An gorgeous collection of the post Scriabinesque music of Russia. Sadly it never was never as essentially important than now and not later! I turn my collar to the other modern directions which have been attempted.
Funfact: There are more people in US prisons as a percentage of population than there ever was even during the height of Stalin's purges. Also in the Gulags, (which is just a scary name to western people for "jail" prisoners often had free reign inside the facility, libraries, kitchens, sleeping areas etc. Rather than just being locked into a steel barred cage which we in America think is totally "normal" and yet we demonize the scary gulags because they are foreign and evil. Cold war propaganda worked fantastically.
@@-Zevin- You make some excellent points. Conditions in U.S. prisons are appalling. Conditions in Russian and former Soviet prisons seemed to vary a lot. Dostoevsky may have courted the woman who later became his wife while in detention. Solzhenitsyn endured harsher conditions of brutality, hunger and cold. Prisoners considered more a threat to the governing elite seem to be treated the worse.
@@michaelayers4174 Yes. Of course some Soviet prisoners were mistreated. Particularly during WW2, there wasn't enough basic food and supplies for Russian troops on the front lines, so prisoners, particularly political prisoners were the absolute last group to be taken care of, it just wasn't a priority and understandably so. Actually my grandfather was a veteran, (Jewish Ukrainian) and he become good friends later in his life with a German veteran who spent 2 years in a Soviet POW camp. All things considered he said he was treated fairly well. What I found interesting however is he said there was some Soviet citizens who were in the same camp, arrested for collaborating with the Germans. Those men were treated horribly. There was a understanding, even towards German POWs that most where just regular men who fought in the military, many conscripted to do so, they were the enemy, but there wasn't a hatred directed at them. However the Soviet collaborators were traitors, and there was no sympathy for them. The Soviets of course, like any country had injustices, things they could have done better. However this mythos of the brutal concentration camp like gulag work camp in the depths of Siberia where millions of Soviets were sent is mostly a myth, at best a gross exaggeration compared to the average reality, both of the treatment and conditions in a gulag, and in the number of people sent to gulags in the first place. Through the entire cold war, the Soviets had less people as a percentage of population imprisoned than the United States did. It's such a pervasive myth it's hard to break. It is part more than anything of American popular culture, and propaganda of cold war era films, and books. It lives on to this day in Tv shows like the very popular "Stranger things" which shows these concentration camp like Gulags as a major plot point, and during the mid 1980s at that, which is even more absurd. All of this, with little to no self reflection on the reality of the United States and the conditions and amount of people imprisoned. All of this done in the US, to this very day, while many prisoners work as slave labor to enrich for profit companies like GM, GE, McDonald’s, Wal-Mart, American airlines, J.C Penney, Victoria’s Secret. It's a sickening system. One were jokes about being raped in prison are a common part of our culture. The lack of self reflection culturally is astonishing.
@@-Zevin-What’s even more astonishing is you trying to sugar coat the gulag system under Stalin. Go sell it someplace else comrade. The revolution betrayed its own people. I suppose nobody should be surprised that a brutal totalitarian system came after the Tsarist government. All they knew was brutality and backwardness, and it would have been just as bad if the Whites had won the civil war. And yes the U.S. does have the second largest incarcerated population in the world. They also have the 3rd largest population, and none of those prisoners are political. They actually committed crimes.
I'm not sure what you mean. It is what it is. I found the recording years ago at a store and bought it. Who knows why they arranged it the way they did.
There are truly not many musicologists who have been aware of the importance of the Russian Avantgarde. This music was created through the time between 1910 and 1930 . Then Josef Stalin had the gall to stamp out this breathtaking music with a proletariat mafioso monopoly in Russia. Thank God we can now rediscover this magnificent solution for the 21st Century Classical Music. I truly feel this is a wonderful musical style to progress into the next centuries of occidental art.
@@paulamrod537 I am interested in learning more about the specifics of Stalin's repression of the arts. Can you recommend any books that cover the topic?
@@cflounder Yes From Larry Sitsky- An Australian composer wrote a book which is very well documented. It is called somewhat so. Music of the Suppressed Russian Avant Garde. I will look it up again and add the correct link www.amazon.com/Music-Repressed-Russian-Avant-Garde-1900-1929/dp/031326709X This book is the real deal. I Love the Music of Nilkolai Obukov. Go to You Tube and check it out. www.google.com/search?q=obuhov+you+tube&rlz=1C1GGGE_deDE735DE735&oq=obuhov+you+tube&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.16095j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
@@paulamrod537 I know that G. Popov was a laureate of the Stalin Prize of the second degree in 1946. He was writing his music up to his death 1972. Others had problems, but not with Stalin, but with other composers from Composer's Union who called such music anti-soviet.
Thank you so much for this. Popov was a really great composer, too bad he is almost forgotten now.
Thank you...what an innovative period!
Tired of the same stuff, looking for something new, i found this little jewel
Thank you
An gorgeous collection of the post Scriabinesque music of Russia. Sadly it never was never as essentially important than now and not later! I turn my collar to the other modern directions which have been attempted.
Muy bueno! Gracias
You're welcome!
Genial ....
This is my favorite Popov piece!
Glad you like it!
+Elliott M. Burke Is this piece by Popov the missing link between Stravinsky and Schostakovich?)
This music is relevant to our time. These composers lived through two world wars, a revolution, Stalinist oppression time in the Gulag.
Funfact: There are more people in US prisons as a percentage of population than there ever was even during the height of Stalin's purges.
Also in the Gulags, (which is just a scary name to western people for "jail" prisoners often had free reign inside the facility, libraries, kitchens, sleeping areas etc. Rather than just being locked into a steel barred cage which we in America think is totally "normal" and yet we demonize the scary gulags because they are foreign and evil. Cold war propaganda worked fantastically.
@@-Zevin- You make some excellent points. Conditions in U.S. prisons are appalling. Conditions in Russian and former Soviet prisons seemed to vary a lot. Dostoevsky may have courted the woman who later became his wife while in detention. Solzhenitsyn endured harsher conditions of brutality, hunger and cold. Prisoners considered more a threat to the governing elite seem to be treated the worse.
@@michaelayers4174 Yes. Of course some Soviet prisoners were mistreated. Particularly during WW2, there wasn't enough basic food and supplies for Russian troops on the front lines, so prisoners, particularly political prisoners were the absolute last group to be taken care of, it just wasn't a priority and understandably so.
Actually my grandfather was a veteran, (Jewish Ukrainian) and he become good friends later in his life with a German veteran who spent 2 years in a Soviet POW camp. All things considered he said he was treated fairly well. What I found interesting however is he said there was some Soviet citizens who were in the same camp, arrested for collaborating with the Germans. Those men were treated horribly. There was a understanding, even towards German POWs that most where just regular men who fought in the military, many conscripted to do so, they were the enemy, but there wasn't a hatred directed at them. However the Soviet collaborators were traitors, and there was no sympathy for them.
The Soviets of course, like any country had injustices, things they could have done better. However this mythos of the brutal concentration camp like gulag work camp in the depths of Siberia where millions of Soviets were sent is mostly a myth, at best a gross exaggeration compared to the average reality, both of the treatment and conditions in a gulag, and in the number of people sent to gulags in the first place. Through the entire cold war, the Soviets had less people as a percentage of population imprisoned than the United States did. It's such a pervasive myth it's hard to break. It is part more than anything of American popular culture, and propaganda of cold war era films, and books. It lives on to this day in Tv shows like the very popular "Stranger things" which shows these concentration camp like Gulags as a major plot point, and during the mid 1980s at that, which is even more absurd.
All of this, with little to no self reflection on the reality of the United States and the conditions and amount of people imprisoned. All of this done in the US, to this very day, while many prisoners work as slave labor to enrich for profit companies like GM, GE, McDonald’s, Wal-Mart, American airlines, J.C Penney, Victoria’s Secret. It's a sickening system. One were jokes about being raped in prison are a common part of our culture. The lack of self reflection culturally is astonishing.
@@-Zevin-What’s even more astonishing is you trying to sugar coat the gulag system under Stalin. Go sell it someplace else comrade. The revolution betrayed its own people. I suppose nobody should be surprised that a brutal totalitarian system came after the Tsarist government. All they knew was brutality and backwardness, and it would have been just as bad if the Whites had won the civil war. And yes the U.S. does have the second largest incarcerated population in the world. They also have the 3rd largest population, and none of those prisoners are political. They actually committed crimes.
Please add clickable time-stamps to the individual tracks
(put parentheses on the timings)
What a strange list. By what principle the time of sound is attributed?
I'm not sure what you mean. It is what it is. I found the recording years ago at a store and bought it. Who knows why they arranged it the way they did.
There are truly not many musicologists who have been aware of the importance of the Russian Avantgarde. This music was created through the time between 1910 and 1930 . Then Josef Stalin had the gall to stamp out this breathtaking music with a proletariat mafioso monopoly in Russia. Thank God we can now rediscover this magnificent solution for the 21st Century Classical Music. I truly feel this is a wonderful musical style to progress into the next centuries of occidental art.
@@paulamrod537 I am interested in learning more about the specifics of Stalin's repression of the arts. Can you recommend any books that cover the topic?
@@cflounder Yes From Larry Sitsky- An Australian composer wrote a book which is very well documented. It is called somewhat so. Music of the Suppressed Russian Avant Garde. I will look it up again and add the correct link www.amazon.com/Music-Repressed-Russian-Avant-Garde-1900-1929/dp/031326709X This book is the real deal. I Love the Music of Nilkolai Obukov. Go to You Tube and check it out. www.google.com/search?q=obuhov+you+tube&rlz=1C1GGGE_deDE735DE735&oq=obuhov+you+tube&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.16095j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
@@paulamrod537 I know that G. Popov was a laureate of the Stalin Prize of the second degree in 1946. He was writing his music up to his death 1972. Others had problems, but not with Stalin, but with other composers from Composer's Union who called such music anti-soviet.
Where is the tracklisting?
where do i buy this CD? cant find it anywhere. thanks
I don't know. I don't even remember where I bought it from.
I found it available here: www.amazon.com/Music-Soviet-Composers-20s-Popov/dp/B0007P498C