@@YIAudta.. there's a simple explanation for that, the Federation outsourced the training. Can't you tell with the low quality of the recent versions of both Star Wars and Star Trek.
@@Zooumberg it was crappy writing but I'll say it was not Lazy. It was an intentional affront to the people who grew up on the original trilogy and the prequels They killed off the Skywalker's and put an impostor in place. The RISE OF PALPATINE WAS TRASH. Finn or Poe Cameron was more deserving of the Skywalker name than a Palpatine. That just sucked. What's next Roscoe gonna kill the dukes and start driving the General Lee and put a rainbow flag on it?
Every time I watch combat on the ground in Trek and get the urge to make a snarky comment as an infantryman, I have to remind myself that they aren't doing too badly, for sailors. XD
Presumably you already know this, but Johnathon Frakes had back issues due to working as a furniture mover prior to acting and often put his foot up on pieces of scenery during long/repeated takes to relieve the strain on his back. Also why the "Riker Maneuver", his unique way to mount a chair, became a thing.
@@jamesphillips2285why would soldiers both walk into a trap and miss on purpose, aside from suppressing fire or a warning shot? Iirc, the reason for the Stormtroopers poor performance against the Ewoks is because their suit’s battle computers refused to recognize them as sophonts and wouldn’t target them.
One thing I love about this episode is that, with data in command, he mimics Picard's body language and manner of speaking. It's a great little touch how much Data pays attention and makes a good command officer.
It could also be chalked up to the favt that Spiner is a massive troll. There's plenty of outtakes and convenient footage of him messing with his fellow TNG cast members.
As cadets they attend Starfleet Academy for Astrophysics and Warp Theory but they're taught shooting at Crazy Uncle Sheev's Storm Trooper Weapon's Training and Shooting Range
There’s a great subtle moment in the episode when Data is in command and Geordi calls him, matter-of-factly, "Commander" instead of "Data" because he is not addressing him as his friend but as his commanding officer.
Yes, because normally that is the only relationship where someone refers to the higher-ranking officer by their first name in everyday interactions. Geordi always says 'Data', even when Data is at least one (sometimes two) ranks higher than Geordi.
@@ZantherStone I'm sure they just fell that way, though. If you give enough rocks enough random throws on enough planets in enough solar systems across enough galaxies, you're bound to come across a few that just so happen to fall like that. ...right?
Its unfortunate though that everyone in Star Fleet forgot that phasers have a huge wide beam stun mode that can knock anyone unconscious in a giant radius without even having to aim.
One thing that always got me about these phaser battles is in one episode they can create caverns out of rock with a single blast and in the next the phasers cant even penetrate a few small rocks.
Starfleet phasers at max setting can even vaporize a human. That dude that was killed was shot 3 times yet his body wasn't vaporized so maybe those weren't as strong. And ofc starfleet officers engage with their phasers in stun mode unless ordered otherwise
@@emisor9272 The small Type I phaser at its max setting of 8 can vaporize a humanoid. The max setting of 16 on both Type II phasers and Type III phaser rifles can decouple several hundred cubic meters of rock in a single blast.
@@emisor9272 a member of the away team was shot and killed and yet they need permission to use their phasers on the kill setting? No wonder the Dominion kicked their asses.
@@Rockhound6165 quite sure if they could land a shot, then a stun shot and a kill shot would be tactically similar. If you don't have to kill, then you don't, simple as that.
Brent Spiner is an amazing actor. Look at Data’s body language as he sits in the big chair - perfectly mimicking the way Picard often sits. It is even more notable later in the episode when Troi sits next to him, and when they are in the conference room and he tents his fingers while chairing the meeting.
Yeah Brent Spiner is a good actor, but if you met him he's sort of a jerk! Patrick Stewart Deserves an Award for being an underrated Great actor, and too bad Levar Burton wasn't able to move up the ladder in his career as an actor. I did like watching "Reading Rainbow as a kid."
@@jamesberwith7061 I met Brent Spiner at a STCON several years ago and he was really nice to me. He has a comedic sense of humor but nothing bad natured. I got to take a picture with him and it was nice.
@@jamesberwith7061 i met him multiple times, and had multiple long chats with him. He’s really sweet. Yes, he says what he thinks, but never rude or insulting.
@@jamesberwith7061 I've seen him a few times, as I used to frequent various events that often had celebrity guests. He's usually been nice, but like anyone, he has bad days and can be a bit sour on those days.
I love how a random team of what are pretty much pirates are just so damned good that an away team from the flagship can't stop them on the ground, and the ship can't stop theirs in orbit.
These were mercenaries so they were very experienced and driven purely by profit. Their ship was also quite a powerful vessel for its size. I brought up how the Federation should've purchased them for use in the Dominion war - they were that good.
Keep in mind this was the same ship and crew under the same Commander Riker that was easily disabled by Ferengi attacking in obsolete birds of prey that subsequently boarded and captured the flagship. Worf missed a 3-meter range phaser shot on one of the boarders. They were lucky these Mercenaries didn't opt for the same course of action. Richard Lynch would have looked good in the Captain's chair.
It would be incredibly presumptive to fire on an unknown ship under the circumstances. This ship leaving the planet could have nothing to do with Riker's abduction for all they know, and until they were fired upon they'd have no reason to assume hostile intent. Frankly it seems that Star Fleet at least discourages, if not outright bans, preemptively firing on an unknown ship. You can imagine the diplomatic disasters that could ensue if they didn't.
Wouldn't it be kinda bad to fire on an unknown ship that most likely holds a *high ranking* hostage? It's not like they can set their ship phasers to stun
You'd think that after a while they'd see these thing coming. One reason I prefer DS-9. By then, they'd solved many (although not all) of these obvious plot holes. UPDATE: On second thought, they actually did have a stun setting on the ship's phasers in the TOS. It was used in the episode: "A Piece of the Action"
Enemy crew runs directly up to Worf’s commanding officer. One of them takes the time to bend down and check his pulse. Worf just stares and doesn’t fire back. Good job Chief Security Officer. Maybe you’re better off on a deep space assignment somewhere.
Worf is amazing. He's always just been written like garbage; he was basically Meg before family guy ever existed. They give him a few shining moments like when he was imprisoned at a Jem'Hadar prison. It's not his fault the script calls for what it does.
@@thebitlot I totally agree. I was visiting the site where they filmed his “I am not a merry man” scene today and I kept thinking about it. He played his part as told to do very well and he made the character good. But it could have been so much better if they wrote him better.
Does she die? I feel like everytime I see a person on the bridge that gets to speak dies, I remember when Wesley was on that console when they were sucked into a void in space that had a face, nagilum, then Wesley was replaced by a black guy, black guy dies, then Wesley is back again lol
So true! It sounds like they had her redub most of her dialogue for the scene after the shoot. It’s difficult not to sound like a robot when you’re essentially doing a reverse lip-sync. The last line she delivers sounds like original audio and she appears way more human. Or maybe she just flipped her emotion chip on for that line.
Idk what it is but there’s just something really therapeutic about watching this show specifically this era of the show is it just me? It just feels like a lovely escape from this crazy world and the news
Not just you. TNG especially the last 5 seasons were great. Everything thru enterprise at least kept true to gene roddenberry's vision. Nothing being made today counts as real trek.
@@troyterry6919 yeah I realize these shows and movies are fake that goes with anything but the memories are real! It’s a nice escape from the real world because I hate what goes on in the real world it’s depressing and very divisive
Worf sure does have an amazing variability level in terms of his competence. I mean, he sure does suck when the script calls for it, but man he's incredible when they need him to be a badass.
Part of the deal Michael Dorn made when they brought Worf over to DS9 was to stop the use of the Worf Effect. Basically, stop using Worf as the punch bag to prove how badass your new enemy is.
I think the absolute low point was in Season 6 episode "Rascals" where the Ferengi easily overpower the flagship in old birds of prey then board the ship and Worf misses a point-blank phaser shot.
@@AbandonedVoid Oh yes, the deadly falling plastic barrels on the Enterprise. Riker was nearly squashed by one too. I love Levar Burton's acting when he moves the extremely heavy barrel after Worf is KO'd.
Dang. Looks like the crew of the Enterprise needs to go to the phaser range a little more often. They couldn't hit the broad side of a Galaxy Class ship!
Loved TNG and watched it all first run. Always marveled at how shooting a dustbuster phaser would play out with accuracy....and also chuckled at how people could duck out of the way of a phaser shot while it was on its way......Course they fixed all that by retconning Phasers in general for the Picard series.
I LOVE all things Trek. That being said, one would think in the 24th century, someone (not even Doctor Noonian Soong) would have made "smart" weapons that could lock on the heat signature and discharge one round to incapacitate the intended target. Everyone is firing like Tommy Guns" from the 1930s.
Star Trek was originally conceived as a Space Western, so not too much of a surprise. Problem is, technology we take for granted did not exist when Star Trek episodes were made, and it is difficult (especially for TV screenwriters, but even for scientists) to predict future technology and how it will be used. As an extreme example, look at Gerry Anderson's infamous puppet series such as Thunderbirds, with big control levers, totally OTT heavy duty machinery, and not a computer in sight. Away teams go to a planet surface and communicate by audio. They get asked what they can see. No one seemed to figure out that it might be possible by the 24th century to send a camera too. Likewise drones did not exist at the time, so the idea of flooding an area with drones reporting AV footage never occurred to anyone.
@@dakrontu They did experiment with a drone, but it could only be hooked into Geordi's visor inputs, and didn't repeat the experiment after it was destroyed.
@@houstonhelicoptertours1006 I do believe that good writing is the key (and foundation) to what makes - in this case - a great show want to strive for excellence. Peace!
There's also the fact that hand phasers apparently can't adjust for a target behind cover? We know that Starfleet hand weapons can adjust their focus to hit a target within a certain field of view... but they can't compensate for some rocks? Also Worf is a lousy shot.
This was how Roddenberry justified not having phaser shootouts in TOS. He specifically wrote phasers as having these capabilities so as to make the kind of combat we see here impractical. But later writers wanted more Star Wars-like scenes. Which is also why big fleet battles became all the rage in later Trek series.
I love it at 1:12. Worf showing why he is so effective as security chief not even pulling security on the poor officer with the tricorder doing the scan.
They didn't do these kinds of shootouts in TOS because it was explicitly stated that a handheld phaser could easily blast the side off of a building. It's become kind of funny that all the series set in the 24th century or later depict phasers and disrupters as working more like Star Wars blasters.
Then again, if you look at the imaginary numbers of SW weapons, their Turbolasers are supposed to pack the power of a tactical nuke. But then, they take several shots to destroy a building...
On max power the phasers are very powerful, even in TNG - they use one to destroy an entire aqueduct in one of the earlier episodes. We can safely assume the setting is on stun or a similar low power
@@JohnnyDoeDoeDoe - In both TOS and VOY, it was shown that Starfleet phasers could do stun as an area effect. Although TOS also showed that the *ship's* phasers could stun a large area from orbit - which would have been *hugely* useful in a number of stories and was thus forgotten by the writers.
@@daniels7907 Due to a throwaway line in a DS9 episode that mentions personal forcefields its become a pet theory that wide area stun cant penetrate personal forcefields and also that theres a bunch of other wearable tech at play that we dont see such as the phasers having a limited smart function that gets thrown off by ECM which is why we see stormtrooper fights and no "sensible" sights on weapons.
Picard is more experienced while Data thinks/reacts/remembers better than an intelligent human like Picard but lacks as many years as a career officer. Data might be qualified to be a ship captain by this point but a post like Captain of Starfleet’s Flagship (that is also quietly a warship) is going to be take a lot more than just qualifications on paper and a handful of emergency command decisions.
Fun FACT.... When Riker puts his foot up on the rock... It's because earlier before filming The guy hekoed a friend move. He wrenched his back moving a couch. Since that day his back gave him troubles. Lifting his leg up like he did on the rock helps ease the discomfort... There Are many scenes where he does this. That's WHY!!
The Riker Maneuver, where Riker always lifts a leg over the back of the chair and then sits down, is also a consequence of his back injury. Once you see it, you never unsee it through the whole show.
When Worf warns her that he target practices at level 14, Guinan says, "I guess I could come down to that level for a while." She then beats his score easily.
@@menacelurkingyet8345 I was thinking of that exact scene. Both Worf and Guinan were hitting moving targets, or at least coming very close in Worfs case, that looked to be no more than 6" in diameter. And yet Worf couldn't hit any part of a human sized target. I guess those attackers were operating at level 15+
I always kinda' wondered how Trek Universe could invent so many neat weapons but completely forget how to make gunsights. Even an iron sight would have been better then pointing a flashlight.
Accurate hand held sci-fi weapons go against the Hollywood Prime Directive and the Vulcan High Council of Logic Institute. Now that we have that sorted, anymore questions?
@@FirstLastOne well it’s all about the grip I know their no recoil however their weapons will never be a thing in a tactical situation u wouldn’t want to put your whole arm out their if anything it looked like they were pointing hard at the tv trying to turn it off after failed attempts lol
Maybe the fact that the phaser beam is acting like tracer fire? But how hard would it be to put a video camera next to the emitter, patch the video to the back of the phaser (or for Geordi, into his visor), so you know where the emitter is pointing? Heck, you could maybe even shoot around a corner that way.
Actually they are accurate and mostly automated. But the writers just wanted to create drama and leave no one that could be interrogated. Yes, it’s annoying. Edited: typo.
Learned a few things here: Starfleet needs to upgrade their transporter to whatever their enemies are using, nobody in Starfleet aims their weapons and I now know where Sondra Huxtable disappeared to after her last appearance on the Cosby show.
@Armathy Whats really funny is the crew look like they are only like 10 to 15 feet away from the enemy. They could have flanked from both sides in under 10 seconds. I do this all the time in video games. Riker does a piss poor job of a flank.
Their enemies were jamming the transporter, they probably either disabled the jamming so they could transport or the jammer was set to not affect their equipment (or the other way around). The rest of it stands though lol.
And it's better than the racist 60s "Friends"-loving "Seinfeld"-hating Allied Nordicist Yankee shitty show that lame WPIX promoted in post-run. And they're responsible for shoving that crap down America's throat. There's a reason UPN stomped The WB in the ratings.
TOS and TOS Movie Phasers: Hold like a pistol. Don't have iron sights, but you have the top of the weapon. TNG/DS9/Voyager Phasers: Hold like a remote control. Aim over your thumb. ... what? Gimmie that 75 year old phaser pistol, thank you very much.
@@FallofAll33 Well that's weird. I just happen to stumble across this video again after a year, having forgotten all about making a comment. And here you are! In any case I am glad you got a chuckle.
Data: Because if you missed that one you may have missed others. I need to determine if you are the problem before I ask you to perform another critical task.
WHY is not important. Having now detected the ship, what are your orders? That's what she's thinking. The ship is his to command, and he'd rather do technical review.
Why don't ships ever provide some fire support from above? Even if jammers are active, ships in the Star Trek universe certainly have good enough optics to just see you directly. They'd be able to visually make out individuals and fire down on their opponents as long as it's not super close-in fighting. It would have been neat to see this capability used just once.
Especially in Voyager, since the Voyager can land it can also just fly close air support. Just have a starship hovering above the battlefield. In Star Trek Online, one of the away team abilities is actually phaser support form orbit, which is a nice touch.
@@Restitutor_Orbis_214 even if the jammers somehow didn't prevent them from beaming down, they couldn't see where they were beaming to or evaluate the situation. They could have been beaming them into a swarm of alien plasma bees or something.
Riker has a pretty good idea about setting up a crossfire then he holsters his weapon? When he gets shot backwards his phaser is in the holster. That is not good tactics.
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In this scene you can quite clearly see that both sides were trained by highly skilled Storm Troopers.
I'm pretty sure that star wars happened in the delta quadrant.. or a galaxy far far away
@@YIAudta.. there's a simple explanation for that, the Federation outsourced the training. Can't you tell with the low quality of the recent versions of both Star Wars and Star Trek.
It doesn't even matter, because the beams don't even affect the rocks or vegetation. Rocks should be blowing up and fires should be everywhere.
No: Stormtroopers occasionally hit something, even if it's by accident. Worf should have to turn in his Klingon card after that crappy performance.
@@Zooumberg it was crappy writing but I'll say it was not Lazy. It was an intentional affront to the people who grew up on the original trilogy and the prequels They killed off the Skywalker's and put an impostor in place. The RISE OF PALPATINE WAS TRASH. Finn or Poe Cameron was more deserving of the Skywalker name than a Palpatine. That just sucked. What's next Roscoe gonna kill the dukes and start driving the General Lee and put a rainbow flag on it?
Every time I watch combat on the ground in Trek and get the urge to make a snarky comment as an infantryman, I have to remind myself that they aren't doing too badly, for sailors. XD
Incoming burn unit
They kinda look like they're trying to get an uncooperative TV to respond to the remote control.
@@hombrearena LOL
Medical team report to this comment immediately: looks like multiple casualties with severe burns.
@@m0osefist - I think they revoke my infantry card if I don't needle the POGs now and then.
I love that the first thing Riker does is search for a suitable rock to put his foot on.
I thought he was looking for a place to sit.
that's nothing, wait until you see the pose when he tries to sit on a rock
Haha thank you sir. A good laugh. 👍
I can't unsee it, that's hilarious
Presumably you already know this, but Johnathon Frakes had back issues due to working as a furniture mover prior to acting and often put his foot up on pieces of scenery during long/repeated takes to relieve the strain on his back. Also why the "Riker Maneuver", his unique way to mount a chair, became a thing.
0:42 These blast points, too accurate for Sandpeople. Only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise.
Nice one
Which isn't saying much knowing what we know about stormtrooper aim!
😂😂😂😅😅😅
@@raterus I heard a theory that in The Empire Strikes Back: they were missing on purpose: because they were walking into a trap.
@@jamesphillips2285why would soldiers both walk into a trap and miss on purpose, aside from suppressing fire or a warning shot?
Iirc, the reason for the Stormtroopers poor performance against the Ewoks is because their suit’s battle computers refused to recognize them as sophonts and wouldn’t target them.
One thing I love about this episode is that, with data in command, he mimics Picard's body language and manner of speaking. It's a great little touch how much Data pays attention and makes a good command officer.
I agree, Brent sooner was an incredible actor to be able to pull it off.
@@alspears7749 Spiner*
@@rasikkom9605 phone auto-correct typo?
It could also be chalked up to the favt that Spiner is a massive troll. There's plenty of outtakes and convenient footage of him messing with his fellow TNG cast members.
Troll or not, Brent Spinner's physical acting is amazing throughout TNG.
As cadets they attend Starfleet Academy for Astrophysics and Warp Theory but they're taught shooting at
Crazy Uncle Sheev's Storm Trooper Weapon's Training and Shooting Range
Alternative Universe Stormtroopers
Uncle Sheev's motto. "Cain't all them walls dodge, now git in that barn and hit one or ya don't graduate!"
...and Tire Shop.
@@ki5aok you beat me to it 😆 i was also going to add “Hair Salon”
Those hand phasers don't even have sights on them . No wonder they can't hit anything
DATA deserved his own series. Brent Spiner makes me laugh. What a talent.
I want an animated Data series
Brent Spiner was a Yankee The WB-loving "Friends"-watching punk.
Did you watch his web series called Fresh Hell? It’s the best
I’m still sad that Data never got to take his kids to Disneyland.
Cant now that they killed him off
"The com system is being jammed."
"What is the source?"
"My wooden acting."
Def somebodys daughter 🤣
It looks like Starfleet has been outsourcing weapon training to the Stormtrooper Academy
Stormtrooper Academy gave Starfleet an amazing discount for training.
Burn! But so true.
As they liked to claim frequently in early-TNG, Starfleet is more exploratory than military. It shows.
They were probably made to practice with the wrong type of barn doors, it's not their fault...
Exactly what I was thinking and was about to post.
With shooting like that, I'm not surprised Worf lost to Guinan in that targeting game.
He wasn't naturally a bad shot. He was just written that way.
A Klingon with an AR and red dot sight would’ve ended many firefights without commercials.
@@killerdoritoWA or maybe wait til they could melee 😁
Before his career in Star Fleet, he was a Storm Trooper in the Galactic Empire. That's where he developed his killer marksmanship.
Put him in a storm trooper uniform
There’s a great subtle moment in the episode when Data is in command and Geordi calls him, matter-of-factly, "Commander" instead of "Data" because he is not addressing him as his friend but as his commanding officer.
Yes, because normally that is the only relationship where someone refers to the higher-ranking officer by their first name in everyday interactions. Geordi always says 'Data', even when Data is at least one (sometimes two) ranks higher than Geordi.
The first thing Riker does is to find a rock, and assertively put his foot on it. True leadership, right there.
Man, sure is lucky for LaForge someone had recently been out in the woods stacking phaser-proof rocks into tidy little walls he could jump behind.
They do look rather intentionally stacked, don’t they
@@ZantherStone I'm sure they just fell that way, though. If you give enough rocks enough random throws on enough planets in enough solar systems across enough galaxies, you're bound to come across a few that just so happen to fall like that.
...right?
Those are clearly disruptors not phasers. Don't you know your Star Trek lore?
Its unfortunate though that everyone in Star Fleet forgot that phasers have a huge wide beam stun mode that can knock anyone unconscious in a giant radius without even having to aim.
O its t.v. or in house .fantasy..
One thing that always got me about these phaser battles is in one episode they can create caverns out of rock with a single blast and in the next the phasers cant even penetrate a few small rocks.
Starfleet phasers at max setting can even vaporize a human. That dude that was killed was shot 3 times yet his body wasn't vaporized so maybe those weren't as strong. And ofc starfleet officers engage with their phasers in stun mode unless ordered otherwise
@@emisor9272 The small Type I phaser at its max setting of 8 can vaporize a humanoid. The max setting of 16 on both Type II phasers and Type III phaser rifles can decouple several hundred cubic meters of rock in a single blast.
@@emisor9272 a member of the away team was shot and killed and yet they need permission to use their phasers on the kill setting? No wonder the Dominion kicked their asses.
One time they started an shuttle I to orbit with the energy of 6 phasers alone.
@@Rockhound6165 quite sure if they could land a shot, then a stun shot and a kill shot would be tactically similar. If you don't have to kill, then you don't, simple as that.
I'll give LaForge alot of credit, for having to act through this series with a small automobile air cleaner wrapped around his eyes.
To his credit he has always had strong roots.
@@justwalkaway9915 lol, good one!
It was a hairclip.
A banana peel that smells like Patrick Stewart's ballstack.
Sir, that is a plastic 80's women's banana hair clip. Lol.
Brent Spiner is an amazing actor. Look at Data’s body language as he sits in the big chair - perfectly mimicking the way Picard often sits. It is even more notable later in the episode when Troi sits next to him, and when they are in the conference room and he tents his fingers while chairing the meeting.
Yeah Brent Spiner is a good actor, but if you met him he's sort of a jerk! Patrick Stewart Deserves an Award for being an underrated Great actor, and too bad Levar Burton wasn't able to move up the ladder in his career as an actor. I did like watching "Reading Rainbow as a kid."
@@jamesberwith7061 He always said that he was more like Lore 😉
@@jamesberwith7061 I met Brent Spiner at a STCON several years ago and he was really nice to me. He has a comedic sense of humor but nothing bad natured. I got to take a picture with him and it was nice.
@@jamesberwith7061 i met him multiple times, and had multiple long chats with him. He’s really sweet. Yes, he says what he thinks, but never rude or insulting.
@@jamesberwith7061 I've seen him a few times, as I used to frequent various events that often had celebrity guests. He's usually been nice, but like anyone, he has bad days and can be a bit sour on those days.
I always laugh when Geordi puts his foot on a rock to match Riker's pose. 😆
yeah. inside joke?
its a nice pose though, takes pressure off the back.
They should all gather to take that stance.
Gotta have a Manuver.
@@jamescollier3 Not sure if it was an inside joke, but Riker had a bad back, hence the "Riker Maneuver" was born.
I love how a random team of what are pretty much pirates are just so damned good that an away team from the flagship can't stop them on the ground, and the ship can't stop theirs in orbit.
I was just thinking the same thing. This is the equivalent of a group of pirates on a yacht attacking and evading a USN carrier group.
These were mercenaries so they were very experienced and driven purely by profit. Their ship was also quite a powerful vessel for its size. I brought up how the Federation should've purchased them for use in the Dominion war - they were that good.
Keep in mind this was the same ship and crew under the same Commander Riker that was easily disabled by Ferengi attacking in obsolete birds of prey that subsequently boarded and captured the flagship. Worf missed a 3-meter range phaser shot on one of the boarders. They were lucky these Mercenaries didn't opt for the same course of action. Richard Lynch would have looked good in the Captain's chair.
The entire crew of "mercs" glowed. All a bunch of feds.
they should hire them as security team, they were able to hold back an entire away team and take the first officer …
They could have disabled the mercenary ship before it fired - but that would destroy the plot 😂
No one asked you, bore off
It would be incredibly presumptive to fire on an unknown ship under the circumstances. This ship leaving the planet could have nothing to do with Riker's abduction for all they know, and until they were fired upon they'd have no reason to assume hostile intent. Frankly it seems that Star Fleet at least discourages, if not outright bans, preemptively firing on an unknown ship. You can imagine the diplomatic disasters that could ensue if they didn't.
Wouldn't it be kinda bad to fire on an unknown ship that most likely holds a *high ranking* hostage?
It's not like they can set their ship phasers to stun
You'd think that after a while they'd see these thing coming. One reason I prefer DS-9. By then, they'd solved many (although not all) of these obvious plot holes.
UPDATE: On second thought, they actually did have a stun setting on the ship's phasers in the TOS. It was used in the episode: "A Piece of the Action"
Could’ve also learned to shoot straight. But the plot must move forward. Happens all the time.
Enemy crew runs directly up to Worf’s commanding officer. One of them takes the time to bend down and check his pulse. Worf just stares and doesn’t fire back. Good job Chief Security Officer. Maybe you’re better off on a deep space assignment somewhere.
Just realized why Worf was kicked out of the Enterprise lol
Ikr? Worf, the vaunted "warrior", sucks at nearly everything he does.
Worf is amazing. He's always just been written like garbage; he was basically Meg before family guy ever existed. They give him a few shining moments like when he was imprisoned at a Jem'Hadar prison.
It's not his fault the script calls for what it does.
@@thebitlot DS9 did him better.
@@thebitlot I totally agree. I was visiting the site where they filmed his “I am not a merry man” scene today and I kept thinking about it. He played his part as told to do very well and he made the character good. But it could have been so much better if they wrote him better.
The girl on Ops sounds more like a robot than Data does. I guess that’s why Data feels like he can give her a thousand instructions per minute.
Thats Bill Cosby's daughter from the Cosby show. She might be drugged.
Data: You don't have a positronic brain ?
Does she die? I feel like everytime I see a person on the bridge that gets to speak dies, I remember when Wesley was on that console when they were sucked into a void in space that had a face, nagilum, then Wesley was replaced by a black guy, black guy dies, then Wesley is back again lol
So true! It sounds like they had her redub most of her dialogue for the scene after the shoot. It’s difficult not to sound like a robot when you’re essentially doing a reverse lip-sync. The last line she delivers sounds like original audio and she appears way more human. Or maybe she just flipped her emotion chip on for that line.
@@glennwatson3313 Yep. That's Sandra Huxtable.
Not sure if intentional, but Frake's stunt double did a good job hiding his face at 2:27.
Idk what it is but there’s just something really therapeutic about watching this show specifically this era of the show is it just me? It just feels like a lovely escape from this crazy world and the news
Not just you. TNG especially the last 5 seasons were great. Everything thru enterprise at least kept true to gene roddenberry's vision. Nothing being made today counts as real trek.
@@troyterry6919 yeah I realize these shows and movies are fake that goes with anything but the memories are real! It’s a nice escape from the real world because I hate what goes on in the real world it’s depressing and very divisive
@@user-ev3lh1uy1m"these shows and movies are fake"
How are they fake?
@@troyterry6919DS9...not so much.
@@Ragitsu scrips and the stuff is make made up make believe fiction
Stormtrooper: "Finally! A crew I can fit in and train with!"
*Joins the Enterprise crew*
@Hec III No one likes to rock old styles. Even if hardhats are very effective
Then he get's killed on this away mission.
@@sonicguyver7445 by the *LITERAL* first shot.
The stormtroopers were elite. They were very good shots. It's just that everyone they were fighting had plot armor.
Worf sure does have an amazing variability level in terms of his competence. I mean, he sure does suck when the script calls for it, but man he's incredible when they need him to be a badass.
Just proves why the Klingon Empire fell. lol He took way too long to come up with an effective strategy and that is supposed to be is specialty.
Part of the deal Michael Dorn made when they brought Worf over to DS9 was to stop the use of the Worf Effect. Basically, stop using Worf as the punch bag to prove how badass your new enemy is.
I think the absolute low point was in Season 6 episode "Rascals" where the Ferengi easily overpower the flagship in old birds of prey then board the ship and Worf misses a point-blank phaser shot.
@@Restitutor_Orbis_214 I think it's in 'Ethics' where he's instantly ko'd with a broken spine by... a plastic barrel.
@@AbandonedVoid Oh yes, the deadly falling plastic barrels on the Enterprise. Riker was nearly squashed by one too. I love Levar Burton's acting when he moves the extremely heavy barrel after Worf is KO'd.
I love when Data puts on his war face
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Comander Riker: "i'm going to make a covert manuver in my bright red uniform."
1:40
Data : Bridge to transporter room 2, can you get a lock on the away team?
TP2 : Negative sir, Chief O’Brien isn’t on duty.
Or is Chief O’Brien at DS9 by then ?
@@menacelurkingyet8345 I think season 1 of DS9 occurs during season 6 of TNG.
I’ve been wrong before though.
This is early Season 7, so O'Brien is at DS9 by then.
>>Data : Bridge to transporter room 2, can you get a lock on the away team?>> "No, sir!" "Then just stun the entire locality!"
Dang. Looks like the crew of the Enterprise needs to go to the phaser range a little more often. They couldn't hit the broad side of a Galaxy Class ship!
The mercenaries were using a plot device. No one can aim accurately against one of those.
They could so hit the broadside of a galaxy class ship - if they were aiming at something else. :P
And they put Worf at tactical!
Worf puts his phaser on overload, throws it, end of episode.
yeah, that's what you could do perfectly on the holo deck. But they rather prefer some "romances" there, a friend told me :)
Riker striking the Captain Morgan pose always makes me laugh.
Frakes had a bad back. The poses Riker are infamous for are Frakes trying to relieve pressure from his back.
That helmsman is played by the actress who played Sondra the eldest daughter on The Cosby Show.
And her wooden acting is the same here as it is there.
All that’s missing in this episode:
DATA sitting in the captain chair’s petting his cat Spot & laughing maniacally like his brother Lore
You win.
He is the best of me, the last of me...
0:42 these blast points... too accurate for Ferengi Traders.
XD
The girl who plays the helm officer played the eldest daughter in The Cosby show.
Loved TNG and watched it all first run. Always marveled at how shooting a dustbuster phaser would play out with accuracy....and also chuckled at how people could duck out of the way of a phaser shot while it was on its way......Course they fixed all that by retconning Phasers in general for the Picard series.
When the script calls for your highly-trained Star Fleet officers to shoot like drunk Frengi.
Double whammy there...
@@RuralTowner I think that's an insult to drunk Ferengi. Quark was better with a pistol than this crack Fedboy away team.
Hilarious, remember when Worf missed a Ferengi at 3 meters distance when they boarded the bridge of the Enterprise?
Except Ferengi proved to be much better shots even when wielding whip like weapons.
@@Rockhound6165 That was just a dream. It never happened.
Ensign Sondra Huxtable: "It's no good, the signal's gone. They just...disappeared."
Crewman Rudy Huxtable: "Way to go, buuuuuud."
I thought she looked familiar! ❤️❤️❤️😍😍😍
She was attractive. Wish she was regular
I heard her voice and went "wait a minute.." glad to see someone else recognized her.
I laughed way too hard at this. Thank you. lol
Cool to get sabrina LaBeouf as an ensign
Riker's like Dammit! I knew I shouldn't have worn my redshirt today!
Some “security officer”. Nice job, Worf LOL 😂
Worf has time and a clear shot at them when they walk up to Rikers body and he just stares. Boy you're fired. Get off my ship.
Worf always wanted to be Picard's #2
Just relocate him to a deep space assignment when you get the chance
He did just hide and watch.
He was still scared from when the Ferengi seized and boarded the Enterprise and he was shot after missing a point-blank phaser shot.
Maybe he need a holiday to reconnect to klingon culture.
I LOVE all things Trek. That being said, one would think in the 24th century, someone (not even Doctor Noonian Soong) would have made "smart" weapons that could lock on the heat signature and discharge one round to incapacitate the intended target. Everyone is firing like Tommy Guns" from the 1930s.
Star Trek was originally conceived as a Space Western, so not too much of a surprise. Problem is, technology we take for granted did not exist when Star Trek episodes were made, and it is difficult (especially for TV screenwriters, but even for scientists) to predict future technology and how it will be used.
As an extreme example, look at Gerry Anderson's infamous puppet series such as Thunderbirds, with big control levers, totally OTT heavy duty machinery, and not a computer in sight.
Away teams go to a planet surface and communicate by audio. They get asked what they can see. No one seemed to figure out that it might be possible by the 24th century to send a camera too. Likewise drones did not exist at the time, so the idea of flooding an area with drones reporting AV footage never occurred to anyone.
@@dakrontu They did experiment with a drone, but it could only be hooked into Geordi's visor inputs, and didn't repeat the experiment after it was destroyed.
Wouldn’t they have counter technology to the heat seeking weapons?
Wouldn't make for good drama otherwise.
@@houstonhelicoptertours1006 I do believe that good writing is the key (and foundation) to what makes - in this case - a great show want to strive for excellence. Peace!
*Riker* : I'm gonna head for those trees over there
*Ensign* : **Nods**
*Riker* : Meet me there - you don't wanna go out like this, do you?
I love how Riker was immediately searching for a suitable boulder for him to put his foot up on
"I'm setting this to level 16, wide field. That should destroy half of this building."
The ship's phasors also have a stun setting for crowd control.
Well, they did on TOS enterprise
emerson macintosh, please stop making sense...it hurts the implausibility of the tv show...😁
But where's the fun?
There's also the fact that hand phasers apparently can't adjust for a target behind cover? We know that Starfleet hand weapons can adjust their focus to hit a target within a certain field of view... but they can't compensate for some rocks? Also Worf is a lousy shot.
This was how Roddenberry justified not having phaser shootouts in TOS. He specifically wrote phasers as having these capabilities so as to make the kind of combat we see here impractical. But later writers wanted more Star Wars-like scenes. Which is also why big fleet battles became all the rage in later Trek series.
1:02 Worf : "I found something"
*Cuts to the guy who is obviously about to die *
Worf: No problem, it's always a good day to die.
This was my favorite show when I was a kid!
Me and my mom watched this to every night!
I love it at 1:12. Worf showing why he is so effective as security chief not even pulling security on the poor officer with the tricorder doing the scan.
What we learned in this episode, Starfleet needs more target practice
more like, Starfleet needs more crosshairs.
A simple red dot sight at least.
They didn't do these kinds of shootouts in TOS because it was explicitly stated that a handheld phaser could easily blast the side off of a building. It's become kind of funny that all the series set in the 24th century or later depict phasers and disrupters as working more like Star Wars blasters.
Then again, if you look at the imaginary numbers of SW weapons, their Turbolasers are supposed to pack the power of a tactical nuke. But then, they take several shots to destroy a building...
On max power the phasers are very powerful, even in TNG - they use one to destroy an entire aqueduct in one of the earlier episodes. We can safely assume the setting is on stun or a similar low power
@@JohnnyDoeDoeDoe - In both TOS and VOY, it was shown that Starfleet phasers could do stun as an area effect. Although TOS also showed that the *ship's* phasers could stun a large area from orbit - which would have been *hugely* useful in a number of stories and was thus forgotten by the writers.
@@daniels7907 That's a good point, the lack of consistency is annoying at times
@@daniels7907 Due to a throwaway line in a DS9 episode that mentions personal forcefields its become a pet theory that wide area stun cant penetrate personal forcefields and also that theres a bunch of other wearable tech at play that we dont see such as the phasers having a limited smart function that gets thrown off by ECM which is why we see stormtrooper fights and no "sensible" sights on weapons.
LOL @2:23 Riker just sauntering along conducting his flanking maneuver.
Love when Riker’s stunt double comes in and he’s twice his size.
I think Starfleet needs to set up an arcade and give everybody a couple rolls of quarters.
Remember Aladdin's Castle?
Dunno, they have the holodeck. Imagine Kirk cut loose? Here's a roll of quarters, shut up, let me enjoy only to be interrupted by Spock.
Data is better than Picard, more efficient. The way he sits in the captains chair is also more impressive.
Picard is more experienced while Data thinks/reacts/remembers better than an intelligent human like Picard but lacks as many years as a career officer. Data might be qualified to be a ship captain by this point but a post like Captain of Starfleet’s Flagship (that is also quietly a warship) is going to be take a lot more than just qualifications on paper and a handful of emergency command decisions.
@@vysharra are you making a serious reaction to a joke comment?😆
Picard is a great diplomat which Data lacks !
Data is the essence of rationality and diplomacy. If some pesky species wants the human touch, Picard could still be employed as Data’s PR attaché.
Bet Spiner imagined himself in that chair many a time. Had to show up Stewart when it was finally the day.
Glad to see Sandra had Starfleet to fall back on when the camping store went under.
Great episode! I especially enjoyed the hairpiece on Frakes' stuntman.
Fun FACT.... When Riker puts his foot up on the rock... It's because earlier before filming The guy hekoed a friend move. He wrenched his back moving a couch. Since that day his back gave him troubles. Lifting his leg up like he did on the rock helps ease the discomfort... There Are many scenes where he does this. That's WHY!!
The Riker Maneuver, where Riker always lifts a leg over the back of the chair and then sits down, is also a consequence of his back injury. Once you see it, you never unsee it through the whole show.
I wonder if it became a thing with the cast since LaForge did it too.
@@grs688 I believe that is the case... and why not? Might as well parody a friend when at work!
@@bruitbane2781 It makes it seem like Riker has a heat rash.
2:00 They should have made Guinan a security officer.
Nah dude.
When Worf warns her that he target practices at level 14, Guinan says, "I guess I could come down to that level for a while." She then beats his score easily.
@@menacelurkingyet8345 I was thinking of that exact scene. Both Worf and Guinan were hitting moving targets, or at least coming very close in Worfs case, that looked to be no more than 6" in diameter. And yet Worf couldn't hit any part of a human sized target. I guess those attackers were operating at level 15+
Nahh she can hit moving target 🎯 yet not likely dodge them as well herself
@@jedcauffield1858 When you hit everything you shoot at your need to dodge is greatly reduced.
"Hey, don't put your knee up, I'm doing that!" 😂
That ensign at the helm is 🔥!
This is one of the best arguments for Data being the best character in TNG! And that show has some pretty damned good characters to choose from.
I always kinda' wondered how Trek Universe could invent so many neat weapons but completely forget how to make gunsights. Even an iron sight would have been better then pointing a flashlight.
Accurate hand held sci-fi weapons go against the Hollywood Prime Directive and the Vulcan High Council of Logic Institute. Now that we have that sorted, anymore questions?
As a shooter I was just about to make your point, then saw your comment ;-)
@@FirstLastOne well it’s all about the grip I know their no recoil however their weapons will never be a thing in a tactical situation u wouldn’t want to put your whole arm out their if anything it looked like they were pointing hard at the tv trying to turn it off after failed attempts lol
Maybe the fact that the phaser beam is acting like tracer fire? But how hard would it be to put a video camera next to the emitter, patch the video to the back of the phaser (or for Geordi, into his visor), so you know where the emitter is pointing? Heck, you could maybe even shoot around a corner that way.
Actually they are accurate and mostly automated. But the writers just wanted to create drama and leave no one that could be interrogated.
Yes, it’s annoying.
Edited: typo.
Among my favorite two parters... Richard Lynch is a delight to watch that gravelly voice that mean looking his eye!
Riker and Geordi's matching man poses.🤣 Worf, you had several seconds to save Riker as they ran up to him. You just stared.
Learned a few things here: Starfleet needs to upgrade their transporter to whatever their enemies are using, nobody in Starfleet aims their weapons and I now know where Sondra Huxtable disappeared to after her last appearance on the Cosby show.
@Armathy Whats really funny is the crew look like they are only like 10 to 15 feet away from the enemy. They could have flanked from both sides in under 10 seconds. I do this all the time in video games. Riker does a piss poor job of a flank.
If you need to aim something that uses a beam to shoot then you're in the wrong line of work.
Their enemies were jamming the transporter, they probably either disabled the jamming so they could transport or the jammer was set to not affect their equipment (or the other way around). The rest of it stands though lol.
Sondra was acting more like a robot than Data.
Gambit, Part I, Season 7 Episode 4
TNG still holds up better than modern TV shows. Ahead of its time
nah modern shows just suck ballz now
You don't know what "ahead of its time" means.
@@Zodroo_Tint pretty sure he/she does.
And it's better than the racist 60s "Friends"-loving "Seinfeld"-hating Allied Nordicist Yankee shitty show that lame WPIX promoted in post-run. And they're responsible for shoving that crap down America's throat. There's a reason UPN stomped The WB in the ratings.
It's quite ahead of our time as well.
Great visuals in the outdoor scene. Perfect exposure.
Every single trained Star Fleet officer, including the warrior, missed 100% of their phaser shots.
Yes, they were very consistent about that weren't they?
Love how foreign planets always look like California.
It is a foreign planet to anybody outside of Commiefornia
@@2605155 Grow up. Leave your dumb politics out of it.
@@lekoman Exactly. It goes to show their mentality, that is, wishing they HAD s**t for brains to begin with.
Lol we are on an alien planet, oh you mean Altadena lol
@@GonzGunner cali is a degenerate den of sin and i pray for global warming to wash them away for the good of the human race
2:23 Riker puts his phaser back in the holster. HOW RIDICULOUS.
With how often they come under fire you would imagine someone would actually properly arm themselves in this universe
Work is never boring with these clips available all day long :)
I knew that Ensign 'driving' Enterprise looked familiar. I never forget a beautiful face. It's Sondra Huxtable from the Cosby Show. Still gorgeous.
Data: Hold my jell-o popsicles.
Hey look there! folks The double Captain Morgan Stand! LMAO🤣
phenomenal aiming with their phasers
Phasers don’t have reticle to aim.
But of course, you could just hold the trigger and move the beam like a flashlight to your target…..
But nah.
Looks like they all trained under the same weapons master that the Empire's storm troopers learned from.
The BATF will only allow them to carry semi-auto weapons.
Yeah, slicing opponents in half. A bit expensive in red-shirts.
TOS and TOS Movie Phasers: Hold like a pistol. Don't have iron sights, but you have the top of the weapon.
TNG/DS9/Voyager Phasers: Hold like a remote control. Aim over your thumb.
... what? Gimmie that 75 year old phaser pistol, thank you very much.
I don't think they were too keen on weapons that looked like guns, so they made them look like TV remotes. Something they were more familiar with.
'Can we beam them up?'
'No'
'Well then, can we beam 100 crew down to their position...?'
'Well, that wasn't in the script...'
It would take a while to get 100 people down there armed as well. They don't always carry phasers on them.
It would take a while to get 100 people down there armed as well. They don't always carry phasers on them.
Where's the non intervention clause when you need it :)
What a great series!
Worf : Commander!!!!!!!
Riker: Take that base out yo voice !!!!!
"What do you make of these?"
"They're rocks, Commander. Simple, fucking rocks."
So, just wanna say to, whoever u are; one year later ur comment gave me the best laugh of the month! Thank u!
@@FallofAll33 Well that's weird. I just happen to stumble across this video again after a year, having forgotten all about making a comment. And here you are! In any case I am glad you got a chuckle.
Hah this comment made my day
"I could make a broach, or a shawl, or a pterodactyl." 😉
Officer: There’s a ship leaving orbit
Data: Why was it not detected earlier?
Officer: Umm I don’t know sir, how about we worry about that later?
LOL
Data: Because if you missed that one you may have missed others. I need to determine if you are the problem before I ask you to perform another critical task.
Though the delivery of her lines was more robotic than Data! 😄
WHY is not important. Having now detected the ship, what are your orders? That's what she's thinking. The ship is his to command, and he'd rather do technical review.
@@withamarshview1436 That's also a 'modern day' move on Data's part. We didn't detect that ship before. Why? Could this be YOUR fault?... *Facepalm*
They're all really good shots! 🤣😂🤣
@1:12 oh man that’s hilarious when the “red shirt” takes that hit out of nowhere
If I were Data, I’d have had the tractor beam ready to snare them as they flew past. They looked close enough for a hook
The most advanced ship in Star Fleet and a rag tag group of pirates in a warp 7 ship gets away from them 😂
So dispassionate and professional … it highlights the true peril! "Take us to warp 9 and pursue"
I’ve always loved TNG. Feels like all of the cast is family.
It was interesting watching this episode and thinking that the oldest Cosby kid, Sondra Huxtable, entered Star Fleet and served on the Enterprise.
Oldest is an understatement, she would have to be about 300 years old.
Why don't ships ever provide some fire support from above? Even if jammers are active, ships in the Star Trek universe certainly have good enough optics to just see you directly. They'd be able to visually make out individuals and fire down on their opponents as long as it's not super close-in fighting. It would have been neat to see this capability used just once.
Especially in Voyager, since the Voyager can land it can also just fly close air support. Just have a starship hovering above the battlefield.
In Star Trek Online, one of the away team abilities is actually phaser support form orbit, which is a nice touch.
@@jacevicki No no no.
In TOS "A Piece of The Action" The Enterprise literally uses the ships phasers to stun an entire block of mobsters.
Or beam down more security personnel?? Ah who am I kidding, that would just make the situation worse.
@@OpenMawProductions I was going to point that out but you beat me to it.
@@Restitutor_Orbis_214 even if the jammers somehow didn't prevent them from beaming down, they couldn't see where they were beaming to or evaluate the situation. They could have been beaming them into a swarm of alien plasma bees or something.
Who was like; this young lady’s acting is perfect! Her line delivery…. Amazing! We HAVE to get her on the show in some high tension situations!!! 😂
😅😅
Weird how I just watched this episode an hour before randomly scrolling youtube and this video shows up
3:27 expression on Data's face is pure Lore
Riker has a pretty good idea about setting up a crossfire then he holsters his weapon? When he gets shot backwards his phaser is in the holster. That is not good tactics.
Damn, Starfleet has been doing some extensive combat training with the Galactic Empire.
That girl sounds more robotic than data.
"Away Team meet in the transporter room and bring a doomed guard as always".
But, to give the writers "credit", he was not wearing a red shirt.
Although maybe they ran out of red shirts at this point...
Rocks in the way? Why not put phasers to full power and disintegrate them? Just have one person do that while the others remain on stun.
There were no Vulcans in that scene. Next question.
I really miss the problem solving aspects of TNG. We don't see characters being competent and solving problems with good reasoning anymore in fiction.
I like how Geordi performs the Riker maneuver in response to rikers Riker maneuver
0:10 this move is commonly known as 'Command Presence' and will influence other like minded individuals into mimic
Lol
Riker always did this sht
Like some classsic portraitures do with the foot on the head of the enemy.
Yes, you're right.