This Japanese Combo Leaves Me Genuinely Speechless
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this can easily be beaten by an early surrender
You avoid the humiliation
That’s funny 🤣
Actually it s easily beaten by a well managed very early Feudal All in
and the early surrender can easily be beaten by just uninstalling the game
I LOVE THAT THE 1v1 CONTENT IS BACK
This felt like a throw from Miriam. This comp seems pretty vulnerable to maa/spear/archer. The army value was almost twice as much for the Japanese player, that is what caused the steam roll
He was heavily outnumbered and was way over extended. Just felt like he needed to chill in his base and let the 2 TC cook some more
isnt it myriad? lol
As a JP main, thanks for this.. this Strat is immediately going into my tool box.
japanese civ is in the sultans dlc right ?? then how these players play these new civs like order of dragons ,byzantines or japanese??? even before it was released
@@soapmctavish4093it was realesed months ago
@@soapmctavish4093there was a small group with early access for balance testing, but you have to buy it now to have access.
@@soapmctavish4093 The DLC was released on the 15th of November 2023. What do you mean?
@@nguyenhongquang6397 Idk i thought it was released just now
I think the counter here was simple. make units. Myriad despite having a 30 villager lead just didn't seem to be making enough. A lot of it had to do with rallying them out piecemeal and losing them, but still. Make units + get a keep, to then get network of citadels. At that point men-at-arms + crossbow would have shredded
As an English main, I can confirm that those mounted samurai are nearly unstoppable. Mounted samurai just flatten their counters.
Like Drongo mentioned, the only thing to do is get up to gun powered units but it’s easier said than done. I’ve only pulled it off once.
"It's not a question of if, it's a question of... Sorry, it's not a question of when, it's a question of... " - WHAT!? :D
Mounted Samurai + Onna Bugeisha is a strong combo for a while, but it is far from being broken and unbeatable.
In this game Japanese player had almost double army value of the opponent by the moment of the fight because they stayed on 1 TC, intercepted a lot of reinforcements and saved on Stables.
On equal resources Spearmen + Longbowmen will beat this.
Later on Spearmen + MAAs + Mangonels, optionally with Crossbowmen depending on the percentage of Mounted Samurai.
Or just mass Knights, generally any mixed composition can be countered by massing one unit from this composition.
Chinese in particular can also keep up with Yorishiro production bonus using Imperial Officials if they want to compete in tempo.
would spears counter ona bugisha with equal resources in a designated fight? As in even if the ona b slightly win they still lost too much gold in order to win?
@@chrisnewtownnsw Onna Bugeisha will evaporate Spearmen, because they have extra range so that more of them are attacking at the same time.
Interestingly 1 Feudal Onna Bugeisha loses 1v1 to 1 Dark Age Spearman.
The Spearmen are there specifically to keep Knights at a distance while other units prevent Onna Bugeisha from diving on Spearmen.
This is why Spearmen need to keep moving back and forward to keep them alive to prevent Knights from joining the battle.
there was not enough time to build mass knights, maybe with white tower double production
Ona only being defeated by landskeinet as chinese no other option you need to use handcanon or ness of beast with lancer or imperial guards or manggonel that the only way the lack is only of cost maybe
Randy can solve this problem :D
Very true Randy's solve everything
Mounted samurais eat randy for breakfast though
MMA to hold the mounted samurai, lansknechts clump with the archers to hold the onna-bugeishas
as english??
Onna Bugeisha can't melt english MAA since they have 8 melee armor.
They would do only 2 damage a pop... MAA + xbow was the right call, but he didn't have the mass
yeah, he's definitely outnumbered on this one. made sense why the Onna's just pushed through the back line. that MAA line was so thin.
I do this combo as a Japanese player, but top it off with the Nehan conversion buff, which makes the ona bugeisha even faster.
The counter which I typically loose to is siege and gunpowder units. Ottomans are the worst D:
More 1v1 and 2v2 please!
As a Rus player I’d go knights and streltsy to try and counter this
I hope you have a good way of getting that much gold income
you also need imperial age for that stresltsy
Love it when you referencing HON
Army pop was 75 to 50 and the Du Du was using high-DPS units so the pop diff mattered even more. If Myriad hadn't trickled-in reinforcements earlier and hadn't floated over 1000 wood for like 5 minutes, army pops would have been more even and MAA+spear+xbow actually does decent against MSamurai+OB. Myriad also came forward into the mid-map before the last battle, which put him at a disadvantage because Du Du's army is much faster and can force a fight
Juggernaut hell yeah from Dota 2
Lantsneck definitely the best counter to this if you have access to it. Otherwise, archer and crossbow + walls should do it.
This jp tech has been an amazing addition to my toolbox
The only thing that comes to my mind that could beat this is knights and in the back line either archer to snipe buggatis or xbows to snipe samurai
Won 5 games in a row last night in 2v2, my teammate using only royal knights and me using only ona-bugeisha, worked like a charm even against higher ranked opponents.
THERE IS A DINOSAUR IN RED'S STARTING BASE!
as chineese i have tried mass grenadier against this, its good, BUT zhuxi with their +1 range and 15% damage bonus really melt infantry and knight mobs, Support with some springs with rollertrigger and that was pretty good.
Good dmg vs units and vs buildings too.
Works in gold league i guess XD
walls ? like a small defensive village around production like gold and farm
So nice to see more Japanese games.
What if you go knights and archers mixed with crossbiws?
Honestly I feel like if Myriad had rallied close to base way, WAY earlier and then sent spears/(cross)bows in groups of 6-7+, he would have just overwhelmed DuDu way before he could get a critical mass, let alone teched up to castle.
Sending in stuff 1 at a time absolutely cost him the game.
Good stuff
landsneckt wreck it.
Mass Knights?
in any rts where a>b>c>d you play as a. modern games are imbalanced on purpose because it is easier to make things imbalanced in a new way each patch than to try to balance a game where new content is still coming out (let alone balance it at all) so the easiest thing to do is play what is most broken atm
Baldequins and a castle 😂
Archers/spearmen and some english MAA.
Landschnek and HRE maa (with heavy maces) would rinse this army comp with equal army value
I think with Ayubids you go Camel Lancers and mass archers
Maybe mass archers spears? Idk
archer + crossbow + layers of walls should do better.
was surprised why no bannerman?
Randy only. Let’s go.
im no conq but maybe like you said watch your troop number and play in your base more than in mid but yeah tough combo
also aoe4 world is say those melee units are only counter by archers and knights so knights front line archer cross bow back line yeah idk tough to deal with
As Chinese, mass spears + nest of bees?
MMA + Pykes ? + 1 mangonel
Drongo, Outback Octagon 3 👀 whens it coming 👀
TBF Myriad made a big mistake not having full melee armor upgrades against mass bugeisha. Extra 1 armor makes a huge difference against them.
The answer to this comp might be knight + spear. Knights beat bugeisha on equal cost and spears helps them trade better against mounted samurai.
All your base are belong to us… 2001 song. 1991 game translation.
Anything with a decent amount of melee armour handles onna bugeisha, so maa, particularly English maa should excel against them. Imo this is not an op combo. Red just made a myriad of mistakes
nah you can see combat simulator RUclips vids where onna bugeisha fight maa and they still win. Maybe against English maa they may or may not win but if they did it would only be slightly better than a neutral trade
In the case of English, I think maa is the way to go. Other civs would have to rely on their own particular bonuses. Playing with them up against civs that get early knights for example has never felt good to me. Ranged units should work against them if they have a meatshield. It's not a straight-forward answer, and they can be a dangerous unit, but they're certainly not as op as Drongo suggests. This game was lost because red threw away all his reinforcements.
Bugeisha trail off in the late game too, so if slightly better than neutral trades is all you can get, then it should be enough
@@chrisnewtownnsw english man at arms get +2 melee and ranged armour
Đu Đủ in vietnamese is paypaya :D
Hah, guess that's fun to know
@@codiserville593 It is the clan rule or sth, the [RCQ] clantag is an abbrev of [Rau Củ Quả] or [Vegetables and Fruits] so clan members are all renamed into some kind of fruit or veggie
Spear nob?
(RCQ) Đu Đủ have true nick name MeoMaika ( Mèo is mean Cat ). Vietnamese player.
English just sent too many troops to meat Grinder 😨
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spears + landSHREKT. thats the answer. Just play HRE xD
The only counter: do it yourself lol
Do more ffa
is japan actually good?
Light infantry heavy cavalry is an obnoxious damage class combo, as you have few real overlapping counters.
The best bet I can see is to have a tanky front line and bring counters for the heavy cavalry. Since generally damage is good against lightly armored units even without counter modifiers, but you aren't going to cost effectively trade with sams without anti-samurai units.
Without tanky units to block off the Onna Bugeisha (Who would only do 2 damage to armor clad men at arms,) they are going to shred, as there are few survivable light units.
So in a way, all fast attacking good general damage units sort of counter light, as they are awful against highly elevated armor.
Musofadi warriors I remember when they had good base attack, as their attack speed was also pretty fast from what I remember.... Remember back when they got spammed? They were an anti heavy unit that had that dangerous combo of swing speed and damage, so they hit that natural "But we hit light too" band of attack speed.
I feel like HRE, Ayu/Abba, and byzantines also have ways of hard countering this.
Abbasid camels counter both JP unit types here, which is honestly really interesting.
spear landsknek? maybe counters it
What a name: du du 💩 💩
Dorongo:"this combo is unbeatable"
Meanwhile, Camel Archers(needs micro), camel lancers, camel riders(decent), desert riders(oh boy): excuse me?
Mounted samurai are ridiculous. Even with Camels they smoke me i dont understand.
"This Japanese Combo Leaves Me Genuinely Speechless"
*produces speech*
You have to beat the Japanese in feudal age. If you let the game get to castle you have lost already.
That's discouraging to hear haha but I know a bit of how you mean.
So then that means you gotta be attacking in under ten - nine minutes
Fully upgraded OOTD dominates Japan
the same gay xD
Yooooooooooo
Really escalated when Drongo said "He played against 'The same gay'" at about 19:20. Drongo, you gotta be nice buddy. Besides there is nothing wrong with being gay. He probably liked your playstyle. Thought you went hard on him.
Oh man, gross
Day 22 of asking drongo for a 1v1
The combo wasn't really that strong, it was just a numbers game. By 17min Japanese had double the army size, and it literally stayed that way for the rest of the game.
FFA Pleaaase, every 1v1 is a disappointment compared to FFA when I click :(
no ffa is boring af
Yeah I had to leave aoe4 until they fix ona b. The knights don’t counter them as they should.
onnabugeisha aren't even op lmao, knights do a great job at countering them
@@mnmmnmm nah RUclips search onna bugeisha aoe4. You'll see simulated fights between o-b vs knights and they slaughter the knights
try 2000