Why Did Doctor Who Talk About This? Doctor Who 60th Anniversary Part 2- Wild Blue Yonder Review
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- The second episode of Doctor Who's 60th anniversary has released and I have many mixed feelings about the episode
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I agree, the timeless child just ruins the character of the doctor for me. It makes the whole last of the time lords and the master and the doctors relationship so much less impactful because the doctor was never Gallifreyan and the doctor and the master were a great pair because they were equals, now the doctor is a god. Also it creates huge continuity errors with the Tardis being a Police Box prior to the 1st doctor stealing it and the chamelena circuit getting stuck in 1963. It had also been established many times that timelords evolved regeneration from exposure to the untempered skism and exposure to the time vortex, hence the whole river song having timelord dna now makes no sense either.
It does make those things very less impactful! It also makes the Doctor special for creating the timelords which puts this chosen one thing on the Doctor which I can't stand. To me the Doctor is special for the things he did for the universe not for being born and creating the time lords
Flux was such a big event that did alot of damage that it would have been weird for them to move on and act like it never happened and Chibnall never addressed the consequences of it fully and how it would impact The Doctor emotionally
So I appreciate Davies showing just how guilty the doctor feels over it and you get how much damage it actually caused beyond seeing it in the series itself
I'm not sure if they'll add more to the timeless child stuff but the way the copy of Donna delivered the line of the doctor not knowing where he comes from did sound really cool and ominous, and if they decide to address it later on I'm sure RTD can make sense of it and do a better job of it. And due to how big of a change the timeless child twist was, it's something they unfortunately can't just gloss over and act like never happened either
And I'm glad it wasn't a multi-doctor story, don't get me wrong I love them but we already had that in the 50th and Power of the doctor already included alot of doctors so it would feel a bit boring if they just did it again and it's too soon to do that again, plus not every anniversary episode has to be like that or it will become very predictable so I'm glad Davies is doing something that. Saying that, I am excited to see Toymaker and I'm pretty sure Mel is gonna be in it next week as we haven't seen her yet
What never happened what’s all this shite about a flux? Who is playing the doctor here for the last three years I haven’t watched any😂
I would ask fans of the timeless child story how they think it improves and respects the character and the show.
I forgot to mention another positive was seeing Wilf again! I hope the 60th anniversary ends in a bang but after this episode I'm a bit worried
I appreciated the references to the Timeless Children and Flux because it proved Doctor Who wasn't ashamed of itself like so many certain RUclipsrs want it to be.
One of, if not the biggest criticism I have for the Jodie Whittaker era is that it went an entire season without referencing its own past at all.
The fact that this new era goes out of its way to reference something like this and only Episode 2 is quite an improvement imo
The multi doctor trick had already been used for the final episode of 13th Doctor & the celebration of BBC's centenary just last year.
I was thinking more in the style of the 50th and we see Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi plus maybe some other doctors too. I really would love to see McGann, Tennant, Smith and Capaldi all in a room together and interacting
@@Film1000Channel nah, they definitely won't do that. i think everyone just went hog wild with expectations but Davies ain't like that, never was. the 60th is going to be just about the Doctor and Donna and their relationship and how they move on and finally close that chapter. that's what i think anyways, i have been loving these specials though even without the big bombastic multiple doctors-like story.
@@Film1000Channel The issue of that is if every anniversary episode does that it becomes predictable, so I'm kinda grateful that for the 60th they're not doing the same old thing
@@Film1000Channel Endless crossovers and expectations for cameos are the reason the MCU has stagnated. Do you really want that to happen to Doctor Who? I'd rather they just tell a good story that sets up the future in a fun and interesting way. If another Doctor or companion cameo helps in that then great, but I don't want it to be there just for the sake of it. That would be cheap and ultimately bring down all involved.
@@dylanburton4955 I guess but when is the next time we will get a multi doctor story then? I love multi doctor stories and this time we could of gotten Capaldi as part of the multi doctor story and he would be interacting with Tennant and Smith plus maybe even more Doctors. I guess maybe we could get a multi Doctor story for the 70th or 75th if the show is still around by that time but I feel like the actors would look to old to play their Doctors by that time
Although it was not as exciting as the other specials it was nice to get a breath of fresh air between the two most polarizing episodes.
Which episodes are you referring too that are considered polarizing? This episode was definitely something different from recent episodes and it's a type of episode we haven't really seen in a long time
@@Film1000ChannelCould be counting the Children in Need special. Davros not good enough for a wheelchair🤷♂️.
@@DavidNicholson101 Yeah I didn't like that they changed Davros
That wasn't Isaac Newton
Who was it then?
@@Film1000Channel some Indian fella culturally appropriating my culture.
I stopped watching when Clara dominated the storylines with Capaldi, so I have no clue what the idea behind the timeless child was/is. I dropped in here to listen to your review and at 68% I do not think I’ll be watching anytime soon.
William hartnell is the first doctor! There never was a doctor before him. Why can’t they just say that the master lied.
In my mind William Hartnell is the first doctor and there never was a doctor before him but thats just me lol
RTD cant let go the last of his kind, the last edgelord themes. The Doctor always has to be emo about some mass distraction. It cant be just fun advantures with an emotionally stabil alien who want to see the world and helps if it needed.
In my opinion its the best episode of so far, but thats just me, and im glad the episodes aren’t multi doctor because its gotten old in my opinion
Nice! Yeah it seems like a lot of fans loved this episode cause after I uploaded my video I looked to see what the fanbase thought and a lot loved it. I was also wondering why I was getting so many dislikes too lol. So I guess I am in the minority thinking this was worse than Star Beast which I thought Star Beast was pretty good. Hopefully the next episode is the best of the specials with having Toy Maker return
@@Film1000Channel You arent wrong, its not a great 60th. I get its a 3 parter but they dont seem likey they are connected enough to need 3 episodes
One thing is with is you said about Newton.The 4th Doctor (Tom Baker) states that he dropped an apple on his head, and then later over tea he explained the theory of Gravity to Newton..so this opener was a throw back..
Also he was never a an original timelord..in the series The Mind of morbius when 4th doc has a mind bending battle with morbius it shows 8 different regenerations before the 4th making the 4th technically the 12th..so the timeless child is being taken from the 70s and being developed more..so I would definitely suggest watching Doctor Who before Eccleson, before making statements about history being stupid..
I do agree with alot of your statements..those 2 things are the only things I would say indicate or show that you possibly have not seen doctors 1-8
I actually liked this one way more than the first. But both were disappointing!
This one was disappointing for me but I thought the first episode was good
i guess that RTD is hoping that the sex education weirdos will tune in to watch doctor rwanda when he sneaks into the show !!
I guess with Tennant, we know at what payoff amount he will turn into a turncoat straightaphobe.
What is a straightaphobe? I hope Tennant has a good sendoff as the 14th Doctor cause I'm guessing we aren't going to be seeing Tennant again anytime soon after this special
Wouldn’t it have been better if the timeless child was that the Doctor exists in all Universes. That the fugitive Doctor is the Doctor from another universe and that’s why she has the same police box as the 13th at the time. For no matter what universe you go through, they’ll always be a Doctor to save the day. This keeps the idea that the fugitive doctor having separate memories from our Doctor because she is really from another universe. This also keeps how the time lady was able to recognize the fugitive doctor and not the 13th doctor also being a Timelord. But for them to be the same entity with our doctor forgetting those adventures and forgetting the reason how his tardis was a police box is incredibly stupid and neuters the doctors origin.
I saw the star beast.. and nope.. I’m done.. doctor who is dead to me. Star Trek from the 1960s is more enjoyable than what we’ve gotten for the 60th anniversary
ok have fun
better off watching the original show with the first doctor onwards.
Timeless children needs retconning back out and point blank ignorrd until a showrunner with the guts to do such does it
I have been hearing people bitch and moan about the Timeless Child for 3 years and since the announcement of Russell T Davies' return to the show, I've been continuing to hear how desperately people want him to retcon it. I personally had no problem with the concept of it. The execution was another issue but overall, it shocked me and blew my mind more than anything I'd seen in the show before! And considering our previous Gallifrey episode, Hell Bent had NOTHING going for it I was excited for this revelation.
But seeing in this episode that not only did Russell NOT retcon it, he DOUBLED DOWN and validated the Timeless Child AND Flux! It brought me such joy to see whinging fans put in their place. Him saying: 'STOP. ALL OF YOU. THE TIMELESS CHILD EPISODE HAPPENED. THE EVENTS OF FLUX HAPPENED. SO SHUT UP'.
Brilliant!!
The problem is that most of the fans has at least some knowledge of extended lore. Like it was Rassilon who limited regenration in others but not himself so he could be ruler forever etc.
at the rate he is going it wont have anyone left watching it, the ratings are going down again for the second special. 60yrs of doctor who and less than 5million viewers is a sad state of affairs with most of the fanbase driven away long long ago.
Wouldn’t it have been better if the timeless child was that the Doctor exists in all Universes. That the fugitive Doctor is the Doctor from another universe and that’s why she has the same police box as the 13th at the time. For no matter what universe you go through, they’ll always be a Doctor to save the day. This keeps the idea that the fugitive doctor having separate memories from our Doctor because she is really from another universe. This also keeps how the time lady was able to recognize the fugitive doctor and not the 13th doctor also being a Timelord. But for them to be the same entity with our doctor forgetting those adventures and forgetting the reason how his tardis was a police box is incredibly stupid and neuters the doctors origin.
Bro, nobody whining anymore. Only right grifters i havent heard about untill the Doctor got gender swapped. Who are just using Doctor Who as a proxy to spread moral panic.
Long time fans and casuals had stopped watching new who in. RTD tried to lure us all back with Tennant and Tate, but he is obviously is more interested to demonstrate how much he is above the avarge Doctor Who fans and could he enlighten than them than how to make great telly series.
@@Wizardjunior77 no, because i reject that there is a female doctor, jo grant asked the 3rd doctor (jon pertwee) if time lords can change gender as well as regenerate and he replied no . they can only regenerate into another male.
Can someone tell me was Sir Isaac Newton, black?
At this rate Nelson Mandela will be white.
It's just distracting.
You're not going to be talking about Doctor Who because he referenced the flux I find that sort of thing really really sad I mean if that all it takes for people to switch off perhaps they shouldn't bother
i have been finding it so entertaining watching videos online where some of these creators instead of criticizing what is actually wrong with the episodes just whinge and cry about "wokeness" and "the message". it's not wokeness to have an LGBT character, but what i do criticize is the way they did the "just let it go" thing, otherwise both episodes have been really solid stories that feel like proper DW.
and yeah, im glad they mentioned the flux AND the timeless child even though i absolutely hate the idea of the timeless child. but it would have been worse to just ignore it entirely. if davies can do something with it, then i say let him cook
they have switched off.
No I'm still going to be talking about Doctor Who and I'm reviewing the next episode of the 60th along with at least one entire season of the 15th Doctor but if I don't like the direction the show is going AKA exploring the timeless child or if I don't find it to be good then I will stop cause I don't want to continue to make negative video after negative video and I don't like to hate watch something either. What I meant is if the timeless child is something that is going to be continued to be referenced or explored in the future then I won't watch or review that cause I don't like the idea of the Doctor being anything other than a normal time lord from Gallifrey. Also I felt the flux was horrible so I didn't like that they are going to be exploring the aftermath of it. Based on this episode it looks like we will be exploring how the Doctor is feeling from those events in the next episode which is frustrating to me. I really thought going into the new RTD era we will be getting kinda of a clean slate and exploring new ideas. Instead we are exploring previous ideas and those ideas are things I really dislike
at 4.83 million overnight viewers in the u.k it got less than starbeast. i thought they hired davies and the rest to get the ratings up not down ?? and for something to celebrate 60yrs of doctor who the ratings are pathetic to be honest.
Probably because of snowflakes crying about the episode mentioning pronouns and having a transgender character
@@LittleLoz or maybe it is because they are making this show for a minority audience instead of for everyone . i mean i have to ask do they actually want people to watch their show or not because they have a funny way of trying to show it,
@@brucewayne7838 or maybe you're just a triggered flake
@@LittleLoz i am not triggered dude ! i have been far too busy watching real doctor who. the original show with the first doctor bill hartnell through to mccoy and having a great time !!!!.
@@brucewayne7838 you mean classic who. Yes I'm currently on The Time Meddler myself.
Still last nights episode was brilliant tho
I disagree that this felt like an average episode from the Davies era. I think episodes like The Shakespeare Code, The Poison Sky or 42 are more in the vein of an average Davies episode. Not terrible, not great. This episode was so suspenseful and funny at the same time. Of course everyone is different, but I thought this episode was well above average. Plus getting to enjoy an episode with David Tenant and Catherine Tate play off each other the entire time was just perfection. But I’m biased on those two.
Totally agree. I would put it beetween 42 and The Poison Sky.
The basic plot is Alien too dangerous get free, Doctor help spaceship go buumm and get lost. The encounters with the no things were great but the hole episode felt sterile to me. The Doctor had like 3 interactions with his enviroment the whole time and there were no support cast.
Also the episode felt more like magic than science fiction to me.
Yeah it seems a lot of fans loved this episode! I wish I did too but I am glad you enjoyed it! Me personally I am biased towards David Tennant's Doctor but I don't really care for Donna that much. I kinda wish Rose or Martha was in these specials instead but I get why Donna was the one that was brought back cause she is the most popular companion during the original RTD era and series 4 was the best of the show for a lot of fans
The show is called Doctor Who Doctor Who Who is he there will always be that mystery
or maybe doctor whom
Apparently they’re going to find a black actor for Daveros as well
Why don't you back that up with a source?
It's like they make an episode of Dr Who and then when it's done they all ask what can we add to rile up this fanbase? I know we'll make Isaac Newton black, we'll drop a line in about the Doctor being gay and we'll throw in some timeless child stuff.
Seems its triggering the snowflakes
@@LittleLoz yawn
I was hoping for a continuing story arc with the toymaker a prevalent threat in all 3 episodes as a celebration of 60 years, instead he's in 1 story, of 1 hour, of a compressed tv timeslot script. It wont be akin to a movie. It will be another waste of under-spent advertisements leading to overhyped reporting using our own expectations to fill in the story in our own minds just to get us to watch. It is clearly evident now that RTD couldnt expand on the toymaker as a character or a threat, just a villain of the week, selling a toy in his shop that changes the minds of people. Oh, how horrible a boss he is. BBC at its 60 year intellectual-property-ownership best. You cant do the character of the toymaker justice in 55 minutes.
Such whinge
Just make the master the timeless child. Problem solved
I don't like that either but I would have a better time accepting that and it also makes more sense for that to be the case. Why do we need to even explore the backstory behind the timelords like can some things be just a mystery lol. Thats just my opinion though
i think these specials are meant to represent the tone of the series moving forward. idk if its becase its on disney but it seems like rtd wants to make doctor who more child like, with the chessy comedic stuff and while i can see it being annoying as long as the story is good i wont mind it too much
Nit sure if you lived under the rock and just watched recent doctor who But RTD was alsways somewhat campy and cheesy.
The campy cheesiness was a part of Doctor Who back during the first RTD era so that isn't anything new, while it could tackle more mature themes, it was for the most part aimed at a very wide demographic
I hope it's not meant to represent the tone moving forward and they are just making some things ridiculous because it's the 60th anniversary. We shall see though
I think it's really kind of short sighted and close-minded to say "I'm not gonna watch because of the Timeless Child even if RTD can fix it."
Wouldn't him fixing it and making something good out of it, by extension make it no longer the problem? If you don't like what he does with it that's one thing but you're admitting here that he CAN make something good out of it and you still won't watch.
Fully agree. I despised the very premise of Timeless Child and Flux, yet if RTD handles them well I can at least say they got better later. Completely ignoring both makes no sense from a narrative standpoint, and while stories have been left behind in the show's history it was never to that extent. In all honesty, there's a fair chance TC turns out to be a lie, specifically to mess with the Doctor, but whatever happens I'd be happy to actually conclude it so we can hopefully move on to better plotlines.
@@harryunderwood9387 Exactly. Ignoring plot lines that people didn’t like initially just to try to please them is exactly how you get something like The Rise of Skywalker, a film that cowardly backtracks on basically everything the previous film tried to set up instead of working it into a more satisfying narrative organically. In contrast, The Legend of Korra Book 3 is a good example of taking something people weren’t fond of (Book 2), and using its framework to tell an interesting story. That’s what Doctor Who should be doing with the Timeless Child and Flux
How could he fix it? The only way to fix the timeless child for me is if he retcons it as to having the Doctor no longer being the timeless child which is something I do not want because there are fans that like that idea and I feel like we could just ignore instead just like how we ignore the Doctor being half human. The Doctor to me is a time lord who escaped Gallifrey with his granddaughter to explore the universe and in doing so became the best thing to ever happened for the universe. I don't like the idea of the Doctor being special for also being the creator of the timelords which puts this chosen one thing on the Doctor which I hate. I really think we should just ignore it and explore new ideas. New concepts that the show has never seen before and just leave the Doctors past alone. Maybe we can also bring back classic who villains and maybe even bring back Susan cause where the hell has she been for all these years like this poor man needs to be reunited with his granddaughter lol. I'm sure he could fix it and maybe make it bearable for most people but if thats the Doctors origin then it ruins the character for me. I also don't like the idea of Pre Hartenell Doctors too which is a whole other set of problems that I don't feel like getting into lol
@@Film1000Channel Actually, I fully sympathise with your point. It's a very messy plot point to handle, for damn good reasons, and I honestly don't see an easy solution that would make everyone happy. But, if you abandon it, those same people who (for some unearthly reason) like that storyline will still be infuriated. Let's face it, nobody will be happy with how it's resolved, but some ideas I've heard about have more acceptable details. Not much more acceptable, but still.
For example, the idea that the Doctor genuinely was just an ordinary born-and-raised Gallifreyan (maybe the Loom comes into play here), yet when Eleven was given a new set of regenerations, he was accidentally given infinite ones. So, later on the Doctor ends up having some big adventure against some adversary that ends up causing a regeneration under unusual circumstances (imagine the usual severe injuries, yet maybe they also fall out of the TARDIS and through the Time Vortex?). Regardless, the process is so traumatic and unusual, that it severely impacts the Doctor's memories and regeneration, turning them into a child. They land right where the Timeless Child was found, and the story goes as explained. It's the standard self-contained time loop, with the Time Lords securing their own past, though my god is it a stretch.
@@harryunderwood9387 I actually thought of that idea as well. Making the Timeless Child a closed loop is a cool idea and VERY Doctor Who. Still isn't perfect as it wouldn't explain how the Fugitive Doctor exists and has the phone box TARDIS but it's at least worth considering instead of just throwing it away and hoping nobody notices.
It's to distract from the 'Gay Doctor' jokes and Horrible Histories Newton scene - as well as the fact the story is mashed together bits of Planet of Evil, Terminus, 42, The Lazarus Project, The Two Doctors, Four To Doomsday, Underworld, Terror of the Zygons, Slipback; even Meglos (to name but 8 or more) and that episode of Star Trek (let alone any fiction) that had the evil 'dopplegangers' and an isolated location in peril and 'inperilling'. An argument for writers on the show who have never actually watched DW to be given gainful employment - as at least they can only unintentionally homage or plagiarise by happenstance. A desperate roll of the dice to remind us this is post Chibnall Who, not 2006 or 1976?
Bro at least this episode wasn't shoving pronouns down our throats unlike the last one like
Still damaged doctor’s who reputation for any chance of revival now
Rofl, either that or it would have come after these specials
@@happy-ej2cc wrong.
Why are you such a flake
@@LittleLoz the viewership dropped from 6 million which was already low for a 60th anniversary special to 4 million. Who tf thought race swapping isaac newton was a good idea 💀
@@happy-ej2cc viewing figures go up and down. I guess snowflakes will continue crying about every small detail within the show.
If they're not crying about a woman doctor it's pronouns or having a transgender character or having a black doctor or crying about the skin colour of a character that wasn't even in the episode for 5 mins