From my experience... that stops after the 3rd or 4th wipe and everyone disbands xD Most random raids that took more than 3 tries disband in my experience, unless its a short one.
@@Kuroganemk2 Then that is a shame. To actually be there when a sprout realizes what he mechanic is all about, is maybe the most enjoyable experience in the game for me. If the sprouts are willing to listen and improve, then the amount of wipes doesn't matter. There was however one time when I did Titan (normal) with a much of random sprouts. The sprout tank did not activate tank stance, and wouldn't listen to/read the chat about it. The fight is nigh impossible without the tank actually tanking Titan's auto attack hits so we wiped like 10+ times... We were pretty much taken as hostages for close to an hour (For a Titan fight that would normally take like 7 minutes or so), and even the other sprouts would be telling the tank what to do (which was ignored either way). So I just did what was the best for everyone else, and voted to abandon the instance.
@@Kuroganemk2 honestly, this kind of stuff happens when there's no discord or if people refuse to get on discord. I've been in pf groups that have a discord for a fight and its typically run until the wheels proverbially come off.
@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 Well I did have long trials that wiped a lot and people stayed. Think the disband thing happened twice to me during daily roulettes, one was e12 normal where healers kept dying right at the end. Think after the 3rd wipe we dispanded. Then there was another one but don't remember anymore, so it doesn't happen that often.
@@Kuroganemk2 depends on group constalation we do this often if there are randoms around that areundergeared special paper tanks and low healing. It is just pointless when the boss instantly eats these 2.
Everyone is like "are Blizzard execs Ascians" and I can't help but think that even if they're villains at least the Ascians can stick with a plan for more than a few months at a time
@@FiendMatadorSlayerOfNoobs Exactly. The Ascians are fighting for something they love and cherish, even though it is long gone. Blizzard is just trying to save face, they do not care. edit: Granted I have been playing FFXIV off and on since Heavensward but still it took me so long to finally leave WoW.
I always have this story in my pocket, The first time I did the first Trial in Shadowbringers. The group I was in just couldn't hit the dps check, we tried for about an hour or two before they all calmly agreed that it wasn't gonna happen. Everyone thanked each other for staying and trying, wished everyone good luck and dropped group. My jaw was on the floor.
In other words people acting like adults. Haven't played WOW since WoTLK and I used to only play it casually back then. Is it really that bad in WOW? Can you give examples? I've had similar experiences in other MMOs like in FFXIV where people act like normal adults. And the rare bad experience I've had in FFXIV are from a few WOW refugees who threw insults which a 12 year old would come up with. Such behaviour is so pathetic and they really should sort out their lives before ruining the experience for everyone.
@@astrojeet WoW introduced a system called Mythic+. After completing a Mythic dungeon, you get a key to run a random dungeon at a higher scaled difficulty, noted by the +number (+1 is the easiest, +15 is the highest level that still gives higher power rewards). Not only do the dungeons get harder, but they are all timed. If you fail to meet the timer, the key drops a difficulty level, and you only get one treasure chest at the end (containing a random piece of loot from the dungeon, scaled to a higher iLevel). If you beat the timer, you will get two treasure chests, maybe three if you beat it by enough time, and the key will upgrade to a higher difficulty. Because the whole thing is timed, there are zero rewards except the loot box at the end (so you don’t pause to check loot, or so someone doesn’t leave if the boss that drops what they want doesn’t drop anything). There is also a time penalty if someone dies. So a wipe basically guarantees that you won’t meet the timer, so you’ll still have a ton of stress and pressure to take on a hard dungeon for very little reward, and the key will deplete so you have to go play a lower level dungeon (that likely doesn’t give rewards you need) just to get back in to the current difficulty. It’s so punishing and just a waste of time that the entire player base just quits as soon as there’s a wipe. And that mindset carried over to every other form of content.
Yeah lol I remember I had the same instance with some people in a duty with some sprouts. We couldn't clear it, so I suggested to them that we disband and I'll open a cross server group finder. They all agreed and I made sure everyone was all repaired geared and we even bought some buff foods too, cleared it well then :) It was such a fun impromptu raid group. I find it so fun that everyone in the group found the cross party group without hassles
Something similar happened to me in that trial the first time. Took about 10 attempts at it then with no anger or shaming anyone we just agreed that it wasn't working and people wished each other luck with the next attempt before disbanding. I had flashbacks to MYSELF in wow raiding. I was a sought after healer. People on my server PAID me to show up for them up to wrath. I had a 3 wipe rule. 3 wipes no progress I'm out. Looking at that me I'm so confused at how angry and toxic I could be. I made people cry on a regular basis. They called me destroyer of wills and I just can not imagine that anymore. I'm so glad I found a home that doesn't encourage that hate and anger.
"Then we waste our time together"... Yup. That's the one for me. I had two wipes in a day where both times the healers died to mechanics (me along with them) and my PTSD from WoW kicked in. I was waiting for chat to go ballistic, especially the two PLD tanks who were going all out still. Not a single thing was said. The eventual wipe happened, everyone got ready for another go, and we cleared it. Cheers and commendations all 'round at the end. ... Never knew I'd tear up watching a Captain Grim video.
that moment where the old WoW face fades in for a moment and its the undead priest character (From his previous videos if i remember). Not to mention he was saying "WoW" Captain grim has been around a long time, I watched his stuff back when I played WoW (left in legion) and its AMAZING seeing how well his style works for FFXIV models.
"Then we waste our time together" *Former Forsaken wow player who lost hope after Sylvanas became mary sue, shedding a single tear. Hope have been restored*
I'm arthritic and heavily medicated to play through the pain. I stumbled into an extreme dungeon and I apologized for not moving fast enough and dying. Literally the waste time together scene played out and we tried until the time ran out and people were cheering my progress learning stuff. I was so touched by the kindness.
1:12 Yep, that's me. I am another WoW refugee. I escaped this sh*tshow in July and I am so thankful I did. My biggest gripe about FFXIV is how in the world I missed this gem amongst games for so long? I guess, I was stuck too deep with WoW to even try any other MMO (sounds familiar, eh? Thank you Asmongold the Sproutbringer for opening my eyes on this game). Not only this game has amazing narrative, interesting gameplay and cool graphics. Final Fantasy games are famous for having one of the best soundtracks in the world. FFXIV was not an exception. I am still shocked that all, I repeat, ALL dungeons and raids have their own soundtrack. And all of them are so well made. My you are yet to hear my biggest excitement about ff14 - you can play all jobs on SINGLE character. Tired of swinging your axe over and over again? One click and you are a healer now. Click, you are Black Mage now, blasting enemy with Fire IV. Click, and you are Monk, smashing enemies with your bare hands. I still have PTSD from alts in WoW... I finished Nier raids in FF: Shadowbringers two days ago. These raids were one of the most awesome experience I ever had in MMO. The mechanics, the teamplay, the refernces to original game, the MUSIC... As I said, I wish I could explore it earlier. Enjoy Final Fantasy as much as I did, this game deserves it!
Dont feel bad for missing this amazing game. I never played WoW or any MMO before FF14 but I am a big FF fan having played 7, 7R, 10, 12, 13 and 15 and what I heard was that 14 was a trash dead game and I just believed it. Last year I was surprised to find out that not only was the game not dead but amazing. So yeah it somehow also missed me, a big FF fan but hey better late than never am I right?
@@pedropereira6888 For what it's worth, it USED to be a trash game. Then they gave Nael van Darnus the OK to Dalamud that shit straight to Hell and rebuilt it from the ground up.
Time to beat dungeon even with a healer who didn't know what he was doing: 20 minutes. Time to help the healer learn how to do it right next time: 30 minutes One great team snapshot: Priceless
"Are the Blizzard Exects Ascians? No wait. That be an insult, cause the Ascian's have a better moral compass than those at Blizzard." W H E E Z E I AM DED AT THIS.
The biggest parallel to the Ascians would be the people who go around to the comment sections for other MMOs, like Final Fantasy, and talk trash about those games in a vain attempt to drive players back to WoW. They hope that by rejoining the player base they can go back to their golden age, but what made the game great back then has been lost and will likely never be restored.
All day every WoW player who has switched to FF14 has been talking about how much the "Then we waste our time together" really gets to them. I was so terrified of having to do dungeons and even raids to advance the story and what a "WTF NOOBS" nightmare it would be... and it has been nothing but a delight. Night and day from WoW.
Before this major influx of new players going blind into content wasn't really a thing, expecially when you played tank you were expected to watch a guide. Still people were pretty chill in dungeon and veterans used to ask in chat if you needed explanations on mechanics only after a couple of wipes. I mean, people want to finish the content as fast as in any other game, but being rude about that don't really make the dungeon shorter. Personally, I'm really glad devs introduced trusts in shadowbringers, so I can go blind and practice a little before going in with actual people. I don't want to waste my time nor theirs, but if it happens it happens
@@furanpyon > going blind into content wasn't really a thing Really? I've always gone blind into new content (a few years playing). I don't do Savages (just haven't found a good group, and my time is so... spotty to even consider inflicting anyone with my presense), but I have never watched a guide when going into a new dungeon, even if Tanking. I would much prefer going in blind, and learning the mechanics, then watching a video and trying to replicate what they're doing. So, no real learning, just mimicking movement. > glad devs introduced trusts in shadowbringers I love the Trust system, but I like solo'ing as much as I can (I'm an antisocial ass). I generally level as much as I can through GC Squad (20-60), and Trusts (71+). Levels 60-70 is where there's a real void for doing solo content. Right now I'm just getting the last of my Jobs to 60, before I inflict my presense on others.
"Then we waste our time together." Truer words were never said, today I finally got my first ever EX clear on Hades after 5 hours of wiping and the group which started it finished it. Wipe after wipe, until in the end we got him!
Yes, that is partially my story. BUt no, the Blizz team aren't ascians. For the sole fact that being Ascians would mean that they'd were committed to a single course of action for a long, long period of time. They'd be consistent.
My big story was during the MSQ ice dungeon, we got to a boss and just wiped and wiped and wiped and we couldn't figure how to avoid that mechanic. No rage, we kept trying and after each wipe everyone discussed in party chat ideas for what we were supposed to be doing, we looked around the fight, tried clicking things and eventually figured out the mechanic of throwing snowballs to interrupt the boss and then took him down and everyone cheered at each other in chat. It is exactly the kind of dungeoneering I've been missing so badly for over a decade
I'm sure this is exactly what the devs had in mind too, getting teams to *work together* and figure things out. What's the point of working in a team of you arent going to do any teamwork Also, working for something is always more rewarding the harder that work is
I started XIV over a year ago now, quit WoW during BFA and a close friend convinced me to try XIV, and I ended up watching WoW, a game I loved for so long, progressively spiral downhill. My friend was not lying when he told me how amazing the game is, and community as well. It's like a night and day difference from WoW, and sometimes not even comparable it's so good.
That was me a long while back, coming into the game, not saying much in groups, expecting people to always rage after wipes. Then we wiped, and wiped, and wiped, and everyone was still in the group, having a good time and learning mechanics together. The real lesson isn't to repress your emotions if you start getting impatient and frustrated with others, it is to channel that energy into something more positive and helpful. When I get annoyed with certain people that are making the same mistakes over and over, I try my best to turn that negative energy into figuring out how to help them through the mechanics, and when they finally get it the reward is the sweetest thing. It just makes you feel good, and feeling good is better than feeling bad.
This was the same with me when I first tried Extreme Shiva. I was expecting us to all disband after the third wipe but instead everyone just kept being supportive and after another three or four wipes we finally downed here and everyone was telling each other things like "gg" or "great job everyone!". This made me feel things.
@@Fungus8mycrab I started playing 3 days ago. I played wow for some years ago and I quit because I wasn't having fun and also because of how pressured to perform it made me feel. I pretty much had not played any MMO since. Reading your comment makes feel really hopeful towards FFXIV. Thanks for sharing it!
@@hunogo I hope you do have fun if you do play FFXIV. Just a heads up that the base game can get a bit tedious but it picks up once you reach the first expansion
I never expected ff14 players to be so welcoming, the experience I have as a new player it's amazing, and I like that its welcoming for wow refugees like me, seriously dudes, you ff14 player community are amazing, just absolutely amazing
"Then we waste our time together." Yes. So much yes. Most notable and recent example of this was when I did Diamond Weapon on my new main. I'd done it before, but it had been so long, I'd forgotten the fight. (Also, I don't think I tanked it the first time, so that was a different ball-game altogether.) Had several other new people to the fight, a couple who knew what they were doing. We wiped... *so many times*. I lost track. I *THINK* we actually hit the '30 minutes to finish Cloud Deck' message before we cleared it? Was a good feeling, though, to have the original group stick with it through everything. Another example would be E12, back when I first did that. Had so much damn trouble trying to figure out the combos and positions for everything (I've got them memorized now), and while we *did* eventually Vote Abandon, we were at it for over half an hour, trying to get that clear. (It went much better for me the second day.)
"Then we waste our time together." Yeah, sounds pretty accurate. I've played 14 since 2015 and have experienced this so many times. The 14 community as a whole is a very supportive and nice community. I remember when T9 (Second Coil, Turn 4) was a big gate in ARR and going in with multiple parties to help others learn and clear. Also, when Bismarck and Ravana were new and farmed for weapons, I took friends in and literally spent all night teaching them. Both of those examples had plenty of pugs/random players and no one raged over wipes or rage quit. Most stuck it out, learned and cleared. Thanks, /cheer and /happy were spammed afterwards. I'm surprised WoW is pretty much the opposite. How does content get cleared if people are raging and leaving after one wipe? 🤦♀️
I am not even in HW, but I decided as trial to just purchase the game to show support lol. I buckled down and watched the cutscenes and even paid attention to the side quests. I had this overwhelming fear that I wasn’t going to like it cause I hate leveling…. Only to realize that I was having fun. I was legit sad I couldn’t play when the servers were down. My first 50 was… WEAVING! Even the crafting felt such a breather comparing to WoW. I didn’t even touch HW, but I’m having fun regardless and the community has been very friendly, so that was also a plus! :)
I think you'll enjoy the crafting, as crafting actually yields some pretty ace rewards. Hell, I even like how crafters have their own rotations and commands, as if the craft they're making is a boss they have to beat! :)
After doing some unsynced min ilevel extremes with him, as well as getting him to join our fc, and seeing him enjoy the game as much as he is, it brings a smile to my face. Amazing guy.
yep so true. it took weeks to let it out. expected the groups to be the samething like in wow. wiped the whole group. told them i am new, sorry and i suck. only sprout. 10 wipes later, same group, greatest run ever. i stayed, best community ever!
Dunno if still happening (cuz I stopped to play FFXIV some time ago) but I remember when FFXIV ARR was launched and we the veterans from 1.0 found newcomers the first thing was always: "hey do you need explanation about the bosses?". No drama about newbies on raids or anything everyone was welcome and the legacy players were always eager to help newcomers, that always has been the biggest difference between WoW and FFXIV community I'm glad Captain Grim and many other WoW players finally discovered FFXIV after all these years. Welcome to Eorzea and enjoy your trip :)
This is my story for real, I made the switch after the first tier in BFA and luckily caught the game right as Shadowbringers was coming out, hit 80 a week into it. Haven't looked back since.
I think there is an option you can click that will automatically skip cutscenes you have already seen, so you don't have to keep manually clicking skip
It's a great option, always make sure I turn it off tho when a new dungeon comes out :p like to ingrain it in my brain a bit before I block it out. Wish they had toggleable dungeon cutscenes in the PF for individual dungeons. I really love some of them
I actually had conversations with people in roulettes. It wasn't just everybody grimly pushing through content and saying nothing with a kick or a drop just looming at the hint of a first stiff breeze. Some tanks go fast. Some tanks go slow. Everybody is cool and groovy.
The community of FFXIV being that nice is true. Like it's actually true. Here are some of my own story with the community: I was running Wanderer's Palace Hard Mode as a tank and the whole entire time the healer was having issues with stuff in real life or forgetting skills and stuff, healler was close to just wanting to just end the dungeon by just leaving, instead of leaving her out of it we wanted her to stay and kept trying. I even went as far as to slow down the run a bit just to let her catch up and people were more than willing to help this healer out explaining as we did (being toxic, she shoudl know how to play a healer class, but at the same time, I've played healer and I sucked at it), so we went on to the last boss, we wiped aboutt 3 times, we never once said she was bad, if anything she was struggling with the last boss, either she was messing up with the mechanics and stuff or she was struggling with it. The guy that was explaining it all to her even guiding her through the mechanics was patient with her. We eventually cleared the dungeon, but unfortunately we couldn't add each other, since what ended with that was friendship between the 4 of us that will never be due to the where we were.
I'm not a recent WoW refugee, but I sympathize with the ones whose stories these are. I knew it was the right choice moving over to XIV from WoW "Kung Fu Panda" back during the FFXIV closed beta 2. Kinda split my time between the two games there for a bit, but time proved me right in switching. Came back once for Legion, for a month and noped out of Azeroth for good.
"Don't you *ever* skip those cutscenes!" Heard you loud and clear! Planning on joining FFXIV after having done a bit of an MMORPG keep away (not WoW, but Adventure Quest Worlds, just moved on from it (life called and I heeded) Been intimidated by the sheer mass of people in FFXIV (forever a sprout in social interaction), buuuuut now I'm getting more and more excited to try the wade and then full plunge into Eorzea
I was recently helping people with Seph Ex. Only 2 of us had cleared it before. Some people joined who did not know the mechanics. People had to leave a few times cause they had to get off. No one left because of wipes. So we got new people and had to repeat the process again. Like 3 hours later, not one clear, but everyone was in a good mood and most had to get off and we just went our separate ways.
This is 100% me everyone started to take breaks and try different games and a guildy was like come try FF14 I would love to have all my guild family here to enjoy the game with me and well after 2 and a half months I’m just about to head into shadowbringers I love FF14.
Man...as a FFXIV vet going into WoW and playing my first solo-queue dungeon (as I had previously played with friends but then we stopped playing for a while), and I accidentally pulled wandering mobs because I was dodging an AoE (You know, to stay alive, dodge unnecessary damage, and all that), then it sadly snowballed from there and caused a wipe... And I had been met with multiple slurs and going, "of COURSE it was the mage," and I was just so used to FFXIV dungeon culture that it just kinda...traumatized(?) me. Like, dude, it was an accident. It's not like I was trolling or anything. I had been VERY glad to find out dungeons are completely optional and almost never did dungeons anymore. For context, it was the BFA pirate dungeon for Alliance. Though, one time, I was a night elf DH and was tanking the haunted mansion-ish dungeon and sadly, my computer's broken 5 year old graphics card (mf crypto bros made it impossible for me to be able to get a new one now), I restarted and happened to get back in that same dungeon with the same people and told them that my computer crashed and, if it happened again, to just kick me because it meant that I couldn't do the dungeon. This was the only time that I was actually in a GOOD experience where people were patient and nice. Hilarious how, the one time I had a good experience, my computer wouldn't let me have it. :(
The only reason I’m still playing Wow is mainly the RP with my friends, but I’ve been playing FF like nearly a week and I’m having a blast and the community is very helpful.
It doesn't seem right to compare an Ascian with Blizzard considering the best character in the story is an Ascian. Unless it's Lahabrea or Nabriales specifically.
I would actually say that ARR Ascians are a very good comparison to the Blizz execs - We barely know anything about them, they're behind most of the bad shit in their respective games, exist mainly to be antagonists towards the players and they go away when you shine a bright enough light at them.
The last guy with the dungon can confirm its true. I was playing the trail Titan ultimate and people were having trouble. We wiped five or six times and finally defeted him. To my suprise no one left after a few wipes. Like the guy in the video I was used to people just leaving after a wipe.
The waste time together part gets me. I'm learning to tank. I made sure to tell the team I'm a tank noob and was given encouragement by the others. We started off good and I got overconfident... Pulled a larger mob than I could handle while also breaking the healers Los. We died. I apologized for getting overconfident and said I shouldn't have broke the healers Los. The healer then said no problem and said they should of been there faster. I admire that.. I know that it was my fault yet others were willing to share the blame even though they didn't have to. We went on to clear the dungeon with no more deaths after that.
I left at the end of Burning Crusade and right before Wrath of the Lich King, so when I left I was in high spirits because the game was good and I was just going to get my career started. I will say though, over the years I felt less inclined to return to WoW, and when I got FF14 ARR (so I witnessed its sad, sad early days) the rest was history.
I love watching reactions of this video and what i can say is every people that watch it gets shocked/astonished by the part where the lala skip the cutscene 🤣
I remember trying Extreme Shiva for the first time and me with a party of Rando’s and we spent the full hour wiping and we had fun laughing, and joking the whole time.
I mean i still like wow because ive never been as hardcore in it since legion. But every time i see something fun/funny thats ff related. Its slowly edging me closer to making me want to try itm
I too am a WoW refugee, I picked up FFXIV end of August during the latest raid tier of WoW. It took me less than two weeks of jaw dropped wonder at how this game does so much right that WoW tosses in the bin, to announce I wouldn’t be refreshing my WoW sub, and dropping my main tank and raid leader roles. Endwalker is preordered, I’m here to stay, Eorzea.
My SO and I are huge story and lore nerds have played wow since vanilla, the game was a massive part of our lives and we've endured all the questionable choices the devs made over the years until we both had enough and quit shortly after shadowlands launched. Together we signed up to FFXIV as all the hype for it grew before endwalker, hearing only unbelievably good things from it. She quit after two days. I continued to give it a chance up to the king moogle raid, streaming my male viera's journey for her so we could at least share the game that way but then soft quit both for story and character writing related reasons and mostly until they continue to expand upon the solo trust system due to overwhelming group anxiety. We both resubbed to wow a week ago and as flawed and broken as it is, as awful as the writing has become, we've returned home.
3:55 That was pretty much the point for me that FF14 was better. I picked Warrior cause it fit my style, tough guy who can take hits and dish them out. I remember being scared of failing the group and they'd hate me but not only did I do a good job as a Tank all ARR but they were super nice to me whenever I DID make a mistake.
I've played ff14 since ARR and WoW since Wrath. I jumped back and forth on content draughts. I finally said good bye to WoW permanently early this year. SL is just... I can't. I was happy again. It wasn't until later the shit really hit the fan over at Blizz. I am happy to share this game with my new fellow refugees. Also, I feel called out. Totally using footage of me "correcting" someone for not watching a cutscene. Who said they could use footage of my character.
That skip story rage bit with "check Hildibrand quest line" was too real. The amount of cringey people I see on twitch chats spamming for people to do that quest line and raging when someone skips something related to the story, is just mind boggling. I can understand people wanting their streamers to experience the funny Hildibrand quest line and FFXIV's story, but the way they go about it is just obnoxious and annoying. Reminds me of the type of people that makes you watch their favourite movie and just stares at you the whole time for your reaction to the movie and whenever u look away for just a second, they get mad and say "Are u not enjoying it? the best part is coming up. Why are u not enjoying it?", and you just looked away for a bit because your phone vibrated or your dog wanted to be petted.
@@randalica92 Both Hildibrand and FFXIV's main story is not for everyone that's obvious. I'm okay with people dropping it if it's not for them, but sometimes people don't enjoy it as much because of the amount of people saying "it gets better" "keep watching pls it gets better" "how are you not like the story I love" "go watch hildibrand now it's funny".
I’ve never played WoW but have been researching it lately. All the WoW refugees got me curious. And it’s sad what they had to endure. I joined FF14 about seven months ago and I didn’t even realise WoW was so toxic. I was used to a friendly population from FF11 years ago. I just thought it was common sense. During the Keeper of the Lake boss I was healer (Sch) and we wiped twice before two party members politely explained it to me. We got it third run.
That was my concern too, tbh. Kinda scared me at first, and if you don’t wanna come back that’s fine! But once you get to the end of Heavensward, you’ll have your level 60 rotation on lock and it’ll feel like nothing. But again, if that’s not your thing, don’t let anyone pressure you into it!
That's why you take things slowly. Build your skills by learning them as you level up. Or doing it on training dummy until you have a feeling of it. I promise you... those "30+ skills" will feel like 3 buttons skills.
@@Trashbull Sorry, my hands can only do so much. I hate using modifier keys like shift and control. So no, those 30+ skills will always feel like way too many buttons, because they are. I'm fine with people enjoying it, but I resent people thinking that everyone should be fine with such an excessive amount of abilities.
@@KoldIce7 I'd rather not resort to clicking skills that are part of a core rotation. Long cds? Sure. Utility skills? Eh, rather not. Just recently had tried to get back into the game. As soon as I got Ninja and looked at the skills I would get I just had a mental shutdown and closed the game.
Yo my fellow gunbreaker I would like share my experience on ff xiv, i remember my first dungeon satasha lv 15 when i played as gladiator, and my group was nice enough to teach me to keep aggro (using old skill flash)
Words 4 Wisdom: Some people have reasons for skipping dialog. Mine because I lose track, because my mind gets plagued with unwanted thoughts that makes reading pointless.
I sadly move too but more to swtor first and from time to time I jump to ff since I got lost easy on it @_@ . Still, it hurt how wow has been killed little by little this half decade.
Hey man, the way I see it is leaving Wow go try other stuff is more important than the choice of game you go to. swtor, GW2, FF, doesn't matter. Heck, try other genres too, might open some people's eyes that Blizzard isn't actually the gold standard of the game industry.
@@midnightbloomofeorzea7182 Well, on my eyes blizzard was never the gold standard but was a big part of my years of playing mmo so thats why the bitter feelings for what is it nowdays. But yes to try other games no matter the genre is the important part, speically to enjoy them and not make them a second slavery job like has turned wow nowdays for a lot of people. An now that you mention gw2 i need to try it. Every time i want i forgot later to download it -_-
Never played WoW. I probably would have if I had decent internet and a PC growing up. XIV I started just a couple years ago, before ShB came out. It's sad watching from the distance and seeing WoW players deal with their game fall apart
Augh! It's all so frustrating. I've sunk about 150'ish hours into FF14 by now, but I just can't seem to get into it. There is just nothing out there that will replace my love for WoW. It fucking hurts so bad that my favorite game legit sucks now. Complaining aside though, good react. Funny to watch!
I kinda feel the same way, man. I've tried a few times and FF14 just won't "click" with me. I find myself pining for WoW. It's a bit like wanting to get back together with an abusive ex, though.
Have you gotten into Heavensward and beyond yet? This is where the game really starts to get shine. Shadowbringer is the best, not only in the lorewise, but also the fight and bunch of other stuff.
the ex-orc player, it's partially my story... i think. i left on day 1 of the shadowlands prepatch because of years of built up depression, loneliness, frustrations and crushed efforts... and my breaking point was the recreation of the wrath prepatch, which for me was one of the worst times i've ever played having tried the game out in 2005 and then gotten my own acc in 2007, ON TOP of the fact that i've hated sylvanas ever since i played warcraft 3 and frozen throne. every single time i talk to someone about wow, i end up like him, and while i haven't been able to let all of it out, a little at a time works too. right? got my 14 acc in mid-august, 14 years after getting my wow acc in mid-august 2007. very unintended coicidence, but i'll take it btw, have you guys looked up the achievement for killing sylvanas in that raid encounter? it doesn't say 'slay', 'kill', or 'defeat'... it says 'confront'
I'm ashamed to admit I've skipped every msq cutscene and I'm regretting it. I'm almost done with shb and once I am I'm gonna replay on ng+ before I start endwalker
Not exactly my story but pretty similar. I quit right after the Mists of Pandaria beta as the game felt very directionless after Wrath and the social element of the game was becoming less and less of a thing. Tried out the free trial of FF14 in 2014 and have been playing ever since and couldn't be happier, still love the world of the warcraft franchise and it pains me to see what they have done to it and the lore over time.
I started WoW in WotLK and quit halfway through BFA. When I started playing FFXIV at the beginning of ShB, I was so weirded out by how genuinely nice and helpful everyone was. Now, I could never go back. The quality of life in FFXIV is just exponentially better. All the "changes" Blizz are making now are just too little too late.
"Then we waste our time together."
WoW Vet: "That's the most anime shit I've ever heard."
FFXIV Vet: "And it's beautiful, isn't it?"
New FFXIV Sprout: "....Yeah. Yeah it really is."
I wanna like... but +69
more like FFXIV:"let me guess, your home?"
Wow vet:"it was.....and it was beutifull....."
Yeah. The most heart-felt way of saying, "I need a friend too." :)
"Then we waste our time together"
Damn, if there was anything that perfectly encapsulates what's great about 14's community. T_T
From my experience... that stops after the 3rd or 4th wipe and everyone disbands xD Most random raids that took more than 3 tries disband in my experience, unless its a short one.
@@Kuroganemk2 Then that is a shame. To actually be there when a sprout realizes what he mechanic is all about, is maybe the most enjoyable experience in the game for me. If the sprouts are willing to listen and improve, then the amount of wipes doesn't matter.
There was however one time when I did Titan (normal) with a much of random sprouts. The sprout tank did not activate tank stance, and wouldn't listen to/read the chat about it. The fight is nigh impossible without the tank actually tanking Titan's auto attack hits so we wiped like 10+ times... We were pretty much taken as hostages for close to an hour (For a Titan fight that would normally take like 7 minutes or so), and even the other sprouts would be telling the tank what to do (which was ignored either way). So I just did what was the best for everyone else, and voted to abandon the instance.
@@Kuroganemk2 honestly, this kind of stuff happens when there's no discord or if people refuse to get on discord.
I've been in pf groups that have a discord for a fight and its typically run until the wheels proverbially come off.
@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 Well I did have long trials that wiped a lot and people stayed. Think the disband thing happened twice to me during daily roulettes, one was e12 normal where healers kept dying right at the end. Think after the 3rd wipe we dispanded. Then there was another one but don't remember anymore, so it doesn't happen that often.
@@Kuroganemk2 depends on group constalation we do this often if there are randoms around that areundergeared special paper tanks and low healing. It is just pointless when the boss instantly eats these 2.
Everyone is like "are Blizzard execs Ascians" and I can't help but think that even if they're villains at least the Ascians can stick with a plan for more than a few months at a time
And the Ascians actually believed they were doing what was right.
Blizzard knows what it's doing is deeply unpopular and still keeps doing it.
@@FiendMatadorSlayerOfNoobs Exactly. The Ascians are fighting for something they love and cherish, even though it is long gone. Blizzard is just trying to save face, they do not care.
edit: Granted I have been playing FFXIV off and on since Heavensward but still it took me so long to finally leave WoW.
Nah, Ascians are even worse than Teledji Adaledji. Teledji at least achieved something with his prowess. Blizzard just keeps taking L’s
@@pumpkingamebox I mean the Ascians DID complete six successful rejoinings
@@sleepythemis Oops, I meant to say Blizzard instead of Ascians.
Ascians. At least some of them. I will never forget.
About to get a tatto, lmao.
I always have this story in my pocket, The first time I did the first Trial in Shadowbringers. The group I was in just couldn't hit the dps check, we tried for about an hour or two before they all calmly agreed that it wasn't gonna happen. Everyone thanked each other for staying and trying, wished everyone good luck and dropped group. My jaw was on the floor.
Yeah, sometimes you just realize it's better to disband and try with other people, no drama involved
In other words people acting like adults. Haven't played WOW since WoTLK and I used to only play it casually back then. Is it really that bad in WOW? Can you give examples? I've had similar experiences in other MMOs like in FFXIV where people act like normal adults.
And the rare bad experience I've had in FFXIV are from a few WOW refugees who threw insults which a 12 year old would come up with. Such behaviour is so pathetic and they really should sort out their lives before ruining the experience for everyone.
@@astrojeet WoW introduced a system called Mythic+. After completing a Mythic dungeon, you get a key to run a random dungeon at a higher scaled difficulty, noted by the +number (+1 is the easiest, +15 is the highest level that still gives higher power rewards). Not only do the dungeons get harder, but they are all timed. If you fail to meet the timer, the key drops a difficulty level, and you only get one treasure chest at the end (containing a random piece of loot from the dungeon, scaled to a higher iLevel). If you beat the timer, you will get two treasure chests, maybe three if you beat it by enough time, and the key will upgrade to a higher difficulty. Because the whole thing is timed, there are zero rewards except the loot box at the end (so you don’t pause to check loot, or so someone doesn’t leave if the boss that drops what they want doesn’t drop anything). There is also a time penalty if someone dies. So a wipe basically guarantees that you won’t meet the timer, so you’ll still have a ton of stress and pressure to take on a hard dungeon for very little reward, and the key will deplete so you have to go play a lower level dungeon (that likely doesn’t give rewards you need) just to get back in to the current difficulty. It’s so punishing and just a waste of time that the entire player base just quits as soon as there’s a wipe. And that mindset carried over to every other form of content.
Yeah lol I remember I had the same instance with some people in a duty with some sprouts.
We couldn't clear it, so I suggested to them that we disband and I'll open a cross server group finder.
They all agreed and I made sure everyone was all repaired geared and we even bought some buff foods too, cleared it well then :)
It was such a fun impromptu raid group.
I find it so fun that everyone in the group found the cross party group without hassles
Something similar happened to me in that trial the first time. Took about 10 attempts at it then with no anger or shaming anyone we just agreed that it wasn't working and people wished each other luck with the next attempt before disbanding. I had flashbacks to MYSELF in wow raiding. I was a sought after healer. People on my server PAID me to show up for them up to wrath. I had a 3 wipe rule. 3 wipes no progress I'm out.
Looking at that me I'm so confused at how angry and toxic I could be. I made people cry on a regular basis. They called me destroyer of wills and I just can not imagine that anymore. I'm so glad I found a home that doesn't encourage that hate and anger.
"Then we waste our time together"...
Yup. That's the one for me.
I had two wipes in a day where both times the healers died to mechanics (me along with them) and my PTSD from WoW kicked in. I was waiting for chat to go ballistic, especially the two PLD tanks who were going all out still.
Not a single thing was said. The eventual wipe happened, everyone got ready for another go, and we cleared it. Cheers and commendations all 'round at the end.
... Never knew I'd tear up watching a Captain Grim video.
that moment where the old WoW face fades in for a moment and its the undead priest character (From his previous videos if i remember). Not to mention he was saying "WoW"
Captain grim has been around a long time, I watched his stuff back when I played WoW (left in legion) and its AMAZING seeing how well his style works for FFXIV models.
That part got me as well
I love how the game with actual furrybait races mocks XIV for being a "furry game"
That’s like the pot calling the kettle black, except the kettle is more of a light grey then black.
it's pure irony.
I love how the au'ra at the end remembers to talk shit, like it's the polite thing to do 😂
and you briefly see the ghost of the Forsaken he was
"Then we waste our time together"
*Former Forsaken wow player who lost hope after Sylvanas became mary sue, shedding a single tear. Hope have been restored*
The captain did actually enjoyed playing FFXIV. Last night i found him playing around in Gold Saucer with his lvl 63 Warrior
You gotta get that _mahjong._
@@InchonDM nooo never try mahjong 🤣
@@xelz5975 it’s a very deep rabbit hole I fell in when I decided to actually try and learn the mahjong at gold saucer. It’s a love hate relationship.
@@xelz5975 Yea man.. dont try mahjong.. its a pit. I also have a love hate relationship with it....
I'm arthritic and heavily medicated to play through the pain. I stumbled into an extreme dungeon and I apologized for not moving fast enough and dying. Literally the waste time together scene played out and we tried until the time ran out and people were cheering my progress learning stuff. I was so touched by the kindness.
"Then we waste our time together"
Damn....I felt that one in here....
1:12 Yep, that's me. I am another WoW refugee. I escaped this sh*tshow in July and I am so thankful I did.
My biggest gripe about FFXIV is how in the world I missed this gem amongst games for so long? I guess, I was stuck too deep with WoW to even try any other MMO (sounds familiar, eh? Thank you Asmongold the Sproutbringer for opening my eyes on this game). Not only this game has amazing narrative, interesting gameplay and cool graphics. Final Fantasy games are famous for having one of the best soundtracks in the world. FFXIV was not an exception. I am still shocked that all, I repeat, ALL dungeons and raids have their own soundtrack. And all of them are so well made.
My you are yet to hear my biggest excitement about ff14 - you can play all jobs on SINGLE character. Tired of swinging your axe over and over again? One click and you are a healer now. Click, you are Black Mage now, blasting enemy with Fire IV. Click, and you are Monk, smashing enemies with your bare hands. I still have PTSD from alts in WoW...
I finished Nier raids in FF: Shadowbringers two days ago. These raids were one of the most awesome experience I ever had in MMO. The mechanics, the teamplay, the refernces to original game, the MUSIC... As I said, I wish I could explore it earlier.
Enjoy Final Fantasy as much as I did, this game deserves it!
Dont feel bad for missing this amazing game. I never played WoW or any MMO before FF14 but I am a big FF fan having played 7, 7R, 10, 12, 13 and 15 and what I heard was that 14 was a trash dead game and I just believed it. Last year I was surprised to find out that not only was the game not dead but amazing. So yeah it somehow also missed me, a big FF fan but hey better late than never am I right?
Now you have several weeks of a weekly quest there to actually get it checked off in your ng+(in basically the explore mode version of them)
@@pedropereira6888 For what it's worth, it USED to be a trash game. Then they gave Nael van Darnus the OK to Dalamud that shit straight to Hell and rebuilt it from the ground up.
@@Nehfarius "Damn games shit? Alright crew you know what to do. Blow it up."
- Yoshi-P, probably
I love that the Dwarf is basically a level 80 player helping a new player.
10/10, would say Lali-Ho to.
Time to beat dungeon even with a healer who didn't know what he was doing: 20 minutes.
Time to help the healer learn how to do it right next time: 30 minutes
One great team snapshot: Priceless
"Are the Blizzard Exects Ascians? No wait. That be an insult, cause the Ascian's have a better moral compass than those at Blizzard."
W H E E Z E
I AM DED AT THIS.
The biggest parallel to the Ascians would be the people who go around to the comment sections for other MMOs, like Final Fantasy, and talk trash about those games in a vain attempt to drive players back to WoW. They hope that by rejoining the player base they can go back to their golden age, but what made the game great back then has been lost and will likely never be restored.
There is no proof that Ascians had a Bill Cosby suite. Therefore, true.
"Are the Blizzard execs Ascians?"
Well considering what Nabriales did to Minfilia in the infamous scene XD
Who know, maybe they wanted to be like him? XD
Do you mean the Cosb* Rift?
"I AM GOING TO TIE YOU UP IN THE COSBY DIMENSION"
If we arrived any later, she’d have been turned into a bowl of fruit.
All day every WoW player who has switched to FF14 has been talking about how much the "Then we waste our time together" really gets to them. I was so terrified of having to do dungeons and even raids to advance the story and what a "WTF NOOBS" nightmare it would be... and it has been nothing but a delight. Night and day from WoW.
Before this major influx of new players going blind into content wasn't really a thing, expecially when you played tank you were expected to watch a guide. Still people were pretty chill in dungeon and veterans used to ask in chat if you needed explanations on mechanics only after a couple of wipes. I mean, people want to finish the content as fast as in any other game, but being rude about that don't really make the dungeon shorter. Personally, I'm really glad devs introduced trusts in shadowbringers, so I can go blind and practice a little before going in with actual people. I don't want to waste my time nor theirs, but if it happens it happens
@@furanpyon
> going blind into content wasn't really a thing
Really? I've always gone blind into new content (a few years playing). I don't do Savages (just haven't found a good group, and my time is so... spotty to even consider inflicting anyone with my presense), but I have never watched a guide when going into a new dungeon, even if Tanking.
I would much prefer going in blind, and learning the mechanics, then watching a video and trying to replicate what they're doing. So, no real learning, just mimicking movement.
> glad devs introduced trusts in shadowbringers
I love the Trust system, but I like solo'ing as much as I can (I'm an antisocial ass). I generally level as much as I can through GC Squad (20-60), and Trusts (71+). Levels 60-70 is where there's a real void for doing solo content. Right now I'm just getting the last of my Jobs to 60, before I inflict my presense on others.
"Then we waste our time together" is the sign of good people. nothing is more badass than a person saying "this looks dumb and pointless. im in"
"Then we waste our time together."
Truer words were never said, today I finally got my first ever EX clear on Hades after 5 hours of wiping and the group which started it finished it.
Wipe after wipe, until in the end we got him!
Yes, that is partially my story. BUt no, the Blizz team aren't ascians. For the sole fact that being Ascians would mean that they'd were committed to a single course of action for a long, long period of time. They'd be consistent.
My big story was during the MSQ ice dungeon, we got to a boss and just wiped and wiped and wiped and we couldn't figure how to avoid that mechanic.
No rage, we kept trying and after each wipe everyone discussed in party chat ideas for what we were supposed to be doing, we looked around the fight, tried clicking things and eventually figured out the mechanic of throwing snowballs to interrupt the boss and then took him down and everyone cheered at each other in chat.
It is exactly the kind of dungeoneering I've been missing so badly for over a decade
Great work discovering the mechanic! :)
I'm sure this is exactly what the devs had in mind too, getting teams to *work together* and figure things out. What's the point of working in a team of you arent going to do any teamwork
Also, working for something is always more rewarding the harder that work is
I started XIV over a year ago now, quit WoW during BFA and a close friend convinced me to try XIV, and I ended up watching WoW, a game I loved for so long, progressively spiral downhill.
My friend was not lying when he told me how amazing the game is, and community as well. It's like a night and day difference from WoW, and sometimes not even comparable it's so good.
That was me a long while back, coming into the game, not saying much in groups, expecting people to always rage after wipes. Then we wiped, and wiped, and wiped, and everyone was still in the group, having a good time and learning mechanics together.
The real lesson isn't to repress your emotions if you start getting impatient and frustrated with others, it is to channel that energy into something more positive and helpful. When I get annoyed with certain people that are making the same mistakes over and over, I try my best to turn that negative energy into figuring out how to help them through the mechanics, and when they finally get it the reward is the sweetest thing. It just makes you feel good, and feeling good is better than feeling bad.
This was the same with me when I first tried Extreme Shiva. I was expecting us to all disband after the third wipe but instead everyone just kept being supportive and after another three or four wipes we finally downed here and everyone was telling each other things like "gg" or "great job everyone!". This made me feel things.
@@Fungus8mycrab I started playing 3 days ago. I played wow for some years ago and I quit because I wasn't having fun and also because of how pressured to perform it made me feel. I pretty much had not played any MMO since. Reading your comment makes feel really hopeful towards FFXIV. Thanks for sharing it!
@@hunogo I hope you do have fun if you do play FFXIV. Just a heads up that the base game can get a bit tedious but it picks up once you reach the first expansion
I never expected ff14 players to be so welcoming, the experience I have as a new player it's amazing, and I like that its welcoming for wow refugees like me, seriously dudes, you ff14 player community are amazing, just absolutely amazing
We need everyone we can get for the ques :)
@@lokilxix for real, tho 🤣
"Then we waste our time together."
Yes. So much yes.
Most notable and recent example of this was when I did Diamond Weapon on my new main. I'd done it before, but it had been so long, I'd forgotten the fight. (Also, I don't think I tanked it the first time, so that was a different ball-game altogether.) Had several other new people to the fight, a couple who knew what they were doing.
We wiped... *so many times*. I lost track. I *THINK* we actually hit the '30 minutes to finish Cloud Deck' message before we cleared it? Was a good feeling, though, to have the original group stick with it through everything.
Another example would be E12, back when I first did that. Had so much damn trouble trying to figure out the combos and positions for everything (I've got them memorized now), and while we *did* eventually Vote Abandon, we were at it for over half an hour, trying to get that clear. (It went much better for me the second day.)
I want him to do one where an FFXIV GM grabs the WoW GM by the collar, drags him back to his game, and shows him why all his players are leaving.
Yeah but we all know that FF14 GMs wouldnt do such a thing :D
@@markup6394 They'd simply have an intimate talking session in Mordion Gaol
@@danilkorolev7822 With tea and cookies ;)
Maybe go to Grimm's channel and suggest this to him. I'm sure if he sees your comment he might at least include it as a joke in one of the videos
@@OMartinez91 That would be it XD But ultimately it wasnt even my idea ;)
Even Ascians have a standards XD
"Then we waste our time together."
Yeah, sounds pretty accurate. I've played 14 since 2015 and have experienced this so many times. The 14 community as a whole is a very supportive and nice community.
I remember when T9 (Second Coil, Turn 4) was a big gate in ARR and going in with multiple parties to help others learn and clear.
Also, when Bismarck and Ravana were new and farmed for weapons, I took friends in and literally spent all night teaching them.
Both of those examples had plenty of pugs/random players and no one raged over wipes or rage quit. Most stuck it out, learned and cleared. Thanks, /cheer and /happy were spammed afterwards. I'm surprised WoW is pretty much the opposite. How does content get cleared if people are raging and leaving after one wipe? 🤦♀️
I am not even in HW, but I decided as trial to just purchase the game to show support lol. I buckled down and watched the cutscenes and even paid attention to the side quests. I had this overwhelming fear that I wasn’t going to like it cause I hate leveling…. Only to realize that I was having fun. I was legit sad I couldn’t play when the servers were down. My first 50 was… WEAVING! Even the crafting felt such a breather comparing to WoW. I didn’t even touch HW, but I’m having fun regardless and the community has been very friendly, so that was also a plus! :)
My first 50 was weaving as well lol
I think you'll enjoy the crafting, as crafting actually yields some pretty ace rewards. Hell, I even like how crafters have their own rotations and commands, as if the craft they're making is a boss they have to beat! :)
After doing some unsynced min ilevel extremes with him, as well as getting him to join our fc, and seeing him enjoy the game as much as he is, it brings a smile to my face. Amazing guy.
yep so true. it took weeks to let it out. expected the groups to be the samething like in wow.
wiped the whole group. told them i am new, sorry and i suck.
only sprout.
10 wipes later, same group, greatest run ever. i stayed, best community ever!
without fail, on every world, in every data centre. Theres that frogman who's friendly. Sometimes they're frog women. but they're always there
Dunno if still happening (cuz I stopped to play FFXIV some time ago) but I remember when FFXIV ARR was launched and we the veterans from 1.0 found newcomers the first thing was always: "hey do you need explanation about the bosses?". No drama about newbies on raids or anything everyone was welcome and the legacy players were always eager to help newcomers, that always has been the biggest difference between WoW and FFXIV community I'm glad Captain Grim and many other WoW players finally discovered FFXIV after all these years. Welcome to Eorzea and enjoy your trip :)
This is my story for real, I made the switch after the first tier in BFA and luckily caught the game right as Shadowbringers was coming out, hit 80 a week into it. Haven't looked back since.
Captain Grimm is the literal God of machinimas. Good to see him using his talent to make FFXIV videos. Hope the community rewards his talent.
I immediately thought of you when i saw Grimm's vid in my reccomends XD
To me the only time you are allowed to skip is when you are going through a dungeon you have already done in the leveling roulette.
I think there is an option you can click that will automatically skip cutscenes you have already seen, so you don't have to keep manually clicking skip
@@Nahellion There 100%is that option and I love it.
It's a great option, always make sure I turn it off tho when a new dungeon comes out :p like to ingrain it in my brain a bit before I block it out.
Wish they had toggleable dungeon cutscenes in the PF for individual dungeons. I really love some of them
Truth be told: Never skip a MSQ cutscene. I did it once, my FC made me regret it for a whole week xD
My FC had some new sprouts from wow and the intro was too real
"hide you kids, hide yo wife and hide yo husbands, cause they're graping everyone out here" LUL
I actually had conversations with people in roulettes. It wasn't just everybody grimly pushing through content and saying nothing with a kick or a drop just looming at the hint of a first stiff breeze. Some tanks go fast. Some tanks go slow. Everybody is cool and groovy.
It's so nice right! Literally just talk about life and all the fun stuff we enjoy in the world together as we go through dungeon content
I've had some of the funniest conversations doing runs of Prae for roulette. It may be long but it's almost always entertaining
Praetorium is at its best when it becomes MST3K
The community of FFXIV being that nice is true. Like it's actually true. Here are some of my own story with the community:
I was running Wanderer's Palace Hard Mode as a tank and the whole entire time the healer was having issues with stuff in real life or forgetting skills and stuff, healler was close to just wanting to just end the dungeon by just leaving, instead of leaving her out of it we wanted her to stay and kept trying. I even went as far as to slow down the run a bit just to let her catch up and people were more than willing to help this healer out explaining as we did (being toxic, she shoudl know how to play a healer class, but at the same time, I've played healer and I sucked at it), so we went on to the last boss, we wiped aboutt 3 times, we never once said she was bad, if anything she was struggling with the last boss, either she was messing up with the mechanics and stuff or she was struggling with it. The guy that was explaining it all to her even guiding her through the mechanics was patient with her. We eventually cleared the dungeon, but unfortunately we couldn't add each other, since what ended with that was friendship between the 4 of us that will never be due to the where we were.
I'm not a recent WoW refugee, but I sympathize with the ones whose stories these are. I knew it was the right choice moving over to XIV from WoW "Kung Fu Panda" back during the FFXIV closed beta 2. Kinda split my time between the two games there for a bit, but time proved me right in switching. Came back once for Legion, for a month and noped out of Azeroth for good.
"Don't you *ever* skip those cutscenes!"
Heard you loud and clear!
Planning on joining FFXIV after having done a bit of an MMORPG keep away (not WoW, but Adventure Quest Worlds, just moved on from it (life called and I heeded)
Been intimidated by the sheer mass of people in FFXIV (forever a sprout in social interaction), buuuuut now I'm getting more and more excited to try the wade and then full plunge into Eorzea
Funny how they gave the Acian theme to the Blizzard GM's... it fits so well.
0:49 Hey look it's McConnell
I was recently helping people with Seph Ex. Only 2 of us had cleared it before. Some people joined who did not know the mechanics. People had to leave a few times cause they had to get off. No one left because of wipes. So we got new people and had to repeat the process again. Like 3 hours later, not one clear, but everyone was in a good mood and most had to get off and we just went our separate ways.
The fun part is how real the dungeon part is. And you truly feel it when you do come from wow and compare it to other games all together...!!
He made one mistake with this one. That orc didn't roll a Roegadyn, he rolled a catgirl.
He fantasia'd later into a catgirl ^^
This is 100% me everyone started to take breaks and try different games and a guildy was like come try FF14 I would love to have all my guild family here to enjoy the game with me and well after 2 and a half months I’m just about to head into shadowbringers I love FF14.
Man...as a FFXIV vet going into WoW and playing my first solo-queue dungeon (as I had previously played with friends but then we stopped playing for a while), and I accidentally pulled wandering mobs because I was dodging an AoE (You know, to stay alive, dodge unnecessary damage, and all that), then it sadly snowballed from there and caused a wipe...
And I had been met with multiple slurs and going, "of COURSE it was the mage," and I was just so used to FFXIV dungeon culture that it just kinda...traumatized(?) me. Like, dude, it was an accident. It's not like I was trolling or anything. I had been VERY glad to find out dungeons are completely optional and almost never did dungeons anymore.
For context, it was the BFA pirate dungeon for Alliance.
Though, one time, I was a night elf DH and was tanking the haunted mansion-ish dungeon and sadly, my computer's broken 5 year old graphics card (mf crypto bros made it impossible for me to be able to get a new one now), I restarted and happened to get back in that same dungeon with the same people and told them that my computer crashed and, if it happened again, to just kick me because it meant that I couldn't do the dungeon. This was the only time that I was actually in a GOOD experience where people were patient and nice. Hilarious how, the one time I had a good experience, my computer wouldn't let me have it. :(
The only reason I’m still playing Wow is mainly the RP with my friends, but I’ve been playing FF like nearly a week and I’m having a blast and the community is very helpful.
Homie, it's the same reason I still play WoW. And there's no shame in that.
It doesn't seem right to compare an Ascian with Blizzard considering the best character in the story is an Ascian. Unless it's Lahabrea or Nabriales specifically.
I recommend going back and reading the speech bubble that the sprout skipped. It's very funny!
"Then we waste our time together." Frickin' beautiful line and honestly its true.
First time I experienced that it was such a wonderful feeling.
I would actually say that ARR Ascians are a very good comparison to the Blizz execs - We barely know anything about them, they're behind most of the bad shit in their respective games, exist mainly to be antagonists towards the players and they go away when you shine a bright enough light at them.
The last guy with the dungon can confirm its true. I was playing the trail Titan ultimate and people were having trouble. We wiped five or six times and finally defeted him. To my suprise no one left after a few wipes. Like the guy in the video I was used to people just leaving after a wipe.
The waste time together part gets me.
I'm learning to tank.
I made sure to tell the team I'm a tank noob and was given encouragement by the others.
We started off good and I got overconfident...
Pulled a larger mob than I could handle while also breaking the healers Los. We died.
I apologized for getting overconfident and said I shouldn't have broke the healers Los.
The healer then said no problem and said they should of been there faster.
I admire that.. I know that it was my fault yet others were willing to share the blame even though they didn't have to.
We went on to clear the dungeon with no more deaths after that.
I left at the end of Burning Crusade and right before Wrath of the Lich King, so when I left I was in high spirits because the game was good and I was just going to get my career started. I will say though, over the years I felt less inclined to return to WoW, and when I got FF14 ARR (so I witnessed its sad, sad early days) the rest was history.
Oh, you were uploading it while I was watching the other video. Nice.
Krimson KB actually doing a day one reaction? What madness is this?
I love watching reactions of this video and what i can say is every people that watch it gets shocked/astonished by the part where the lala skip the cutscene 🤣
I remember trying Extreme Shiva for the first time and me with a party of Rando’s and we spent the full hour wiping and we had fun laughing, and joking the whole time.
I mean i still like wow because ive never been as hardcore in it since legion. But every time i see something fun/funny thats ff related. Its slowly edging me closer to making me want to try itm
love how accurate it is to see someone skipping the cutscene krimson being genuinely shock
I too am a WoW refugee, I picked up FFXIV end of August during the latest raid tier of WoW. It took me less than two weeks of jaw dropped wonder at how this game does so much right that WoW tosses in the bin, to announce I wouldn’t be refreshing my WoW sub, and dropping my main tank and raid leader roles. Endwalker is preordered, I’m here to stay, Eorzea.
Hell ya, Fatal Fury 99' theme. :D
Can't wait now for Platinum WoW to do lore videos of FFXIV he has literaly TONS of content he could use
I'll never get this picture out of my head - Blizz gamemasters are Ascians.
Did anyone else notice the Viera at the beginning speaking in a deep male voice? xD
Yes this is my story. I left wow because it's not fun anymore. And have no faith that blizzard will change.
So now I'm a fem roe in ffxiv.
Welcome to Eorzea!
i want more i hope captain grim does more
My SO and I are huge story and lore nerds have played wow since vanilla, the game was a massive part of our lives and we've endured all the questionable choices the devs made over the years until we both had enough and quit shortly after shadowlands launched. Together we signed up to FFXIV as all the hype for it grew before endwalker, hearing only unbelievably good things from it.
She quit after two days.
I continued to give it a chance up to the king moogle raid, streaming my male viera's journey for her so we could at least share the game that way but then soft quit both for story and character writing related reasons and mostly until they continue to expand upon the solo trust system due to overwhelming group anxiety.
We both resubbed to wow a week ago and as flawed and broken as it is, as awful as the writing has become, we've returned home.
3:55 That was pretty much the point for me that FF14 was better. I picked Warrior cause it fit my style, tough guy who can take hits and dish them out.
I remember being scared of failing the group and they'd hate me but not only did I do a good job as a Tank all ARR but they were super nice to me whenever I DID make a mistake.
Playing wow since fury of the sunwell and FF since 2.0
I just want both games to be good :(
I've played ff14 since ARR and WoW since Wrath. I jumped back and forth on content draughts. I finally said good bye to WoW permanently early this year. SL is just... I can't. I was happy again. It wasn't until later the shit really hit the fan over at Blizz. I am happy to share this game with my new fellow refugees.
Also, I feel called out. Totally using footage of me "correcting" someone for not watching a cutscene. Who said they could use footage of my character.
The best part is how accurate it is on both sides
Wow refugee here, I will soon begin my adventure and cant wait :D
"Try again" and "We waste our time together" this hit so hard, in Wow you get kicked at hope for another group who take you with them.
This is just me .... i feel so much better since i start ff14 and gw2 .... this video its soo funny but also soo true ....
Compared Blizzard devs to Ascians.
Thinking back to Nabrialles, that checks out
Nah The Ascians are at least consistent .... unlike Blizz devs
@@Ower8x And they actually has a motivation that can be sympathised.
That skip story rage bit with "check Hildibrand quest line" was too real. The amount of cringey people I see on twitch chats spamming for people to do that quest line and raging when someone skips something related to the story, is just mind boggling.
I can understand people wanting their streamers to experience the funny Hildibrand quest line and FFXIV's story, but the way they go about it is just obnoxious and annoying. Reminds me of the type of people that makes you watch their favourite movie and just stares at you the whole time for your reaction to the movie and whenever u look away for just a second, they get mad and say "Are u not enjoying it? the best part is coming up. Why are u not enjoying it?", and you just looked away for a bit because your phone vibrated or your dog wanted to be petted.
Hildibrand is not everybody's type of humor, while I like it I wouldn't blame others for dropping it.
@@randalica92 Both Hildibrand and FFXIV's main story is not for everyone that's obvious. I'm okay with people dropping it if it's not for them, but sometimes people don't enjoy it as much because of the amount of people saying "it gets better" "keep watching pls it gets better" "how are you not like the story I love" "go watch hildibrand now it's funny".
Yep, that's my story on going from Wow to FF14.
Don’t worry, you won’t waste our times just for wiping. It’s part of the fun!
I’ve never played WoW but have been researching it lately. All the WoW refugees got me curious. And it’s sad what they had to endure.
I joined FF14 about seven months ago and I didn’t even realise WoW was so toxic. I was used to a friendly population from FF11 years ago. I just thought it was common sense.
During the Keeper of the Lake boss I was healer (Sch) and we wiped twice before two party members politely explained it to me. We got it third run.
I gave FFXIV a shot. But I just can't deal with the skill bloat. I am not good enough to cycle through 30+ skills on my bars.
That was my concern too, tbh. Kinda scared me at first, and if you don’t wanna come back that’s fine! But once you get to the end of Heavensward, you’ll have your level 60 rotation on lock and it’ll feel like nothing. But again, if that’s not your thing, don’t let anyone pressure you into it!
That's why you take things slowly. Build your skills by learning them as you level up. Or doing it on training dummy until you have a feeling of it. I promise you... those "30+ skills" will feel like 3 buttons skills.
@@Trashbull Sorry, my hands can only do so much. I hate using modifier keys like shift and control. So no, those 30+ skills will always feel like way too many buttons, because they are. I'm fine with people enjoying it, but I resent people thinking that everyone should be fine with such an excessive amount of abilities.
@@norvelled Theres plenty of people just clicking their skills with their mouse, if you still wanna experience the game
@@KoldIce7 I'd rather not resort to clicking skills that are part of a core rotation. Long cds? Sure. Utility skills? Eh, rather not. Just recently had tried to get back into the game. As soon as I got Ninja and looked at the skills I would get I just had a mental shutdown and closed the game.
"This is my story..." To zanarkand starts playing... But seriously I left WoW 3 years ago and it felt exactly like that.
Yo my fellow gunbreaker
I would like share my experience on ff xiv, i remember my first dungeon satasha lv 15 when i played as gladiator, and my group was nice enough to teach me to keep aggro (using old skill flash)
Words 4 Wisdom: Some people have reasons for skipping dialog. Mine because I lose track, because my mind gets plagued with unwanted thoughts that makes reading pointless.
4 Words of Wisdom: It's just a joke.
I sadly move too but more to swtor first and from time to time I jump to ff since I got lost easy on it @_@ . Still, it hurt how wow has been killed little by little this half decade.
Hey man, the way I see it is leaving Wow go try other stuff is more important than the choice of game you go to. swtor, GW2, FF, doesn't matter. Heck, try other genres too, might open some people's eyes that Blizzard isn't actually the gold standard of the game industry.
@@midnightbloomofeorzea7182 Well, on my eyes blizzard was never the gold standard but was a big part of my years of playing mmo so thats why the bitter feelings for what is it nowdays. But yes to try other games no matter the genre is the important part, speically to enjoy them and not make them a second slavery job like has turned wow nowdays for a lot of people. An now that you mention gw2 i need to try it. Every time i want i forgot later to download it -_-
A shame no one notices that the one who said "That bad huh?" was the Viera/bunny girl XD
Never played WoW. I probably would have if I had decent internet and a PC growing up. XIV I started just a couple years ago, before ShB came out. It's sad watching from the distance and seeing WoW players deal with their game fall apart
This was me back in HW.
Augh! It's all so frustrating. I've sunk about 150'ish hours into FF14 by now, but I just can't seem to get into it. There is just nothing out there that will replace my love for WoW. It fucking hurts so bad that my favorite game legit sucks now.
Complaining aside though, good react. Funny to watch!
I kinda feel the same way, man. I've tried a few times and FF14 just won't "click" with me. I find myself pining for WoW. It's a bit like wanting to get back together with an abusive ex, though.
and that's ok FFxiv isnt gonna be for everyone. At least you gave it a good shot.
You gave it a fair shot! And that's okay!
Have you gotten into Heavensward and beyond yet? This is where the game really starts to get shine. Shadowbringer is the best, not only in the lorewise, but also the fight and bunch of other stuff.
Solid amount of time man, I'm sure you've also tried multiple classes out to see what clicks
Yep. My story as well
the ex-orc player, it's partially my story... i think. i left on day 1 of the shadowlands prepatch because of years of built up depression, loneliness, frustrations and crushed efforts... and my breaking point was the recreation of the wrath prepatch, which for me was one of the worst times i've ever played having tried the game out in 2005 and then gotten my own acc in 2007, ON TOP of the fact that i've hated sylvanas ever since i played warcraft 3 and frozen throne. every single time i talk to someone about wow, i end up like him, and while i haven't been able to let all of it out, a little at a time works too. right? got my 14 acc in mid-august, 14 years after getting my wow acc in mid-august 2007. very unintended coicidence, but i'll take it
btw, have you guys looked up the achievement for killing sylvanas in that raid encounter? it doesn't say 'slay', 'kill', or 'defeat'... it says 'confront'
I'm ashamed to admit I've skipped every msq cutscene and I'm regretting it. I'm almost done with shb and once I am I'm gonna replay on ng+ before I start endwalker
Not exactly my story but pretty similar. I quit right after the Mists of Pandaria beta as the game felt very directionless after Wrath and the social element of the game was becoming less and less of a thing. Tried out the free trial of FF14 in 2014 and have been playing ever since and couldn't be happier, still love the world of the warcraft franchise and it pains me to see what they have done to it and the lore over time.
My cousin's story was basically the same
This was my story back in 2015, Warlords of Draenor was so bad.
I started WoW in WotLK and quit halfway through BFA. When I started playing FFXIV at the beginning of ShB, I was so weirded out by how genuinely nice and helpful everyone was. Now, I could never go back. The quality of life in FFXIV is just exponentially better. All the "changes" Blizz are making now are just too little too late.