That's because it basically was. Mobile suits really hadn't been used a ton up until that point and the feds had literally zero counter to them. Plus at that point in time all those zakus were equipped specifically to take out ships
@@beefbigshot8789 Going by current cannon the federation had also elected to upgrade their entire fleet to use Megaparticle Cannons (the beam weapons) mobile suits like the early iteration of the Guncannon and Guntank were meant as purely support weapons, and the general thinking amongst the federation higher-ups was they'd win in a ship to ship engagement. They didn't consider it possible for anyone to actually put forces on Earth or to realistically threaten their military headquarters and thus CiC for the general armed forces. The elites on earth also didn't give a rip either they poured money into the pockets of those in power in the federation and used the general armed forces as thugs to suppress any riotous or rebellious activity on the colonies and the moon. So when the Zabis seized power it allowed Ghiren to tap into that cult of personality that people were so desperate for in the wake of Zeon Deikun's assassination. From the few scenes we get in Gundam the Origin Zeon Deikun seems to of been unhinged regardless and at least from the Wiki with his assassination and Casval understanding who was responsible for his father's death dropped the mask of pretending to care as seen when he gets the real Char Aznable killed by swapping places with him. Long way of saying it was the exact fact that no one really cared that lead to the One Year War and the destruction of so much an unfortunate reality that permeated well into the future of the Universal Century.
He didn't use the explosions. He used his zaku to kick off the hulls of the federation ships to save fuel and keep up his speed. But it does look cool either way.
Just want to point out the terrible way the Salamis-Class Space Cruiser is being used by the federation here, most of its firepower is focused forward not to the broadside, unlike the Magellan which has a powerful broadside, I believe going by the design that the Salamis was meant to be used hunting pirates, smugglers, and fleeing criminals due to its weapon arrangements which point towards it being a pursuit cruiser or frontline combatant, not fighting with broadside salvos.
Well one thing that you have to keep in mind is, both sides are using nuclear-powered rocket engines that render radar, microwaves, and electrical circuitry useless. This means that the Federal and Zeon fleets have to use traditional forms of navigation and communication to fight in the battle of Loum. Thereby this necessitates that they both fight a naval battle in a more traditional manner since they can't use radar-guided missiles effectively, which is why they resort to using big guns.
My grandfather fought in this battle. He never talked about it since we only found out at his funeral. The burden the OYW had on those young men is completely unfathomable to us living in this age of peace. o7 to the fallen, feddie and zeek alike
For the life of me, I still don't understand why the Zeon ships turned broadside on against the Federation fleet? All their firepower is mounted to allow to fire front on, which would make them harder to hit.
because they did not whant to get to close to the main line of the federation they whanted to maintain range to make the grater use of minofki saturation pining down the federation fleet for the zaku atack
@@anuvisraa5786 Newtonian physics, you burn in the direction you want go, then turn the ships. They'll continue in the direction of the burn regardless of the their facing.
even though the federation lost, the damage they did to zeon basically crippled them going forward. This was just the federation space fleet not their ground forces but that was basically all of zeon's military.
Now that I think about it how can they have a war using advanced giant robots transported in bigger advanced warships on the map of a humongous piece of space? The costs of all that equipment on just one side would probably sink the entire planet earth economically. Imagine losing it in one battle.
yep, they can't really do justice to modern combat capabilities, because it directly denies Mobile Suits. Modern anti-air doctrine is ruled by a number of high speed long range missiles, with extremely high accuracy, even under high ecm and eccm clouds, which the Minovsky particle is said to make worse. The idea of the minovsky particle cloud is to deny the deployment of massed anti-aircraft missile systems, so that the more interesting close-range combat that Mobile Suits are known for is made possible.
Yes. This anime itself is about unsung heroes in a losing war. They can’t win even if each person is good or the technology is great for a moment. Now Japanese are real pacifists, always making ourselves busy with good anime or cars… we do not want to re-awake intense emotions deep down, nor remember what we are capable of once we get really raged, in order not to perish both sides. Thus, can depict great imperfect heroes, fancy but lonesome characters and subtle love very well.
Its actualy those zaku is safer because in space battle its speed acceleration and manuverability and small size make zaku nighmare for those federation ship that use big gun doctrine just like how japanese is fucked up by US
Minosky particles comrade. It's because the cold fusion reactors of warships, fighters, mobile weapons, and other space vehicles that render radar and electrical circuitry useless in battle. Thus making mobile suits undetectable to Federation warships and fighters. As such, that is why the Federation warships have to use bullets with built-in flairs to adjust their aim (yet their efforts are rather futile since MS moves in 3 dimensions).
This by the way is why origins is an alternate version Of the universal century, in that show char seems too be a prolific and somewhat famous solider even before ethe battle of loum, will before „origin“ it was stated the the battle was where ge got his reputation
It's because in the Universal Century, spaceships use nuclear power. And nuclear power cancels out electronic devices, which renders radar, electrical circuitry, and microwaves useless. So this means that spaceships have to use very old-fashioned navigation systems without radar or sonar. Also, this means that Mobile Suits are undetectible, which is why anti-aircraft fire is using built-in flairs in the bullets to try to down MS.
No. They were always going to lose. The population, resource, industrial, and economic difference was so extreme that Zeon never stood a chance from the start. In the absolute best-case scenario for Zeon, the federation would lose its coordination from “defeat” but otherwise would continue fighting and actually controlling federation territory to try to suppress this endless and massive guerilla campaign would be impossible for such a small faction. Quickly grinding Zeon’s military power to nothing while the Federation reconnected and grew stronger.
It's cause they don't have radar, they have to use traditional means of fleet formation. Also, the lack of radar is due to nuclear waste given off by space warship and mobile suit rocket engines.
This battle breaks lore according to the 1990’s and early 2000’s internet lore the musi’s main cannons could only fire every 3 hours, the particles had to compress and it took 3 hours to fire again. I remember seeing it on mahq and gundamoffical…..
a main cannon that can fire only one time every 3 hours would be a terrible design and would make no sense in a world were a mobile suit has the same firepower and can fire multiple shots in a row
>the musi’s main cannons could only fire every 3 hours I remember an argument about this on an MAHQ adjacent IRC years ago. The basic jist of it being that the 3 hour claim was from machine translating an old Japanese website (which, google translate is shit for Japanese now, magine what it and other translators were back in the 90s or early 2000s) which had ripped its info from a sourcebook. The sourcebook in question IIRC was Gundam Century by Minori Shobu (probably misspelled). It takes the musai ~3 minutes to compress enough particles for each shot it fires. However the ships also have "magazines" if you will of compressed particles ready to go. So at the start of combat they can have a much greater rate of fire for several minutes, after which they will slow down and have to spend some time "recharging". Another book IIRC mentioned that the Zanzibars have a better reactor so they can recharge a shot in 150 seconds instead. I don't recall if it was ever stated how many shots can be stored in any of the ships, or if that recharge rate was "per broadside", or "per shot" (thus a Musai would take 18 minutes to recharge a full broadside) Similarly, Gundam's beam rifle has a magazine of ~20-30 shots in MSG before it's spent, and the Gundam's reactor isn't powerful enough to recharge it in combat.
Its honestly a very Japanese culture thing; even old woodblock pictures depicted characters doing this too, so the idea of "dramatic-posing-before-attacking" existed since at least the 1600s, back when daimyo would think of themselves as demigods and all that. In modern Japanese culture, it was probably popularised by Super Robot and Tokusatsu stuff. Kamen Rider and Ultraman for example, are stuffed full of overdramatic posing since their beginnings.
@@Wolfen443 Side 5 has around 40 colonies. The same goes for all 6 colony clusters which are called sides. So that makes around 240 colonies per side. Not to mention that there are 1 billion people per side, which the 20-miles long, 4-miles wide O'Neill space habitats have the capability to carry that many people.
It doesnt, it has multiple cannons on the port and starboard on the both end of the ship. But I think they are only for firing on the targets in front and in the rear.
@@veyolaski4324 Pretty sure the Salamis was meant to be used for pirate hunting and the like, weapon placement makes it look like it was designed for pursuit fighting and running fights, not broadside engagements. This is also why I prefer the Origins version of this fight since this fleet was headed by Some of the federations best naval commanders and would have not used the salamis class so poorly. Origins show the salamis performing far better when used like it was designed, specifically the Tianem fleet engaging the Zeon fleet right before the Zeon Trap at loum was sprung.
@@sternguard8283 I would say that the gun place designs were meant to distinguish the class of warships. E.g., the Salamis is a space cruiser, Megellan is a space battleship, and the Columbus is a space carrier. Plus, I tend to dismiss the Origin, as the Federation Salamis performing poorly makes sense, because the Federation military wasn't taking the threat of MS seriously.
![The Red Comet of Loum - Takayuki Hattori [Chronicle of Loum OST]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8vCv1iy0pkc/mqdefault.jpg)
updated version: ruclips.net/video/U0uDQ8rpmLA/видео.html
2:37 Char proceeds to blind the two pilots and give them a seizure to top it off.
Every incarnation of the battle of loum is like a zaku fever dream
That's because it basically was. Mobile suits really hadn't been used a ton up until that point and the feds had literally zero counter to them. Plus at that point in time all those zakus were equipped specifically to take out ships
@@beefbigshot8789 Going by current cannon the federation had also elected to upgrade their entire fleet to use Megaparticle Cannons (the beam weapons) mobile suits like the early iteration of the Guncannon and Guntank were meant as purely support weapons, and the general thinking amongst the federation higher-ups was they'd win in a ship to ship engagement. They didn't consider it possible for anyone to actually put forces on Earth or to realistically threaten their military headquarters and thus CiC for the general armed forces. The elites on earth also didn't give a rip either they poured money into the pockets of those in power in the federation and used the general armed forces as thugs to suppress any riotous or rebellious activity on the colonies and the moon. So when the Zabis seized power it allowed Ghiren to tap into that cult of personality that people were so desperate for in the wake of Zeon Deikun's assassination. From the few scenes we get in Gundam the Origin Zeon Deikun seems to of been unhinged regardless and at least from the Wiki with his assassination and Casval understanding who was responsible for his father's death dropped the mask of pretending to care as seen when he gets the real Char Aznable killed by swapping places with him.
Long way of saying it was the exact fact that no one really cared that lead to the One Year War and the destruction of so much an unfortunate reality that permeated well into the future of the Universal Century.
@@Jadefox32 That part of there being an identical twin I always found to be jarring.
Federation: "We hold all aces in this hand!"
Zeon: *Lmfao Red Comet go Brrrr!*
i liked how char used the explosions of the ships to make himself move faster
Speedrunning IRL lol
He didn't use the explosions. He used his zaku to kick off the hulls of the federation ships to save fuel and keep up his speed. But it does look cool either way.
Just want to point out the terrible way the Salamis-Class Space Cruiser is being used by the federation here, most of its firepower is focused forward not to the broadside, unlike the Magellan which has a powerful broadside, I believe going by the design that the Salamis was meant to be used hunting pirates, smugglers, and fleeing criminals due to its weapon arrangements which point towards it being a pursuit cruiser or frontline combatant, not fighting with broadside salvos.
Well one thing that you have to keep in mind is, both sides are using nuclear-powered rocket engines that render radar, microwaves, and electrical circuitry useless. This means that the Federal and Zeon fleets have to use traditional forms of navigation and communication to fight in the battle of Loum. Thereby this necessitates that they both fight a naval battle in a more traditional manner since they can't use radar-guided missiles effectively, which is why they resort to using big guns.
imagine sitting in complete darkness in the broken hull of a destroyed ship, waiting to die.
And then being found by salvagers and brainwashed into their cult.
Why do I hear jazz music playing?
My grandfather fought in this battle. He never talked about it since we only found out at his funeral. The burden the OYW had on those young men is completely unfathomable to us living in this age of peace. o7 to the fallen, feddie and zeek alike
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For the life of me, I still don't understand why the Zeon ships turned broadside on against the Federation fleet? All their firepower is mounted to allow to fire front on, which would make them harder to hit.
Because WW2 battleship style broadside is cool
@@周生生-f1f man's got a point, rule of cool
because they did not whant to get to close to the main line of the federation they whanted to maintain range to make the grater use of minofki saturation pining down the federation fleet for the zaku atack
@@anuvisraa5786 Newtonian physics, you burn in the direction you want go, then turn the ships. They'll continue in the direction of the burn regardless of the their facing.
@@SPatrickRoss yea but in the video is more like they turn and make a line
even though the federation lost, the damage they did to zeon basically crippled them going forward. This was just the federation space fleet not their ground forces but that was basically all of zeon's military.
For people who don't watch gundam, imagine your on some big naval battle and then a bunch of Ironman started close range blasting your ship
0:38 this guy's laugh
is kinda funny "alright everyone, if you could line up in a straight matching line, that'd be great"
Now that I think about it how can they have a war using advanced giant robots transported in bigger advanced warships on the map of a humongous piece of space?
The costs of all that equipment on just one side would probably sink the entire planet earth economically.
Imagine losing it in one battle.
asteroids son
@@Rhonix-Shellcollector yep. There’s a reason earth has 2 moons plus axis, a baoa Qu, pezun and god knows how many others around
It’s this magical thing called “factories”. And you know nothing of their economy or population. Which is quite convenient for writers.
3:19 JESUS CHRIST my balls would shrink if i had to fly into anti air tracer fire as thick as that!!
I'd recommend looking up gun camera footage from WW2, specifically attack runs on battleships.
That sort of thing gets me excited.
Holy shit, look at Char go!
Those Zion Zakus flying like Kamikazes into a sea of Federation defensive fire is amazing, I suppose that this scenes were inspired by WWII?.
Gundam is a WW2 allegory. So the answer is yes.
yep, they can't really do justice to modern combat capabilities, because it directly denies Mobile Suits.
Modern anti-air doctrine is ruled by a number of high speed long range missiles, with extremely high accuracy, even under high ecm and eccm clouds, which the Minovsky particle is said to make worse.
The idea of the minovsky particle cloud is to deny the deployment of massed anti-aircraft missile systems, so that the more interesting close-range combat that Mobile Suits are known for is made possible.
Yes.
This anime itself is about unsung heroes in a losing war. They can’t win even if each person is good or the technology is great for a moment.
Now Japanese are real pacifists, always making ourselves busy with good anime or cars… we do not want to re-awake intense emotions deep down, nor remember what we are capable of once we get really raged, in order not to perish both sides. Thus, can depict great imperfect heroes, fancy but lonesome characters and subtle love very well.
Its actualy those zaku is safer because in space battle its speed acceleration and manuverability and small size make zaku nighmare for those federation ship that use big gun doctrine just like how japanese is fucked up by US
Minosky particles comrade. It's because the cold fusion reactors of warships, fighters, mobile weapons, and other space vehicles that render radar and electrical circuitry useless in battle. Thus making mobile suits undetectable to Federation warships and fighters. As such, that is why the Federation warships have to use bullets with built-in flairs to adjust their aim (yet their efforts are rather futile since MS moves in 3 dimensions).
This by the way is why origins is an alternate version Of the universal century, in that show char seems too be a prolific and somewhat famous solider even before ethe battle of loum, will before „origin“ it was stated the the battle was where ge got his reputation
戦艦同士の戦いも良いね
戦艦に対してゼロ戦が一方的に圧倒する光景…パールハーバーってこんな感じだったのかな。と見てて思った。
どちらかと言うとミッドウェーじゃないかな。この時ティアンム艦隊とレビル艦隊との距離は大きく離れてた(ミッドウェーでも空母艦隊と主力との距離が大きく空いていた)し油断してるレビル本隊にMSが奇襲しかけて大将ノレビル捕縛で勝利してる(ミッドウェーでも距離の離れた空母艦隊がアメリカの航空部隊の奇襲で大半が失われてる)
I dunno why they felt they needed to depict the battle as an old timey 1800s broadside battle. :I
ay still cool though
It's because in the Universal Century, spaceships use nuclear power. And nuclear power cancels out electronic devices, which renders radar, electrical circuitry, and microwaves useless. So this means that spaceships have to use very old-fashioned navigation systems without radar or sonar. Also, this means that Mobile Suits are undetectible, which is why anti-aircraft fire is using built-in flairs in the bullets to try to down MS.
If zeon know about solar ray weapons they might didnt lose OYW
Sieg Zeon O7
Solar Ray weapons only work on stationary targets though.
No. They were always going to lose. The population, resource, industrial, and economic difference was so extreme that Zeon never stood a chance from the start. In the absolute best-case scenario for Zeon, the federation would lose its coordination from “defeat” but otherwise would continue fighting and actually controlling federation territory to try to suppress this endless and massive guerilla campaign would be impossible for such a small faction. Quickly grinding Zeon’s military power to nothing while the Federation reconnected and grew stronger.
シャアザク出た時めちゃくちゃ鳥肌たったな
3:04 HOLLY SH!T, what a slaughterhouse!!!
MS Igloo is great. Best sounding Zaku Machine Gun.
Weird why expose their broadsides wouldnt facing forward present less of a target its not like their weapons are fixed to a caertain side
It's cause they don't have radar, they have to use traditional means of fleet formation. Also, the lack of radar is due to nuclear waste given off by space warship and mobile suit rocket engines.
連邦軍とジオン軍の各兵士の練度はどちらが上でどのくらい違ったのだろう？
宇宙艦隊戦ではジオン MSでは初期はジオンだけど末期はどっこいどっこい 歩兵とか戦闘機みたいな通常兵器や海上艦隊戦では連邦
This battle breaks lore according to the 1990’s and early 2000’s internet lore the musi’s main cannons could only fire every 3 hours, the particles had to compress and it took 3 hours to fire again. I remember seeing it on mahq and gundamoffical…..
At least it's not as bad as the origin
a main cannon that can fire only one time every 3 hours would be a terrible design and would make no sense in a world were a mobile suit has the same firepower and can fire multiple shots in a row
I can't find any evidence of this, even on the old gundamofficial website on archive.
Gundam 1979s
>the musi’s main cannons could only fire every 3 hours
I remember an argument about this on an MAHQ adjacent IRC years ago. The basic jist of it being that the 3 hour claim was from machine translating an old Japanese website (which, google translate is shit for Japanese now, magine what it and other translators were back in the 90s or early 2000s) which had ripped its info from a sourcebook.
The sourcebook in question IIRC was Gundam Century by Minori Shobu (probably misspelled). It takes the musai ~3 minutes to compress enough particles for each shot it fires. However the ships also have "magazines" if you will of compressed particles ready to go. So at the start of combat they can have a much greater rate of fire for several minutes, after which they will slow down and have to spend some time "recharging". Another book IIRC mentioned that the Zanzibars have a better reactor so they can recharge a shot in 150 seconds instead.
I don't recall if it was ever stated how many shots can be stored in any of the ships, or if that recharge rate was "per broadside", or "per shot" (thus a Musai would take 18 minutes to recharge a full broadside)
Similarly, Gundam's beam rifle has a magazine of ~20-30 shots in MSG before it's spent, and the Gundam's reactor isn't powerful enough to recharge it in combat.
jeez I feel like I'm going to be sick trying to watch this...
1:35「撃ち方始め！！」
Holy crap, that CIWS spam
Best guess what a salamis an Magellan cost
It's weird when before they fire there weapons they always do some dramatic posing, idk never stuck with me.
Its honestly a very Japanese culture thing; even old woodblock pictures depicted characters doing this too, so the idea of "dramatic-posing-before-attacking" existed since at least the 1600s, back when daimyo would think of themselves as demigods and all that. In modern Japanese culture, it was probably popularised by Super Robot and Tokusatsu stuff. Kamen Rider and Ultraman for example, are stuffed full of overdramatic posing since their beginnings.
@@percival086 interesting, thanks for the info, it's still weird but it's from Japanese culture so I can't argue with that
CGのレベルがそこそこいいだけにあと一歩リアル感が欲しいですね
両陣営ともア・バオア・クーやソロモン戦より艦船が多すぎですねｗ
SFでの艦隊戦の砲撃は基本的に前方集中です
両艦隊の交戦中に別働のムサイ艦隊が特性を生かしてすれ違いざまの側面攻撃を展開して一方的になぶるってのも説得力もあって面白いかと思います
ヨルムンガンドの射撃シーンは使ってくれないのか。せっかく出てたのに可哀そう・・・
作中でも空気だったけどね。
Where in actual space Loum or Space 5 is located?. Does anyone have a map of the actual world of the Gundam Universe?.
Loum is located between the earth and the moon. So basically, Zeon is attacking this colony cluster as it's on their doorstep.
@@CosmoShidan How many large colonies can they fit in 300,000 miles?. That does not even include the large size fleets in these battles.
@@Wolfen443 Side 5 has around 40 colonies. The same goes for all 6 colony clusters which are called sides. So that makes around 240 colonies per side. Not to mention that there are 1 billion people per side, which the 20-miles long, 4-miles wide O'Neill space habitats have the capability to carry that many people.
@@CosmoShidan That sounds a little too extensive to me even for a plot for anime back in the day.
これがルウム会戦
1:56 why the ship has one Canon
It doesnt, it has multiple cannons on the port and starboard on the both end of the ship. But I think they are only for firing on the targets in front and in the rear.
@@veyolaski4324 Pretty sure the Salamis was meant to be used for pirate hunting and the like, weapon placement makes it look like it was designed for pursuit fighting and running fights, not broadside engagements. This is also why I prefer the Origins version of this fight since this fleet was headed by Some of the federations best naval commanders and would have not used the salamis class so poorly. Origins show the salamis performing far better when used like it was designed, specifically the Tianem fleet engaging the Zeon fleet right before the Zeon Trap at loum was sprung.
@@sternguard8283 I would say that the gun place designs were meant to distinguish the class of warships. E.g., the Salamis is a space cruiser, Megellan is a space battleship, and the Columbus is a space carrier. Plus, I tend to dismiss the Origin, as the Federation Salamis performing poorly makes sense, because the Federation military wasn't taking the threat of MS seriously.
宇宙空間なのに複縦陣で戦うというリアリティ皆無の描写が気になって仕方ないんだが・・・
アニメなので深く考えるのやめた方がいいよ。単なる"演出"だからね
リアリティ…？
これツッコミいれてくれる同志がなかなかいなかったから安心した。
人間が宇宙空間の環境に追いつけてないってことじゃないか？
So uh, why did Char just blow up a zeon ship right after blowing up a federation ship? lmao
nah its green but clearly a federation design
It's a Magellan class battleship of the federation forces the color is just green so it kinda looks like a musai xD
楽しい💕
なんでシャアには、当たらない。
ゲームの主導権はこちらにある、こういうセリフ言わせるアニメはやめてほしい。そんな不規則発言しない
What is this crap?
MS Igloo, it's a pretentious OVA that isn't worth your time. Watch it if you like uncanny valley
@@jessepatten6502 I thought it was decent. The animation at times could've been a bit better but it was ok.
ヨルムンガンドです(*｀･ω･)ゞ
@@jessepatten6502 how is it pretentious? It's a collection of shorts for a museum exhibition