Edsel Abandoned For 56 Years! How Seized Could The Motor Be?!
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- Follow along as I bring this 1958 Edsel Corsair back to life! Parked just 10 years after it was built with 40,000 miles, this Edsel has seen better days. In episode 1 we bring it home, clean it up, repair some electrical damage from mice and prepare to try and free up the motor! In this episode, we start diving into the difficult task of trying to break the motor free and get it spinning smoothly. How seized could it be after sitting for 56 years??
If you haven't seen episode 1 you can check it out here! • Barn Find Edsel Corsai...
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Real fun to see the "youngster" referring to the Generator as an Alternator! That car looks to be pretty complete. Its going to be a worth while restoration!
Thank you!
Had an old girlfriend who drove a 58 Edsel, back in 68. Loved them ever since. Great video, can't wait until the next one.
Thanks for the support!!
Nice to see somebody working on something different! It gets old seeing another Mustang, another Chevelle, another *insert token ubiquitous automobile here*.
@@That_AMC_Guy thanks! I totally agree
Like seeing young people getting into the hobby 😊😊 your the future of the hobby 😊
Watching from the UK mate. Nice to see an honest video with mistakes and failures you learn more as a viewer that way. Looking forward to the next episode.
@@excaliber32 thank you!
It's quite refreshing to see an honest video on a barn find restoration. I'm glad you left the learning experiences in there as well. While there were a few things I saw and thought that won't work; it's so nice to see someone working through it on their own. Honestly, I broke so much on my first few cars, but those experiences were priceless. Keep going and keep breaking stuff! That's how we learn when there isn't a mentor standing next to you. It's an old car that would be junk if you hadn't stepped in. You can't hurt it!
I can't wait to see your next video. Best of luck with this one! It will be a fun driver.
Thank you very much!
First time I've seen this channel. You figured out some how to do thing smart in this engine removeal. Hats off to you dude.
Thank you!
Atta Boy, that golden girl enjoys you playing with her parts and pieces.
She’s not a cheap and easy date to impress.
I’m as old as she is, they need lots of nut and bolt deep creeping penetrant to loosen her up.
Edsel’s were plagued with many mechanical nightmares but offered many great automotive features.
Persistence will pay off. Great story line and content.
Rosie🌹
Thank you!
Can't wait to see inside those cylinders. Good job!
I rode to little league baseball games in a 58 Edsel station-wagon. I distinctly remember the push-button in the center of the steering wheel. That yaught was traded for a 63 Volkswagen bus, probably beacause of it's thirst for fuel.
Cool!
hi sir i only watched 5 mins and decided to subscribe. You had a game plan and new how to go about what you need to do. Having paitence is a big part of having success. Also love seeing the younger generation enjoy and love getting these old classics run again. I am 66 and my parents owned a Edsel. Please keep doing the vedios and doing what you love doing. You have a great future in doing this if you dont give up. Also a great way to make money. Keep up the great work.
Thank you!!
This video showed showed up in my feed, went back and watched the first one and gave you a sub and a like. FYI the 475 on the rocker cover represents the torque of the engine.
Thanks for the info and for watching!
Bravo!
I'm having fun watching you...using terms relating to modern cars: "speed sensor". Back in the day it was a "speedometer cable", as you soon discovered. 😁
Stay the course. You're doing fine.
Speed sensor!!! Dude it’s a 58. Ain’t no kind of sensor on that car. And no metric fasteners either.
But it’s great to see a young man figuring it all out. I had to subscribe as a retired truck mechanic. I wish you were next door, boy could we have fun.
As an Edsel owner I understand the complexity of your choice of cars to restore. The "big" Edsel engine is almost Identical to the Lincoln 430 which was used up until 1967.I'm betting this is a case of a rotted aluminum piston.
You may be right but I’m hoping you aren’t haha in that case, can the 430 Lincoln pistons fit as a replacement?
@@TemperMetalFabrication I don't know if it's bore or stroke that's different-
Reminds me of when I started wrenching, nothing seemed easy. Only thing you might of tried early on would be a camera into the cylinders, probably would have found a really badly rusted cylinder and realized trying to get it to turn was out of the question. Saved all the other work and went straight to pulling it. Looking forward to seeing what held it up.
You’re definitely right. I was going to try and get a camera in there but I could see inside the spark plug holes with a mirror pretty well and didn’t see anything alarming. I have also never tried to free up a seized motor before so I wanted to mess around with it and try different methods.
On old motorcycles I will back the valves off (closed) and use an adapter I made ( grease zerk welded on a hollowed out spark plug) and pump the cylinder full of grease with a grease gun. Do this on a cylinder that the piston is close to the top. A good grease gun makes a lot of pressure. If that doesn’t do it, nothing short of a tear down will get them loose.
Looks like a great project. Keep the videos coming.
Thank you!
Gonna be interesting to see what this thing looks like opened up!
Looking forward to the next video! Looks like a cool project!
Another great video. I really admire your patience and persistence - very impressive - keep it up! This old girl is well worth it. Looking forward to the next video.
@@geoffjohnston1708 thank you!
Ahh look at the fuel pump, a rebuildable unit ! Nice
Back in the day they seldom changed the oil, just added more when they saw the level was low.
The Corsair and Citation had the 410 MEL engine with the power steering pump at the front of the crankshaft. Can be challenging to turn the engine by hand.
I think the power steering pump is belt driven off the driver side of the motor. Can that still make it hard to turn?
I sure hope you get this car up and running great.
Me too! Thanks for watching!
Should have started with taking the motor out in the first place... Would be interesting to see what the insides looks like!
Trust me I wanted to start with that but I have never tried to free a seized motor before so I kind of wanted to try and mess around with it for my own future knowledge before I just jumped to pulling it out.
8:06 👀. You’re pretty good at that hand motion
As a reminder; oil does NOT disolve rust ! It is chemically impossible !
Step one, Buy a borescope (endoscope) and check the cylinders,
Step two, get some evaporust or cleaning vinegar and pour it in the cylinders if they are rusty.
Step three; be patient and let it work for at least a few days
Then, try to turn the engine over and once it is unstuck, THEN pour oil in the cylinders !!!!!!
Thanks for watching! The cylinders wernt rusty so I was more trying to lubricate and penetrate then dissolve rust. You don’t want to use vinegar on those the inside of an engine because it is acidic and will eat the metal as well.
It looks more realistic than dropping a little WD 40 and driving 1000 miles home.
Right? I’ll keep it as realistic as I can!
Just subscribed and can’t wait to see the progress!!!!
Thanks!
I'm flabbergasted you didn't snap the front of the crankshaft off prying on it like that. Pull the starter next time and pry at the ring gear.... A ring gear is cheaper than a crank. Neat old Edsel, I hope to see it running in the future. What part of Michigan are you in? Im in the Detroit area.
@@OldCarAlley thanks for watching and for the suggestion. I will definitely go for the ring gear next time, thats smart! I’m in Dexter, only about 45 minutes from you.
@@TemperMetalFabrication oldcaralley is right, all the motors I have broken loose was by prying the flex plate by the ring gear.works 90% of the time 👍🏻
I’ve always wanted a 58 Edsel, I’ll be following this series to see if I really do want one…😜
The tele-couch transmission was definitely a weak point, and I’m interested to see how you deal with it.
Cool! Thanks for watching!
See the car for the first time. That cars old. Yep. Older then me. Yep. Parts are hard to get. Yep.......I'LL TAKE IT..
You get it!
You should have put a bore scope in before anything else that would have show you if the bore was full of crude .Keep going your learning and also you should have tried a crow bar on the flywheel ring gear that helps to loosen stuck pistons if the crank nut won't move it not preaching just I spent 60 years doing the game.👍
Thanks for the tips!!
Just rebuilt a Perkins 6.354.4 that was stuck fast, turned out it was only 1 cylinder rusted but we tried like you to get it to turn with no joy, so in the end pulled the head, released the big end cap on number 3 (engine could be turned by hand then) turned crank to bdc on 3, lump of wood in the bore, knocked piston down, clean rust off the bore then pushed piston up & out, hone bore with news rings on piston and gaskets, reassemble, don't know what yours will be like but why not just pull the heads so you can get the measure of how bad things are, you might be lucky and just need to "shock" 1 or 2 pistons free rather than a total rebuild.
Cool project! I hope you’re right and it’s only 1 or 2 pistons but I am kind of looking forward to tearing it down and learning about this engine.
Good luck with the project. I'm going to keep watching. I went through all the same stuff when I started, so I'm not ripping on you, just trying to help. First next time you have a trans cooler line that won't come loose and you can't get a torch in there, use a tubing cutter to cut it somewhere close to the radiator so you can pull the radiator. Now you can heat it on the bench, or just leave it on and reinstall the radiator later, then use a compression fitting to reconnect it. Also your approach with turning the motor was close but not right. When it's that stuck, unbolt the pulley and make a bracket to attach your bar to the balancer then you'll get alot more torque without breaking the pulley.
Great tips, thank you!
Dude! You are totally hacking away at it and struggling… Just like I would 😂 However, I would be dropping way more F bombs! I am soooooo jealous. Keep it going, you’re doing great!!!
I edited quite a few out haha
Hoping to find an Edsel with 410 and like that teletouch
Love these car vidoes
@@rogerleggatt6448 thanks for the support!
Me encanta ese motor amigo , es una bestia , estaría bueno restaurarlo....saludos desde buenos aires argentina, acá somos fanáticos del y-block
Thanks for the support!!
Lovely project. How bad is the rust?
Thanks! The body is rough but the frame is solid!
Heat then cold, to losen metal.
my 58 edsel ranger had a motor that couldnt be turned over by hand but once I removed the starter you could turn it over easily
Thanks for the info!! I Will definitely put this to the test and remove the starter first.
Just a suggestion there's a RUclips channel called What The Rust Richard and his girlfriend have done plenty of Will It Run Videos if you are interested.
I’ll check it out, thanks!
People have had very good results freeing up stuck engines using vinegar instead of any concoctions. The vinegar dissolves any rust and will not harm the pistons. If the cylinders are badly corroded some pitting may be evident. See freeing a locked up engine for $5 on youtube.
@@randalbloomquist7812 I did a lot of research on the vinegar method and almost used it but there’s a lot of proof that since it is acidic it will also dissolve metal and start pitting the cylinder walls.
@@TemperMetalFabrication
The pitting of the cylinder walls will only occur where there is rust already penetrating into the cylinder. Any way you look at it, the block will need to be bored and honed. If it was me, I would also pull the rockers and ensure that valves aren't stuck to prevent further damage.
Couldn't help noticing your Zukey Lake Tavern shirt. Do you live near there? I'm in Howell. I subscribed after the first video, so came here soon as the notification came up.
@@talltom1129 yessir! I’m right at mast and strawberry lake!
@@TemperMetalFabrication let me know if you want help unsticking that motor.
@@talltom1129thanks! If you want to stop by and check out the progress at anytime let me know! My contact info is on google.
Why did you pick up a car that the company went out of business 50 years ago,,?
Because I really love rare automotive history.
@TemperMetalFabrication I know but probably hard to find parts
The best person to contact or parts here on YT is mr goodpliers. Just sub to your channel
Thank you!