"Athens No More + All Time Goats" MFJJ x Tim Connor (ep 50)
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- Опубликовано: 14 апр 2024
- MFJJ and Tim Connor sit down and chat about many things archery including some of the all time great athletes and the recent news about Athens Archery deciding to close the doors. #archery #podcast
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Skip to 23 min to get to the Athens content.
Ty
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Thanks brother
TY...I almost turned it off until I read your note!
Do you guys think that Bowtech went so hard at them because Athens might have been more willing to license the tech to other brands? If Bowtech refused to license because it was their competitive advantage, why would they let a company that might be willing to license live?
I was about to pull the trigger on the Athens. I had a chance to pull back on the Axxis 31 and 33 and really liked how it felt and shot. But, as MFJJ said, I read about the law suite and was reluctant to buy. I have buyers remorse on almost everything I purchase (thanks to my ex wife). I now take my time on EVERY purchase I make. Im glad I took my time on this. I would hate to have spent 1200 bucks only to have a great bow that I would eventually not been able to support or resell. Now Im looking at the BT Core SS to replace my BT Solution.
Mathews mq1 was my first bow. It was ten years old when I bought as a teenager. Awesome history lesson.
Besides the company going under and shops getting shafted; I think the sad part about this is that it seemed to have been an improvement on the technology over the Bowtech system. But because how it was handled, it wasn't able to continue to push that tech forward for the benefit of the end user.
Great pod!!
“Josh’s bow buying habit”, good one Tim, that went right over my head! 😂🤣😂 I love your podcasts by the way! God Bless!
Fly fishing is a great way to spend time. Challenging, but very rewarding and relaxing
I bought a brand new Axxis 31 for 800$ out the door, and it shoots great. Now I've got a 1200$ bow for my back-up. It's as fast as the Core SS and a lot smoother. Basically, I got a Core SS for $800
Have been using my older Athens Revelation as a back up bow, hopefully it doesn’t break until I get a replacement soon.
25:21 i picked up an Elevate for 575 with them going out. Hate to see it happen, but I always wanted to try one and no i have. Its an amazing bow. Makes it me sad they had to close doors. Doible edge sword. Ive never had to warranty a bow. So hopefully that continues with them closed. At the price i got it though, mo worse than buying a used non-warranty bow.
It’s a gamble… just realllyy make sure you don’t dry fire it! Accidents happen.
@davidmayers1645 exactly! 😆. I havent done that in years, but there's always that one chance.
Interesting conversation about Athens vs Bowtech, if they were so protective of there technology what are your thoughts on Mathews bridge lock vs bowtech core. Did Bowtech pay Mathews?
Do you think the patents and the threat of litigation slow the development of new technologies in compounds? If you start looking at the patents just about every part is patented.
Strothers owns the patent and Bowtech pays for it, also you will see on the new 2024 Obsession bows which Strothers created it also has the same design like bowtechs.
I would be curious to see what MFJJ has to say about Obsession bows in a review.
Me too I have an older one and love it thinking about getting a new one.
Blue Mountain archery sold me a T-Rex, closed their doors a month later. Still love my T-Rex and Wolverine. Honestly only have needed new strings over the years. Thank goodness.
Been waiting for this conversation...let me know if you have parts for the vail..mfjj
I wonder what the Podium Athens Bows are selling for?
I’m on the hate Blowtech team. Big corp vs ma and pop. The Archery market is feeding on each other. I hope blowtech goes under. You guys keep up the good work, love watching your work!
This has been how the Archery industry has always worked. You literally can not make a compound bow today without violating some big companies' patent.
MQ32 rocked!
Did MFJJ compare himself to Tom Brady lol love the show guys thanks for another episode
Tekan Broadheads! Bring them back!
Overall I agree with the take on Athens, but one thing that was mentioned was Bowtech and Kyle Douglas. From the interviews with Kyle I have heard, particularly on the Bowjunky podcast, Bowtech forgot to add that clause and still terminated anyway. Kyle didn’t seem to want to deal with the headache of the legal process. Tim did have that clause, so your point there stands.
Im not a Bowtech fan as far as moving the cams not because the lawsuit just cause I like the top hats better less crap to go wrong once my top hats are set im done I dont need to change it all the time its one and done unless I change up crap then its one and done again and it wont fail...
Is there a strategic advantage to staggering the new pods availability on RUclips before Spotify / Apple? I listen to them multiple times but don't need to see your faces to do that.
Can you imagine if they fought them and won! Next year we would have had a Mathews with their version of dead lock!
So what's the discount code on the Athens you have left 😂?
What kinda discount you talking on the Athens?
So many problems can be avoided by performing your own due diligence, thats the just the reality we live in.
You are very correct. It feels like Athens got some really bad legal advice though, it doesn’t matter that one attorney says it’s 10% different. It’s do you have the money to take a lawsuit to trial? and will a judge or jury likely find you to be greater than 10% different? If the answer to both those questions isn’t a strong yes… they made a very illogical and risky choice
This makes me think of Ken block. I watched the Jim corner files and he died a little over a year and a half ago now and just watching everything but knowing that he's gone and then they didn't say anything about it because it was made before he died. It's just wild but makes you like wonder or think about things whenever you do see that kind of stuff
Jordan was way better in every way period the goat
Athens ownership should have called Matt McPherson or Hoyt ownership and said , hey you help fund our legal fight and defend our patent then we grant you an exclusive license to our technology for 10 years. Now Hoyt or Mathews takes the only real marketable technological advantage from bowtech and eats their lunch on sales!!
I would have loved to see some creativity like this suggestion. I would have donated to a go fund me to help the cause too.
What is the Iron Man Greene drink MFJJ is drinking
I disagree that Athens should have called and talked to Bowtech first. From a business perspective the last thing you want to do it tip off your completion that you're taking a run at them. Having a conversation would be completely worthless as either side can say what every they want but can then turn around and do what ever they want which could be completely different than what was discussed. It's business and business is rough.
Patents are only as good as the money in your pocket. I talked to a VP of a company one time about getting a patent. He told me not to bother. Their company is a multimillion dollar company and 3M copies their designs but they can’t afford to drag out a lawsuit against a company that size.
35:25!!!! im a cop lmao!!! I get what you were saying there Tim but 1000% of the time they are calling the cops. No one likes confrontation.
Athens was very narrow-minded going into their new bows. You want to root for the small guy, but when the small guy is blatantly irresponsible, it's hard to feel sorry for them.
Why would you by all those bows if you knew they were going to get sued. Dave Ramsey calls that stupid tax.
Bowtech sued prime for the inline. When primes inline was the cams and bowtech was the accessories🤷♂️.WTF? David vs Goliath?
Or am i missing something?
I think that was Hoyt not bowtech
Gonzaga tied with 9, Duke and NC are both 9 as well. It is incredible for a smaller school to match those historic records by at the time absolute powerhouse schools
I've been a big Athens guy the last few years!.. I was one who kept asking you to review the Athens.. I'm sorry for what they did to you and to any other dealer. The way they acted like it was business as usual until it wasn't,... that's a problem for me. The bows are great bows. I love my peak 38 so much. It makes me mad and upset and just annoyed over all this. I hate it. They basically tanked there company over shims.. freaking shims man. After all the videos and all the podcasts they went on this year.. they look like the biggest ass holes in the archery world. And no one will ever deal with them again. Mountain view got bought out by Sirius archery. Will be interesting to see what they do with the quivers and maybe something else from them.
I thought this was an archery podcast 🤷♂️🤦♂️
It’s called Josh and Tim and it’s free.
@@mikebarriga fair enough
Speaking of patents....... when are the MFJJ draw boards getting another manufacturing run?🤔
Some west coast bias against MJ. Haha
Bridgelock vs Center Mass?? Borrowed technology
Shaq had bad target panic. That’s why they fouled him so much.
I think athens was blowing smoke up josh's ass saying their attorney went over it. Any patent attorney worth their salt would have told them not to do it and advised them they would get sued
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Guys, we come here for archery news and archery topics. If you occasionally dip into sports or other off topic for 5 minutes it's one thing. 25 minutes of completely useless sports talk is not what we're after.
Please please please Don't talk about sports. There's literally a gazillion other people out there doing that. You guys have the best archery content on the planet right now, lean into that.
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Thank you! They lost me. Is skipped right to 23 minutes 😳
don't you worry ol strothers is about to tank another company called obsession! bowtech will be suing them too. just wait and see......
Patents will kill this industry.
And so will shady people.
You have to have enforceable patents or businesses have no incentive to innovate significantly.
@@davidmayers1645 it’s the opposite. Patents kill competition so there’s less innovation. They also help giant companies crush small mom and pop shops
No they won't, it's always been this way, to make a compound bow at all you have to pay other companies, that's why Darton is still around because of the patents they own.
It sucks that athens is gone. However, their bows are still a tier 1 bow, and the tech is there! They're still holding at value, and you shouldn't be worried about warranty issues unless you plan to dry fire your bow! They're still an excellent bow that will last. If you care for it, like a bow should be.
Shaq was 60% from the line in college and close to 50% in the pros. Duke, North Carolina and Gonzaga tired at 9. UCLA had 9 championships in a row and 10 of 12 prior to the NCAA tournament.
UCLA 1967-1980 14 Sweet 16's and 8x championships
also, I'd love to see Athens sell that design to Mathews and see how fast Bowtech decides it wasn't infringing after all
So if I understood josh correctly he is upset that Athens didn’t warn him ahead of time so he could knowingly off load the bows he had to the consumer knowing they would no longer have a warranty?
Yeah, that's what I got too.
Quite interesting if you ask me.
A bit contradictory.
No. He bought a bow a couple days before they closed the doors. He wouldn’t have bought that bow had he known
This was a little shocking too. Like he sounds super bitter he took a hit but he would be fine doing that to the 12 customers who he would have knowingly sold those bows too? The whole second half of that conversation was hard to listen to as a customer.
I caught that too, however I'd like him to comment on if he would have informed the customers or basically done the same as athens and knowingly sell a product from a company that is closing up shop..
Is this a new ESPN podcast.
Drew Henson was the freshman on Michigan that played over Tom Brady.
I actually played baseball against Henson. Dude was as good as it gets in high school baseball. Watched him hit a home run off my brother with one arm that went over a storage shed that was well beyond the center field fence. He's rated as the 10th best high school baseball player EVER!
So many bows have the little nubby stabilizer, they all take from each other. Athens was clearly a ripoff
It feels alittle hypocritical by bowtech they copied Matthew's bridge lock with there sight
If you look up the Mathews patent it lists specifically the dovetail design.
Bowtechs isn't a dovetail.
Mathewa still might sue over it though, you never know.
Whereass the Deadlock patent specifically states a threaded axle, which athens copied. (And bowtechs patent includes and axle going through the limbs and several other mounting options)
Oh yeah, it sucked.
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I don’t think Lebron is more talented than Kobe. I think he is a genetic freak amongst genetic freaks. Kobe’s death is the only celebrity/athlete that affected me.
lmao! Lebron is definitely not more talented than Kobe. But good stuff fellas
When Athens came put with the Accu-tune they even stole elements of Bowtechs Logo.
Wow, you guys are way off base. The GOAT is Michael Jordan. Kobe looked up to his big brother Jordan. Jordan also had six rings. His will to win is untouched bar none!! Six finals six rings six Mvp's.
The 10% things is nonsense.
Bowtechs patent looks like a very broad patent that covers just about any cam that would adjust via threads.
It is smart when you file a patent to make as broad as possible for this reason, and everyone does.
MFJJ, I disagree about you saying others like Hoyt would have sued the pants off of them too. At least Hoyt licenses their pic rail mount. Bowtech purposely intended to squeeze the little guy out over technology every bow should have. It's ridiculous, and at the end of the day, the consumer loses due to corporate greed. Bowtech has a serious PR issue and a whirlwind of Karma coming back to smack them in the face and I'll be here for it. #blowtechsucks
Spread the word brother