I don’t mean this as an attack on you, but I think your opinion of both Abuela and Ming Lee are tainted by your subconscious bias. Both of them had their backstory presented/hinted on earlier in the movie. It was not spelled out as in “this was a bad experience and this was traumatic on them” because culturally speaking that’s just not how those things are presented in Latin American and Asian American households. It is not as a prevalent of a conversation on those households as it is on White American houses. We usually get sugarcoated narrations of our families past, which is why the younger members of the family usually struggle to empathize with the flaws of the oldest. That was actually sort of the point of both movies- that the sugarcoating and lack of transparent communication regarding generational trauma will only lead to families drifting apart. It would make it more palatable for the white audience but it would do so at the cost of sacrificing the authenticity and the subtle commentary on immigrant secrecy culture that both movies attempt to make.
And it’s okay for you to say that it didn’t connect with you, I just don’t think it’s fair to say they weren’t a good example of Anti-Villain because they were! Just because they weren’t presented the way you’re culturally used to, doesn’t mean they’re poorly presented.
Thanks for this. I admit that I don't come from a very diverse background lol. The place where I live has a big LGBTQ+ movement, which is great, but my neighborhood, the school I go to and the major I'm in are unfortunately not the most ethnically diverse. My classes are 80% white kids. (As soon as I graduate you can bet I'm moving states.) I can look at these stories and analyze them all I want, but if I'm not a member of the community, I can't see how the story should be evaluated on that scale. Not just because of different experiences, but because people from different cultures have different values about what good storytelling should even look like. My opinion on the stories is never going to be totally complete because I just can't look at it from that perspective. If you or someone from those backgrounds does connect with them on a deeper level, then it gets five stars from me 👍
@@brainless_mastermindunfortunately? Lgbtq movement? Honey as a queer Afro latino living near the Asian quarter, I have NO idea what this race “connection” of the concept of generational trauma and familial communication. Yes, cultures may play a part in how it’s seen and approached, but this is giving “each race connects with chronic trauma VERY differently”. And at this point no it’s the person not the ethnic group. You’re note gonna magically gain more knowledge and emotional quotient just because more of your friend group has a different skin colour now. 🤷♂️ After a talk with some white friends to make sure I wasn’t crazy, I really don’t think that your race is the reason you didn’t connect with it. There are way WAY to many facets of an individual to accurately determine who will relate to what. However there ARE some concepts and tropes that are more broadly able to be predicted as to whom it will affect more, but this isn’t necessarily it. It’s more nuanced than people give it credit for. I’m also not sure what she’s talking about with “making it palatable” like…. Does she know who the staff were?
I disagree beyond the stuff that I have already said it seems that with Abuela she missed a couple of things in the movie itself and with Ming Li it was kind of a watered-down generic version of generational pressure because her backstory wasn’t properly flushed out. It was close though with Jin Li. I think you’re overextrapolating and she is underextrapolating EDIT: whilst knowing the nuance personally can help to relate while others can’t, some more details would’ve been nice
I 100% agree, but as you say, I don't mean it in a negative way. It was not hard to see what was being set up and I wasn't even raised in a POC household [I'm Black but adopted] I think maybe she was just a little ignorant and just didn't pick up on that.
Also, another interesting thing is that villains aren't necessary antagonists. There are movies in which the protagonist is the villain. But I'm not talking about Megamind or Despicable Me, I'm talking about protagonists who really are villains all throughout the movie, like the guy from the movie "The Founder" which shows how McDonald's came to be and how the guy responsible for it being what it is today was such an evil bitch.
I don't know why, but I _really_ like how Anxiety reacts when Riley believes "I'm not good enough." She expresses genuine concern and distress, because it wasn't the result she intended. That feels so realistic somehow!
I loved that moment so much especially as someone with anxiety just because I will often build mindsets that a bit of me knows is not going to be healthy and I will spiral on but I will have specific takeaways from different situations that I want to turn into smth productive, but it just ends up with an unhealthy mindset and ahhhhh that scene and Anxiety’s who character was just so perfect
I loved the film, loved Anxiety, but *especially* loved the symbiotic relationship between Anxiety and Envy- the way the two of them just keep egging each other on and setting each other up.
@@brainless_mastermind I think that was unintentional on Envy's part, cause she tries to reason with Anxiety when she looses control. She tries to say that "You're pushing her too far!" (If im remembering the line right)
@@nikospace4355 it’s definitely unintentional, but the doesn’t change the fact of it having happened. Envy only realizes how far they’ve both pushed Riley when it’s too late.
Noticeably, much like Joy's blue hair, Anxiety has a contrasting color in her design, Envy's teal is in Anxiety's eyes. Envy is depicted as the opposite of Disgust in this, Disgust pushes Riley away from things she doesn't want and Envy draws her towards the things she does want. Envy is desire. And Anxiety is inherently linked to desire, to wanting a certain outcome and the desperate need to work towards it. Maybe her teal eyes indicate that Envy blinds Anxiety to the growing problems in the plan.
Something interesting my friend said when we walked out of the theatre: while the previous cords of Riley's Self were statements or facts (like "I help my friends"), Anxiety's cords were all conditions ("if Val likes me, I won't be alone") which is great foreshadowing to the conclusion that the new Anxiety-made Self reaches: if you have to meet so many external conditions to be adequate, that means you - on your own - aren't enough.
I realized it from the moment Anxiety placed the first anxious memory for her new Sense of Self that it sounded more like a hypothesis (like the ones we'd make in science class lol) than a statement. Basically: "If I __(insert action to do)__, I will __(consequence)__." Just like what you just said, it means that the current, present day Riley, wasn't good enough *now,* out of only planning ahead.
What I thought was great about Anxiety were her parallels to Joy in the first movie. Joy tried to throw out a core memory despite the system clearly wanting it and Anxiety threw out the sense of self despite not having anything to replace it with. Both think that they know what's best for Riley and ignore any contradictions to that vision causing various disasters.
That's true. The underlying theme of the franchise so far seems to be about learning to accept yourself, your emotions and your thoughts, and they're doing a great job of keeping that consistent
Part of why Anxiety is so likeable is because she's nice to the other emotions. She's nice towards Envy, Embarrassment, and Ennui, and even when she finds Sadness, she doesn't throw her out again or kill or or anything
She wasn't even slightly passive-aggressive towards Sadness when she found her, either She genuinely just tried talking to Sadness and didn't even rip the phone out of her hands, but instead gently took it away
(9 minutes ago?!) I literally went in with low expectations knowing that this franchise is cooked. Then I watched it and it became one of my favorite movies lol
I know, it's so good and so unexpected too. Especially with all the pop culture references like "spilling the tea" lol, you'd think it would come off weird but I actually vibed with it
@@brainless_mastermindThe “We spilled the tea!” scene was executed PERFECTLY. Quick and subtle enough to not be cringe, plus it was a fun play on words like “Brain freeze” I honestly didn’t expect my mom to get the reference while we were watching together.
@@brainless_mastermind I watched it in spanish, so I didn't get it at first, but my brother did, and then I was like "OHHHH they spilled the tea in that sense"
Personal reminder, Anxiety is the main antagonist but she is not a full blown villain. She does have good intentions in trying to help Riley plan for everything, but by the time her new Sense of Self was finished, only then did she start to regret her decisions and actions for Riley. (Sure she asked if it was pushing her too far to sneak the coach’s notebook, but Envy pushed her back into the wrong direction)
Honestly the entire time I watched the movie, I had my eyes practically peeled for what anxiety might do next and analyzing her actions. The hockey scene in particular had me on the edge of my seat.
Something that I unexpectedly loved about the film was how much I saw myself in anxiety. I think it hit me harder because, 1. I'm a teenager, anxiety is a constant lol, and 2. She is one of the most relatable characters I've seen in a film. She's a control freak. She's always stressing on how to plan out the next social interaction to the point that she won't do anything else and won't allow anyone to do anything else. Inside of that tornado, you can see... She has no idea how to do what she says she has to. I'm very similar. I'm a control freak to a lesser extend than her. I hate roller coasters because one of my biggest fears is a complete lack of control in a scary situation. So, I always create plans on how to do what I need to. Im very organized, and this film got me to realize that if I'm always stressing about what I'll do next, I'll never be able to enjoy myself in those activities. I don't know how much sense this made, but basically this film hit me pretty hard.
I really loved your video! Inside Out 2 was really honestly such a stellar movie. It really is helpful to imagine my panic attacks as a tiny little Fraggle in my brain just trying to protect me ❤
Honestly, I rate Anxiety same as you, but for the exact opposite reason. I geniuenly hated her in the best way possible. For me, since the movie made it seem that sense of self is who Riley actually is, it felt like Anxiety was killing Riley and creating a better one rather than helping her. And her desire to improve Riley felt more selfish because she cared about her success -which is basically Anxiety's success- more rather than Riley's actual well being. Great video though.
That's a good point. If there's anything I would say about her being unlikable, it would be that she was very controlling and had little to no respect for the other emotions' ideas, but I got the sense that she wasn't doing it intentionally and her arc in the end was good enough redemption for me to still like her. I can see where you're coming from, thanks for the comment!
This is in fact a very realistic approach. Our brains are not wired to keep us happy. They are wired to keep us safe. And this movie does a perfect job of showing what that can look like. Take myself as an example: I grew up a neurodiverse person. Because of that, I got corrected way more, punished more and judged way more than other childreb around me, also bc we didn't know about my neurodiversity. Thus my brain has learned to associate making mistakes with being in danger. Doing something wrong or how it's not supposed to go is dangerous. This is why neurodiverse people then have things likr rejection sensitivity, the fear of being perceived, can get panic attaxks and meltdowns from simply not finishing a seemingly simple thing. We make a mistake and then our repitilian brain instantly thinks we're in danger and will do anything it knows to do to get us safe: assuming rejection with the smallest things. Not wanting do do certain things in the presence of other people. Stuff like that. Because we would be in danger otherwise. This counts for every animal on the planet. Every animal's brain is designed to keep them safe and thus be able to survive and multiply. That does not include being happy sadly...
Tbf I think that's just how anxiety works, it's "selfish" to the majority who don't understand and because of how hard it is sometimes to control for some people, it often stops them from growing or becoming a better person, and sometimes is very self destructive despite an attempt to keep you safe. But it's also a coping mechanism that even stems way back from our ancestors in the form of the amygdala. A gland in our brain that gives people this flight or fight response once they feel there is a perceived danger. And on the other hand, I think Riley's emotions are a part of Riley after all, to separate them from her just feels a bit weird. I think anxiety throwing the sense of self out of the window is honestly pretty accurate (a much more simpler approach for child audiences to understand), because anxiety in general can lead you to doubt who you truly are, that sometimes, you don't even know yourself because your sense of self is lost in your worries about the future and fears within your subconscious. And you can see this when Anxiety takes over, Riley's sense of self is affected by the people around her, and like how someone said in the comments section is conditional compared to Joy's more steadfast sense of self.
Great video! Honestly, something I’d love to see Pixar do for Inside Out 3 is explore the scrapped character Shame, they have so much potential as a character, and from the concept art it seemed as if they were either this unnatural deity, or this girl failure. Both concepts I absolutely adore (it’d be cool if it was somehow both, switching between forms or something). Imagine if like, Shame was always there, hiding away in Riley’s subconscious rather than being up in headquarters, and you could retroactively build them up by implying that they were the one to have greyed out the console from the bad idea in the first Inside Out. The whole story could be trying to get to shame leaving headquarters rather than getting back to it; in order to comfort them, but they keep pushing back. Aghhh we were robbed I tell ya, but perhaps they knew Anxiety was the more important character to show first, and saved Shame for the third movie (which I’m actually hoping for).
Oh that's interesting about the grayed console. I felt like the first movie was trying to be an allegory for depression, where Riley just became apathetic and lost her interest in things she liked (i.e., losing the islands of personality and no longer having fun goofing off or playing hockey)
I think Shame could appear in the third film, too. In Inside Out 2, we see Riley go from being the bland character she was in the first film, even mostly wearing dull colors, to someone beginning to embrace brighter colors and creativity, enjoying playing the guitar and skating without needing to score goals. However, there's a sense that this is just the beginning, not the complete shift. Shame could appear in the third film to threaten Riley's self-esteem, making Joy and Riley have to choose between making others happy and pleasing themselves.
@@GuineaPig361 YES! and you can have Shame learn self acceptance from that arc. Cuz you can still feel shame, but use it as a motivation to be more confident! Or something to that caliber, imagine a scene with Joy hugging Shame, accepting them and vice versa.
Inside Out 2 is one of those movies that isn’t notably better or notably worse than its predecessor overall, it’s right on par with one of Pixar’s staple movies that was Inside Out. There were some things I didn’t enjoy as much, mainly how underused Ennui was (pretty sure she used the console like… 6 times max), how stretched out Bluefy felt, and the adventure throughout the mind felt a lot more sparse. But Riley’s side of the story, the anxious projection studio scene, the way the video game character was animated, Joy losing her temper, “I’m not good enough”, pretty much every scene with Anxiety, they just SOARED. 9/10
She isn’t a villain. She’s an antagonist because while her motives have no intentional malice in them (she was doing what she thinks is best for Riley), she was working against the protagonists.
god, I LOVE villains that are functionally the same as the heroes. The same motivations, the same traits, but opposite ways of going about it. I am a sucker for it every single time.
People will not see the same thing as me but as someone who had a strict coach, I have nothing against her. She is pushing Riley and sees potential in her, that is why Val said she is hard on her but it means she is on the roll. Riley had to figure out how she can manage her emotions, the main mistake was Riley suppressed her main emotions and had the wrong motives. This is where at the end she realized she played hockey because she loves the sport. A good balance of Joy and Anxiety makes a healthy anxiety, which is being self-aware, relaxed and optimistic.
Minus what you said about Gabby Gabby (I honestly think you just misunderstood her place in Toy Story 4), You pretty much hit the nail on the head with Anxiety. 👍
I loved anxiety as a character and I liked the resolution- kind of. As someone who has always suffered with really bad anxiety, it kind of left me feeling irked or confused when they had anxiety behind the other emotions in her chair. I’ve been trying to accept my anxiety, not be afraid of it, and having her character (which was the whole reason the things that happened did) suddenly be in the back felt lame and unfinished. If they had shown anxiety being a part of Riley and working along side the other emotions, it would’ve signaled to the audience that “anxiety is not against you it’s something you have to work with, adapt with” it would have been better. This could just be what I think of the ending myself, anxiety affects people in different ways so maybe I’m reading it incorrectly. But I think it would’ve been better had they put anxiety with the main cast and had her be with everybody- as her whole stick is not being alone
I disagree with your final dislike of "let go" because you have to remember that this story is about Riley and the death grip anxiety has on her. As someone with a partner with clinical anxiety, I often find myself wishing I could tell them to "stop overthinking" even though I know it's unhelpful. loving someone with anxiety is a constant wish for anxiety to "let (them) go" so they could be happy or think rationally. I also think it's wordplay based on being "in the grip" of a panic/anxiety attack. Can't wait for your video on character assassination -_- I'm sure it's coming knowing mega-corporate conglomerate Disney
i totally agree! i think that riley's fear was more of being inadequate and being alone - anxiety was afraid of that on riley's behalf. anxiety and joy's arcs were both about learning to let go and allow riley to think of herself as HERSELF, not exclusively good or conditionally good. 'let her go' was poignant and perfect!
the biggest thing i didn‘t like in the movie was, how riley recovered from the anxiety attack on her own. i hoped that her friends calmed her down and at first, she wouldn‘t notice her friends cuz she was too focused on herself being better or even push them away but her friends kept trying to help her. making her realize that she was always good enough and that her friends still liked her
For some people, having other people get involved could worsen the anxiety attack and might lead to lashing out. Personal experience, I recover from anxiety attacks fastest by being alone and just riding it out. Other people talking can add to the overwhelming and unpredictability of things
@@journey9641 yeah but i just wanted her friends to play a bigger role. there was a moment when one of her friends glanced over to her and actually worried but did nothing and then it was just fine.
@@journey9641 Good point! Riley does have a temper, so, she probably learned to get away from people when upset due to that. Now that Anger's learning creative solutions, Riley could become more open as she matures.
@@kermitsudoku6446then that would take away from Joy and Anxiety’s scene, with Riley finding her sense of Joy back, growing from her mistakes and finding a new sense of self Besides the fact that some people don’t want someone else to calm them and it’s better for them to do it alone
Thank you so much for your wonderful videos! This one especially, so far, gave me so many ideas for how I can write my own villain and antagonist character! Watching this at night probably wasn't my best idea because now I'm going to be up thinking way too much about how to write my characters :,3
I think it be cool in Inside Out 3, instead of introducing new emotions they focus more on how other peoples emotions can affect yours and vice versa, maybe by adding a phone that allows emotions from different people’s heads to talk to each other, or literally having different peoples emotions visit each others headquarters. I think that would track very well with childhood development. When your a kid your emotions run everything, then you develop your own identity, then you become more aware of the identities of others.
@@brainless_mastermindLemme guess, hmmmmm, you did a ton of Wish videos and you broke down all the songs, most of the words in the songs made you mad so your favorite emotion must be Anger.
Sadness in Inside Out Anxiety in Inside Out 2 Though they play off of each other so well that it’s really hard to make it a ranking. They’re siblings and you cannot convince me otherwise
Hi! Loved your analysis. Just wanted to compliment on one thing… Personally, I thought the “you need to let go” part was an amazing message for the anxiety attack. Dealing with anxiety myself and treating it in therapy, I’ve realized most of anxiety comes from tightly holding on to racing uncontrolled pessimistic thoughts. Saying “you need to let go” is spot on, in how to treat and better resolve symptoms caused by an anxiety attack. By teaching the mind to let go, redirect thoughts and breathe deeply, dealing with anxiety gets easier little by little. Riley not only “lets go” of her racing thoughts but also focuses on her senses, touches the wooden seat, listens to the ice skating and people around her, feels the sun in her face…. They literally showed how to deal with an anxiety attack. It’s a very emotional and freeing thing to witness for someone who has suffered from them and showing it for young viewers is very empowering. Hope this contributes :)
All of the pre anxiety sense of self parts are non conditional “facts” to Riley, she truly believes them at her core, I am kind, I am a good friend etc. but all of anxiety’s sense of self components are conditional, if I make the team, if I am popular, anxiety causes doubt, she doubts these things and that climaxes in her realizing that she isn’t, she won’t do those things, because she has doubt, anxieties own doings cause her downfall,
Exactly, it's a really great message. I think it's really important to be in a mental place where your own sense of self worth doesn't depend on anyone or anything else. If there's a lesson I hope people take from the movie, it's that
I loved this movie and I ABSOLUTELY loved Anxiety, (thought I’d never hear those words). I have major social Anxiety so I knew I was going to resonate with the character. The fear of being alone really hits me cause that’s what I think of and have every single day
Anxiety Is not a fucking Villain?! Anxiety is just being You Know Anxiety! When you have Anxiety you feel like you have to do everything perfect, fast and responsible, and when you have anxiety you're possibly affecting your health. So Anxiety is not a Villain! Shes just being what Anxiety Looks like.
I watched this after despicable Me 4 and God the quality difference was amazing I actually felt something from this movie while despicable Me 4. Just made me feel...... for lack of a better word Ennui
I went in ready to hate this movie And while I still have critiques. (Fear should have been the villian in a similiar plot) I really liked the movie. Excited to read your break down.
I looove inside out and i looove inside out 2! I watched the first movie so many times so seeing the second one with so much polish and quality was crazy. It's a gorgeous movie! My family is pretty emotional so when we whent to watch the 2nd movie, i cried at the part where Joy tells Anxiety she has to let go while Anxiety is crying because she knows she's hurting Riley and also overworking herself but is just so scared of her plan failing. My mom cried when all the emotions hugged Riley's new sense of self to help her feel better. And my dad even cried at the part where Joy says "maybe when you grow up, you feel less joy" 🥺
I have a question, since joy and anxiety are so similar with their motives, actions, and arcs in the first and second movie, do you believe it’s fair to call joy the villain of the first movie? Me personally I feel like anxiety leans more into being a “villain” while joy is not.
I think the antagonist in Brother Bear is one of the closest we have to an anti-villain - it's just a brother who wants to avenge the death of his brother by mistakenly hunt his other brother in bear form. (The only detriment - he isn't in very much of the movie.) You could also identify a lot of sympathetic villains in the original Lilo & Stitch (disregarding the rest of the franchise), but it would take time and splitting hairs to determine who is a full-fleshed anti-villain. And - yeah, I fully admit, none of them is quite as complex as Anxiety. 😅
I guess you could say Lilo & Stitch has some fun anti-villains, but yeah that deserves an analysis all its own. I'm gonna be so honest I havent seen brother bear in probably 10 years lol
If Pixar does make an inside out three would it be a time skip to college or maybe when Riley get's married and starts a family of her own? if nothing else we need to see more of nostalgia.
I dont know about the likability of Anxiety, but I do feel like anxiety did perform acts to hurt the heros of the story, first by removing Riley’s sense of self and casting it into the oblivion, while the main character treated it as something really important for Riley, second is to bottled the original emotions and send them away to the fault. I feel like unlike the first movie where the characters’ obstacles was created by chance events, having anxiety and the other new emotions specifically doing acts to disrupt and destroy left a very bad taste in my mouth, and I have never like anxiety and envy ever since.
I have not seen this movie yet but good to know villains are back in Disney/Pixar animation movies. Granted i did got a feeling they where gonna be after Wish because Disney and Pixar always copy each other they did it with twist villains and than they did it with no villains.
( spoiler if you haven’t watched Luca ) I hate Ercole he’s so horrible especially cuz he’s an adult picking on and beating little children. It doesn’t matter if they are sea monster children. Which I guess is a good thing because it means they made a good villain.
the character that I DESIGNED doesn’t look like miss frizzle. ITS STYLISTIC that’s why she doesn’t have a nose. IM DEEPLY OFFENDED EVERYONE IS SAYING SHE LOOKS LIKE MISS FRIZZLE. I am a SUCCESSFUL ARTIST and you all are HATERS 😃
It's funny you should say that because I think the fact that he is so pathetic is what makes him so entertaining to me. He's not for everyone though haha
I don’t mean this as an attack on you, but I think your opinion of both Abuela and Ming Lee are tainted by your subconscious bias. Both of them had their backstory presented/hinted on earlier in the movie. It was not spelled out as in “this was a bad experience and this was traumatic on them” because culturally speaking that’s just not how those things are presented in Latin American and Asian American households. It is not as a prevalent of a conversation on those households as it is on White American houses. We usually get sugarcoated narrations of our families past, which is why the younger members of the family usually struggle to empathize with the flaws of the oldest. That was actually sort of the point of both movies- that the sugarcoating and lack of transparent communication regarding generational trauma will only lead to families drifting apart. It would make it more palatable for the white audience but it would do so at the cost of sacrificing the authenticity and the subtle commentary on immigrant secrecy culture that both movies attempt to make.
And it’s okay for you to say that it didn’t connect with you, I just don’t think it’s fair to say they weren’t a good example of Anti-Villain because they were! Just because they weren’t presented the way you’re culturally used to, doesn’t mean they’re poorly presented.
Thanks for this. I admit that I don't come from a very diverse background lol. The place where I live has a big LGBTQ+ movement, which is great, but my neighborhood, the school I go to and the major I'm in are unfortunately not the most ethnically diverse. My classes are 80% white kids. (As soon as I graduate you can bet I'm moving states.)
I can look at these stories and analyze them all I want, but if I'm not a member of the community, I can't see how the story should be evaluated on that scale. Not just because of different experiences, but because people from different cultures have different values about what good storytelling should even look like. My opinion on the stories is never going to be totally complete because I just can't look at it from that perspective. If you or someone from those backgrounds does connect with them on a deeper level, then it gets five stars from me 👍
@@brainless_mastermindunfortunately? Lgbtq movement?
Honey as a queer Afro latino living near the Asian quarter, I have NO idea what this race “connection” of the concept of generational trauma and familial communication. Yes, cultures may play a part in how it’s seen and approached, but this is giving “each race connects with chronic trauma VERY differently”. And at this point no it’s the person not the ethnic group. You’re note gonna magically gain more knowledge and emotional quotient just because more of your friend group has a different skin colour now. 🤷♂️
After a talk with some white friends to make sure I wasn’t crazy, I really don’t think that your race is the reason you didn’t connect with it. There are way WAY to many facets of an individual to accurately determine who will relate to what.
However there ARE some concepts and tropes that are more broadly able to be predicted as to whom it will affect more, but this isn’t necessarily it. It’s more nuanced than people give it credit for.
I’m also not sure what she’s talking about with “making it palatable” like…. Does she know who the staff were?
I disagree beyond the stuff that I have already said it seems that with Abuela she missed a couple of things in the movie itself and with Ming Li it was kind of a watered-down generic version of generational pressure because her backstory wasn’t properly flushed out. It was close though with Jin Li.
I think you’re overextrapolating and she is underextrapolating
EDIT: whilst knowing the nuance personally can help to relate while others can’t, some more details would’ve been nice
I 100% agree, but as you say, I don't mean it in a negative way. It was not hard to see what was being set up and I wasn't even raised in a POC household [I'm Black but adopted]
I think maybe she was just a little ignorant and just didn't pick up on that.
Anxiety is not a villain, she is an antagonist. Unlike villains, antagonists aren’t necessarily evil.
Also, another interesting thing is that villains aren't necessary antagonists. There are movies in which the protagonist is the villain. But I'm not talking about Megamind or Despicable Me, I'm talking about protagonists who really are villains all throughout the movie, like the guy from the movie "The Founder" which shows how McDonald's came to be and how the guy responsible for it being what it is today was such an evil bitch.
did u even watch the video? lol
Somebody didn't read the disclaimer around 0:47
An antagonist can be a villain but yeah Anxiety isn't really a villainess.
@user-yy2uj4sm2o death note is a good example of that
I don't know why, but I _really_ like how Anxiety reacts when Riley believes "I'm not good enough." She expresses genuine concern and distress, because it wasn't the result she intended. That feels so realistic somehow!
I loved that moment so much especially as someone with anxiety just because I will often build mindsets that a bit of me knows is not going to be healthy and I will spiral on but I will have specific takeaways from different situations that I want to turn into smth productive, but it just ends up with an unhealthy mindset and ahhhhh that scene and Anxiety’s who character was just so perfect
I loved the film, loved Anxiety, but *especially* loved the symbiotic relationship between Anxiety and Envy- the way the two of them just keep egging each other on and setting each other up.
That's true, envy was always there to send anxiety further into that spiral when she showed signs of turning back lol
@@brainless_mastermind I think that was unintentional on Envy's part, cause she tries to reason with Anxiety when she looses control. She tries to say that "You're pushing her too far!" (If im remembering the line right)
@@nikospace4355”You’re putting to much pressure on her!” Is the line btw (I’ve watched the movie too many times 💀)
@@nikospace4355 it’s definitely unintentional, but the doesn’t change the fact of it having happened. Envy only realizes how far they’ve both pushed Riley when it’s too late.
Noticeably, much like Joy's blue hair, Anxiety has a contrasting color in her design, Envy's teal is in Anxiety's eyes. Envy is depicted as the opposite of Disgust in this, Disgust pushes Riley away from things she doesn't want and Envy draws her towards the things she does want. Envy is desire. And Anxiety is inherently linked to desire, to wanting a certain outcome and the desperate need to work towards it. Maybe her teal eyes indicate that Envy blinds Anxiety to the growing problems in the plan.
Something interesting my friend said when we walked out of the theatre: while the previous cords of Riley's Self were statements or facts (like "I help my friends"), Anxiety's cords were all conditions ("if Val likes me, I won't be alone") which is great foreshadowing to the conclusion that the new Anxiety-made Self reaches: if you have to meet so many external conditions to be adequate, that means you - on your own - aren't enough.
I realized it from the moment Anxiety placed the first anxious memory for her new Sense of Self that it sounded more like a hypothesis (like the ones we'd make in science class lol) than a statement. Basically:
"If I __(insert action to do)__, I will __(consequence)__."
Just like what you just said, it means that the current, present day Riley, wasn't good enough *now,* out of only planning ahead.
What I thought was great about Anxiety were her parallels to Joy in the first movie. Joy tried to throw out a core memory despite the system clearly wanting it and Anxiety threw out the sense of self despite not having anything to replace it with. Both think that they know what's best for Riley and ignore any contradictions to that vision causing various disasters.
That's true. The underlying theme of the franchise so far seems to be about learning to accept yourself, your emotions and your thoughts, and they're doing a great job of keeping that consistent
Part of why Anxiety is so likeable is because she's nice to the other emotions. She's nice towards Envy, Embarrassment, and Ennui, and even when she finds Sadness, she doesn't throw her out again or kill or or anything
She wasn't even slightly passive-aggressive towards Sadness when she found her, either
She genuinely just tried talking to Sadness and didn't even rip the phone out of her hands, but instead gently took it away
I wouldn’t say anxiety is a villain, more of an antagonist trying to see what’s best for Riley but doing it in the wrong way by worrying.
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I mean, Anxiety is already my own personal villain, so…😂😅
not a Perfect Villain, a Perfect Antagonist
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I literally went in with low expectations knowing that this franchise is cooked. Then I watched it and it became one of my favorite movies lol
I know, it's so good and so unexpected too. Especially with all the pop culture references like "spilling the tea" lol, you'd think it would come off weird but I actually vibed with it
@@brainless_mastermindThe “We spilled the tea!” scene was executed PERFECTLY. Quick and subtle enough to not be cringe, plus it was a fun play on words like “Brain freeze”
I honestly didn’t expect my mom to get the reference while we were watching together.
@@IAteABox I know it was so quick I actually missed it the first time around lol
@@brainless_mastermind I watched it in spanish, so I didn't get it at first, but my brother did, and then I was like "OHHHH they spilled the tea in that sense"
Also in the imagination fort, one of the screens shows a scenario with riley, a guy and val in the distracted boyfriend format @brainless_mastermind
Personal reminder, Anxiety is the main antagonist but she is not a full blown villain. She does have good intentions in trying to help Riley plan for everything, but by the time her new Sense of Self was finished, only then did she start to regret her decisions and actions for Riley.
(Sure she asked if it was pushing her too far to sneak the coach’s notebook, but Envy pushed her back into the wrong direction)
Honestly the entire time I watched the movie, I had my eyes practically peeled for what anxiety might do next and analyzing her actions. The hockey scene in particular had me on the edge of my seat.
Something that I unexpectedly loved about the film was how much I saw myself in anxiety. I think it hit me harder because, 1. I'm a teenager, anxiety is a constant lol, and 2. She is one of the most relatable characters I've seen in a film. She's a control freak. She's always stressing on how to plan out the next social interaction to the point that she won't do anything else and won't allow anyone to do anything else. Inside of that tornado, you can see... She has no idea how to do what she says she has to. I'm very similar. I'm a control freak to a lesser extend than her. I hate roller coasters because one of my biggest fears is a complete lack of control in a scary situation. So, I always create plans on how to do what I need to. Im very organized, and this film got me to realize that if I'm always stressing about what I'll do next, I'll never be able to enjoy myself in those activities. I don't know how much sense this made, but basically this film hit me pretty hard.
Yeah they did a great job making this movie really hit. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I really loved your video! Inside Out 2 was really honestly such a stellar movie. It really is helpful to imagine my panic attacks as a tiny little Fraggle in my brain just trying to protect me ❤
A tortured, scared little fraggle
Ironically calming
She's a good example of an "anti-villain"
Honestly, I rate Anxiety same as you, but for the exact opposite reason. I geniuenly hated her in the best way possible.
For me, since the movie made it seem that sense of self is who Riley actually is, it felt like Anxiety was killing Riley and creating a better one rather than helping her. And her desire to improve Riley felt more selfish because she cared about her success -which is basically Anxiety's success- more rather than Riley's actual well being.
Great video though.
That's a good point. If there's anything I would say about her being unlikable, it would be that she was very controlling and had little to no respect for the other emotions' ideas, but I got the sense that she wasn't doing it intentionally and her arc in the end was good enough redemption for me to still like her. I can see where you're coming from, thanks for the comment!
This is in fact a very realistic approach. Our brains are not wired to keep us happy. They are wired to keep us safe. And this movie does a perfect job of showing what that can look like. Take myself as an example: I grew up a neurodiverse person. Because of that, I got corrected way more, punished more and judged way more than other childreb around me, also bc we didn't know about my neurodiversity. Thus my brain has learned to associate making mistakes with being in danger. Doing something wrong or how it's not supposed to go is dangerous. This is why neurodiverse people then have things likr rejection sensitivity, the fear of being perceived, can get panic attaxks and meltdowns from simply not finishing a seemingly simple thing. We make a mistake and then our repitilian brain instantly thinks we're in danger and will do anything it knows to do to get us safe: assuming rejection with the smallest things. Not wanting do do certain things in the presence of other people. Stuff like that. Because we would be in danger otherwise.
This counts for every animal on the planet. Every animal's brain is designed to keep them safe and thus be able to survive and multiply. That does not include being happy sadly...
Tbf I think that's just how anxiety works, it's "selfish" to the majority who don't understand and because of how hard it is sometimes to control for some people, it often stops them from growing or becoming a better person, and sometimes is very self destructive despite an attempt to keep you safe. But it's also a coping mechanism that even stems way back from our ancestors in the form of the amygdala. A gland in our brain that gives people this flight or fight response once they feel there is a perceived danger.
And on the other hand, I think Riley's emotions are a part of Riley after all, to separate them from her just feels a bit weird. I think anxiety throwing the sense of self out of the window is honestly pretty accurate (a much more simpler approach for child audiences to understand), because anxiety in general can lead you to doubt who you truly are, that sometimes, you don't even know yourself because your sense of self is lost in your worries about the future and fears within your subconscious. And you can see this when Anxiety takes over, Riley's sense of self is affected by the people around her, and like how someone said in the comments section is conditional compared to Joy's more steadfast sense of self.
Great video! Honestly, something I’d love to see Pixar do for Inside Out 3 is explore the scrapped character Shame, they have so much potential as a character, and from the concept art it seemed as if they were either this unnatural deity, or this girl failure. Both concepts I absolutely adore (it’d be cool if it was somehow both, switching between forms or something). Imagine if like, Shame was always there, hiding away in Riley’s subconscious rather than being up in headquarters, and you could retroactively build them up by implying that they were the one to have greyed out the console from the bad idea in the first Inside Out. The whole story could be trying to get to shame leaving headquarters rather than getting back to it; in order to comfort them, but they keep pushing back. Aghhh we were robbed I tell ya, but perhaps they knew Anxiety was the more important character to show first, and saved Shame for the third movie (which I’m actually hoping for).
Oh that's interesting about the grayed console. I felt like the first movie was trying to be an allegory for depression, where Riley just became apathetic and lost her interest in things she liked (i.e., losing the islands of personality and no longer having fun goofing off or playing hockey)
@@brainless_mastermindthat’s true! But you can say how that action of running brought of shame, and that shame was the driving force for that apathy.
I think Shame could appear in the third film, too. In Inside Out 2, we see Riley go from being the bland character she was in the first film, even mostly wearing dull colors, to someone beginning to embrace brighter colors and creativity, enjoying playing the guitar and skating without needing to score goals. However, there's a sense that this is just the beginning, not the complete shift. Shame could appear in the third film to threaten Riley's self-esteem, making Joy and Riley have to choose between making others happy and pleasing themselves.
@@GuineaPig361 YES! and you can have Shame learn self acceptance from that arc. Cuz you can still feel shame, but use it as a motivation to be more confident! Or something to that caliber, imagine a scene with Joy hugging Shame, accepting them and vice versa.
Maybe shame could be used to regret your mistakes and be humble. Because if you don't feel shame, you'll become too prideful.
Inside Out 2 is one of those movies that isn’t notably better or notably worse than its predecessor overall, it’s right on par with one of Pixar’s staple movies that was Inside Out.
There were some things I didn’t enjoy as much, mainly how underused Ennui was (pretty sure she used the console like… 6 times max), how stretched out Bluefy felt, and the adventure throughout the mind felt a lot more sparse.
But Riley’s side of the story, the anxious projection studio scene, the way the video game character was animated, Joy losing her temper, “I’m not good enough”, pretty much every scene with Anxiety, they just SOARED.
9/10
Literally couldn't agree more
She isn’t a villain. She’s an antagonist because while her motives have no intentional malice in them (she was doing what she thinks is best for Riley), she was working against the protagonists.
god, I LOVE villains that are functionally the same as the heroes. The same motivations, the same traits, but opposite ways of going about it. I am a sucker for it every single time.
Subversive villains are just the best
People will not see the same thing as me but as someone who had a strict coach, I have nothing against her. She is pushing Riley and sees potential in her, that is why Val said she is hard on her but it means she is on the roll. Riley had to figure out how she can manage her emotions, the main mistake was Riley suppressed her main emotions and had the wrong motives. This is where at the end she realized she played hockey because she loves the sport. A good balance of Joy and Anxiety makes a healthy anxiety, which is being self-aware, relaxed and optimistic.
True, having a balance of Joy and other emotions is a good way to sum up the themes of the franchise
Inside out cleverly hinted the sequel via the Puberty alarm!
Anytime someone calls Anxiety a villain, an angel dies
Fagin is a villain
Video author is ignoring every comment that calls out the "villain" claim 😂
@@stellastarfield1111 Because they already put a disclaimer in the video, and yet people choose to pretend it was never there.
When Anxiety screamed "you have to score Reilly" it literally sent chills down my spine
Minus what you said about Gabby Gabby (I honestly think you just misunderstood her place in Toy Story 4), You pretty much hit the nail on the head with Anxiety. 👍
I loved anxiety as a character and I liked the resolution- kind of. As someone who has always suffered with really bad anxiety, it kind of left me feeling irked or confused when they had anxiety behind the other emotions in her chair. I’ve been trying to accept my anxiety, not be afraid of it, and having her character (which was the whole reason the things that happened did) suddenly be in the back felt lame and unfinished. If they had shown anxiety being a part of Riley and working along side the other emotions, it would’ve signaled to the audience that “anxiety is not against you it’s something you have to work with, adapt with” it would have been better. This could just be what I think of the ending myself, anxiety affects people in different ways so maybe I’m reading it incorrectly. But I think it would’ve been better had they put anxiety with the main cast and had her be with everybody- as her whole stick is not being alone
I disagree with your final dislike of "let go" because you have to remember that this story is about Riley and the death grip anxiety has on her. As someone with a partner with clinical anxiety, I often find myself wishing I could tell them to "stop overthinking" even though I know it's unhelpful. loving someone with anxiety is a constant wish for anxiety to "let (them) go" so they could be happy or think rationally. I also think it's wordplay based on being "in the grip" of a panic/anxiety attack.
Can't wait for your video on character assassination -_- I'm sure it's coming knowing mega-corporate conglomerate Disney
i totally agree! i think that riley's fear was more of being inadequate and being alone - anxiety was afraid of that on riley's behalf. anxiety and joy's arcs were both about learning to let go and allow riley to think of herself as HERSELF, not exclusively good or conditionally good. 'let her go' was poignant and perfect!
the biggest thing i didn‘t like in the movie was, how riley recovered from the anxiety attack on her own. i hoped that her friends calmed her down and at first, she wouldn‘t notice her friends cuz she was too focused on herself being better or even push them away but her friends kept trying to help her. making her realize that she was always good enough and that her friends still liked her
For some people, having other people get involved could worsen the anxiety attack and might lead to lashing out. Personal experience, I recover from anxiety attacks fastest by being alone and just riding it out. Other people talking can add to the overwhelming and unpredictability of things
@@journey9641 yeah but i just wanted her friends to play a bigger role. there was a moment when one of her friends glanced over to her and actually worried but did nothing and then it was just fine.
@@journey9641 Good point! Riley does have a temper, so, she probably learned to get away from people when upset due to that. Now that Anger's learning creative solutions, Riley could become more open as she matures.
@@kermitsudoku6446then that would take away from Joy and Anxiety’s scene, with Riley finding her sense of Joy back, growing from her mistakes and finding a new sense of self
Besides the fact that some people don’t want someone else to calm them and it’s better for them to do it alone
@@artemismoore4176 yeah true. you‘re right.
Thank you so much for your wonderful videos! This one especially, so far, gave me so many ideas for how I can write my own villain and antagonist character! Watching this at night probably wasn't my best idea because now I'm going to be up thinking way too much about how to write my characters :,3
They are making a series about the movie in spring of 2025, so im excited to see where that goes as well
That sounds really fun actually
@@brainless_mastermind yes! im glad to see this movie getting the attention it deserves
I think it be cool in Inside Out 3, instead of introducing new emotions they focus more on how other peoples emotions can affect yours and vice versa, maybe by adding a phone that allows emotions from different people’s heads to talk to each other, or literally having different peoples emotions visit each others headquarters. I think that would track very well with childhood development. When your a kid your emotions run everything, then you develop your own identity, then you become more aware of the identities of others.
Shes the "Jackson storm" to joy's "lighting Mcqueen"
Brainless mastermind upload lets gooooo
Anxiety isn't a villain. She's a anti-hero.
Yooo let’s go!
Not me in theaters being like “no… no she has a point”
So, which one is your favorite emotion overall? Bet you can't guess mine... Eheh
Shame.
Okay seriously, Disgust has actually been growing on me as a character
@@qwacktrap1459 me too actually
@@brainless_mastermindLemme guess, hmmmmm, you did a ton of Wish videos and you broke down all the songs, most of the words in the songs made you mad so your favorite emotion must be Anger.
Sadness in Inside Out
Anxiety in Inside Out 2
Though they play off of each other so well that it’s really hard to make it a ranking.
They’re siblings and you cannot convince me otherwise
Ennui. Just Ennui.
Hi! Loved your analysis. Just wanted to compliment on one thing… Personally, I thought the “you need to let go” part was an amazing message for the anxiety attack. Dealing with anxiety myself and treating it in therapy, I’ve realized most of anxiety comes from tightly holding on to racing uncontrolled pessimistic thoughts. Saying “you need to let go” is spot on, in how to treat and better resolve symptoms caused by an anxiety attack. By teaching the mind to let go, redirect thoughts and breathe deeply, dealing with anxiety gets easier little by little. Riley not only “lets go” of her racing thoughts but also focuses on her senses, touches the wooden seat, listens to the ice skating and people around her, feels the sun in her face…. They literally showed how to deal with an anxiety attack. It’s a very emotional and freeing thing to witness for someone who has suffered from them and showing it for young viewers is very empowering. Hope this contributes :)
5:12 “well intentioned” I’m sorry but Thanos and magneto will never qualify
All of the pre anxiety sense of self parts are non conditional “facts” to Riley, she truly believes them at her core, I am kind, I am a good friend etc. but all of anxiety’s sense of self components are conditional, if I make the team, if I am popular, anxiety causes doubt, she doubts these things and that climaxes in her realizing that she isn’t, she won’t do those things, because she has doubt, anxieties own doings cause her downfall,
Exactly, it's a really great message. I think it's really important to be in a mental place where your own sense of self worth doesn't depend on anyone or anything else. If there's a lesson I hope people take from the movie, it's that
I loved this movie and I ABSOLUTELY loved Anxiety, (thought I’d never hear those words). I have major social Anxiety so I knew I was going to resonate with the character.
The fear of being alone really hits me cause that’s what I think of and have every single day
Anxiety isn't a villain she's an antagonist
While Anxiety is the primary antagonist, she's not a villainess.
he did 1 week i was ready for this
Anxiety Is not a fucking Villain?! Anxiety is just being You Know Anxiety! When you have Anxiety you feel like you have to do everything perfect, fast and responsible, and when you have anxiety you're possibly affecting your health. So Anxiety is not a Villain! Shes just being what Anxiety Looks like.
16:11 sanders sides mention! that did catch me off guard 😆 but i won't lie and say i didn't also think about virgil after leaving the theater
I refuse to let this fandom die lol
I watched this after despicable Me 4 and God the quality difference was amazing I actually felt something from this movie while despicable Me 4. Just made me feel...... for lack of a better word Ennui
Somebody actually took me on a date once to see the minion movie. So that was the moment I realized it wouldn't work out loll
Your avatar coincidentally looks like the human embodiment of anxiety
She's not a villain, just an antagonist. There's a difference.
I went in ready to hate this movie
And while I still have critiques. (Fear should have been the villian in a similiar plot)
I really liked the movie. Excited to read your break down.
I have heard that critique, fear and anxiety are very similar but I think the execution is just too good, they pulled it off
Fear was the villain in the original draft of Inside Out, which got resurrected as the sequel!
1:42 how do you spell that? The fact that you had to specify what movie he is from…
good video! full disclosure, i thought the nose things on your glasses were eyes for most of the video...
this was great movie, cried me. play kerbal space program
I looove inside out and i looove inside out 2! I watched the first movie so many times so seeing the second one with so much polish and quality was crazy. It's a gorgeous movie!
My family is pretty emotional so when we whent to watch the 2nd movie, i cried at the part where Joy tells Anxiety she has to let go while Anxiety is crying because she knows she's hurting Riley and also overworking herself but is just so scared of her plan failing.
My mom cried when all the emotions hugged Riley's new sense of self to help her feel better.
And my dad even cried at the part where Joy says "maybe when you grow up, you feel less joy" 🥺
True pixar magic
I have a question, since joy and anxiety are so similar with their motives, actions, and arcs in the first and second movie, do you believe it’s fair to call joy the villain of the first movie? Me personally I feel like anxiety leans more into being a “villain” while joy is not.
I think the antagonist in Brother Bear is one of the closest we have to an anti-villain - it's just a brother who wants to avenge the death of his brother by mistakenly hunt his other brother in bear form. (The only detriment - he isn't in very much of the movie.)
You could also identify a lot of sympathetic villains in the original Lilo & Stitch (disregarding the rest of the franchise), but it would take time and splitting hairs to determine who is a full-fleshed anti-villain.
And - yeah, I fully admit, none of them is quite as complex as Anxiety. 😅
I guess you could say Lilo & Stitch has some fun anti-villains, but yeah that deserves an analysis all its own. I'm gonna be so honest I havent seen brother bear in probably 10 years lol
@@brainless_mastermind He he, neither have I. 😅
Okay but like…would you want to do an analysis of Virgil from Sanders Sides?
Also, her design is just perfect
Especially how her hair gets more frazzled when she's worried, it's great lol
I also thought that I.O.2 was superior
Haven't seen the movie yet kind of a spoiler with that title. . .
If Pixar does make an inside out three would it be a time skip to college or maybe when Riley get's married and starts a family of her own? if nothing else we need to see more of nostalgia.
She was 11 in the first and 13 in the second so I think she’s either gonna be 15 or 18 (2 year differences or diffrent stages of life)
GRAVITY FALLS MENTIONED
(its my current hyperfixation!! im also a fan of over the garden wall too!)
Both spectacular
@@brainless_mastermind yes!
Why did you draw yourself exactly like Anxiety?
I dont know about the likability of Anxiety, but I do feel like anxiety did perform acts to hurt the heros of the story, first by removing Riley’s sense of self and casting it into the oblivion, while the main character treated it as something really important for Riley, second is to bottled the original emotions and send them away to the fault.
I feel like unlike the first movie where the characters’ obstacles was created by chance events, having anxiety and the other new emotions specifically doing acts to disrupt and destroy left a very bad taste in my mouth, and I have never like anxiety and envy ever since.
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im a big fan :3
I have my partner, And my childhood best friend, Nobody else in my life and I’m very happy, Being alone really isn’t as bad as people think it is 🤣
Can we talk about envy in the comments? She is very cute💚
I have not seen this movie yet but good to know villains are back in Disney/Pixar animation movies. Granted i did got a feeling they where gonna be after Wish because Disney and Pixar always copy each other they did it with twist villains and than they did it with no villains.
You should see it, it's great! I'm also glad, I always need more villains in my life
Antagonist, not a villain.
Plothole: Riley is supposed to be a Millennial yet she gets all these extra Gen Z emotions
Lol I didn't know she was a millennial
( spoiler if you haven’t watched Luca )
I hate Ercole he’s so horrible especially cuz he’s an adult picking on and beating little children. It doesn’t matter if they are sea monster children.
Which I guess is a good thing because it means they made a good villain.
17:22 I’m pretty sure ye is a subject pronoun not not object pronoun. You is.
Yes. I am a black grammar nαzi
Anton ego isn’t a villain also incredibles 2 schlock I’ve never anyone say that
the character that I DESIGNED doesn’t look like miss frizzle. ITS STYLISTIC that’s why she doesn’t have a nose. IM DEEPLY OFFENDED EVERYONE IS SAYING SHE LOOKS LIKE MISS FRIZZLE. I am a SUCCESSFUL ARTIST and you all are HATERS 😃
You did NOT make that🔥🔥🔥🔥 also it looks like miss FRIZZLE💯💯❤️👴🏻👴🏻👽👽
Villain?
She’s not bad! She’s just drawn that way! 💅🏻🤷🏼♂️
do 1 year lol
Anxiety looks like a twist villain like for example Hans from Frozen
In my opinion ofc (i destroyed an useless war here)
I’m sorry but Ercole sucks as a villain
I know the whole point is that he’s a kid but still
He was so pathetic that I just can’t even
It's funny you should say that because I think the fact that he is so pathetic is what makes him so entertaining to me. He's not for everyone though haha
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