" their reactions are "thank you" and smiles. When Deborah says "i'm out" their reactions are instant sorrow and pain.
The day that one of them says ''I understand'' xD
@@netweed09 Someone needs to do that in the next season. Oh wait, Jenny's *permanently* out already, isn't she?
@@krishanubanerjee6955 The ultimate in out technology.
They've now changed their name to UpCircle with their coffee scrubs and are doing so amazing. Saw them at a health and beauty trade show and they won a meeting to be stocked in Sainsbury's. Really happy for them!
I'm so pleased to hear that, I just loved this whole pitch and these 2 with their great pitch! The things like the quality of print and packaging are actually really easy to fix (Peter Jones knew that too lol) and I was thinking wow this is like a perfect investment - genuinely honest nice people, great concept, and we all know how important issues like waste and recycling, vegan products, etc are. Hope their success continues!! 😀
That's great. Touker was 100% right about "Optiat" sounding like an optician's.
thanks for the heads up! im going to be trying it for sure :)
but, the investment didnt go through. i say, good for them
I’m going onto the show asking for investment for a book containing all the jokes about jenny.
SPOILER ALERT
Jenny’s Out.
Never would've guessed haha
REALLY? 😂
I actually waited till the end to click the ‘see more’ button on this comment 😂
GOD DAMN YOU FECKIN PPL POSTING SPOILERS
no harm done
“Your product it’s crap, packaging it’s crap, it’s all crap...” Peter Jones
“I love your brand and what you are doing with it!” Peter Jones a few minutes later
the dude's a manipulator for sure; but the encounters are also extremely edited even from moment to moment so there's no doubt it's much harder to notice when you're there in the den trying to deal.
To be fair, actual quality of the packaging etc. is a whole different thing from the branding. The brand is the idea of how you want to appear as a product and they nailed that. The naming and packaging however is part of the execution going south.
Peter is like a master poker player.
You strongly raise objections to see how the person reacts. This shows you how they will react in a sales situation to the customers objections.
Dissuading the other dragons, for his benefit.b
Jenny: scrubs her whole body in the wash wow this is the best scrub I've ever used I look ten years younger!
"I'm out"
Chango Chilemba it’s not a Miracle scrub...lol
Peter: I believe In the company and I just want a teny tiny 90% of the company 😂😂😂
actually i think thats a bit overvalued for the amount your asking so i'll raise my stake just a bit to 101%
lol
Yeah, I noticed the "teny tiny" part, Hhumm !
The only company I have seen that recycles more than Jenny jokes in the comment section.
And for that reason im out.
The Jenny comments aren't jokes. They are facts. The witch is a waste of space.
*op in English please.
Ben Jorgensen I noticed that there are a lot of recycled comments as well
and for that reason I’m out.
Out of the question. Therefore I'm out!
Director: Roll Camera, Sound, Action
Jenny: I am out.
😂😂😂
im flooring lmaooooo
The lift doesn't actually work. They're all on the same floor. They just walk in the lift on one side and then wait for the doors to open on the other lol
Go on. Spoil the experience
You've completely ruined my life
@@movzfast :(
Whooosh
how do you know. they used to walk up stairs
Peter has a standard strategy to cut out the other Dragons. He starts off hard undermining the pitch to sew the seeds of doubt among the other Dragons. They then pull out and he swoops in to claim his prize.
Taj is pure class, talks less and makes boss moves
Jenny: "A Scrub is a guy that thinks he's fly..."
"For THAT reason...I'm out."
Jeff Gachihi 😂😂
😂😂
Brilliant
😁😂😂
Literally nothing happens:
Jenny: aight, ima head out
Big bang happens..
Jenny: I'm out.
Jenny literally comes in just for the free tests on the products. “Im out”
Jenny: I don’t like acronyms I’m out
😂😂😂😂
J enny
E xiting
N ow?
N ooooooo …
Y es!
8:16 Look at Jenny. That literally sums up her attitude in the Den the entire series.
Why the hell is she even there! She puts us off!
She is probaly considering new reasons for being out
Peter is like intuition incarnate, when he offered everyone know its a good deal
Me: *Sees Jenny at the start of the show* "Yeah she's out"
'I don't want no scrubs' and for that reason I'm a huge TLC fan.
What's your selling point,
Second hand ingredients.
Narrator: "But will Jenny..."
Me shouting : "NOOOOOOO!!!!"
"But will Jenny.... say she is out ?"
"Choice between Batman and robin, or Superman"
Well considering Batman is a wildly successful businessman with billions of dollars and dozens of companies in every industry all over the world under his umbrella, while Superman is a journalist who only has his apartment and family farm because Batman bought them and gave them to him... I know who I'd choose for an investment.
lol
This is the first Dragon's Den product that I've actually seen out in the real world /prior/ to seeing them on Dragon's Den. I think they're doing well for themselves!
My names Jenny and for that reason I’m out.
We all know what box Jenny crossed in the EU Referendum
1:51 Whenever Deborah hears Vegan, she goes O_O
Aditya Pasari 🤣🤣 this is right up my alley
Aditya Pasari maybe because she’s a good human being
Boo Bella bore off
@@boobella899 Its because you vegans buy this crap.
Somehow I’m bad for caring about animal welfare? clearly you don’t
Nice how Deborah brings up her ethical toiletries factory and how she could easily take care of their production before going straight on to say that she's out. At weekends she also likes to offer candy to children and then throw it in the bin.
They show Jenny's face a lot so that we won't forget that she's there
She's just out for the cameras
The issues raised regarding the packaging and branding for me actually help sell it, it makes it look more handcrafted and ethical rather than mass-produced in a factory marketed by a bunch of overpaid unimaginative suits that only care about making money rather than the ethical side of the business.
"I'd rather eat this coffee scrub than share"
"Ok... go on then"
There are three things certain in life:
1. Death
2. Taxes
3. Jenny saying “I’m out”
Unless you go to the Cayman Islands, where there are only two:
1. Death
2. Jenny saying “I’m out”
I wonder what Jenny is writing so furiously in her book when she knows damned well she's never going to be in.
Iam a northan girl iam a northan girl iam a Yorkshire girl iam a Yorkshire girl
@Tayler Daye 😂😄😅
Peter always finds something wrong and shreds the pitch to pieces but then waits til last to make an offer so that his sounds better lmao
Has Jenny even got any money? I've never seen her invest in anything.
She's got money she just doesn't like parting with it, like plenty of rich people out there.
Not a risk taker that's all
I heard a rumour she is on the dole.
@@69MrBunny and for that reason, she's out
That's because she has to go out to withdraw from the cash machines 1st
Who is that woman in red?
She never invests.
I t's rumoured her name is "Jenny"... she is OUTbid by others dragons mostly...
Like you don't know 😂😂
Jenny "I hate you and your product I think it's a waste of money I would never invest in that! And for that reason I want to make you an offer"
You must be new here, for that reason, I’m out
Peter baits everyone out with the negative comments at the start and when everyone pulls out he makes an offer.
“You know you have something here, with the ethical side and the sales, I think the business could be really successful. You’re getting the product in to major retailers, and I could see this brand taking off and being a market leader in this space. I’m out.”
Completely misquoted but yeah.
@@bytemarc8550 It's called paraphrasing.
@@mhjl0 You don't use quotation marks when paraphrasing.
@@neopickaze you do when you reference 🤔
Kyle Craven paraphrasing is not referencing
I like these negotiating skills. It's not often you see someone go for anything, even something small, and get it. They went for a realistic goal and it paid off. Well done to them.
ethically minded yet tonnes of plastic packaging. 1000 years from now their plastic will be floating in the ocean
but its v e g a n bro
Oh shut up
@@gerafederik297 Sorry do you not live on this planet too fucknut?
Yaaa should put there products in glass containers that you can return too the shop for a small amount off your next purchase.
@@Mecz2 I do but they recycle the coffee so solved that waste problem. How do you know that they then don't recycle the plastic coffee caps? Plus most coffee chains don't even use the coffee capsules so there's no point in bitching about this problem that doesn't exist
This one was such a good clip. Peter knows how to control the den and get what he wants, but because they wanted two dragons he couldn't quite get it this time!
"You don't have a bad option; you have the choice between Batman and Robin, and Superman", is just one reason why Peter Jones is absolutely priceless.
Me: Hi im Rick
Jenny: Hi im out, i mean Jenny
Jenny's face when they are handing out the samples and she is scared she is gonna miss out. Classic jenny
I would love to give Touker a hug 😂 He seems like such a gentleman
Jenny loves the free products. She probably gives them to People for Christmas Presents.
Seems accurate!
Peter Jones “You have the choice between Batman and Robin or Superman” wow😂😂😂
I choose Iron Man.
this brother and sister are just lovely and lovable, I really hope their business to be successful
Every time when Jenny says I’m out she makes entrepreneurs soooo happy for not attempting to make a deal 😜
More like the entrepreneur is like "sorry I didn't realize you were still here".
Hahaha defo 🤣
I constantly refresh my RUclips at 12pm just waiting for the upload, never disappoints
"- In Scandinavia, esp finland"
The term Scandinavia in local usage covers the three countries of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden
I always thought that Finland was part of Scandinavia as well but obviously I was wrong, you just taught me something today thank you.
The rest of the world includes the fins....
Peter: This tube is leacking.
Inventors: Oh that's just Jenny going out!
One of the nicest episodes so far! And such an inspirational product.
She literally had to use her finger to count how many dragons there where. Jesus 😂
7:40 I didn't think I'd ever hear those words from Jenny! There's a first time for everything.
Tbh, the guy was already nodding knowing what she was going to say.
Surprisingly, Jenny started to look promising, but then she's Jenny, so she's out!!
I am still waiting for a video from Dragon's den where they read the comments written about them, would love to see Jenny get laughed at by the others while she reads the all I am out jokes
I swear those two are actually waiting for the moment Jenny says "I'm out.", that's why they're smiling like that. They were probably like "OH MY GOD SHE SAID IT THERE IT IS" "SHE SAID IT TO US YES"
I'm sure I heard Jenny say she was out as they walked in
10:16 Jenny realises where she actually is
They started off looking like they were perfect but when they asked for 2% and were then picked apart they were shown to be really naive
I have been watching these videos for a week. Now anytime I see Peter absolutely obliterating a business in the initial comment I just know he is definitely gonna offer lol. It's just a brutal negotiating trick.
Jenny: I love your product but it's raining today. Therefore, I'm out.
Nooo, lol , it's ''sunny''
Jenny has no balls to invest I’m shocked she’s a millionaire
Facts: 1. As a woman she doesnt have balls
2. As Jenny she doesnt have millions
She doesnt have millions. She worked as a standard employee for years and eventually bought a dying company, used her operational and business analyst experience and turned it around, then sold it. She has 1 success to her name
@@surendaniel Balls is an expression for risk taking obviously also its clear Jenny doesn't like to take risks
@@informationyes /whoosh
@@surendaniel odd joke
Can we just acknowledge of how god dam good peter is
He is a G
He’s class
Before Jenny starts speaking just double press the right side three times to skip 30 seconds so you can hear the short version of her speech which is "I'm out"
For that Superman reference alone i would've picked Peter in a heartbeat lol
"I'm your preferred Dragon, and for that reason: I'm out."
Peter is clever. He always speaks the last and always undercuts the other dragons :)
Just shows that having a good product is far from everything. One of the best examples for people that study business.
Jenny 'Hears lift coming up', Jenny: "I'm out!"
"You got the choice between Batman, Robin or Superman"
Robin: 13:55
The only scrub I like, is in the shower after a long day's work. So yeah, this one wasn't for me...
Jenny. We r related. Can I have some money please :)
this guy
So I'm out
How long before you get out of the shower Jenny?
RUclips changed Peters name to Pizza and now all I can say is Damn Pizza is a smooth cruel fighter against the other dragons. You almost forget they're fighting each other than he pulls out his claws. 😭
Debrah: so, my house burned...
Me: beg your pardon?
Rewind 10 seconds
Debrah: so, my husband...
Me: ooooh
This is one of the best visits to the den I've seen 👍
There is always a method to Peters madness, the mind games are immense. True business man lmfao
And the plastic packaging, is that eco friendly?
@Haitch Many, many people care
I’m honestly glad they got rid of Jenny, worst dragon we’ve ever had on the show
Be careful when you write stuff like this because I know you might not mean it in nasty way but imagine if she read that. Maybe she might not care or maybe she could be really upset on the inside and thats not a nice way to feel for anyone.
mustafah umar 👌🏻👌🏻
@@mustafahumar3831 The truth hurts man.
@@mustafahumar3831 Who cares. The truth should be told. Useless dragon
@@Someonesch yeah what I said is the truth. It can upset people and put them in a negative state of mind so just be careful was my warning.
Jenny ‘this will take a lot of work and as you know I HATE TO WORK, so for that reason I’m out’
Jenny is out more often than Pakistan’s power supply
Or even worse, South Africa's... Hahahaha
- Hi I'm looking for Jenny
- I'm sorry, she's out
Anyone else just skip past Jenny every time she's on screen?
I've got a blurry face filter that I've set to activate and work as soon as that name is mentioned....
This company has rebranded and is doing great with the help of Tej Lalwani. Increased their turnover to millions I read.
12:00 is the new happy hour
Jenny: this investment requires me to do stuff, so I'm out
Tej’s face when he knew he was robin 😂
Literally no one:
Jenny: I'm out
At 7:45 just check out the relief in their faces LOL
God Bless those 2 kids They are people I would want to work with.
Anyone that overvalues their own company and still gets a good offer from Peter has something special. Genius company. Serious potential.