How Did the Mongols Fight Other Mongols?
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
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When is Bagan Empire Vs Mongols?
Tatar Khaganate was Turkic .It is referred to as the Turco-Mongol in the literature, but this is a mistake. In addition to historical records, DNA studies also proved that Genghis Khan was Turkic.Genghis Khan's Y-DNA haplogroup R1b-M343 lol
Was there ever a Burmese/Myanmar episode?
Thank you
Both generals: feigned retreat!
Soldiers: ah we live to fight another day!
When all other foes have been conquered, the only opponent left...is a mirror match.
Ah, street fighter vibe:)
Mangudai vs drill SO. Micro madness!
China was not conquered yet at that time.
Well they started with mirror matches, then stopped and branched out into other matchups, and then went back to mirror matches.
Finally Mongols vs Mongols, we reach a failure in the matrix or both Mongol armies are unable to copy or cheat their opponent in battle 👍.
Tatar Khaganate was Turkic .It is referred to as the Turco-Mongol in the literature, but this is a mistake. In addition to historical records, DNA studies also proved that Genghis Khan was Turkic.Genghis Khan's Y-DNA haplogroup R1b-M343 lol
@@sezarnhakksezarafatihinhak5475 Pseudo turkic history lol
Least patriotic Turkish nationalist LOL@@sezarnhakksezarafatihinhak5475
Mongol vs Mongol they know their secrets
@@sezarnhakksezarafatihinhak5475
False history
I am a Korean viewer who enjoys watching Kings and Generals. I am writing this to ask you about the Anglo-Dutch War, the Goguryeo-Sui Dynasty War, the Goguryeo-Tang Dynasty War, and the Silla-Tang Dynasty War. I enjoy watching it a lot. I would appreciate it if you could make it for me.
I completly agree. I am a American viewer who is in love with the Korean history. I wish we could know more about Goreyo transition to Joseon dynasty too. So much political intrigue and so much to know.
I’m from Pakistan, and got some mongol ancestry in my DNA ancestry. Was curious where it came from so. Kings and Generals helped me learn that.
But the government
@@WonderwhoopinWhat about the government ???? He from South Korea not North
Background History has a nice video about the Third Anglo-Dutch War (1672), it's really good!
I'm a Mongolian, and the sad thing is the Mongols vs the Mongols thing continued until the late 17th century, in which we became vassals of the Jurchens-called Manchu. The story of becoming the vassals was also due to the Mongols in-fighting, particularly one was siding with the Manchus, others were against it, etc. We even fought with each other due to the Tibetan Buddhist inner conflict, like one was siding with the Red-Hat Buddhists and the other was supporting the Yellow-Hat Buddhists (Gelugpas).
No only Mongols.. jurchens or Manchus also fought each others so are han Chinese and Koreans… 9 Mongol tribes attacked one Jianzhou Jurchen tribe but lost… Jurchens were just far superior warriors than Mongols.
@@Nia-ql1zk which battle are you referring to? 1593 battle? That was battle between jurchens with participation of mongol tribe Khorchin.
@@Nia-ql1zk The Jurchens' base was hidden in the terrain deep in the Changbai Mountains, and the Mongols were able to massacre them in an open battle. Genghis Khan's warriors can also dismount and fight such as the Battle of Yehuling.
@@freeway4108 Once the Mongols leave their war horses, they are no match for the Jurchens and Han . This is the history.
All peoples fight among themselves, not just the Mongols. The same is true for Jurchens and Han people. The reason why Genghis Khan could rise was because all ethnic groups were killing each other at that time, the Khitans, Jurchens, Hans, Dangxiangs, and Dali people. Only the Mongols did not attract anyone's attention
Riding on top a platform, carried by four elephants must have been quite the harrowing experience. Kublai had balls even into his 70s.
Evry1 has balls when they are 70
The power of giving 0 f@cks
also known as crippling clinical depression
Mongols vs Mongols is like House of the Dragon- only a dragon can bring it down.
Kublai really put the "knowing is half the battle." Motto to good effect here we can see how utilized both the Steppe advantages and disadvantages to gain victory against his rivals.
8:40 Man stradlling on 4 elephants? The chad.
Dude had 4 ⚽️ for each elephant
Love the Mongol civil wars! Wish there was a Total War game focused on 13th century Asia!
On Medieval Total war there is golden horde but not ofcourse whole mongol empire.
@@amiza.thedudeThe original or second one? I know Medieval II has Mongols and Timurids.
would be similar to Attila
@@EmperorAttila It would very different from Attila. IMO, the 13th century Asia's faction variety is even more than that of Europe. The game will have the Muslim and Hindu factions of India, Chinese Song, Tibetan Xi Xia, Manchu Jin, Korean Goryeo Dynasties, as well as the Kamakura Shogunate in East Asia, Mongol and Turkic Khanates, the Khwaresmian Empire, the Abbasids, and the Ayyubids in the Middle East, The Viet, Cham, and the Khmer Empire in SEA.
@@ElBandito I thought the main warfare would be horse archer vs horse archer. In Attila there were other troops too but most of the time you use... horse archer :)
Mongols literary fought with everyone they had a ability to develop fighting styles for styles for each enemy very impressive
If Genghis Kahn had permanently conquered the entire world then I might be teaching Mongolian poetry, a job which would have its PROSE and KHANS. 😜
*slow clap*
Probably not, they would adopt superior languages
Nice
if Chinggis khaan lived little long
@@davkaanir4062black death ended his rule
You've nailed it with this video! It's both entertaining and thought-provoking.
Far more complex interactions between the successors than the show 'Marco Polo' depicts.
That show really winds me up considering its wasted potential. Good cast, and great set design basically got ruined by poor writing and ahistorical drama being shoehorned in.
There's this Russian drama called Golden Horde or Zolotoya Orda in Russian which shows the Golden horde history better
I stop watching this show when Marco Polo started to learn Kung Fu.
@@curranlakhani
The accents!!!!
Dubbed in Polish or Spanih must bey way better.
Throat singing competitions!
Or wrestling matches
Excellent as always
commenting to boost engagement. another fantastic video
Another great video!
Thank you so much for the video it was good
Very informative ❤
Cool stuff. Must have been such a pain to deal with the other Mongols. Fractious, mobile, capable, hardy. Such vast resources but you can't be strong everywhere. Love the practical solution to so many of his troops not wanting to fight other Mongols.
When the mongols fight other mongols its an avengers tier battle.
Man I think u guys have the best mongols content on the net
Kublai Khan inherited the best portion of the Mongol Empire.
He had the best economy.
Most Manpower.
Most educated and talented people in his society.
He had the most advanced civilization on earth at the time under his administration.
Kublai Khan basically had what would be equivalent to what America is in 2024.
However, he made a stupid choice by betraying and abandoning mongolia, and by making his army more than 90% chinese
@@feerlemon1181i think his Grandfather has a reason to hate him
@@feerlemon1181 he didn't abandone Mongolia, he fused it with Yuan China to create a dual monarchy.
And the most debt plus a disjointed population... Just like 2024 USA
@@theawesomeman9821 no he literally betrayed mongolia. All mongolians today acknowledge kublai khan was the biggest betrayer of mongolia in mongolian history. He moved the capital to Beijing instead of karakorum. He moved all the advanced technologies of mongolia to china. Thats why his brother ariq and also kaidu khan wanted to fight kublai khan for betraying mongolia. All the mongolians in the 14th century cursed kublai khan. Kublai khan united china and made china powerful than ever before, leading to the ming dynasty which completely destroyed karakorum. Even all of kublai khan’s mongol nobles and commanders warned kublai khan and said what he’s doing is wrong but he didn’t listen. He also replaced almost his whole army to chinese and made all of his bodyguards chinese.
Lol it always reminds me to the time whenever ppl complains that "horse archers are too OP" without realizing that the obvious counter of enemy horse archers are, naturally, your own horse archers
Thank you guys! Love mongol videos
That wall in Caucasus was called Siba. and Georgian king David VIII was obligated to watch over it. That was the reason of his death. He died from the plague which was spread along with the trenches in this defense system.
Really liked this one
Yes ! Thank you !
Excellent video 📹
Greatest Empire with great wealth and vast lands.
Love it from Mongolia 🇲🇳 🇲🇳
Монголы🇲🇳родственники Китайцев🇨🇳🇲🇳🇰🇬🇰🇿 6:38
олигтой юм бичиж чадахгүй байна уу?!😠😠😠
We love Berke Khan
He's a fool,
@@dukeheavens9990only one who wasn't
@@user-fo2kk9wu3b he betrayed he fellow Mongols, brothers and sisters to follow Muslim
I like the old school video game footage vs this new puppet like illustrations. Hope you guys will consider going back to them.
Great video though, it really highlights what a mess things become where a great leader dies and things fracture.
Please make a video on Chalukya Dynasty
Could you do a summary video on all the tactics used against the Mongol videos.. no historical context to help keep the tactics short?
The use of other steppe peoples in battle to slaughter fellow Tatars when they would rather converse shows a profound ruthlessness in Kublai.
I remember from the podcast series that during Genghis’ reign, the Mongols targeted Hungary for harboring Cuman-Qipchaq refugees, as if they had a vendetta against them.
Was Kublai unique in his integration of non-Mongol subjects and his willingness to fight other Mongols?
I love your video. I am writing this to ask you will you please make more videos on ancients India like chola invasion of srivijaya empire, Chandragupt vs Seleucus. 🇮🇳
Can you make a video on the Oromo Expansion and Conquest in the 16th century till the 19 century please
Will there by any videos on Golden Horde successor states?
It would be nice to have a video on the rise and fall of the Asante Empire , and other early modern states in West africa 😊
Haha, horses go brrr
In modern Mongolia, Khubilai is considered as traitor by many Mongols. He chose foreign land over his homeland.
Thats right. Kubilai begged Koreans for help and gave his youngest daughter. Mongols fail to conquered Korea. It was more like military alliance.
@@yongseung3272 Lol, Goryeo officially submitted as vassal and it was semi-part of empire until 1350s. Yuan officials were arresting Goryeon kings if needed, or depose them as they wish, no it was not alliance. Lol. It was clearly relationship of master and subject.
@@ernyserok8278 no it wasn’t mongols failed to invade Korea. Both were tired of wars and didn’t want to bothered each others. It was
more like military alliance between Mongol princess and Korean prince. That’s why anti mongols Koreans rebelled right away because they didn’t want military alliance with Kubily. It wasnt even vassals. Koreans were the first sought alliance with Kubily when Kubily was weak and during civil war.
@@Nia-ql1zk Mongol princess Kutlughaimish was beating her korean husband in front of people, and all korean queens were reduced to second queens in order to make Qutluqhaimish empress consort according to korean records.
Check who is Chunghye of Goryeo. He was arrested and deposed by Yuan government. All korean kings after Chungneol were mixed mongolians, sons of mongol princesses. For example, king who got independence from mongols , Gongmin(His mongol name was Mongketemur) deposed his nephew Chungmok with assistance and permission of Yuan again.
@@Nia-ql1zkGoryeo was also briefly known as Zhengdong province of Yuan during japanese invasion. Rebellion you talking about was suppressed in 3 years by mongol-korean force.
Cool
Whenever I think of Mongolia, I think of Genghis Khan. Whenever I think of Genghis Khan, I think of kids... a hella lot of kids.
They passed through each other.
I am from Myanmar(Burma). Bagan Empire, our first empire fought wars against Mongols too. In records of Marco Polo, there was a great battle between elephant mounted Bagan army and horse mounted Mongol archers in nowadays Yunan province. Battle was so intense, and they fought for days. But Mongols implemented a strategy to lure elephants into low rise forest, so they all catch with thick branches and unable to mobilize and eventually defeated. In 0:08 .. there are two spear men on a war elephant. They are wearing konbaung dynasty era armor. They didn't fight against Mongol, since Mongol are long gone in 17th century. But they fought against Qing Dynasty and almost all neighboring countries and city states. They repelled all four Qing Invasion and forced Qing Empire to sign peace treaty. The konbaung Dynasty often referred as 3rd Myanmar Empire was initially successful until they clashed with British East India Company and British Empire who are far superior in every aspects.
If all these armies had just worked together...
if that happened today In the world only Mongolians
I saw Burmese war elephants in the intro. Any plan to make videos about centuries long Burmese Siamese wars?
At some point
*Another Day Another comment asking K&G For a video on Ancient Punt and its great cushitic trading dominion in below the red sea*
*Also their later fall to Semitic invasions and their macrobian descendants in barbaria or the ancient somali city states*
All this painting is so good and realistic according Mongolian 🇲🇳 national museum paiters
Take a shot every time he says Mongol/s
The title is hugely misleading. There is no tactics mentioned.
Plzz make video about Bengal Sultanate!
I'm bengali, it wasn't that great. Just a mediocre nation
@@accurategamer7085it was ok not mediocre
@@accurategamer7085No, It was great
when are we getting another wars of the diadochi video
working on it
Could we get some overheadview examples of how the Mongols successfully fought each other? 13:13
It's interesting to see how mongol tactics stagnated against each other. The answer was almost always defined BEFORE the battle or case-by-case, there was never a universal antimongol answer
Please make videos on Kashmir's History!
The mongol empire reached it's greatest extent under Kubilai Khan, sure Genghis started it all but Subutai and Kubilai were the major players
Chinggis khaan started it from nothing and Kubilai khan started it from World Strongest biggest Empire
In my notifications it cut of at fi and I thought this was a vid about how mongols fish
Okay, so this is a phenomenal vid, and I enjoyed it very much, so please know I say this with all the love in my heart, it boils down to "Mongols weren't very good at defending themselves from other Mongols" 🤣
Un video del gran general juan kurkuas
The visual of Kublai ordering his mongol troops to attack other mongols and they dismount and start kicking it instead.
When is Burmese Bagan Empire Vs Mongols? Because you showed Burmese troops in the thumbnail
How did Mongols fight Mongols? I'd guess all the time in the traditional way. The Mongol Empire was a singular point in time where they did not fight each other (that much).
This might be a stupid question,but would you ever do documentaries on pre historic people?
It is not really our specialty. Paleoanthropology is a very specialized field. Maybe down the line.
I'm talking more of the rise of civilization as in 10k-7k thousand years ago rather than hunter gatherer era 300k years ago@@KingsandGenerals
@@Someone-by6jm oh. We have some videos on the Bronze Age civilizations, especially Mesopotamian ones
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Plost twist: both fiend retreat until they found themselves back at home
Could you make a video about how Hungarians beat the golden horde?
Great video btw!
In this kind off battle Mongols always won !
This was interesting. But, I was expecting to see at least some accounts of battles. come on!! haw do two army's who famously use kiting and blitzkrieg attacks fight when fighting each other? The history was cool. and you showed haw it happened in terms of geography, supply lines. but actual battles... And if you don't really know then you could speculate in a way your audience would enjoy. for example you could get two Total War player to use all horse archers and see what tactics they can come up over a few weeks. then speculate about that in a short 5-10 minutes. could be fun. 🤷♂
Would like to see Mongol invasion of Burma and Tibet.
Who made the armor?
Armourers in Mongol service. All the captured tradesmen, artisans and other specialists were put to use by the Mongols for these things. As well as a lot of reused equipment from Jin and Song dynasties and other defeated peoples. Further, an armour tradition already existed amongst the nomad blacksmiths even before the start of the conquests.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Thanks. Please allow me to pivot. Where are the blue eyed/blond haired Mongols? (from the slaves).
@@peacefulamerican4994 We are told specifically that a son of Qaidu Khan named Chapar had a thick beard and presumably fair hair. He is described as per Rashid ad-Din: "Those who have seen him have reported that he is an extremely thin person, scrawny, and with a face and beard like Rus' and Circassians. He is of middling height, thin, and has seven sons." His mother's name and origin are unknown, but we do know that his half-brother (another son of Qaidu via his chief wife Dorbajin) was named Orus, which was the Mongolian name for the Rus'. So it is implied that Chapar's mother was a woman taken from the Rus' principalities (hence his unusual appearance, by Mongol standards) and that his half-brother was perhaps even named in reference to this (the Mongols liked to name children after conquered peoples and lands). Chapar and Orus also had a bad relationship and competed to succeed their father after his death. We might suppose, Chapar was not treated too kindly by his half-brothers, being the son of a concubine, having a non-Mongolian appearance, and his brother Orus even being named after the conquest of Chapar's mother's homeland.
Otherwise, dark hair, dark eyes and reddish faces are fairly consistent descriptions of the Mongols and the Chinggisids' appearance across European, Chinese and Islamic sources.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Yes. As we see many ethnic Russians with 'almond shaped' eyes. What happened to the Euro slaves of the Mongols?
How about that all conquering flag at the end!!!!!
Kublai: we need horse archers… but better ones
It's "khaganat"
Was Bayan a son of Subetei?
Our great Khaans used every resource, whether it was Turkic, Korean and Chinese troops as auxilaries, Uyghur and Persian Statesmen, Daoist, Muslim and Buddhist theologians. This was one of the great powers of our people: Using multiculturalism and the benefits of each culture for what they are good at. The only mistake, was this hereditary rule. Chinghis Khaan Temujin grew into greatest steppe power, because he selected people based on their Deeds and Competance, not their race or lineage... until he made the mistake of allowing his sons and grandsons to govern land they were too inept or greedy/ambitious to lead.
But, this is why Mongols were the best people to lead the steppe, because our people didn't care about petty "nationalism" like many of the "Turkic" nations did.
At 9:00 so gunpowder was first invented by Koreans or Chinese?
Gunpowder was first made in China, but it was under the Mongols it was popularized in primitive firearms.
Technology advances are needed to move from firecrackers to canons
pure exclusive content ?!? welp there goes a sub, time delay sure pure, firetruck off
Lol
So in short, the Mogol Empire was not much different than the Holy Roman Empire.
I thought Ariq Borke was Khubilai's uncle?
Brothers. Ariq was his youngest brother.
Please consider not using the bubble popping sound effect. It becomes annoying when only listening to the video with earphones. I had to stop listening after a few minutes. 👎
How Khwarazmians defend against Mongols?
How large would the Qipchaq guard have been? Was it the size of a Tumen?
Tumen is usually 10k
@@KingsandGenerals So is that the size of the Qipchaq guard is my question? Did actual Qipchaq horse archers make up that number?
@@SaifKhagan during the height of its power and influences, the Qipchaq Guard was official 42 units of 1000 divided into a Left and Right Qipchaq Guard. So a little over 4 tumens. In theory, a nominal strength of about 42,000. However, the Yuan accounts are rather clear that the decimal units were rarely, if ever full strength. This was so consistent that they would actually categorize them. To quote Christopher Atwood: "From 1284, at least, the decimal units were classified into upper, middle, and lower in size, with the upper having at least 7,000/700/70 households [for tumen/minggan/jaggun], middle having 5,000/500 and lower having 3,000/300/50 households (Hsiao 1978: 170-171). The actual figures for the eleven tümens in Central Tibet, the only ones for which figures have survived, range from 5,850 households down to 500 households in size." (Atwood, 2012, pg. 26).
Realistically, this 42,000 troops is probably closer 20-30,000. In terms of actual Qipchaqs, they were only a part of this (concentrated in the core and command). All of the Yuan 'ethnic' Guard units (Qangli Quard, Asud{Alan} Guard, Tangut Guard) were made up of various Mongol, Turkic, Tangut, Jurchen, Khitan, even Chinese all in addition to the group that gave the name. This disparity between the name and the actual makeup of the guard seems to have grown over the fourteenth century. I do not believe there exists, though, actual breakdowns to what this looked like % wise.
As a Mongolian must say somthing about todays turk seljuks! 1) Chinges Haan is Mongolian Kung with 100 💯 Mongol DNA
2) in the history don’t have turcik Mongol
Simple, don't fall for the feigned retreat.
TBF, a lot of steppe powers perfected the art of making feigned retreat look like a genuine one.
Now Koreans have to deal with Chinese in Manchuria.
Ah yes, the epic battle between the great Batu Khan and his adversary, General Am Ka Ming from China.
That’s all I can think about when I hear “BATU KAHN!!!”
Kublai= Ptolemy
Hulagu= selucus
Kaidu= antignous
Duwa=cassander
I don't think any of them can compare to Hulagu or Kubilai, those squabbling kingdoms fought each other while the Khans fought the entire world
TLDW: Using non-Mongol Horse Archers.
Using better equipped horse archers.
6:02 Hello Gao Ding of Nanman Army, reincarnated into a General of mongols eh,!! don't you miss Kongming already.!?
Why Mongols did not conquer Siberia ?
Few forest people lived in Siberia, and under the rule of the Mongol Empire, the great government /Ikh Zasag/ ruled under the law.
They did. At least the part where people lived.
There are a handful of sources stating things along the lines of the Mongols reaching a "northern Ocean," and apparently evidence for some sort of Yuan presence in Kamchatka Peninsula. However, as we do not have sources from the Siberian point-of-view, it is very difficult to know how far that rule extended or what it actually looked like. When people making modern maps of the Mongol Empire, the northern border they show is always an artificial one; we don't know what the northern border actually was, and probably they did not quite know either.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Yeah the maps always bugged me because I consider the Mongols as one of the most practical groups of people in history, so one would assume that they would want natural borders between conquests. So when I see a map of, say the golden horde, I always think about how there's almost no natural borders
Throat singing duel offs
When Temüjin was a boy, the center of the steppe world was the Orkhon Valley, the old imperial site of the Türks. The valley was dominated by the Kereit. To the west, on the upper Irtysh River, lay Naiman territory. The Kereit and Naiman, not the Mongols, were masters of the steppe. The Kereit and Naiman elites spoke Turkic and had partially converted to Christianity under the influence of the Nestorian Church. In an effort to out do each other, To'oril of the Kereit and Tayang Qan of the Naiman accumulated men, weapons, alliances, and prestige. Yesügei Ba'atur sided with the Kereit. Later Chinggis Khan would subdue the Kereit and the Naiman in the course of a protracted effort to defeat all challengers among the steppe peoples.
The Horde How the Mongols Changed the World Marie Favereau, p.32-33
My actual CK3 can confirm that Mongols did fight Mongols lol
The Timurid Empire and the Golden Horde technically count, since they both had Mongols in their armies, though they were heavily Turkicized.
Mughals as well (litteraly called the sultanate of mongols in india) maghuls in arabic
They went down with the british invasion mongol civilization survived with them
What you mean turkicized?
Although the Turks often comprised the bulk of the Mongol army as well as the bulk of armies opposed to the Mongols, throughout the domains of the Mongol Empire there was a diffusion of military technology, which has already bee and also ethnic groups. In addition to the Mongols and Turks, other ethnicities served in the Mongol military machine and found themselves distant from home.
May, T.M., 2012. The Mongol conquests in world history, London: Reaktion Books. p.222
Tumur ( Emir) Mongol general took over seljuk sultan( todays turcik king)! Emir Tumur grounded by him todays uzbekistan!!!!
I love the Mongolic peoples and appreciate the video, but Turkic peoples are so often overlooked. Their fighting amongst themselves was fierce. (And indeed, the Mongol empire coils accurately be described as a Mongolic-Turkic empire given the amount of the latter who were involved in it.)