Is kneesovertoesguy A Genius? | Strength & Conditioning Coach REACTS
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- Опубликовано: 27 мар 2021
- Is kneesovertoesguy A Genius? Strength & Conditioning Coach Dane Miller reacts to the Knees Over Toes Guy, Ben Patrick.
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I appreciate the video. My only mission is to help people systematically improve pain-free ability. That’s it. Thank you for being willing to look past any BS and differences and share positivity. I just subscribed to your channel and will be a follower of yours from now on! Thank you for sharing the mission of helping others!!!!!
We need you on PJF Performance's podcast man. I have to hear both viewpoints in blunt contrast to each other. From what I understand, Paul Fabritz suggests that you only need the mobility for your sport and that extra mobility past that can lead to injury and make you LESS athletic, but I'm unsure if he's taking into account being strong in the *full range* of mobility or not. He also talks about muscle tightness recently coming from OVER-lengthened muscle and anterior pelvic tilt, etc.
I'm just torn between both philosophies and love both trainers and their work, just wish I could get some clarity on where you guys agree and where you disagree and what results you've both seen in the athletes you've trained. Not to see it as a combative thing but to hone in on what both trainers have seen to be absolute truths.
Nordic curls ftw
There needs to be more positivity in this space. I completely agree. I think you're doing great things for athletes and overall health and wellness. Really appreciate the content man. Much love ✌
@Joseph Scott 😂😂
may be you should mention that it's not the exercise alone wich give us the desired restults. It's more the proper muscle activation wich you mastered but a lot of average guy don't. Your deep lunge is the best example. You have mastered to activate the hips (glutes) and deep core the right way and cocontraction of quads+hamstrings. But i think most people can't do this wich often causes knee pain. So just showing the exercises isn't enough for most. Learning it by feeling is the key.
He's legit. I had massive knee pain a couple months ago before I started listening to him. Now the knee pain is now reduced by 95%
That's awesome! Congrats 💪
Still got 5 percent left man
It's pretty crazy. I started doing his sissy squats and whatever he calls those deep lunges. In ~72 hrs it seems to have repositioned my hips. I've been working on deepening squats for a year but avoided any heavy lifts.
Whatever this guys into, it's magic for people like me who never did it before. To be fair, the athlean x guy did the same thing with his face pulls. These weird neglected muscle groups/ranges being popularized by tubers is pretty awesome.
same thing with me
@Rei Ren you quoted him wrong, genius
Garage Strength is open minded in praising another expert to this degree. Thanks for avoiding ego and defensiveness. Great video
Well said!
Just saw this and I am now a follower as the degree of integrity is so noteworthy. Especially on youtube. Here is an expert learning from another expert. I respect that a lot.
@@TheRealThilo I agree!
This guy is so convincing that I am actually considering buying his program. I've never even considered buying anybody's program, ever.
I would recommend it. I've only been on it for around a month but I am loving it.
Good luck 👊
Do it
I did, I've been in s&c almost 20 years
Learned a lot
Helps me, helps my clients, happy days
@@ndog1234765 I like the idea but after purchasing the programme I didn't expect a simple 1 week programme that loops. The app could also do with a much better tracking system. Disappointing but will carry on and see how it goes
He's real good about being incremental in his approach. Knees over toes guy is a big fan of Tom Platz.
Great point 👆👆
Perceptive and critical point.... nice
It’s stunning how many peoples “injuries” are just a lack of mobility. Don’t get me wrong, there definitely are injuries with long lasting or even permanent symptoms. But some are not even injuries at all.
That's why i got a mobile home...boom, problem solved
My lower back pain I found out, is caused by tight hamstrings and my body compensating which strains my lower back muscles stretching them too far
Agreed. Most people with shoulder problems that I've seen would just improve their pain if they just hung off a bar for a couple of seconds.
@@hoop6988 Funny you should mention that. My shoulders were starting to give me some issues and ive recently started doing a quick dead hang to start each workout. Seems to have really helped in only a couple weeks
@@PoeyJerkins I'm happy for your progress.
His mobility and flexibility is off the charts....
Kneesovertoesguy kind of genuineness is the same reason that keeps me returning to your videos. I can feel your passion for strength and conditioning. Keep it up!
Thank you. That means a lot 👊
I came off a knee ligament injury in wrestling.I’ve been doing his style of training for a few weeks. My knees have never felt better.
Great job 👆
what are some exercises you’ve been doing?
For football I was taught to stop at 90° and never let the knee go in front of the toe now I actually believe my knees are weak bc of it
Half squats are literally the worst squats for your knees so yes
@@maalik310 ass to grass babyyyy
If you look at olympic weightlifter squats, they do the opposite of what most hs strength coaches do in terms of keeping their knees behind toes and stopping at 90%.
@@robertcunningham1695 not healthy lol
Gotta get that triple extension
I agree. The split squat with the bouncing for "tendon bathing" was a main factor in my increased mobility. I'm feeling better than I was all of last year. No more achilles pain, knee pain, and I'm nice and looooose
That's awesome!
So glad he made this mainstream, now i don't have to convince my athletes to do this work . I have been doing this forself for 20 yrs , i have excellent knee health at 42
Definitely!
I would love to know how this help people with arthritis
When you said lengthening is strengthening I subscribed to your channel immediately. Im a therapist and thats what I say all the time. The longer the arm the more strength you need to move it. 1000% most important thing I say all the time to all of my clients no matter the age or physical ability. Looking forward to adding your videos to my knowledge download. 👍
From what I've seen from KneesOverToes training principles is an emphasis on full dynamic range of motion combined with Elasticity training and a blend of Plyometric and Explosive
Strength modalities.
It's Yoga combined with Strength, Jump and Tendon Training
Exactly.
Reminded me of The Bioneer, but KoT guy is more in tune with the Yoga aspect of physical health
@@dwnwa1872 I found KneesOverToesGuy through The Bioneer. He recommended everyone subscribe to his channel a while back.
@@NaturalStateWingChun maybe that's why KoT reminds me of the Bioneer, The Bioneer (and everyone else who's good in anything) takes a bit from here and there. Good to know, thanks Clayton.
You say yoga - But I'm pretty sure these are pilates principles. Not that I've studied any of this, so please correct me if I'm wrong.
my father is 77 years old now and doing split snatches for 50 years now, on German champion level and still competing at the European Masters. He has zero knee issues.
Cool story. How does that help anybody else?
@@user-kq8dg9op7f he’s saying that this stuff about knees over toes and loading knees over toes is legit because his father had had zero knee problems and can still compete at a high level in the snatch by doing that form
Stephan are you saying your dad uses and agrees with such principles??
@@dRaXuS01 thanks, that's what I'm saying. for @anibaljrbalt and @j
Of course one person is not a scientific sample. But it coroborates the principle from my experience.
@@user-kq8dg9op7f maybe the fact that your knees go over your toes in weightlifting? Dipshit
I love his generosity in evaluating the merits/demerits of another RUclipsr. We're all helping each other. I'm humbled by the expertise of so many RUclipsrs, professionals, and laypersons.
he is legit. if you suffer from knee pain then do his exercises and see whether or not your pain will be gone.
You need to start with healthy knees or start at a much lower point and build it up to this crap
If you have knee pain already don’t just do this obviously
@@jondoc7525 thats what kneeovertoesguy says too. Obviously u dont start the atg split squat with 100% bodyweight.
It’s more steps than this tho with “certain athletes in mind” .
I have a 30 inch vertical jump and use to have probably a 40 when I played max .
Maybe I would have had a fifty hah . One day things may just snap city tho for us mere mortals
@@jondoc7525 This video just has some of his harder stuff, his program has stuff for all levels, my 60 year old mom that had torn her acl and mcl when she was younger was able to start on his program and now is way healthier.
Fun to see Ben's growth! Passion will truly drive success when backed with a tireless work-ethic. Proud of you man, way to grow! Feel very fortunate to have been a small part of your come up in the jump space! Excited for you to use your platform to elevate the industry. Great work Dane on the vid!
Thanks Tyler. He is doing some really cool stuff. Glad to see you liked the video 💪
I could never afford a personal trainner , im glad that i found Dane Miller and Ben Patrick videos to guide me !!!
Happy to help!
I found him very interesting from the get go. Especially as he talked about backwards mobility as indicator of proper strength it made me realize that the conditioning from my track&field coach in high school was probably a big factor in my long term joint health. He was a cross country coach mostly but had everyone (including us guys in field events) do the mobility drills which included some backwards mechanics and deep lunges.
i recently stumbled on you both wish I was 20 yrs younger, better late than never cheers amigo
Happy to have you. Hopefully, we continue to help 💪
Amen
I very much admire the way you are not at all jealous or suspicious, by complementing the knee over toes guy, you actually make yourself look smarter.
I'm a grateful for someone who take the time to deconstruct the good and the bad with respect.
Thanks for such a positive outlook on a fellow coach. There's not enough of that online so that made your review far more enjoyable. Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Very informative.
Idea for content: instead of top 5 exercises for X you could do videos of 5 regressions for X or 5 progressions from X
Good Idea. There are so many videos of exercises and progressions, but Nobody does videos about regression!
Great suggestion! Thank you 💪
Split squats=bulletproof knees
TRUTH
is what he's doing at 8:49 what you mean by split squat?
@@KINGSTONE21 Yessir
Man, I did split squats for a long time, slowly progressively overloading them. Got pretty bad knee pain, until I basically stopped training quads and just did weighted lunges.
@@rometlempu4839 With proper form?
I know this was already talked about, but the positivity is contagious! I enjoyed you being self-reflective in that you talked about ways you can improve your craft from seeing what somebody else does well.
Pretty cool to see a well schooled professional like Dane admit that some of these "fringe" guys actually have some serious value to share with the field of S&C. And as mentioned, none of it is new, Ben is just bringing it back into style. Very cool.
Well said!
The split squat technique (excluding the front heel lift) is exactly how Charles Poliquin taught it (having spent more than a few weeks with him in courses in Montreal)
Amazing Coach and good mentor to me in my early coaching career
People that readily recognise quality in others mark themselves as open to ‘new’ ideas and in turn worth listening too! Hence why I was already sub’d to both channels.. Another piece of quality content 👊😎
Couldn't have said it better. Btw nice Cayman gt4 in your pfp, one of my favorite modern porches
@@walkingtalkingmonkey4103 thanks Sir, she’s 5 years old this week, still making me grin like a 5 year old boy.. 😁
@@neophyte400 i can imagine🤙 i heard they handle better than the gt350, gt-r, and m4
Thank you 💪
I’ve been a member ATG training (kneesovertoesguy) for about 6months now. I can definitely jump higher and it has completely reshaped the musculature of my chicken legs! 🍗
Congrats!
Is it the split squats that help jumping ability?
@@OnTheRiver14 thats only a small part of it, the split squat is more for knee health but still strengthens the tendons used in a jump
@@gsm6808 ah ok
It neither strengthens nor reshapes anything differently than regular strength training
I recently found your channel and it is incredible the amount of invaluable content you have made available to your channel. Your critique of another channel and the class that you did it in, just made me a lifelong fan and subscriber!
Wow, thank you!
honest and humble evaluation. Kudos to you sir. Both Modest and Mentoring.
Great review! 100% for those who've been in the game a long time a lot of these ingredients have been seen... like eggs and flour in cake isn't new... the ATG difference is in how it's all put together... the sequencing and progression is something I'd never seen in 20 years of research and practice. That's why I went all in on ATG in 2018.
Very informative review on the knee over toes guy. Cal Deitz has been preaching the split squat for a while now too. You are so right, this stuff has been around for a long time and its great that is coming back around. Nicely done sir
This man is worthy to be subscribed to. The support man 💯
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How much, and how frequent should you work on this type of thing?
@@kaycoffman5798 You can work on mobility daily.
What is the link to the original video?
@Joseph Scott maybe look into his wrestling pre season program?
@Joseph Scott ku58ii798
First time seeing any of your videos. I’m supporting you and subscribing because you’re honest and spreading the truth instead of trying to deter people learning something new that could change their life for the better.
I think the knees going over the toes fear comes from some studies showing how much extra shear force that put on the knee relative to keeping them behind the toes. However, as you sort of mentioned when the knees stay behind the toes it puts an insane amount of increased shear force on the lumbar spine.
Love to see professionals like you praising the work of others, it says a lot about you, keep up the good work!
the step up and the tib raise are my favs, make my knees feel smooth and stable
the split squat is catching up v quickly, it improved my knee mobility
Seeing you cover him made me really happy. You are my favorite strength and conditioning coach on RUclips and Ben is my favorite knee rehab, jumping coach. I'm literally going through his program so I can do the stuff you train, and it's helping tremendously. I did everything the doctors said after my knee injuries (only go to parallel, no knees over toes, etc.) and it made my knees worse. Started looking at Oly lifters compared to power lifters, body builders, etc. and noticed oly lifters had way better mobility, vmos, and joint longevity. Checked out KOT guy and realised everything he was saying was backed up by what I was learning (he says he learned a lot from Charles Poliquin). His program is really thought out and incremental, but he'll bump you up if you're ready. Looking forward to eventually doing more of what you teach. Wish I knew this stuff decades ago.
Yo. I love stories like this. Really glad him and I were able to point you in a positive direction. I really appreciate the support. Thank you.
@@GarageStrength , I really appreciate everything you do. I know your gonna blow up like crazy too. You can only be a well kept secret so long.
@@torinwade775 Haha thanks man. We've seen a lot of growth from supporters like you and it means a lot. I'm certain that we'll continue to grow as long as we keep bring value to fans like you 💪
This video got me feeling all mushy inside. lol You're right about the negativity/competitiveness and downright jealousy dominating the fitness space. I didn't know I was this tired of seeing it. This was a really nice, honest change of pace. Kneesovertoesguys name brought me here, and I now have another source of beneficial content. This is exactly how we spread good information, capable people building a capable community. Then guys like me learn from your stuff, and make our own, and the cycle continues. Great stuff. Best of luck with the growth!
I've never seen your channel before and I can say I'm a big fan. You're great at explaining things to the average person. I found your insights and responses very useful and knowledgeable! Kudos
I sorta think that KOTG draws the missing link between strength, mobility, flexibility, power, speed, athletic and gymnastics training.
I hope this collaboration happens! Two awesome teachers.
Great video. I really like KOT Guy and have been doing his stuff as much as I can, but I definitely like hearing critiques of his methods and message, as with anyone, because more nuance and information is always preferable. Glad to see more and more people are getting into KOT Guy's stuff because I for one have had really great results in a short amount of time, despite previous injuries and stuff. Had knee pain and discomfort from ruck marching for a LONG time, but a couple weeks of stretching like KOT Guy suggested and I feel NOTHING! Now for my ankle, which I also messed up rucking...
I’ll definitely incorporate some of these techniques at work. Love how it can see the carry over to body work. Thanks for the content. You gained a sub in me!
Love the humility and open mindedness in your reaction 🙌
Developing my vmo helped me reduce knee pain tremendously. Thanks kneesovertoesguy!
Wow,thanks for this review. Like your honesty and straight up talk. Really appreciate
Don't know how I hadn't come across your channel before but great stuff, you have a new subscriber! I am a semi-pro rugby player with a lot of knee issues and after doing these excercices for just over a month have noticed a big difference in pain and mobility
Critical analysis done with respect, knowledge and wisdom + an open mind. Very Rare to see in this world these days. Thank you 🙏💪✌👏
Great commentary. Not fanboy praise, not shitting on what you may have reservations on. You just earned a new subscriber.
Great review. Loving how you (and probably every other wrestler) showed a moment of reverence when KOT guy put a clip of Alexander "I do step ups with refrigerators" Karelin. Moment of silence for the GOAT.
I appreciate you and this video! Thanks for sharing you opinion on This and love seeing others support one another
Great stuff here!! I'm totally subscribing strength+ a positive constructive ego= quality content which guides and helps those suffering from physical pain, pin pointing the " weakness", and work at healing and strengthening those areas in order to have a better quality of living. Thanks Garage strength!!
I love all the historical examples you gave, great to get context as to when and how these ideas and exercises gained popularity and began influencing training practice.
I wanted to critique your statements on nordics though. Nordics do produce beneficial morphological changes on hamstring architecture (1) (2) with the most prominent being increased BFLH fascicle length, which is longer in faster sprinters(3), as well as increased intramuscular collagen. However these adaptations are mainly seen in the first 6 weeks (I can't find a source for this easily, if I'm misremembering it wouldn't be for longer than 12 weeks). One of my undergrad lecturers was the author of (1) and when discussing sprint improvements from nordics he credited it mainly to morphological changes rather than eccentric strength. I've heard this same sentiment from a coaches such as Cal Dietz (very prominent in the track & field world). Also Chris Beardsley has a great write-up on this topic (4).
Also of note is that sprint training produces similar adaptations to nordics (5). Nordics are arguably much safer, though any athlete trying to improve speed should be placing far more emphasis on actual sprinting than nordics so should be getting those adaptations anyways.
Also nordics are very non-specific to sprinting in terms of joint angles, joint rotation velocities, inter-muscular coordination, RFD, and other factors. Specificity is obviously less important in low level athletes (anything works), and progressively more important in higher level athletes.
A recent meta-analysis (6) found very small improvements in sprint times from nordics though noted that this improvement was prominent in untrained athletes and much smaller in more advanced (team sport) athletes.
Nordics look great in most studies because they are done on untrained individuals or sub-elite team sport athletes (slower and weaker than elite team sport athletes or sprinters) over short time frames. Though they tend to fall short in performance measures when higher level (faster and stronger) athletes are involved. Whether this is due to their non-specificity or lack of continual morphological adaptation or both I'm not sure.
If those athletes you referenced had weak or short fascicle length hamstrings, or were having injury problems, then your use makes total sense. However as a long term speed enhancer I don't believe the evidence or theory supports them.
I have no idea why I spent as long as I did on this response, covid lock-downs make you do weird things.
References
1 - Impact of the Nordic hamstring and hip extension exercises on hamstring architecture and morphology: implications for injury prevention. bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/5/469
2 - Effects of eccentric training at long‐muscle length on architectural and functional characteristics of the hamstrings. onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sms.13770?casa_token=Gp-wxE_1mUYAAAAA%3ANslVJz84b9lx4TbyPx9ids5H-CVfcYm-r-JjakutjsQJOFk3H3YJs66w1q-iitn5wR4d3Y-NlhWgQVVhEA
3 - Sprint performance is related to muscle fascicle length in male 100-m sprinters - journals.physiology.org/doi/pdf/10.1152/jappl.2000.88.3.811
4 - medium.com/@SandCResearch/nordic-curls-enhance-sprinting-ability-by-increasing-hamstrings-active-stiffness-95a9af077919
5 - Sprint versus isolated eccentric training: Comparative effects on hamstring architecture and performance in soccer players. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7012429/
6 - The effects of the Nordic hamstring exercise on sprint performance and eccentric knee flexor strength: A systematic review and meta-analysis of intervention studies among team sport players
- www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S144024402100061X?dgcid=rss_sd_all
Great review! I'll look forward to checking out more of your videos!
Great job, man! So few people spend time saying good things about others. Glad to see there is hope :-)
So helpful, you confirmed what I sensed from studying kneesovertoesguy's body of work
Happy to help 👊
I really appreciate your review of kneesovertoesguy! I just bought his book and hope I could reverse what years of military abuse has done to my knees. Really enjoyed your review, no ego, just an honest review. You've got a new subscriber because of that honesty, thanks again!
Love the additional advices and views. Subbed!
Awesome video man! very informative!
I appreciate the hell out of you for this. Ive been dealing with a knee injury from playing on bad turf and Ive been considering him for a while.
KOT is legit, but like all workouts and conditioning plans you have to go at your own safe pace and the man behind it makes that clear. I have been doing the range of motion exercises and the pain from my once dislocated knee is definitely improving. When I go on a hike I am not as sore afterwards and I feel a natural confidence in my body that has made hiking more enjoyable than ever. I appreciate your attitude towards new ideas. Definitely subbing to this channel.
Coach Dane, I, too just discovered Kneeovertoesguy and enjoy him. Your endorsement can only help him help more athletes and regular folks like me. I play tennis 4X a week for 2 hours and work out a little with bodyweight. To hear a world-class athlete like you and see Mark Bell of Rogue Fitness enjoying Ben's work is echoing as you say, time-provens with new innovations. Thanks, Coach Dane.
Thank you for the video! Removes a lot of skepticism! Can you do a video on Naudi Aguilar functional patterns please? 🙏 love your work
dude with beard: "i'm definitely stealing that from knee-over-toes-guy".
also dude with beard, five min later: ""lengthening is strengthening"... don't steal that knee-over-toes guy" lol
He gives credit to everyone he’s learned from. Very humble in this regard.
Hello coach, at garage strength. This is my first video discovering your chanel and I have subscribed and like this video due to how you approach other peoples content. Mature and respectful, I admire your opened mondedness and honesty, I look forward to watching further videos of yours and growing from them. Thank you.
I am almost halfway through this video but I want to praise you for all the good things are saying about this guy. Even things that you don’t agree with you have a nice way of saying it. Much respect!
Well said there’s a lot of great information! Your always putting out great information.
Thank you! Glad you liked it 👍
Your statements approx 4:36 to 4:51 are spot on. I remember some of this stuff from when I ran, and from early bodybulding/physical culture. We've "lost" alot of knowledge. Mentioned knee pain to a friend who was an elite runner, he said, "Are you unwinding? It was like a slap in the face, couldn't believe I forgot about this. Great stuff.
Thanks! I have been wanting to see what you thought of this homeboy. He has great concepts, but just like all of us athletes we can all bring something to the table of human performance.
Glad you liked it!
Big thumbs up, and a new subscriber.
I'll be stealing from both of you guys.
Thanks for your efforts and openly sharing with the rest of us 🙏
Excellent review, big fella. Thank you.
I enjoyed to follow your commentary. Informative - not aggressive. Made it easy to digest! 👍❗
Hey man, thanks so much for this video. I have a torn ACL, MCL, and Meniscus damage - yup the trifecta in knee injuries. I've been considering purchasing his program for months. Your review was awesome and made me both a big fan of his, but yours too. Salute! Subscribed!
Love the respect and passion in this video 🔥🔥
His system works. I have been doing the zero level for 45 days so far and the improvement in my knees is amazing. His system also covers shoulders and back both of which I have also seen great improvement. For context I'm 52 years old an have spent the last 20 years playing a high contact sport, beating the crap out of my joints. The ATG system was a game changer. I appreciate your honest critic of his information. I have subscribed to your channel now as well and look forward to learning from you.
Great to see some positive feedback from another professional!!! nice
Now we just need a shoulders guy and I can fix all my joint issues.
Just starting to work hamstrings and working on lengthening them I've felt my knee pain drop dramatically over 3-4 weeksm
I’ve never watched your videos but am a big fan of kneesovertoesguy. I expected this to be a negative review. (So glad I was wrong!) You are so knowledgeable (clearly), but also humble, to not just accept, but embrace some of the ideas from this new guy to your area of expertise that I hope you generate even more viewers to your own channel. I’ll certainly be one of them. Cheers.
Man, thank you for this video! New sub and excited to look into your stuff!
Welcome aboard!
Dude great video. I thought you were going to just criticize the guy but you did a great job of being critical but mostly positive and taking aspects you liked. Really refreshing video and it made me subscribe to your channel. Love the humility you show!
Thank you for everything that you do, Ben.
His loves his work
He is into it All day everyday forever ❤️🙏
Earned a subscriber.
I subscribed because you seemed critical, but overall very positive. Excellent coach's eye good sir.
V/r,
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I'm nearly one year out from mpfl reconstruction after a lifetime of dislocating my patella, unfortunately the first 7 months or so I didn't really have a good experience with physical therapy for recovery, at the beginning of this year I found a good PT but I still feel very behind and now have patella tracking issues, not able to go downstairs still Etc but one thing that I really want to take from his videos is the significance of walking backwards. For some reason that's something I'm still struggling with but I didn't realize how much of an impact that has with your overall movement so it's something I'm going to be incorporating in my daily physical therapy. I appreciated your break down!
big fan of Knees Over Toes guy. Thank you for your perspective on this. Just subbed to your channel.
Great and thorough, honest and not trying to be egotistical. I believe he mentions Charles Poliquin worked with him. I just subscribed to your channel from this. You seem like a really level-headed guy.
Damn huge fans of both of yall now
Love how you addressed the age-old parroting of 'don't go past your toes' and people going down the stairs.
Love your content and breakdowns coach!
Thank you 💪
mate I love your fair reactions just giving a fair credits thumbs up.
Ive had patellar tendonitis for awhile now and his advice and spinning a treadmill while walking backwards helped immensely.
Popped up in my feed love the video and review
Love this review! @the kneesovertoesguy has helped me sooo much!