The Wizard of Oz was released in 1939. While technically not an action movie in the modern sense, it had a strong female lead, a strong female antagonist, special effects, action sequences, and is still popular to this day as an all time classic.
Random fun Jennifer Lawrence facts: • she wrote and did the chorus for Rockwell’s “Somebody’s Watching Me” • she discovered both AC and DC methods of delivering electricity • invented the theory of relativity • stormed the beaches of Normandy pre D Day to scout for the allies • built the pyramids of Giza single handed (with just one hand and her slaves) • wrote all the books in the Library of Alexandria • hung all the flora in the Hanging Gardens of Babylon
I heard that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Lenin, KimYongUn and FidelCastro are all female actually. They just posed as males to advocate feminism. So stunning and brave!!! 😆👏
Lets thank Jennifer Lawrence for bringing us Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor, Commander Shepard, Queen Cersei Lannister, Leeloo, Valeria, and of course her greatest role ever as the Bride.
@@Pro_Vaxxer damn, she had so many great roles in her career I even forgot about this one. Rumours say she even dared to shave her hair to be in character. So strong and brave.
Great soundtrack. Poet/Author Alice Walker said she had misgivings about choosing Spielberg till she heard the song "The Dirty Dozens" and saw the juke joint set. She took a lot of flack but said, _"If he can do aliens, I'm sure he can do us."_ "King J.B." and "Celie Shaves Mr./Scarification Ceremony" are also top notch from the soundtrack.
I also don't understand this obsession with gender.... like to general audiences, nobody cares about the gender; basically a movie or any story depends on the writing; they are the most crucial to a story and that's where Hollywood downgraded to Tumblr writers that have no clue how to write a story. This is why Hollywood today is shite. Like okay, cool it looks good, but you know.... you don't give 2 shits whether your phone looks slick if it comes broken out of the sealed box.
Milla's Leeloo will live forever. And she got smart enough to raise her girls away from the public eye. AJ is a trap, it seems like. That is what you get from slipping one past a hippie girlfriend.
I think this comes from the very true statistic about literature. Boys as a group will show greater interest in a book with a male protagonist, while girls have no preference.
Without Jennifer Laurence we would not have the amazing WD-40 we use to lubricate so many things in our lives. Her invention, done against all odds, despite her oppression... has changed the world. Stunning and brave.
Let's remember her famous words: "I was talking aloud to myself. A habit of the old: they choose the wisest person present to speak to." J.R.R. Lawrence. She is such a great fantasy author! 🙏
She wasn't even playing it when it really mattered for her to show off. That's just her stunt double then for all the crazy hits and stuff. Meanwhile you got Charlize Theron in "Atomic Blonde" doing her damnedest to do much of that work herself and you can feel it.
@@emhu2594 Well..most books that were made into movies from that rough timeperiod were..shite..50 Shades of Bad Fanfiction,Twilight,Hunger Games series..
Geena Davis in The Long Kiss Goodnight was the most badass female lead. Still one of my favorite movies ever. Samuel L. Jackson has also said this was his favorite movie. Thanks for acknowledging that movie
Kate Beckinsale is a personal favorite among female action-talent. One reason she stands out to me is that she's got a dramatic acting background, hence her characters tend to carry themselves with more substance and grace than most actresses doing action films nowadays.
Selene would never be mentioned today because Beckinsale was absolutely gorgeous then and "sexualized" in her skin-tight outfit. You notice how the majority of characters in movies and shows are (to put it crudely) mostly 5-7's?
Amazed it took people this long to realize she's full of hot air. She's been told every little thing she does is amazing since she was a teenager. I'm not surprised she's got a warped view of the world.
Tbh everyone can have a slip up in an interview and she already admitted her mistake. She meant it well. Some memes of this incident are funny but i also see a lot of bitterness. Like i saw this fan account who got hate and threats just because of that little clip
@@dwightmanne he says they did it. She says they didn't. You and I weren't there so we can't know for sure. + good to note that weinstein said that he slept with her and won an academy award after that because he wanted to convince this other actress to give him oral pleasure. So basically they had both reasons to lie about it.
I read the first Hunger Games book and it's surprisingly good, though the Katniss in that book has more depth than the version played by Jennifer. I'll never forget how she refused to lose weight for the role because of ''sexist expectations'' or whatever, but the thing is, book Katniss STARVES. She hunts for a living. The partial premise of the Hunger Games is that most people in the US starve after it became a dystopia and whoever wins the competition gets to live in comfort. Jennifer refusing to appear skinny completely ruins the adaptation.
I also read the books. Katniss also had tanned skin and was small/short. In the film, Jennifer Lawrence was taller/larger than the other women casted (including those who supposedly came from a more prosperous district), let alone Josh Hutchinson, who played Peeta. She was definitely miscast in that role.
@@phoebea there’s been unconfirmed fan speculation that Katniss in the book was meant to be POC because of her appearance, possibly Native American or Latina, which she might have inherited from her dead father. This is obviously just fan theory. Jennifer Lawrence was miscast either way.
It's always an act of folly to compare a book to a movie based on a book. The movie will ALWAYS come off as something "lacking" compared to the book. Why? It's all about psychology. When you read a book you are actively forming your own impression of the story, i.e., your are "personalizing your own "movie" of the story in your mind, whether you are aware of this or not. Movie watching is a much more PASSIVE experience. The story presented is the version and the vision is the product of the mind of someone else, not you and certainly not the author.
@@DM-it1qf why do people on the internet always seem to forget white people tan when in the sun for long periods of time (the way someone hunting for food every day or toiling away in the sun would)? That's why cultures across the world venerated the lightest skin tones their people could have for centuries (even in non-European countries like in Asia, for example). It meant you were rich and powerful enough to not have to work in the fields. Something a poor, white person in an apocalyptic Hellscape would definitely not be able to do. Tan does NOT equate to POC. 🙄😒😑
Remember when she complained about equal pay for female actors? But she didn’t say a word when she got paid *more* the Chris Pratt for Passengers, despite being in *less* of the film…standards so good, she doubled them!
@@ekscalybur Yep-yep, and she raised, fed and clothed herself... She built her own childhood home... And most impressive of all; when no school would accept her, she educated HERSELF! I think that really shines through whenever she speaks.
Nobody ever gives Pam Grier enough credit for anything. She really was the first female action star, fifty years ago. And we're coming up on the twenty-fifth anniversary of Pam Grier playing one of the strongest female character leads ever, as a middle-aged woman of color, in Jackie Brown. But I guess that never really happened!
Not to knock Pam's thunder, because Jackie Brown's great, but Guinness presently credits IRL trick shooter Gail Davis in 1953's Annie Oakley. Hooowever, it can reasonably be argued the first female action star was doing her thing in 1914, Helen Holmes in 'The Hazards of Helen', was doing all the usual action set pieces and stunts, including fights on top of trains and all sorts of shenanigans.
Nancy Allen from Robocop (1987) needs greater mentions for her role in that film. Her character helped Murphy rediscover who he was, and from there, his humanity. She was a very capable officer without being a Mary-sue. Her first scene was of her getting knocked aside before getting back up and regaining control over an offender. She worked with Murphy rather than against him by holding her experience over him on his first day. Nancy did a great job of consistently playing Anne Lewis again in Robocop 2, taking no shit and talking straight in every serious situation without acting unpleasant toward anyone
I know it’s not a movie but Sarah Michelle gellar as Buffy the vampire slayer is still one of my all time favorites. I probably rewatch that show every few years.
I'm re-watching the show now, coincidentally. It was my favorite as a freshman in high school. I came (in more ways than one) for the beautiful women, but stayed for the engrossing storytelling.
You _do_ know that the original _Buffy_ was a Movie, right? For God's sakes, Rutger Hauer was the main villain and Paul Reubens was his sidekick! It's a classic!
yeah its like everyone forgot buffy existed. i know a lot of guys back when buffy was on who loved the show. i personally wasn't into it, i knew about it but it wasn't for me. i just know it was so popular and it starred a woman doing action things.
@@_Jay_Maker_ yes i know it was a movie, your comment structure is kinda strange it starts of condescending and then you embrace how awesome the film is lol. OK then
Lol she's a joke but give me a break, someone says something dumb about action movie stars and now they should apologize to the action stars before her, do you hear yourself? Grow a pair and stop being a tool.
I remember when everyone was gushing over how "down to earth" she is; well it turns out that she was the first one to discover a dinosaur fossil in the late 1800s
It was sadly amusing that "J-Law" used her image as an "aw, shucks" country girl to achieve stardom, and then promptly shat all over the Christians & rural Americans which she had pretended to spring from. Kind of like Stephen King; they use their cultural niche to gain fame and then trash their roots.
Yep I think that bubble burst. I do enjoy her films but to say something that outlandish makes her look incredibly stupid. While the hunger games are decent hardly the best action movies ever not even close. She portrayed the character well but didn't invent the atom or the wheel.
How many remember when she jumped on the wage gap bandwagon and asked if she would have been paid more as a man? If she was a man she wouldn’t be the star of The Hunger Games.
Yea nah that's stretching it a bit too far. Yes a lead character, but not THE lead character...actually I would say Moulder was really the lead - she was more of a side-kick. Also it's not an 'action' show/movie.
Scully was Moulders sidekick? Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about: you've maybe seen 2 episodes. They had EQUAL billing, in every sense. He was the believer, she was the sceptic (that applied scientific reasoning). She won countless awards for her performances, and when Duchovny left the show for essentially 2 seasons she continued to anchor the show as before. That other guy has a point this not being an action movie, but Anderson/Scully is still relevant to the discussion of pioneering lead female characters/actresses. Plus, there were 2 X Files movies. You both fail.
Alien(s), Xena, Terminator movies, GI Jane, La Femme Nakita, Long Kiss Goodnight, Tomb Raider movies, Fifth Element, The Serenity movie, Underworld movies, Resident Evil movies. That’s just off the top of my head and barely scratches the surface.
This is the same woman who went from thanking Harvey Wienstein for producing the movie that got her an Oscar, to saying suddenly that he was a pain in the ass who wouldn't go away.
Apparently she was one of his "favourites" probably while she was underage. I feel sorry for her for that, but the experience seems to have deranged her. She would probably be a much happier, healthier person if she stepped away from Hollywood and spent some time in the real world.
Or you could look at at it from another point of view. Harvey seemed to control a lot of the industry, so while he was in charge she thanked him... because yanno she doesnt want to lose work.
Frankly... Thank you for bringing up "The Long Kiss Goodnight". Very underrated film that more people need to see! "Nobody had ever put a woman in the lead of an action movie before"... Hunger Games came out in 2012... the same year that the *fourth* Underworld movie and *fifth* Resident Evil movie came out. Y'know, beyond the obvious Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley examples.
I wrote a paper in my freshman English class, in 1984. It was about my favorite hero; and I wrote about Sigourney Weaver (my teacher had no idea who she was or how to pronounce her name for that matter). This was 1984...before Aliens. I said she was a hero because not only survived against all odds, but she was the slayer of the 'alien', she was a dragon slayer. She was ahead of her time before she was ahead of her time. Everybody remember her from Aliens, but she was a hero before she was locked and loaded with firepower. The take-away is that the fact that Jennifer L. and others these days claim to be at the vanguard of heroic women. Heroic woman have been around since I was a kid...and I'm closer to being a corpse than a kid.
Great action lead female stars -Jane Russell " the outlaw " -Jane Fonda " barbarella " -Raquel Welch " 100 rifles " -Monica Vitti " modesty blaise " -Cornelia Sharp " S+H+E " -Barbara Bach " the spy who loved me " -Pam Grier " foxy brown etc " -Sandahl Bergman " conan the barbarian, she " -Grace Jones " a view to a kill " -S-Weaver " alien, aliens alien 4, mm " -Geena Davis " long kiss goodnight " -Cynthia rothrock " lady dragon, rage and honor -Michelle Yeoh - wing chung, tai chi master -Yukari oshima " Avenging Quartet " -Christina lindberg " thriller " -Tanya Roberts " sheena " -Brigitte Nielsen " red sonja " -Linda Hamilton " terminators " -Sharon stone " quick and the dead " etc
Just a quick summary, out of that list: Jane Fonda, Sigourney Weaver, Geena Davis, & Pam Grier were also the indisputable main protagonists of the respective films.... Direct counter-examples that Jennifer Lawrence is spouting nonsense.
My most favorite movie of hers is "The Messenger" from 1999. There she manages to balance that mix of being evidently unhinged while, accidentally, being an inspiring badass. Also, her slowly breaking down from both within and without in the later part. *chef kiss* performance for me.
i am thankful that Jenn finally opened up the path for female action led flicks. Now we will get to enjoy Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman series and i've heard we will also get Lindsay Wagner's The Bionic Woman in the future. Looking forward to seeing those. They might actually turn to be good.
I would even list Carrie Ann Moss from the Matrix. She was the first character we saw in the movie and she kicked ass. It is easy to forget, but Neo was just a load they carried around for most of the first movie and Trinity was the one who actually did stuff. It was only in the sequels that she got relegated to designated love interest, before straying too far into the other direction with the fourth movie.
Yea Neo sucked until the last 5 minutes of the final act. Trinity was the strongest, really. Call her "supporting" if you want; the distinction seems arbitrary to me.
When I saw Carrie Fisher, Sigourney Weaver, Linda Hamilton, and a lot more of these actresses in those action movies, I saw a super badass character that I love to this day! Not a "strong and independent woman", but badass characters that were feminine, yet they took down the badest of the villains! My God, I love and miss those characters.
Carrie Fisher wasn't the lead in Star Wars, though. Mark whathisname, who played Luke Skywalker, was the lead. JLaw is still WRONG & ignorant of film history, but she did say the LEAD role in an action film, not just badass female characters. So let's be accurate in our criticisms.
@DonnaBrooks A) Princess Leia IS a main character though. She is one of the primary point of view characters. She might not be "the" lead but she certainly is "a" lead. There is a reason it's called a Space Opera: it has multiple main characters And B) people are being accurate in their criticisms. Taking issue with one of the many examples (an issue many wouldn't agree with you on) does not change the fact Lawrence was blatantly and ignorantly wrong.
This does seems to be the trend, just like Jordan Peele stating that studios never handed out a big budget film to a lack director before him (including his own movies) or Sikh Liu claiming to break through ceilings as though Bruce Lee, Brandon Lee, Sonny Chiba or Jackie Chan didn’t exist. Also, I’ve been listening to this dialogue for a couple of days now and a movie that hasn’t mentioned is La Femme Nikita, it’s remake and spin off television show. One of my personal favorites
The Shaw Brothers movies were also really good. I watched them on Saturday morning. Jet Lee was also pretty big. Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy were huge. So we're actors cc like James Earl Jones. There are too many to list.
The first woman I ever saw that I considered to be a strong action character was Katherine Hepburn in the African Queen, starring alongside Humphrey Bogart. This was a movie I had seen several times with my grandparents. It showed a strong, female character that would never back down, travelling down a dangerous river in Africa, trying to get out onto a lake so she could blow up a Nazi war ship. There a little steamboat that they were planning to use to ram into the war ship with a torpedo, mounted into it. It sank. They believed they had failed, and when the Nazis captured them, she admitted what it was she was trying to do and didn’t care if they shot her dead complete bad ass. Needless to say they did not fail. She was successful. In my opinion the first strong, female action character I’ve ever seen. In addition, she didn’t have to be 10 to be like a guy. She still held our femininity and was still a bad ass.
Was going to mention The African Queen as well. While not exactly an action film, you could also point to the other Hepburn - Audrey - in Charade as a strong lead. Likewise Leslie Caron in Father Goose.
@Russell Wood Thanks for bringing memories of African Queen back. Hepburn's character also started out as a fragile thing. Just as Charlie Allnut did, she grew substantially during the film. Cheers,
The propaganda gets worse over time, so looking back 50 or 60 years, it's hard to notice. You grew up with it. Your grandparents would probably notice, though.
Disparu's comments impress me more and more each time he appears in the chat. Balanced but incisive and doesn't let anyone get away with anything. Good on you, Disparu!
She didn't even fit the character... for someone who had to hunt to eat a decent meal she sure was on the thiccer side. Not that the movie would have been measurably improved with a better casting anyway.
@@Akintich I have nearly a hundred years of SciFi and Fantasy on my shelves and Hunger Games did not do the genre that well although for a young adult audience it probably was good enough.
I remember when I was watching Michelle Yeoh, and Zhang Ziyi in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon at the theatre and thought to myself "I can't wait until that 10 year old girl living in Kentucky right now makes a movie in 12 years, and makes this movie I am watching right now possible."
Wow, we must have been at the same showing as I had that exact thought. I am so grateful that Jennifer was born and made our wonderful world come into being retroactively.
I remember watching House of Flying Daggers and thinking how great it'll be for Zhang Ziyi to be in this movie thanks to J Law in about a decade. Her talent is so grand not even time and space could hold it.
She looks like a completely different person than she did in those movies. Time hasn't been kind to her. My favorite female action hero is Kate Beckinsale's character Selene in the Underworld movies. It's sad Hollywood can't make anything as good as those movies anymore.
@@TheDreamfinder99 That was Rhona Mitra, but her and Kate do look very similar, which is why she got cast to play Sonja, since Selene reminder Viktor of her so much.
It is a little known fact that Jennifer Lawrence's first acting role was in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire where she was seen as Emma Watson's wizard's sleeve.
It can be fairly argued that the first female action hero swung onto screens over a decade before the first movie with sound. Helen Holmes in The Hazards of Helen (1914), hit some of the classic action set pieces of today, including fights on top of trains. Helen Holmes even did most of, if not all of, her own stunts.
The scene where she goes into the room with all the katanas is still like a perfect example of how to use awe(and an odd piece of music) as a tone in a film and as a note for an actor to say everything without basically saying anything. (Which is odd in a tarantino film. He loves fast paced dialogue. Yet that scene is so chill.) Those two movies are amazing.
Kill Bill Vol I and II are legit two of my favorite movies, and Uma Thurman is unquestionably the female lead of a purely action vehicle. No idea what JenJen is going on about.
Sarah Michelle Gellar as Buffy in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It had a great female lead and a lot of well written male characters as well. Xander, Giles, Spike, Angel, etc. The show had its strange spots, but when it was good, it was good. One might even include all the well written female leads in video games, as well. FemShep had some of the best lines in the series, in my opinion and the fact Bioware made Femshep cannon alongside Maleshep goes to show how much the fans loved the female version of the character.
Dear Drinker, thank you for your RUclips content. I listen to your "after hours" because I am a widow and my husband of 30 years was a true man, and it is relaxing to hear the humor, compassion, intellect, and snark. While I can only answer for myself, I adore true men, and I give the generation of boy's cookies and sandwiches. Gentlemen, turns out some women respect and honor true men. Keep the faith.
Bullshit. She stole the show in some amazing movies ( Silver Linings, American Hustle). Talking nonsense doesn't make her a bad actress. It's just about time for her to be more picky about her projects.
@@miskatonic6210 Agreed she was fantastic in those films. She's also incredibly easy on the eye for the masses of hetero men. partly because she's not supermodel hot...but the hot girl most of us would dream of getting, but couldn't for whatever reason. that's part of her allure. IMO. She's a solid actress with an unfortunate side of Narcissism who should ignore agendas but she's been polluted by her peers.
@@miskatonic6210those are absolutely not action heroes (or she-roes, for the SJWs) and sure, she was lauded for those roles, but the sentiment of the comment both by Jen and the above comment is eluding to is FEMALE ACTION CHARACTERS.
@@AYFKMRN the above comment didn't specifically say about female action heroes. The argument she's a decent actress in other movies is ergo a good argument against the statement:she's a one hit wonder. Also insinuating she thinks she deserve more is just a bit vile and bitter tbh
I had a lot of respect and admiration for Jennifer Lawrence and she destroyed IT ALL with that interview. To a point where I absolutely LOATHE her now... great job ^^ But I love Sigourney Weavers reaction to that interview... awesome ^^
Same. I had to ask in the chat during the stream who she was and why everyone was talking about her. Completely forgot about the hunger games and her. She doesn't look like she did then. Time hasn't been kind to her.
The Drama Class comment is spot on. In high school, I was a choir/band nerd and even I didn't like to hang around Drama nerds. They didn't just study drama, they were drama.
Thank you Drinker for finally mentioning Red Sonja, among all the other incredible awesome female heroes, I really wished for some time that at least someone remembered her and she was my idol while I grew up (although I am not a red hair, but still it wasn't her looks that made me love her :D)
I owe my very life to Jennifer Lawrence. Without her inventions of anaesthetic and key hole surgery, I would have died. And all this without ever finishing high school. What a freaking genius this woman is, who has clearly gotten to where she is in life on her ability and not because she's a pretty girl with a large chest.
@@trevorthornley8835 guess I'll have go and check those photos that were totally hacked, and definitely not leaked for publicity purposes in order to verify.
I've never been an action movie fan, but I did like _La Femme Nikita_ (1990). In addition to being the first action movie starring a woman that I ever saw, it's also the first French movie I ever saw.
I liked the original movie and the first TV series starring Peta Wilson but never really took to the remake series that was just titled Nikita. There was also a movie remake starring Bridget Fonda called, I think, No Return. It was pretty much a shot for shot remake but lacked the style of the original.
When I was a kid I loved watching the Bionic Woman. This was back in 1976-78, and Lindsay Wagner played the character Jaime Sommers. It was a spin off of the Bionic Man, but I enjoyed it more. Doomsday Is Tomorrow and Fembots were two of my favorite episodes. Great fun to watch and was always rooting for her.
Add to that Erin Grey as Wilma Deering in Buck Rogers 25th Century (the first season at least) and Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman. Along with Lindsay Wagner, they were the original trio of action heroines at least on TV.
Commenting on the Quartering's video about this interview, I mentioned Pam Grier starring in 'Foxy Brown' and 'Coffy'. Thinking back, though, there was also Emma Peel played by the unforgettable Diana Rigg. Sure, the Avengers was a British TV series, but Emma Peel kicked ass. She took on thugs with both her mind and her martial arts skills on a weekly basis and she did it while being feminine. In the US we had two female TV action stars in the 70s. There was Wonder Woman played by Lynda Carter and we had the Bionic Woman played by Lindsay Wagner. Both drew in young male viewers. While it could be argued that Lynda Carter running around in what amounted to a one-piece swimsuit was the motivating factor for Wonder Woman's viewership, I cannot recall an episode of the Bionic Woman in which Lindsay Wagner appeared in anything skimpy and the show still held its place in the ratings for two years.
I loved the Bionic Woman and there was ONE forgettable episode where she was in the middle east protecting a king...she had to belly dance! btw, she has (d) an awesome body...my first crush
I hear, before Jennifer Lawrence, electricity was just a myth. No one thought lighting your home in the night was even possible. Thank you Jennifer Lawrence. Without you we wouldn't even have bread to eat. So stunning and brave...
I would argue that Gone with the Wind with Vivien Leigh counts as an action movie for the 1930s that men and women, boys and girls liked to watch, to the point that it was the highest earning movie and held that record for decades. Something people went back multiple times to watch. O'Hara was tough in tense situations and held her own against all kinds of threats and struggles. Sure, she wasn't going Rambo or kicking ass with punches and kicks, nor was there non-stop fight/action scenes all the way through, but she was a realistic heroine doing what was humanly possible in dangerous and chaotic circumstances sprinkled throughout the film. The action she encountered was thrilling for audiences at the time. And she wasn't some perfect princess that everyone liked. We had men and women watching and enjoying a female lead that was morally grey, snippy, frustratingly stubborn, and makes all sorts of bad decisions she had to pay for. Sure, it's not over the top, shoot-em-up action or something by today's standards, but women could and did lead movies. Immensely popular movies. People just seem to compare today's action movies and then look at the things of the past and overcome the mental hurdle that THAT was what audiences saw as action in their time. Modern audiences just have more leeway with what can be shown in movies (especially with younger audiences) and what general audiences' sensibilities could tolerate.
I like your thought process… and Scarlett did put a slug into the Scavenger’s face at Terra. I still wouldn’t classify the movie as an action movie as much as a Historical Romance with action scenes. The point of her being a strong female lead is absolutely correct, regardless.
She’s like Ayla from Jane Auel’s “Children of Earth” books. She’s a Cro-Magnon chick raised by Neanderthals. She invented the spear thrower, built the first fire with flint, she was the first to domesticate horses, and wolves. There’s more but you get the point; she’s the original Mary Sue. The mother of everything. Now we have Jennifer Lawrence. Lol Come to think of it, your review of “Clan of the Cave Bear” would be pretty interesting.
Actors have a difficult time reconciling how important they are treated vs how unimportant they really are. Denzel Washington is so refreshing because he has a sense of perspective of an actors role I'm society.
Aliens is the holy grail of films... Me and my mates loved that film and absolutely related to Ripley, especially tooling up taking the lift down to face the queen, so epic!
Yep, and not a sign of virtue-signalling wokeness to be seen, hence we loved it and accepted a female action lead without batting an eye. It's when they draw attention to it that's the turnoff.
There have been strong female characters in cinema, since the silent era. I think of people like Mary Pickford, who were not only stars in front of the camera, but helped shape Hollywood and commanded enormous wealth. Male heroes my have been more abundant, but we always had our female heroes too.
The Perils of Pauline came out in 1914, almost 100 years before The Hunger Games. The actress who played Pauline did many of her own stunts. Now many times she gets rescued by her boyfriend but I've seen a clip of her climbing down a rope by herself, that was hanging down from a hot air balloon over a cliff face. No CGI in those days.
@@eba9121 i'm not sure, but i know they did get along great, here's the ceremony where she gets to have her moment: ruclips.net/video/e7t4pTNZshA/видео.html
This is a never-ending cycle. An interesting experiment: watch the acceptance speeches from Oscars for the past 40-50 years. The majority of Best Actress winners says some variation of: "Finally, there are complex roles for women in films!" This will never stop going on.
Mary Fuller was the VERY first female action lead in the 1910s silent film era. She did REAL action in serial movies where she was the title and lead character.
Michelle Yeoh, Cynthia Rothrock, Meiko Kaji from Lady Snowblood, Pam Grier in loads of Blaxploitation films from the 70s, Uma Thurman in the Kill Bill films, Jeeja Yanin in Chocolate, Anne Parillaud in La Femme Nikita. That's just a few off the top of my head.
To mention a tv show: The character of Samantha Carter in stargate SG-1 is an awesome character, and kinda badass. And in Star Trek Voyager, you have Janeway and 7of9 and B'Lanna Torres, and they all had 1 or more action hero episodes atleast. (So basically they starred in a 45 or 90 minute tv movie).
Did anyone ever really think Katniss was a strong female character? I never saw the movies but from what I remember in the books Katniss was just a girl who basically threw down her life to save her sister. Brave for sure and even moreso desperate, but even in the Hunger Games itself a lot of your odds of survival came down to luck, whether good or bad, and attracting the attention of sponsors. Katniss leading a revolution was a massive group effort from people above her in status and power using her as a propoganda piece. Thats all she was most of the time. The girl who spoke out against the oppressors and had the allies and crowd backing to save her ass from getting assassinated. The books dont end happy either. For all her work and strength, she loses everyone around her and doesn't even get to enjoy the slightly better world she helped to make. She's pretty much a PTSD-riddled, lonely shell of a young woman by the end. She went through war. She wasn't happy, and she wasn't a winner. She was lucky to have survived, but wishes she didn't. She's a tragic character more than a strong one in my very outdated opinion - haven't read the books in like a decade at this point lol.
Although she’s tragic she’s still very complex and interesting, but yes, moreso tragic and used as adults’ pawn in their game rather than a “strong female” of sorts. She was just a normal and very damaged girl, which is what women characters should be allowed to be-just people, not “strong independent women” but just human beings.
in the first book she volunteered her life to save her sister. she had been feeding her family and was rather competent, which meant that she could leverage what skill she had in order to play the part better than the others in the game. at the end of the game she had been invested in her part and had a moral dilemma of killing her partner that had got her the sympathy from those with means to level the playing field and allow her to succeed. this sort of thing was meant to get those that watched to feel good about being immoral since even she would be immoral to save herself, but she decided to kill herself instead in a manor that didn't have a resolution to the game and show how immoral the people in charge were. so at this point she had done three things in her life that were her own decisions, feeding her family, sacrificing herself for her sister, and a cooperative suicide to ruin the game. in the next 2 books the only other thing she did that was not decided for her was to kill the new leader during the execution of the old leader. that is it, all 4 things she did with her life, and the epilogue was that the world was still as fucked up as if she never made those decisions. all the sacrifices and hardship was for nothing and evil still reined supreme, she just made things sort of better for herself in a very round about way that left her bitter. there was a plan to try and opt out of that world altogether but she never took it and ended up dragging down a bunch of others with her cold feet. she did a bunch of action stuff but it was all show and no real substance.
You do realize that strength isn’t entirely physical right? Yeah, she’s a tragic character but her preserving through all those things proves how strong she is. You straight up refuted your own point with every sentence.
I would like to add, just as one example, to all those from all the shows and movies we know, Britomart, from Edmund Spencer's The Faerie Queene, written in 1590 AD. She's an Arthurian knight who wields as undefeatable enchanted spear, and the hero of book III. She defeats a bunch of knights in combat, meets Merlin, defeats the evil Radigund, rescues a bunch of knights, proves her character and worthiness, and even saves her true love from slavery. Female action hero, in one of the foundational works of English literature, written over four hundred years ago.
@@sigmacademy very true. If you get outside the major motion pictures and get into the B movies, there are plenty. That's where people try things out and make lots of alternate versions of popular stories and genres.
I know there are many before it but "Kill Bill" has always been one of my absolute favorite movies. It's subtle in surprising ways, violent to the extreme, and The Bride is an insanely good protagonist. Not only The Bride though, the best villians are the females too. How damn cool was Gogo?! And Vernita? Sweet homemaker who just happens to be a deadly weapon herself. Bill was the big bad guy, and the movie built that up, but the ladies made the film. It's NEVER been about gender, it's been about good writing vs crap writing. What about Judgement Day?? When I saw Sarah Connor in the asylum, it was badass. It was a huge moment and instantly made want to watch more. Like, how did this sweet little woman from the first film become this terrifying lunatic?? What about Ripley? They built her up without tearing down every man around her. Sure, some of the dudes were a bit goofy, or not as brave as she was, but it never felt like she was a Mary Sue, or like they were forcing it. Even though she was the last man standing, it never felt like it should have been any other way. Also. It was cheesy, and super campy, but I grew up watching Xena and I LOVED it. I liked it better than Hercules! Two shows, basically the same but Xena was the better of the two. Imagine if Xena had been made today... Yuck, they'd have wrecked it. Lawrence acting like these films don't exist is just insane and the pinnacle of hubris.
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"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you're a fool than open it and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain.
"Takes one to know one" - Jennifer Lawrence
This is so correct. I always am working keeping my thoughts to myself
Love that quote
I always thought that was Abraham Lincon
I thought that was Ben Franklin that said that? Oh,well.
The Wizard of Oz was released in 1939. While technically not an action movie in the modern sense, it had a strong female lead, a strong female antagonist, special effects, action sequences, and is still popular to this day as an all time classic.
Omg, it's like gender never fucking mattered in the first place :O
It's all about character. But don't tell JLaw, she'll freak out.
…and then Judy Garland was adopted as a gay icon…
I’ve never got my head around that.
Dorothy Gale in Return to Oz had to face far more frightening opponents to save herself, her allies, and the Land of Oz.
@@shophet125💯
One of the first female murderers on the TV, following her journey to conspire with others to kill again.
Random fun Jennifer Lawrence facts:
• she wrote and did the chorus for Rockwell’s “Somebody’s Watching Me”
• she discovered both AC and DC methods of delivering electricity
• invented the theory of relativity
• stormed the beaches of Normandy pre D Day to scout for the allies
• built the pyramids of Giza single handed (with just one hand and her slaves)
• wrote all the books in the Library of Alexandria
• hung all the flora in the Hanging Gardens of Babylon
got clapped by weinstein for movie roles, you forgot that one
First female actress to release sex tape.
She also invented tungsten steel, the electric lightbulb and steam turbine.
she invented "casting couch" and taught harvey weinstein about it.
I heard that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Lenin, KimYongUn and FidelCastro are all female actually.
They just posed as males to advocate feminism. So stunning and brave!!! 😆👏
Lets thank Jennifer Lawrence for bringing us Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor, Commander Shepard, Queen Cersei Lannister, Leeloo, Valeria, and of course her greatest role ever as the Bride.
GI Jane
@@Pro_Vaxxer damn, she had so many great roles in her career I even forgot about this one. Rumours say she even dared to shave her hair to be in character. So strong and brave.
The Long Kiss Goodnight
Leeloo?
Shepard doesn't count as this character can be both male and female as it comes down to player choice
This reminds me of when Elizabeth Banks said “Spielberg has never directed a female led film” and someone literally shouted out “The Colour Purple.”
It's even more hilarious when you realize that his first theatrical film was "The Sugarland Express".......starring Goldie Hawn
Yeah, but other than that Oscar winning film--
Shari Belafonte was right on for doing that, and should never have apologised to Banks for doing it.
Great soundtrack. Poet/Author Alice Walker said she had misgivings about choosing Spielberg till she heard the song "The Dirty Dozens" and saw the juke joint set.
She took a lot of flack but said, _"If he can do aliens, I'm sure he can do us."_ "King J.B." and "Celie Shaves Mr./Scarification Ceremony" are also top notch from the soundtrack.
I also don't understand this obsession with gender.... like to general audiences, nobody cares about the gender; basically a movie or any story depends on the writing; they are the most crucial to a story and that's where Hollywood downgraded to Tumblr writers that have no clue how to write a story. This is why Hollywood today is shite. Like okay, cool it looks good, but you know.... you don't give 2 shits whether your phone looks slick if it comes broken out of the sealed box.
I’ve already forgotten about Jennifer Lawrence’s performance of Katniss, but I’ll never forget Angelina Jolie’s Lara Croft or Milla Jovovich’s Leeloo.
Milla's Leeloo will live forever. And she got smart enough to raise her girls away from the public eye.
AJ is a trap, it seems like. That is what you get from slipping one past a hippie girlfriend.
Who is this Caithness Aberdeen everybody talks about anyway?
Multi-Pass.
Classic.
She was great as Katniss. She should’ve kept quiet here though.
I watch The Fifth Element any time I have a flight longer than 4 hours. It has become a tradition of mine. 😊
"But boys cannot identify with a female lead" I'm a grown ass man and still to this day, love Princess Leia and have much respect for her character.
I think this comes from the very true statistic about literature. Boys as a group will show greater interest in a book with a male protagonist, while girls have no preference.
That’s the real WTF.
@Umer Irfan I think we all know what mandalorian223 is trying to say when he "identifies" as the female lead.
Long Kiss Goodnight Geena Davis...
And Samus Aran is still one of my favorite video game protagonists to this day.
Without Jennifer Laurence we would not have the amazing WD-40 we use to lubricate so many things in our lives. Her invention, done against all odds, despite her oppression... has changed the world. Stunning and brave.
Lmao 💀 🤣
Add to the list the successful fusion reaction test for clean energy
Its so stupid, i love it
Not to mention fire. And the wheel.
You know how astrophysicists say that the heavy elements are created in supernova explosions? Wrong. Jennifer Lawrence creates them.
I'm so glad that Jennifer Lawrence is finally giving Jennifer Lawrence the credit she so richly deserves.
Let's remember her famous words:
"I was talking aloud to myself. A habit of the old: they choose the wisest person present to speak to."
J.R.R. Lawrence. She is such a great fantasy author! 🙏
J Law did so much for women, we wouldn't have Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel without her
😆😆
I think playing Mystique has her believing she literally played everyone…
Nice one my dude
That would be so true if she actually played as Mystique...
She wasn't even playing it when it really mattered for her to show off. That's just her stunt double then for all the crazy hits and stuff. Meanwhile you got Charlize Theron in "Atomic Blonde" doing her damnedest to do much of that work herself and you can feel it.
Does anyone think that Rebecca Romijn-Stamos was hotter?
@@ericmaddox8516 She was definitely more athletic.
The character of Katniss never seemed to be a self-important, narcissistic idiot. I applaud Jennifer for being able to pull off such a performance!
Katniss is a terrible unlikeable character in the books. Jennifer Lawrence was true to the books. Hunger games...isn't good.
@@emhu2594 Well..most books that were made into movies from that rough timeperiod were..shite..50 Shades of Bad Fanfiction,Twilight,Hunger Games series..
They also when getting to the last book split it into 2 movies, as if we hadnt already suffered enough.
Actually, that is a good point.
Say what you want she is a great actress. She acted like a normal likable human being for a whole trilogy thats impressive.
Geena Davis in The Long Kiss Goodnight was the most badass female lead. Still one of my favorite movies ever. Samuel L. Jackson has also said this was his favorite movie. Thanks for acknowledging that movie
Such a great flick… still try to watch it every year 💥
Kate Beckinsale is a personal favorite among female action-talent. One reason she stands out to me is that she's got a dramatic acting background, hence her characters tend to carry themselves with more substance and grace than most actresses doing action films nowadays.
There were *many* Underworld films. VERY successful
I liked what she did in "Whiteout", though I had issues with the screenplay. The backstory of her character seemed unnecessary.
Selene would never be mentioned today because Beckinsale was absolutely gorgeous then and "sexualized" in her skin-tight outfit.
You notice how the majority of characters in movies and shows are (to put it crudely) mostly 5-7's?
The skin tight outfit didn't hurt either.
@@MAGAMAN To be fair, she'd be gorgeous in a burlap sack
Amazed it took people this long to realize she's full of hot air. She's been told every little thing she does is amazing since she was a teenager. I'm not surprised she's got a warped view of the world.
You have to be warped in the first place to want to become famous
Tbh everyone can have a slip up in an interview and she already admitted her mistake. She meant it well. Some memes of this incident are funny but i also see a lot of bitterness. Like i saw this fan account who got hate and threats just because of that little clip
@@EgonDespeghel she only got roles because she was with Harvey Weinstein
Wow your being nice about what she is full of!
@@dwightmanne he says they did it. She says they didn't. You and I weren't there so we can't know for sure. + good to note that weinstein said that he slept with her and won an academy award after that because he wanted to convince this other actress to give him oral pleasure. So basically they had both reasons to lie about it.
"Tell everyone you're ignorant without telling everyone you're ignorant."
perhaps also relevant 'keep silent and allow people the benefit of the doubt regarding whether you are a fool or not, or speak and remove all doubt'
I read the first Hunger Games book and it's surprisingly good, though the Katniss in that book has more depth than the version played by Jennifer.
I'll never forget how she refused to lose weight for the role because of ''sexist expectations'' or whatever, but the thing is, book Katniss STARVES. She hunts for a living. The partial premise of the Hunger Games is that most people in the US starve after it became a dystopia and whoever wins the competition gets to live in comfort. Jennifer refusing to appear skinny completely ruins the adaptation.
I also read the books. Katniss also had tanned skin and was small/short. In the film, Jennifer Lawrence was taller/larger than the other women casted (including those who supposedly came from a more prosperous district), let alone Josh Hutchinson, who played Peeta. She was definitely miscast in that role.
@@phoebea there’s been unconfirmed fan speculation that Katniss in the book was meant to be POC because of her appearance, possibly Native American or Latina, which she might have inherited from her dead father. This is obviously just fan theory. Jennifer Lawrence was miscast either way.
It's always an act of folly to compare a book to a movie based on a book. The movie will ALWAYS come off as something "lacking" compared to the book. Why? It's all about psychology. When you read a book you are actively forming your own impression of the story, i.e., your are "personalizing your own "movie" of the story in your mind, whether you are aware of this or not. Movie watching is a much more PASSIVE experience. The story presented is the version and the vision is the product of the mind of someone else, not you and certainly not the author.
If Christian Bale had been given the part, you better believe he would have skinnied down for the role.
@@DM-it1qf why do people on the internet always seem to forget white people tan when in the sun for long periods of time (the way someone hunting for food every day or toiling away in the sun would)? That's why cultures across the world venerated the lightest skin tones their people could have for centuries (even in non-European countries like in Asia, for example). It meant you were rich and powerful enough to not have to work in the fields. Something a poor, white person in an apocalyptic Hellscape would definitely not be able to do. Tan does NOT equate to POC. 🙄😒😑
Remember when she complained about equal pay for female actors? But she didn’t say a word when she got paid *more* the Chris Pratt for Passengers, despite being in *less* of the film…standards so good, she doubled them!
I remember when she said Hurricane Irma Is 'Mother Nature's Rage and Wrath'. Mr Trump was hated by elites, but he was right most of the time.
and its not like crisp rat was a small name in hollywood at that time either.
At least we can be happy that Chris Pratt is surely now getting paid more than little Jenny who hasn't been relevant in years.
She got paid more than he did? She was asleep like half the movie.
Didn't he call for Bryce Dallas Howard getting equal pay to him in the Jurassic World movies when he found she was getting less?
Jennifer Lawrence is the first woman ever! No one has had to suffer, or struggle as much as she has. How terribly lonely it must be for her.
Jennifer Lawrence gave birth to herself!
@@ekscalybur Yep-yep, and she raised, fed and clothed herself... She built her own childhood home... And most impressive of all; when no school would accept her, she educated HERSELF!
I think that really shines through whenever she speaks.
She existed before eve
@@altaafsheik5725 lol
I loved her character catpiss never-cheese....the hungry james franchise was fantastic
Nobody ever gives Pam Grier enough credit for anything. She really was the first female action star, fifty years ago. And we're coming up on the twenty-fifth anniversary of Pam Grier playing one of the strongest female character leads ever, as a middle-aged woman of color, in Jackie Brown. But I guess that never really happened!
Those black exploitation movies are great.
I love Cleopatra Jones.
Not to knock Pam's thunder, because Jackie Brown's great, but Guinness presently credits IRL trick shooter Gail Davis in 1953's Annie Oakley. Hooowever, it can reasonably be argued the first female action star was doing her thing in 1914, Helen Holmes in 'The Hazards of Helen', was doing all the usual action set pieces and stunts, including fights on top of trains and all sorts of shenanigans.
@@eba9121 Blackula will always be a classic
Coffy? Foxy Brown? I guess I imagined these films.
100%
I guess watching all 7 seasons of Buffy was just feaver dream I had. Thanks Jennifer for bringing it to my attention!
"A long kiss goodnight" is a great action movie...Gena Davis and Samuel L Jackson kill it...Hugely underrated
Ah yes, the actual Black Widow film.
One of my favourite action movies of all time!
I love it !
@@harbl99 😆 hadn't thought of it that way but yeah it definitely told basically the same story a thousand times better and 25 years earlier 😆
I haven't watched it in forever, but yeah, probably my favorite movie with Geena Davis. Next to Beetlejuice of course.
Nancy Allen from Robocop (1987) needs greater mentions for her role in that film. Her character helped Murphy rediscover who he was, and from there, his humanity. She was a very capable officer without being a Mary-sue. Her first scene was of her getting knocked aside before getting back up and regaining control over an offender. She worked with Murphy rather than against him by holding her experience over him on his first day. Nancy did a great job of consistently playing Anne Lewis again in Robocop 2, taking no shit and talking straight in every serious situation without acting unpleasant toward anyone
"Hey Sarge, I fucked up" "Naw, he's a serious asshole" love that line...
Yes. And she wasn’t a love interest either! Just a capable partner
Concur, though Allen's character was a support character rather than lead.
Nancy was awesome in that movie Gavin great point.
Isn't the first time she appears in the movie, she's giving an epic beating to some guy in the PD lobby?
I know it’s not a movie but Sarah Michelle gellar as Buffy the vampire slayer is still one of my all time favorites. I probably rewatch that show every few years.
hey man even Kristy Swanson!! Thee OG Buffy!
I'm re-watching the show now, coincidentally. It was my favorite as a freshman in high school. I came (in more ways than one) for the beautiful women, but stayed for the engrossing storytelling.
You _do_ know that the original _Buffy_ was a Movie, right?
For God's sakes, Rutger Hauer was the main villain and Paul Reubens was his sidekick! It's a classic!
yeah its like everyone forgot buffy existed. i know a lot of guys back when buffy was on who loved the show. i personally wasn't into it, i knew about it but it wasn't for me. i just know it was so popular and it starred a woman doing action things.
@@_Jay_Maker_ yes i know it was a movie, your comment structure is kinda strange it starts of condescending and then you embrace how awesome the film is lol. OK then
are people forgettin about Xena? Lucy Lawless was such a badass without losing her femininity, i loved that show.
She owes apologies to all of the female action leads that paved the way for her effortless slide into brief stardom.
she didn't walk the way she just slept her way to the top and she's clearly bitter about it.
Harvey paved her way to the top
@@FP194 ooooofff
Lol she's a joke but give me a break, someone says something dumb about action movie stars and now they should apologize to the action stars before her, do you hear yourself? Grow a pair and stop being a tool.
I think of Ripley from Alien or Lara Croft before I Think of Katniss Everdeen.
Gotta give her props for being a decent actor having never seen a movie before.
She's an actress, not an actor.
@@SamBrickell okay language police
There were no movies before her. She literally invented them.
@@SamBrickell Which reminds me: Has anyone sued Spain, or France, or Italy for their binary-gendered nouns? Just thinking out loud.
I remember when everyone was gushing over how "down to earth" she is; well it turns out that she was the first one to discover a dinosaur fossil in the late 1800s
It was sadly amusing that "J-Law" used her image as an "aw, shucks" country girl to achieve stardom, and then promptly shat all over the Christians & rural Americans which she had pretended to spring from.
Kind of like Stephen King; they use their cultural niche to gain fame and then trash their roots.
She sells sea shells on the sea shore.
Yep I think that bubble burst. I do enjoy her films but to say something that outlandish makes her look incredibly stupid. While the hunger games are decent hardly the best action movies ever not even close. She portrayed the character well but didn't invent the atom or the wheel.
Ya I remember thinking she was a typical quirky blonde that was aight
How many remember when she jumped on the wage gap bandwagon and asked if she would have been paid more as a man?
If she was a man she wouldn’t be the star of The Hunger Games.
The nerve she displays is truly amazing.
Nobody ever seems to mention Dana Scully from X-Files as a great character. She ticks everybox I can think of
Speaking of FBI redheads: Jodie Foster as Clarice Starling in Lambs.
I always wondered if that was the inspiration for Scully.
Except for "action star". You guys are talking about thrillers and detective shows. Come on.
Yea nah that's stretching it a bit too far. Yes a lead character, but not THE lead character...actually I would say Moulder was really the lead - she was more of a side-kick.
Also it's not an 'action' show/movie.
Scully was Moulders sidekick?
Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about: you've maybe seen 2 episodes.
They had EQUAL billing, in every sense. He was the believer, she was the sceptic (that applied scientific reasoning).
She won countless awards for her performances, and when Duchovny left the show for essentially 2 seasons she continued to anchor the show as before.
That other guy has a point this not being an action movie, but Anderson/Scully is still relevant to the discussion of pioneering lead female characters/actresses.
Plus, there were 2 X Files movies.
You both fail.
And it's Mulder not Moulder
Alien(s), Xena, Terminator movies, GI Jane, La Femme Nakita, Long Kiss Goodnight, Tomb Raider movies, Fifth Element, The Serenity movie, Underworld movies, Resident Evil movies. That’s just off the top of my head and barely scratches the surface.
Go to East Asia, where they never had a feminist revolution, and you can easily triple that list.
Jennifer was brilliant as Sigourney Weaver in Alien. Even more impressive is the fact she played the role decades before she was even born
Amazing
That is true talent
Jennifer Lawrence can divide by 0 and taught Chuck Norris karate.
Fun Fact, she also played the alien and the cat.
Even more impressive is how she pulled off Wesley Snipes in Blade.
Am still amazed by her performance in The 14 Amazons, where she plays all the 14 amazons, years before Alien was produced
Nobody had ever been named Jennifer before this… wow. Truly an actress of our time.
Jennifer Lawrence is not a clown, she is the entire circus.
She’s the conductor of the Hot Mess Express- chooooooo choooooooo!!!
And she's the first female clown and circus too. Respect it.
And I'm the tent pole.
Hey hey you owe an apology to circuses everywhere, what they do takes talent.
Clowns are performers, Lawrence is a performer she she is closer to a clown than most.
This is the same woman who went from thanking Harvey Wienstein for producing the movie that got her an Oscar, to saying suddenly that he was a pain in the ass who wouldn't go away.
Apparently she was one of his "favourites" probably while she was underage. I feel sorry for her for that, but the experience seems to have deranged her. She would probably be a much happier, healthier person if she stepped away from Hollywood and spent some time in the real world.
I can't imagine he was that much of a pain; probably barely noticeable unless he was taking dry runs at her.
Women's opinion changes depending on wether it benefits them or not.
Or you could look at at it from another point of view. Harvey seemed to control a lot of the industry, so while he was in charge she thanked him... because yanno she doesnt want to lose work.
probably both were true.
Frankly... Thank you for bringing up "The Long Kiss Goodnight". Very underrated film that more people need to see!
"Nobody had ever put a woman in the lead of an action movie before"... Hunger Games came out in 2012... the same year that the *fourth* Underworld movie and *fifth* Resident Evil movie came out. Y'know, beyond the obvious Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley examples.
Bro what are you talking about? Hunger Games was literally the first movie ever made.
@@salazam 😄💯☺️👍
@@salazam of course she even invented camera bruhh :)
'Long Kiss Goodnight' rocks.
I agree, very underrated indeed.
I wrote a paper in my freshman English class, in 1984. It was about my favorite hero; and I wrote about Sigourney Weaver (my teacher had no idea who she was or how to pronounce her name for that matter). This was 1984...before Aliens. I said she was a hero because not only survived against all odds, but she was the slayer of the 'alien', she was a dragon slayer. She was ahead of her time before she was ahead of her time. Everybody remember her from Aliens, but she was a hero before she was locked and loaded with firepower. The take-away is that the fact that Jennifer L. and others these days claim to be at the vanguard of heroic women. Heroic woman have been around since I was a kid...and I'm closer to being a corpse than a kid.
Great action lead female stars
-Jane Russell " the outlaw "
-Jane Fonda " barbarella "
-Raquel Welch " 100 rifles "
-Monica Vitti " modesty blaise "
-Cornelia Sharp " S+H+E "
-Barbara Bach " the spy who loved me "
-Pam Grier " foxy brown etc "
-Sandahl Bergman " conan the barbarian, she "
-Grace Jones " a view to a kill "
-S-Weaver " alien, aliens alien 4, mm "
-Geena Davis " long kiss goodnight "
-Cynthia rothrock " lady dragon, rage and honor
-Michelle Yeoh - wing chung, tai chi master
-Yukari oshima " Avenging Quartet "
-Christina lindberg " thriller "
-Tanya Roberts " sheena "
-Brigitte Nielsen " red sonja "
-Linda Hamilton " terminators "
-Sharon stone " quick and the dead "
etc
All movies that came out decades before that turd of Hunger Games!
Hey but Jennifer Lawrence is the first female to play a female lead in the 21st century in an action movie named by the name of Jennifer Lawrence.
As someone pointed out she wasn't even the first teenage girl with a bow in an action movie in the 2010's. Hanna?!
Just a quick summary, out of that list:
Jane Fonda, Sigourney Weaver, Geena Davis, & Pam Grier were also the indisputable main protagonists of the respective films.... Direct counter-examples that Jennifer Lawrence is spouting nonsense.
Geena Davis in "Cutthroat Island".
Michelle Yeoh has been doing it for many years. She's been keeping up with Jackie Chan and doing her own stunts.
Sorry but no one can keep up with the legend Jackie Chan.
@@LeoJay plenty of people can keep up with and are even better than Jackie Chan. Get your head out of your behind.
Milla Jovovich in fifth element was mind-blowing. One of my all time favourite performances.
She was great love that film in general its so goofy and fun but serious at the same time.
@@bartsullivan4866 i watched it year ago. Her role is still 10/10. And movie is so unique.
Milla Jovovich ? You're wrong, it was Jennifer Lawrence.
My most favorite movie of hers is "The Messenger" from 1999. There she manages to balance that mix of being evidently unhinged while, accidentally, being an inspiring badass. Also, her slowly breaking down from both within and without in the later part. *chef kiss* performance for me.
Or christ Resident Evil in 2001
i am thankful that Jenn finally opened up the path for female action led flicks. Now we will get to enjoy Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman series and i've heard we will also get Lindsay Wagner's The Bionic Woman in the future. Looking forward to seeing those. They might actually turn to be good.
I would even list Carrie Ann Moss from the Matrix. She was the first character we saw in the movie and she kicked ass. It is easy to forget, but Neo was just a load they carried around for most of the first movie and Trinity was the one who actually did stuff. It was only in the sequels that she got relegated to designated love interest, before straying too far into the other direction with the fourth movie.
Speaking of Kick Ass ...
Trinity: I worked out the first 99 steps of a proof.
Neo: I can see the final answer.
Yea Neo sucked until the last 5 minutes of the final act. Trinity was the strongest, really. Call her "supporting" if you want; the distinction seems arbitrary to me.
yes but she wasnt the star
If you actually watched the movie, you aren't allowed to speam
When I saw Carrie Fisher, Sigourney Weaver, Linda Hamilton, and a lot more of these actresses in those action movies, I saw a super badass character that I love to this day! Not a "strong and independent woman", but badass characters that were feminine, yet they took down the badest of the villains! My God, I love and miss those characters.
even the Bionic woman series had a badass lady in extreme situations, and she did so and shut down sexist male characters in the most classy way.
Or Uma Thurman from Kill Bill.
Xena: Warrior Princess
Carrie Fisher wasn't the lead in Star Wars, though. Mark whathisname, who played Luke Skywalker, was the lead. JLaw is still WRONG & ignorant of film history, but she did say the LEAD role in an action film, not just badass female characters. So let's be accurate in our criticisms.
@DonnaBrooks A) Princess Leia IS a main character though. She is one of the primary point of view characters. She might not be "the" lead but she certainly is "a" lead. There is a reason it's called a Space Opera: it has multiple main characters
And B) people are being accurate in their criticisms. Taking issue with one of the many examples (an issue many wouldn't agree with you on) does not change the fact Lawrence was blatantly and ignorantly wrong.
This does seems to be the trend, just like Jordan Peele stating that studios never handed out a big budget film to a lack director before him (including his own movies) or Sikh Liu claiming to break through ceilings as though Bruce Lee, Brandon Lee, Sonny Chiba or Jackie Chan didn’t exist. Also, I’ve been listening to this dialogue for a couple of days now and a movie that hasn’t mentioned is La Femme Nikita, it’s remake and spin off television show. One of my personal favorites
Apparently the world began when these turds were born, and nothing existed before that. They pioneered all that we see around us.
Leftists love re-writing history so everything they do is legendary and nothing ever happened before.
Speaking of Nikita, remember Alias? That show was cool.
The Shaw Brothers movies were also really good. I watched them on Saturday morning. Jet Lee was also pretty big. Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy were huge. So we're actors cc like James Earl Jones. There are too many to list.
Superb conversation, gentlemen. Superb.
I'm glad to see Disparu becoming a regular guest with this crew. He puts out some great content.
I remember when Jennifer Lawrence walked down the street in trousers, by herself, without a man...people were FREAKING OUT!!! She's so brave.
AND stunning. Don’t forget she’s brave and stunning.
Fun fact: Did you know it used to be illegal in Paris, France for women to wear pants up until 2013?
@@salazam They probably saw Hunger Games and knew they couldn't hold back the tide anymore. J-Law broke those barriers...
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@@salazam Who was in Paris?
The first woman I ever saw that I considered to be a strong action character was Katherine Hepburn in the African Queen, starring alongside Humphrey Bogart. This was a movie I had seen several times with my grandparents. It showed a strong, female character that would never back down, travelling down a dangerous river in Africa, trying to get out onto a lake so she could blow up a Nazi war ship. There a little steamboat that they were planning to use to ram into the war ship with a torpedo, mounted into it. It sank. They believed they had failed, and when the Nazis captured them, she admitted what it was she was trying to do and didn’t care if they shot her dead complete bad ass. Needless to say they did not fail. She was successful. In my opinion the first strong, female action character I’ve ever seen. In addition, she didn’t have to be 10 to be like a guy. She still held our femininity and was still a bad ass.
Was going to mention The African Queen as well. While not exactly an action film, you could also point to the other Hepburn - Audrey - in Charade as a strong lead. Likewise Leslie Caron in Father Goose.
@Russell Wood Thanks for bringing memories of African Queen back. Hepburn's character also started out as a fragile thing. Just as Charlie Allnut did, she grew substantially during the film. Cheers,
Um.wasnt actually nazis they were dealing with, just germans....it was World War I movie after all
I'm pretty sure Hepburn was a communist.
The propaganda gets worse over time, so looking back 50 or 60 years, it's hard to notice. You grew up with it. Your grandparents would probably notice, though.
Disparu's comments impress me more and more each time he appears in the chat. Balanced but incisive and doesn't let anyone get away with anything. Good on you, Disparu!
You could have swapped out JL for like 50 different actresses and got the same movies out of Hunger Games.
Yep, and the movie would still suck. Or at least the first one would since that's all I watched.
@@hitandruncommentor Did you know that movie was just a test run of the future the global elite have in the works for us?
She didn't even fit the character... for someone who had to hunt to eat a decent meal she sure was on the thiccer side. Not that the movie would have been measurably improved with a better casting anyway.
@@Akintich I have nearly a hundred years of SciFi and Fantasy on my shelves and Hunger Games did not do the genre that well although for a young adult audience it probably was good enough.
They probably would be better because she doesn't look like a starving person at all.
I remember when I was watching Michelle Yeoh, and Zhang Ziyi in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon at the theatre and thought to myself "I can't wait until that 10 year old girl living in Kentucky right now makes a movie in 12 years, and makes this movie I am watching right now possible."
Wow, we must have been at the same showing as I had that exact thought. I am so grateful that Jennifer was born and made our wonderful world come into being retroactively.
I remember watching House of Flying Daggers and thinking how great it'll be for Zhang Ziyi to be in this movie thanks to J Law in about a decade. Her talent is so grand not even time and space could hold it.
She looks like a completely different person than she did in those movies. Time hasn't been kind to her.
My favorite female action hero is Kate Beckinsale's character Selene in the Underworld movies. It's sad Hollywood can't make anything as good as those movies anymore.
Lost all respect for Beckinsale when she banged Pete Davison
Since playing Katnip, she's become semi-famous for her wine binges, more than about anything else. It explains a lot, really.
Eh. She’s still hot. Especially having had two kids.
Can I add agent Sinclair from Doomsday! Love her character in that!
@@TheDreamfinder99 That was Rhona Mitra, but her and Kate do look very similar, which is why she got cast to play Sonja, since Selene reminder Viktor of her so much.
It is a little known fact that Jennifer Lawrence's first acting role was in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire where she was seen as Emma Watson's wizard's sleeve.
"Max, you can't kill the actors! Actors aren't animals."
"No? Ever eat with one!?"
-The Producers
It can be fairly argued that the first female action hero swung onto screens over a decade before the first movie with sound. Helen Holmes in The Hazards of Helen (1914), hit some of the classic action set pieces of today, including fights on top of trains. Helen Holmes even did most of, if not all of, her own stunts.
Pearl White in "The Perils of Pauline" was even before her.
thank you omg. ever since lawence said this BS i was wondering who the real first female action star was because the real first deserves credit.
@@CoryTheRaven 100 years before Jennifer, nice!
@@Сайтамен Well, no, nobody was before Jennifer, because time isn't linear... It's more like a ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.
I was going with Louise Brooks in Pandora's Box, looks to kill for and an absolute tiger both on and off screen.
Uma Thurman is one of my favorites. I know it isn't realistic but it's still cool to watch.
Kill Bill #2 is my favorite Tarantino film.
Kill Bill is the best, Uma Thurman was the best.
Same
It doesn't bloody need to be realistic! One of the best creations in the modern Cinema. An absolute masterpiece.
The scene where she goes into the room with all the katanas is still like a perfect example of how to use awe(and an odd piece of music) as a tone in a film and as a note for an actor to say everything without basically saying anything.
(Which is odd in a tarantino film. He loves fast paced dialogue. Yet that scene is so chill.)
Those two movies are amazing.
Kill Bill Vol I and II are legit two of my favorite movies, and Uma Thurman is unquestionably the female lead of a purely action vehicle. No idea what JenJen is going on about.
Sarah Michelle Gellar as Buffy in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It had a great female lead and a lot of well written male characters as well. Xander, Giles, Spike, Angel, etc. The show had its strange spots, but when it was good, it was good.
One might even include all the well written female leads in video games, as well. FemShep had some of the best lines in the series, in my opinion and the fact Bioware made Femshep cannon alongside Maleshep goes to show how much the fans loved the female version of the character.
That one completely slipped my mind. And Buffy and Angle were a real power couple.
@@pandaman1331 i was not a fan of Angel, i found him annoying
@@guyinaplaguemask Well, everyone has their favorites. Though I was still very young at that time and don't really remember it that well.
You mean Kristy Swanson in the 1992 movie?
i used to watch Buffy when I was a young man, that era was decent TV
Dear Drinker, thank you for your RUclips content. I listen to your "after hours" because I am a widow and my husband of 30 years was a true man, and it is relaxing to hear the humor, compassion, intellect, and snark. While I can only answer for myself, I adore true men, and I give the generation of boy's cookies and sandwiches.
Gentlemen, turns out some women respect and honor true men. Keep the faith.
That was a very kind comment and I enjoyed reading this. God Bless, and I quite agree!
Sorry for your loss
Sorry of your loss.
What makes it even funnier is that she’s saying that after being the 2nd Mystique… disregarding and disrespecting Rebecca Romijn
The ONLY actress who has been so far capable of credibly performing that role, which she OWNED: G'Damn Rebecca.
Kate Beckinsale in Underworld. She was the most badass woman on screen for me growing up. Still is to be fair.
JLaw was a one hit wonder with Katniss and acts like she is somehow the greatest movie star ever and deserves more.
Bullshit. She stole the show in some amazing movies ( Silver Linings, American Hustle).
Talking nonsense doesn't make her a bad actress.
It's just about time for her to be more picky about her projects.
@@miskatonic6210 Agreed she was fantastic in those films. She's also incredibly easy on the eye for the masses of hetero men. partly because she's not supermodel hot...but the hot girl most of us would dream of getting, but couldn't for whatever reason. that's part of her allure. IMO. She's a solid actress with an unfortunate side of Narcissism who should ignore agendas but she's been polluted by her peers.
@@miskatonic6210those are absolutely not action heroes (or she-roes, for the SJWs) and sure, she was lauded for those roles, but the sentiment of the comment both by Jen and the above comment is eluding to is FEMALE ACTION CHARACTERS.
@@AYFKMRN the above comment didn't specifically say about female action heroes. The argument she's a decent actress in other movies is ergo a good argument against the statement:she's a one hit wonder. Also insinuating she thinks she deserve more is just a bit vile and bitter tbh
Linda Carter was Wonder Woman in 1975. Lyndsey Wagner was The Bionic Woman in 1976. Those were primetime TV shows broadcast directly into homes.
But not Jen's apparently. Nor was Nick At Night or TV Land from the looks of it.
The chat during this was so much fun. Jennifer Lawrence truly did a lot in her life. 😂 😂 God bless you with excellence, Drinker!
I had a lot of respect and admiration for Jennifer Lawrence and she destroyed IT ALL with that interview. To a point where I absolutely LOATHE her now... great job ^^ But I love Sigourney Weavers reaction to that interview... awesome ^^
I legit forgot this woman existed
She’s a meh actress. Same with Angelina Jolie
She went into hiding after Weinstein was the sacrificial lamb for #MeToo lol
Same. I had to ask in the chat during the stream who she was and why everyone was talking about her. Completely forgot about the hunger games and her. She doesn't look like she did then. Time hasn't been kind to her.
@@chasehedges6775 She is fine as hell though
@@eba9121 and to have 2 kids
I heard she was the first actor AND actress in all of history. Clearly a stunning and brave person.
What is history? Everyone knows the universe was created in 2012 when the Hunger Games came out and Jennifer Lawrence willed it into existence.
The Drama Class comment is spot on. In high school, I was a choir/band nerd and even I didn't like to hang around Drama nerds. They didn't just study drama, they were drama.
Thank you Drinker for finally mentioning Red Sonja, among all the other incredible awesome female heroes, I really wished for some time that at least someone remembered her and she was my idol while I grew up (although I am not a red hair, but still it wasn't her looks that made me love her :D)
I owe my very life to Jennifer Lawrence. Without her inventions of anaesthetic and key hole surgery, I would have died. And all this without ever finishing high school. What a freaking genius this woman is, who has clearly gotten to where she is in life on her ability and not because she's a pretty girl with a large chest.
Her chest isn't that big
@@trevorthornley8835 guess I'll have go and check those photos that were totally hacked, and definitely not leaked for publicity purposes in order to verify.
@@trevorthornley8835 Exactly the point he was making.
@@ANobodyatall what we can all agree on is her chest is bigger than her brain
She's done pretty well for herself, for a victim.
She is a victim just like The Harkles.
Victimhood is a growing industry
"I'm sorry - whaaaat!?" Priceless.
It helps to remember that Jennifer Lawrence dropped out of Middle School, never even started high school! explains a lot.
I've never been an action movie fan, but I did like _La Femme Nikita_ (1990). In addition to being the first action movie starring a woman that I ever saw, it's also the first French movie I ever saw.
Anne Parillaud.
2 tv shows spawned from that movie.
I liked the original movie and the first TV series starring Peta Wilson but never really took to the remake series that was just titled Nikita. There was also a movie remake starring Bridget Fonda called, I think, No Return. It was pretty much a shot for shot remake but lacked the style of the original.
When I was a kid I loved watching the Bionic Woman. This was back in 1976-78, and Lindsay Wagner played the character Jaime Sommers. It was a spin off of the Bionic Man, but I enjoyed it more. Doomsday Is Tomorrow and Fembots were two of my favorite episodes. Great fun to watch and was always rooting for her.
Yes the Bionic Woman was great. They also had a lot of cross over with the six million dollar man.
Add to that Erin Grey as Wilma Deering in Buck Rogers 25th Century (the first season at least) and Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman. Along with Lindsay Wagner, they were the original trio of action heroines at least on TV.
Linda Carter as Wonder Woman.
If we're going back to the 70's, let's not forget Charlie's Angels. It had three female action leads.
Commenting on the Quartering's video about this interview, I mentioned Pam Grier starring in 'Foxy Brown' and 'Coffy'. Thinking back, though, there was also Emma Peel played by the unforgettable Diana Rigg. Sure, the Avengers was a British TV series, but Emma Peel kicked ass. She took on thugs with both her mind and her martial arts skills on a weekly basis and she did it while being feminine. In the US we had two female TV action stars in the 70s. There was Wonder Woman played by Lynda Carter and we had the Bionic Woman played by Lindsay Wagner. Both drew in young male viewers. While it could be argued that Lynda Carter running around in what amounted to a one-piece swimsuit was the motivating factor for Wonder Woman's viewership, I cannot recall an episode of the Bionic Woman in which Lindsay Wagner appeared in anything skimpy and the show still held its place in the ratings for two years.
I loved the Bionic Woman and there was ONE forgettable episode where she was in the middle east protecting a king...she had to belly dance! btw, she has (d) an awesome body...my first crush
@@jameshar9592obviously wasnt forgettable
I hear, before Jennifer Lawrence, electricity was just a myth. No one thought lighting your home in the night was even possible.
Thank you Jennifer Lawrence. Without you we wouldn't even have bread to eat. So stunning and brave...
I would argue that Gone with the Wind with Vivien Leigh counts as an action movie for the 1930s that men and women, boys and girls liked to watch, to the point that it was the highest earning movie and held that record for decades. Something people went back multiple times to watch. O'Hara was tough in tense situations and held her own against all kinds of threats and struggles. Sure, she wasn't going Rambo or kicking ass with punches and kicks, nor was there non-stop fight/action scenes all the way through, but she was a realistic heroine doing what was humanly possible in dangerous and chaotic circumstances sprinkled throughout the film. The action she encountered was thrilling for audiences at the time. And she wasn't some perfect princess that everyone liked. We had men and women watching and enjoying a female lead that was morally grey, snippy, frustratingly stubborn, and makes all sorts of bad decisions she had to pay for. Sure, it's not over the top, shoot-em-up action or something by today's standards, but women could and did lead movies. Immensely popular movies. People just seem to compare today's action movies and then look at the things of the past and overcome the mental hurdle that THAT was what audiences saw as action in their time. Modern audiences just have more leeway with what can be shown in movies (especially with younger audiences) and what general audiences' sensibilities could tolerate.
I like your thought process… and Scarlett did put a slug into the Scavenger’s face at Terra. I still wouldn’t classify the movie as an action movie as much as a Historical Romance with action scenes. The point of her being a strong female lead is absolutely correct, regardless.
Then also _The Thin Man_ would actually be a better example
Not only that but showed a woman owning a Bussines for herself, stil not an action movie but a morally complex female led historical piece.
I was literally about to respond to a comment that mentioned African Queen with Scarlett and then I read this.
True, but I'd put the case for Margaret Lockwood in The Wicked Lady.
As the first single parent to ever exist, I feel her pain.
XD
As the first man to ever exist i can relate
I was the first "latchkey" child in all of recorded history.
She’s like Ayla from Jane Auel’s “Children of Earth” books. She’s a Cro-Magnon chick raised by Neanderthals. She invented the spear thrower, built the first fire with flint, she was the first to domesticate horses, and wolves. There’s more but you get the point; she’s the original Mary Sue. The mother of everything. Now we have Jennifer Lawrence. Lol
Come to think of it, your review of “Clan of the Cave Bear” would be pretty interesting.
That series is still talked about? Ugh, no wonder I don't go on booktube very much anymore.
Pretty sure he does have a review of "Clan of the Cave Bear" in his really old archives
The first book was good... The others, not so much
@@popeyethepirate5473 I tapped out after “Plains of Passage”.
@@brandonscott9747 Thanks, I’ll look for it.
Thanks for the content. Please keep making more.
Actors have a difficult time reconciling how important they are treated vs how unimportant they really are.
Denzel Washington is so refreshing because he has a sense of perspective of an actors role I'm society.
"I'm every woman" Jennifer Lawrence, probably.
"...every woman you'll never need." in my case.
Well, Whitney’s just like Milli Vanilli
Aliens is the holy grail of films... Me and my mates loved that film and absolutely related to Ripley, especially tooling up taking the lift down to face the queen, so epic!
I got a rescue dog from the pound and I named her Ripley. Why? Because she's beautiful, she's a survivor and she's one bad ass bitch!
True story....👍
Yep, and not a sign of virtue-signalling wokeness to be seen, hence we loved it and accepted a female action lead without batting an eye.
It's when they draw attention to it that's the turnoff.
Like a Fukking Boss
There have been strong female characters in cinema, since the silent era. I think of people like Mary Pickford, who were not only stars in front of the camera, but helped shape Hollywood and commanded enormous wealth. Male heroes my have been more abundant, but we always had our female heroes too.
The Perils of Pauline came out in 1914, almost 100 years before The Hunger Games. The actress who played Pauline did many of her own stunts. Now many times she gets rescued by her boyfriend but I've seen a clip of her climbing down a rope by herself, that was hanging down from a hot air balloon over a cliff face. No CGI in those days.
Pearl White was her name.
Hattie McDaniel just thanked viola davis for making her career possible. Tears.
??
Hattie McDaniel was the first black person to win an Oscar and wasn’t allowed to go to the event.
It was for Gone With The Wind.
@@eba9121 she was allowed to go to the event, she just couldn't sit front row with the rest of the main cast.
Thanks for the correction.
Was that after Clark Gable threaten not to go if she couldn’t?
@@eba9121 i'm not sure, but i know they did get along great, here's the ceremony where she gets to have her moment: ruclips.net/video/e7t4pTNZshA/видео.html
This is a never-ending cycle. An interesting experiment: watch the acceptance speeches from Oscars for the past 40-50 years. The majority of Best Actress winners says some variation of: "Finally, there are complex roles for women in films!" This will never stop going on.
Mary Fuller was the VERY first female action lead in the 1910s silent film era. She did REAL action in serial movies where she was the title and lead character.
YES. Geena Davis in the Long Kiss Goodnight was better than the entire Hunger Games.
I've had sandwiches better than the hunger games films.
I hope she has seen and heard all this afterwards. She deserves to see all the "praise" she's garnered after her "famous" role.
Pretty sure the vid was swiftly deleted but you can’t put one past the internet 😂
Michelle Yeoh, Cynthia Rothrock, Meiko Kaji from Lady Snowblood, Pam Grier in loads of Blaxploitation films from the 70s, Uma Thurman in the Kill Bill films, Jeeja Yanin in Chocolate, Anne Parillaud in La Femme Nikita. That's just a few off the top of my head.
So nice to see Jennifer Lawrence invent the first woman, lovely work
Bridgette Fonda who played Nina in "The point of no return" 1992 film was also badass!!
One of the best movies!!!
which was an america adaptation of La Femme Fatale
To mention a tv show: The character of Samantha Carter in stargate SG-1 is an awesome character, and kinda badass.
And in Star Trek Voyager, you have Janeway and 7of9 and B'Lanna Torres, and they all had 1 or more action hero episodes atleast. (So basically they starred in a 45 or 90 minute tv movie).
Did anyone ever really think Katniss was a strong female character? I never saw the movies but from what I remember in the books Katniss was just a girl who basically threw down her life to save her sister. Brave for sure and even moreso desperate, but even in the Hunger Games itself a lot of your odds of survival came down to luck, whether good or bad, and attracting the attention of sponsors. Katniss leading a revolution was a massive group effort from people above her in status and power using her as a propoganda piece. Thats all she was most of the time. The girl who spoke out against the oppressors and had the allies and crowd backing to save her ass from getting assassinated.
The books dont end happy either. For all her work and strength, she loses everyone around her and doesn't even get to enjoy the slightly better world she helped to make. She's pretty much a PTSD-riddled, lonely shell of a young woman by the end. She went through war. She wasn't happy, and she wasn't a winner. She was lucky to have survived, but wishes she didn't. She's a tragic character more than a strong one in my very outdated opinion - haven't read the books in like a decade at this point lol.
Although she’s tragic she’s still very complex and interesting, but yes, moreso tragic and used as adults’ pawn in their game rather than a “strong female” of sorts. She was just a normal and very damaged girl, which is what women characters should be allowed to be-just people, not “strong independent women” but just human beings.
in the first book she volunteered her life to save her sister. she had been feeding her family and was rather competent, which meant that she could leverage what skill she had in order to play the part better than the others in the game. at the end of the game she had been invested in her part and had a moral dilemma of killing her partner that had got her the sympathy from those with means to level the playing field and allow her to succeed. this sort of thing was meant to get those that watched to feel good about being immoral since even she would be immoral to save herself, but she decided to kill herself instead in a manor that didn't have a resolution to the game and show how immoral the people in charge were. so at this point she had done three things in her life that were her own decisions, feeding her family, sacrificing herself for her sister, and a cooperative suicide to ruin the game. in the next 2 books the only other thing she did that was not decided for her was to kill the new leader during the execution of the old leader. that is it, all 4 things she did with her life, and the epilogue was that the world was still as fucked up as if she never made those decisions. all the sacrifices and hardship was for nothing and evil still reined supreme, she just made things sort of better for herself in a very round about way that left her bitter. there was a plan to try and opt out of that world altogether but she never took it and ended up dragging down a bunch of others with her cold feet. she did a bunch of action stuff but it was all show and no real substance.
You do realize that strength isn’t entirely physical right? Yeah, she’s a tragic character but her preserving through all those things proves how strong she is. You straight up refuted your own point with every sentence.
I would like to add, just as one example, to all those from all the shows and movies we know, Britomart, from Edmund Spencer's The Faerie Queene, written in 1590 AD. She's an Arthurian knight who wields as undefeatable enchanted spear, and the hero of book III. She defeats a bunch of knights in combat, meets Merlin, defeats the evil Radigund, rescues a bunch of knights, proves her character and worthiness, and even saves her true love from slavery. Female action hero, in one of the foundational works of English literature, written over four hundred years ago.
Wonderful of you to mention that. Exerpts from the Faerie Queene are lead-ins for every chapter of "the Troubled Blood".
Wow, didn't know...thanks👍.
There has also been female versions of pretty much EVERY major male action movie you can think of. Largely ignored by women as well. :/
@@sigmacademy very true. If you get outside the major motion pictures and get into the B movies, there are plenty. That's where people try things out and make lots of alternate versions of popular stories and genres.
Well, Britomart is a rip-off of Bradamante, a female paladin in Ariosto's "Orlando Furioso", which was published in 1532
Linda Carter as Wonder Woman! in the 80s.....
Me looking at Jennifer Lawrence
"The dumbness is strong with this one!"
“She is without a Glorious Purpose.”
- Tom Hiddleston, probably
Want to bet blondes are putting out a hit on her for reinforcing the dumb blond stereotype?
Such stunning, much brave
WOW!
slay girl
We TRULY live in a clown world.
Only America has gone this insane.
We do indeed 😊
@@crvlad American society has become its own worst enemy
@@crvlad fr it's just America, the whole of America is actually Ohio
We do. And I want out.
I know there are many before it but "Kill Bill" has always been one of my absolute favorite movies. It's subtle in surprising ways, violent to the extreme, and The Bride is an insanely good protagonist. Not only The Bride though, the best villians are the females too. How damn cool was Gogo?! And Vernita? Sweet homemaker who just happens to be a deadly weapon herself. Bill was the big bad guy, and the movie built that up, but the ladies made the film. It's NEVER been about gender, it's been about good writing vs crap writing.
What about Judgement Day?? When I saw Sarah Connor in the asylum, it was badass. It was a huge moment and instantly made want to watch more. Like, how did this sweet little woman from the first film become this terrifying lunatic??
What about Ripley? They built her up without tearing down every man around her. Sure, some of the dudes were a bit goofy, or not as brave as she was, but it never felt like she was a Mary Sue, or like they were forcing it. Even though she was the last man standing, it never felt like it should have been any other way.
Also. It was cheesy, and super campy, but I grew up watching Xena and I LOVED it. I liked it better than Hercules! Two shows, basically the same but Xena was the better of the two. Imagine if Xena had been made today... Yuck, they'd have wrecked it.
Lawrence acting like these films don't exist is just insane and the pinnacle of hubris.
You mentioned all of my favorites 😂