The real power comes when developers start to develop and optimize for the Apple chips natively. Would love that to become the standard for triple A games in the next 5 years.
The fact that you are running all of this without a charging cable plugged in is mighty impressive imo. I couldn't name any other laptop that could do this at the moment
@@ASCENTxyz Victus by HP 16-s0155ng 1000 bucks, can get it for even less, has an rtx4060 in it. Gonna blast this tjing away easy. And that’s just the first thing I found
@@cacti16s Victus by HP 16-s0155ng, and that’s like literally the first thing I’ve found after googling for one second. It has a 4060rtx in it, for a 1000 bucks. 144 hz display. And you can probably get it cheaper. That’s one out of literally dozens. It eats that thing for breakfast. But you pay you go live in apple dreamland guys.
Indeed. I’m looking forward to the 48GB Memory model, just too bad that Apple decided to put only 512GB of storage to force most people to upgrade, paying those ridiculous prices.
Bro you actually do a well job of presenting games and are one of the only few that test Minecraft on mac ive been searching forever for a review like this
@@brianpluhar8625 2008 iMac. The computer is nearly old enough to vote. Still runs Minecraft at near 60 fps. Minecraft will run at like 800 fps on the new Macs.
I do love MBPs, even though I am writing this comment from a 4080 Acer laptop but for gaming, unless the games are natively supported, I wouldn't bother with a Mac just yet. The base price for M4 Mac is about 1600USD, and for that price, you can easily get a 4070 laptop with AMOLED screen these days. The tested config M4 MAX is close to 4000USD, which is insane amount of money. For the moment, I would buy the entry level MBP for doing Mac business + buy a 4070 gaming PC just for gaming and still have some left overs.
All these translation layers reminds me of a time when I needed to find an interpreter for Hungarian to Uzbek... there ain't any so we ended up with something like Hungarian to English, English to Spanish, Spanish to Turkish, Turkish to Uzbek...
@mocancosmin5397 the worst thing about this is that crossover has a very little performance impact comparatively and these games are incredibly GPU limited anyway which means that these are running close to native performance - within margin of error. Mac gaming is still far away, the power budget is nice however and is commendable regardless.
I’ve never seen a more ridiculous review. How many people are actually buying a machine with 48 GPUs? Everyone should have tested the entry-level Mac Mini with 16GB of RAM and 10 GPUs. They could add the results for the 48 GPU version as an extra, I have no issue with that.
i think this was apples last chance to enter gaming. even a 3000€+ system has trouble running recent games at a high resolution with adequate gfx settings. macs will be doomed to be working machines forever unfortunately.
@@sertdert1006 I think it actually makes sence to make a game-review one of the high-end configurations to demonstrate current gaming power, that Apple can deliver at this moment. :) Of course there will be base M4 mini gaming test, but I don't find anything ridiculous about testing highend M4 Max configuration although its not for everyone.
This is an incredible result considering the overall energy consumption and emulation. Cyberpnk runs at 1080 ga ultra settings as on 4060 through emulation and has twice as little energy consumption!! It's scary to think what will happen in the native version
This is a workstation that’s mobile that can happen to play games. I think people forget that. Apple could make a gaming laptop by just sticking to 8p cores and 4e cores with 40, 50 and 60 GPU core options with 16, 24 or 32 gbs of ram. No media engines but a wide variety of different color options. With their tandem OLED screens would be awesome. I’d pay $4000k for that.
@@budthecyborg4575 The PS5 pro is not more powerful by any means. The max is slightly more powerful but also don’t forget this has media engines a screen, is portable and runs an actual os.
@@GlobalWave1 Yes the PS5 Pro is more powerful. RE4 Remake runs better on PS5 Pro than on the M4 Max. Also, PS5 Pro comes with a 300TOPS NPU to enable PSSR, whereas Apple only put a 38TOPS NPU even on the M4 Max.
Hi Andrew, thanks for being a core pillar for the Mac Games community for such a long time and such a great help with your tutorials! Please compare M1 Max vs M4 Max performance on these games: Returnal, Baldurs Gate 3, Dead Space (2023), Remnant 2, Resident Evil 4 (Steam version, non native), Elden Ring, Metaphor, Dragons Dogma 2 and The Witcher 3 (updated definitive version with Ray Tracing) . Are you planning to do a M1 Max vs M4 Max video? I think most peopled that will consider an M4 Max are on M1 Max or do not have a Mac currently. The former will have to decide on whether to wait for M5 Max/M6 Max possibly or upgrade now.
awesome review. my m4 max (64GB, 2TB) arrives next week. was hoping it can replace my windows desktop (which I use for occasional gaming) and sounds like it definitely can!
I hope you acquired the high-end Mac Mini Pro. We are tired of waiting for a new Mac Studio with a max chip and so the loaded mini with 20 GPU cores is looking interesting. Can’t wait to see it tested.
The most interesting thing for me is the more affordable Options. How much more Performance in Games has the higher Spec M4 Pro against the base Model M4 Pro in the Macbooks. Would be really awesome if u could compare those in for example Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Thx for all your work man, greetz from Germany !
Great job with the edit. Can't believe this all came from this morning's live stream. Sarcastically bummed that Wild Animal Racing didn't make the final edit haha
thanks for these videos andrew, ill always leave a like. not many ppl are making this kind of content, and exposure for mac gaming does a lot to help the community grow
Appreciate you for this info! Do you have the Silent Hill 2 Remake? I’ve been playing it on my M1 Pro and would like to see how it runs on the M4 Max as this would be one of my big upgrade factors if it’s any better.
This video should be in 4K to understand and see what the real results are. But thank you for your devoting work of showing us games on Mac you're the best in this domain.
The jump from M3 Max to M4 Max maintained over time puts the M6 as a viable gaming platform for ray traced titles at 60 fps at 1440p. Either chip handles most indie development workloads quite well.
Okay yeah the gaming is possible, but the benchmarks I've seen do not translate in to gaming at all, atleast not through crossover etc. I used to have a gaming PC with similar benchmarks to the base M4, but it had pretty much double the framerates compared to M4 max! So just for anyone getting excited about the benchmarks, they do not mean anything when compared to PC in terms of gaming.
The thing is that the M4 Max is on the level of an RTX 4070 Desktop/RTX 4080 Mobile, yet because of the architecture it runs at way lower speeds on games using translation layers. Something like a used Dell XPS 17 4080 would be better for people who want the slickest design and the best gaming, and it's way cheaper too. Just $3000 on eBay for a refurbished XPS 17 with an i9-13900H, RTX 4080, 4K Touchscreen, 64GB of RAM and 8TB of storage.
Hey, I was wondering if the 14-inch MacBook Pro with the top-end chips like M4 Max or M3 Max would have any heating issues or performance drops when gaming for a while? Just want to make sure it can handle longer gaming sessions without slowing down.
I am getting much higher results in CP2077 with M3M in a 14" MBP: 1080p Ultra + RT in benchmark was 32 fps, I assume the 16" variant you have in the video should be 10-20% higher. Non-RT results are also higher--60 fps at 1080p Ultra. Were you using high perf mode?
Exactly. His result is not right, real performance gain of M4 Max vs M3 Max is 20-25%. He had low power mode activated on M3 Max probably when tested CP2077
M4 pro 14 core CPU 20 Core GPU 48g ram and 2 tb ssd okay for gaming too? just would like to have a sweet game installed so i can play when ever. something like a fps. thanks!
Hey thanks for this video!! got the M4 Max with 16 cores CPU and 40 cores GPU. No way I'd be able to play EA Sports FC 25 right? that would be cool to test the full capabilities of this beast :)
Can you please try POOLS? Apple announced it's gonna become native at some point, but I want to see how good it runs especially since its a highly demanding photorealistic game.
Great videos bud and really like what you are doing on your channel. Have you tested the gaming on using the latest in Parallels Desktop Pro vs Crossover and which is better. In years back Parallels usually outperformed Crossover for gaming and general windows use.
Everyone is shooting a review on the m4 max, but most people will buy the m4 and m4 pro, I want to see a review on these chips. So it is clear that the m4 max will run very well
It would be cool when the Cyberpunk 2077 port for Mac comes out, to make a comparison of how it ran emulated and how it runs natively, so we can see that Macs are really capable of running AAA titles if they were native. Once we have the native Cyberpunk, we could even look into what hardware would be necessary to run it similarly on Windows to finally have good comparisons of Mac's power.
Meh. M4 mini base model is the video I think most people are waiting for. The max is just another overpriced apple product. Yeah it's powerful but I mean for almost $4k it should be. Doesn't really matter to most people if it did cartwheels and fetched you a beer, it's way too expensive. M4 mini on the other hand has the potential to be disruptive. Edit: Pretty much goes for all your max product line videos, I am always disappointed when you test on that vs base models.
The performance of the max here could be an indicator for how well it would perform in a Mac Studio which *isn’t* going to cost $4000 to get a max processor, dude.
I disagree, I fall into a very precise consumer category: I do professional media with Adobe after effects and premiere, and as a power user I love my M3 Max for its performance, workflow, gestures, and the fact that I can take my work anywhere. To game, I still use my PS5 and PC. I would like to one day consolidate everything to one performance rig. So I appreciate Andrew’s test of the Max chips.
It’s not at all overpriced for what it is, which is a high-end laptop. You can’t compare it to a mini which is a low end desktop with no screen or peripherals. Besides, this guy routinely tests on low-end devices also, so just wait for those and quit complaining.
Love the video, just a game you could try is BeamNG drive, its known for being taxing even for the RTX4090 so i would love to see how it runs on M4 max it is windows only though so translation would be neccessary
*Hi Andrew, Just a quick question. Can you please tell me the difference in performance between these two models: 16 inch M4 Max Chip with 14‑core CPU, 32‑core GPU, 36GB unified memory & 16 Apple M4 Max chip with 16‑core CPU, 40‑core GPU, 64GB unified memory. I plan to do alot of Video Editing and Some Witcher 3 Gaming on the side. If you have both of these specs can you please compare and let me know? Thank you.*
Could you try gaming with the M4 Pro chip? I would like to buy the Mac mini M4 Pro to play AAA games. I would like to know if it is playable, both in the base configuration with 12 CPU cores, and the Top one with 14 CPU cores.
What about the noise levels while running those games ? Any comparison with similar Windows Laptop ? I am not refereeing to FPS / Performance rather than noise and heat levels.
Why do you run games at non-native resolutions instead of 2234p or 1117p? Are you okay with pixel interpolation and the unnecessary distortion it introduces?
@@pedrosmmc I had a 4080 and a 13700K, paired with a 34 inch ultrawide OLED, but I disliked the thermal situation and size/weight of the computer so much that I decided to exit the PC gaming world altogether.
@@Taxiway_Alpha my point is, monitor refresh rate is important if you want to have more than 60FPS while gaming. And Apple isn't addressing this aspect at all.
@@pedrosmmc They’ll get to it t some point. Meanwhile, I can enjoy some light 120Hz gaming on my MacBook Pro, which doesn’t include a space heating system.
You didn't benchmark World of Warcraft!? One of the most well optimised OG games for Metal, is a great showcase for Apple silicon. Hoping it gets a Ray Tracing update though.
Now, 50% in some games, that's actually pretty big for a next generation that consumes almost the same power, can't wait for the M-generation when Apple really try to retarget their GPU and RTX cores and not just bump their clock speed and smaller manufacturing nodes, but a real architectural upgrade. Because if a smaller node and higher clock speed can do this, let us imagine what a real upgrade could do.
HI Andrew. I have the M4 Max MBP 128gb. It's a beast. I was wondering though -- have you seen any hard OS freezes or system restarts with Crossover? I have had this happen to me around 5 times when installing Steam in bottles per CrossOver game on this MBP. I've also had a comparable freeze while running Death Stranding from the App Store. I'm hoping it's a software issue until apps are built with the new M4 chip in mind. Love your videos, thanks for making this sort of content for us.
The real power comes when developers start to develop and optimize for the Apple chips natively. Would love that to become the standard for triple A games in the next 5 years.
A potential Apple console or handheld would make that progress easier.
that would never happen because it's really hard to optimize for the ARM based ships on apple.
@@Destrobruh no it's not
@@sairsonat9816 why would u need an apple console? It would be again a box with an m4 chip. What would be the difference?
Never happen. Not with the current management anyway.
The fact that you are running all of this without a charging cable plugged in is mighty impressive imo. I couldn't name any other laptop that could do this at the moment
Tons and tons of them. For less than half the price of that thing.
@@ToniTheChamp Well... no.
@@ASCENTxyz Victus by HP 16-s0155ng 1000 bucks, can get it for even less, has an rtx4060 in it. Gonna blast this tjing away easy. And that’s just the first thing I found
@@ToniTheChamp name one please ?
@@cacti16s Victus by HP 16-s0155ng, and that’s like literally the first thing I’ve found after googling for one second. It has a 4060rtx in it, for a 1000 bucks. 144 hz display. And you can probably get it cheaper. That’s one out of literally dozens. It eats that thing for breakfast. But you pay you go live in apple dreamland guys.
Now M4 Pro 20C please. That's what many more buyers will go for.
Yes i confirm that 👍🏻
Yep, that’s what I’m looking for also.
Indeed. I’m looking forward to the 48GB Memory model, just too bad that Apple decided to put only 512GB of storage to force most people to upgrade, paying those ridiculous prices.
Half of that. There you go.
+1
Bro you actually do a well job of presenting games and are one of the only few that test Minecraft on mac ive been searching forever for a review like this
The latest version of Minecraft runs at 54-ish FPS on my base spec 2008 iMac with Sodium. Is there much else to say?
@@masterkamen371 Yeah, Intel Macs are hot doodoo
@@brianpluhar8625 2008 iMac. The computer is nearly old enough to vote. Still runs Minecraft at near 60 fps.
Minecraft will run at like 800 fps on the new Macs.
I do love MBPs, even though I am writing this comment from a 4080 Acer laptop but for gaming, unless the games are natively supported, I wouldn't bother with a Mac just yet. The base price for M4 Mac is about 1600USD, and for that price, you can easily get a 4070 laptop with AMOLED screen these days. The tested config M4 MAX is close to 4000USD, which is insane amount of money. For the moment, I would buy the entry level MBP for doing Mac business + buy a 4070 gaming PC just for gaming and still have some left overs.
nah, just hackintosh. Why bother even purchasing a second laptop?
Exactly plus no hokus pokes on gaming on Mac it is not a gaming laptop, period.
@@VuBeClan hackintosh for apple silicon software....sure
@@beegyoshi6525 ur a restart, he said "doing Mac business", you can do that fine with Intel based Apps.
@@beegyoshi6525 The guy must be writing from 2013\ doesn't realize that there is no hackintosh with M-powered Macs.
All these translation layers reminds me of a time when I needed to find an interpreter for Hungarian to Uzbek... there ain't any so we ended up with something like Hungarian to English, English to Spanish, Spanish to Turkish, Turkish to Uzbek...
@mocancosmin5397 the worst thing about this is that crossover has a very little performance impact comparatively and these games are incredibly GPU limited anyway which means that these are running close to native performance - within margin of error.
Mac gaming is still far away, the power budget is nice however and is commendable regardless.
Here we go! 🔥🙌🏻 Looking forward to base M4 mini gaming test. 😃
I’ve never seen a more ridiculous review. How many people are actually buying a machine with 48 GPUs? Everyone should have tested the entry-level Mac Mini with 16GB of RAM and 10 GPUs. They could add the results for the 48 GPU version as an extra, I have no issue with that.
i think this was apples last chance to enter gaming. even a 3000€+ system has trouble running recent games at a high resolution with adequate gfx settings. macs will be doomed to be working machines forever unfortunately.
Kupuješ taky?
@@MrRickoss Jasný :DD
@@sertdert1006 I think it actually makes sence to make a game-review one of the high-end configurations to demonstrate current gaming power, that Apple can deliver at this moment. :) Of course there will be base M4 mini gaming test, but I don't find anything ridiculous about testing highend M4 Max configuration although its not for everyone.
This is an incredible result considering the overall energy consumption and emulation. Cyberpnk runs at 1080 ga ultra settings as on 4060 through emulation and has twice as little energy consumption!! It's scary to think what will happen in the native version
M4 Max is awesome but $4,000 for upper mid range gaming performance is not.
This is a workstation that’s mobile that can happen to play games. I think people forget that.
Apple could make a gaming laptop by just sticking to 8p cores and 4e cores with 40, 50 and 60 GPU core options with 16, 24 or 32 gbs of ram. No media engines but a wide variety of different color options.
With their tandem OLED screens would be awesome. I’d pay $4000k for that.
Kind of puts things into perspective when PS5 Pro is more powerful for 1/5th the price.
@@budthecyborg4575 The PS5 pro is not more powerful by any means. The max is slightly more powerful but also don’t forget this has media engines a screen, is portable and runs an actual os.
@@GlobalWave1 "their tandem OLED screens" that's developed by Samsung and has been in use by Dell Latitude laptops for the past 4(maybe 3) years.
@@GlobalWave1 Yes the PS5 Pro is more powerful.
RE4 Remake runs better on PS5 Pro than on the M4 Max.
Also, PS5 Pro comes with a 300TOPS NPU to enable PSSR, whereas Apple only put a 38TOPS NPU even on the M4 Max.
I would love to see this exact same test but with the base M4 chip!
MrMcRight has already done testing M4 Mac Mini on his channel. You may want to check it out.
Hi Andrew, thanks for being a core pillar for the Mac Games community for such a long time and such a great help with your tutorials! Please compare M1 Max vs M4 Max performance on these games: Returnal, Baldurs Gate 3, Dead Space (2023), Remnant 2, Resident Evil 4 (Steam version, non native), Elden Ring, Metaphor, Dragons Dogma 2 and The Witcher 3 (updated definitive version with Ray Tracing) . Are you planning to do a M1 Max vs M4 Max video? I think most peopled that will consider an M4 Max are on M1 Max or do not have a Mac currently. The former will have to decide on whether to wait for M5 Max/M6 Max possibly or upgrade now.
Thank you for including Diablo 4, it's really the only game I'm interested in now-a-days!!
awesome review. my m4 max (64GB, 2TB) arrives next week. was hoping it can replace my windows desktop (which I use for occasional gaming) and sounds like it definitely can!
what happen with your windows desktop ?
lmao, who’s gonna tell him, guys
It won't. Get a steam deck
WOOOOOOO HERE WE GO!!! (BEEN WAITING FOR THIS)
Looking forward to how the m4 pro compares to tbe m3/m4 max
I hope you acquired the high-end Mac Mini Pro. We are tired of waiting for a new Mac Studio with a max chip and so the loaded mini with 20 GPU cores is looking interesting. Can’t wait to see it tested.
Damn these were just announced and Andrew already has the 4k RE2 gameplay! Love to see it. Hope you could upload in 4k soon
Andrew, thank you for your commitment to this community. The insights we get from your tests is very valuable!
I’m looking forward to the M4 pro results and comparison against the max chip
The most interesting thing for me is the more affordable Options. How much more Performance in Games has the higher Spec M4 Pro against the base Model M4 Pro in the Macbooks.
Would be really awesome if u could compare those in for example Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Thx for all your work man, greetz from Germany !
I'd love to see "Sea Power: Naval Combat in the Missile Age" on M4 Max via CrossOver when it releases November 12.
Great job with the edit. Can't believe this all came from this morning's live stream. Sarcastically bummed that Wild Animal Racing didn't make the final edit haha
Andrew, Please do mac native baldurs gate 3 at that chapter with the most demanding gpu on m4 max. Thanks
thanks for these videos andrew, ill always leave a like. not many ppl are making this kind of content, and exposure for mac gaming does a lot to help the community grow
Appreciate you for this info! Do you have the Silent Hill 2 Remake? I’ve been playing it on my M1 Pro and would like to see how it runs on the M4 Max as this would be one of my big upgrade factors if it’s any better.
Can they PLEASE build their games for Mac? Most games are developed in Unity or Unreal anyway, they just need to press the compile button ...
This video should be in 4K to understand and see what the real results are. But thank you for your devoting work of showing us games on Mac you're the best in this domain.
The jump from M3 Max to M4 Max maintained over time puts the M6 as a viable gaming platform for ray traced titles at 60 fps at 1440p. Either chip handles most indie development workloads quite well.
Thanks for the great test! :) ... what bout the fan noise and coil whine? very loud or annoying?
I am so looking forward to the M4 Ultra! Seriously thinking of replacing my M3 Max MBP with that.
his result is not right, real performance gain of M4 Max vs M3 Max is 20-25%. He had low power mode activated on M3 Max probably when tested CP2077
Great Video, but would be interesting to see the comparsion to M1 Max. And could you test TW:Warhammer 3?
Please try to use VulkanMod with Minecraft, it makes a huge difference because it uses Metal
The version of Minecraft he tested was using Metal 4.1
@@yancgc5098Not really, Sodium uses OpenGL.
Okay yeah the gaming is possible, but the benchmarks I've seen do not translate in to gaming at all, atleast not through crossover etc. I used to have a gaming PC with similar benchmarks to the base M4, but it had pretty much double the framerates compared to M4 max! So just for anyone getting excited about the benchmarks, they do not mean anything when compared to PC in terms of gaming.
I looove your Mac game test
Thank you for the shorter video! love your content
The Fedora 40 wallpaper in the background :D
First I’ve heard of CrossOver. I was shocked how well it worked
absolutely alien tech. without an indenpend GPU, the games run so great on 4K resolution. Wish someday I can really enjoy CS on MacBook.
Man! I really wish the arms' games get more recognition, the handheld devices are gonna so much better.
Would've loved to have seen Rust tested on the M4 Max. It would give a good idea of the performance difference since you tested it on the M4 Pro.
The thing is that the M4 Max is on the level of an RTX 4070 Desktop/RTX 4080 Mobile, yet because of the architecture it runs at way lower speeds on games using translation layers. Something like a used Dell XPS 17 4080 would be better for people who want the slickest design and the best gaming, and it's way cheaper too. Just $3000 on eBay for a refurbished XPS 17 with an i9-13900H, RTX 4080, 4K Touchscreen, 64GB of RAM and 8TB of storage.
$2700 for G16 Zephyrus with 4090 at 240Hz OLED. Better design and performance.
@@eddyNYC literally the 4090 in that thing is a 4070 in any other gaming laptop which is just a 4060. you have zero idea what you're talking about
Hey, I was wondering if the 14-inch MacBook Pro with the top-end chips like M4 Max or M3 Max would have any heating issues or performance drops when gaming for a while? Just want to make sure it can handle longer gaming sessions without slowing down.
It did on the M3 Max. You can expect the same on the M4 Max. Honestly, I love the 14” but I’d not push more than the Pro.
30c GPU M3 Max is fine, hot but no performance drops so OK. 40c was too hot so this year there's no 40c GPU version of 14" MBP.
It's just amazing what the M chips can do without using a dedicated external gpu
Great review. Can you please compare M3 Max and M4 Pro. Now I don't know which one to buy.
I am getting much higher results in CP2077 with M3M in a 14" MBP: 1080p Ultra + RT in benchmark was 32 fps, I assume the 16" variant you have in the video should be 10-20% higher. Non-RT results are also higher--60 fps at 1080p Ultra. Were you using high perf mode?
Exactly. His result is not right, real performance gain of M4 Max vs M3 Max is 20-25%. He had low power mode activated on M3 Max probably when tested CP2077
Any chance to try out Path of Exile? Wondering if we can push 144hz. Have my 128GB M4 Max coming soon and cant wait to see it!
M4 pro 14 core CPU 20 Core GPU 48g ram and 2 tb ssd okay for gaming too? just would like to have a sweet game installed so i can play when ever. something like a fps. thanks!
I really hope you put more emphasis on the base M4 Mac Mini, as this is single-handedly the most bought item.
Hey thanks for this video!! got the M4 Max with 16 cores CPU and 40 cores GPU. No way I'd be able to play EA Sports FC 25 right? that would be cool to test the full capabilities of this beast :)
Can you please try POOLS?
Apple announced it's gonna become native at some point, but I want to see how good it runs especially since its a highly demanding photorealistic game.
Did you test temperatures? How hot did it get. And also in comparison to older models?
Hopefully soon, due to the insane power, hope more game devs start optimizing games for Mac!
m4 and m4 pro on MAC Mini.
That's the hot topic I'm looking forward to
Great videos bud and really like what you are doing on your channel. Have you tested the gaming on using the latest in Parallels Desktop Pro vs Crossover and which is better. In years back Parallels usually outperformed Crossover for gaming and general windows use.
I'll be doing a video in the future of CrossOver 24 vs Parallels 20.
@ good to know that’s didn’t realize Parallels 20 isn’t out yet.
Literally the video I’ve been waiting on
One aspect that I am particularly interested in is the temperature at which the small chip is operating.
Everyone is shooting a review on the m4 max, but most people will buy the m4 and m4 pro, I want to see a review on these chips. So it is clear that the m4 max will run very well
5 years away from Macs being the ultimate gaming laptop
The fact that the mac wasn't even plugged in is so insane my windows laptop literally can't push gpu over 30w without charger
It would be cool when the Cyberpunk 2077 port for Mac comes out, to make a comparison of how it ran emulated and how it runs natively, so we can see that Macs are really capable of running AAA titles if they were native. Once we have the native Cyberpunk, we could even look into what hardware would be necessary to run it similarly on Windows to finally have good comparisons of Mac's power.
Meh. M4 mini base model is the video I think most people are waiting for. The max is just another overpriced apple product. Yeah it's powerful but I mean for almost $4k it should be. Doesn't really matter to most people if it did cartwheels and fetched you a beer, it's way too expensive. M4 mini on the other hand has the potential to be disruptive. Edit: Pretty much goes for all your max product line videos, I am always disappointed when you test on that vs base models.
Totally agree, the M4MAX test is experimental mostly, I’ll wait for the M4 Base
The performance of the max here could be an indicator for how well it would perform in a Mac Studio which *isn’t* going to cost $4000 to get a max processor, dude.
I disagree, I fall into a very precise consumer category: I do professional media with Adobe after effects and premiere, and as a power user I love my M3 Max for its performance, workflow, gestures, and the fact that I can take my work anywhere. To game, I still use my PS5 and PC. I would like to one day consolidate everything to one performance rig. So I appreciate Andrew’s test of the Max chips.
It’s not at all overpriced for what it is, which is a high-end laptop. You can’t compare it to a mini which is a low end desktop with no screen or peripherals. Besides, this guy routinely tests on low-end devices also, so just wait for those and quit complaining.
@@liquidmark5081that’s still pretty expensive.. expecting to be $2K
If you also ordered the M4 Pro by chance, I'd love to see a performance comparison to the M4 Max.
Super keen to see m4 pro and non pro dun dota 2 ! I believe it has a native Mac support :D
Love the video, just a game you could try is BeamNG drive, its known for being taxing even for the RTX4090 so i would love to see how it runs on M4 max it is windows only though so translation would be neccessary
Can we get a mac mini base game video? I want to see what the base model can do
I think there is one on tube. Doing fine in 1080. Slight faster than a rx580
*Hi Andrew, Just a quick question. Can you please tell me the difference in performance between these two models: 16 inch M4 Max Chip with 14‑core CPU, 32‑core GPU, 36GB unified memory & 16 Apple M4 Max chip with 16‑core CPU, 40‑core GPU, 64GB unified memory. I plan to do alot of Video Editing and Some Witcher 3 Gaming on the side. If you have both of these specs can you please compare and let me know? Thank you.*
I want you to try more car games like F1, The Crew, iRacing, Forza Horizon and other iconic car games.
Could you try gaming with the M4 Pro chip? I would like to buy the Mac mini M4 Pro to play AAA games. I would like to know if it is playable, both in the base configuration with 12 CPU cores, and the Top one with 14 CPU cores.
Great video. Would selfishly love to know if apex legends can run on mac!
You are doing gods work. Keep it up!
Would love to see something like Baldur's Gate 3 tested for the base M4 on the Mini
What about the noise levels while running those games ? Any comparison with similar Windows Laptop ? I am not refereeing to FPS / Performance rather than noise and heat levels.
yeah I need to see binned vs unbinned m4 pro chip. I’m still considering whether it’s worth upgrading
Why do you run games at non-native resolutions instead of 2234p or 1117p? Are you okay with pixel interpolation and the unnecessary distortion it introduces?
This is CRAZY DUDE
I did not know, Apple laptops offering 4k displays. Thanks for that fact! But finally, a great task given to a $4500 laptop. That’s the way to go!
CS:GO on mac would be awesome. Looking forward for it
When is the base model gaming test coming?
Gaming with a 60hz display is automatically a no-go!!!
Maybe for you
@@Taxiway_Alpha , maybe. When, like me, you have a 4090 FE, a Ryzen 9 7950X3D, and a 360Hz monitor, playing games on a Mac is a total nonsense!
@@pedrosmmc I had a 4080 and a 13700K, paired with a 34 inch ultrawide OLED, but I disliked the thermal situation and size/weight of the computer so much that I decided to exit the PC gaming world altogether.
@@Taxiway_Alpha my point is, monitor refresh rate is important if you want to have more than 60FPS while gaming. And Apple isn't addressing this aspect at all.
@@pedrosmmc They’ll get to it t some point. Meanwhile, I can enjoy some light 120Hz gaming on my MacBook Pro, which doesn’t include a space heating system.
Thanks, Andrew for the great video as always
We need Blizzard games back on Mac. The hardware was top notch when the M1 was introduced. Now it's even stronger. 😭
You didn't benchmark World of Warcraft!? One of the most well optimised OG games for Metal, is a great showcase for Apple silicon. Hoping it gets a Ray Tracing update though.
I can’t wait for an Apple IOS version of Warhammer 40:000: Space Marine 2.
Would love to see you test Valheim for all M4 chips.
I feel like you gave away the lead with that first chapter time-stamp lol
I'm very curious how hot these Macs are running these games, especially on titles running on translation layers and high fidelity graphics.
Maybe try any game from at least last 5 years?
Now, 50% in some games, that's actually pretty big for a next generation that consumes almost the same power, can't wait for the M-generation when Apple really try to retarget their GPU and RTX cores and not just bump their clock speed and smaller manufacturing nodes, but a real architectural upgrade.
Because if a smaller node and higher clock speed can do this, let us imagine what a real upgrade could do.
Can‘t wait for the M5 max when I can finally afford it.
amazing gaming performance improvement ❤
If apple didn't charge an arm and a leg fire upgrading RAM and storage, I could see Mac gaming taking off more.
Yooooooo tysm for making this
M4 Pro will be Great.
thank you for including minecraft!
HI Andrew. I have the M4 Max MBP 128gb. It's a beast. I was wondering though -- have you seen any hard OS freezes or system restarts with Crossover?
I have had this happen to me around 5 times when installing Steam in bottles per CrossOver game on this MBP. I've also had a comparable freeze while running Death Stranding from the App Store. I'm hoping it's a software issue until apps are built with the new M4 chip in mind.
Love your videos, thanks for making this sort of content for us.
did u compare it to previous models ?
I noticed that Games on Apple's M-series chips look different, especially in shadows
Can you test Microsoft Flight Simulator ? And describe the setup you’re using would be great
YES! FINALY! MAC FOR ENTERTEIMENT!
The biggest and fastest Nintendo Switch 2 a lot of money can buy.