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As a 3D Artist I use a MBP 16" M3 Pro before some updates on Blender I dismissed working heavy task with it, I just did some basic asset creations but when Blender made use of the Metal API for their rendering it became much better, they are now using the hardware RT of the M3. When rendering huge scenes the Macs are champions because if that scene is rendered on a windows machine you are VRAM bottlenecked, there are times where rendering on the mac is faster than my 4080, the reason why is because the Mac has unified memory. Now that the M4 Max is close to the level of the 4080 desktop in rendering, it is the only portable machine you want to use for serious work, even replacing your desktop workstation is feasible. Instead of buying a A6000 Ada for 7k, just get the M4 Max with 128GB ram and it cost less than that card for a whole system, it might be a little bit slower but the amount of vram you have is insane.
Granted that IF the app that you're using can fully utilize the hardware, it'll triumph the Windows machine, simply because it is better designed both in hardware and software
@@apricreed9580 im a 3D artist using a G16 4080 with 12GB Vram, not had any issues with anything or felt like anything is too slow, I also use blender and I tell you right now anyone who uses Blender should refrain from rendering on the hardware and use cloud, my renders get done in seconds without working up my laptop, and as a plus I can play GTA 6 next year when it releases, or any other AAA game I want, so if anyone reading this wants a portable beast that handles games and is portable, I recommend G16 4080/4090 or wait for the upgraded G16 in 2025
@@dnch Yes, most blender users who render actually prefer to render under 5 mins, only when rendering animations they render for more than 5 mins. To achieve rendering under 5 mins they optimize the scene as much as possible. I'm kinda excited about the M4 Ultra, some leaks says that it will be a bit better than the 4090, if the 5090 is not that much better than the 4090 then the Mac Studio will be the best content creation machine period. If that happens I will actually move all my workflow on Mac and just use my windows machine as a gaming machine.
Thanks for the honest and helpful review, as always! I plan to buy my M4 Pro 14" MBP tomorrow... so excited! Graphics performance on M4 Pro/Max is really impressive ✨
Not with MacOS they aren't. The few times I had to use MacOS I wanted to rope myself because of the way MacOS does things. If Asahi Linux was daily driveable then maybe I could consider the laptops, but as it is now? No thanks.
The Premier Pro Puget benchmark runs using the Intel version, which has to be translated using Rosseta 2. It’s not optimized for Apple silicon yet that’s why it’s performance is lower than their Windows counterparts, while Davinci Resolve shows the opposite(since it’s optimized). Great video, btw. Very thorough review.
An integrated GPU standing toe-to-toe with the RTX 4090 is ridiculous. Chip manufacturers really need to step it up, I wonder if Nvidia's ARM chip coming next year will be anywhere near as powerful.
I think you cannot treat it as a integrated gpu. If you look at the die shot of m4 max, its more like a cpu attached to a gpu. Around 50% of the chip is gpu. That is massive considering these chips are huge and i think bigger than the 4080.
Great review! I'm a Senior Software Engineer and currently have an Asus G15 I bought about 2 years ago. Its time for an upgrade, the laptop still runs okay but some of the keys don't work and there's a serious double press problem. When it comes to gaming this thing is great, but when you can't type well on the G15 it makes it very hard to use for anything other than gaming. I think its time to go back to a Macbook Pro, and really eyeing an M4 Pro 16. I had a MacBook Pro 2015 that was a great laptop for almost 7 years. I made the switch for gaming last time, and hoped that my windows laptop could do the gaming and the work related stuff as well. I just miss that quality that Apple puts into their products, yes they are expensive but they will last if used right. And they will play some of the games I play, like WoW for example. And I will still have the G15 for things it won't play. I have also been looking at the Legion 7i, but the screens on the Macbooks alone just look so good compared to others, and plus it just plain lasts. Plan right now is to go with a 16" MacBook Pro with M4 Pro with 1TB of storage and probably the 48GB of RAM or the 16" Macbook Pro Max with 36GB RAM and 1TB of storage. It'll be about $3k-$3.5k, but should be worth every penny. I'm excited to get back into using a Mac again, just have to make the decision on which way to go. Max for $500 more or get the Pro and save the $500, tough decisions ahead
I'm on the same boat as you, considering either M4 Pro 14C/20GPU 48GB or M4 Max 14C/32GPU 36GB for software development and some gaming. I think M4 Pro 48GB 1TB might be a wiser option considering the price and the more memory available which would be handy for things like AI LLM development with more memory requirements. Also the M4 Max with 32GPU is a binned version but you pay for the Max chip anyway, so for that the full chip would be better with not so much price difference. The last option I'm considering is the M4 Max 16C/40GPU 64GB which would be ideal for me (128GB is just out of my budget), but is quite more expensive anyway and I think it might not be as necessary and cost-effective like the M4 Pro.
Really a super review, perhaps the most comprehensive that I’ve watched. Especially appreciated the comparison between pro and Max chips on the 14 inch models. Thank you for some great content!
About the programming section, I think you should put something like Xcode benchmark and some JS or chromium compile benchmark. At least we can see the difference betwen macs generations in the xcode one, and JS benchmark for the large mayority of devs, I don't work with neither of those, but that was the kind of benchmark was expecting
for xcodebenchmark, all results are published on their github repository. you can have a look any time. i’ve recently committed my xbc results for the m4 series there so i know it’s up to date
The main reason why I would say MacBooks are the best developer machines, is because they can be used to develop software for any OS, which is a big advantage for a lot of developers. I will definitely switch as soon as I get it in my budget
My M4 Pro 14/20 with 48GB is eating Large Language Models like a champ. Running NVIDIAs Nemotron model with only 900mb of RAM left to spare - 45GB of VRAM used. The only other way to do this is with a $7000 GPU. Of course the dedicated GPU would do it a lot faster, but this thing can do it anywhere, and doesn't lose any performance when unplugged.
Hi Josh, I would like to raise few important points based on the review you shared. Number 1 @7:11 you showed the M4 max (14 core, 14 inch)had the highest temperature of 48*c, however when we look into the fan noise, @8:10 the m4 max 14 core fans are quieter than m4 pro 14 core, can't wrap my head around why is this the case ? Number 2 @8:55 when Cierra shows the graphic performance chart, it's shown that the m4 pro has 16 core GPU, However, 14 core m4 pro doesn't have 16 core GPU variant, instead has 20 core. So I am confused if you are reviewing the 14 core m4 pro or 12 core m4 pro. I would highly appreciate if you can clarify on these highlighted points.
This video is very informative, you guys worked hard! The only thing missing is comparing 12c vs 14c macbook pro on a 14" and see the heat/performance trade offs.
Great, in-depth review! The topic was holistically covered, Ugreen Sponsor was nice and not manipulative, and Cierra seemingly slowed down her speech to match Josh's pace. No audio EQ inconsistencies that would have happened ~6 months ago... You guys have really stepped up your game. Your hard work is noticed. Freaking fantastic work!
When presenting battery life test results, it’s more effective to show the percentage of battery consumed during the test rather than the remaining battery life. This approach highlights the energy efficiency of the laptops more clearly because it directly compares how much battery each device used. For example, if one laptop uses 15% of its battery during the test and another uses 30%, focusing on the percentage consumed provides a clear picture that the first laptop is twice as energy-efficient as the second. Conversely, displaying the remaining battery percentages (85% and 70%) makes the difference seem less significant. By graphing the percentage consumed, the visual representation becomes proportional to the actual energy usage, making the comparisons more intuitive.
@@m-stat9 Very mature answer! Saying that the 20C M4 Pro chip is the sweet spot for most people just shows that you either have no idea what you're talking about or that you've simply fallen into Apple's consumerism trap. You dont need an M4 Pro chip unless you are doing stuff like very big, professional 4k/ 8k video projects or huge orchestral scores with tons of tracks. For 95% of people the M4 Pro chips are overkill.
Hi, We have double tripple checked. Even Notebookcheck gets the same results as us around 17k to 18K for Geekbench 6.3 with a i9-14900hX. You can find their scores here: www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i9-14900HX-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.790520.0.html
You do the best reviews im seeing online right now. Just one small suggestion for battery life test: Run one of your own video reviews in youtube in 4k on repeat until battery dies. This is literally a real world use case for all of your viewers (otherwise they wouldn't be watching this video). If you have a chance, it would be nice to include the binned m4 pro too. (its the one i am considering buying)
@@travismster8276 Exactly, and at 9:17 she says that the 16c gpu has the same performance as the 38c M2 pro, which seems incorrect if they are listing the incorrect number of cores.
This is the review I have been waiting for. Thank you for the great work. Finally someone showed the 14c Max and spent the time on the benchmarks and the math.
@ I have noticed the improvements and have to say you’re doing great so far. Looking forward to the next gen laptops and how they will try to compete with the dominant M4 As a windows user I honestly don’t want to move to MacOS unless I really have to and it’s getting difficult to make excuses for Windows especially after the M4 🤣
Great video and it deserves a subscription. I think you are my favorite reviewer now. You go straight to the facts without sounding like an apple fanboy
Awesome review mate, just love it 🤝🏻 The way everything is explained in detail , big fan... Also, would like to see a common programming test for all 🙏🏻
This is hands down the best comparison video on youtube & believe me i have watched ALL of them. You made my purchase decision easier. I was gonna buy a 14 inch M4 max. But now ill just get an M4 pro 14C with apple education savings, that makes it a Super Great deal. Im an audio engineer so I was only concerned about video editing (14 cores is more than enough for all daws) but the amount of money im saving outweighs having to wait 3 more minutes in video export, its a no brainer honestly. And the much better battery on M4 Pro is a real world advantage. Thanks a lot guys, Subscribing now🔥
I think thats a good choice for your use case. And that is my intention. To not hype up everything because its new and its Apple. I want to cut through the noise to who should buy what
The nano texture is the big question this generation. A lot of big reviewers seem to prefer it. I look forward to your experience with nano texture, given your high attention to detail.
100% worth the wait. The only Macbook review I need to make a decision. Thanks Josh & team you guys are awesome! Looks like its making a lot of sense for me to switch from the current M1 Pro 16/512 to the M4 Pro 24/512. With TB5 speeds I guess external storage as needed in the future...
Perfect review, I love the numbers driven plots and the focus on showing how the Intel/AMD/Snapdragon performance is benchmarked against these even though it is an M4 review. This really shows a snapshot of the CPU market today.
@ You can go watch the video where he tested the laptop with the 4090m and see the results there. And the M4 Max did beat it, barely. I’ve also watched a video (different RUclips channel) that compared the M4 Max to a desktop 4090. The 4090 did win most of the tests, some by large margins, however, the M4 Max was close in several, and actually won 1 or 2 tests.
@@bestof467 At 8:52, you can see the Wiildlife Extreme benchmark where the M4 Max 40 core GPU matches the 4090m performance, while the 32 core GPU is faster than 4080m. Do you think it’s reasonable? It’s pretty damn fast to me
I’m still on an intel MacBook Pro. It’s showing its age and I abused that thing with so much animation and music creation work. I cannot wait to upgrade to a M series chip with a tb of storage compared to the 500 gig which filled up very quickly lol
I have a M1 MacBook Air and as tempting as the new M4 Mac mini is I don’t want to jump yet but I’m close because when it can emulate the games my PC can then I’ll basically have no use for that desktop. The only thing that would hold me back at that point is if my MacBook just stopped working, it’s awesome that this thing works just as good as it did day one.
I appreciate your reviews, and your honesty when it comes to recommending previous generation Mac’s rather then pushing people to purchase newer more expensive models. Just subscribed 👍
Yay! Sweet treat to wake up and see this video got posted. Now that you have the MacBooks you can do that video editing laptop show down you said you were waiting on getting the m4’s for 👀
Phenomenal review. One extra area you could touch on is the panel speed, which has a noticeable effect on gaming experience and overall ghosting. For example, the panel speeds in macbooks have generally been horrendous, the M2 lineup was a slight improvement over M1, and M4 with quantum dot is a decent improvement over M3, allegedly.
As far as i'm aware its a Miniled thing. Same occurs on other Miniled panels. We didn't find the ghosting too bad tbh. We checked both black to black and grey to grey. Its there for sure, we just didn't find it quite as bad as the negative comments about it.
Thank you for the highly detailed comparison between the new Macbook Pro M4 chips. I was already leaning towards the 14" M4 Pro 14C model, but these benchmark results were enough to prove to me I didn't need to stretch my budget for a 16" M4 Max model (And thank you for including Davinci Resolve benchmarks, so hard to find this data point as it seems everyone else just focuses on Premiere or FCP!). The generational leap from the M3s make this such a better buy from a few months ago when I was looking last, I'm glad I waited for these to release.
Your fan noise results don’t seem to line up with what I’ve seen from other outlets that report significantly higher levels on the M4 Max versus the M3 Max.
hi Josh, thanks for the informative breakdown on the new macbook pros. Was deliberating which to get until I watched your video - ended up with a solid hunk of metal (the m4 pro chip , 12 core cpu, 16 core gpu variant). Keep up the good work and happy new year!
Search for James Zhan videos on music production on the m4 MacBook pros, best videos there are. I'm a programmer and I watch those for curiosity, who knows one day I start trying music production on my Mac haha.
I’m going to do 2 of the things you say to never do. I’m getting the 14” Max and 4 TB SSD. Why? Because these trade offs make an enormous improvement for my work. I travel a lot and the 14” makes it possible to not check bags as it can fit in my personal item backpack (video gear is my carry-on). It also fits in my bike bag for weekly transports to and from the office. My workflow is also edit on MBP SSD and transfer to server when finished. This eliminates issues with editing in NAS and speeds up the interface massively. It is so much easier to not deal with an external drive. I don’t have to worry about forgetting it, it’s not getting in the way and it’s not sapping battery power.
Thank you, Sierra, for slowing down in this video. It makes such such a big difference in digestibility of large-scale graphs of specs and test results. I also think it's good to weave Josh and Sierra in and out throughout the video, rather than handing off to Sierra for the rest of a review, since most viewers will stay for the entire video this way until we get more accustomed to Sierra. And it's no offense!! I'm sure any video that has, for example, Linus versus not Linus, or MKBHD versus not MKBHD, etc., will perform better. We started watching for a specific person who was engaging, and we got used to enjoying listening to that person. Anyway, this was one of the best videos from this channel, from start to finish (and I've been a viewer since the beginning). Having this much information in a 23-minute video that we could reference in the future when we are choosing between one of these machines is outstanding, and having Windows devices in the test results and analysis only makes it more comprehensive.
Thank you very much. Yes we were all reading comments about her speed. Please be aware that sometimes I am traveling, or sick, so I do need more help from the team. That includes presening on camera. I do envisiage it being more community based. As in perhaps i'm on camera 60% of the time but then others share their views. Right now most videos have at least 2 of us work on it. That way we can get different perspectives
Great review Josh. I still have M1 Pro MBP but was thinking about getting a Mac Mini with M4 Pro + M4 from MBA next year for mobility. I was quite surprised at how hard the fans in base MBP with M4 had to work with single fan in sustained worked. This leaves me with some concerns on how well MBA with M4 next year will deal with the sustained workload.
This is the most impressive chip upgrade since the original m1. The better camera and Thunderbolt 5 are cherry's on top. Apple chips are now on another level, especially considering they achieve this on battery. The improvments on the pros are particularly notable. Unless you are a gamer or need Windows, there's no reason to buy anything else.
What I’m thinking about is the difference between the 16” M4 Pro 48/512 and the 16” M3 Max 36/1tb. At Best Buy they are about the same price except for about $100.
Also, Macbook Pros with M4 are now apparently using quantum dot panel instead of nornal lcd for better motion clarity, more efficiency and better color reproduction...
Great review but you should consider including some common AI app benchmarks too. For example the easiest one you can do is from the Topaz family - Topaz Video or Topaz Photo. I'm very curious to see how well the M chips compare to Nvidia GPUs in terms of video upscaling.
Regarding your recommendation to not get the Max chip on the 14" MacBook Pro: if your use case requires connecting to more than two external displays, then the Max chip is your only option. In this case, I would recommend going with the lower-end binned Max Chip to ameliorate the cooling issue with the 14" chassis.
As a coder I would like to see Visual Studio Performance tested running in a Parallels VM. Plus SQL Server. How responsive is daily work in VS and how quick is compilation?
It really looks to me like the M4 Pro is the highlight story here. From all of your tests, it appears to be very near the CPU performance of the M3 Max, and the GPU performance of the M2 Max. Im considering one for video editing, and I recall people raving for years that an M1 Max is a beast for video editing, but I am starting to suspect the M4 is the first “Pro” to finally dethrone some of the old generation “Max” models, unless I’m misinterpreting your results. It’s hard not to wonder if the M4 Max is just far beyond what most people would ever need, while the Max up until now, was less so. If the M4 Pro could get the job done for 90% of people, it really appears to be the biggest computer bargain in history.
For the programming section I'd love to see something for us mobile devs! I professionally develop Android apps and often compile the project I'm working on to run on an emulator. In my spare time I also do cross platform work with Kotlin Multiplatform and often run the project on an Android emulator & iOS simulator at the same time, I think this load would nicely show differences between machines with different CPU/RAM configs as well as from generation to generation. In these scenarios I'd be looking at general snapiness and build times.
Watching your video on late-2011 Macbook Pro 15" that originally came with 4GB RAM, 512GB HDD and MacOS Lion. But I upgraded to 16GB RAM (Max supported memory) and 500GB SSD. Converted the CD_Drive slot into another storage unit with a caddy where I installed the original 512GB HDD. So in total, I have now 1TB storage. The machine is super fast AF....but...... the processor is still the 2.2GHz i7 which cannot catch up with the demands of the current softwares. Even chrome doesn't support the final OS version on my machine - MacOS High Sierra.
And as primarily a windows user, I'm jealous again. Maybe I should get a macbook next honestly. I've been jealous for over a decade for how good the speakers have been but since apple silicon dropped, that performance and efficiency is just unmatched. Not like there's a lot of games that I have the time or inclination to play these days so I probably won't miss much.
Good video, but I'd like to make two points. First, if you're on a Mac, you really should be using Final Cut Pro. Second, when talking about price, when you buy from Apple you not only can get interest free payments for a year, you also get 3% cashback, which sometimes is almost the same discount you get to the other retailers or around half, depending on the sell.
One thing that may make you upgrade to a max chip that is worth mentioning is external display support. I use 3 external displays so I had to get a m3 max last year.
for the programming just do a compilation test and that's it 😄it is very difficult to test "programming" performance, but a compilation test is a good start.
This is an amazing review! Is there any improvement in the slow response times of the screens? When I used an M3 MacBook Pro 14", I noticed some blurriness when scrolling.
Are you guys testing the performance again for every new video? Im a bit confused that your performance of the m3 max 16c (0:49) is different to the performance of the same laptop in the same test last week (Video: The Worlds Most Powerful Gaming Laptop 3:50) SC and MC are (slightly) different
A good programme to give a full workout for laptops is Metashape. It needs good CPU, GPU, memory, and the needs vary depending on the task (e.g. aligning photos, generating mesh, texture etc). It something that’s normally seen as a preserve of PCs with dedicated GPUs, so would be good to compare to those.
You review made me think about getting a Mac for 20min. Great review btw. I think you should include a coding benchmark for compilation time for projects in C/C++, Java/JS, and Python...
recently discovered your channel one of the best tech channel out there 💙💙💙 planning to buy m4 pro mbp 14 inch in back to school offer but i am confused between 12core and 14core and whether i should opt for nano texture or not ? btw i'm an engineering student from cse background is there any brightness difference between glossy and nano texture one because i mostly use my laptop indoors
@@justinchundakkattil284 i want to use this laptop for around 4 to 5 years thats why i am confused between 12 core and 14 core like if there will be a huge performance differnce then i will go for 14 core
This is a really helpful and informative video. I’m now stuck between the 12-core M4 Pro with 512GB for 1,999 or the 14-core version with 1TB for 2,399.
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@@JustJoshTech great that you caught it early!
straight to the point. focuses on the numbers instead of his "opinion". Gold standard review style
As a 3D Artist I use a MBP 16" M3 Pro before some updates on Blender I dismissed working heavy task with it, I just did some basic asset creations but when Blender made use of the Metal API for their rendering it became much better, they are now using the hardware RT of the M3. When rendering huge scenes the Macs are champions because if that scene is rendered on a windows machine you are VRAM bottlenecked, there are times where rendering on the mac is faster than my 4080, the reason why is because the Mac has unified memory. Now that the M4 Max is close to the level of the 4080 desktop in rendering, it is the only portable machine you want to use for serious work, even replacing your desktop workstation is feasible. Instead of buying a A6000 Ada for 7k, just get the M4 Max with 128GB ram and it cost less than that card for a whole system, it might be a little bit slower but the amount of vram you have is insane.
Granted that IF the app that you're using can fully utilize the hardware, it'll triumph the Windows machine, simply because it is better designed both in hardware and software
well only if your render times are under 10 minutes.. as seen on the cinebench torture test
@@apricreed9580 im a 3D artist using a G16 4080 with 12GB Vram, not had any issues with anything or felt like anything is too slow, I also use blender and I tell you right now anyone who uses Blender should refrain from rendering on the hardware and use cloud, my renders get done in seconds without working up my laptop, and as a plus I can play GTA 6 next year when it releases, or any other AAA game I want, so if anyone reading this wants a portable beast that handles games and is portable, I recommend G16 4080/4090 or wait for the upgraded G16 in 2025
@@dnch Yes, most blender users who render actually prefer to render under 5 mins, only when rendering animations they render for more than 5 mins. To achieve rendering under 5 mins they optimize the scene as much as possible.
I'm kinda excited about the M4 Ultra, some leaks says that it will be a bit better than the 4090, if the 5090 is not that much better than the 4090 then the Mac Studio will be the best content creation machine period. If that happens I will actually move all my workflow on Mac and just use my windows machine as a gaming machine.
@@apricreed9580 it'll be interesting to see how long it takes for Asahi Linux to get to the M4 Ultra, after all you can just play Windows games on it
Thanks for the honest and helpful review, as always! I plan to buy my M4 Pro 14" MBP tomorrow... so excited! Graphics performance on M4 Pro/Max is really impressive ✨
The amount of effort you team has put in this video is just amazing. Best review as always!
Thank you!
These macs are just murdering the competition.
Not with MacOS they aren't. The few times I had to use MacOS I wanted to rope myself because of the way MacOS does things. If Asahi Linux was daily driveable then maybe I could consider the laptops, but as it is now? No thanks.
@@lycanthosswhat is wrong with the OS? as a CS student even my old intel mac from 5 years ago does everything i need.
@@lycanthoss you can run a vm
The Premier Pro Puget benchmark runs using the Intel version, which has to be translated using Rosseta 2. It’s not optimized for Apple silicon yet that’s why it’s performance is lower than their Windows counterparts, while Davinci Resolve shows the opposite(since it’s optimized).
Great video, btw. Very thorough review.
Noted for next time, and veyr helpful
I asked for an upgrade at work and they just went, "Sure, have an M4 Max MacBook Pro". Seeing this is making me happy, can't wait until it arrives.
where do you work?😂
Yeah where lmao
Can I get hired too?
Cool story bro
An integrated GPU standing toe-to-toe with the RTX 4090 is ridiculous. Chip manufacturers really need to step it up, I wonder if Nvidia's ARM chip coming next year will be anywhere near as powerful.
This is absolutely mind blowing (and I am a PC user). But damn, Apple killed AMD/Intel/Nvidia all at once.
it makes sense actually
I think you cannot treat it as a integrated gpu. If you look at the die shot of m4 max, its more like a cpu attached to a gpu. Around 50% of the chip is gpu. That is massive considering these chips are huge and i think bigger than the 4080.
Good God. It's also pretty crazy that the base M4 is 35% better than Battle Mage.
Besides this iGPU doing it by consuming 20-30w when RTX4090 can eat up to 175W
Great review! I'm a Senior Software Engineer and currently have an Asus G15 I bought about 2 years ago. Its time for an upgrade, the laptop still runs okay but some of the keys don't work and there's a serious double press problem. When it comes to gaming this thing is great, but when you can't type well on the G15 it makes it very hard to use for anything other than gaming. I think its time to go back to a Macbook Pro, and really eyeing an M4 Pro 16. I had a MacBook Pro 2015 that was a great laptop for almost 7 years. I made the switch for gaming last time, and hoped that my windows laptop could do the gaming and the work related stuff as well. I just miss that quality that Apple puts into their products, yes they are expensive but they will last if used right. And they will play some of the games I play, like WoW for example. And I will still have the G15 for things it won't play. I have also been looking at the Legion 7i, but the screens on the Macbooks alone just look so good compared to others, and plus it just plain lasts. Plan right now is to go with a 16" MacBook Pro with M4 Pro with 1TB of storage and probably the 48GB of RAM or the 16" Macbook Pro Max with 36GB RAM and 1TB of storage. It'll be about $3k-$3.5k, but should be worth every penny. I'm excited to get back into using a Mac again, just have to make the decision on which way to go. Max for $500 more or get the Pro and save the $500, tough decisions ahead
I'm on the same boat as you, considering either M4 Pro 14C/20GPU 48GB or M4 Max 14C/32GPU 36GB for software development and some gaming. I think M4 Pro 48GB 1TB might be a wiser option considering the price and the more memory available which would be handy for things like AI LLM development with more memory requirements. Also the M4 Max with 32GPU is a binned version but you pay for the Max chip anyway, so for that the full chip would be better with not so much price difference. The last option I'm considering is the M4 Max 16C/40GPU 64GB which would be ideal for me (128GB is just out of my budget), but is quite more expensive anyway and I think it might not be as necessary and cost-effective like the M4 Pro.
@@Carleslc Yeah I'm leaning more towards the M4, from what I've seen the screen is brighter on the M4 as well so that is a nice littler perk
The studio so aesthetic, love it Josh ❤
I appreciate that. Took a while to get it tight
Really a super review, perhaps the most comprehensive that I’ve watched. Especially appreciated the comparison between pro and Max chips on the 14 inch models. Thank you for some great content!
Watched dozens of other videos on these computers, should have started with this one. Well done, subscribed
Thank you! We appreciate your support!
About the programming section, I think you should put something like Xcode benchmark and some JS or chromium compile benchmark.
At least we can see the difference betwen macs generations in the xcode one, and JS benchmark for the large mayority of devs, I don't work with neither of those, but that was the kind of benchmark was expecting
for xcodebenchmark, all results are published on their github repository. you can have a look any time. i’ve recently committed my xbc results for the m4 series there so i know it’s up to date
Folks thumb this comment plz
The main reason why I would say MacBooks are the best developer machines, is because they can be used to develop software for any OS, which is a big advantage for a lot of developers. I will definitely switch as soon as I get it in my budget
Unix FTW
That feeling when you've watched videos talking about a future video, go back on youtube frontpage and that future video is now posted 5 minutes ago.
As always, the gold standard review! I'll vouch for the M4 14/20/24 , a massive upgrade from the M3 12/18/18. Zero regrets.
My M4 Pro 14/20 with 48GB is eating Large Language Models like a champ. Running NVIDIAs Nemotron model with only 900mb of RAM left to spare - 45GB of VRAM used. The only other way to do this is with a $7000 GPU. Of course the dedicated GPU would do it a lot faster, but this thing can do it anywhere, and doesn't lose any performance when unplugged.
@@GuyGamer1 How much ssd do you have? Been thinking about that one or the M3 Max with 36/1tb.
@@abdurrahmankhan129 The 24 GB.
Hi Josh, I would like to raise few important points based on the review you shared.
Number 1
@7:11 you showed the M4 max (14 core, 14 inch)had the highest temperature of 48*c, however when we look into the fan noise, @8:10 the m4 max 14 core fans are quieter than m4 pro 14 core, can't wrap my head around why is this the case ?
Number 2
@8:55 when Cierra shows the graphic performance chart, it's shown that the m4 pro has 16 core GPU, However, 14 core m4 pro doesn't have 16 core GPU variant, instead has 20 core. So I am confused if you are reviewing the 14 core m4 pro or 12 core m4 pro.
I would highly appreciate if you can clarify on these highlighted points.
He is using scores from other people like Matt and Max tech.
This should be pinned. Not clear which one he is using for the benchmarks. There is no M4 Pro with 14 core CPU and 16 core GPU.
This video is very informative, you guys worked hard!
The only thing missing is comparing 12c vs 14c macbook pro on a 14" and see the heat/performance trade offs.
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I want to know the same, 12c vs 14
Great, in-depth review! The topic was holistically covered, Ugreen Sponsor was nice and not manipulative, and Cierra seemingly slowed down her speech to match Josh's pace. No audio EQ inconsistencies that would have happened ~6 months ago...
You guys have really stepped up your game. Your hard work is noticed. Freaking fantastic work!
Brilliant works Josh, especially the chart comparing Power Effieciency!
When presenting battery life test results, it’s more effective to show the percentage of battery consumed during the test rather than the remaining battery life. This approach highlights the energy efficiency of the laptops more clearly because it directly compares how much battery each device used.
For example, if one laptop uses 15% of its battery during the test and another uses 30%, focusing on the percentage consumed provides a clear picture that the first laptop is twice as energy-efficient as the second. Conversely, displaying the remaining battery percentages (85% and 70%) makes the difference seem less significant. By graphing the percentage consumed, the visual representation becomes proportional to the actual energy usage, making the comparisons more intuitive.
I second this!
miss the 20C M4 Pro in the 16“. This is the sweet spot macbook of this year for most.
20c M4 Pro is the "sweet spot" for most? Are you kidding me? :D Most people wont even use the base M4 to its full potential
@@jdsd_ grow up.
@@m-stat9 Very mature answer! Saying that the 20C M4 Pro chip is the sweet spot for most people just shows that you either have no idea what you're talking about or that you've simply fallen into Apple's consumerism trap. You dont need an M4 Pro chip unless you are doing stuff like very big, professional 4k/ 8k video projects or huge orchestral scores with tons of tracks. For 95% of people the M4 Pro chips are overkill.
@@jdsd_ grow up.
There's something wrong with the 14900hx results, I can get almost 30k on geekbench 6 with last gen 13900hx
Hi,
We have double tripple checked. Even Notebookcheck gets the same results as us around 17k to 18K for Geekbench 6.3 with a i9-14900hX. You can find their scores here: www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i9-14900HX-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.790520.0.html
30k what? Multicore? If yes that's a lie. The 13900hx scores 16k max.
@amirtorhan2762 scored 28k just now
You do the best reviews im seeing online right now. Just one small suggestion for battery life test: Run one of your own video reviews in youtube in 4k on repeat until battery dies. This is literally a real world use case for all of your viewers (otherwise they wouldn't be watching this video). If you have a chance, it would be nice to include the binned m4 pro too. (its the one i am considering buying)
Thank you!!!!! Noted
I found a mistake at 8:58. It says M4 pro 14/16, this chip does not exist. It is either 12/16 or 14/20. So which one is it?
I've been surprised to see no one else noticing in the comments. They said they didn't buy the 12 cores CPU at the 1:50 so it should be the 14/20
@@travismster8276 Exactly, and at 9:17 she says that the 16c gpu has the same performance as the 38c M2 pro, which seems incorrect if they are listing the incorrect number of cores.
This is the review I have been waiting for. Thank you for the great work. Finally someone showed the 14c Max and spent the time on the benchmarks and the math.
I really want to see more of these video editing tests for all laptops! Thank you for the detailed insight!
Comprehensive review, great job Josh and team!
Thanks for the thorough coverage!
hands down the best reviews on RUclips.
witnessing your channel's growth has been inspiring, Good job.
Thanks so much. We are trying very hard to improve in every area.
@ I have noticed the improvements and have to say you’re doing great so far.
Looking forward to the next gen laptops and how they will try to compete with the dominant M4
As a windows user I honestly don’t want to move to MacOS unless I really have to and it’s getting difficult to make excuses for Windows especially after the M4 🤣
Great video and it deserves a subscription. I think you are my favorite reviewer now. You go straight to the facts without sounding like an apple fanboy
Thank you, I appreciate that!
Awesome review mate, just love it 🤝🏻
The way everything is explained in detail , big fan...
Also, would like to see a common programming test for all 🙏🏻
This is hands down the best comparison video on youtube & believe me i have watched ALL of them. You made my purchase decision easier. I was gonna buy a 14 inch M4 max. But now ill just get an M4 pro 14C with apple education savings, that makes it a Super Great deal. Im an audio engineer so I was only concerned about video editing (14 cores is more than enough for all daws) but the amount of money im saving outweighs having to wait 3 more minutes in video export, its a no brainer honestly. And the much better battery on M4 Pro is a real world advantage.
Thanks a lot guys, Subscribing now🔥
As an audio engineer. how do you get to still use apple education savings
Using my friends account
I think thats a good choice for your use case. And that is my intention. To not hype up everything because its new and its Apple. I want to cut through the noise to who should buy what
your reviews are definitely the best! ❤
The nano texture is the big question this generation. A lot of big reviewers seem to prefer it. I look forward to your experience with nano texture, given your high attention to detail.
BEST review channel ever!!!
Thank you! :)
100% worth the wait. The only Macbook review I need to make a decision. Thanks Josh & team you guys are awesome! Looks like its making a lot of sense for me to switch from the current M1 Pro 16/512 to the M4 Pro 24/512. With TB5 speeds I guess external storage as needed in the future...
You got it
Perfect review, I love the numbers driven plots and the focus on showing how the Intel/AMD/Snapdragon performance is benchmarked against these even though it is an M4 review. This really shows a snapshot of the CPU market today.
Excellent video and recommendations 👌🏻
How come you are the ONLY person who shows Apple beating RTX 4090 in GPU results?? Are u a magician?🧙♂
Key point, he’s testing laptops, so it’s beating the 4090m/4080m, not the desktop versions.
@@geoffstrickler NO way it beats 4090 laptop gpu. Where's the real proof since only this video in entire RUclips gives this statement!
@ You can go watch the video where he tested the laptop with the 4090m and see the results there. And the M4 Max did beat it, barely.
I’ve also watched a video (different RUclips channel) that compared the M4 Max to a desktop 4090. The 4090 did win most of the tests, some by large margins, however, the M4 Max was close in several, and actually won 1 or 2 tests.
@@geoffstrickler Can u give the link, cuz I don't see it under this channels videos.
@@bestof467 At 8:52, you can see the Wiildlife Extreme benchmark where the M4 Max 40 core GPU matches the 4090m performance, while the 32 core GPU is faster than 4080m. Do you think it’s reasonable? It’s pretty damn fast to me
I’m still on an intel MacBook Pro. It’s showing its age and I abused that thing with so much animation and music creation work. I cannot wait to upgrade to a M series chip with a tb of storage compared to the 500 gig which filled up very quickly lol
I have a M1 MacBook Air and as tempting as the new M4 Mac mini is I don’t want to jump yet but I’m close because when it can emulate the games my PC can then I’ll basically have no use for that desktop. The only thing that would hold me back at that point is if my MacBook just stopped working, it’s awesome that this thing works just as good as it did day one.
Always look forwards to your videos! Great stuff!
I'm going to sell my kidney to buy a m4 max 16 inch lol
I appreciate your reviews, and your honesty when it comes to recommending previous generation Mac’s rather then pushing people to purchase newer more expensive models. Just subscribed 👍
Yay! Sweet treat to wake up and see this video got posted. Now that you have the MacBooks you can do that video editing laptop show down you said you were waiting on getting the m4’s for 👀
Phenomenal review. One extra area you could touch on is the panel speed, which has a noticeable effect on gaming experience and overall ghosting. For example, the panel speeds in macbooks have generally been horrendous, the M2 lineup was a slight improvement over M1, and M4 with quantum dot is a decent improvement over M3, allegedly.
As far as i'm aware its a Miniled thing. Same occurs on other Miniled panels. We didn't find the ghosting too bad tbh. We checked both black to black and grey to grey. Its there for sure, we just didn't find it quite as bad as the negative comments about it.
Love your videos.
Thanks mate
Thank you for the highly detailed comparison between the new Macbook Pro M4 chips. I was already leaning towards the 14" M4 Pro 14C model, but these benchmark results were enough to prove to me I didn't need to stretch my budget for a 16" M4 Max model (And thank you for including Davinci Resolve benchmarks, so hard to find this data point as it seems everyone else just focuses on Premiere or FCP!). The generational leap from the M3s make this such a better buy from a few months ago when I was looking last, I'm glad I waited for these to release.
Yessss, finally. I was waiting for your video before buying
Most helpful video for my laptop choice!!! Thanks!
Glad we could help!
Your fan noise results don’t seem to line up with what I’ve seen from other outlets that report significantly higher levels on the M4 Max versus the M3 Max.
hi Josh, thanks for the informative breakdown on the new macbook pros. Was deliberating which to get until I watched your video - ended up with a solid hunk of metal (the m4 pro chip , 12 core cpu, 16 core gpu variant). Keep up the good work and happy new year!
The video I was looking for, awesome!
It would be nice to see DAW benchmark, most of buyers buying these for music production as well.
i agree!
Search for James Zhan videos on music production on the m4 MacBook pros, best videos there are. I'm a programmer and I watch those for curiosity, who knows one day I start trying music production on my Mac haha.
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I’m going to do 2 of the things you say to never do. I’m getting the 14” Max and 4 TB SSD. Why? Because these trade offs make an enormous improvement for my work. I travel a lot and the 14” makes it possible to not check bags as it can fit in my personal item backpack (video gear is my carry-on). It also fits in my bike bag for weekly transports to and from the office. My workflow is also edit on MBP SSD and transfer to server when finished. This eliminates issues with editing in NAS and speeds up the interface massively. It is so much easier to not deal with an external drive. I don’t have to worry about forgetting it, it’s not getting in the way and it’s not sapping battery power.
That is totally fine for your use case and makes sense. You will enjoy the machine
Keep it ip. The analysis is really good
Great review.
One suggestion would be to test the fans in clamshell mode as well, as it seems the M4 max is quite noisy in this setup.
Thank you, Sierra, for slowing down in this video. It makes such such a big difference in digestibility of large-scale graphs of specs and test results. I also think it's good to weave Josh and Sierra in and out throughout the video, rather than handing off to Sierra for the rest of a review, since most viewers will stay for the entire video this way until we get more accustomed to Sierra. And it's no offense!! I'm sure any video that has, for example, Linus versus not Linus, or MKBHD versus not MKBHD, etc., will perform better. We started watching for a specific person who was engaging, and we got used to enjoying listening to that person. Anyway, this was one of the best videos from this channel, from start to finish (and I've been a viewer since the beginning). Having this much information in a 23-minute video that we could reference in the future when we are choosing between one of these machines is outstanding, and having Windows devices in the test results and analysis only makes it more comprehensive.
Thank you very much. Yes we were all reading comments about her speed. Please be aware that sometimes I am traveling, or sick, so I do need more help from the team. That includes presening on camera. I do envisiage it being more community based. As in perhaps i'm on camera 60% of the time but then others share their views. Right now most videos have at least 2 of us work on it. That way we can get different perspectives
Great review Josh. I still have M1 Pro MBP but was thinking about getting a Mac Mini with M4 Pro + M4 from MBA next year for mobility.
I was quite surprised at how hard the fans in base MBP with M4 had to work with single fan in sustained worked. This leaves me with some concerns on how well MBA with M4 next year will deal with the sustained workload.
The only video on RUclips that actually shows the Webcam
This is the most impressive chip upgrade since the original m1. The better camera and Thunderbolt 5 are cherry's on top. Apple chips are now on another level, especially considering they achieve this on battery. The improvments on the pros are particularly notable. Unless you are a gamer or need Windows, there's no reason to buy anything else.
Such a good video thanks ❤
these videos really make me wanna bump up to an m4 pro chip even though all I do is watch RUclips on the laptop. lol
Am just gonna wait for M4 Air then.
What I’m thinking about is the difference between the 16” M4 Pro 48/512 and the 16” M3 Max 36/1tb. At Best Buy they are about the same price except for about $100.
The cpu performance is superior on the m4 pro. That would be the main difference imo.
Sometimes I feel like, RUclipsrs like you should be hired by RUclips.
Excellent content, crunching numbers. Thanks.
Also, Macbook Pros with M4 are now apparently using quantum dot panel instead of nornal lcd for better motion clarity, more efficiency and better color reproduction...
Great review but you should consider including some common AI app benchmarks too. For example the easiest one you can do is from the Topaz family - Topaz Video or Topaz Photo. I'm very curious to see how well the M chips compare to Nvidia GPUs in terms of video upscaling.
I'll take a look at that one
@@JustJoshTech Superb! Will be very interesting
Much respect to Cierra! She now delivers her observations at a more measured pace, which makes them much easier to follow.
Thanks for noticing. I've passed your note along
With this release and the discounted M2s and M3s, which Mac model would you recommend as a gift for general use for for a non-techie retiree?
I'd say the M3 Pro 11 core is a pretty good general one to get
@@JustJoshTech Thank you!
The best review I watched, again🎉
You are a legend
That is a very informative video ❤
Regarding your recommendation to not get the Max chip on the 14" MacBook Pro: if your use case requires connecting to more than two external displays, then the Max chip is your only option. In this case, I would recommend going with the lower-end binned Max Chip to ameliorate the cooling issue with the 14" chassis.
Understood. That is fair
Great content, thanks
@JustJoshTech why you missed MacBook Pro 14 (M4 12C)?
As a coder I would like to see Visual Studio Performance tested running in a Parallels VM. Plus SQL Server. How responsive is daily work in VS and how quick is compilation?
6:36 Apple has ascended to another realm entirely....
Great Review 🎉
It really looks to me like the M4 Pro is the highlight story here. From all of your tests, it appears to be very near the CPU performance of the M3 Max, and the GPU performance of the M2 Max. Im considering one for video editing, and I recall people raving for years that an M1 Max is a beast for video editing, but I am starting to suspect the M4 is the first “Pro” to finally dethrone some of the old generation “Max” models, unless I’m misinterpreting your results. It’s hard not to wonder if the M4 Max is just far beyond what most people would ever need, while the Max up until now, was less so. If the M4 Pro could get the job done for 90% of people, it really appears to be the biggest computer bargain in history.
Good and informative video.
I'm prescribed!!!
Thank you!
For the programming section I'd love to see something for us mobile devs! I professionally develop Android apps and often compile the project I'm working on to run on an emulator. In my spare time I also do cross platform work with Kotlin Multiplatform and often run the project on an Android emulator & iOS simulator at the same time, I think this load would nicely show differences between machines with different CPU/RAM configs as well as from generation to generation. In these scenarios I'd be looking at general snapiness and build times.
Watching your video on late-2011 Macbook Pro 15" that originally came with 4GB RAM, 512GB HDD and MacOS Lion. But I upgraded to 16GB RAM (Max supported memory) and 500GB SSD. Converted the CD_Drive slot into another storage unit with a caddy where I installed the original 512GB HDD. So in total, I have now 1TB storage. The machine is super fast AF....but...... the processor is still the 2.2GHz i7 which cannot catch up with the demands of the current softwares. Even chrome doesn't support the final OS version on my machine - MacOS High Sierra.
And as primarily a windows user, I'm jealous again. Maybe I should get a macbook next honestly. I've been jealous for over a decade for how good the speakers have been but since apple silicon dropped, that performance and efficiency is just unmatched. Not like there's a lot of games that I have the time or inclination to play these days so I probably won't miss much.
Good video, but I'd like to make two points. First, if you're on a Mac, you really should be using Final Cut Pro. Second, when talking about price, when you buy from Apple you not only can get interest free payments for a year, you also get 3% cashback, which sometimes is almost the same discount you get to the other retailers or around half, depending on the sell.
One thing that may make you upgrade to a max chip that is worth mentioning is external display support. I use 3 external displays so I had to get a m3 max last year.
for the programming just do a compilation test and that's it 😄it is very difficult to test "programming" performance, but a compilation test is a good start.
Great comparaison
Just subscribed YIPPEE Ty Josh
You got it!
This is an amazing review!
Is there any improvement in the slow response times of the screens? When I used an M3 MacBook Pro 14", I noticed some blurriness when scrolling.
Are you guys testing the performance again for every new video? Im a bit confused that your performance of the m3 max 16c (0:49) is different to the performance of the same laptop in the same test last week (Video: The Worlds Most Powerful Gaming Laptop 3:50) SC and MC are (slightly) different
A good programme to give a full workout for laptops is Metashape. It needs good CPU, GPU, memory, and the needs vary depending on the task (e.g. aligning photos, generating mesh, texture etc). It something that’s normally seen as a preserve of PCs with dedicated GPUs, so would be good to compare to those.
You review made me think about getting a Mac for 20min.
Great review btw.
I think you should include a coding benchmark for compilation time for projects in C/C++, Java/JS, and Python...
recently discovered your channel
one of the best tech channel out there
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planning to buy m4 pro mbp 14 inch in back to school offer but i am confused between 12core and 14core and whether i should opt for nano texture or not ?
btw i'm an engineering student from cse background
is there any brightness difference between glossy and nano texture one because i mostly use my laptop indoors
go for 12 core and no nano display since you are mostly indoors. Best bang for the buck in the entire lineup
@@justinchundakkattil284 i want to use this laptop for around 4 to 5 years thats why i am confused between 12 core and 14 core like if there will be a huge performance differnce then i will go for 14 core
@@justinchundakkattil284 btw thanks for replying
Something I am still confused about-so some of the 14" MacBook Pros DO have 2 fans? Or you have to go a 16" to get the two fans?
12 or 14 core for M4 Pro?
This is a really helpful and informative video. I’m now stuck between the 12-core M4 Pro with 512GB for 1,999 or the 14-core version with 1TB for 2,399.
Hi Josh, can we expect a comparison between 12 core m4 pro vs 14 core m4 pro ?