Just finished my install. Took about 2 hours. 45 of those minutes were spent unable to move the trigger bar screw on the trigger shoe. I called PRP, Daniel picked up and talked me through using a vise for it and it was a breeze. Pretty awesome to get help immediately during the process. Big shout out to Daniel and PRP. I’m loving the trigger already and had no issues shooting 200 rounds right after. I used the entire PRP kit. Took over a pound off the trigger pull and the reset is just fine.
Excellent easy to follow instructions. I installed the spring kit without the trigger shoe and not only did it reduce the factory pretravel, but it brought my stock trigger from 4.5 lbs to exactly 3.5lbs. I couldn’t be happier with the improved performance of my Echelon.
I'll be using this as a defensive firearm and i wanted more pretravel than the replacement trigger shoe offers. If I were using it for competition, I would definitely change the trigger shoe and reduce pretravel even more. For me, it's perfect with just the spring change.
Watch this video, carefully. Now take the COG apart and watch the reassembly part of the video, again. If you have a fair amount of mechanical aptitude it won't be too hard to install this kit, either with the trigger shoe, or the kit without the shoe. With just the springs I reduced my trigger pull by 1 lb. 4 oz. After I installed the trigger shoe I lost another pound of pull for a total loss of 2 ¼ lbs. Honestly the most difficult thing for me was getting the striker safety & spring reinstalled and then the striker locking plate back on the slide.
Springfield has one of the most complicated sear/safety set ups. My M&P was stupid simple. My xdm elite is just like the echelon. Very intimidating with all those small parts.
I’m mechanically inclined and I watched the video, but I wish they had an exploded parts diagram and zoomed in more. The sear/safety was a pain in the butt. It would have been nicer if the parts nested together. Then again, that would probably lead to more friction.
Happy to report that this kit works and feels great. I was a bit concerned after reading about reset issues in other comments, but I just went ahead and installed it anyway, dry fired it about a hundred times and shot nearly 300 live rounds without a single issue. Also the longer reset doesn't bother me. I'd recommend taking pictures of the original sear/safety assembly prior to taking everything apart because it's a bit of a pain to put back together and the video doesn't do the best job of showing it in detail.
Installed the entire kit except the trigger return spring. Reset is indeed about one RCH longer, but not enough to fret about. Getting everything lined up ... sear, safety sear, lifter, disconnect, and those darned springs was a three cup/four cigarette job. Glad I did it. Climbing the wall is just so smooth and effortless and the break is clean. I winged the striker safety spring; directions don't cover it at all. All in all, about three hours and rough on the fingers. In the end, worth it.
To anyone whom doesn't like the reset after installing the powder river trigger kit, instead of using the powder river trigger spring use the OEM trigger spring. Breaks right around 3.75 lbs but with a faster stronger reset
@@lon242 perfect, now continuously breaks at 3.5 lbs and I haven't had one issue with the reset in around 500 rds. I even swapped the springs again a few days ago to just do a trial and sure enough doing bill drills usually the 4th or 5th shot id get a dead trigger, so I swapped back to OEM spring and haven't had the issue since.
Just yesterday I've installed the spring kit. Dunno about lbs, but in kilos - trigger dropped from 2.35 to 1.7 kg. Stock trigger on mine was very tough, even to the point i got problems shooting consistent 10 round groups at 25m. Now it works great. To change the spring set took me about an hour, watching video instructions few time. Sear set was tricky, but real struggle was to get a striker spring changed. My echelon got about 2,5 thousand rounds through it before, but it is very tightly fitted. But overall, PRP spring set gets the job done, today I've put 200 rounds to check if it works correctly, and it feels amazing, but still maintains that duty style. I highly recommend it.
I almost passed out watching you take off so many tiny little parts and then putting them back together. I like my Original Factory Echelon trigger tactile reset and with the Powder River Precision Trigger Kit you loose the tactile reset. The tactile reset is more important to me than reducing the trigger pull by 2-3lbs.
If anyone has a problem with the reset and that trigger do not release the striker in one per 3-4 uses: I replaced before my lower to L size and it seems, it was adding additional pressure to the trigger assembly side plate, which was preventing this plate to pop up at reset point and stuck a little. When returned to original, stock lower, everything works perfectly. I will try later to grind down this plastic part of this L lower...
You guys are amazing for already releasing a new trigger kit. My question is do your new springs effect the reliability of the echelon? Like possible light primer strikes etc? Thank you.
the echelon trigger is already good out the box i dont see the point most people won’t even realize the small creep it has when pulling the trigger cause the reset is short and tactile from the stock trigger
I just installed mine, exactly like this video...I get ZERO click or tactile feel on the reset. The trigger does reset where I can pull it like normal. It just doesn't have an audible / tactile reset. Should I be concerned? I haven't fired the gun yet. I actually took it apart and re installed it twice since I thought I did something wrong. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
I installed this and tested today. Trigger is great. But I’m having an issue where my slide is now locking fully back after every other round. Anybody know what might be the problem and where I may have messed up during install? It’s not my grip or ammo, as I’ve shouted 1k+ rounds prior to install without any issues.
UPDATE - the slide stop lever spring fell out during disassembly. To anyone watching this, when removing the slide stop lever, ensure that you don’t lose lever spring. It’s a small spring and the video doesn’t mention that the spring can come off the lever. It’s a very small spring attached to the lever.
Good stuff. Definitely interested. I’ll probably just get the shoe since that still reduces movement by itself. Is the wall more crisp/defined? Factory’s is kind of mushy, or almost rolling. I prefer a hard wall.
I've put 1k through my factory, and it sucks. Like you say... It has a long rolling wall that I can't stand. Also mine has a non-existent reset! I ordered the PRP, so I'll give an update.
THREE WEEKS LATER!!! I too was in the bitch about the reset but it has made me a better shooter. Not sure a new person would dig it. As to hearing the click I can't its tough sometimes and that before hearing pro! This has really upped my focus which has helped my game. And while I would rather take a public spanking in my underwear before taking that CLOG apart again to change back to OEM. But I understand why some folks will.Fast Times and Safe Trails.
Try running a roll punch of a bigger diameter to open up the spring fam. Something similar to you happened to me years back trying to install a spring.
Tell ya what I did, instead of using powder rivers trigger spring I used the OEM trigger spring it came with. Breaks around 3.75 lbs and the reset is stronger and faster
@@OuterHeavenTactical that’s what I did with my s&w m&p. I kept the factory springs and just added the flat face trigger. Don’t have a gauge but the trigger is amazing.
I installed this trigger and followed his instructions closely. And passes all functions check. The reset is noticeably longer and soft. But the travel is shorter and break is lighter and more crisp. Also the trigger has issues resseting properly after shooting live rounds and i cannot get it to fail a reset while dry firing the trigger. Any ideas from anyone on the issue? It may sometimes take 3 extra pulls to get the trigger to reset so it can fire again. While sometimes it will reset properly, but by and large it will fail multiple trigger pulls before a reset.
Yup...I'm having the EXACT SAME PROBLEM!!! Installed the PRP Trigger kit (new springs and trigger Shoe) and all function tests and dryfire testing appeared 100% good to go. Went out and shot a USPSA match last weekend without range testing with live ammo first (didn't have time before the match)...maybe 75% of my shots REQUIRED MULTIPLE TRIGGER PULLS to fire a shot!!! Fast forward to several days after the match and just got done doing a teardown and inspection on the pistol, the trigger module, and all trigger parts. Looks like the PRP trigger spring might be too light and not pulling the trigger bar back up into the proper position reliably in order to engage and activate the sear to release the firing pin on each trigger pull. Going to reinstall the original Springfield trigger spring to see if that fixes the problem. Have not had time to call PRP to discuss and with the holidays it will be a week or so before I can range test before my next match. The pistol was working just fine with all the original stock trigger parts. I had shot one USPSA match with it before making any mods and also did some range testing and training, probably shot about 300 rounds before any mods and everything functioned 100% with no problems. I've also modified and built triggers for many other platforms (Glocks, CZs, AR15s, AK47s, etc), so I have a pretty good working knowledge of triggers. While I appreciate the installation video PRP did...I thought they glossed or were too quick on many important points about how to reinstall the Echelon trigger with PRP parts and ensure proper assembly and function. While the internals of the Echelon are new to me, as mentioned above I do have a pretty extensive knowledge of how triggers work and how to disassemble, reassemble, and modify. I had to watch and rewatch the PRP video many, many, times in order to ensure I understood the inter-relationship of all the trigger parts in the Echelon and how to properly assemble. I've also read on many forums where users just gave up after attempting to do the trigger upgrade work themselves and went to a gunsmith to complete the installation...so doing this trigger work is not for the faint of heart!!!
The trigger return spring in this kit sucked, i believe they took it out of the spring kit. I run all the other springs with the factory trigger return spring and so far so good
Just finished my install. Took about 2 hours. 45 of those minutes were spent unable to move the trigger bar screw on the trigger shoe. I called PRP, Daniel picked up and talked me through using a vise for it and it was a breeze. Pretty awesome to get help immediately during the process. Big shout out to Daniel and PRP. I’m loving the trigger already and had no issues shooting 200 rounds right after. I used the entire PRP kit. Took over a pound off the trigger pull and the reset is just fine.
Excellent easy to follow instructions. I installed the spring kit without the trigger shoe and not only did it reduce the factory pretravel, but it brought my stock trigger from 4.5 lbs to exactly 3.5lbs. I couldn’t be happier with the improved performance of my Echelon.
Interesting, why did you skip the trigger shoe?
I'll be using this as a defensive firearm and i wanted more pretravel than the replacement trigger shoe offers. If I were using it for competition, I would definitely change the trigger shoe and reduce pretravel even more.
For me, it's perfect with just the spring change.
Watch this video, carefully. Now take the COG apart and watch the reassembly part of the video, again. If you have a fair amount of mechanical aptitude it won't be too hard to install this kit, either with the trigger shoe, or the kit without the shoe. With just the springs I reduced my trigger pull by 1 lb. 4 oz. After I installed the trigger shoe I lost another pound of pull for a total loss of 2 ¼ lbs. Honestly the most difficult thing for me was getting the striker safety & spring reinstalled and then the striker locking plate back on the slide.
Springfield has one of the most complicated sear/safety set ups. My M&P was stupid simple. My xdm elite is just like the echelon. Very intimidating with all those small parts.
I’m mechanically inclined and I watched the video, but I wish they had an exploded parts diagram and zoomed in more. The sear/safety was a pain in the butt. It would have been nicer if the parts nested together. Then again, that would probably lead to more friction.
Happy to report that this kit works and feels great. I was a bit concerned after reading about reset issues in other comments, but I just went ahead and installed it anyway, dry fired it about a hundred times and shot nearly 300 live rounds without a single issue. Also the longer reset doesn't bother me. I'd recommend taking pictures of the original sear/safety assembly prior to taking everything apart because it's a bit of a pain to put back together and the video doesn't do the best job of showing it in detail.
Installed the entire kit except the trigger return spring. Reset is indeed about one RCH longer, but not enough to fret about. Getting everything lined up ... sear, safety sear, lifter, disconnect, and those darned springs was a three cup/four cigarette job. Glad I did it. Climbing the wall is just so smooth and effortless and the break is clean. I winged the striker safety spring; directions don't cover it at all. All in all, about three hours and rough on the fingers. In the end, worth it.
To anyone whom doesn't like the reset after installing the powder river trigger kit, instead of using the powder river trigger spring use the OEM trigger spring. Breaks right around 3.75 lbs but with a faster stronger reset
Thanks, great tip. How's your trigger, been holding up?
@@lon242 perfect, now continuously breaks at 3.5 lbs and I haven't had one issue with the reset in around 500 rds. I even swapped the springs again a few days ago to just do a trial and sure enough doing bill drills usually the 4th or 5th shot id get a dead trigger, so I swapped back to OEM spring and haven't had the issue since.
Just yesterday I've installed the spring kit. Dunno about lbs, but in kilos - trigger dropped from 2.35 to 1.7 kg. Stock trigger on mine was very tough, even to the point i got problems shooting consistent 10 round groups at 25m. Now it works great. To change the spring set took me about an hour, watching video instructions few time. Sear set was tricky, but real struggle was to get a striker spring changed. My echelon got about 2,5 thousand rounds through it before, but it is very tightly fitted.
But overall, PRP spring set gets the job done, today I've put 200 rounds to check if it works correctly, and it feels amazing, but still maintains that duty style. I highly recommend it.
I almost passed out watching you take off so many tiny little parts and then putting them back together. I like my Original Factory Echelon trigger tactile reset and with the Powder River Precision Trigger Kit you loose the tactile reset. The tactile reset is more important to me than reducing the trigger pull by 2-3lbs.
Where you getting 2-3 pounds? It only reduced it by about 1 pound.
@@peterdarlington4117 stock trigger pull is 5.5 pounds, this takes it down to 3-3.5 pounds
If anyone has a problem with the reset and that trigger do not release the striker in one per 3-4 uses: I replaced before my lower to L size and it seems, it was adding additional pressure to the trigger assembly side plate, which was preventing this plate to pop up at reset point and stuck a little. When returned to original, stock lower, everything works perfectly. I will try later to grind down this plastic part of this L lower...
You guys are amazing for already releasing a new trigger kit. My question is do your new springs effect the reliability of the echelon? Like possible light primer strikes etc? Thank you.
the echelon trigger is already good out the box i dont see the point most people won’t even realize the small creep it has when pulling the trigger cause the reset is short and tactile from the stock trigger
Agreed. But the shoe is sexy.
Very happy with the spring kit, from 4-4.25lbs to 3.25lbs consistently
I just installed mine, exactly like this video...I get ZERO click or tactile feel on the reset. The trigger does reset where I can pull it like normal. It just doesn't have an audible / tactile reset. Should I be concerned? I haven't fired the gun yet.
I actually took it apart and re installed it twice since I thought I did something wrong.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
I installed this and tested today. Trigger is great.
But I’m having an issue where my slide is now locking fully back after every other round. Anybody know what might be the problem and where I may have messed up during install?
It’s not my grip or ammo, as I’ve shouted 1k+ rounds prior to install without any issues.
UPDATE - the slide stop lever spring fell out during disassembly. To anyone watching this, when removing the slide stop lever, ensure that you don’t lose lever spring. It’s a small spring and the video doesn’t mention that the spring can come off the lever. It’s a very small spring attached to the lever.
Excellent video
Will you be making a flat faced solid trigger?
Good stuff. Definitely interested. I’ll probably just get the shoe since that still reduces movement by itself. Is the wall more crisp/defined? Factory’s is kind of mushy, or almost rolling. I prefer a hard wall.
Someone please respond to this because this is such a great question. I’m experiencing the same thing
I've put 1k through my factory, and it sucks. Like you say... It has a long rolling wall that I can't stand. Also mine has a non-existent reset! I ordered the PRP, so I'll give an update.
THREE WEEKS LATER!!! I too was in the bitch about the reset but it has made me a better shooter. Not sure a new person would dig it. As to hearing the click I can't its tough sometimes and that before hearing pro! This has really upped my focus which has helped my game. And while I would rather take a public spanking in my underwear before taking that CLOG apart again to change back to OEM. But I understand why some folks will.Fast Times and Safe Trails.
Cant wait to order one. looks great
Nice pull but reset could be more positive
I can not get the trigger return spring onto the trigger bar. The end on my spring is significantly smaller than the one shown in the video.
Try running a roll punch of a bigger diameter to open up the spring fam. Something similar to you happened to me years back trying to install a spring.
In the video he clearly has an audible reset. Why would anyone else’s be different?
Is the reset weaker? If so, could we use just the shoe to maintain the factory reset “power”
My guess is that’s probably the best thing to do. All I want is the shoe. Not concerned about the springs.
Tell ya what I did, instead of using powder rivers trigger spring I used the OEM trigger spring it came with. Breaks around 3.75 lbs and the reset is stronger and faster
@@OuterHeavenTactical that’s what I did with my s&w m&p. I kept the factory springs and just added the flat face trigger. Don’t have a gauge but the trigger is amazing.
We always got to F with the trigger,,,,,,,,,,,,,ALWAYS
How comes no install of the striker safety spring?
Same question here. The kit received April 2024 included a new striker safety spring.
@@jeromes58 its easy to install, have you got it taken care of?
@@OuterHeavenTactical yes, just surprised the video does not cover the spring as part of the kit.
The video didn’t cover it so I didn’t install the striker safety spring that it came with. Should I be worried?
@@Slasherx28the only thing it'll change is the pill weight slightly, basically with it your looking at 3-3.25lb pull and without it 3.5
Daniel, when will these be available on the website?
Are you asking if we are going to make a trigger without a trigger safety?
Hope you respond to everyone’s questions sir.
Is the reset shorter?
Reset appears to be much longer but take up and creep appear shorter
I got it installed reset is a lot longer and soft not sure if I'm gonna keep it might return to stock
I installed this trigger and followed his instructions closely. And passes all functions check.
The reset is noticeably longer and soft. But the travel is shorter and break is lighter and more crisp.
Also the trigger has issues resseting properly after shooting live rounds and i cannot get it to fail a reset while dry firing the trigger. Any ideas from anyone on the issue? It may sometimes take 3 extra pulls to get the trigger to reset so it can fire again. While sometimes it will reset properly, but by and large it will fail multiple trigger pulls before a reset.
Woah not good fam.
Hopefully these guys respond with an answer to remedy this.
Yup...I'm having the EXACT SAME PROBLEM!!! Installed the PRP Trigger kit (new springs and trigger Shoe) and all function tests and dryfire testing appeared 100% good to go. Went out and shot a USPSA match last weekend without range testing with live ammo first (didn't have time before the match)...maybe 75% of my shots REQUIRED MULTIPLE TRIGGER PULLS to fire a shot!!!
Fast forward to several days after the match and just got done doing a teardown and inspection on the pistol, the trigger module, and all trigger parts. Looks like the PRP trigger spring might be too light and not pulling the trigger bar back up into the proper position reliably in order to engage and activate the sear to release the firing pin on each trigger pull. Going to reinstall the original Springfield trigger spring to see if that fixes the problem. Have not had time to call PRP to discuss and with the holidays it will be a week or so before I can range test before my next match.
The pistol was working just fine with all the original stock trigger parts. I had shot one USPSA match with it before making any mods and also did some range testing and training, probably shot about 300 rounds before any mods and everything functioned 100% with no problems. I've also modified and built triggers for many other platforms (Glocks, CZs, AR15s, AK47s, etc), so I have a pretty good working knowledge of triggers.
While I appreciate the installation video PRP did...I thought they glossed or were too quick on many important points about how to reinstall the Echelon trigger with PRP parts and ensure proper assembly and function. While the internals of the Echelon are new to me, as mentioned above I do have a pretty extensive knowledge of how triggers work and how to disassemble, reassemble, and modify. I had to watch and rewatch the PRP video many, many, times in order to ensure I understood the inter-relationship of all the trigger parts in the Echelon and how to properly assemble. I've also read on many forums where users just gave up after attempting to do the trigger upgrade work themselves and went to a gunsmith to complete the installation...so doing this trigger work is not for the faint of heart!!!
The trigger return spring in this kit sucked, i believe they took it out of the spring kit. I run all the other springs with the factory trigger return spring and so far so good
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