I have a video series on the cognitive functions for anyone who wants to delve more deeply into it. I didn't want to get too granular in this video since that's been done elsewhere on the channel. I have many random thoughts on this topic that didn't make it into the video. One of these was that people - content creators in this case - have different ways of understanding and explaining the types. Specifically, these emerge from the personality type of the person communicating the information. Our own type influences the way we see the other types. Based on that, it makes sense to listen to many different people explaining these things. You might find that you resonate better with other descriptions and approaches. If I had to summarise this video in steps it would be as follows: 1. Identify factors (age, sex, language barriers, external pressure, maturity etc) that might muddy the water so they can be accounted for and worked around. 2. Follow your physiological feelings. Figure out what feels good/bad/draining/energising and so on. These reactions will give you a good foundation for seeing the skeleton of your personality. 3. Contrast and compare your traits with the people around you with the aim of placing yourself on a spectrum. Be honest with yourself during this. You might be decent at something but not great at it or kind of bad but not terrible. Not everything will be extreme. 4. Do the same as the above except for situations. Try to make these situations and scenarios that many people encounter so you can see a wide variety of approaches. 5. "Try on" different types. Basically, act like a certain type to see whether it feels natural to you. That will be a great barometer. If you can't approach life like a certain type then it's unlikely to be your true type. (I typed this comment out once before but it seems like RUclips screwed me over and deleted it) ~ Nathan
Nathan I had a question ..I have recently become aware that I have adhd...something I should have noticed long long ago..anyhow I noticed that a lot of the symptoms of it line up with my type (intp) have you noticed this might be more prevalent for some types?
It's interesting to see people's weaker functions become stronger over time. My father (ESFJ) and I (INTP) had a rocky relationship for a couple decades. He had no idea how to interact with me when I was young. I didn't respond to anything in a way with which he could relate. Likewise, I felt completely misunderstood and lonely for many years. We both tried, but common ground was hard to find. All the same functions, just with a different hierarchy. Now, after nearly half a century, we get along great. We still process things differently, but we've found we most often come to the same conclusions, even if we take very different paths to come to those conclusions. I certainly appreciate that MANY of the "because that's the way it's always been" Si-isms I grew up with actually DO hold up under scrutiny and can be backed up with empirical data... and he certainly seems to appreciate when I tell him I can now see that he was right... and sometimes guide him through areas where he was wrong, as he's actually developed the ability to revise his opinions to a degree I never imagined possible. Who'd've thought?
My mother (ISFJ) and I (intp) don’t see eye to eye since I was born. I left home at 19. I took her in 2 years ago to take care for her. We still get on each other’s nerves living under one roof. I hate her for lacking critical thinking ability. She buys into whatever people told her but never what I told her. She never sees me as intelligent, just smart mouthed.
This was heartwarming to read. I (too probably an INTP) grew up to a likely ESFP & ENFP family, and the lack of sharing of decider functions made me doubt if we would ever be able to see eye to eye. Seeing this comment reminded me that well, we don't necessarily have to right now, we can accept the differences and move on, and not settle on what is "true". Especially with ESFP, it would often look as if we aren't even speaking the same language (at least with ENFP our perceptions matched most of the time). I guess I don't necessarily have to agree with them to benefit from their perspective. And they don't need to agree with me for me to do my best to warn them when they get stuck with their Fi
@@33Jenesis maybe you had or have an unhealthy relationship with Fe because I have always had a good relationship with my mum who's ISFJ, and because of her my Si and Fe is really developed
I appreciate your recognising how a language barrier might affect your perceived personality. Not many people who only speak their native language in social situations understand this.
I have a series on the cognitive functions for anyone who wants to delve into them more. I didn't want to get too granular in this video since that's been done elsewhere on the channel. Many random thoughts crossed my mind that didn't make it into this video. One of these thoughts was that people - content creators in this case - understand and explain the types in different ways. Specifically, ways which emerge from their own type. Based on that, it makes sense to listen to many different people's explanations of the types and functions. One of those might resonate more with you. If I had to summarise the video in a few steps it would be as follows: 1. Consider factors that muddy the water (age, language barriers, sex, maturity, external pressure etc) so these can be accounted for and worked around. 2. Follow your physiological preferences i.e. figure out what makes you feel good/bad/drained/energised and so on. This is a great place to start when assessing the broad strokes of your personality. 3. Compare and contrast your traits with those around you with the aim of placing yourself on a spectrum. 4. Do the same as the above but with situations, ideally situations which everyone has to deal with so the comparisons are easier. 5. "Try on" different types. By trying to act like different types you'll be able to narrow down what feels the most natural to you. ~ Nathan
Another thing that can make it tricky is mental health. If, for example, you take an interest in trying to figure out your type when you are in the middle of a state of depression, you are likely to mistype since depression makes people think and behave quite differently than they usually do. The same goes for times when you are having a chronic illness. What can help here is to ask family members to tell you what you were like as a kid, or before you became ill, because when you are seriously ill for quite a while, it can become hard to remember what feeling healthy was like. Another tricky thing is to find out that you are not quite matching the descriptions of any type possibly because you simply don't think the way an average person does. Maybe you've had childhood traumas that have shaped the way you think. Moreover, you may find out that you were born with a mental condition such as mild downs syndrome, autism or brain damage of some sort. If that's the case, you simply aren't going to 100% fit any profile. I, for example, was born having such high fevers that I would sometimes hallucinate. My temps would get so high that I was in real danger of brain damage if my family didn't act quickly to bring my fever down. This finally went away when I was five without any of the many specialists we went to figuring it out for sure. On top of that, I had weak eye muscles so that I was unable to cross my eyes, track moving objects or even focus on a stationary object well enough to see it singly. I had double vision. This also means that I had no depth perception. The specialists didnt figure this out and come up with a solution until I was eight. The solution - eye exercises - only works if I do them regularly and if I'm not too tired. As you might imagine, these challenges made me miss out on a lot of things that most boys experience as kids. I was totally unlike my peers and quite unpopular. This was the 70's, long before the movement to reduce bullying got underway, especially in a small, rural town in the Midwest. These challenges, along with the personalities of the family members I spent most of my time with and perhaps genetics to some degree, made into the sort of person I am today. To keep a long story shorter, those characteristics match up, it turns out, with autism according to assessments that my wife and her colleagues had me take a few years ago. Therefore, it is difficult to put me squarely into one MBTI type. The closest we've come is a mix of INTJ, INFJ, INTP and INFP. In the enneagram theory I come out as Type 5 with aspects of both wing 3 and wing 4. Figuring this out has been interesting and difficult. There's still a lot of debate going on over how to type neurotypical people. Perhaps we need a new personality theory specifically for it.
I think a list of things you're terrible at, and things that make you naturally coil up into a ball, may be a faster way of whittling down the choices! Also, if you have a working knowledge of the functions, but could go either way on whether your preference for that function is introverted or extraverted (i.e. you're good at both), this is a good clue that it is higher up in your stack. If you definitely have a preference for one orientation over the other, and perhaps one sounds evil or alien, then this is a good clue that the major function letter is lower in your stack. For instance, let's pretend for the moment I don't yet know my type (I'm an INTJ). I find Ni and Ne tasks both quite easy, so that would put "N" up near the top somewhere. Ti and Te is much the same story, so that would also be up near the top somewhere for "T". Fi and Fe is a very different story. I know what I value very strongly, and have strong emotions underneath the mask, but I find other people baffling and make social blunders often. That would indicate "F" is lower down. As for Se and Si, I can relate to Se easily enough, but Si seems quite alien to me, and my understanding of it is more academic than natural lived experience. This would be a good clue for "S" being down the stack. After that point, you only have a few types to narrow in on.
This is so useful! Often the things we have trouble with are more indicative of what our type lacks. For me, it was pretty easy to lock down Fi (it just stood out) especially into my 20s. Then I could eliminate xSFP because I am terrible at the immediate response towards the outside world, and I rarely get thrills from sensory things. As a painter I'm also often distracted by my concept of color rather than the actual colors of the paint/pixels I see. So xNFP. Between INFP and ENFP is where I had a little bit of problem, but just as you said, I compared my adverse relation with Fe and Ni. Ni feels more like the critical (doomerist, self-limiting) and Fe more like the adversary (feeling directly attacked by it). Therefore, INFP.
@@johnknight9150 For example: do you seek new experiences, especially those that can be bodily felt? (That would be Se) When you feel through your senses, do you feel it as it is, living in the moment (Se) or do you search for your past experience and make comparison in order to understand what you're feeling (Si)? I'm more of the "drawing reference from past experience" type. Also, I have poor reflexes. Horrible at action video games. A lot of the time even Si dom people are better than me at this (They would be, because Se being their 5th function can also be strong by proxy through 1st). This is how I know I have Se low on my stack (4th 7th or 8th)
@@tuskinekinase Are there any types to whom you take instant dislike (probably undeserved)? I don't think we've even mentioned, Thinking, have we? That would be a good indicator of it being devalued! What's your view on Te vs Ti? Does one type seem immediately annoying, or maybe evil? Does one seem hard to relate to but strangely alluring? Do you wish you were proficient in one over the other?
As a type similar to yours, INTP, I would add that the reason for "bad reflexes" has more to do with our preferred types of daily activites. Usually cerebral ones. But with enough time to develop muscle memory, I find that I'm actually pretty comepent. It just akes me longer than other types to get good at an active video game, for example. So bad reflexes aren't something you're doomed to have. The nice thing, though, is when I'm in a situation to actually experience something physically - running, throwing something, swimming, even just mousing with my non-dominant hand (improves coordination AND builds neural networking, good to ward off Alzheimer's, also just in case the tendonitis in my dominant hand's wrist gets worse) - I find I enjoy being active for the sheer novelty of it. New experiences are fun.
"Contrast and compare": For me (INTP), the most challenging thing is to understand whether a person is I or E because being highly introverted, everyone tends to appear extroverted to me!
Yess i worked on all 16 types to see which one fit me by acting like them and got my type right. To do that it is better if you collect basic info about different characters of that type and get a basic idea what they act like and try that.
If you’re a Te dom whose first introverted function is Ni; and you’re around other introverts and other people who want you to be more polite or more emotional, you could present as an INFJ - and then decide the function order is wrong and then believe you’re an ISTP… but know intuitively that you’re actually an Extravert, but you also like to work alone on lots of things (because people don’t always like you being in charge). If you know that your intuition is introverted because options overload you as opposed to filling you with possibility - then Te Se Ni Fi… ENTJ. But people might SEE you as an INTJ. Then, you take some personality test that is kind of accurate and you respond with lots of consideration, you come out as Fi Ni Se Te (ISFP) or Ni Fi Te Se (INTJ) as a close second… why? Because you’re a maturing Te Se Ni Fi who is living in their SHADOW because you can’t be who you are/were… you’re made to live in that Fi world that you didn’t want to be in - which IS the Te world, but just the other side of that coin. But when I think about my entire life and who I was at each period of time and how I grew and when things “turned on”… ENTJ is so IMMEDIATELY obvious. Born mechanically inclined, school was very easy, I said what was on my mind (not ever thinking I was hurting someone, that was nothing I wanted to do ever); I was very active; but also LOVED video games, especially RPGs. But got really good at platformers, etc… couldn’t have many friends because I was bullied and tormented constantly for being a RUNT named Tarzan. And my parents didn’t have too many friends. So, relative isolation. I was really good at Taekwondo by age 9, though. Very coordinated. Can still learn anything I want. Anyway, at 39 years old… Facing Fi for the last 10 years has been an EXISTENTIAL NIGHTMARE. Cutting out all the reasons why. Identity has always eluded me in a general sense… and building skills was my means of trying to find out who I was. Always with a sense of destiny.
I found that combining the enneagram with the cognitive functions REALLY made up for all the fundamental differences I was still seeing in people who share the same MBTI type. It’s scary accurate.
As an INTJ, stereotypically I should not have many facial expressions... And it is true for me. My face literally hurts when I act like any other type. Also I most often have to act as an ISFJ [that's how my situation is] and sometimes my bf asks me to act natural and tell him my true thoughts. The next thing he usually ask me is to stop being mean and sarcastic. But it's just so easy. Sarcastic jokes are the easiest thing to do. And I know my puns are good, because people eaither laugh or send OOOOOH meme [or cry]
I actually found that it was learning about the cognitive functions that solidified my confidence in my type. I always waffled between INTJ and INTP-- I felt like I was either regularly failing at the J or overcoming my P, and I do actually relate to a lot of traits of both. It was comparing the cognitive functions that really brought it into focus for me. I go through shorter periods of wondering if my 'N' is real or not, but I rarely have much doubt about it. I've also wondered whether my T/F is really as pronounced as I think it is, but again, I don't have to think about it very long to conclude that I am definitely a Thinker type. It's kind of interesting to me that in terms of the INTJ vs INTP thing, in a lot of ways it is easier for me to think of myself as a 'failed' INTJ rather than an INTP who has sufficiently mastered the fine art of adulting to the extent that I can fool people into thinking I'm better at it than I am.
I would suggest to see how you deal with Si and Fi being the cognitive functions in the third slot. If you are an Intj you will be more confortable with Fi and Si being a pain in the ass, being the 8th function. Same reasoning applies to Si and Fi to Intp i believe. I had the same situation and I wasn't sure if I was an Intj or Intp But I am now sure I am more Intj than Intp. By the loops Ni-Fi and the Se grips confirmed my Mbti being the Intj. Still have much respect for my introverted analysis cousin Intps. You are one bunch of smart people, glad you are in this world
I felt like this too, but nah, I'm definitely a not so overachiever INTJ, given the cognitive functions. Maybe question if you feel closer to Fi vs Fe and Se vs Si if you want a clearer picture? And compare yourself to other people with these functions, to see how much you relate to them and how much their approaches confuse you?
Typing myself is some kind of a curse.. Sometimes i act like an entp and other time like an intj, and i do both quite good to be honest. Sometimes i love to poke people, play with words and troll everyone, be somewhat of a smartass clown. Other time i become a bit of misanthropic and go hermit mode, do a planning and prepare effective routines, think about the future and cant emulate friendliness as i do as entp-like. So im torn between this very similar yet very different types, haha.
Appreciate the video! Good tips... as an ISFP I always am thinking about myself and ways to develop. I biked on a beach (in forest which no one goes) just an half an hour ago and at the same time I realized that I'm not an ESFP but I just tend to have a mask like the ESFP to keep my true self hidden. If people around me have similar values I can be my true self around em' but that has never been the case. I don't care if I'm an ESFP or ISFP but I figured I'm an ISFP as my automatic mode is self-awareness and not Se.
I stumbled across all this about two years ago and it was life-changing. Multiple versions of the MBTI tests, plus of course all the breakdowns and explications of the function stack, testified with adamant unanimity (and along with that goes how vividly it "clicked" with me, of course) that I'm an INFP. But you know, something was still missing, somehow not fully clicking. There were aspects of the "textbook" INFP, particularly its perhaps stereotypically "spacey", hippie-flower-child-ish qualities, that, while, yes, I could definitely understand them, on some level relate to them, even perceive how at times in my life I was inclined in that direction, the simple fact was that they were definitely NOT who I am now, indeed they signalled something I more or less consciously rejected, even if that rejection developed over a long evolution. I will add that further refining my type to an INFP-T added helpful nuance, but, still, some piece of the puzzle was missing. Then I did the Enneagram test and came out as a 4w5, and the descriptions given for a 4w5 definitely rang true with me. But the-e-e-nnn....I thought, "Has anyone examined what it means to be an INFP 4w5?" I hunted for it on Google and discovered that, yes indeed, they had. It was when I read about an INFP 4w5, and, significantly, the ways in which an INFP 4w5 veers away from the "textbook" INFP in certain respects--and what do you know, they were precisely the respects I had long felt were off-kilter for me in the standard model--that it all came together like magic.
Myers gave me INFP 4 out of 10 takes with the remaining being INTP, while the Big Five test gave me ENTP every single time. I came to the realization that when I was taking Myers I was in a moment of selfpity/isolation, Whereas when I took the Big Five, I actually wanted to find something with some scientific background and I answered all the questions fluidly with confidence rather than trying to think back to specific moments in my life. At first I thought I related to all the INFP traits, until I saw ENTP. But also just looking at the constants, in my case “NP”, helped a lot.
@@KiraX2lol Yes, I have retaken several tests across a span of time and in different "moods," out of concern that a single test could reflect a passing state of mind and not a "hard-wired" one. But they unfailingly came out as INFP. Funny, when I first stumbled across all this and started watching various videos on it, the videos presenting INFJ characteristics repeatedly struck me as far more like me than INFP. But, no, the tests never produced an INFJ result for me. Finally, it was the combination INFP 4w5 that brought crystal clarity, let me see what it was about the "textbook" INFP profile that had seemed just a bit off-kilter for me.
Think of our brain as a computer. The introverted part represents the software. The extraverted part is the hardware. If you are an introvert, than relying more on the software (inner part) may feel like a natural first reaction rather than active engagement in the external environment. And vice versa for extraverts. Life teaches us to balance. Heavily relying on X makes us neglect the much needed Y. In order to solve life’s challenges that are presented to us, we need to figure out how to properly use all of our cognitive functions (software + hardware). Let’s reframe things. Is it hard to look inside someone’s mind (even our own) and be able to say which cognitive functions we use? Probably. Since it is highly abstract in nature, this will represent a challenge for most of us. So, how can we reframe the “problem”? Decode information and search for connection between it and cognitive preference. Yes, it is scientific. No, it doesn’t change over time. 1. You may become better at learning how to use your cognition in order to function better. 2. Experiencing changes in life means that you will fill you database with new variables and mind content. Best case scenario, you will learn to rely on your lateral thinking ability and look at things differently while remaining open to possibilities. Worst case scenario, it will represent an unmovable barrier between you and the world. I will leave a word associations below to each cognitive function. In case you are interested, you can do further research on those and find the truth on your own. The best way for us to learn is through direct exposure to information. We train our mind to think deeply and make individual synaptic connections free from those being conditioned by others. Ti - logical reasoning, Fe - group cohesion (external sensitivity to the needs of others), Te - metrics based approach, Fi - wheel of emotions (internal emotional sensitivity), Se - form of concrete thinking that relies on exteroceptors, Si - interoceptors and homeostasis, Ne - brainstorming, Ni - mind mapping. Ti and Te are both focused on data analysis. Fi and Fe are both attuned to remaining connected to an emotional component (either personal or shared with a group). Si and Se are forms of concrete thinking. Ni and Ne are forms of abstract thinking. Engaging in deeper analysis and evaluating things individually could help you fill in the blanks and gradually become aware of you personal cognitive preferences.
Solid advice. Its one of the things that made me suspect I'm an INFJ now that I'm older. I mean, there's the whole 'external validation ' aspect to extroverts, too, that ive been working on.
Respectfully, I think one simply needs to understand the first principles (i.e., the cognitive functions) and extrapolate from there. This, despite the fact that I'm aware that most people aren't capable of this. Signed, an INTJ
Lmaoooo That's true tho, I always see people around wondering and joggling with functions and loose the meaning of last mentioned. People nitpicking some details around main point and feel lost, that's why they're confused
I think you left out another factor that is fairly important and that is, mental disorders. People with certain Personality Disorders and the like may act in different ways that may depend on their self states of mind. Their identities can be fragile and less adherent to stereotypes.
We all have three "types": 1) Our public persona, that we project onto most people. This is the most curated and often a complete fabrication just to enable us to function in society 2) Our private persona, that we project onto our "Nearest and dearest". This is also curated, maybe less so, but often times a partial or complete fabrication too. 3) Our personal person, that only we know about. Our real self. No one see's this, often not even our own consciousness until we find ourselves in extreme stress situations. And because we happily lie to ourselves this is also at least a partial fabrication. Thus the reason people get "Typing" others wrong is because they only really see a persons public persona. And The reason people get "Typing" themselves wrong is because they only really see a mashup of all three personas...all of which are a fabrication to a greater or lesser extent. So to have a hope of even getting close to typing somone else we need to get to know them at a private level at least, and have a hope of getting close to typing ourselves we need to stop lying to ourselves and lose the curated mashups we like to show everyone. The best (and only) way to observe someones real personality (especially ourselves) is to put them under extreme stress repeatedly. This is exactly what military basic training does. Everything else will at best produce a lie more or less. Be really honest: When is the last time you held a mirror up to yourself and were brutally and utterly honest about your behaviours?
@@Pabz2030 INTP here. That may be for some, but it's not always that extreme. I act pretty much consistently true to type wherever I am. Even to the point where I break certain social rules despite knowing people will think me weird or slightly rude or even juvenile for it - like ducking under a length of chain to join a line of people (behind the last person, not to cut the line) instead of following a longer, convoluted path. Different personas come from which behavior is called for by which situations. But the underlying person still chooses the persona to display in a given situation. What behaviors they choose reflect their type. In my above example, INTPs are often considered slightly clueless to social standards. Really, I think we just choose to ignore those social conventions that aren't important. I duck under gates because it's the straightest way to the target location - especially if it's the end of the day and I have sore, throbbing feet. It's not obliviousness. Social censure is something I just choose to ignore in situations like that. By the same token, I often break into sprints inside large buildings just to get where I'm going faster. Running is healthy. My logic is, why not take the opportunity to get my circulation going, raise my energy level, and brain processing power? When people assume I'm late, I tell them, "No, this is how I wake up in the morning." A two-minute sprint from the car does it superbly. No need for coffee or other stimulants. I run even when other people automatically say, "Don't run inside the building" which has been drilled into us all from childhood (ever wonder if we'd all be way healthier if that was not the case?). Yes, you might run into someone, but I've been doing it for 30 years and I think it happened maybe once, and not particularly hard. I don't run at full speed, so I can swerve around things in my path. I run intelligently, not mindlessly. I run even when it embarrasses the people I'm with. I tell them they ought to run, too. Sometimes they do. The funny thing is, at home you'd think I had a completely different persona. I'm sedentary when at home, in front of a screen of one kind or another, or doing crafts at a desk. But I'm the same person, with the same logic. I may behave differently in different circumstances, but they're all according to my type's logic.
Anyone new to the typing community should see this video, so much confusion and mistypes could be avoided if people took it slowly and were reasonable about it. It would also do good for the reputation of mbti if people didn't just identify themselves with a label a random website gave them because at that point it really is just astrology, and instead focused on learning and self reflection.
I suspect that looking for stress responses and associating those with function 4 can be helpful. What do I/others suddenly focus on when stressed out that we don’t in the everyday? When stressed, I suddenly care a lot about about efficiency and am bothered by clutter (Te). I’ve similarly seen some pretty clear patterns regarding Function 8 and attempts to exert control. When I feel the need to make things go my way, I try to argue logic or delve into research in order to argue (Ti). Another key here is that these attempts (in my case arguments) are rarely successful at fixing the situation; they’re usually just distractions/a side show. The reason I think these might be some of the best places to start are because they tend to be uncharacteristic and dramatic behaviors, but you can use them to start making educated guesses about the more subtle everyday patterns. So in typing myself, I might start by looking at what two types have Te/Ti in the 4th/8th slots.
I tend to switch between the functions Ti, Se, Ni and Fe. ESTP when I'm drinking copious amounts in a group of people, ENFJ at various times with my kid and INFJ oddly, when I've been interested in someone. But for the most part I'm ISTP. True to form, I wondered if I was an INFJ but that's been laid to rest. I realise being conditioned to be a woman has in some ways, strengthened my Fe probably more so than my male counterparts. Good shit as usual Nathan. Your insight is always cleverly crafted and easily consumable for the masses.
For a long time i thought and hopped i was ISTP, then i saw a real one and it was immediately obvious im just an INTP who figured out how to use drill lmao. The biggest giveaway for me was my random thoughts and rambling when im around people i know my whole life. When you get me going with interesting topics i just cant stop. And the looks on peoples faces are also a clue. High Ne just seeps out of me.
Oh! Trying out different types sounds fun, but I would have to plan it. A spreadsheet, or at least a notebook, to record the results. What did I eat? How did others react? Did I want to quit my job or move to a smaller home? Pretty sure I am INFJ, but tested INTJ for a while. Work in an analytical/chemistry/engineering environment. Many said I was too free sharing ideas and helping others so I finally tried being more self-centered...for a week. Horrible! Productivity went down. Motivation went down. I just needed to help others in ways which were more mutually beneficial. Worthwhile experiment. Rather than risk damaging relationships, is there a better place to try the other types on? I would want something where you actually are trying to get something done, but failing at it wouldn't be too big a risk. ENFJ may be fun. I could walk in those clothes for a while. ESFP would be scary, but I may learn something...if I didn't over plan it. LOL! Definitely N and J, so experimenting with S and P would be just for fun. Great to have an ESFP friend for balance, but...wow! Plus the E, which I have to schedule for!!! Oh shoot! Forget it! Even as an experiment it is way too much!
I agree with the Try it on approach. Initially i tried many tests and delved into MBTI a lot. Later i would assume a best guess and see for few weeks if it is the right answer. I have gone from INFP to INFJ to ISFP, then ISFJ,then INTP and then back to INFP. I wore the hat for around 3 weeks for each type. I am still open to changing my type if i dont identify with INFP anymore.
I thought sex was about another thing. Personally i think it is very intriguing to study attractiveness using this cpt model. I have been fascinated by why i become attracted to someone vs how i fall in love with someone, and to what extent it relates back to relations in the brain
👍like how u encourage not focusing on the Functions at first-- At first just focus on the skeleton, ...not how the bones connect to the muscles, etc ... (that comes later on)
What on earth is this accent? It sounds like he came from Belgium by way of South Africa into Ireland and finally settled somewhere in England. This question has been troubling me for the last two weeks of my life.
I definitely agree with 'trying on' different types. Over the couple of years that I've been interested in typology, I've found that to be the most enjoyable part of the process to getting to know and understand myself better 😄I think it's also important to remember not to take it all too seriously, at the end of the day we're all just humans trying to connect better with other humans and someone's actual type shouldn't matter that much when trying to do this. That being said, I very much enjoy learning about this and continue to find the world of personality fascinating. This channel has really helped me to discover parts about myself and other people that I didn't know about, so thank you ❤
Same here lmao, hopefully this video helps me figure it out a little more You know, it would be interesting to have a chat with you and compare myself to somebody else in the same situation
As an INTP & INTJ I find it amusing how some people are so little self aware. Like yesterday I got an anonymous text from someone abusing me but I'm in that phase of my life where my priorities have shifted. How should I deal with immature people as an INTJ or rather the introvert + observant type?
8:00 that is exactly what I did and it feels validating to hear although I differ from your opinion with the functions. I love looking at the functions yet I don't limit it by definition yet I take it as a conceptual chunk of information. I will say that I cycled through a lot of types that were fun to explore ans I developed my functions in a more balanced way with that practice.
I'm an ENFP and it took me a long time to accept that as my type because I have self control and I am responsible I get things done. Which people constantly told me was not like an ENFP and I had to research it on my own.
I actually have a friend who got ENFP but I would have bet money on him being an ENTP (like me) back in the day with how he would talk about things. I think I even questioned him a lot on it while I was trying to figure out type, which may have unintentionally hurt his feelings. I will say from my own experience, Fi is really hard to "see" if you will. Maybe I just don't know what to look for as a Ti Fe user. But I realize now that just cus you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there. I've seen a few of my other Fi friends get questioned a lot by non-Fi user (me being a bit guilty of it as well). I think it's really admirable to stand ground on what you feel is right even when those around you question or second guess you, is what I'm trying to say. Man i'm bad with my words. Hope all the Fi user out there live their best lives and don't let us Fe or Thinking types tell you otherwise. (but I'd love a peek into the Fi world to understand it better one of these day)
@@leucisticcrow85 Well thank you. I know who I am and hearing people affirm that always feels good. What I think you did well is that you recognize your faults and what you did wrong. You regret what you did and what you can do know is try to be better and seek forgiveness. I think you're being a little too hard on yourself.
bro 8:05 was such a call-out, I was so confused before so I thought I'll just try them all out maybe every year or month whatever, just some integrations, idk if it's working but I'm getting more and more confused but hey maybe this is just part of the process
Still, I think, Nathan's approach of key dichotomy questions is relevant as well. It's like some close types or most often mistyped types may have several similar properties, but there is a question (or questions), the answer to which can strictly define where you belong and where you don't. That's how I realised I'm not an INTP, though someone can type me as one in situations when I feel safe. ***** Also, concerning situations: can some types act in different ways depending on the situation (e.g., I'm a pretty collected, nervous and avoidant on public INTJ, but in a narrow circle of friends I can organise a funny (sometimes creepy) mess that is more expectable from some ENFJ/ENFP); or it is a mistype? And who are you actually - the one who deals with public and the wider world or the one who manifests oneself in a safespace? Also, can we say that introverts are people with a certain social mental trauma which deprived them from enjoying active contacts with society?
Traumatic experiences can make someone who is biologically extroverted (under stimulated) avoiding social interactions, but such person would still be dominated by extroverted functions in every other aspect of life, than people, technically would be still EXXX in MBTI.
I actually miss typed as a INTP on the tests and often was referred to as introverted or ambivert. Trauma in my younger life made me appear introverted but I actually acted more Anit-social than introverted. I'm an ENTP but act like my Shadow type, a messed up INTJ when I'm stressed, upset, or enraged. Thats the Dark side of ENTP. I think understanding my shadow helped with my personal growth. I've been working on my communication skills and anger management skills to get the parts of myself i disliked under control. It's not perfect but I find even just knowing these things helps and could be a good door into to figure out your True type. That and the cognitive functions.
@@ParteniaAjmaq so intp with adhd is entp? Im speaking about myself, int adhd? Ne or adhd? Ti or suppression of emotions? You know what, I think I fall so far out the norm that I don't need typing anyway, prolly not made for fellows like I
@@7Bobby7 ADHD is not the same thing as being cognitevely extroverted, those are two separate things, but any neurodivergency can mess with process of typing. If You don't feel like using typing, don't force it, at end it should be only tool to help us understand ourselves and others better.
This is a good content for ones who still try to find their type. But actually method acting on a type NEEDS understanding about cognitive functions of that type 😅 As an ISTJ, i just randomly take the test 4 years ago, then forget about it, and 2 years ago come back research about it 😂 For sensors it's easier i guess. But i use MBTI, Enneagram and Tritype system, to myself or when listen to TV, or other people around. It's not always right when i guess their type if i don't interact with them a lot. But still, those are useful and interesting personality tools to understand about other people, how their mind works and to interact with them more efficiently and correctly.
I try Fe still don't get it and weird. Trying social norms and weird. Trying small talk but don't know how to play along, especially if I get the feeling tribe want me to start first and open 😂
you know you're an INTJ when you're capable of accurately guessing or figuring out most people's motives and seldom become surprised when some lousy actors or unreliable individuals act strangely
You probably won't like your type. Well, i'm a ISFJ, so i might be biased saying that. Furthermore, if you see that certain types are rarer, you naturally would want to be them. And on top of that, everyone wants to hide their weak points while ignoring their strenghths, focusing on a secondary or tertiary function, so to speak.
Because you feel observed when speaking your native tongue - but when speaking English, you have an excuse; as well as it’s considered okay to say ALMOST anything you want to say in English… because, regardless of what the lying world says, English speaking people are among those who are least racist and more interested in other cultures - HENCE the reason English spread so far and became the language of business and politics and now media in general.
I'm not too sure about the "fake it til you find yourself"-approach. Not as if the mbti-community wasn't already full enough with LARPs of people who stagnate in masks. Just read Jung already, read Myers-Briggs, read about socionics and different approaches to Typology. It's an act of "gnothi seauton", not a musical.
But if let's say one wants to determine if they are INTP or ENTP using this approach to eliminate bias, considering that both use Ti and Ne as higher functions and Fe and Si as lower functions, wouldn't lets say faking to be lets say ENTP by trying to use Ne not be much indication if one is either one of the two because an ne aux will still use ne much like an entp?
Furthermore wouldn't lets say trying to use the inferior function of either of these types more and see how one reacts show if one is either one of those types accurately?
@@DrAtom314 why would you even want to know your "type" if you couldn't just look at your (past) behavior and clearly see, how you seem to function? The reason for people being unsure is them not knowing anything about the topic at all except for internet memes and midwit videos. READ THE THEORY and you will gradually understand. There is no INTP who is unsure whether he is an ENTP, only and INTP who doesn't even know what ENTP actually means.
I think your suggestion would work wonders in the intuitive, thinking realm; the suggestion in the video seems like great advice in the sensing, feeling realm. I don't think the suggestion was to assume a random type and stay in it forever, rather to try and evaluate how comfortable or uncomfortable the role feels. Also, some people benefit more from action and experience than from reading theory.
@@LeafLeafy How do you know you're "acting as a certain type" if you don't reeeeeeally know what that type actually means except for stereotypes? Understanding this specific realm of Typology will leave no doubt. 'Sensors and feelers' do not not 'think'.
So methodical, and so many "third rails." Didn't anyone tell you not to touch or, or do anything to the third rail? How am I supposed to make any money this way?
Is there anyone who is well versed in typology who wants to help me type myself? I feel like I can fit into any type and it’s so confusing. I can genuinely see myself as any type.
Okay let's start with do you feel drained after you've hung out with a crowd of people at a social gathering or someplace? If you resonate with feeling drained like you need to spend some time alone after that or maybe sleep like a baby after that, then you might be an Introvert first
I think that looking at your closest family can help determine your type, given that behaviour is clearly shaped by environment AND genetics. I mistyped as an introvert, as I am not very social and I prefer being alone and doing my own stuff; even as a child I was able to entertain myself and have always been extremely happy being alone with my inner life and process. However, when I did in depth analysis of behavioural patterns of my obviously introverted husband and myself, I found that the way I relate to people when around them, be that professionally or in close relationships, the ease with which I spring to action in any circumstance, the general lack of social awkwardness, or any type or socially infuced fear (public speach, leading meetings etc.) had me thinking. Then I realized that my mother, father and sister are all ENxx types, I researched about my extroverded "counterpart" personality and it all finally made sense: I am not very extroverted extroverted EN type 😅
I think I had a similar mistype happen. I always got introverted on test (didn't sounded quite right) and even most my younger life friends and family called me introverted or "anti-social" (though i now know anti-social is the wrong term now.) I have some social fears due to trauma from when I was a kid (which i read could make you look introverted.) I found a term called Ambivert that confused me but fit my ~kinda introverted kinda extroverted nature.~ I did some digging and realized that the problem wasn't that I was just a very emotional INTP or a very aggressive INFP but was actually an ENTP. An ENTP that shadows out into their INTJ when their angry. (not sure if i fully get shadow types yet, still learning but i think i got it. But who knows. Don't quote me on anything. I'm still looking for friends that really like MBTI to compare findings with. Might join the Love Who discord but I always kinda ghost servers.) For the family side of things, I was mostly raised by my grandfather, a former Marian. I wasn't overly attached to most my family. However, I recently came to spend some family time with my Grandpa and Mother who live right next door of each other. My mom is going for her, i think Psychology Master or maybe she's started the PHD I forget. She studied different types of personalities and tests and said she felt they were all lacking something. She is an INTJ and said Grandpa would actually be an INFJ which confused me at first but as I said, he was a Marian, and they train you suppress or hide your emotions. But looking at my family there are a lot of N types which are Ni (introverted intuition) so my Ne asking questions and coming up with all these new (but not asked for) ideas wasn't always supported. I mean even now I can see the energy drain out my mother's face when I talk for more than 10 minutes. How people thought I was this overly energetic introvert that talks a lot, will always amuse me.
I have a video series on the cognitive functions for anyone who wants to delve more deeply into it. I didn't want to get too granular in this video since that's been done elsewhere on the channel.
I have many random thoughts on this topic that didn't make it into the video. One of these was that people - content creators in this case - have different ways of understanding and explaining the types. Specifically, these emerge from the personality type of the person communicating the information. Our own type influences the way we see the other types. Based on that, it makes sense to listen to many different people explaining these things. You might find that you resonate better with other descriptions and approaches.
If I had to summarise this video in steps it would be as follows:
1. Identify factors (age, sex, language barriers, external pressure, maturity etc) that might muddy the water so they can be accounted for and worked around.
2. Follow your physiological feelings. Figure out what feels good/bad/draining/energising and so on. These reactions will give you a good foundation for seeing the skeleton of your personality.
3. Contrast and compare your traits with the people around you with the aim of placing yourself on a spectrum. Be honest with yourself during this. You might be decent at something but not great at it or kind of bad but not terrible. Not everything will be extreme.
4. Do the same as the above except for situations. Try to make these situations and scenarios that many people encounter so you can see a wide variety of approaches.
5. "Try on" different types. Basically, act like a certain type to see whether it feels natural to you. That will be a great barometer. If you can't approach life like a certain type then it's unlikely to be your true type.
(I typed this comment out once before but it seems like RUclips screwed me over and deleted it)
~ Nathan
The cognitive function's video was very helpful to me. It was informative and helped in typing!
How do I get unbanned from your discord Server?
Nathan I had a question ..I have recently become aware that I have adhd...something I should have noticed long long ago..anyhow I noticed that a lot of the symptoms of it line up with my type (intp) have you noticed this might be more prevalent for some types?
@@arozinos863 i want to get unbanned too. Why dont they have an appeal
Suzy q has kicked me so many times
It's interesting to see people's weaker functions become stronger over time. My father (ESFJ) and I (INTP) had a rocky relationship for a couple decades. He had no idea how to interact with me when I was young. I didn't respond to anything in a way with which he could relate. Likewise, I felt completely misunderstood and lonely for many years. We both tried, but common ground was hard to find. All the same functions, just with a different hierarchy. Now, after nearly half a century, we get along great. We still process things differently, but we've found we most often come to the same conclusions, even if we take very different paths to come to those conclusions. I certainly appreciate that MANY of the "because that's the way it's always been" Si-isms I grew up with actually DO hold up under scrutiny and can be backed up with empirical data... and he certainly seems to appreciate when I tell him I can now see that he was right... and sometimes guide him through areas where he was wrong, as he's actually developed the ability to revise his opinions to a degree I never imagined possible. Who'd've thought?
Same thing's happening with my stepdad and I! And same mirroring effect of the functions, he's ISTJ and I'm ENFP.
My mother (ISFJ) and I (intp) don’t see eye to eye since I was born. I left home at 19. I took her in 2 years ago to take care for her. We still get on each other’s nerves living under one roof. I hate her for lacking critical thinking ability. She buys into whatever people told her but never what I told her. She never sees me as intelligent, just smart mouthed.
This was heartwarming to read. I (too probably an INTP) grew up to a likely ESFP & ENFP family, and the lack of sharing of decider functions made me doubt if we would ever be able to see eye to eye. Seeing this comment reminded me that well, we don't necessarily have to right now, we can accept the differences and move on, and not settle on what is "true". Especially with ESFP, it would often look as if we aren't even speaking the same language (at least with ENFP our perceptions matched most of the time). I guess I don't necessarily have to agree with them to benefit from their perspective. And they don't need to agree with me for me to do my best to warn them when they get stuck with their Fi
@@33Jenesis maybe you had or have an unhealthy relationship with Fe because I have always had a good relationship with my mum who's ISFJ, and because of her my Si and Fe is really developed
This is me (intp) and my mom (esfj) HAHAHAHAH
As a female INTP I'm constantly forced to use my Fe to fit in and be more nuturing and it drains me so much I hate it.
I appreciate your recognising how a language barrier might affect your perceived personality. Not many people who only speak their native language in social situations understand this.
I have a series on the cognitive functions for anyone who wants to delve into them more. I didn't want to get too granular in this video since that's been done elsewhere on the channel.
Many random thoughts crossed my mind that didn't make it into this video. One of these thoughts was that people - content creators in this case - understand and explain the types in different ways. Specifically, ways which emerge from their own type. Based on that, it makes sense to listen to many different people's explanations of the types and functions. One of those might resonate more with you.
If I had to summarise the video in a few steps it would be as follows:
1. Consider factors that muddy the water (age, language barriers, sex, maturity, external pressure etc) so these can be accounted for and worked around.
2. Follow your physiological preferences i.e. figure out what makes you feel good/bad/drained/energised and so on. This is a great place to start when assessing the broad strokes of your personality.
3. Compare and contrast your traits with those around you with the aim of placing yourself on a spectrum.
4. Do the same as the above but with situations, ideally situations which everyone has to deal with so the comparisons are easier.
5. "Try on" different types. By trying to act like different types you'll be able to narrow down what feels the most natural to you.
~ Nathan
Yes, my master! Soon the jedi will be vanished.
Another thing that can make it tricky is mental health. If, for example, you take an interest in trying to figure out your type when you are in the middle of a state of depression, you are likely to mistype since depression makes people think and behave quite differently than they usually do. The same goes for times when you are having a chronic illness. What can help here is to ask family members to tell you what you were like as a kid, or before you became ill, because when you are seriously ill for quite a while, it can become hard to remember what feeling healthy was like.
Another tricky thing is to find out that you are not quite matching the descriptions of any type possibly because you simply don't think the way an average person does. Maybe you've had childhood traumas that have shaped the way you think. Moreover, you may find out that you were born with a mental condition such as mild downs syndrome, autism or brain damage of some sort. If that's the case, you simply aren't going to 100% fit any profile.
I, for example, was born having such high fevers that I would sometimes hallucinate. My temps would get so high that I was in real danger of brain damage if my family didn't act quickly to bring my fever down. This finally went away when I was five without any of the many specialists we went to figuring it out for sure.
On top of that, I had weak eye muscles so that I was unable to cross my eyes, track moving objects or even focus on a stationary object well enough to see it singly. I had double vision. This also means that I had no depth perception. The specialists didnt figure this out and come up with a solution until I was eight. The solution - eye exercises - only works if I do them regularly and if I'm not too tired.
As you might imagine, these challenges made me miss out on a lot of things that most boys experience as kids. I was totally unlike my peers and quite unpopular. This was the 70's, long before the movement to reduce bullying got underway, especially in a small, rural town in the Midwest.
These challenges, along with the personalities of the family members I spent most of my time with and perhaps genetics to some degree, made into the sort of person I am today.
To keep a long story shorter, those characteristics match up, it turns out, with autism according to assessments that my wife and her colleagues had me take a few years ago.
Therefore, it is difficult to put me squarely into one MBTI type. The closest we've come is a mix of INTJ, INFJ, INTP and INFP. In the enneagram theory I come out as Type 5 with aspects of both wing 3 and wing 4.
Figuring this out has been interesting and difficult. There's still a lot of debate going on over how to type neurotypical people. Perhaps we need a new personality theory specifically for it.
I think a list of things you're terrible at, and things that make you naturally coil up into a ball, may be a faster way of whittling down the choices!
Also, if you have a working knowledge of the functions, but could go either way on whether your preference for that function is introverted or extraverted (i.e. you're good at both), this is a good clue that it is higher up in your stack. If you definitely have a preference for one orientation over the other, and perhaps one sounds evil or alien, then this is a good clue that the major function letter is lower in your stack.
For instance, let's pretend for the moment I don't yet know my type (I'm an INTJ). I find Ni and Ne tasks both quite easy, so that would put "N" up near the top somewhere. Ti and Te is much the same story, so that would also be up near the top somewhere for "T". Fi and Fe is a very different story. I know what I value very strongly, and have strong emotions underneath the mask, but I find other people baffling and make social blunders often. That would indicate "F" is lower down. As for Se and Si, I can relate to Se easily enough, but Si seems quite alien to me, and my understanding of it is more academic than natural lived experience. This would be a good clue for "S" being down the stack.
After that point, you only have a few types to narrow in on.
This is so useful! Often the things we have trouble with are more indicative of what our type lacks. For me, it was pretty easy to lock down Fi (it just stood out) especially into my 20s. Then I could eliminate xSFP because I am terrible at the immediate response towards the outside world, and I rarely get thrills from sensory things. As a painter I'm also often distracted by my concept of color rather than the actual colors of the paint/pixels I see. So xNFP. Between INFP and ENFP is where I had a little bit of problem, but just as you said, I compared my adverse relation with Fe and Ni. Ni feels more like the critical (doomerist, self-limiting) and Fe more like the adversary (feeling directly attacked by it). Therefore, INFP.
@@tuskinekinase Can you describe your feeling towards sensation? How do Se and Si compare to each other?
@@johnknight9150 For example: do you seek new experiences, especially those that can be bodily felt? (That would be Se) When you feel through your senses, do you feel it as it is, living in the moment (Se) or do you search for your past experience and make comparison in order to understand what you're feeling (Si)? I'm more of the "drawing reference from past experience" type. Also, I have poor reflexes. Horrible at action video games. A lot of the time even Si dom people are better than me at this (They would be, because Se being their 5th function can also be strong by proxy through 1st). This is how I know I have Se low on my stack (4th 7th or 8th)
@@tuskinekinase Are there any types to whom you take instant dislike (probably undeserved)?
I don't think we've even mentioned, Thinking, have we? That would be a good indicator of it being devalued!
What's your view on Te vs Ti? Does one type seem immediately annoying, or maybe evil? Does one seem hard to relate to but strangely alluring? Do you wish you were proficient in one over the other?
As a type similar to yours, INTP, I would add that the reason for "bad reflexes" has more to do with our preferred types of daily activites. Usually cerebral ones. But with enough time to develop muscle memory, I find that I'm actually pretty comepent. It just akes me longer than other types to get good at an active video game, for example. So bad reflexes aren't something you're doomed to have.
The nice thing, though, is when I'm in a situation to actually experience something physically - running, throwing something, swimming, even just mousing with my non-dominant hand (improves coordination AND builds neural networking, good to ward off Alzheimer's, also just in case the tendonitis in my dominant hand's wrist gets worse) - I find I enjoy being active for the sheer novelty of it. New experiences are fun.
"Contrast and compare": For me (INTP), the most challenging thing is to understand whether a person is I or E because being highly introverted, everyone tends to appear extroverted to me!
The point about a language barrier made me feel so seen😅 It's really hard to act like yourself if you can't express it properly
Yess i worked on all 16 types to see which one fit me by acting like them and got my type right.
To do that it is better if you collect basic info about different characters of that type and get a basic idea what they act like and try that.
If you’re a Te dom whose first introverted function is Ni; and you’re around other introverts and other people who want you to be more polite or more emotional, you could present as an INFJ - and then decide the function order is wrong and then believe you’re an ISTP… but know intuitively that you’re actually an Extravert, but you also like to work alone on lots of things (because people don’t always like you being in charge). If you know that your intuition is introverted because options overload you as opposed to filling you with possibility - then Te Se Ni Fi… ENTJ. But people might SEE you as an INTJ. Then, you take some personality test that is kind of accurate and you respond with lots of consideration, you come out as Fi Ni Se Te (ISFP) or Ni Fi Te Se (INTJ) as a close second… why?
Because you’re a maturing Te Se Ni Fi who is living in their SHADOW because you can’t be who you are/were… you’re made to live in that Fi world that you didn’t want to be in - which IS the Te world, but just the other side of that coin.
But when I think about my entire life and who I was at each period of time and how I grew and when things “turned on”…
ENTJ is so IMMEDIATELY obvious. Born mechanically inclined, school was very easy, I said what was on my mind (not ever thinking I was hurting someone, that was nothing I wanted to do ever); I was very active; but also LOVED video games, especially RPGs. But got really good at platformers, etc… couldn’t have many friends because I was bullied and tormented constantly for being a RUNT named Tarzan. And my parents didn’t have too many friends. So, relative isolation. I was really good at Taekwondo by age 9, though. Very coordinated. Can still learn anything I want. Anyway, at 39 years old… Facing Fi for the last 10 years has been an EXISTENTIAL NIGHTMARE. Cutting out all the reasons why.
Identity has always eluded me in a general sense… and building skills was my means of trying to find out who I was.
Always with a sense of destiny.
I found that combining the enneagram with the cognitive functions REALLY made up for all the fundamental differences I was still seeing in people who share the same MBTI type. It’s scary accurate.
As an INTJ, stereotypically I should not have many facial expressions... And it is true for me. My face literally hurts when I act like any other type. Also I most often have to act as an ISFJ [that's how my situation is] and sometimes my bf asks me to act natural and tell him my true thoughts. The next thing he usually ask me is to stop being mean and sarcastic. But it's just so easy. Sarcastic jokes are the easiest thing to do. And I know my puns are good, because people eaither laugh or send OOOOOH meme [or cry]
I actually found that it was learning about the cognitive functions that solidified my confidence in my type. I always waffled between INTJ and INTP-- I felt like I was either regularly failing at the J or overcoming my P, and I do actually relate to a lot of traits of both. It was comparing the cognitive functions that really brought it into focus for me. I go through shorter periods of wondering if my 'N' is real or not, but I rarely have much doubt about it. I've also wondered whether my T/F is really as pronounced as I think it is, but again, I don't have to think about it very long to conclude that I am definitely a Thinker type. It's kind of interesting to me that in terms of the INTJ vs INTP thing, in a lot of ways it is easier for me to think of myself as a 'failed' INTJ rather than an INTP who has sufficiently mastered the fine art of adulting to the extent that I can fool people into thinking I'm better at it than I am.
I would suggest to see how you deal with Si and Fi being the cognitive functions in the third slot.
If you are an Intj you will be more confortable with Fi and Si being a pain in the ass, being the 8th function.
Same reasoning applies to Si and Fi to Intp i believe.
I had the same situation and I wasn't sure if I was an Intj or Intp
But I am now sure I am more Intj than Intp.
By the loops Ni-Fi and the Se grips confirmed my Mbti being the Intj.
Still have much respect for my introverted analysis cousin Intps.
You are one bunch of smart people, glad you are in this world
This is exactly where I sit, I know INT for sure it's the J and P that seem to "change".
I find INTJ and INTP to be very different though, but that might be due to limited numbers of encounters with them.
I felt like this too, but nah, I'm definitely a not so overachiever INTJ, given the cognitive functions. Maybe question if you feel closer to Fi vs Fe and Se vs Si if you want a clearer picture? And compare yourself to other people with these functions, to see how much you relate to them and how much their approaches confuse you?
Typing myself is some kind of a curse.. Sometimes i act like an entp and other time like an intj, and i do both quite good to be honest. Sometimes i love to poke people, play with words and troll everyone, be somewhat of a smartass clown. Other time i become a bit of misanthropic and go hermit mode, do a planning and prepare effective routines, think about the future and cant emulate friendliness as i do as entp-like. So im torn between this very similar yet very different types, haha.
Appreciate the video! Good tips... as an ISFP I always am thinking about myself and ways to develop. I biked on a beach (in forest which no one goes) just an half an hour ago and at the same time I realized that I'm not an ESFP but I just tend to have a mask like the ESFP to keep my true self hidden. If people around me have similar values I can be my true self around em' but that has never been the case. I don't care if I'm an ESFP or ISFP but I figured I'm an ISFP as my automatic mode is self-awareness and not Se.
oh kool ~ thx for sharing ~
that beach-forest trail sounds amazing
I stumbled across all this about two years ago and it was life-changing. Multiple versions of the MBTI tests, plus of course all the breakdowns and explications of the function stack, testified with adamant unanimity (and along with that goes how vividly it "clicked" with me, of course) that I'm an INFP. But you know, something was still missing, somehow not fully clicking. There were aspects of the "textbook" INFP, particularly its perhaps stereotypically "spacey", hippie-flower-child-ish qualities, that, while, yes, I could definitely understand them, on some level relate to them, even perceive how at times in my life I was inclined in that direction, the simple fact was that they were definitely NOT who I am now, indeed they signalled something I more or less consciously rejected, even if that rejection developed over a long evolution. I will add that further refining my type to an INFP-T added helpful nuance, but, still, some piece of the puzzle was missing. Then I did the Enneagram test and came out as a 4w5, and the descriptions given for a 4w5 definitely rang true with me. But the-e-e-nnn....I thought, "Has anyone examined what it means to be an INFP 4w5?" I hunted for it on Google and discovered that, yes indeed, they had. It was when I read about an INFP 4w5, and, significantly, the ways in which an INFP 4w5 veers away from the "textbook" INFP in certain respects--and what do you know, they were precisely the respects I had long felt were off-kilter for me in the standard model--that it all came together like magic.
Aww my boyfriend is an INFP 4w5! If you're like him it's such a lovely balance of dreamy sharp wit.
@@hannahpeterangelo7551 🙂 How kind of you!
Myers gave me INFP 4 out of 10 takes with the remaining being INTP, while the Big Five test gave me ENTP every single time. I came to the realization that when I was taking Myers I was in a moment of selfpity/isolation, Whereas when I took the Big Five, I actually wanted to find something with some scientific background and I answered all the questions fluidly with confidence rather than trying to think back to specific moments in my life. At first I thought I related to all the INFP traits, until I saw ENTP. But also just looking at the constants, in my case “NP”, helped a lot.
@@KiraX2lol Yes, I have retaken several tests across a span of time and in different "moods," out of concern that a single test could reflect a passing state of mind and not a "hard-wired" one. But they unfailingly came out as INFP. Funny, when I first stumbled across all this and started watching various videos on it, the videos presenting INFJ characteristics repeatedly struck me as far more like me than INFP. But, no, the tests never produced an INFJ result for me. Finally, it was the combination INFP 4w5 that brought crystal clarity, let me see what it was about the "textbook" INFP profile that had seemed just a bit off-kilter for me.
Knowing your personality type is very helpful to understand and to know about ourselves. The most important is our identity. The essence of a person.
Think of our brain as a computer. The introverted part represents the software. The extraverted part is the hardware. If you are an introvert, than relying more on the software (inner part) may feel like a natural first reaction rather than active engagement in the external environment. And vice versa for extraverts. Life teaches us to balance. Heavily relying on X makes us neglect the much needed Y. In order to solve life’s challenges that are presented to us, we need to figure out how to properly use all of our cognitive functions (software + hardware). Let’s reframe things. Is it hard to look inside someone’s mind (even our own) and be able to say which cognitive functions we use? Probably. Since it is highly abstract in nature, this will represent a challenge for most of us. So, how can we reframe the “problem”? Decode information and search for connection between it and cognitive preference. Yes, it is scientific. No, it doesn’t change over time. 1. You may become better at learning how to use your cognition in order to function better. 2. Experiencing changes in life means that you will fill you database with new variables and mind content. Best case scenario, you will learn to rely on your lateral thinking ability and look at things differently while remaining open to possibilities. Worst case scenario, it will represent an unmovable barrier between you and the world.
I will leave a word associations below to each cognitive function. In case you are interested, you can do further research on those and find the truth on your own. The best way for us to learn is through direct exposure to information. We train our mind to think deeply and make individual synaptic connections free from those being conditioned by others. Ti - logical reasoning, Fe - group cohesion (external sensitivity to the needs of others), Te - metrics based approach, Fi - wheel of emotions (internal emotional sensitivity), Se - form of concrete thinking that relies on exteroceptors, Si - interoceptors and homeostasis, Ne - brainstorming, Ni - mind mapping. Ti and Te are both focused on data analysis. Fi and Fe are both attuned to remaining connected to an emotional component (either personal or shared with a group). Si and Se are forms of concrete thinking. Ni and Ne are forms of abstract thinking. Engaging in deeper analysis and evaluating things individually could help you fill in the blanks and gradually become aware of you personal cognitive preferences.
Solid advice. Its one of the things that made me suspect I'm an INFJ now that I'm older. I mean, there's the whole 'external validation ' aspect to extroverts, too, that ive been working on.
Respectfully, I think one simply needs to understand the first principles (i.e., the cognitive functions) and extrapolate from there. This, despite the fact that I'm aware that most people aren't capable of this.
Signed,
an INTJ
Lmaoooo
That's true tho, I always see people around wondering and joggling with functions and loose the meaning of last mentioned. People nitpicking some details around main point and feel lost, that's why they're confused
I think you left out another factor that is fairly important and that is, mental disorders. People with certain Personality Disorders and the like may act in different ways that may depend on their self states of mind. Their identities can be fragile and less adherent to stereotypes.
We all have three "types":
1) Our public persona, that we project onto most people. This is the most curated and often a complete fabrication just to enable us to function in society
2) Our private persona, that we project onto our "Nearest and dearest". This is also curated, maybe less so, but often times a partial or complete fabrication too.
3) Our personal person, that only we know about. Our real self. No one see's this, often not even our own consciousness until we find ourselves in extreme stress situations. And because we happily lie to ourselves this is also at least a partial fabrication.
Thus the reason people get "Typing" others wrong is because they only really see a persons public persona.
And The reason people get "Typing" themselves wrong is because they only really see a mashup of all three personas...all of which are a fabrication to a greater or lesser extent.
So to have a hope of even getting close to typing somone else we need to get to know them at a private level at least, and have a hope of getting close to typing ourselves we need to stop lying to ourselves and lose the curated mashups we like to show everyone.
The best (and only) way to observe someones real personality (especially ourselves) is to put them under extreme stress repeatedly. This is exactly what military basic training does.
Everything else will at best produce a lie more or less.
Be really honest: When is the last time you held a mirror up to yourself and were brutally and utterly honest about your behaviours?
This is nonsense. Not everybody uses a persona.
@@EresirThe1st Everybody uses multiple personas. You are not the same person to your spouse, your boss, your friends, co workers etc
@@Pabz2030 INTP here. That may be for some, but it's not always that extreme. I act pretty much consistently true to type wherever I am. Even to the point where I break certain social rules despite knowing people will think me weird or slightly rude or even juvenile for it - like ducking under a length of chain to join a line of people (behind the last person, not to cut the line) instead of following a longer, convoluted path.
Different personas come from which behavior is called for by which situations. But the underlying person still chooses the persona to display in a given situation. What behaviors they choose reflect their type. In my above example, INTPs are often considered slightly clueless to social standards. Really, I think we just choose to ignore those social conventions that aren't important. I duck under gates because it's the straightest way to the target location - especially if it's the end of the day and I have sore, throbbing feet.
It's not obliviousness. Social censure is something I just choose to ignore in situations like that. By the same token, I often break into sprints inside large buildings just to get where I'm going faster. Running is healthy. My logic is, why not take the opportunity to get my circulation going, raise my energy level, and brain processing power? When people assume I'm late, I tell them, "No, this is how I wake up in the morning." A two-minute sprint from the car does it superbly. No need for coffee or other stimulants.
I run even when other people automatically say, "Don't run inside the building" which has been drilled into us all from childhood (ever wonder if we'd all be way healthier if that was not the case?). Yes, you might run into someone, but I've been doing it for 30 years and I think it happened maybe once, and not particularly hard. I don't run at full speed, so I can swerve around things in my path. I run intelligently, not mindlessly.
I run even when it embarrasses the people I'm with. I tell them they ought to run, too. Sometimes they do.
The funny thing is, at home you'd think I had a completely different persona. I'm sedentary when at home, in front of a screen of one kind or another, or doing crafts at a desk. But I'm the same person, with the same logic. I may behave differently in different circumstances, but they're all according to my type's logic.
Anyone new to the typing community should see this video, so much confusion and mistypes could be avoided if people took it slowly and were reasonable about it. It would also do good for the reputation of mbti if people didn't just identify themselves with a label a random website gave them because at that point it really is just astrology, and instead focused on learning and self reflection.
This is a great video. I’m looking forward to Part 2 & 3…. You just put type in perspective with the real world!
I suspect that looking for stress responses and associating those with function 4 can be helpful. What do I/others suddenly focus on when stressed out that we don’t in the everyday? When stressed, I suddenly care a lot about about efficiency and am bothered by clutter (Te).
I’ve similarly seen some pretty clear patterns regarding Function 8 and attempts to exert control. When I feel the need to make things go my way, I try to argue logic or delve into research in order to argue (Ti). Another key here is that these attempts (in my case arguments) are rarely successful at fixing the situation; they’re usually just distractions/a side show.
The reason I think these might be some of the best places to start are because they tend to be uncharacteristic and dramatic behaviors, but you can use them to start making educated guesses about the more subtle everyday patterns.
So in typing myself, I might start by looking at what two types have Te/Ti in the 4th/8th slots.
Very interesting and rational approach.
Thanks for this video, Nathan. I find myself analysing everyone around me, trying to guess their cognitive functions.
You are really very good. (I find Si a bit of a drag and can't be bothered to be more specific!)
I tend to switch between the functions Ti, Se, Ni and Fe. ESTP when I'm drinking copious amounts in a group of people, ENFJ at various times with my kid and INFJ oddly, when I've been interested in someone. But for the most part I'm ISTP.
True to form, I wondered if I was an INFJ but that's been laid to rest. I realise being conditioned to be a woman has in some ways, strengthened my Fe probably more so than my male counterparts.
Good shit as usual Nathan. Your insight is always cleverly crafted and easily consumable for the masses.
Is it strange that I've studied about this topic for 2 years and yet, I can't still figure out my type?
Same. I can make a good case for INTJ…OR for INTP, even though each has different cognitive functions.
For a long time i thought and hopped i was ISTP, then i saw a real one and it was immediately obvious im just an INTP who figured out how to use drill lmao. The biggest giveaway for me was my random thoughts and rambling when im around people i know my whole life. When you get me going with interesting topics i just cant stop. And the looks on peoples faces are also a clue. High Ne just seeps out of me.
CS Joseph Four Sides of the Mind:
EGO, UNCONSCIOUS, SUBCONSCIOUS, SUPEREGO
this actually helps a lot. thanks for the explanation!!
Oh! Trying out different types sounds fun, but I would have to plan it. A spreadsheet, or at least a notebook, to record the results. What did I eat? How did others react? Did I want to quit my job or move to a smaller home?
Pretty sure I am INFJ, but tested INTJ for a while. Work in an analytical/chemistry/engineering environment. Many said I was too free sharing ideas and helping others so I finally tried being more self-centered...for a week. Horrible! Productivity went down. Motivation went down. I just needed to help others in ways which were more mutually beneficial. Worthwhile experiment.
Rather than risk damaging relationships, is there a better place to try the other types on? I would want something where you actually are trying to get something done, but failing at it wouldn't be too big a risk. ENFJ may be fun. I could walk in those clothes for a while.
ESFP would be scary, but I may learn something...if I didn't over plan it. LOL! Definitely N and J, so experimenting with S and P would be just for fun. Great to have an ESFP friend for balance, but...wow! Plus the E, which I have to schedule for!!! Oh shoot! Forget it! Even as an experiment it is way too much!
The way you explain things is so good lol
I agree with the Try it on approach. Initially i tried many tests and delved into MBTI a lot. Later i would assume a best guess and see for few weeks if it is the right answer. I have gone from INFP to INFJ to ISFP, then ISFJ,then INTP and then back to INFP. I wore the hat for around 3 weeks for each type. I am still open to changing my type if i dont identify with INFP anymore.
The greatest info and methods on the mbti topic👏
I'm so late to any video movie,education or tv series. This is the first time I'm early, just because I came in accidentally 😂.
haha👍
I thought sex was about another thing. Personally i think it is very intriguing to study attractiveness using this cpt model. I have been fascinated by why i become attracted to someone vs how i fall in love with someone, and to what extent it relates back to relations in the brain
Legend 👌🏾, a lot of people need to know this.
👍like how u encourage not focusing on the Functions at first--
At first just focus on the skeleton,
...not how the bones connect to the muscles, etc ...
(that comes later on)
What on earth is this accent? It sounds like he came from Belgium by way of South Africa into Ireland and finally settled somewhere in England. This question has been troubling me for the last two weeks of my life.
I'm from South Wales in the UK!
typing myself was actually easy, im 100% INFP without a doubt
Not an offer? Dang...
I definitely agree with 'trying on' different types. Over the couple of years that I've been interested in typology, I've found that to be the most enjoyable part of the process to getting to know and understand myself better 😄I think it's also important to remember not to take it all too seriously, at the end of the day we're all just humans trying to connect better with other humans and someone's actual type shouldn't matter that much when trying to do this. That being said, I very much enjoy learning about this and continue to find the world of personality fascinating. This channel has really helped me to discover parts about myself and other people that I didn't know about, so thank you ❤
I think I might be an INTP but find myself changing to INFJ and INTJ from time to time and even through out the day
One of the best videos you made. Bravo! 👏👏👏👏
Your videos are so informative still I'm being stuck at whether I'm an intp or intj.
These two types are so different yet similar!
Do you Like it, if somebody asks " What do you think?" and you tell him your thoughts?
Same here lmao, hopefully this video helps me figure it out a little more
You know, it would be interesting to have a chat with you and compare myself to somebody else in the same situation
A question- Would you say Infj and Infp are similar?
@@TheGrunztiger I actually have no problem with this question, I tell my thoughts easily if asked this question.
@@ScaryMango6755 I say, they are similar for sure. There are many correlations between them!
As an INTP & INTJ I find it amusing how some people are so little self aware. Like yesterday I got an anonymous text from someone abusing me but I'm in that phase of my life where my priorities have shifted. How should I deal with immature people as an INTJ or rather the introvert + observant type?
8:00 that is exactly what I did and it feels validating to hear although I differ from your opinion with the functions. I love looking at the functions yet I don't limit it by definition yet I take it as a conceptual chunk of information. I will say that I cycled through a lot of types that were fun to explore ans I developed my functions in a more balanced way with that practice.
Can you make videos on how to figure out other people’s types, or at least tips on how to narrow down other people’s types for say 2-3 types?
I'm an ENFP and it took me a long time to accept that as my type because I have self control and I am responsible I get things done. Which people constantly told me was not like an ENFP and I had to research it on my own.
I actually have a friend who got ENFP but I would have bet money on him being an ENTP (like me) back in the day with how he would talk about things. I think I even questioned him a lot on it while I was trying to figure out type, which may have unintentionally hurt his feelings. I will say from my own experience, Fi is really hard to "see" if you will. Maybe I just don't know what to look for as a Ti Fe user. But I realize now that just cus you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there. I've seen a few of my other Fi friends get questioned a lot by non-Fi user (me being a bit guilty of it as well).
I think it's really admirable to stand ground on what you feel is right even when those around you question or second guess you, is what I'm trying to say. Man i'm bad with my words.
Hope all the Fi user out there live their best lives and don't let us Fe or Thinking types tell you otherwise. (but I'd love a peek into the Fi world to understand it better one of these day)
@@leucisticcrow85 Well thank you. I know who I am and hearing people affirm that always feels good. What I think you did well is that you recognize your faults and what you did wrong. You regret what you did and what you can do know is try to be better and seek forgiveness. I think you're being a little too hard on yourself.
bro 8:05 was such a call-out, I was so confused before so I thought I'll just try them all out maybe every year or month whatever, just some integrations, idk if it's working but I'm getting more and more confused but hey maybe this is just part of the process
Is it weird as an INTJ that I am deeply fascinated by the new Barbie movie? 🤷🏻♀️
"First to the Key!"
😂
Still, I think, Nathan's approach of key dichotomy questions is relevant as well. It's like some close types or most often mistyped types may have several similar properties, but there is a question (or questions), the answer to which can strictly define where you belong and where you don't. That's how I realised I'm not an INTP, though someone can type me as one in situations when I feel safe.
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Also, concerning situations: can some types act in different ways depending on the situation (e.g., I'm a pretty collected, nervous and avoidant on public INTJ, but in a narrow circle of friends I can organise a funny (sometimes creepy) mess that is more expectable from some ENFJ/ENFP); or it is a mistype? And who are you actually - the one who deals with public and the wider world or the one who manifests oneself in a safespace?
Also, can we say that introverts are people with a certain social mental trauma which deprived them from enjoying active contacts with society?
Traumatic experiences can make someone who is biologically extroverted (under stimulated) avoiding social interactions, but such person would still be dominated by extroverted functions in every other aspect of life, than people, technically would be still EXXX in MBTI.
@@ParteniaAjmaqwhoa!
I actually miss typed as a INTP on the tests and often was referred to as introverted or ambivert. Trauma in my younger life made me appear introverted but I actually acted more Anit-social than introverted. I'm an ENTP but act like my Shadow type, a messed up INTJ when I'm stressed, upset, or enraged. Thats the Dark side of ENTP.
I think understanding my shadow helped with my personal growth. I've been working on my communication skills and anger management skills to get the parts of myself i disliked under control. It's not perfect but I find even just knowing these things helps and could be a good door into to figure out your True type. That and the cognitive functions.
@@ParteniaAjmaq so intp with adhd is entp? Im speaking about myself, int adhd? Ne or adhd? Ti or suppression of emotions? You know what, I think I fall so far out the norm that I don't need typing anyway, prolly not made for fellows like I
@@7Bobby7 ADHD is not the same thing as being cognitevely extroverted, those are two separate things, but any neurodivergency can mess with process of typing.
If You don't feel like using typing, don't force it, at end it should be only tool to help us understand ourselves and others better.
You just have to feel it...
now we're talking
Great video 👏 Do you know of the interaction styles by Linda Berens? An interesting and systematic way to type.
This is a good content for ones who still try to find their type. But actually method acting on a type NEEDS understanding about cognitive functions of that type 😅
As an ISTJ, i just randomly take the test 4 years ago, then forget about it, and 2 years ago come back research about it 😂 For sensors it's easier i guess. But i use MBTI, Enneagram and Tritype system, to myself or when listen to TV, or other people around. It's not always right when i guess their type if i don't interact with them a lot. But still, those are useful and interesting personality tools to understand about other people, how their mind works and to interact with them more efficiently and correctly.
I try Fe still don't get it and weird. Trying social norms and weird. Trying small talk but don't know how to play along, especially if I get the feeling tribe want me to start first and open 😂
This video breaks everything about mbti, finally
You know you're an ISFJ when you see the new(ish) header, "Psychological Mayhem," and your first thought is, "Wait, why is that a selling point?" 🤣
I am on the fence. I type as ENFP but I identify with a lot of the ENTP traits. So I research both.
you know you're an INTJ when you're capable of accurately guessing or figuring out most people's motives and seldom become surprised when some lousy actors or unreliable individuals act strangely
INTJ married to a charismatic ESFJ 3w2
I'm glad I'm not in my head as much as I used to be. Older infp
i act like an infj *a lot* but in the end i am an infp :)
Not a maso but fan of your infos great stuff always..greetings from an intj..Isa 😁🤣😂🤩🤭😏👏👏👏
can anyone please help me figure out my mbti, please! i have tried a lot of different tests but i feel connected to no type..please someone help me
You probably won't like your type. Well, i'm a ISFJ, so i might be biased saying that.
Furthermore, if you see that certain types are rarer, you naturally would want to be them.
And on top of that, everyone wants to hide their weak points while ignoring their strenghths, focusing on a secondary or tertiary function, so to speak.
⭐Great video !
I am more open in english and more reserved in ny native language.
I am ENTJ
Is there any explanation for that?
Because you feel observed when speaking your native tongue - but when speaking English, you have an excuse; as well as it’s considered okay to say ALMOST anything you want to say in English… because, regardless of what the lying world says, English speaking people are among those who are least racist and more interested in other cultures - HENCE the reason English spread so far and became the language of business and politics and now media in general.
Your thumbnail game is strong
😂😂 you are cute but wasn't thinking this 2:40
yes...banana ( and algorithm)
Amazing video
I'm not too sure about the "fake it til you find yourself"-approach. Not as if the mbti-community wasn't already full enough with LARPs of people who stagnate in masks. Just read Jung already, read Myers-Briggs, read about socionics and different approaches to Typology. It's an act of "gnothi seauton", not a musical.
But if let's say one wants to determine if they are INTP or ENTP using this approach to eliminate bias, considering that both use Ti and Ne as higher functions and Fe and Si as lower functions, wouldn't lets say faking to be lets say ENTP by trying to use Ne not be much indication if one is either one of the two because an ne aux will still use ne much like an entp?
Furthermore wouldn't lets say trying to use the inferior function of either of these types more and see how one reacts show if one is either one of those types accurately?
@@DrAtom314 why would you even want to know your "type" if you couldn't just look at your (past) behavior and clearly see, how you seem to function? The reason for people being unsure is them not knowing anything about the topic at all except for internet memes and midwit videos. READ THE THEORY and you will gradually understand. There is no INTP who is unsure whether he is an ENTP, only and INTP who doesn't even know what ENTP actually means.
I think your suggestion would work wonders in the intuitive, thinking realm; the suggestion in the video seems like great advice in the sensing, feeling realm. I don't think the suggestion was to assume a random type and stay in it forever, rather to try and evaluate how comfortable or uncomfortable the role feels. Also, some people benefit more from action and experience than from reading theory.
@@LeafLeafy How do you know you're "acting as a certain type" if you don't reeeeeeally know what that type actually means except for stereotypes? Understanding this specific realm of Typology will leave no doubt. 'Sensors and feelers' do not not 'think'.
3:00 INFJ male. Been unfairly called gay or weak, etc.
You sound like C3PO... I think it's cute! 😊
can someone help me idk if i an intp or istp
I love this sm
So methodical, and so many "third rails." Didn't anyone tell you not to touch or, or do anything to the third rail? How am I supposed to make any money this way?
Meanwhile your audience still wondering your type. lol A man of mystery never tells apparently.
My type changed 5 times this year
I love your show
Is there anyone who is well versed in typology who wants to help me type myself? I feel like I can fit into any type and it’s so confusing. I can genuinely see myself as any type.
Maybe you infp?
Maybe you infp?
@@Marcellus.Wallace why?
Okay let's start with do you feel drained after you've hung out with a crowd of people at a social gathering or someplace? If you resonate with feeling drained like you need to spend some time alone after that or maybe sleep like a baby after that, then you might be an Introvert first
@@maheenaamir4188 I don’t need sleep but I do feel drained but when I talk to others, I talk a lot
I think that looking at your closest family can help determine your type, given that behaviour is clearly shaped by environment AND genetics. I mistyped as an introvert, as I am not very social and I prefer being alone and doing my own stuff; even as a child I was able to entertain myself and have always been extremely happy being alone with my inner life and process. However, when I did in depth analysis of behavioural patterns of my obviously introverted husband and myself, I found that the way I relate to people when around them, be that professionally or in close relationships, the ease with which I spring to action in any circumstance, the general lack of social awkwardness, or any type or socially infuced fear (public speach, leading meetings etc.) had me thinking. Then I realized that my mother, father and sister are all ENxx types, I researched about my extroverded "counterpart" personality and it all finally made sense: I am not very extroverted extroverted EN type 😅
I think I had a similar mistype happen. I always got introverted on test (didn't sounded quite right) and even most my younger life friends and family called me introverted or "anti-social" (though i now know anti-social is the wrong term now.) I have some social fears due to trauma from when I was a kid (which i read could make you look introverted.) I found a term called Ambivert that confused me but fit my ~kinda introverted kinda extroverted nature.~ I did some digging and realized that the problem wasn't that I was just a very emotional INTP or a very aggressive INFP but was actually an ENTP. An ENTP that shadows out into their INTJ when their angry. (not sure if i fully get shadow types yet, still learning but i think i got it. But who knows. Don't quote me on anything. I'm still looking for friends that really like MBTI to compare findings with. Might join the Love Who discord but I always kinda ghost servers.)
For the family side of things, I was mostly raised by my grandfather, a former Marian. I wasn't overly attached to most my family. However, I recently came to spend some family time with my Grandpa and Mother who live right next door of each other. My mom is going for her, i think Psychology Master or maybe she's started the PHD I forget. She studied different types of personalities and tests and said she felt they were all lacking something. She is an INTJ and said Grandpa would actually be an INFJ which confused me at first but as I said, he was a Marian, and they train you suppress or hide your emotions.
But looking at my family there are a lot of N types which are Ni (introverted intuition) so my Ne asking questions and coming up with all these new (but not asked for) ideas wasn't always supported. I mean even now I can see the energy drain out my mother's face when I talk for more than 10 minutes. How people thought I was this overly energetic introvert that talks a lot, will always amuse me.
How about the online tests?
Not very accurate I say, they don't take cognitive function into consideration. It can be used as a reference!
@@lmaze444 ok good to know ty
Lol appreciate the masochism, you INTPs are so witty
I want to be unbanned in Love who discord server