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Tomato Trellising for a High Tunnel Environment
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- Опубликовано: 18 фев 2014
- URI Agricultural Extension Agent, Andy Radin, discusses a tomato trellising system for us in a high tunnel environment.
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We visited your farm on an open day and got to see this system is use. We use the same clips now and grow our tomatoes the same way... no more diseases or crazy mess of tomato vines everywhere....
Great example and explanation! Thank you.
We tried this last year in Florida and had wonderful results! Will definitely do it again.
East Hill Edible Gardening how high do you have to hang them to keep them out of reach to the alligators and crocodiles
@@clearingbaffles They are only interested when they are juiced and used in Bloody Marys, so no worries! lol
this is one of the most informative videos ive seen. thank you
I like a lot of leaves. They gather the sunlight and make the sugar. Not too many but the plant should have enough leaves for abundant photosynthesis. I like tomatoes as sweet as cherries.
You teach more then others on how to trellis. Thank you
I really enjoyed this presentation, it was useful and engaging. I'm taking notes. Thanks!
Lol...I did this system last year in my 20 x 30 high roof greenhouse and ended up producing 3800 Lbs of Roma's all seasom.
Some of the vines were 26 feet long.
26 FEET LONG?!? *mind blown*
Where is the video of this 26 foot long plant?
Wow! 😛
What was your spacing
@@1231dre 12"O.C , Rows @ 60".O.C.
(Push pollinated)
Your ideas are the best I've seen. Thank you! Love the organic and low cost. We've had a second hand high tunnel for a few years and are slowly learning. I've implemented some of your ideas here in NY. Please tell me how much fish emulsion, calcium and Epsom salt per plant. I'm planning for next year.:-)
I would so love to see your greenhouse when its in full production! Very inspiring!!!
Forget the tomatoes, I like her oranges. When she bents everytime, she reveals a lot; good on her.
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GO FOR TOMATOES AND LEAVE ORANGES. TOMATOES ARE SAFER THAN ORANGES. UNAUTHORIZED TOUCHING OF ORANGES CAN EARN YOU JAIL TIME.
GREAT VIDEO ! Thanks for the tip about the tomato clips and hangers. I ordered both on Amazon.
I love the technique and will try it this year. I hate that you talk about Epsom salts, though, without discussing that it is should not be used unless the soil is deficient in magnesium. Epsom salts is used by so many people when it is not needed and can have negative consequences on the water table, and the plant, unless the soil is being intensively planted. In home gardens, it is almost NEVER needed and can cause blossom end rot if used in excess. A soil test should always be done before amending soil.
Debbie, I agree with you completely about the misconception about the magic of Epsom salt. However, growing tomatoes under this set of conditions is very demanding of nutrients (and water). Magnesium deficiency usually shows up at some point. Research has shown that it is usually temporary while the root system is growing deeper to where there are more nutrients. But magnesium is a macronutrient- plants use a lot of it; so is sulfur. A tomato plant that produces over 20 lbs of fruit eats up lots of magnesium, and potassium and calcium. All should be in abundant supply. Visible signs of deficiency (such as blossom end rot, a deficiency of calcium) is rarely from lack of that nutrient in the soil. It's a (usually) temporary physiological imbalance.
However, Andy, Epsom Salts can deprive the fruit of calcium by inhibiting uptake of calcium from the soil. If one has a magnesium deficiency, then you should add magnesium. Blossom End Rot is caused by a calcium deficiency at the fruiting site. How much magnesium and calcium is available to your plants is dependent partly on your ph. I just am discouraged when folks are advised to add Epsom Salts without the info they need to understand that it can do damage, can actually cause otherwise healthy plants to develop BER, can divert the plants resources to developing foliage instead of fruit. Personally, I add calcium with gypsum, which does not alter the ph, which stays around 6.9 in my garden. I have never needed magnesium and have regular soil tests. Most home gardeners never need magnesium. Yes, with intense growing, or a very low ph, you may need to add magnesium. Folks really should know the difference, and a soil test will tell them what they need.
He lost me at hay as a source of organic matter.
@@andyradin7992 exactly...it is a widespread problem that people say to add certain products as though they are universal when all soils are different however in this case the grower added about 1kg mag sulphate to about 200m2 of heavy feeding seasonal tomatoes which is maintenance amounts and won't harm anything. He wasn't saying to use it anywhere anytime either because his only reason for discussing nutrition was in relation to the cost basis that particular demo crop
Great video and explanation on growing tomatoes intensively in a small space.
I wonder what would be the smallest area for this type of cultivation.
You could probably do it with much less width, but the height is critical and the more length you have the better. We've got maybe 30'x20' (about 10m x 6m) of good sunny yard space, so I'm not really considering this myself. I do wonder about how I could adapt from it for some vine on an upward angle though.
@@jeffengel2607 thankyou for the reply. I am from small island and we import all of the vegetables from main land. I was wondering if I could introduce it to my island and motivate a few other people in to this. Could you recommend some good reading/videos regarding intensive cultivation techniques. Good luck with your green house.
@@zidanethalib MIGardener's channel here on RUclips has a wealth of videos on intensive home gardening, aiming at mid-sized plots. The creator is in Michigan, in the north-central United States, so the specific crops may vary a bit from what you would be going for (or not - he's got a lot on intensive tomato growth, which _does_ scale to small plots) but the general techniques should apply. Huw Richards does good videos too - maybe a little more for general techniques but with cooler still climate.
@@jeffengel2607 thanks again. I will check out.
I’m Montagnard indigenous , I grew tomatoes here in North Carolina , they not produce a lot of fruit , you tomato’s looks so beautiful colors.
I grew tomato plants that reached lengths of 16' long last year using this method!
Me too.
This has so much great info! Thanks!! 👍👍
Phenomenal video!
Excellent Video 😁👍👍👍
This dude is the master
Your garden is looking very beautiful.....
Hi Heidi- I got those from Berry Hill Drip Irrigation in Virginia; I may have either misstated the price or I was talking about the clips for tomato vines. However, they are still only $0.20 a piece, so for 200 plants, it's $40. I recall us buying a big box for a lot less- ask them about a full box price...
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Wow! Just wow! So thorough! You now have a subscriber!
Very informative. Thanks.
Epic video!
I hope I can figure out how to do the metal around the tomatoes in my backyard. I have the clips and hangers but I don’t have that structure and I would like to have something like that in my backyard. I’m just not sure how to do that or how to find that stuff to do it And climbing up on a ladder to get something and come down and whatever I’m not sure about that because of my health and balance issues but that is what I want. I’m actually in Georgia I’m not in your state and my stuff is in my backyard, which is the north side of my property that I’m not doing gardening in my front yard. No I’m in a community not out from Town.
I am totally going to this system, and in the process of building one that will be 8.5 ft tall x 6 ft wide, and 32 feet long. I have a long narrow yard/driveway and have to plant in containers. I don't plan to have any kind of plastic cover at this time. I'm mainly building this because it is a better use of space, and tomato stakes were not doing anything for me. I'm thinking I may want to cover it next spring so I can get my started plants out sooner. (I'm in Pa. btw.) This is an excellent video, and I'm already using them to discover some varieties of tomatoes that I may try for next year. Never to early to start thinking about that. Thanks for this well thought out video.
Thanks for the compliment David. To see some other varieties we've grown here at the University of Rhode Island, see my reviews at our Digital Commons site: digitalcommons.uri.edu/riaes_bulletin/
I will check that out - thanks.
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I'm worried the twine would be too abrasive and would scratch my plants as the slide up it when growing or when brushing against it when windy. This I fear would cause wounds/damage from the scratches. This in turn would make it more susceptible to diseases and pests. Cotton string would be softer but fear it'd become mildewy/moldy from retaining water and be too heavy from the water weight. What would be the safest string/twine/tape, etc. to use then? Help!
Brilliant idea, I will adapt to my space. Thanks
Can you provide the source or the name for the clips?
such a next level system. I will try this.
i hope i'm not being nosey. but did you have company contract or was this a farmers market sales?
Hello Andy! Thank you for this very informative video. What size is your greenhouse? How many plants do you have in this greenhouse? What spacing do you use? How many pounds of tomatoes do you get on average per grow season? Many thanks and warm wishes!
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Love your method.. am inspired
. Tnk you!!
How many years do you plant in the same soil? Do you then remove the soil and bring in new soil or do you plant a crop that would not be vulnerable to tomato oriented disease?
The pruning on them is...ReleNtlESS!!@
It is, believe me.
Very informative, thank you .
Would this work outside if you live in a more southern zone? I know you'd need tall pvc framing.
You grow tomatoes inside a tunnel even in summer? Is it not very hot? Is that tunnel had the side open in summer?
At 6:00ish I must say nice tomatoes
Gene Murphy she was farting that’s for sure
@@osamab814 Even better.
I was thinking the same thing. He had very good control.
Going to try a similar method on our raised beds this year...wish me luck!
How did it turn out?
Great video; I was wondering how far apart do you space the tomatoes and Conduit
How big is your high tunnel? And how many plants did you put in it?
Sejal Lanterman, love your tomatoes
What thickness is the twine you're using and is it attached to the ground or just clipped to a low point on the plant?
you glossed over the major costs when you were talking about string, clips and fertilizer :-)
- how much does the greenhouse cost ? wish you would disclose that side ... it's MAJOR. how many seasons does it take to start turning a net profit ?
No
a 30' x 96' high tunnel usually costs around $10 000
so when i lower tomato i shift it to the side. do i need to shift them all to left or all to right? if yes i will end up in neighbors yard. can this be used in short rows?
Valeria Todd bet your neighbors would be happy for that
VERY IMPRESSIVE!!
Hi there Andy - I am wondering how you are connecting the overhead conduit to the frame of the high tunnel? What is the diameter of the conduit? We are trying to set up a similar system on our Gro-Max Gothic 30x96 High Tunnel, but I am wondering about the load. Thanks for this awesome video!
What kind of string do you use? How thick can the clips manage?
Very interesting video...thanks, Andy. I am preparing to attempt my first try at this type of growing/trellising. I built a small (28'x56') high tunnel last fall, and this is all new to me. I will be grafting Granadero, Sakura, Pozzano, Bigdena, San Marzano, and a very special Italian heirloom to Maxifort, Estamino, and DRO141TX rootstocks, since these rootstocks are the most readily available to me through Johnny’s seeds. Alongside these, I will also trellis Diva cucumbers, with a row of lettuce as well. I'd like to attempt this trellis lower & lean method you are demonstarting. Can you please elaborate on how to get the trellising started on young plants and how to set up the overhead part? Any other thoughts would also be much appreciated.
I am so excited to try this in our high tunnel this year. Where did you find your tomato hooks? I've looked EVERYWHERE on-line and although I have found them, they are REALLY expensive. You said you got like 1000 for $40!
I found them at www.johnnyseeds.com
price is not the same. Tomahook case of 287 $89,,,,,, Tomato clip's $149 for 9,250
@ 0:33, "I wanted to show her MY intensive production system" too, because i too forgot about eating tomatoes and suddenly got a craving for "a lovely bunch of coconuts", but i think i'd have gone about TELLING her a little more tactfully.
What is the variety of tomato at 5:05 in the video?
Thanks for the great video, very cool demonstration! Is there anything about this model that would be problematic outside? Perhaps more susceptible to sun-scald? Would leaving the bare vines on the ground make it any more susceptible to disease?
Hi David- sorry for the delayed reply! I should have been getting notifications of when comments were made... Anyway, to your questions: Probably the main issue outside is that you'd have to have a structure in place to hold it all up. Perhaps if you have an old hoophouse structure that you are not using, you'd have something with enough strength. Remember also that if you use an overhead cable, the ends of the structure will try to pull inward, so bracing is necessary. Sunscald may be less of an issue outside, actually, because with more moving air, the fruit tissue cannot accumulate heat faster than heat is lost. Sunscald is thought to begin when the fruit tissue reaches 86 degrees (edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pdffiles/HS/HS20000.pdf). Still, foliage cover is important to prevent it, either inside or out. Good quesion about bare vines on the ground: I've never seen stem diseases enhanced by this. Plastic mulch will prevent vines from rooting, but I can't say whether that matters, unless you are using grafted plants.
It's good information
Awesome video. Thanks
Nice video, reminds me of the beauty and the beast.
Thank for sharing!
He said you can get 1,000 hangers for $40, where would one buy them and would they come with the string?
I think that's his wholesale price because he uses so many, but if you go to Amazon, you can get them for $2 apiece - "tomato J hooks" or "tomato support hooks" - Also, the clips for the tomatoes are available there as well - you can get 200 for about $10.
what kind and size of twine do you use?
Have you read Charles Wilber's book about how he grew world record yield tomatoes?
342 lbs per plant is the record. He grew Better Boy hybrid plants.
Haven't heard of this; I have to wonder if it was either in a warmer climate or in a heated greenhouse. There are some people who grow hydroponic plants for well over a calendar year, so the cumulative production of that one plant (if it can be kept alive and disease/whitefly free) could really add up.
How long does it take to grow a tomato plant before you start to see those tomatoes grow
Great video! What is the space between the two cables that support the hangers?
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Felicidades por tan hermosa dedicación
Yo fui agricultor aquí en mi país Costa Rica
Saludos
very cool, thanks
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I love this video. Unfortunately, I got my greenhouse together and bought my plants way later than usual, so I am playing catch up. I have about 100 plants under my 20X48 frame. It took me too long to get the conduit and the hangers up, so now I have a bunch of really bushy tomatoes rather than a nice long vine. I have tried to pick a winner and clipped the best looking branch to the hanging line. I am not sure what to do with the remaining branches though. I don't want to just cut them off as there is plenty of fruit already setting on them. I am thinking of just pinching off the growth tips of all the other branches and pruning out the suckers. I may have to tie those branches up to though as they are going to get pretty heavy.
Has anyone else had a similar experience or have advice on the right way to go about this?
Next year, there won't be a problem as the infrastructure will be in place at the beginning of the season, but I just want to salvage what I can of this season.
how'd it go?
-Curious
It actually went pretty well. I hung them on the tomato hangers like in the video, then just tied several pieces of 10' twine together by folding them in half and tying them in a loop in the middle. I hung those on the hanger, then just tied off all of the various branches and trained them up. Couldn't do the leaning and lowering part, but I was able to get some of them to grow over 7' and had a really nice yield. Next year they will have a proper high tunnel to live in and will get in nice and early, so this technique should work great.
Sounds like partial success, Darby, which is great! Next year (or should I say this year), get right on that axillary bud pinching and stay with it. Actually, for me it becomes an obsession...
Well once I had a similar situation. I bought 18 bush tomato plants but obviously the guy at the shop was new and gave me indeterminate plants. After planting them it took me almost 2 months to realize what happened but I didn't had the same luck with you. Bad wet weather for long period gave me some blight and ruined the plants. However I wanted to add that I did an experiment. One raw (6 plants) I let only one stem, the second raw I let 2 stems and the third one three stems. Before the blight take the plants I surly got a good amount of tomatoes out of the 2 and 3 stemed plants. From that time I usually leave 2 stems per plant and cut the bottom leafs as soon as I can...
Thanks for that quality video. A question I have is how do you change the soil each year or is it necessary?
look better than mine, what a word
Will the same tomato plant produce tomatoes year after year, or do you have to remove the plant when it's done and replant a new one?
In 99% of regions replant every year.
Up in Rhode Island our winters don’t allow the tomato plants to stay alive thru the winter... so new plants. He said he’d panted new ones mid April....
i need this seed in dubai uae if any one deliver in dubai contact me ...
Do you have any Edvice for a first time plant grower person this is my first time growing tomatoes
Don’t over analyse just get on with it
What are the hangers called?
Good job 👍
NOT EVERYONE has a greenhouse to give you all the elaborate and added overhead support!!!!!!
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That's true. I can't either. I'm 72 and not in the best of health. But it sure is nice to see what others are able to do, isn't it? And this is a University, so we'd hope to learn something. I think what they did is great. Have a nice day!
You don't use enough Epsom salt. We buy it in 50lb. Bags and use 3or4
So you must have bad soil...You dont need epsom salt to grow tomotoes!
hi there . Where can I get the tomato clips. also do you not have weeds when you place the straw down. Do you have to treat the straw.
One source for the clips is Amazon, posted above. This is not my link, but looks legit: www.amazon.com/Vegetable-Garden-Tomato-Trellis-Clips/dp/B00579X2HC
The straw stops weeds from growing as a mulch
Where can I buy the clips and hooks?
Amazon
I like ,thanks
In our country Romania (the land of bio vegetables and fruits) we don't let the tomatoes to go so big, because affects the taste and quality. We preffer to have two rounds of planting. One in spring and one in the summer-fall. Our vegetables and fruits are the best from Europe. NO epsum salt, no nothing.
Really? You also have the sunshine duuuh..
Your cameraman or woman let you down. He should have insisted on big close ups of the various hooks and ties, etc, because they were not always seen clearly, and your hands often obscured the operations you were carrying out.
YOU SOUND LIKE A CAMERA MAN.
I like her tomatoes!🍅🍅👀👍🏼
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Gosh.
Where do you purchase the hangers?
I ordered mine from Nolt's Midwest Produce Supply. www.noltsproducesupplies.net/
You have to call to oder but they have the best prices I have found.
*This woman came to see 1000 tomatoes with her two melons.*
Khaleefa X this comment killed me. 😂 Feel like this poor man struggled most of the interview
..dumbass...
reduce labor and don't till...dress over with some wood mulch along with straw...
Her tomatoes need some support. If only they made hangers for that. 🤔
Ok, ok, ok
"we did not construct it .... that way" typincal science guy, never admit they are worng... just say we did not do it the best way, we were wrong.!
this guys voice sounds a lot like bill gates
Shes yummy!
Stoney Owl 🍩🍩
Also,the female was pretty useless. All she did was mutter “ok” after each statement. She should have asked questions on behalf of the audience. Otherwise, why was she there?
To show cleavage and say "ok"... lol
All I could focus on was the mellons.