I know this deals with the bondage of sin but. To whom ye yield yourselves as servants. You are their servants to obey. We are not to be in submission to leaders who walk contrary to the Gospel.
🎯💯 “Two thousand years ago Jesus said that His kingdom was not of this world. His followers have been trying to prove Him wrong ever since” ~Coleman Luck
Because of Bill Johnson of Bethel Church in California. In "When Heaven Invades Earth," he said: "The Lord's Model Prayer provides the clearest instruction on how we bring the reality of His world into this one" (p. 58); "When we pray for His Kingdom to come, we are asking Him to superimpose the rules, order, and benefits of His world over this one until this one looks like His" (p. 63). Johnson deconstructs the Lord's Prayer and then reinterprets it to be consistent with the theology in this video.
It goes something like this: " Oh, that's just Jesus, again. You can't listen to a 'word' He says!" Something along the lines of "Billy Joe never had a lick 'a sense; pass the biscuits, please!"
There is a non-“Pentecostal” camp that teach a very similar form of dominionism within reformed theology. However, they teach seven spheres with the same names as these mountains. The Roman Catholic Church believes the same thing.
Very informative. This videos ties up a lot of loose threads. Helps explain about early Pentecostals being British-Israelites which in turn, I would suggest, explains christian nationalists in the USA and their claims.
Did Jesus ever torture people to death when he healed them? Did they stay sick for several days after being healed, like WMB said they would? Did any of the people Jesus healed lose their healing? NO.
I dont call this 7 mountain stuff a theocracy. i call it a religious dictatorship and i think this distinction is not only important it is cruclal for when we as Christians pray, " thy kingdom come" we are seeking God's theocracy on earth BUT this is only his personal rule after His return any rule of any church before this is not theocracy, but a religious dictatorship Besides i would ask, if they want to impose the law of God will they offer themselves for execution voluntarily when they themselves break said Law, as we all do of course not! such is the deception of and corruption of power
A religious dictatorship is a great way to put it, similar to Iran. If these people had their way, our government would be issuing fatwas against people, the same way Iran did to Salman Rushdie.
Thank You for this information loaded video! I’m a bit familiar with WYAM and its activities, however, did not know of Cunningham and his compatriot’s strong criticism of Humphrey and Kennedy’s Peace Corps initiatives.
when we Christians ourselves DO NOT keep the Law of God to impose this on the world is utterly wrong they have indeed forsaken Christ for the law and are completely blind to this. yet they are so deceived as to brazenly announce this here at 00:50
They definitely ignore (?) Revelation 17 & 18! The fact that 'woman' *"sits on seven mountains"* would kind of discourage them from calling it that, if they had any fear of God. And consider that the woman *"commits fornication with kings"* (what politicians used to be called, and sometimes still are), and guess what? She also *"rides the beast",* and is *"drunk with the blood of martyrs".* Wow; you'd think they'd care. You would think that if they didn't want anything to do with that "woman", they certainly would not be willing to call an organization that is supposed to serve the God of the Bible, and share with the world, His gospel of salvation through faith in Jesus, something that could cause spiritual confusion. I believe that it is part of the devil's attempt to destroy belief in Jesus Christ, and replace it with the ecumenical world religion.
I’m pretty old on this earth, and I do not see anything wrong with the 7 mountains basic idea in spurring Christians to Kingdom work. Every origin and historical flaw does not have to be integrated into followers of Christ being true salt and light NOW! In any sphere of earthly life a little or a lot of salt/light- whatever a Christian can contribute- beats the hell out of the darkness sin and mess that never lets up trying to consume the human race! We don’t have to be tainted by/labeled by historical mindsets or present-day frameworks as we discern Biblical truth and service on, as the “ “Onward Christian Soldiers” we endeavor to be. ❤
@@Longe It’s all good. That was over 25 years ago for me. I can see straight through the BS happening now in politics. I ran from this whole lifestyle like someone left the gate open😉At least I know how to internationally travel safely! Ha!
this video also drops hints that being "fundamentalist" ie taking the bible seriously, logically implies 7 mounts. this is not so it also implies that the latter rain movement implies 7 mounts. this is also not so, even though i reject the latter rain idea and it spreads the innuendo that the charismatic movement itself leads to NAR likewise not so. the continuing ministry of the holy spirit does not logically imply Christians ruling the earth in any capacity before Christ comes i rejected NAR because it is not scriptural. had i been searching for reasons to reject it this video would have been of no help whatsoever
First of all, let me say that I'm strongly against NAR and understand it well. YWAM and Loren Cunningham are NOT part of Seven Mountain Mandate. I worked directly under Loren Cunningham and many of the leaders who talked about discipling the nations. But what they talk about is not 7MM. You need to know the difference. Your video has no quotes from Loren or any YWAM support for 7MM. All you have is the fact that Loren was friends with William Branham when he was young. Loren is famously friends with everyone. That Loren and Bryce from Campus Crusade had visions of discipling 7 spheres of society does not make them part of 7MM. We were taught that God and the Bible have things to say about business, government, family, education, etc. And the Bible does say things about these spheres. It's not just a book about the Church. So we can learn principles of business or family and we can be people who work in society to love people according to God's principles. YWAM teaches that you can be a business person who uses their business to serve people. Like Boaz in the Bible. With principles like gleanings and forgiving debts and not lending at usurious interest rates. 7MM is about trying to get Christians into places of power and do some sort of takeover of a sphere of society. YWAM and what Loren taught is just about being a good Christian business person and loving others through your work. Loren taught that it was NOT just missionaries who could do God's work. Business was also a place to love and serve people. I know this very well. Let's go after NAR, but 7MM is not at all what Loren or YWAM taught.
Interesting information. From what I know, YWAM's lack of strong central leadership means you can't describe it with the broad strokes implied in this video. I certainly don't question the reports of verbal/emotional(?) abuse occurring as well as questionable theology. However, I also believe that there are many in the organization with good theology and a commitment to serving and loving God.
As a former ywamer I can tell you that you are correct…in a way. But every single ywamer has to read Loren Cunningham’s book and knows about his vision. Of course I had no clue what that actually meant at the time. Overall anyone on leadership in the group would have to agree with Cunningham’s vision.
@@sequinbluthanks for the information. In my opinion, exhorting Christians to be an influence on "the seven mountains" is a good thing. Attempting to convince people they have a mandate to gain control over them is a form of evil.
Youve done some good work but America is a republic and do you know the origination of the “separation of church and state”? Its not in the constitution.
But the amendment about not establishing any religion is. The more separation between church and state there is, the better off everyone in this country is even though that phrase is not in the constitution.
It is implied by the Constitution. Even saying that the government shall have nothing to say about religious doctrine, "or the free exercise thereof" implies a separation. Can't you see this? Or is all you care to think about the decades of propaganda that there is no separation? But if there was no separation in the Constitution, there is still the separation of church and state in the Bible! Only with Imperial Rome, and the Roman Catholic Church, did there cease to be a separation of church and state, and it wasn't good. "Christians" became the murderers of Christians, for one big example. Doctrine was horribly corrupted, whenever it interfered with the intentions of "Caesar", the state. The states have invariably believed that they have to control the "Noble Lie", a doctrine of Plato. Only with the reaction to centuries of abuse did some politically minded people entertain the idea of a government which upheld a freedom of conscience and belief, undergirded by freedom of speech, and try to bring this about. The separation of church and state in the Bible: "My kingdom is not of this world" - Jesus. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's." - Jesus Hebrews 13:14 KJV - For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come. "City" is Latin _civitas._ It actually means "government", rather than just a town. The "one to come" is only possible when Jesus actually returns, as He said in the Bible. It is as the angel said, when Jesus was ascending to the Father: why do you keep looking up? He will return just as you have seen Him go up. If another "theocracy" arises, which is contrary to the one taught in the Bible, you can bet that it is not the rule of the God of the Bible, just as Rome's was not, and still is not. It will be the rule of the spirit of antichrist, and eventually "the" human anti-Christ.
If you think Im defending the NAR 7 mountain mandate Im not. I am defending the fact that the USA has benefited the world because of it’s Biblical foundation.
What does it mean that the US has a Biblical foundation? Our laws are based on British laws, which are influenced by the ten commandments. The founding fathers were mostly Diests, not Christians. The pilgrims came here for religious freedom. But they were only one of the many groups that came here from Europe and people came for a variety of reasons. Historically, i don't see where this country has done things that do not benefit this country. Can you tell me, Historically, why you believe this country has Christian foundations? I'm always puzzled when i hear people say that.
Fan of the podcast here. Extremely disappointed to see this channel using AI-generated content. Truly anti-human and unlistenable to me. I'm sure many are unbothered by it, but I have no choice but to unsubscribe from this channel and the podcast. Very disappointed.
Something is seriously amiss with this A.I. generated documentary, and it is not just with the fact it is A.I. generated. One is that it uses by-words and invectives of the left side of the political spectrum. This is worse than junk. I am glad someone else noticed there are problems with it. What is the reason this "documentary" was made?
Nope, I vote no on the female voiceover. There is just something going on with the sub-harmonic clash, to term a coin…. Otherwise get on with your bad self brother.
. .and my last, at least for now, before leaving you - i have a social date coming up i discovered that this stuff is rank heresy when God gave me revelation of my sin his holiness and all in perfect peace with no shred of condemnation at all, by it i saw that LEGALISM IS SIN it really is that simple. 7 mounts is LEGALIST and as Paul rebuked the oh so devout Galatians but praised the debauched Corinthians so is legalism the worst sin of all
this video descends into the fallacies of guilt by association and fallacies of origin ( aka genetic fallacies.) IT DOES NOT MATTER where 7 mounts came from what maters is that it is not biblical. besides, it is lazy thinking to concentrate on origins of the theory and not demonstrate FROM SCRIPTURE why it is false ,. and of course converts to NAR wil ignore your talk about origins for you do NOT offer scriptural refutation are you unwilling or are you incapable to refute from scripture , something more substantive than a couple of passing references to " a few bible passages"?? do you knot think this is an important issue? are you in fact protestants who believe in sola scriptura. i have disliked this video, not because you are wrong about NAR. it is of the devil, but because of t sloppy way you sought to counter it
Thank you for this!! I have thought this about his videos as well. There are a lot of looking back at what one individual believed or a group of individuals but there are NO teachings from the Scripture to refute their theology. Either show the Scripture that supports what your saying or your just another person with an opinion. What does the video channel actually believe?? And in whom??
once; Luke 4;6 "I will give you all the power and glory of these kingdoms. All of it has been given to me, and I give it to anyone I please." said Satan. There you are, NAR refuted.
I don't want them in charge of any of the mountains in my life.
AMEN
So you good with the dictatorship we're heading for
Me neither.
Only Jesus has the right to be in charge of my life. They are not him.
I know this deals with the bondage of sin but. To whom ye yield yourselves as servants. You are their servants to obey.
We are not to be in submission to leaders who walk contrary to the Gospel.
Amazingly informative historical data. Thank you. Appreciate the research very much! Short clips make it easier to digest this . .. and to share.
How does my kingdom is not of this world go along with any kind of theocracy?
🎯💯
“Two thousand years ago Jesus said that His kingdom was not of this world. His followers have been trying to prove Him wrong ever since” ~Coleman Luck
@@JhutaNabiYep!!
Because of Bill Johnson of Bethel Church in California. In "When Heaven Invades Earth," he said: "The Lord's Model Prayer provides the clearest instruction on how we bring the reality of His world into this one" (p. 58); "When we pray for His Kingdom to come, we are asking Him to superimpose the rules, order, and benefits of His world over this one until this one looks like His" (p. 63). Johnson deconstructs the Lord's Prayer and then reinterprets it to be consistent with the theology in this video.
I heard the 7MM first taught at a conference at Bethel. Thank you for calling this out.
It goes something like this: " Oh, that's just Jesus, again. You can't listen to a 'word' He says!"
Something along the lines of "Billy Joe never had a lick 'a sense; pass the biscuits, please!"
There is a non-“Pentecostal” camp that teach a very similar form of dominionism within reformed theology. However, they teach seven spheres with the same names as these mountains. The Roman Catholic Church believes the same thing.
Very informative. This videos ties up a lot of loose threads. Helps explain about early Pentecostals being British-Israelites which in turn, I would suggest, explains christian nationalists in the USA and their claims.
Satan knows his time is short. Hes working extra hard to deceive the sheep
THATS FOR SURE😢
Very informative, well done. For them, to own the mountain is better than faith to move it .
Did Jesus ever torture people to death when he healed them? Did they stay sick for several days after being healed, like WMB said they would? Did any of the people Jesus healed lose their healing? NO.
Where did you get this falsehood of yours from...why did you people like running down servants of GOD..I don't know why
@@joshuahassan5087 When Jesus and Paul did it, they called it exposing false teachers, not running down servants of God.
@lesliewells-ig5dl Amen sister!
@@MarlainaThank you!
This video puts the nails in the coffin of the NAR. Great work
I dont call this 7 mountain stuff a theocracy.
i call it a religious dictatorship
and i think this distinction is not only important it is cruclal
for when we as Christians pray, " thy kingdom come" we are seeking God's theocracy on earth
BUT this is only his personal rule after His return
any rule of any church before this is not theocracy, but a religious dictatorship
Besides i would ask, if they want to impose the law of God will they offer themselves for execution voluntarily when they themselves break said Law, as we all do
of course not! such is the deception of and corruption of power
A religious dictatorship is a great way to put it, similar to Iran. If these people had their way, our government would be issuing fatwas against people, the same way Iran did to Salman Rushdie.
The seven headed monster.
Thank You for this information loaded video! I’m a bit familiar with WYAM and its activities, however, did not know of Cunningham and his compatriot’s strong criticism of Humphrey and Kennedy’s Peace Corps initiatives.
Where in the video did Loren criticize the Peace Corps?
when we Christians ourselves DO NOT keep the Law of God to impose this on the world is utterly wrong
they have indeed forsaken Christ for the law and are completely blind to this.
yet they are so deceived as to brazenly announce this here at 00:50
The seven mountain mandate is just man's wishful thinking
7 mountian mandate.... sounds like something satan would say...
Especially when you consider Revelation 17 and 18.
It says the "woman" "sitteth on seven mountains".
They only want us to "occupy" seven mountains.
They definitely ignore (?) Revelation 17 & 18!
The fact that 'woman' *"sits on seven mountains"* would kind of discourage them from calling it that, if they had any fear of God.
And consider that the woman *"commits fornication with kings"* (what politicians used to be called, and sometimes still are), and guess what? She also *"rides the beast",* and is *"drunk with the blood of martyrs".* Wow; you'd think they'd care. You would think that if they didn't want anything to do with that "woman", they certainly would not be willing to call an organization that is supposed to serve the God of the Bible, and share with the world, His gospel of salvation through faith in Jesus, something that could cause spiritual confusion.
I believe that it is part of the devil's attempt to destroy belief in Jesus Christ, and replace it with the ecumenical world religion.
I thought about that too.
I’m pretty old on this earth, and I do not see anything wrong with the 7 mountains basic idea in spurring Christians to Kingdom work. Every origin and historical flaw does not have to be integrated into followers of Christ being true salt and light NOW! In any sphere of earthly life a little or a lot of salt/light- whatever a Christian can contribute- beats the hell out of the darkness sin and mess that never lets up trying to consume the human race! We don’t have to be tainted by/labeled by
historical mindsets or present-day frameworks as we discern Biblical truth and service on, as the “
“Onward Christian Soldiers” we endeavor to be. ❤
Dang it! I just had a break from this…YWAM’er here.
Confirmation! GET OUT! I spent 12 years in the controlling cult!
@@Longe It’s all good. That was over 25 years ago for me. I can see straight through the BS happening now in politics. I ran from this whole lifestyle like someone left the gate open😉At least I know how to internationally travel safely! Ha!
@@Longe Montana DTS…then guess what part of the country I’m in now👀
Excellent job! 💯
More of this John, please !!
Oooooo good topic!! Watching!!
this video also drops hints that being "fundamentalist" ie taking the bible seriously, logically implies 7 mounts.
this is not so
it also implies that the latter rain movement implies 7 mounts.
this is also not so, even though i reject the latter rain idea
and it spreads the innuendo that the charismatic movement itself leads to NAR
likewise not so. the continuing ministry of the holy spirit does not logically imply Christians ruling the earth in any capacity before Christ comes
i rejected NAR because it is not scriptural.
had i been searching for reasons to reject it this video would have been of no help whatsoever
Sounds like the old cultish Theonomy with a ballet tutu on.
A very thinly veiled attempt, hardly veiled at all.
First of all, let me say that I'm strongly against NAR and understand it well. YWAM and Loren Cunningham are NOT part of Seven Mountain Mandate. I worked directly under Loren Cunningham and many of the leaders who talked about discipling the nations. But what they talk about is not 7MM. You need to know the difference. Your video has no quotes from Loren or any YWAM support for 7MM. All you have is the fact that Loren was friends with William Branham when he was young. Loren is famously friends with everyone. That Loren and Bryce from Campus Crusade had visions of discipling 7 spheres of society does not make them part of 7MM. We were taught that God and the Bible have things to say about business, government, family, education, etc. And the Bible does say things about these spheres. It's not just a book about the Church. So we can learn principles of business or family and we can be people who work in society to love people according to God's principles. YWAM teaches that you can be a business person who uses their business to serve people. Like Boaz in the Bible. With principles like gleanings and forgiving debts and not lending at usurious interest rates. 7MM is about trying to get Christians into places of power and do some sort of takeover of a sphere of society. YWAM and what Loren taught is just about being a good Christian business person and loving others through your work. Loren taught that it was NOT just missionaries who could do God's work. Business was also a place to love and serve people. I know this very well. Let's go after NAR, but 7MM is not at all what Loren or YWAM taught.
Loren Cunningham does not have NAR beliefs
What actual scripture do they use for 7mm
The one they use the most is Genesis 1:28
Noooo the one Keith Green was pushing. When does it ennnnnnnd?
Interesting information. From what I know, YWAM's lack of strong central leadership means you can't describe it with the broad strokes implied in this video. I certainly don't question the reports of verbal/emotional(?) abuse occurring as well as questionable theology. However, I also believe that there are many in the organization with good theology and a commitment to serving and loving God.
As a former ywamer I can tell you that you are correct…in a way. But every single ywamer has to read Loren Cunningham’s book and knows about his vision. Of course I had no clue what that actually meant at the time. Overall anyone on leadership in the group would have to agree with Cunningham’s vision.
@@sequinbluthanks for the information. In my opinion, exhorting Christians to be an influence on "the seven mountains" is a good thing. Attempting to convince people they have a mandate to gain control over them is a form of evil.
YWAM = Your Worst Apprehensions Manifest. 🤣
Why am I only seeing white faces ?????????????
Youve done some good work but America is a republic and do you know the origination of the “separation of church and state”? Its not in the constitution.
But the amendment about not establishing any religion is. The more separation between church and state there is, the better off everyone in this country is even though that phrase is not in the constitution.
It is implied by the Constitution. Even saying that the government shall have nothing to say about religious doctrine, "or the free exercise thereof" implies a separation. Can't you see this? Or is all you care to think about the decades of propaganda that there is no separation?
But if there was no separation in the Constitution, there is still the separation of church and state in the Bible! Only with Imperial Rome, and the Roman Catholic Church, did there cease to be a separation of church and state, and it wasn't good. "Christians" became the murderers of Christians, for one big example. Doctrine was horribly corrupted, whenever it interfered with the intentions of "Caesar", the state. The states have invariably believed that they have to control the "Noble Lie", a doctrine of Plato. Only with the reaction to centuries of abuse did some politically minded people entertain the idea of a government which upheld a freedom of conscience and belief, undergirded by freedom of speech, and try to bring this about.
The separation of church and state in the Bible:
"My kingdom is not of this world" - Jesus.
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's."
- Jesus
Hebrews 13:14 KJV - For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
"City" is Latin _civitas._ It actually means "government", rather than just a town.
The "one to come" is only possible when Jesus actually returns, as He said in the Bible. It is as the angel said, when Jesus was ascending to the Father: why do you keep looking up? He will return just as you have seen Him go up. If another "theocracy" arises, which is contrary to the one taught in the Bible, you can bet that it is not the rule of the God of the Bible, just as Rome's was not, and still is not. It will be the rule of the spirit of antichrist, and eventually "the" human anti-Christ.
@@lindajohnson4204 Right! Exactly!! People like to say that those exact words are not in the constitution and try to get around it.
If you think Im defending the NAR 7 mountain mandate Im not. I am defending the fact that the USA has benefited the world because of it’s Biblical foundation.
What does it mean that the US has a Biblical foundation? Our laws are based on British laws, which are influenced by the ten commandments. The founding fathers were mostly Diests, not Christians. The pilgrims came here for religious freedom. But they were only one of the many groups that came here from Europe and people came for a variety of reasons. Historically, i don't see where this country has done things that do not benefit this country. Can you tell me, Historically, why you believe this country has Christian foundations? I'm always puzzled when i hear people say that.
YWAM associated with berg's "the family"? Or is this another family cult?
Fan of the podcast here. Extremely disappointed to see this channel using AI-generated content. Truly anti-human and unlistenable to me. I'm sure many are unbothered by it, but I have no choice but to unsubscribe from this channel and the podcast. Very disappointed.
Something is seriously amiss with this A.I. generated documentary, and it is not just with the fact it is A.I. generated. One is that it uses by-words and invectives of the left side of the political spectrum. This is worse than junk. I am glad someone else noticed there are problems with it. What is the reason this "documentary" was made?
There are other reasons to dislike this garbage video. But I sm happy that so many see it is underhanded and poorly done.
Nope, I vote no on the female voiceover. There is just something going on with the sub-harmonic clash, to term a coin…. Otherwise get on with your bad self brother.
. .and my last, at least for now, before leaving you - i have a social date coming up
i discovered that this stuff is rank heresy when God gave me revelation of my sin his holiness and all in perfect peace with no shred of condemnation at all,
by it i saw that LEGALISM IS SIN
it really is that simple. 7 mounts is LEGALIST
and as Paul rebuked the oh so devout Galatians but praised the debauched Corinthians so is legalism the worst sin of all
this video descends into the fallacies of guilt by association and fallacies of origin ( aka genetic fallacies.)
IT DOES NOT MATTER where 7 mounts came from
what maters is that it is not biblical.
besides, it is lazy thinking to concentrate on origins of the theory and not demonstrate FROM SCRIPTURE why it is false ,.
and of course converts to NAR wil ignore your talk about origins for you do NOT offer scriptural refutation
are you unwilling or are you incapable to refute from scripture , something more substantive than a couple of passing references to " a few bible passages"??
do you knot think this is an important issue?
are you in fact protestants who believe in sola scriptura.
i have disliked this video, not because you are wrong about NAR. it is of the devil, but because of t sloppy way you sought to counter it
Thank you for this!! I have thought this about his videos as well. There are a lot of looking back at what one individual believed or a group of individuals but there are NO teachings from the Scripture to refute their theology. Either show the Scripture that supports what your saying or your just another person with an opinion. What does the video channel actually believe?? And in whom??
Cool story! I gave it a thumbs up to balance out your rambling.
once; Luke 4;6 "I will give you all the power and glory of these kingdoms. All of it has been given to me, and I give it to anyone I please." said Satan. There you are, NAR refuted.