Why the ARC Troopers Made Palpatine Deeply Uncomfortable - The Badass Loners of the GAR
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
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Independent thinking Clone Troopers with highly advanced training and weaponry that could accomplish any mission like espionage, sabotaging, and more importantly assassination could put the nerves to even the Dark Lord of the Sith.
When you consider just the sheer amount of damage the NULLs did with their sabotage against the seppies, man just imagine what a group of motivated alphas and NULLs could achieve when working against the republic where they could hypothetically blend in in a almost undetectable way.
@@Gary_The_Metro except that the alphas and nulls hated each other
Don't forget they were trained as clones on the dlel as kids to kill Jedi if I was palpy I'd prepare lightning on advance
@@Gary_The_Metro Shit just one arc trooper alone (Fives) made him nearly shit his pants.
Palpatine, and most people in general, tend to fear or hate what they don’t understand or can’t control.
I feel like ARC troopers are the most relatable and least scary. Because unlike other clone troopers, they dont hide many secrets and are independent.
Yes bc Palpatine is also just a human! He is extremely powerful, but even such beings know only a fraction of this universe!
If I was Palpatine, I’d feel that way, because Sidious was arguably the most manipulative of the Sith.
That’s an extremely disingenuous statement in regards to Palpatine’s character. Were there threats to him? Not a lot, but definitely a few. Was he ‘scared’ or ‘misunderstood’? Absolutely not. Palpatine was a strategic genius, a master manipulator and very powerful. You don’t get as far as he did without completely understanding the enemy and knowing your strengths and weaknesses and playing towards those. He may have been wary and conscious of the threats, but I don’t think he was ever scared or misunderstood.
Which is why Palpatine wanted storm troopers, they are basically brainwashed and dependent to a fault. It's hard to assassinate anyone if you're men are completely incapable of plotting one.
Remember, when the republic was in trouble and only the BEST would do, they sent in Jedi. Then Grevious slaughtered them, and when the best of the best were in trouble,
They sent in the Alpha class ARCs
I always feel bad for Fives when I remember his death.
& Clone 99
@@Karlos1234ify 99 has my eternal respect. o7
“Fives noooo”
ARCs got the second worst nerfing in Canon after Grievous
"Too OP please nerf" - Sheev "Senate" Palpatine
ARCeebus?
The ARCs were so powerful, they could almost take down the senate
Palpatine, “Oh, Bantha crap.” (Sweats)
I am the senate
(Imagines Order 65) Yep. They could.
Considering that the Senators of the time were mostly unarmed politicians trapped in a confined space that could be easily sealed off with a coordinated action by troopers that could blend into with the troopers meant to be there with no one noticing it would be about as hard for a force of ARC Troopers to take out the Senate as it is for a dirtbag today to take out McDonald's or third grade class with an assault rifle. Honestly the regular troopers could have done that as well at any point during the Clone Wars but then Palps would have had to deal with negative public reaction and the still very present Jedi Order that would suddenly have the backing of the people while he's now outed himself. As it was it took almost thirty years after the end of the Clone Wars before he was secure enough that he thought he could get away with dissolving the Senate.
Now I'm just imaging Palpatine sitting beside a ping-pong table and using the force to control the paddles
10/10 mental image
And when he can't beat n00bMaster69s record he just force lightning blasts the thing out of existence.
Well, Kix came pretty close to foiling Palpatine's plans in the comics. And let's not forget about those Clones led by that Republic Officer that the Jedi left in charge of the Sidious investigation while they went to deal with the Battle of Coruscant, he and those Clones found Palpatine's secret planning room, only to then get all their internal organs mushed to pieces by the Ggeonosisan's guarding the door.
What was this in?
@@RapidGunnMen For Kix it was in the short story comic: The Crimson Corsair and the Lost Treasure of Count Dooku.
And for the Republic Officer and the Clones it was in the novel Labyrinth of Evil.
I think they still managed to kill the Geonosians
@@johnycoho7830 Yes they did, but then they died from their injuries.
It’s crazy to think how one ARC Trooper could’ve stopped the most tragic event in the Star Wars universe!
It's not that crazy those guys are dedicated just like Jango
The Null ARCs would listen primarily to only Kal Skirata. The Alphas were still very independent and creative but were obedient enough to follow orders and work with the main army and Jedi, but they will disobey or question orders they don't agree with.
^
So true
But also quite a few defected and either disappeared or were hunted down and killed. And who knows how many defected over the years. I love the republic commando series and it sucks it ended. The arcs and nulls are fully capable of taking the empire down in it’s early phases if they wanted to and built a force up. Palpatine knew his rule was tenuous at best until he consolidated his power after order 66 and winning the war. So you knew he had to be worried about anyone with the skills necessary to topple his rule.
ARC Troopers and Commandos were the Galactic Republic's equivalent to the Spartans from Halo, well trained, well outfitted individualistic troops that can pull of some of the craziest missions their factions through at them, often involving things doing a lot of exploding.
ARCs are, Comandos are if ODSTS were given spartan level training in teamwork
The Bad Batch is the most relatable to Spartans
Well I prefer creating babies instead of taking babies😏
CT-####/Marine
ARC Troopers/O.D.S.T.
Commandos/Spartan
(That’s how I see/saw it)
They were basically the special forces of the republic.
Fives almost foiled his plans when he discovered what the chips could do.
Nobody:
Delta 38: "You, get bacta now!"
“Kampung had no Chill” is the best description for Kaminoans I’ve ever heard.
To be fair the commandos had the coolest Armour design as well as a vibro gauntlet,also really sucks how alpha isn't canon 😭
Imagine the Jedi Masters and Windu showed up with an army of ARC Troopers to arrest the Senate.
Well he only woud say "im not the senat"
That would have been awesome
Palp sees the arcs: well shit guess I'll die
He still could’ve issued Order 66. Jesse was an ARC Trooper and he followed the order when it was given, so the other ARCs would’ve just turned on the Jedi.
@@GalakStari he was a second or third gen ark so Idk if the ogs would turn
Lama Su: "They are totally obedient taking any order without question"
Arc Troops: "Heh, that's a good one!" xD
Wish we had the nulls back in canon. We know that traviss’ novels were a divisive in Lucasfilm but it might’ve been cool to see our favorite clones interact with these lone wolves.
I like her clone wars novels
@@andrewnietfeld7213 yeah they’re pretty good
Shame she mucked up alongside Troy Denning in Legacy of the Force. Also, not much of a fan of Imperial Commando: 501st, since Order 66 is already a good enough stopping point for their stories.
By the way, I heard Hard Contact is coming for the next upcoming Legends Essential Collection wave of novels, alongside Yoda: Dark Rendezvous (unexpected, but still really good pick for the essentials) and Dawn of the Jedi: Into the Void (...problematic, in case you haven't read the DotJ comics).
Or just say "Screw you Disney, Legends is still a thing."
"ARC troopers, you have been selected for this task because you are the best, the elite, you all know what to do. The success of your mission is our key to a swift victory"
-General Obi-Wan Kenobi, Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003)
Someone: *asks Geetsly’s how much arc trooper videos he’ll make*
Geetsly’s: “200,000 units ready with a million more well on the way”
“Palpatine was afraid of arc troopers”
Fives: god dang
Kix was a medic & he continued Fives' investigation after his brother was killed by Fox. But Dooku found out, ordered battle droids to capture Kix & had him frozen in stasis😣😣
And then LOST the ship kix was on, not destroyed lost like in a hyperspace accident to unknown location
In the Legends Novel Order 66, which is about a group of clone troopers who had been adopted under Mandalorian law, by a Mando called Kal Skirata. He discovered the inhibitor chips and managed to remove them from his adopted sons and then set out to try and stall the accelerated aging. These clones were either considered deserters, or medically unfit for duty. They had girlfriend's, wives, and one of them even fathered a baby with a Jedi.
Palpatine: Execute Order 65! No, wait…!
Clone: Yes, my lord! *Shoots Chancellor*
Mhm the food order gos wrong 🤣
*ARC troopers started to become independent and attempted to uncover the plot that led to the execution of Order 66*
Palpatine: It's treason then.
Alpha 77 Fordo is and will always be my favorite ARC, I still love Echo and Rex but the OG 2002/2003 will forever be my favorite ARC’s
REX wasn’t an ARC actual
That was so cool when that first came out
@@ViktoriousDead he allegedly had the training and the award for it: jag eyes
Fordo was the man
@@gmailquinn The Jag eyes were awarded for courage and acts of bravery which for Rex's case helps that he is a generation 1 clone so has been around for a long time , but also Blackout who was the Stealth trooper Commander with Anakin when onboard the stealth ship also had Jag eyes but painted in yellow, so it's still a hard thing to earn for the clones if go by the show only and tbh it be hard to not give it too nearly most of Rex's 501st squad after all the shit they go through with Anakin but by near the end all our favourite's have shamefully died and yet I still want justice for Ridge :( one of the only few veterans of Torrent company with Rex who survived the standalone film who just went by unknown till his death by Maul on the Venator.
"Balls deep into this single player ping pong game" Nice
Fives is not only one of my favorite clones but in my top 5 favorite characters of all time. Truly the model for self sacrifice and undying loyalty to friends. In the words of Hardcase "Live to fight another day boys. Live to fight another day."
Fives wasn’t an alpha arc
@@ViktoriousDead whats your point? I didn't say he was or wasn't. Are you just shouting things you know into the void?
Fordo and Alpha 17 are still the og hyper badass clones
I really want the Alpha-class and Null-class ARC return to canon. I really loved reading the Republic Commando series.. but from what I have been told there are problems with Karen Traviss the author of the books.
The only problem I recall was she stopped writing Star Wars because she grew tired of navigating the Canon Vs Legends material and she has stated she won't write another Star Wars novel but that being said if you have heard more on the subject please tell me so I can have a better picture of why Karen Traviss was a problematic author.
@@JosephDawson1986 Not only that, she is outrageously unprofessional, she has attacked many people online viciously if they have a different opinion or if they criticize any of her books or opinions, I love the republic commando series, but it’s quite unfortunate to see them unfinished all because Karen travis can’t let go of her ego
@@actanonverba1385 wow. That I didn't know
Is it because the ARC Troopers (Clone Heavy Troopers in BF II 2005) are good counters against Darth Sidious (from the Coruscant: Jedi Temple, Death Star: Interior, Naboo: Theed, and Polis Massa: Medical Facility maps) via rocket spam and mines?
Captain fordo: "sector four needs reinforcements, we are being overrun, i repeat we are being-" (proceeds to take out more super battle droids).
I wonder how many ARC troopers discovered the inhibitor chips implanted on all Clones?
In star wars legends they didnt have them, so they just either deserted the army or disobeyed the order
^
Then you also have the commandos that found out ( legends)
"Good (T)Reason For Concern" just here to say I appreciated that one big dawg..
That picture at 0:14 looks familier... :D ... nice to see someone has a use for my por pictures. :)
i think it would have been to late to stopp palpatines plan even if the arc trouper was sucsessfull in warning the jedi, atleast parts of the plan but it might have ended in palpatine beeing killed or a civil war within the republic lasting for a long time and 1 part might make indications towards the sepratist senat (sure those guys dident have a lot of power if any but still) so it might have ended up with 3 or 4 factions fighting at once and beeing a REALY bloody war, FAAAR beyond what the clone wars had been up to that lasting for a lot longer. i think in the end there would have been 3 or 4 different factions with the jedi faction and if two factions of sepratis (then the faction that was lead by the sepratist senat) would be partial allyed with each other or atleast have some type of non aggresion pact. considering why the jedi did join the war to begin with.
I tried to read your comment and had a stroke💀💀💀
I feel like they cheapened Order 66 a bit by having control chips. Clones willingness to commit order 66 was supposed to be a culmination of things:
Clones didn’t particularly like Jedi as leaders and felt that it was stupid to hav pacifists in charge of armies
The order 66 itself stipulated that the Jedi had made an attempt to steal control of the government, making them dangerous. It wasn’t just “kill Jedi just because” it was “kill Jedi because they’ve committed treason”.
And
It meant that clones couldn’t have true character development of actively choosing to delay or ignore the order because it was just devolved to overcoming a control chip. There was no real active choice, removing the true weight of Order 66.
It also took away from Arc Troopers and Commandos, who were actually considered wild cards in Palpatine’s plan. Many chose to allow their Jedi to escape, but still stayed within the empire, or they were recruited to clan Skirata.
All of which is better than the Filoni-fied way of making the whole ordeal less mature and more child-tv
Just seeing the existence of the video, not even having gotten into it yet, I'm already thinking of Karen Travis's Null ARCs. Specifically how they were the most independent of an already insanely independent bunch, and basically only worked for the republic because their papa Kal did.
Why was Echo a Corporal after being an ARC trooper? I thought being an ARC trooper made you an Lt. like Jesse
Maybe he got demoted back to corporal when he was found as a cyborg because they didn't fully trust him at first and because he'd been gone for nearly 2 years?
Not answering your question but I'm also curious of Fives' rank especially in the Umbara arc. I know that Jesse, Dogma and Appo holds a certain rank and somehow Fives was Rex's second in command. I remember Jesse and Hardcase taking orders from Fives when they were infiltrating the dreadnought ship and he was also delegated as the leader for the second group that Rex divided before moving through the gorge.
Even Echo in his short period of becoming an ARC trooper was able to make battle plans with Rex which eventually the rest of the clones used and countered especially against on the battle of Anaxes shows how significant Echo was.
So yeah, they haven't exactly explained on how ARC trooper ranks work
@@azriffazli4670sergeant, most likely.
I always loved ARC troopers. They're one of my favorite Star Wars special forces. Also i'm not sure if i'm allowed to vent, but my discord got hacked earlier. Ugh.
Sidious’s reasons for hating the ARC Troopers are major reasons for why *I* think the Inhibitor Chips were a better idea than what Legends gave us. When working with Jedi, especially, let alone for as long of a time as the duration of the Clone Wars, it’s easy to form a bond, one strong enough to later make somebody consider disobeying an executive order, even one that’s important to a Sith Lord like Order 66 was. The Inhibitor Chips were the perfect counter to any willful behavior. It’s a wonder why so many people hate the idea of the Clones having Inhibitor Chips and think it’s so dumb. Seems pretty fitting to me that Sidious would want something that’d absolutely ensure the completion of the most important part of his plan. Without the Jedi destroyed, he can’t assume power as Emperor.
Interesting point. I admit I'm not really on either camp as I see the chips having theor own purpose especially incase bonds were formed. On the other hand if bonds weren't formed and the clones grew to despise the jedi then the chips wouldn't matter.
@@thirdplanet4471 The Jedi are generally too nice and caring to hate. I know some weren’t but still. Some Clones did wind up disliking or even overall hating the Jedi but it wasn’t enough to wipe out the whole Order with. Appo was actually one such Jedi critic that comes to mind, though his reasons for disliking the Jedi were different than what some of his brothers usually felt, and it was because he felt the Jedi acted like they were invincible by wearing robes in the battlefield instead of armor and doing charges. I honestly can’t recall off the top of my head right now what other known Clones disliked their Jedi Generals and their reasons, so I’m sorry for that.
@@teleportedbreadfor3days I can agree with you there as it does seem that overall the jedi weren't terrible to the clones. I just think that perhaps there may be more nuance in the matter as the clones may have felt shocked or betrayed at a possible jedi coup and they would be forced to respond (some clones were also probably a "follow orders no matter what" mentality) and some individual jedi who did not treat their clones well like Quin lan vos, Pong krell, and Ki adi mundi would have earned the ire of the clones. I also think it would be interesting from a non inhibator chip view if the clones would split into obey vs disobey as the chaos that would follow would be legendary. Regardless thanks for opening my mind
The chips where an uneccery addation to an already convoluted clone wars plot.
The clones where solders geneticly engineered with fast growth, obediance and condition to obey from birth.
They would carry out orders simply because refusing orders would never occure to them.
The chips make the most interesting part of the clone troopers.
There conditioning to obey irelevant by going: Nope.
We just take away there free will like there a bunch of driods.
"He even managed to connect the Supreme Chancellor to the conspiracy"
... No, Palpatine literally told him.
When I have an army imma recruit a lot of ARC troopers
Great now I can get the image of Sidious sprinting around a ping pong table using Force Speed while the Ghost of the ancient Sith take bets.
Or just using the force like a previous comment
Keep up the amazing content geetsly 💯
Funny enough, rex is an arc captain. Yet he still executed the order even though he tried to defy the order. Even though he's a gen 1 clone trooper, he still was already trained and made into an arc captain by the battle of geonosis.
No he is not, he is a clone captain that later received advanced recon commando training.
And if he was an Arc captain, he would be wearing red, blue is for sergeants.
specially looking at fett's newest designs in bobf-also partly trained by jango, he is basically an arc trooper lol
Always with the special forces clones. I don't remember any other regular clones who were special thinkers in the Legends continuity.
Fives may of had a chip in his head. But he was a really independent thinker and really skilled. The best part is why Rex loved his brother Fives and Echo with high skills in thinking.
These guys are badasses
The Clones are my favorite army in Star Wars I enjoy learning about all the different lore about them.
The Jedi were played like a fiddle with the clone army! Master stroke from old Sheeve!
The ARC Troopers are the best.
Too words to explain why they made Palpy nervous: Too Competent. xD
this makes me wonder, what the Kaminoans would think of SPARTAN-IIs from Halo if they saw those soldiers.
Imagine they clone an army of the chief
Didnt capten Rex continuod the ivestegestion after fivea death?
Long live the ARC troopers, the most badass soldiers in the galaxy, second only to the Nulls.
I feel like Clone Force 99 was an extreme example... Jango was one of the greatest warriors, even amongst the Mandalorians, and loyal to his clan. Why wouldn't you want an army like that?
Fives was one of my favourite clones... so of course he was killed
Imagine if all Arc troopers was in one legion
They were, the Special Operations Brigade
The ARC troopers did not obey order 66 either if I remember right.
Nice 1/6 Thumbnail!
Which clones removed their inhibited chips before order 66? (Video idea?)
If the historical accuracy of Spartacus (and even the fiction films) is at all accurate, I suppose we could compare The Clones to Roman Gladiators in many aspects.
They believed in "The Brotherhood" they all belonged to, by virtue of their "profession" and their training in a number of ways was similar as well.
Of course, gladiators were not soldiers, so their personal independence was acceptable, as long as it didn't contravene the wishes or demands of 'The House' they served.
I can understand the Kaminoan's frustrations with the ARC Troopers and such 'misfits' as The Bad Batch and a few Commando Units but thankfully, for us (the audience) at least, their independent natures gave us some of the best damn stories from The Clone Wars and Rebels... :)
I wish I could see an alternate timeline where Fives succeeded, id love to see the look on old palps face knowing he was done in by his own evil plot.
What if scenario; fives takes what hes learned to the other commandos, believing their position puts them in a better place to help him. So the kaminoans have to some how keep a bunch of commandos from explaining what's up to shak shak ti. Or following the rabbit hole all the way down through palpatines front door. Mass clone revolt? Commandos snipe the chancellor? Windu rolls up with a pair of LAATi gunships full of z6 toting commandos?
Thoughts?
I full belly-laughed at the lonely ping pong player bit😂
Too bad the Arc and Commando clones didn't got the vital to stop speed aging.
Only Niner did.
The ones who deserted to skirata clan got the aging reversed
I wanted to be an arc troooper when I was a kid. Still do
Same
I prefer Clone Commandos.
Hehe, Fives was so close to the truth and he *almost killed the Chancellor!*
Im not sure that any other arc trooper that isnt motivated by plot armor would even want to stop the chancellor to turn the republic into the empire
Their unpredictable ways away they were not liked by Palpatine
If there's something authoritarians of any kind dislike is independent thinking and refusal to compliance.
Indeed
"When designing the Arc Troopers, the Camenoens had very specific "perameters" in mind" .... Isn't that much more what you meant?
Palpatine being balls deep in his single player pingpong game 🤣🤣🤣
I love Arc troopers hell when I played battlefront I destroyed ppl online with the arc trooper type
So this is why palpatine killed me
Fordo is the best character in Starwars change my mind
Nice
I bet Palpatine changed his tune after Order 66, since the ARC Troopers weren’t immune to it (or at least certain ones, like Jesse, weren’t), but I can definitely understand why he’d be concerned about them *before* the order was issued.
I always felt the inhibitor chip explaination of canon was a cop out and poorly done. I mean Rex has the inhibitor chip, he fights it because Asoka wasn't a Jedi when Order 66 was given she was just a civilian Force user. The compliment of the 501st with her and Rex knew she wasn't a Jedi anymore, which is partly why Rex was able to resist the order until Asoka could remove his chip, but at the same time the rest of the compliment fully intended to enact Order 66 on Asoka. So this leads me to believe one of 3 likely scenarios...
Scenario 1: Order 66 described Jedi as anyone with a Lightsaber
Scenario 2: they had a list of Jedi names and descriptions that didn't change so even if a Jedi left the Order they would be recognised as Jedi thus eliminating the need for clarification later on
Lastly Scenario 3: Order 66 was contingent on killing all force users except those as designated by Palpatine which is likely as in one of the comics I recall a trooper shooting Vader claiming he was a Jedi before anyone told him no that Vader was Palpatine's representative to the 501st at the Jedi Temple.
Also was there a time frame for Order 66? Canon seems inconsistent one instance is Commander Grey Ct10/994 who executed the order and even hunted Caleb Dume in the end questioned why they blindly followed the order and acted to allow Dume to be rescued the second in the Obi Wan show when he mets a clone veteran.
Palpatine hates anything that he can't control including ARC Troopers and Jedi. He is not stupid
Im curious about wether the first or second generation of arc troopers were affect by the inhibitor or were they rather like the bad batch well most of them. Also curious about what gen of trooper fordo was
I believe he was an Alpha
@@biggsdarklighter0473 thanks wasnt sure as finding almost anything lore wise for the clone wars mini series is pretty darn hard
There were no inhibitor chips in legends. Most arcs deserted and became mandos, mercenaries, or rebels. The few who remained trained stormtroopers and became stormtrooper Commanders
@@Logan-cu9di i know the inhibitor chips were something made for the clonewars series but wasnt sure how that would effect older characters that havent been announced as canon but also havent been made legends as i honestly dont know if the old clone wars series was ever considered canon in the same manner as the newer clone wars series
well u got there something wrong: for expample Jesse, or Utapau ARCs did 66 without hesitance so... Rebeliousness wasnt tied so much to ARCs.
*geetsly placing explosive device* they grow stanning the arc troopers or not at all
Sith always want machines for men. People who wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger when a child is on the receiving end of a gun barrel.
OMFG ITS ECHO WITH THE HAND MARK ECHO!!! REWATCH LOOK IT UP NOT FIVES -__-
I friggin LOVE the ARC troopers!!
Whenevever anyone ever compares commandos vs arc troopers, i tell them arc troopers all the way BECAUSE of their independant thought. Smacks them in the face lol
“AlL JeDi hAte ClOnEs.”
Oh you mean sith lord palpa... I mean grand chancellor Palpatine distrusted them? Sounds like their extremely trustable.
Kix also knew he woke up 50 yrs after
I miss fives I wish they listened to him he was right all along 😭😭😭
Palpatine: *Wants an army of identical clones*
Also palpatine: *Hates the ones that preform perfectly*
I'm so done with Battlefront on Xbox. So, this is a pleasant distraction.
I feel like in Canon all normal arc troopers followed order 66 including captain fordo.
All arc troopers in canon did because they are just regular clones, there were no alpha arcs
@@Logan-cu9di I combine canon and legends before episode 6 all clone Wars comics and the show's are canon to me.
Well Rex managed to have his chip removed so if it wasn't for Fives, he probably wouldn't have succeeded.
do you think Alpha 17 disobeyed order 66 or do you think he did it because he was more in line with imperial thinking?
I think either one would work: alphas could disobey commands, but he also followed the contingency plans
How was 5s affected by palatine's order 66 if he took his chip out be 4 he was captured
Speaking of....ARC Trooper/Clone Trooper emojis when?
I totally disagree with the act of the kaminoains against the arc troopers because their independent thinking is what makes em truly valuable and unique............