Hurrem is acting exactly like mahidevran. At this point there's no difference between them except hurrem succeeds in all her games. I don't know why y'all are defending her. She should've never poisoned gulnihal. It wasn't even gulnihal's fault, I mean how could've she said 'no' to the sultan's orders.
@@northsouth6739 yea but the second time, the sultan himself asked ibrahim to prepare gulnihal for the private chamber. So there was no way she could have refused. Plus, she was a concubine, it was her job to respect the sultan's order even if it meant to betray her friend.
That's why they saying don't trust so much your bestfriend or lover or else you being victim your own expectations from someone you trust,you will find yourself broken 💔
There wasn't friendships and best friends between women in this palace. There was only rules. Hürrem, Gülnihal and all the other girls were Suleyman's harem. But Hürrem didn't respect them. She wanted more and more and more day after day. That's why, became a killer, that's why tried to kill Gülnihal. After Mehmet's birth, she saw her not as her best friend, but as her slave!
I had two friends who slept with my boyfriend behind my back for YEARS. I thought they cared about my feelings. I would have died before betraying them. That's the difference between a good friend and someone who cares nothing for you and your feelings. That's why I have no girlfriends now and never will again.
i’m sorry but they make hurrem so unlikable 💀 she was being so cruel to gunihal even before she knew abt her sleeping with the sultan. it’s very weird behavior & being overly jealous over little stuff. like why would you choke your friend to near death when from your perspective she has been nothing but loyal to you. then forced her to eat her food to make sure it wasn’t poisoned showing no type of remorse for what she had done. it’s just aggravating i’m sorry..
Because Gulnihal changed her religion to Islam to be like hurrem, but hurrem changed into Islam to avenge her family. Another thing Gulnihal cheated Hurrem by not telling her in the night itself is the thing they are sending her to suleyman. So hurrem will definitely offend it. Instead of it she thought to be like hurrem, joined them, not once but twice. So, here Hurrem didn't cheat on anyone but Gulnihal did. And poor hurrem raised gulnihal from a normal concubine to her concierge, given her all her facilities shared with, trusted her the most and it is very painful that our own best friend cheated us....... Poor hurrem . 🤷🏽🤷🏽🤷🏽
@@mercyanto2391i Think that gulnihal had no choice though. When they call for a girl for a night with the sultan she has no right to say no. If she would, they probably would kill her for disobeying orders
@@vicvac6325 how comes gulnihal will not be send for suleyman, if hurrem knows that? Not possible because first of all suleyman himself doesn't know about gulnihal is the one who stands with hurrem for her labour care. If hurrem informs the same with suleyman, Ibrahim who orders for that will have to face the majesty. Another thing gulnihal can inform suleyman that hurrem is alone there. Not once but twice she didn't inform hurrem. If she was really loyal to Hurrem, she wouldn't hesitate to inform her. Because there were servants, very much loyal to hurrem, who lost their life just because they didn't cheat her and stood by her side...🤷🏽🤷🏽🤷🏽🤷🏽
Yes I'm team Gulnihal as well. Hurrem is just terrible. She doesn't have, at this point, any redeeming qualities beyond her clever wit, beauty, and survival instinct. She chooses to be merciless and vicious to those she doesn't need favors of and sees as beneath her. She refuses to have empathy for others who go through similar trials as herself. I've not seen her express the same the kindness and loyalty Gulnihal shows her to any other women in the harem. She cares about herself, Suleiman, and her child in that order, above all else.
In this series no one is truly good they all have a dark side so I blame neither of them for their actions. Only the strong survive and hurrem was strong
When mahidevram beats hueen nobody slaps her. But this time valise sultan not only raised her hand on her but also went straight to suleiman to complain
Yeah because Mahidevran had built herself a circle of tight allies and earned their loyalty and respect. Hürrem went around acting deranged, disrespecting every person who could’ve helped her, almost killing her only friend and then implicating the one ally that had been rooting for her from the start (Nigar) into a petty intrigue that could’ve gotten her killed.
Nobody without any reason not liking Hurrem, made her enemy towards everyone. Mahidevran is shown as a haseki. Hurrem also became a haseki. But valide is still discriminating. They all literally deserved their ends.
In reality (according to history) Hurrem was the haseki and powerful one all along. People like stories of struggle leading to success, hence such fiction is created.
@@northsouth6739 yes, also they love drama and gruesome, the writers morbidly created ficcional fights, murders and hatred, which I particularly dislike.
@@northsouth6739 😂😂😂😂😂 I thought the same. Because in no way would the favourite of a Sultan,let alone the legal wife - in which case Hurrem fills both - stand to be treated the way they're showing in the drama. I couldn't contain my anger when they continued the same drama even after Hurrem is married legally to Suleiman. I thought that would end after Hurrem becomes the solemnised wife but oh dang! Our writers were like " No, Hurrem must suffer". There's literally no difference in Hurrem's situation pre and post marriage to Suleiman. 😂😂😂😂 Nontheless, I really enjoyed the show because even if they ignored many historical facts, it was through this spicy drama I got curious about Turkish history and culture. Also, they can be forgiven for all the reckless liberty taken in showing historical figures, because in the end, it's just a " fiction based on history".
Actually Hurrem wasnt angry, when she saw one of the harem bed is empty. She know the fact, she cant own Sultan alone, thats when she relieved the girl wasnt her friend. If Gulnihal told her the next day after giving birth, she probably wont be so crazy. Imagined u about to gave birth and ur friend was sleeping with ur man. Then while u are recovering and misses him, ur friend go again, it is very shocked. Some ppl be like "omg, she poisoned her friend", but when Mahidevran did it, they be like "well Hurrem steal her man first". Actually it is the same thing for Hurrem and Gulnihal, harem is in circulation. Becuase there is only one man but plenty of woman, just same as war.
come on.....Hurrem's friend had no chose...… and she was told not say anything against her will and plus Hurrem would have turned against her right then,
well yeah - he was attached to her in a way considered inappropriate. these concubines weren't supposed to have sway over him and they certainly weren't meant to be his only favorite (hence the harem system, so none of them would be too influential) so quite literally yes, they're upset that she's claimed she will make him in love with only her and isolate him from the rest of the harem because that's not the way things are supposed to be.
Poor Maria. I feel sorry for her. I actually don’t think her converting was in her mind trying to take over. I think she saw it as trying to make her friend happy and being with her. That’s why she was surprised when Hurrrem was angry. Hurrem is so mean in this episode.
I thought so too, but now that i'm watching the show a second time and paying more attention to the details... Nah, she was super jealous and wanted the same advantages than Hurrem. She goes to Sumbul sneakily after ogling the gifts that Hurrem received
I do too. But she had no choice. Ibrahim did it specifically to torment Hurrem. Sad that they all hated Hurrem so much they did that. Valide could have said no.
I felt this way too, but as I’m going back and like watching the episodes from the beginning, she was always envious of Hurrem. Even earlier in the episode, she was listing off things that she wanted that Hurrem had. Gold, jewelry, fine clothes and a son. Even early on, you can see her attraction to the power she can get if she sleeps with the sultan. But I won’t say that she isn’t a product of her environment, because she is.
Everybody knows that Mahidevron poisoned Hurrem and got away with it because she's the mother of a prince, so why can't Hurrem poisen Gulnihal and get away with it similarly? She's now the mother of a prince.
Maria reminds me of me. Such a caring soul and just cared so much for herrem and herrem just treated her as a doormat. I didn't agree with betraying her with suleyman, she could have told herrem what they wanted her to do. She fell for the you can be a sultan also. But herrem went to far with poisoning her. Other than this example I liked herrem out of all of them. The original herrem not the older one.
No way! Its a harem.. Which means every woman belongs to Sultan Suleyman.. No such thing like telling Hurrem that she was chosen.. I understand they are friends but doesn't mean she should beat and poison Gulnihal.. Gulnihal was always happy for Hurrem... And above all, there are rules that should be followed. I love Hurrem but she wasn't fair with Gulnihal.
What annoys me about valide is that she was never impartial. Mahidevaran did why worse she stole , lied, assaulted and put Poison on the sultans table almost killing her som hurrem and her grandson she insults hurrem nothing hurrem says or does something back she's a she devil they did chose her best friend on purpose not the girls fault she is a slave to there but hurrem never got a fair shake idk why
Now that I'm watching this series again here on RUclips, I gotta say I still feel the same way about the characters. But I'm surprised to see everyone's reaction here. I sympathized with Mahi at first, but she went too far. She brought her own doom. But Hurrem isn't really the Good person either. In this episode she did the same as Mahi, poisoned the girl who slept with Suleyman. Yes, the girl was her friend. But Gulnihal can't refuse an order from higher ups and then she did get bit greedy. Also Hurrem didn't actually do it because her friend betrayed her or something. She mostly cared about her position as Suleyman's only women and her children. Which was why she poisoned the girl who's getting in the way. I don't hate her. She is incredible in her own way. She defeated everyone who was against her and secured what she wanted. So yeah, I may not be emotional attached or admire any character here but I do think they are great. Makes the story interesting which is why I enjoy watching it.
Αν είναι έτσι ότι είδε τους γονείς της μάξι τον αδελφό της να τους σφάζουν δικαιολογείται αυτός ο θυμός όταν νιώθει ότι αδικείται είναι πανέμορφη γιαυτό την αγάπησε και έζησαν μέχρι το τέλος μαζι
At this point, ibrahim (as much as he annoys me sometimes) and hatice is the only real love I see. Hurrem and Mahidrevan are one and the same: crazy and possessive. And ofc, sultan loves no one but himself. You cant have love without respect and he was taught to not respect them cause everyone has to bow to his whims.
If we watch this entire series.. you can see Love, Anger, Revenge, Betrayal, Power, Innocence, Loyalty, Honesty and all.. but the main thing is Queens were ruling and Not kings.. Kings might conquer places but it's Queen who is ruling the Kingdom.. Raise and Fall of Kingdom is by Queens.. Clever n Strong Queen wre Hurrem and her daughter in law
Respectfully speaking as a “cis” woman, trauma is what creates foundations rather than wisdom passed down. This “miseducation” of divine feminine power is gravely understood
except that they were not ruing, they were not free --they were compensating, a very different tune. If they had been the rulers, the stories would have been verrrry different...
@@rls3745 She disfigured her best friend, poisoned someone else, tried to kill someone with a snake, the list goes on. Don't get me wrong. They were all moral degenerates, but I don't think we should be praising her behavior.
She wanted the sultan too. She was jealoused whe hurrem received a purple handkerchief. She became Muslim so she can get sultan. she went to sultan and when she was preparing she was smiling and was happy. Maria was her best friend but also she was with hurrem in her chamber as a maid and maids are married of they serves they don't sleep with sultan. Like valida,s maids and mahidevrans maids : e.g gulsha never slept with sultan.
Hurrem has been through a lot in the 38 years that she has been with the sultan but everyone is against her valide ibrahim mahi they all try to get rid of her as a mother she protected her children the best way she could but mahi wouldn’t let go she told lies about hurrem that were not true and the sultan should of done something to protect hurrem but he did nothing he was the one that banish and punish her all the time that palace is full of evil
The problem was always the Ottomans kidnapping non-Muslim girls and expecting them to understand that the men could have more than one woman. Women of other cultures were not accustomed to this, so of course it caused problems.
But hurrem never considered her a friend what kind of friend makes you tastes for poison before eating the food or chokes you and threatens to exile you or sell you off to slave traders
She’s a monster. What a horrible woman. I can’t find any connection to her despite her suffering. She’s selfish and hateful even to those who treat her well.
Because of Mahidevran she was putting ideas of being the crown prince and a future sultan and that's no good the Ottoman dynasty laws of succession to the throne were messy All princes had the right to become a sultan even if you are the middle son or the youngest one it was a mess and that is why princes were not encouraged to call themselves future sultans
The only reason why all in this palace doesn’t like hurrem because she gained the love of sultan suleiman and everyone in the palace were jealous of it•
She made enemies because of her attitude. No one liked her even before she gained the love of anyone. She was rude, prideful, boastful, and vindictive.
I feel Hurrem's is schritzophenic the way she reacts talks to her dead parents kills her best friend i understand what this character has gone through but the director is transitioning her character to be more complicated and negative.
I am only on episode 8. Hurrem acting more and more like Mahidevran. That harem was such an awful place. She is afraid someone is going to kill her baby so she's acting crazy. Hurrem just poisoned Gulnihul with the mercury on the fur. That was evil. Isnt it better that Sulieman slept with Gulnihul rather than someone who hates Hurrem and whispers lies in Sultan's ear. Hurrem can't sleep with him for the 40 days after the baby is born anyway. I understand Hurrem is jealous but that's the way it was back then. Sulieman owned them all. They were all concubines, just property sadly. Except for Valide his mother, she had a little more power. Even his sister Hatice didn't have any control over her life. She would have to marry whomever is chosen for her. Why doesn't Ibrahim ask to marry Hatice? The worst that could happen is Sultan would say no you're not high born enough for my sister.
Valida got worst karma for doing this with hurrum, a mother. She was tested with pain of all her children but she never learned because of her arrogance, what a pitty
Hurrem made a mistake but mahidevran made the same mistake and what if sultan had took the poison and she beat hurrem but still everyone took mahidevran's side soo of course if they never stood by her or protected her why should she show any mercy she also has to survive in the palace and survival means gaining power...... Although yes she did wrong to gulnihal as she was her friend and had no fault but mistakes do happen this was hurrem's mistake.....
Maria was only used for Ibrahim all have the faulth in this chapter all them do something bad, Maria betray her best fried, Hürrem poison to Maria, Ibrahim send to Maria just for hurt to Hürrem, Suleyman was with Maria and Valide like always was unfair
I am laughing when Mahi says she is haseki ,in real life the title she had was just bas kadin ,The first to bore the title Haseki Sultan was Hurrem. Mahi was not even a sultana !
Hurrem actions and attitude are annoying and ver bad I don't know why people are defending her bad attitudes, she respect no one but she wants to be treated with respect
I stopped feeling sympathy for Alexandra in this episode. The fact that she could do that to someone who has been nothing but kind and decent to her since the day they met, means that she had bad in her even before she was abducted from her homeland. Gulnihul had no choice but to lie with the Sultan. Was she supposed to say, "no thanks, I'll just take a beheading instead,"? Why Gulnihul stayed anywhere near Alexandra after that, I'll never understand.
Valedi so unfair to hurrem..wen madihevran poinson and beat to hurrim she can't punish mahidevran.. if hurrem can do wrong..she punish hurren valedi not fair...from the start..
If people don’t like Hürrem’s attitude, you have to remember that she saw her whole family killed in front of her, was taken as a slave to a harem, where almost every woman there in authority was cruel and physical and unfair to her. That’s where she learnt it from. Everything she is doing she learnt from the women at the palace. They instructed her not just in what she should do but also in what she should not do. She was young and traumatised and she had no way to cope with what was happening to her except by copying the behaviours she saw. She learnt that weak people suffer and that strong people win. So all she know to do was to be strong. They caused this. If she’d been treated with some kindness and respect, she would have calmed down and made friends. As it was she saw no other way to survive than to fight them, to strive to win… Imho
This is all Valides fault from the beginning. Not giving Mahi a consequence for her actions and yet she punishes Hurrem. Mahi did far worse. She didn't welcome her, because she was very young. Mahi and Ibrahim didn't like her either. Now Hurrem turned into Mahi. Gulnihal knew Hurrem would kill her. She was just obeying orders. Hurrem is going to hurt her more. Hurrem gaslights her with no remorse. Gulnihal doesn't deserve to be friends with Hurrem. Gulnihal is the type of friend I would like to have.
Sorry but, some things Hürrem done, has no excuse! She tried to kill her best friend, because she thought she betrayed her! Later, she tried to destroy every woman who go to Suleyman's bed, just because she wanted him only for her eyes! And people blame only Mahidevran who beat and poisoned her and give right to Hürrem, because everything she did, did it for survival! Killing innocent people has no excuse!
Many people criticize hurrem in the matter of gulnihal. But I stood for Hurrem Because Gulnihal changed her religion to Islam to be like hurrem, but hurrem changed into Islam to avenge her family. Another thing Gulnihal cheated Hurrem by not telling her in the night itself,that they are sending her to suleyman. So hurrem will definitely offend it. Instead of it she thought to be like hurrem, joined them, not once but twice. So, here Hurrem didn't cheat on anyone but Gulnihal did. And poor hurrem raised gulnihal from a normal concubine to her concierge, given her all her facilities shared with, trusted her the most and it is very painful that our own best friend cheated us....... Poor hurrem .
Naahhh. Idk why they liked hurrem. I never did .she never respect everyone, the rules, the law, so arrogant. She knew the principles of a harem. But whatever - I'm still going to root for her because she's courageous 🤣and she's the lead
I love Hürrem down but she definitely has her moments where its like “GIRL CALM DOWN FOR ONCE!”. But honestly her reaction is valid when it comes to Gülnihal, they’re friends and honestly in Hürrem’s book that’s “girl code”, but then again it’s a harem so the Sultan could never be off limits. But Sumbul Agha and Nigar Kalfa were the ones to blamed out of all of this, and of course Ibrahim.
hahahahaha they cant resist hurrem! she doesnt mind if she looks likes a crazy woman or shes out of her senses! she is showing who really alexandra or hurrem is😊😍not the other harem full of propaganda...mahidevran has no guts of showing her evilness .unlike hurrem always ready for fighting
I find that Hürrem was kind of unfair to Maria because she really didn't have a say in whether sleeping with Suleyman or not and the slap Valide gave her was kind of satisfying😅
Hurrem started out as a good but childish teenager. She did become cruel as the show went on but it was out of necessity for her and children's survival.
Was the real hurrem this crazy? She is really crass . Maybe she will get better as a human . Kosem sultan was class from the beginning and sincerely kind
@@shoshokikocockerspaniel67l8 U want nothing to do with Kosem s story I hate her she killed one of her sons for power but Hurrem loved her children dearly really loved those children Kosem no way
The ep hurrem lost my sympathy Yes evrey girl in the harem had the same right to become ambitious It's not only hurrems right Maria's words were so true Hurrem started it all with evreyone
Mahideveran didn't lost your sympathy when she tried to kill unborn child or when she ruined hurrem's face and not to mention she stole sultan from gulfem too
I think what mahidebran was doing with Hurram is totally justified Because of his arrogance and his action against her own friend, he think that he Own sultan
I'll be honest, I don't like the Viziers and Paşas that much, especially since Ahmet Paşa was very prejudiced with converts and people of other religions, ethnicities, etc. But even here, in the very beginning, Ahmet Paşa could tell how greedy Ibrahim was prone to being. And honestly, rewatching it I can see Ibrahim's greed and ego from the very start. No wonder his ending was what it was, he led himself there despite the Sultan's constant warnings. No one in this show is innocent or pure good, it's why I like the characters so much, they're very complex. But some of them really seem to lack that survival instinct 😭😭 Like, Hürrem was crazy, but she knew her place with Suleyman and knew what to say and do and when, most of the time at least, enough to keep herself in his favor. Ibrahim grew arrogant, thinking because Suleyman cared about him and used his talents that he was controlling the Sultan. He took Suleyman's offer for partnership and friendship and saw it as an opportunity to play puppeteer. Sad but realistic.
Ibrahim or sumbul could have openly summoned gulnihal hatun, infront of hurrem... Sultan himself asked ibrahim to prepare gulnihal for him in his chamber... Atleast hurrem would have known that suleiman is not just hers
The guilty one remains the Sultan . He chose to take Hurrem’s servant, Maria while Hurrem is in labor with his child , just for his entertainment while Hurem is in pain if labor. what kind of “real man” is so selfish to do something like that ??
Hurrem is acting exactly like mahidevran. At this point there's no difference between them except hurrem succeeds in all her games. I don't know why y'all are defending her. She should've never poisoned gulnihal. It wasn't even gulnihal's fault, I mean how could've she said 'no' to the sultan's orders.
It’s not the sultan order, it’s Ibrahim who sent Hurrem’s friend
@@northsouth6739 yea but the second time, the sultan himself asked ibrahim to prepare gulnihal for the private chamber. So there was no way she could have refused. Plus, she was a concubine, it was her job to respect the sultan's order even if it meant to betray her friend.
She purposely went changed religion knowing hurrem lived him so she knew better. Knew what she was doing slick self
Fortunately, all harem events are fiction in this series. Read the book Empress of the East by Leslie Peirce, historian.
It wasn't the sultan order it was the subject who insrtuct it
That's why they saying don't trust so much your bestfriend or lover or else you being victim your own expectations from someone you trust,you will find yourself broken 💔
There wasn't friendships and best friends between women in this palace. There was only rules. Hürrem, Gülnihal and all the other girls were Suleyman's harem. But Hürrem didn't respect them. She wanted more and more and more day after day. That's why, became a killer, that's why tried to kill Gülnihal. After Mehmet's birth, she saw her not as her best friend, but as her slave!
I had two friends who slept with my boyfriend behind my back for YEARS. I thought they cared about my feelings. I would have died before betraying them. That's the difference between a good friend and someone who cares nothing for you and your feelings. That's why I have no girlfriends now and never will again.
i’m sorry but they make hurrem so unlikable 💀 she was being so cruel to gunihal even before she knew abt her sleeping with the sultan. it’s very weird behavior & being overly jealous over little stuff. like why would you choke your friend to near death when from your perspective she has been nothing but loyal to you. then forced her to eat her food to make sure it wasn’t poisoned showing no type of remorse for what she had done. it’s just aggravating i’m sorry..
I keep saying she has a disgusting personality but people continue defending her.
They are blind to her treachery.
Because Gulnihal changed her religion to Islam to be like hurrem, but hurrem changed into Islam to avenge her family.
Another thing Gulnihal cheated Hurrem by not telling her in the night itself is the thing they are sending her to suleyman. So hurrem will definitely offend it. Instead of it she thought to be like hurrem, joined them, not once but twice. So, here Hurrem didn't cheat on anyone but Gulnihal did. And poor hurrem raised gulnihal from a normal concubine to her concierge, given her all her facilities shared with, trusted her the most and it is very painful that our own best friend cheated us....... Poor hurrem . 🤷🏽🤷🏽🤷🏽
@@mercyanto2391i Think that gulnihal had no choice though. When they call for a girl for a night with the sultan she has no right to say no. If she would, they probably would kill her for disobeying orders
@@vicvac6325 how comes gulnihal will not be send for suleyman, if hurrem knows that? Not possible because first of all suleyman himself doesn't know about gulnihal is the one who stands with hurrem for her labour care. If hurrem informs the same with suleyman, Ibrahim who orders for that will have to face the majesty. Another thing gulnihal can inform suleyman that hurrem is alone there. Not once but twice she didn't inform hurrem. If she was really loyal to Hurrem, she wouldn't hesitate to inform her. Because there were servants, very much loyal to hurrem, who lost their life just because they didn't cheat her and stood by her side...🤷🏽🤷🏽🤷🏽🤷🏽
Yes I'm team Gulnihal as well. Hurrem is just terrible. She doesn't have, at this point, any redeeming qualities beyond her clever wit, beauty, and survival instinct. She chooses to be merciless and vicious to those she doesn't need favors of and sees as beneath her. She refuses to have empathy for others who go through similar trials as herself. I've not seen her express the same the kindness and loyalty Gulnihal shows her to any other women in the harem. She cares about herself, Suleiman, and her child in that order, above all else.
In this series no one is truly good they all have a dark side so I blame neither of them for their actions. Only the strong survive and hurrem was strong
What about hatice? She seems like a very good girl..I like her character (so far until this episode)
She is also crazy, constantly remind hurrem that she is just a slave not important,has superiority complex things like that@@syafiqahshaari4401
@@syafiqahshaari4401lol keep watching. She too was a maniac. No one in this series is sweet and innocent.
I love how they thought Hürrem would stay a lowly slave but she rose above all of them when she married the Sultan
When mahidevram beats hueen nobody slaps her. But this time valise sultan not only raised her hand on her but also went straight to suleiman to complain
Yeah because Mahidevran had built herself a circle of tight allies and earned their loyalty and respect. Hürrem went around acting deranged, disrespecting every person who could’ve helped her, almost killing her only friend and then implicating the one ally that had been rooting for her from the start (Nigar) into a petty intrigue that could’ve gotten her killed.
Where was this energy from the Valide sultan when Mahidevran stole from Hürrem, nearly beat her to death and tried to poison her and her son? 🤡
right? thats what i am saying
Nobody without any reason not liking Hurrem, made her enemy towards everyone. Mahidevran is shown as a haseki. Hurrem also became a haseki. But valide is still discriminating. They all literally deserved their ends.
Later Hurrem was his wife, but still they ranked her low
As I said before the writers didn’t like Hurrem much
In reality (according to history) Hurrem was the haseki and powerful one all along. People like stories of struggle leading to success, hence such fiction is created.
@@northsouth6739 yes, also they love drama and gruesome, the writers morbidly created ficcional fights, murders and hatred, which I particularly dislike.
@@northsouth6739 😂😂😂😂😂 I thought the same.
Because in no way would the favourite of a Sultan,let alone the legal wife - in which case Hurrem fills both - stand to be treated the way they're showing in the drama. I couldn't contain my anger when they continued the same drama even after Hurrem is married legally to Suleiman. I thought that would end after Hurrem becomes the solemnised wife but oh dang! Our writers were like " No, Hurrem must suffer". There's literally no difference in Hurrem's situation pre and post marriage to Suleiman. 😂😂😂😂
Nontheless, I really enjoyed the show because even if they ignored many historical facts, it was through this spicy drama I got curious about Turkish history and culture.
Also, they can be forgiven for all the reckless liberty taken in showing historical figures, because in the end, it's just a " fiction based on history".
Hatice is more mom of Mustafa than Mahidebram xD
Actually Hurrem wasnt angry, when she saw one of the harem bed is empty. She know the fact, she cant own Sultan alone, thats when she relieved the girl wasnt her friend. If Gulnihal told her the next day after giving birth, she probably wont be so crazy. Imagined u about to gave birth and ur friend was sleeping with ur man. Then while u are recovering and misses him, ur friend go again, it is very shocked.
Some ppl be like "omg, she poisoned her friend", but when Mahidevran did it, they be like "well Hurrem steal her man first". Actually it is the same thing for Hurrem and Gulnihal, harem is in circulation. Becuase there is only one man but plenty of woman, just same as war.
come on.....Hurrem's friend had no chose...… and she was told not say anything against her will and plus Hurrem would have turned against her right then,
Hurrem knows that the harem women do not have a choice. This story just shows that men do not care who they sleep with.
Exactly !!
@@oshun5559she could tell her but she chose to stay quiet. She dreamed about it from the moment she became Muslim
I miss when Hurrem and Hatice were friends
Same! They had such a nice friendship
The only reason they all dislike hurrem because she was loved by sultan suleiman •and they were all jealous of it!
She's also demonic
I don't think so.. She is selfish..that's why everyone hate her
True
LOVE N JEALOUS
well yeah - he was attached to her in a way considered inappropriate. these concubines weren't supposed to have sway over him and they certainly weren't meant to be his only favorite (hence the harem system, so none of them would be too influential)
so quite literally yes, they're upset that she's claimed she will make him in love with only her and isolate him from the rest of the harem because that's not the way things are supposed to be.
She was rude to everyone. I felt she unnecessarily developed hate relationship with Ibrahim
Valida gives a lot of attention to Mustafa but she never showed Hürrem’s kids as much attention 🤦🏻♀️
Same goes to ibrahim
Poor Maria. I feel sorry for her. I actually don’t think her converting was in her mind trying to take over. I think she saw it as trying to make her friend happy and being with her. That’s why she was surprised when Hurrrem was angry. Hurrem is so mean in this episode.
I thought so too, but now that i'm watching the show a second time and paying more attention to the details... Nah, she was super jealous and wanted the same advantages than Hurrem. She goes to Sumbul sneakily after ogling the gifts that Hurrem received
I do too. But she had no choice. Ibrahim did it specifically to torment Hurrem. Sad that they all hated Hurrem so much they did that. Valide could have said no.
Well I can't use the right word here for Hurrem. 😅😅😅😅😅😅 I will be banned
I felt this way too, but as I’m going back and like watching the episodes from the beginning, she was always envious of Hurrem. Even earlier in the episode, she was listing off things that she wanted that Hurrem had. Gold, jewelry, fine clothes and a son. Even early on, you can see her attraction to the power she can get if she sleeps with the sultan. But I won’t say that she isn’t a product of her environment, because she is.
Everybody knows that Mahidevron poisoned Hurrem and got away with it because she's the mother of a prince, so why can't Hurrem poisen Gulnihal and get away with it similarly? She's now the mother of a prince.
cause you people are hypocrites and excuse hurrem for everything she did she is just as evil as mahidevran hurrem is disgusting
Exactly. Sometimes people are not aware they have double standards 😂
Valide sultan just liked Mahdevran more thats it if you want to be powerful make loyal friends not enemies
Because it's unfair 😂
Plot armour 😁
Maria reminds me of me. Such a caring soul and just cared so much for herrem and herrem just treated her as a doormat. I didn't agree with betraying her with suleyman, she could have told herrem what they wanted her to do. She fell for the you can be a sultan also. But herrem went to far with poisoning her. Other than this example I liked herrem out of all of them. The original herrem not the older one.
No way! Its a harem.. Which means every woman belongs to Sultan Suleyman.. No such thing like telling Hurrem that she was chosen.. I understand they are friends but doesn't mean she should beat and poison Gulnihal.. Gulnihal was always happy for Hurrem... And above all, there are rules that should be followed. I love Hurrem but she wasn't fair with Gulnihal.
What annoys me about valide is that she was never impartial. Mahidevaran did why worse she stole , lied, assaulted and put Poison on the sultans table almost killing her som hurrem and her grandson she insults hurrem nothing hurrem says or does something back she's a she devil they did chose her best friend on purpose not the girls fault she is a slave to there but hurrem never got a fair shake idk why
THANK you !!!! EXACTLY !!!
Ibrahim is evil!! But Ibrahim wanted to make a statement saying that Hurrem wasn't Suleyman's only concubine and that she had to share him
Now that I'm watching this series again here on RUclips, I gotta say I still feel the same way about the characters. But I'm surprised to see everyone's reaction here.
I sympathized with Mahi at first, but she went too far. She brought her own doom. But Hurrem isn't really the Good person either. In this episode she did the same as Mahi, poisoned the girl who slept with Suleyman. Yes, the girl was her friend. But Gulnihal can't refuse an order from higher ups and then she did get bit greedy. Also Hurrem didn't actually do it because her friend betrayed her or something. She mostly cared about her position as Suleyman's only women and her children. Which was why she poisoned the girl who's getting in the way. I don't hate her. She is incredible in her own way. She defeated everyone who was against her and secured what she wanted.
So yeah, I may not be emotional attached or admire any character here but I do think they are great. Makes the story interesting which is why I enjoy watching it.
Πολλή ερωτευμένη μαζί του
Αν είναι έτσι ότι είδε τους γονείς της μάξι τον αδελφό της να τους σφάζουν δικαιολογείται αυτός ο θυμός όταν νιώθει ότι αδικείται είναι πανέμορφη γιαυτό την αγάπησε και έζησαν μέχρι το τέλος μαζι
It is a amazing love story the sultan even hears hurrem voice when she mentions his name it is wonderful
At this point, ibrahim (as much as he annoys me sometimes) and hatice is the only real love I see. Hurrem and Mahidrevan are one and the same: crazy and possessive. And ofc, sultan loves no one but himself. You cant have love without respect and he was taught to not respect them cause everyone has to bow to his whims.
Wait some episodes. This man becomes way worse than Suleyman
Bwahahahahha! The only true love was Hurrem and Suleiman! What show are you watching!
Hatice was the only one in real love
@@shoshokikocockerspaniel67l8what kind of love is that when he sleeps with other women? If you love someone you're loyal to them.
If we watch this entire series.. you can see Love, Anger, Revenge, Betrayal, Power, Innocence, Loyalty, Honesty and all.. but the main thing is Queens were ruling and Not kings.. Kings might conquer places but it's Queen who is ruling the Kingdom.. Raise and Fall of Kingdom is by Queens.. Clever n Strong Queen wre Hurrem and her daughter in law
Women power
Respectfully speaking as a “cis” woman, trauma is what creates foundations rather than wisdom passed down. This “miseducation” of divine feminine power is gravely understood
except that they were not ruing, they were not free --they were compensating, a very different tune. If they had been the rulers, the stories would have been verrrry different...
Hurem knew how to fight for her love and for her power and nobody could stop her
She was a witch.
@@AS-yz2iz why u saying that
@@rls3745 She disfigured her best friend, poisoned someone else, tried to kill someone with a snake, the list goes on. Don't get me wrong. They were all moral degenerates, but I don't think we should be praising her behavior.
@@AS-yz2iz we have to because when u wanna be rich and powerful u have to do everything u can to be on top nothing have to stop u u have to fight hard
@@rls3745 So, it's okay to murder, lie, cheat, and steal as long as you end up rich and powerful? What kind of distorted morality is that?
All Maria had to do was wake hurrem up when they called her, and refuse to go
It wasn't that easy because a concubine who refuses the sultan without a good reason ends up executed
@@Nox.the.nightingale No it’s easy. Should’ve said she was on her period or sick. She wanted it too, she was smiling while preparing.
we talking about a time when women did not have a say or had control. @@aurelie8761
She wanted the sultan too. She was jealoused whe hurrem received a purple handkerchief. She became Muslim so she can get sultan. she went to sultan and when she was preparing she was smiling and was happy. Maria was her best friend but also she was with hurrem in her chamber as a maid and maids are married of they serves they don't sleep with sultan. Like valida,s maids and mahidevrans maids : e.g gulsha never slept with sultan.
Hurrem has been through a lot in the 38 years that she has been with the sultan but everyone is against her valide ibrahim mahi they all try to get rid of her as a mother she protected her children the best way she could but mahi wouldn’t let go she told lies about hurrem that were not true and the sultan should of done something to protect hurrem but he did nothing he was the one that banish and punish her all the time that palace is full of evil
The poetry suleyman tells us breathtaking
In this episode, hurrem and mahidevran same feelings now, they can't own their man. And man nature never change.
Merde I was so embarrassed when hurrem poisoned Gunihal... Didn't know she could go this far what a shame
Just shows, that a bit of power turns everyone into an evil one!
The Revenge from Hurrem was quitely perfect...they deseved it ..Ibrahim,Mahidevran,Valide all of them
What about the sister? Does she escape hurrems wrath?
Yes. They should be locked in the dungeon. Together.
Loved, the part where Hurrem and Hatice were close freinds
The problem was always the Ottomans kidnapping non-Muslim girls and expecting them to understand that the men could have more than one woman. Women of other cultures were not accustomed to this, so of course it caused problems.
Finally a sensible comment
This is exactly it!!!
1:26:50 hurrem using 🥺 on valide and it working will forever be funny to me
Hurrem’s friend didn’t deserve that idc
Hurrem is right you don't betray your best friend kuddus to her
But hurrem never considered her a friend what kind of friend makes you tastes for poison before eating the food or chokes you and threatens to exile you or sell you off to slave traders
She’s a monster. What a horrible woman. I can’t find any connection to her despite her suffering. She’s selfish and hateful even to those who treat her well.
Gulnihal cannot refuse king's order Gulnihal had no fault but hurrem treated her very bad, i hate hurrem
If Kürrem does not know the value of a true friend, then she is ignorant indeed, and foolish to boot...especially in that place and time..
this is the first act of cruelty by Hurrem...she has to pay high price for this .... that's why she suffered much sometimes
Bwahahahahaha! Botttt! Hurrem always wins! Cryyy
Why does Mustafa always says the most improper things :)))
because disgraceful Mahidevran is his mother
Because of Mahidevran she was putting ideas of being the crown prince and a future sultan and that's no good the Ottoman dynasty laws of succession to the throne were messy All princes had the right to become a sultan even if you are the middle son or the youngest one it was a mess and that is why princes were not encouraged to call themselves future sultans
The only reason why all in this palace doesn’t like hurrem because she gained the love of sultan suleiman and everyone in the palace were jealous of it•
True, even Hatice said it to the sultan when she was dying…… it boils down to being jealous.
She made enemies because of her attitude. No one liked her even before she gained the love of anyone. She was rude, prideful, boastful, and vindictive.
@@AS-yz2iz Cryyyy bottttt! Hurrem is best!
@@shoshokikocockerspaniel67l8 Please seek psychiatric help immediately. Lol.
Tam tylko Hurtem miała pod górkę
I've seen this more than once but I swear I don't remember Hurrem being this loud, obnoxious and CRAZY! Absolute lunatic! 😫😫🤐🤐😜😜😯😯😥😥🌃
I hate how the writers made mahidevran the haseki when in reality that tern wasnt ever used until Sulaiman made it for Hurrem.
43:39 When Hurrem chose the mirror for Suleiman! ❤️❤️
love the chemistry of hatice and Ibrahim ♥️🥺
I feel Hurrem's is schritzophenic the way she reacts talks to her dead parents kills her best friend i understand what this character has gone through but the director is transitioning her character to be more complicated and negative.
I like the kinda personality that Ibrahim takes throughout this series, he is calm, sharp-eyed person
I am only on episode 8. Hurrem acting more and more like Mahidevran. That harem was such an awful place. She is afraid someone is going to kill her baby so she's acting crazy. Hurrem just poisoned Gulnihul with the mercury on the fur. That was evil. Isnt it better that Sulieman slept with Gulnihul rather than someone who hates Hurrem and whispers lies in Sultan's ear. Hurrem can't sleep with him for the 40 days after the baby is born anyway. I understand Hurrem is jealous but that's the way it was back then. Sulieman owned them all. They were all concubines, just property sadly. Except for Valide his mother, she had a little more power. Even his sister Hatice didn't have any control over her life. She would have to marry whomever is chosen for her. Why doesn't Ibrahim ask to marry Hatice? The worst that could happen is Sultan would say no you're not high born enough for my sister.
Hurrem is an outsider to Mahidevran otherwise Gulnihal was her best friend and slept with the man she LOVES. This is a betrayal
@@Aimeraudee stop defending hurrem hypocrisy she stole mahidevrans man and now it happens to her she’s a big hypocrite
They didn't say such words when Mahidevran poisoned Hurrem. They didn't even take action on her but why do they treat Hurrem so bad
Valida got worst karma for doing this with hurrum, a mother. She was tested with pain of all her children but she never learned because of her arrogance, what a pitty
Hurrem made a mistake but mahidevran made the same mistake and what if sultan had took the poison and she beat hurrem but still everyone took mahidevran's side soo of course if they never stood by her or protected her why should she show any mercy she also has to survive in the palace and survival means gaining power......
Although yes she did wrong to gulnihal as she was her friend and had no fault but mistakes do happen this was hurrem's mistake.....
54:34 that mirror saved her life in a way during the firuze Thursday thing, because he did remembered Hurrem when he saw the mirror like she said here
Maria was only used for Ibrahim all have the faulth in this chapter all them do something bad, Maria betray her best fried, Hürrem poison to Maria, Ibrahim send to Maria just for hurt to Hürrem, Suleyman was with Maria and Valide like always was unfair
I am laughing when Mahi says she is haseki ,in real life the title she had was just bas kadin ,The first to bore the title Haseki Sultan was Hurrem. Mahi was not even a sultana !
She was a sultana because she gave the sultan a boy a prince
The title Haseki sultan was ONLY given to Hürrem. Never to Madihevran.
I wish the series would get these things right.
Hurrem actions and attitude are annoying and ver bad I don't know why people are defending her bad attitudes, she respect no one but she wants to be treated with respect
Finally someone who said it, except for me!!
Yes truee
She doesn’t have to respect enemies lmaooo
The only bad thing here, is when HURREN give some taught love......everyone cry
I stopped feeling sympathy for Alexandra in this episode. The fact that she could do that to someone who has been nothing but kind and decent to her since the day they met, means that she had bad in her even before she was abducted from her homeland. Gulnihul had no choice but to lie with the Sultan. Was she supposed to say, "no thanks, I'll just take a beheading instead,"? Why Gulnihul stayed anywhere near Alexandra after that, I'll never understand.
Maria Betrayed Hurrem,she sleep with the man she is in love ,what can she do ?
Maria can say that to Hurrem , what Ibrahim do, and thats it .
If she didn’t do it what if the sultan fell in love with her??
@@kejda_bako Exactly
She wanted to take Hürrem’s place
Poor Mustafa even today we dont use the math they were teaching him lol. I feel him on wanting to learn something elas
Rewatching for Nigar Kalfa🥰
She was lucky, Gulnihal hadnt died abd everyone was busy with Hatice.
When Mahidevran stormed in when Daye said to come back...if Hurrem had done that.....dungeon you go
How come Hurrem did that to gulnihal!!! This way is too stupid and obvious as everybody will know it was her job!!!
They created unnecessary drama in the series!
Valedi so unfair to hurrem..wen madihevran poinson and beat to hurrim she can't punish mahidevran.. if hurrem can do wrong..she punish hurren valedi not fair...from the start..
Ebrihiem set gulihal up so she got greedy also friends don't do that but omg she gets them all when she is freed and married lol
Bruh why they act like maria is an angel and never slept with sulaiman twice🙄
Love to see how many wingmen Hatice and Ibrahim has
If people don’t like Hürrem’s attitude, you have to remember that she saw her whole family killed in front of her, was taken as a slave to a harem, where almost every woman there in authority was cruel and physical and unfair to her. That’s where she learnt it from.
Everything she is doing she learnt from the women at the palace. They instructed her not just in what she should do but also in what she should not do. She was young and traumatised and she had no way to cope with what was happening to her except by copying the behaviours she saw.
She learnt that weak people suffer and that strong people win. So all she know to do was to be strong.
They caused this. If she’d been treated with some kindness and respect, she would have calmed down and made friends. As it was she saw no other way to survive than to fight them, to strive to win…
Imho
This is all Valides fault from the beginning. Not giving Mahi a consequence for her actions and yet she punishes Hurrem. Mahi did far worse. She didn't welcome her, because she was very young. Mahi and Ibrahim didn't like her either. Now Hurrem turned into Mahi. Gulnihal knew Hurrem would kill her. She was just obeying orders. Hurrem is going to hurt her more. Hurrem gaslights her with no remorse. Gulnihal doesn't deserve to be friends with Hurrem. Gulnihal is the type of friend I would like to have.
It makes it so much worse now marks looked after Alexandria so many times saving her life
The fact that hurrem was a poor girl who fell into richest made everyone jealous but the more u get the more u want
Sorry but, some things Hürrem done, has no excuse! She tried to kill her best friend, because she thought she betrayed her! Later, she tried to destroy every woman who go to Suleyman's bed, just because she wanted him only for her eyes! And people blame only Mahidevran who beat and poisoned her and give right to Hürrem, because everything she did, did it for survival! Killing innocent people has no excuse!
Innocent people? Bwahahahahahaha! Bottttt🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Innocent people? Bwahahahahahahhaha
She keeps on forgetting that she has to share suleyman
Many people criticize hurrem in the matter of gulnihal. But I stood for Hurrem Because Gulnihal changed her religion to Islam to be like hurrem, but hurrem changed into Islam to avenge her family.
Another thing Gulnihal cheated Hurrem by not telling her in the night itself,that they are sending her to suleyman. So hurrem will definitely offend it. Instead of it she thought to be like hurrem, joined them, not once but twice. So, here Hurrem didn't cheat on anyone but Gulnihal did. And poor hurrem raised gulnihal from a normal concubine to her concierge, given her all her facilities shared with, trusted her the most and it is very painful that our own best friend cheated us....... Poor hurrem .
That's why her son Mehmet died....as you sow ...so shall you reap.
Why are you spoiling on people?
Thanks for revealing.. Now i can continue watching otherwise i was about to give up watching bcoz of this trash hurrem
The ends of the sister sleeves r finished with a serger 😂 i don’t think they had that back then😜
This all women are fight with each other for one men.... 😂first i like hurrem. She also like mahidewran
if i was there and treated the way she was oh I’d be evil too. Don’t act like y’all wouldn’t
Even her bestfriend became a traitor😣☹️
Naahhh. Idk why they liked hurrem. I never did .she never respect everyone, the rules, the law, so arrogant. She knew the principles of a harem. But whatever - I'm still going to root for her because she's courageous 🤣and she's the lead
Hurem is more worst than everyone else
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What show are you watching bottt? Hurrem is best! Hahahahaha
Lmaoooo! What? Hurrem is kind and smart and she is protecting herself. Watch better!
I love Hürrem down but she definitely has her moments where its like “GIRL CALM DOWN FOR ONCE!”. But honestly her reaction is valid when it comes to Gülnihal, they’re friends and honestly in Hürrem’s book that’s “girl code”, but then again it’s a harem so the Sultan could never be off limits. But Sumbul Agha and Nigar Kalfa were the ones to blamed out of all of this, and of course Ibrahim.
THE MONSTER HAS BEEN CREATED!!!!
what monster?
And finally Hurrem became Mahidevran. Both of them attack to other girls. No one understand that it's not their fault?
I love the song she sings.
😂After this episode no one should question Hurrem's evilness.
Look at what she did to her ONLY friend!!!!
Nkkatuwa so hurrem tlagang itinabi Kay suleyman baby nila
hahahahaha they cant resist hurrem!
she doesnt mind if she looks likes a crazy woman or shes out of her senses! she is showing who really alexandra or hurrem is😊😍not the other harem full of propaganda...mahidevran has no guts of showing her evilness .unlike hurrem always ready for fighting
Gulnihal betraying Hurrem!
I find that Hürrem was kind of unfair to Maria because she really didn't have a say in whether sleeping with Suleyman or not and the slap Valide gave her was kind of satisfying😅
We hate Mahidevran from the beginning but Hurrem is, a horrible human being. Very selfish, no gratitude, crazy.
Hahahahahaha! What show are you watching? Hurrem is great woman and good person, bottt
Hahahahaha! No she is not! Hurrem was kind and smart and she is protecting herself.
Hurrem started out as a good but childish teenager. She did become cruel as the show went on but it was out of necessity for her and children's survival.
Was the real hurrem this crazy? She is really crass . Maybe she will get better as a human . Kosem sultan was class from the beginning and sincerely kind
Nope she wasn’t at all. She even had good relationship with valide sultan and Suleyman was exclusive to her
Bwahahahahha! Kosem was evilll! She killed her sons for powerrrr! Hurrem is best!
No, Hurrem is the sweetest kind and smart and she is protecting herself. Kosem killed her sons for poweer.
@@shoshokikocockerspaniel67l8 U want nothing to do with Kosem s story I hate her she killed one of her sons for power but Hurrem loved her children dearly really loved those children Kosem no way
I hate this Hurrem for doing this to her friend
The ep hurrem lost my sympathy
Yes evrey girl in the harem had the same right to become ambitious
It's not only hurrems right
Maria's words were so true
Hurrem started it all with evreyone
Mahideveran didn't lost your sympathy when she tried to kill unborn child or when she ruined hurrem's face and not to mention she stole sultan from gulfem too
@@kimkai.823 and that's the waY you justified what hurrem did to Maria
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@kimkai.823 This Shosshoo is BOTT!
Hahahahaahahahah! SHOSHHO LOCKkOO, Hurrem never started it, others started it! Try agaiiin, BOTTT!
@@Aliakaramm SHOSHHO BOTTT, Hurrem never started it! Try agaiiiin🤡🤡🤡
I think what mahidebran was doing with Hurram is totally justified Because of his arrogance and his action against her own friend, he think that he Own sultan
I can see why Hurrem did that to Marie. . she knew that Marie wanted what she had. Marie did betray Hurrem.
I'll be honest, I don't like the Viziers and Paşas that much, especially since Ahmet Paşa was very prejudiced with converts and people of other religions, ethnicities, etc. But even here, in the very beginning, Ahmet Paşa could tell how greedy Ibrahim was prone to being. And honestly, rewatching it I can see Ibrahim's greed and ego from the very start. No wonder his ending was what it was, he led himself there despite the Sultan's constant warnings.
No one in this show is innocent or pure good, it's why I like the characters so much, they're very complex. But some of them really seem to lack that survival instinct 😭😭
Like, Hürrem was crazy, but she knew her place with Suleyman and knew what to say and do and when, most of the time at least, enough to keep herself in his favor.
Ibrahim grew arrogant, thinking because Suleyman cared about him and used his talents that he was controlling the Sultan. He took Suleyman's offer for partnership and friendship and saw it as an opportunity to play puppeteer. Sad but realistic.
I felt so bad for Gulnihal. She was just doing as she was told.
I liked the early episodes better when Hurrem and Hatice were on good terms
Ibrahim or sumbul could have openly summoned gulnihal hatun, infront of hurrem... Sultan himself asked ibrahim to prepare gulnihal for him in his chamber... Atleast hurrem would have known that suleiman is not just hers
The guilty one remains the Sultan . He chose to take Hurrem’s servant, Maria while Hurrem is in labor with his child , just for his entertainment while Hurem is in pain if labor. what kind of “real man” is so selfish to do something like that ??