I just find it funny how much stuff needed to happen to get to this point: - Enemies with powerful hydro and cryo attacks - Entire sets of characters who want zero ATK stat - Enemy movement patterns almost exactly the diameter of Bennett’s circle so that they jump out of it if you bursted with Bennett right in front of them instead of offset with them. It’s really noticeable if you try to keep a Fontaine Mek inside Collei’s burst radius which is even smaller than Bennett’s. - All the buff gimmicks at 50% or 80% HP so that Bennett’s 70% HP heal does not easily trigger the buff
Don't forget that Hoyoverse also had to make a lot of characters not snapshot. It isn't coincidence that the lack of this, something generally added so that DoT characters don't fall behind their instant damage counterparts, is something that many characters started to be without once it was clear Benny was a problem to game balance.
@@Axterix13the no snapshot thing isn’t as bad because Hoyo is typically giving DoT characters higher scalings now to compensate or allowing characters to increase their damage significantly mid rotation. For example, chiori in a geo team, has scalings on par with the better sub dps in the game. If she did snapshot she may have lost that, and worse, she’d compete with ito for gorou’s 9 seconds of buff time. Ito burst is already 12 seconds, giving him 75% uptime of gorou buff at peak gameplay. Chiori not snap shotting means she will just obtain gorou’s passive buffing immediately when he casts his burst mid rotation
Out of the 4 onfielders released in Fontaine, 3 run teams with bennet. Playing within a circle sucks, but until we get 5* replacement, he's not going away.
@@thebetterelitenerd considering the ammount of pyro dps we have and the archons being mainly universal supports, i think she wont be another pyro dps, even if shes called god of war
The self-aura is a double-edged sword, but overall, I think it's a plus. It enables not only Kazuha Double-Swirl setups, but also Sunfire, which is great for forward vape teams. And it also clears other auras from you, which can have a more negative effect in some cases. He is the only one who can do this, which makes him unique.
Jean can swirl elements off you which you mentioned for sunfire then forgot that it works for every element. Also pretty sure other effects like Barbara's skill that applies hydro can remove their reaction elements like pyro. Bennett's self pyro is just a basic reaction not a special effect.
its helped u not to get frozen in old model of spiral abyss but community raged at those mechanics being too hard so they removed cleansing mechanics needs
with venti they are afraid of Ganyu&Ayaka morgana, with Benny they are afraid of national team and its dozens varian. For now they are able to kill Morgana, wonder how they gonna kill national.
The pyro archon either becomes our 37th onfield pyro character, or she powercreeps bennett or xiangling. And every single endgame player wants Circle Impact to die in a fire. I think it's a pretty safe guess that she's gonna give teamwide ATK but have no healing, infusion or small annoying circles to stay inside of.
He won't go anywhere even if hoyo releases a 5star version of him. The reason is that he is so easy to build and his power spike is on c1 which is pretty early. Also abyss usage rates depend a lot on which characters are better against some specific enemies so having Bennett's usage rate drop for one abyss cycle doesn't tell us the whole story (ex. neuvilette can obliterate anything on this abyss so his usage rate goes up but he is not compatible with Bennett so Bennett's usage rate drops).
If they release new atk buffer that are stronger than him but don't allow their buffs to stack. They might have a way to kill his usage a lot. Still he will always be an easy to get 4* so he will always have that upside.
“He won’t go anywhere” Let me ask: why won’t Hoyo make new characters that can rival him? Like I imagine a company would want to release new characters people would wanna pull on despite him being used all the time? Like what’s the point of making new characters if people gonna still use the old?
@@InTheEnd75 because even if hoyo makes new characters like him they probably won't be as accessible as him and they surely won't be as easy to build as him. He requires minimal investment and brings maximum value equal to a lot of five stars. This combination won't be recreated by the stingy hoyo.
For us XiaoMains, it's a dream, playing without his damn circle is amazing! Bennett for us, IS DEAD! No circle impact, no hit kills! All Hail for Xiao, Furina, Faruzan and Xianyun!
@@manday2267 there are some situational problems in practice. If you don't place the burst near the center of the room, you might end up being too far from the next wave. His range is about the radius of the abyss room. It also prevents you from kiting sideways and manipulating enemy ai in certain ways.
Wanderer is probably the least affected by Bennet’s circle restriction, but not having that restriction would be better for him too. It would also allow him to better kite the enemies in shield-less teams, using his mobility and the A4 dashes to avoid damage.
The only reason Bennet is getting "worse" is because they realized their mistake making a 4 star give the highest attack buff in the game so they made newer characters not rely on him to deal a lot of damage. I still love bennet tho and my wanderer does too.
Who said it was a mistake? Maybe they always knew how to counter him and shift the meta away from him all along so they made him look "broken" at the beginning.
@@nathipyrhmn5984 I said it was a mistake because Bennet for the longest time was the best support in the game and most of the 4 stars they released after that paled in comparison. It literally doesn't make any sense for them to make Bennet like that if they already knew how to counter him in the first place. What kind of developer intentionally makes a character fall off after 3 years when it's blatantly obvious that numerous teams rely on him to do most of their damage. That just doesn't make any sense.
@@kendallmerchant9903 Idk, maybe Venti was also a mistake and surely not something intended right? Maybe ending freeze era was also not intended right? Maybe that has nothing to do with their intention to sell newer units and push newer comps right?
@@TheGenshinScientist yep of course watched the whole vid. you say at 7:30 "bennett is becoming more niche", but most recent dpses still use him. the circle impact thing and extra dmg from reactions thing is definitely valid, but it's more of an annoyance players have to work around rather than actually affecting his strength. as for the usage rate thing, I believe usage rates atm are heavily affected by neuvillette, who doesn't use bennett. there's no coincidence that all of neuvillettes popular teammates are at the top. DRAGON OP
@jamiekb9v I asked u if you watched the video because I kind of went over all the fontaine chars that use bennett and how they can improve without bennett (for navia and wrio) in the future, thanks to more flexibility and better scaling with their signatures Annoyance = nerf in strength to me. This is true for carries and it's true for supports. The same way we penalize characters with bad flaws (Hu Tao) and favor ones that have great playstyle advantages (Neuvillette) in terms of power level, I don't see why the same doesn't apply to Bennett. Sure, in the speedrun/tc context where you retry many times to get the best scenario/assume full buffs uptime, he's godly, but that's not super consistent to me anymore.
@@TheGenshinScientist yeah but the thing is, player have no other choice, even when you try anything else, you wont always sacrifice one of your main dps to play with another just to have less results than a bennett circle impacted team. So players will always be affected with bennett curse so long their dps are atk scalers
Me in 2.X: WHY CAN'T I HAVE BENNY ON BOTH SIDES?! Me in 4.X: Who's Bennett? 😂 For real it feels like every move Hoyo has made since 3.0 has been carefully crafted to make Bennett less valuable or harder to play. Doesn't work with Dendro (except burn-melt), doesn't buff HP scaling carries, doesn't teamwide heal for Furina, etc. I almost never use him any more. I know I have at least once since 4.0 cause I remember being melted by Coppelius' ice blades in abyss. But it's probably only once or twice. I used to like characters who didn't need Bennett since there was only one of him, nowadays I like them because it means he can stay benched.
@@tsuwu5260 I looked through my clear history over the last year and saw he showed up about half the time prior to 4.0, but only once since lol. Double dendro teams was the shit in 3.X tho.
I mean you have Wriothesley, Navia and Lyney who use Bennett in their teams. Characters that work with 3 different dps's in that game are maybe archons or busted units like Kazuha.My point is that Bennett is still one of the best choices for even new units
@@kabuuj3400 One of the best choices sure. I never play my Navia with Bennett, and she's probably my strongest DPS atm. It's usually one Furina team and one Nahida team in abyss for me, and Bennett is completely optional in both.
I was never using Bennet and i am not planning to, so nothing really changeds for me. The circle restriction was one of big reasons for that. But anyway, after more than three years, it is about time, to get some better supports.
@@felipepoffofirst of all, pyro archon might be a dps, if so she will 100% use Bennet Second of all, even if she’s bennet 2.0, she won’t powercreep him because he’s still one of the easiest, most f2p characters in the game. Similar to xingqiu and yelan, Bennet will still be meta, maybe even better than the pyro archon
The most annoying thing about Bennett's burst imo is the Pyro infusion, and it's particularly noticeable in this abyss in all first halves of floor 12. In chamber 1 enemies burn you with dendro, in the second they knock you around with overload, and in the last chamber Coppelia melts all the cryo attacks because of the Pyro aura. Not saying that it's impossible to do it, it's jut very annoying. BUT, is it really a bad thing that Bennett is " falling off" the meta? Imo no, because that keeps me trying new teams and not get bored
Not worse, nothing made him directly worse. He's just less usable for new characters, adding Bennet+Xiangling to any team is like old version of adding hyperbloom to any character to make performance much better lol.
@@cheezie9520 where is even mentioned word meta here? I said he got less usable (so less meta) but didn't worse. At first wdym just by word "worse"? Less meta? Direct multipliers change? Having much more often enemies that counter him?
Pyro archon would be most likely a 70% Xiangling and 30% Benny, based on the last two playable archons. E skill is off field dmg and burst is a buff or vice versa
I never did bother building my Bennett, solely because he is too restrictive. It's not like you can't complete the Spiral Abyss without him. Even then, his circle restriction often leads to a loss of DPS unless you can group enemies together, which often means you will want Kazuha in the group, as well. Without Kazuha, he loses a lot of value in my eyes.
@@ChAnTAxR And you know what Sucrose national has always been friggin broken, almost always on top of the all-4star speedruns beating most of the 5-star teams in terms of clearing speed.
His value lowers for each character that doesn't scale on atk and needs less restriction from circle area. However, his value also increases for each character that scales off atk that has snapshot mechanics like xiangling and fischl. What if they release a sword with extremely high base atk (maybe 1k)? My 1111 + noblesse buff becomes 1.5k atk. With c6, and natlan (pyro focused nation) coming up i think he will gain back relevance there again.
I think you forgot to mention 2 important points: 1 - While he applies pyro to you can be negative, in some cases it can be really positive (Kazuha) 2 - One of the reasons he is falling is the fact few characters snapshot now, even for Childe teams if you need to run from the circle its ok, you are losing some of Childe damage, but you already got his burst and Xianling already snapshotted.
I feel like Benny is facing the same destiny as Venti, which is that they were so op at one point that Hyv purposefully have to indirectly nerf them, making enemies that take advantage of the one weakness that those characters have (like not being able to group big enemies or being infused with pyro so enemies can oneshot you thanks to reactions) and make them appear more and more often in the latest abyss rotations so that they become "unusable" (you can still use them, but they will feel wonky at times). Besides all that they also made Furina which gives you an even higher DMG boost + her elemental skill deals a lot of damage and also it applies hydro which makes her more valuable and versatile than him depending on the scenario. He's still amazing, don't get me wrong, but now he has issues that make him lowkey unusable which sucks to say the least
Honestly, I disagree. My initial impression, after seeing the title and thumbnail, reminded me of the same discourse that happened in Sumeru about Bennett's "fall off". Theoretically, back then it made some "sense", but ended up dying down as it wasn't true, at all. Now, in Fontaine, more then ever, it's not true. After watching, the points being made aren't really enough to say he got "worse". Every floor 12 of Fontaine's spiral abyss has been in favor of Bennett heavily. On at least one half, if not both for a majority of them. Bennett has only gotten better, objectively speaking, as he's becoming even more necessary for newer units. The only exception(s) you can point at, is Neuvillette/Charlotte. Any other other character released in 4.x, so far, can make use of him exceptionally well. Bennett's pyro aura is more of a double-edged sword, than a strict downside. It effectively acts as a cleanse against any pre-existing aura, which is more useful then you'd think. While, some attacks will do more damage to you, it's not like those wouldn't have already almost killed you anyways a lot of time. Taking full on hits from a lvl100 Tulpa or mutliple quick hits from lvl100 Ice Suite, will take a huge chunk of your hp regardless of pyro aura However, more often then not, Bennett's heal will save you, as that's it's purpose. The reason people are finding some struggles with the current 4.5 Aliens on 12-1, is actually the abyss mage's "Smoldering Flame" aura. Abyss 4.4 and 4.1 had Aliens that were easily dispatched, no problem. While, in 4.2, they were a bit more difficult, but mostly because the abyss herald was present alongside them. In general they just do a lot of damage, and Bennett's heal helps more then harms in that situation. From your own tierlist section, how did you look at it and say he's gotten worse..? There are even some characters in the "Benefits from" tier that are just odd, such as Xiao, Eula, and even Hutao, which can perform better with Bennett in actual tested gameplay runs, which a spreadsheet probably won't be able to relay, unfortunately. Also, again the CN popularity poll doesn't hold much weight at all, as even in the region where Mihoyo attempted to phase him out, he still reigned supreme. He isn't a character you stop using for optimal runs, you stop using him when you've become bored. There are more "options" now, suboptimal in practice, but good overall. Players are becoming tired of using him consistently, we're 5 regions in, and people are tired. They don't want to submit even more Bennett teams, when they can submit more flashy new characters(mostly Neuvillete or funny Plunge Bird). Even then, he still manages to reach the top 10 on the cn user submitted popularity/usage poll. If this was a video primarily outlining Bennett's dominance(ex. "Why It's Always Bennett"), and how a 5-Star Bennett should definitely be on it's way sooner than later, I would be on board. However, a video about him getting worse, in 4.5, especially when we know what's coming in 4.6, just isn't true, and feels like a reach.
I'm hoping the pyro archon ends up being an upgraded version of Bennet with a field that follows you around which can make Navia and other close range attack scaling characters feel a lot better (potentially Arlecchino as well), but without the healing similar to Tingyun from Star Rail
The only way to powercreep both Xiangling and Bennett is if Pyro Archon will combine both of properties: Off-field DMG with shapshot & no ICD, huge ATK buff without any circles to entire team and finally... Massive AoE healing, which won't rely on burst, but on skill cast instead. Which will have a Marvellous synergy with Furina. Just imagine the 4 Female Archons HyperBurgeon team...
Not quite the only way to powercreep both. Another way would be to have two new characters that each powercreep either XL or Bennie... ;-) (and I don't offer this correction just to be a punk--I think we'll actually see it in Natlan).
Bro I need one more off field Pyro... Bennett benched? Sure maybe I'm xiao main with FFXX team..but xiangling will stay for a long time even with second off field Pyro ... They have to make TWO more off field Pyro to make xiangling irrelevant actually .one isn't enough
I think this is hoyo making up for the fact that people said the og 4 stars are op Now he doesn’t feel so op since some teams really don’t want him on it and I see people using Xingqiu much less these days
bennet being less meta even if it's just a small bit is so refreshing for the game because it really allows you to try and for Hoyo to try a bunch of new team comps instead of building characters and comps around bennet. can't wait to see what future pyro supports do
its bound to happen as the game releases more niche supports that fit better in their teams such as gorou in mono itto team but i think with the release of furina bennet finally got a match for a universal support specially cuz she wants a better healer than bennet kazuha is also universal but he generally gets paired with bennet so he kinda enhanced him not made him worse specially cuz you can keep enemies grouped in the circle the circle and the self pyro application are his biggest weakness right now imo but he still manages to stay in the meta cuz fontaine characters have insane scaling compared to previous characters
I think we are definitely getting an atk buffer soon cause there’s alot of new weapons that have high base atk. Pyro archon will for sure be a buffer for atk and at the same time a sub dps like XL
I'd argue that Dehya also has better options than Benny. People are just fixated on making her hits bigger, and with her low base numbers, she needs a lot of help for that. Even then, her mobility, her auto-movement/targeting in her burst, makes Benny bad for her. With every off-field damage option we get that does play nice with Dehya's burst, it makes less sense trying to force her into being a DPS over just letting the off-fielders do the damage themselves. And I think another aspect worth noting is Kazuha and how he ties to Benny. Like the Navia situation. Since she's geo, she doesn't benefit as much from an anemo. That makes Circle Impact that much more limiting, since that means you have to go to enemies, rather than having the ability to bring them to you. So Benny has a lot of his value tied to Kaz for non-ranged characters. Which means Benny, like Furina, tends to need two team spots.
The problem with all of the other four star supports is that they all need c6 to surpass Bennett. Faruzan without c6, Sara without c6, Mika without c6, Gorou without c6, all do a worse job at being buffers. You could make an argument that Chevreuse is decent enough without c6, but even in her teams with Fischl and Xiangling, Bennett still works really well there because both Fischl and Xiangling can snapshot his burst.
Agree, 4* buffer that we get other than bennet.. mostly need high cons.. quite a stat investment. Bennet just stick high base att weapon, er requirements are also low because of his ascension stat. Hoyo also seem dont want to give us any snapshot skill or burst.. because how stonk it is.. like xiangling. No ICD, snapshot. Wut a formula 🤣. Fontaine also bring hp scaling char, and att scalings char like navia already got high att stat. Which diminish benny value.
I've been thinking the same for a long time now, probably since halfway through the Inazuma patches tbh, although I think it became very clear to me when dendro and teams that don't rely on multiplicative reactions to compete released. He went from a must include in every team to being either one of the options for a lot of units or just not doing anything for them for others. And I do think that's a good thing, getting units that do similar things but better for certain teams/content, having options in your drafting, not being pigeonholed to this one unit which both halves of your abyss teams need to clear.
Bennett "becoming worse" only means he ceases to be oppressively good and becomes more in line with the rest of the good supports. And maybe people will finally stop following the "C6 Bennet bad" misinfo when he won't be seen as "be all end all" support. It's good that he's pushed into more specific role. I mean, he still hard carries entire Pyro element. No Pyro DPS except Hu Tao leaves home without him in the team. I wonder how will he work with Natlan roster, as it can very well go both ways. I kinda need to disagree on "circle is not a problem for ranged damage dealers because they deal their damage from distance" argument though. Pretty much every ranged on-field dps who wants Bennett defaults to also using Xiangling. So you still have to remain rather close to the enemies. Xiangling-less options are usually significantly behind in damage output.
Yanfei and Yoimiya don't want Xiangling messing up the hydro aura, he clearly referred to characters like these and mentioned some of them. Monopyro is worse than vape for all of them.
and now i think there is a team where you can use bennet with Hutao somewhere but i forgor what is, as person that offten use Hutao man....... i love my double hydro team for Hutao more than anything other team for her.
@@Kindi001You could always use Bennett with Hu Tao, the boy is so cracked that despite the anti-synergy healing he's always been a cracked support for her.
I thought about building Bennet for Wanderer when I got him in 3.8 but I gave up, since I enjoy moving around with Scara. And yeah, not needing Bennet for the abyss nowadays feels nice
Enemy placements in the abyss have also been a huge nerf. Having to still use Xiao with Bennett because I lost 50/50 on Xianyun is making me LAMENT all over the place (also C5 Faruzan why couldn't I get one more ffs)
@@georgemacdonald8667c2 furina can max out fanfare with just proto amber. Bringing team healer is overkill at that point and you would rather kill enemies faster than having to worry about defence
I don't want bennett powercreep i want xiangling powercreep. Bennet is kind of balanced with his circle. A xiangling without snapshot would be better for the game.
@@AstralixLumenborgi realized that when I felt the need of two off field Pyro applicator today in the abyss but i realized there's only one xiangling 😢
@AstralixLumenborg Yup. Having to use the same 2 base pyro units for off field app since 1.0 is getting old. Who'd have thought xq,xl and benny would still be the premier supports for a lot of teams in 4.5 lol. I'd love sidegrades of them, at least. Don't need powecreep
I’m praying the pyro archon to be a atk buffer (through the burst) for entire team while having a off-field dmg, think of her as furina but atk buff (the closest as kit), her buff is lower than bennett’s (at first glance) but since it’s for the entire team it results into much higher dpr, the skill deals high dmg again just like furina and does get affected by her atk buff. as for bennett he’ll only be used for quick single shot scenarios or when only 1 character can use his buff in the team
@@exiledkenkaneki701 off-fielders/supports tend to have high longevity value, and best examples are XL and bennett being day 1 character, yet still being use.
@@Nesteayy um hutao is old af now, and many people simply haven't used her for a while except her mains, arlechchino is a gray area rn with people literally confused about the changes, were need variety of Pyro dps and dps in generals with different weapons, we don't have variety
@@W-H98 Bennet has value but he isn't fun to use at all, that's the whole complain about circle impact, nobody uses Bennet unironicaly to explore overworld and use him as dps and actually have fun except a rare minority, I'm simply talking about variety and fun factor
do u think it'd be interesting to theorycraft ideal characters for some weapons? For example how Summit Shaper would need some type of sword wielding geo xiao, or any character that needs a lot of attack but wouldn't want to rely on bennett, also maybe getting a lot of crit value from something like marechausse, ascension, passives, etc. Another example would be how White Tassel would become overpowered if we get an HP scaling normal attack polerarm user. I just want to know what kind of characters to look out for in the future that could make some currently underwhelming weapons more viable
Ain't no way, I didn't think people actually played Navia double Electro. I mean I do, but I thought it was uncommon, to see a theorycrafter play it is based af
Another comfier Benny would be nice, I have a navia and Raiden team, so at this current moment I can’t run them together due to lack of Bennet, I just run my third team which is double hydro hutao 😅
I don't think he's going away any time soon, not until we get a better option. Furina might have taken his spot on some teams, but she can still use him very well, especially if you get her C2.
Though as far as C2 Furina goes, she tends to be powerful enough that you can easily clear the content without Benny. And since he doesn't heal the off-fielders, they're also more at risk the moment they come at one. So, at which point, why use him if you can get a more enjoyable experience with another character? Basically, some people will avoid using Benny for the same reason they use Zhongli. It's just comfier.
@@Axterix13 They wouldn't be at risk if you built him right. The majority of the community still thinks that using anything but Noblesse on him is some sort of blasphemy and builds some goofy, worthless 50/100 ratios, which result in insufficient healing and ER. That's the prime source of all the disinformation. Consider going Maiden, it will do you wonders when paired with Furina's passive.
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Bennett. I try to play Faruzan. My Bennett buffs better. I try to play to Kokomi. My Bennett heals better. I try to play Raiden. My Bennett batteries better. I want to play Xiangling. Her only teams have Bennet. I try to play Raiden, Childe. They both want Bennett.
Faruzan’s buffs are just better than bennett for anemo hypercarries. Where did you get that from? Raiden can play without bennett now. Sara/Chev/Xiangling. It’s worse than with bennett but it’s not bad
Am I the only one who doesn't see the problem of circle impact with bennett ? The waves spawn close to each other anyway Maybe for floor 11 and before but who cares about that The pyro aura thing yeah .. that is a real issue (sometimes usefull though) Maybe the buff duration and CD is a thing that can get better but it's still good
There are of course circle impact players: I play Sucrose National and Bennett/Xiangling/Ayato if the Abyss favours pyro damage, so you can say I tolerate it. There are also enough waifu Rosaria mains who also have circle impact. I like learning enemy movement patterns because it’s satisfying to bait enemies into a trap or do a perfect dodge. I think of Circle Impact like using a limited mine or grenade - you don’t use those without first thinking what the chances are the enemy is going to be in the blast. Given the thumbnail, the crowd’s going to be biased here 😊
Raiden is one of the characters I don't mind playing with Bennett (at least in Rational) because you only really need the buff for the first slash, so leaving the field is not a big loss since most of the damage is coming from Xiangling and Xingqiu anyway. But I'd love to play melt Ganyu without Bennett, so my main hope is the pyro archon fitting the role.
I don't think raiden will get a realistic replacement to bennett unless it's a full national team replacement. Raiden national is so ridiculously good, and bennett reliant, that its hard to argue she can have anything better. You're stuck in a circle, but with her burst armor amd Bennett healing, you will not die or be forced from the circle, face tanking basically everything in the game
Two quick things: 1. You left out Ayato 2. You didn't include Yunjin who is often an alternative to Bennett for Yoimiya and Ayato (and Wanderer to a much lesser extent)
YunJin is a horrible, horrible, terrible unit for Ayato. Anyone who thinks they’re actually a decent pairing is straight up wrong. Stop pairing them together for the love of god.
@@mishkaxp8 Wasn't C6 Yunjin slightly better than Bennett for Yoimiya? I agree that her C6 is a lot to ask, but even at C0 her being horrible seems a bit like an overstatement
@@mishkaxp8Not with Yoimiya though. Yoimiya still benefits from the normal atk buff and her cons also help with that. She’s not terrible and actually close/similar in terms of value for Yoimiya. Though I do have to agree that Yun Jin relatively bad for Ayato realistically.
@@mishkaxp8 yun jin overall kinda meh for ayato especially if you bring xiangling and kazuha along, benny is the clear cut choice here. But her buff for yoimiya is quite good, its actually competitive with benny. She has the advantage of having the buff rely on her total stat from artifacts, different from benny who depends on what weapon you have on him. Being freed from circle impact is also a huge w, + the c6 might give yoimiya an extra hit or two which is overall more damage. And unlike ayato, yoimiya is mostly a boss killer so she has no problem with the 30 trigger quota, yoimiya usually have like around 22 hits per skill (including yunjin c6 effect). Shes definitely a good alternative for yoimiya especially if you have john lee and want benny on the other team
Bennett may be loosing his utility because of multiple factors, but I love how his c6 enables some very strong teams. I can clear floor 12 with my Xinyan on ether side, doing one and a half or two rotations per chamber, because Bennett gives pyro infusion for vape plunge, and that just makes me really happy
finally, after all this time, somebody has the courage for a more realistic look at benny with increasingly more difficult opponent lineups that are not just sandbags
I've been wondering for a while if they weren't planning to powercreep him in Natlan. He is a 4 star after all so it will be not a big deal if a limited 5 star powercreep a 4 star. I say this because of the fact that they create enemies that make him annoying to play it can be to sales a new characters. Maybe I am wrong, I can't be sure about that.
i think that adding kazuha as a teammate for bennet in almost every team makes him reliable, ignoring the fact that opponents have to stay in the circle as they are locked by kazuha. Just think of Raiden-Sara-Kazuha-Bennet: works well against bosses, works well with different waves of enemies and also with enemies that are far apart. So i don't think that bennet's getting powercrept, just that the newer main dpses don't really need him (neuv and alhaitem)
I find it quite funny that non-atk scalers are becoming the norm lately and their skills generally cannot be snapshotted. This is all because of how strong Bennett is probably. If they release an atk scaler then, Bennett is always one of their best teammates.
And even then, Furina's become much more of a better support than Bennett in ANY team that needs hydro. Furina + Teamwide Healer + Any goddamn hypercarry = Big numbers that are probably much more compared to what Bennett gives.
I would be glad if that was the case. I like to play characters that I like from their story / personality. And I don't really like Bennett. So every time when there's a new cool character I wanna play, and I look for possible team combinations that could be fun - I always see Bennett. And it's annoying. I get it that characters that buff your team are always going to be useful but seeing it is just one and the only character over and over again kind of makes one dislike that character even more. It's interesting hearing in the video again that Bennett should be the best team member for Navia, because she is now my favorite character and I always play her. She made me go from World Level 5 to 8 (after holding back for 2 years) and I finally attempt Floor 12 in the Abyss again, knowing that I have at least one good character with her, that meets the required stats no matter what. And I'm super happy with the team Navia, Zhongli, Barbara, Yelan that I figured out for her. No Bennett needed, energy regeneration is great, damage output is great too. If there's enemies with lots of freeze, which will get annoying, I technically have the option to switch to 2 cryo or 2 electro characters, which feels a little less fun to play, but still works out.
Yea bennett is still very good but he will get even better with Natlan. Usually a region/element follows this pattern, there are exceptions but the majority fits this. Sumeru/Dendro was about EM Fontaine/Hydro is about HP And Natlan will be prob about ATK So my guess is that most Natlan characters will love having a bennett in their teams. And Cryo/Snezhnaya will be about crit.
I don't follow the idea that all characters of a particular element improve with their region. Quite the opposite. More new characters of that element means more competition and more power-creep. Is Kokomi or Xingqiu or Barbara or Childe or Ayato or Mona better now that Fontaine is out? No, they're comparatively either worse or at least less required than they were.
Where did i say that? Those characters u mention dont buff HP, many fontaine characters work with HP manipulation. Natlan wont make yoimiya or hutao stronger. But it will make bennett be more relevant again bcs he buffs ATK. His element could be electro, doesnt matter. That he buffs ATK will make him good in Natlan. @@georgemacdonald8667
I wouldn’t necessarily say he got “ worse “ but rather there are more options / teams that don’t need him. Sumeru meta for example didn’t rly need benny nor kazuha to thrive however it shifted to nahida now in Fontaine characters like Navia and wrio enjoy benny so yeah. What ppl forget is that benny is a four star that is also on the shop plus can run on high base atk swords and pretty much simple builds and gets better with cons and gives you a huge atk buff plus his pyro circle allows for some stuff with kauzha etc. benny definitely got a break but i don’t think he’s a bad unit.
So it's not that Bennett is getting worse per say. It's that people would just rather not use him be it out of boredom, convenience, or because he genuinely isn't the best Support for [insert character here] anymore because a new specialized Support is better for them. Bennett is slowly becoming a Jack of All Trades style of Support character - he works for almost everyone, but he's no longer the best for everyone. All in all, he's still an SS-Tier character imo, but he is no longer the undisputed best 4★ character in the game. tl;dr • Specialized supports are becoming extremely good at their niche. • Main DPS characters are becoming less reliant on raw ATK boosts. • People are tired of playing Circle Impact on multi-wave floors in the Abyss.
i would unironically take a worse version of bennet that buffs less and doesnt heal if it meant not playing circle impact, pyro archon or xbalanque save us, please one of you be bennet powercreep.
You got the points. Especially the pyro self application one😢 I haven’t use Bennett much nowadays because of how he make me fck up with new enemies, considering atk scaler DPSes are very squishy in the first place.
Tbf, benneth reach all type of team. He has the famous national team and its dozens variant, he has burgeon team when use with razor, he's a strong option still in most of hyper carry team (hyper hayato, hyper raiden, most of geo team, " mono " team, overlead, etc).
This time I don’t really agree with you. The thing is that teams that don’t use Bennett right now are dominating more than ever like Neuvillette or multiple Dendro teams. That reflects in the usage rates you mentioned. But this doesn’t really change that Bennett is still the BiS or among the best supports for any attack scaling characters. Though they gave us a few alternatives I don’t think that Bennett has „fallen off“ but rather they gave us alternatives to situations where Bennett has some drawbacks (circle, self Pyro). Recent characters also definitely benefit a lot from him (Lyney, Navia and so on). We also have to consider that Bennett requires almost no investment in terms of artefacts and constellations which makes him a lot more accessible than some 5 Star options.
Well I didn't say he fell off, I said his ease of use got worse + meta diversification in terms of scaling stats + better supports in specific niches come out. I believe we're thinking the same stuff.
@@TheGenshinScientist Yeah I reflected it a bit, we mean the same thing😅. Bennett hasn’t gotten worse but the characters around him have gotten better than before. Though I do want to emphasise that Bennett still has that accessibility thing going for him, a lot of new players first option in terms of buffing is still Bennett because he shows up frequently in banners and in the shop.
You said it the best. turns out become very thick skin and have the courage made video topic about HU TAO with other pyro dps make you basicaly immune from other player or content farming GI drama "creator" attacking you make you one of the reliable GI creator.
Can you also make a video about Xiangling and Xingqiu? Would be interesting to see how the first 3 meta OP 4*s are doing now. Xingqiu obviously still has relevance, Xiangling has fallen off a little, but I'd like to see you go into the nitty gritty of why that is, like this video
My best pyro dps team Furina Xianyun Bennet + 4th slot(Xiangling/Diluc/Hutao/Yanfei/Klee/Gaming). Waiting for another pyro buffer (maybe pyro archon) to replace the 4th slot.😊
I think eventually devs will release 740ATK 5* sword (like "Crane's Echoing Call" catalyst and "Calamity Queller" spear) and our Bennet will shine even brighter.
Even if teams specialize more and Bennett is replaced by comfier or stronger supports, he has value and easy of access going for him. Even if he is not the best option in every time, he still works well in 50% of teams in the game, groups together healing and buffing and is accessible through the shop. Building him is a no-brainer option because he works everywhere. Especially with abyss often invalidating some teams with elemental checks, building specialized supports isn't as valuable as building a flexible and accessible unit. How strong Xiangling is and in how many teams she is needed also makes him almost necessary in all those teams. I think he is still absolutely a main-stay until they dare to come close to powercreeping him.
Hmm idk im kinda new ,3.7, and bennet is still one of my most used characters. I dont have furina tho, so that may influence it. But the thing with his "circle impact"concerns i very much feel , especially when using my raiden. Overall tho i still find him more comfy than my other healers(barbara,kuki,yaoyao) and i always run some national varient team, so i dont see myself replacing him any time soon.
I'm the opposite. Started 4.1 and built Bennett quickly because everyone said he was essential (got him in my Noelle banner pulls). Mine is almost 90 now with decent artis/talents/and weapon and I never, ever find myself using him on my abyss clears or overworld teams.
@@georgemacdonald8667 oh he is by no means necessary, infact even tho im a 3.7 joiner i didnt get my first copy until 4.0 when he was a free event character. With the introduction of dendro and more damage buffing options i agree his value has decreased and will continue to do so, but i dont think he will completly disappear as many people like the dps's he works well with like childe. Its also nice he is a 4 star whic his great for f2p players like me. Also for overworld i rarely use him as well, hyperbloom is just so comfy there haha
He is good,don't listen to RUclipsrs. Bennett is always needed whenever a Atk scaler is released. And no-one can claim that there would be no strong atk scaler dps in future.
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I just find it funny how much stuff needed to happen to get to this point:
- Enemies with powerful hydro and cryo attacks
- Entire sets of characters who want zero ATK stat
- Enemy movement patterns almost exactly the diameter of Bennett’s circle so that they jump out of it if you bursted with Bennett right in front of them instead of offset with them. It’s really noticeable if you try to keep a Fontaine Mek inside Collei’s burst radius which is even smaller than Bennett’s.
- All the buff gimmicks at 50% or 80% HP so that Bennett’s 70% HP heal does not easily trigger the buff
Don't forget that Hoyoverse also had to make a lot of characters not snapshot. It isn't coincidence that the lack of this, something generally added so that DoT characters don't fall behind their instant damage counterparts, is something that many characters started to be without once it was clear Benny was a problem to game balance.
@@Axterix13the no snapshot thing isn’t as bad because Hoyo is typically giving DoT characters higher scalings now to compensate or allowing characters to increase their damage significantly mid rotation.
For example, chiori in a geo team, has scalings on par with the better sub dps in the game. If she did snapshot she may have lost that, and worse, she’d compete with ito for gorou’s 9 seconds of buff time. Ito burst is already 12 seconds, giving him 75% uptime of gorou buff at peak gameplay. Chiori not snap shotting means she will just obtain gorou’s passive buffing immediately when he casts his burst mid rotation
All that, and he's still one of the best characters, too. Crazy.
You're not a real Hydro main if you hate dendro, and if you don't main Hydro, you know nothing about meta.
The roster keeps expanding in a way that Benny also becomes a "niche Pyro" support...
Out of the 4 onfielders released in Fontaine, 3 run teams with bennet. Playing within a circle sucks, but until we get 5* replacement, he's not going away.
Murata but it’s highly likely she’s gonna be a dps
Out of all inazuma sumeru dps only 4 run him..7 doesnt.....and its technicly 3 because chev is now with raiden
@@thebetterelitenerd considering the ammount of pyro dps we have and the archons being mainly universal supports, i think she wont be another pyro dps, even if shes called god of war
Circle impact is not fun, and boring
@@nexuhs. I hope so
It's so thematic for Benny that his Pyro application on your active character gets you one-shot. He is truly unlucky.
Although the same pyro app on your on fielder, is the reason many of kazuha double swirl set ups work.
The self-aura is a double-edged sword, but overall, I think it's a plus. It enables not only Kazuha Double-Swirl setups, but also Sunfire, which is great for forward vape teams. And it also clears other auras from you, which can have a more negative effect in some cases. He is the only one who can do this, which makes him unique.
Jean can swirl elements off you which you mentioned for sunfire then forgot that it works for every element. Also pretty sure other effects like Barbara's skill that applies hydro can remove their reaction elements like pyro. Bennett's self pyro is just a basic reaction not a special effect.
its helped u not to get frozen in old model of spiral abyss
but community raged at those mechanics being too hard
so they removed cleansing mechanics needs
Anyone who has not c6 Bennett yet (I did in 1.0) just quit the game already
Venti and Bennett so far are the only characters that were so strong that Hoyo is deliberately making content to try and nerf them.
with venti they are afraid of Ganyu&Ayaka morgana, with Benny they are afraid of national team and its dozens varian. For now they are able to kill Morgana, wonder how they gonna kill national.
@@rifarira9160 Well national works because of Bennett lol, so if he is nerfed against a content so is national.
Bro gave up on doing arlecchino guide and went back to the good old bouken da bouken
The Bennett era ended, but the Bennett C6 era began.
yes, my Bennett always and has been a DPS
Plunge C6 Bennett with Mistsplitter is a Beast... as long as he's in his circle of course
The pyro archon either becomes our 37th onfield pyro character, or she powercreeps bennett or xiangling. And every single endgame player wants Circle Impact to die in a fire. I think it's a pretty safe guess that she's gonna give teamwide ATK but have no healing, infusion or small annoying circles to stay inside of.
No... I think she should be an AoE healer as well.
If the pyro archon powercreeps Bennett then people are going to use them in the same team. This is axactly what happened with Xingqiu and Yelan.
@@purp1e200fr,people gonna stack their buffs together
if shes not onfield. i wish she applies consistent pyro within a circle that follow her even if her damage is dehya like
@purp1e200 this will just be worse because it will be too much diminishing returns for what it's worth so eh
He went from Godlike to amazing, gotcha
He won't go anywhere even if hoyo releases a 5star version of him. The reason is that he is so easy to build and his power spike is on c1 which is pretty early. Also abyss usage rates depend a lot on which characters are better against some specific enemies so having Bennett's usage rate drop for one abyss cycle doesn't tell us the whole story (ex. neuvilette can obliterate anything on this abyss so his usage rate goes up but he is not compatible with Bennett so Bennett's usage rate drops).
If they release new atk buffer that are stronger than him but don't allow their buffs to stack. They might have a way to kill his usage a lot. Still he will always be an easy to get 4* so he will always have that upside.
good point
Easy solution just don't use him
“He won’t go anywhere”
Let me ask: why won’t Hoyo make new characters that can rival him? Like I imagine a company would want to release new characters people would wanna pull on despite him being used all the time? Like what’s the point of making new characters if people gonna still use the old?
@@InTheEnd75 because even if hoyo makes new characters like him they probably won't be as accessible as him and they surely won't be as easy to build as him. He requires minimal investment and brings maximum value equal to a lot of five stars. This combination won't be recreated by the stingy hoyo.
For us XiaoMains, it's a dream, playing without his damn circle is amazing! Bennett for us, IS DEAD! No circle impact, no hit kills! All Hail for Xiao, Furina, Faruzan and Xianyun!
I pray so we get a new pyro ATK buffer, my Wanderer is done playing circle impact 😭😭😭
@@sylphredo Wait isn’t Wanderer has super high range? 🗿
@@manday2267 there are some situational problems in practice.
If you don't place the burst near the center of the room, you might end up being too far from the next wave. His range is about the radius of the abyss room.
It also prevents you from kiting sideways and manipulating enemy ai in certain ways.
Wanderer is probably the least affected by Bennet’s circle restriction, but not having that restriction would be better for him too. It would also allow him to better kite the enemies in shield-less teams, using his mobility and the A4 dashes to avoid damage.
Bennett is still part of xiao's second BiS team, and most people don't have his premium team. So, xiao mains haven't truly escaped Bennett
The only reason Bennet is getting "worse" is because they realized their mistake making a 4 star give the highest attack buff in the game so they made newer characters not rely on him to deal a lot of damage. I still love bennet tho and my wanderer does too.
New 4star are so bad that bennet is like 5star in comparison he has good uptime 200er+ and cheap to build no need for 5star wep
Who said it was a mistake? Maybe they always knew how to counter him and shift the meta away from him all along so they made him look "broken" at the beginning.
@@nathipyrhmn5984 I said it was a mistake because Bennet for the longest time was the best support in the game and most of the 4 stars they released after that paled in comparison. It literally doesn't make any sense for them to make Bennet like that if they already knew how to counter him in the first place. What kind of developer intentionally makes a character fall off after 3 years when it's blatantly obvious that numerous teams rely on him to do most of their damage. That just doesn't make any sense.
@@kendallmerchant9903 Idk, maybe Venti was also a mistake and surely not something intended right? Maybe ending freeze era was also not intended right? Maybe that has nothing to do with their intention to sell newer units and push newer comps right?
100% attack buff, pyro infusion both weapon and self and rapid healing are developer mistake 🙃
he's still in the best team for like most of the new dps characters this past year
Have u watched the video?
hes not either the best option, or confortable to play. Just look at arlechinno, his healing is wasted on that team
@@TheGenshinScientist yep of course watched the whole vid. you say at 7:30 "bennett is becoming more niche", but most recent dpses still use him. the circle impact thing and extra dmg from reactions thing is definitely valid, but it's more of an annoyance players have to work around rather than actually affecting his strength. as for the usage rate thing, I believe usage rates atm are heavily affected by neuvillette, who doesn't use bennett. there's no coincidence that all of neuvillettes popular teammates are at the top. DRAGON OP
@jamiekb9v I asked u if you watched the video because I kind of went over all the fontaine chars that use bennett and how they can improve without bennett (for navia and wrio) in the future, thanks to more flexibility and better scaling with their signatures
Annoyance = nerf in strength to me. This is true for carries and it's true for supports. The same way we penalize characters with bad flaws (Hu Tao) and favor ones that have great playstyle advantages (Neuvillette) in terms of power level, I don't see why the same doesn't apply to Bennett. Sure, in the speedrun/tc context where you retry many times to get the best scenario/assume full buffs uptime, he's godly, but that's not super consistent to me anymore.
@@TheGenshinScientist yeah but the thing is, player have no other choice, even when you try anything else, you wont always sacrifice one of your main dps to play with another just to have less results than a bennett circle impacted team. So players will always be affected with bennett curse so long their dps are atk scalers
Me in 2.X: WHY CAN'T I HAVE BENNY ON BOTH SIDES?!
Me in 4.X: Who's Bennett? 😂
For real it feels like every move Hoyo has made since 3.0 has been carefully crafted to make Bennett less valuable or harder to play. Doesn't work with Dendro (except burn-melt), doesn't buff HP scaling carries, doesn't teamwide heal for Furina, etc. I almost never use him any more. I know I have at least once since 4.0 cause I remember being melted by Coppelius' ice blades in abyss. But it's probably only once or twice. I used to like characters who didn't need Bennett since there was only one of him, nowadays I like them because it means he can stay benched.
I have been playing without Bennett since Dendro's introduction. So I guess 3.X is: Bennett is okay, I don't need him tho.
@@tsuwu5260 I looked through my clear history over the last year and saw he showed up about half the time prior to 4.0, but only once since lol. Double dendro teams was the shit in 3.X tho.
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I mean you have Wriothesley, Navia and Lyney who use Bennett in their teams. Characters that work with 3 different dps's in that game are maybe archons or busted units like Kazuha.My point is that Bennett is still one of the best choices for even new units
@@kabuuj3400 One of the best choices sure. I never play my Navia with Bennett, and she's probably my strongest DPS atm. It's usually one Furina team and one Nahida team in abyss for me, and Bennett is completely optional in both.
I was never using Bennet and i am not planning to, so nothing really changeds for me. The circle restriction was one of big reasons for that. But anyway, after more than three years, it is about time, to get some better supports.
Naaah, as long someone scales with atack no one replaces our Benny-boy 👍
Pyro archon wiil kick his ass, just wait.
@@felipepoffohe is the pyro archon
@@felipepoffo inb4 she's another Pyro Main DPS.
@@felipepoffofirst of all, pyro archon might be a dps, if so she will 100% use Bennet
Second of all, even if she’s bennet 2.0, she won’t powercreep him because he’s still one of the easiest, most f2p characters in the game. Similar to xingqiu and yelan, Bennet will still be meta, maybe even better than the pyro archon
nope, he will be in a bench whe she comes out, all archons are supports at C0 and NO ONE like his fucking circle impact!@@ednatopg3074
The most annoying thing about Bennett's burst imo is the Pyro infusion, and it's particularly noticeable in this abyss in all first halves of floor 12. In chamber 1 enemies burn you with dendro, in the second they knock you around with overload, and in the last chamber Coppelia melts all the cryo attacks because of the Pyro aura. Not saying that it's impossible to do it, it's jut very annoying. BUT, is it really a bad thing that Bennett is " falling off" the meta? Imo no, because that keeps me trying new teams and not get bored
His infusion lets Kazuha easily double swirl
@@qizdonot if kazuha dies first
@@fruityTart27 don't die
@@fruityTart27 skill issue it is then
@@rifarira9160I want to see you set a double swirl up against the Fontaine ball enemies before you get burnt to death mid E animation
never used bennet with my Klee and never will, cant stand any character who makes me sit in a circle, plus he looks lame with a boring design
“Bennet is not getting worse,buffers better than bennet are starting to emerge” (AKA Furina)
Very few buffers are actually better than Bennet, it’s because dps who don’t use Bennet are starting to emerge
Not worse, nothing made him directly worse. He's just less usable for new characters, adding Bennet+Xiangling to any team is like old version of adding hyperbloom to any character to make performance much better lol.
worse as in, hes not the best option for many previous teams/there are now better options that him
Meta is defined by relative terms, not by absolute terms.
Bennett has not gotten worse in absolute terms, but he has gotten worse in relative terms.
@@nexuhs. does Faruzan get worse with each not anemo dps? Same way Bennet doesn't get worse with any hp/em/etc scaler.
@@cheezie9520 where is even mentioned word meta here? I said he got less usable (so less meta) but didn't worse. At first wdym just by word "worse"? Less meta? Direct multipliers change? Having much more often enemies that counter him?
@@guidomista5738 ????? In the video? TGS says "meta" in the second sentence of the video. The video is obviously about his place in the meta.
finally, im waiting for a better bennett that doesnt heal, would also be perfect for arlechinno
I have almost 100% it will be the Pyro archon!
but doesnt arlechinno not heal from other party members or did they change that in the beta
Pyro archon would be most likely a 70% Xiangling and 30% Benny, based on the last two playable archons. E skill is off field dmg and burst is a buff or vice versa
I never did bother building my Bennett, solely because he is too restrictive. It's not like you can't complete the Spiral Abyss without him. Even then, his circle restriction often leads to a loss of DPS unless you can group enemies together, which often means you will want Kazuha in the group, as well. Without Kazuha, he loses a lot of value in my eyes.
You are spot on on the kazuha point
sucrose exists, and you probably should use her if you don't have a anemo buffer.
@@ChAnTAxR And you know what Sucrose national has always been friggin broken, almost always on top of the all-4star speedruns beating most of the 5-star teams in terms of clearing speed.
@@ChAnTAxR As much as I love sucrose, Kazuha fits bennett so much better due to his more aggressive and consistent suction
@@Hezkun I'm not denying that, I'm just saying sucrose is also a good anemo option with Bennet if you lack kazaha.
I stopped using Bennett as soon as sumeru dropped lol
Im never going to stop using him
His value lowers for each character that doesn't scale on atk and needs less restriction from circle area.
However, his value also increases for each character that scales off atk that has snapshot mechanics like xiangling and fischl.
What if they release a sword with extremely high base atk (maybe 1k)? My 1111 + noblesse buff becomes 1.5k atk.
With c6, and natlan (pyro focused nation) coming up i think he will gain back relevance there again.
I think you forgot to mention 2 important points:
1 - While he applies pyro to you can be negative, in some cases it can be really positive (Kazuha)
2 - One of the reasons he is falling is the fact few characters snapshot now, even for Childe teams if you need to run from the circle its ok, you are losing some of Childe damage, but you already got his burst and Xianling already snapshotted.
I feel like Benny is facing the same destiny as Venti, which is that they were so op at one point that Hyv purposefully have to indirectly nerf them, making enemies that take advantage of the one weakness that those characters have (like not being able to group big enemies or being infused with pyro so enemies can oneshot you thanks to reactions) and make them appear more and more often in the latest abyss rotations so that they become "unusable" (you can still use them, but they will feel wonky at times). Besides all that they also made Furina which gives you an even higher DMG boost + her elemental skill deals a lot of damage and also it applies hydro which makes her more valuable and versatile than him depending on the scenario. He's still amazing, don't get me wrong, but now he has issues that make him lowkey unusable which sucks to say the least
Honestly, I disagree. My initial impression, after seeing the title and thumbnail, reminded me of the same discourse that happened in Sumeru about Bennett's "fall off". Theoretically, back then it made some "sense", but ended up dying down as it wasn't true, at all. Now, in Fontaine, more then ever, it's not true.
After watching, the points being made aren't really enough to say he got "worse". Every floor 12 of Fontaine's spiral abyss has been in favor of Bennett heavily. On at least one half, if not both for a majority of them. Bennett has only gotten better, objectively speaking, as he's becoming even more necessary for newer units. The only exception(s) you can point at, is Neuvillette/Charlotte. Any other other character released in 4.x, so far, can make use of him exceptionally well.
Bennett's pyro aura is more of a double-edged sword, than a strict downside. It effectively acts as a cleanse against any pre-existing aura, which is more useful then you'd think. While, some attacks will do more damage to you, it's not like those wouldn't have already almost killed you anyways a lot of time. Taking full on hits from a lvl100 Tulpa or mutliple quick hits from lvl100 Ice Suite, will take a huge chunk of your hp regardless of pyro aura However, more often then not, Bennett's heal will save you, as that's it's purpose. The reason people are finding some struggles with the current 4.5 Aliens on 12-1, is actually the abyss mage's "Smoldering Flame" aura. Abyss 4.4 and 4.1 had Aliens that were easily dispatched, no problem. While, in 4.2, they were a bit more difficult, but mostly because the abyss herald was present alongside them. In general they just do a lot of damage, and Bennett's heal helps more then harms in that situation.
From your own tierlist section, how did you look at it and say he's gotten worse..? There are even some characters in the "Benefits from" tier that are just odd, such as Xiao, Eula, and even Hutao, which can perform better with Bennett in actual tested gameplay runs, which a spreadsheet probably won't be able to relay, unfortunately. Also, again the CN popularity poll doesn't hold much weight at all, as even in the region where Mihoyo attempted to phase him out, he still reigned supreme. He isn't a character you stop using for optimal runs, you stop using him when you've become bored.
There are more "options" now, suboptimal in practice, but good overall. Players are becoming tired of using him consistently, we're 5 regions in, and people are tired. They don't want to submit even more Bennett teams, when they can submit more flashy new characters(mostly Neuvillete or funny Plunge Bird). Even then, he still manages to reach the top 10 on the cn user submitted popularity/usage poll. If this was a video primarily outlining Bennett's dominance(ex. "Why It's Always Bennett"), and how a 5-Star Bennett should definitely be on it's way sooner than later, I would be on board. However, a video about him getting worse, in 4.5, especially when we know what's coming in 4.6, just isn't true, and feels like a reach.
Agree with these points, I think TGS is trying to bank off the bennet hatred in recent arlechinno leaks reddit threads and is overexaggerating a bit.
I'm hoping the pyro archon ends up being an upgraded version of Bennet with a field that follows you around which can make Navia and other close range attack scaling characters feel a lot better (potentially Arlecchino as well), but without the healing similar to Tingyun from Star Rail
The only way to powercreep both Xiangling and Bennett is if Pyro Archon will combine both of properties: Off-field DMG with shapshot & no ICD, huge ATK buff without any circles to entire team and finally... Massive AoE healing, which won't rely on burst, but on skill cast instead. Which will have a Marvellous synergy with Furina.
Just imagine the 4 Female Archons HyperBurgeon team...
Not quite the only way to powercreep both. Another way would be to have two new characters that each powercreep either XL or Bennie... ;-) (and I don't offer this correction just to be a punk--I think we'll actually see it in Natlan).
Bro I need one more off field Pyro... Bennett benched? Sure maybe I'm xiao main with FFXX team..but xiangling will stay for a long time even with second off field Pyro ... They have to make TWO more off field Pyro to make xiangling irrelevant actually
.one isn't enough
I think it is kinda the other way around, that Bennet is so strong that all new characters have to be designed with him in mind.
I think this is hoyo making up for the fact that people said the og 4 stars are op
Now he doesn’t feel so op since some teams really don’t want him on it and I see people using Xingqiu much less these days
I have all hydro character but i use xingqiu for survival whenever there's hard hitting enemies in the abyss...
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Dam
I haven’t done the abyss since Childes first banner
bennet being less meta even if it's just a small bit is so refreshing for the game because it really allows you to try and for Hoyo to try a bunch of new team comps instead of building characters and comps around bennet. can't wait to see what future pyro supports do
you could do that but just not using bennet tho
its bound to happen as the game releases more niche supports that fit better in their teams such as gorou in mono itto team
but i think with the release of furina bennet finally got a match for a universal support specially cuz she wants a better healer than bennet
kazuha is also universal but he generally gets paired with bennet so he kinda enhanced him not made him worse specially cuz you can keep enemies grouped in the circle
the circle and the self pyro application are his biggest weakness right now imo but he still manages to stay in the meta cuz fontaine characters have insane scaling compared to previous characters
I think we are definitely getting an atk buffer soon cause there’s alot of new weapons that have high base atk. Pyro archon will for sure be a buffer for atk and at the same time a sub dps like XL
hopefully he gets powercrept in Natlan
I'd argue that Dehya also has better options than Benny. People are just fixated on making her hits bigger, and with her low base numbers, she needs a lot of help for that. Even then, her mobility, her auto-movement/targeting in her burst, makes Benny bad for her. With every off-field damage option we get that does play nice with Dehya's burst, it makes less sense trying to force her into being a DPS over just letting the off-fielders do the damage themselves.
And I think another aspect worth noting is Kazuha and how he ties to Benny. Like the Navia situation. Since she's geo, she doesn't benefit as much from an anemo. That makes Circle Impact that much more limiting, since that means you have to go to enemies, rather than having the ability to bring them to you. So Benny has a lot of his value tied to Kaz for non-ranged characters. Which means Benny, like Furina, tends to need two team spots.
The problem with all of the other four star supports is that they all need c6 to surpass Bennett. Faruzan without c6, Sara without c6, Mika without c6, Gorou without c6, all do a worse job at being buffers. You could make an argument that Chevreuse is decent enough without c6, but even in her teams with Fischl and Xiangling, Bennett still works really well there because both Fischl and Xiangling can snapshot his burst.
Agree, 4* buffer that we get other than bennet.. mostly need high cons.. quite a stat investment.
Bennet just stick high base att weapon, er requirements are also low because of his ascension stat. Hoyo also seem dont want to give us any snapshot skill or burst.. because how stonk it is.. like xiangling. No ICD, snapshot. Wut a formula 🤣.
Fontaine also bring hp scaling char, and att scalings char like navia already got high att stat. Which diminish benny value.
APRIL FOOLS RIGHT???????? IDC THAT IT RELEASED ON THE 31ST
I've been thinking the same for a long time now, probably since halfway through the Inazuma patches tbh, although I think it became very clear to me when dendro and teams that don't rely on multiplicative reactions to compete released. He went from a must include in every team to being either one of the options for a lot of units or just not doing anything for them for others. And I do think that's a good thing, getting units that do similar things but better for certain teams/content, having options in your drafting, not being pigeonholed to this one unit which both halves of your abyss teams need to clear.
Bennett main here
You never needed Bennett
He just good for Unga bonga numbers
Bennett "becoming worse" only means he ceases to be oppressively good and becomes more in line with the rest of the good supports. And maybe people will finally stop following the "C6 Bennet bad" misinfo when he won't be seen as "be all end all" support. It's good that he's pushed into more specific role. I mean, he still hard carries entire Pyro element. No Pyro DPS except Hu Tao leaves home without him in the team. I wonder how will he work with Natlan roster, as it can very well go both ways.
I kinda need to disagree on "circle is not a problem for ranged damage dealers because they deal their damage from distance" argument though. Pretty much every ranged on-field dps who wants Bennett defaults to also using Xiangling. So you still have to remain rather close to the enemies. Xiangling-less options are usually significantly behind in damage output.
Yanfei and Yoimiya don't want Xiangling messing up the hydro aura, he clearly referred to characters like these and mentioned some of them. Monopyro is worse than vape for all of them.
I think/hope that Arlecchino will leave him at home as well.
and now i think there is a team where you can use bennet with Hutao somewhere but i forgor what is, as person that offten use Hutao man....... i love my double hydro team for Hutao more than anything other team for her.
@@Kindi001You could always use Bennett with Hu Tao, the boy is so cracked that despite the anti-synergy healing he's always been a cracked support for her.
You max bennet for healing if you don’t have c2 furina and then you run hu tao Furina Yelan and bennet. I’m hitting 150k vapes everytime.
I thought about building Bennet for Wanderer when I got him in 3.8 but I gave up, since I enjoy moving around with Scara.
And yeah, not needing Bennet for the abyss nowadays feels nice
Enemy placements in the abyss have also been a huge nerf. Having to still use Xiao with Bennett because I lost 50/50 on Xianyun is making me LAMENT all over the place (also C5 Faruzan why couldn't I get one more ffs)
just use sucrose ttds + NO then
Used my life savings for C6 faruzan...my life have changed and my wallet too (joke)
bennet is a god send for c2 furina player, it synergize perfectly with attack bonus and damage bonus
A godsend only if you don't have Baizhu, Xianyun, or Jean, all of whom synergize better.
@@georgemacdonald8667c2 furina can max out fanfare with just proto amber. Bringing team healer is overkill at that point and you would rather kill enemies faster than having to worry about defence
@@pyronado4320 Actually my C6 Furina maxes out fanfare without a proto amber in the party. I never have a healer in my Fur party. :)
@@georgemacdonald8667 those are for c0 furina, this is why I mentioned c2 specifically
@@georgemacdonald8667depends on the dps, 90% of atk scaling dps characters would rather have Bennet
I don't want bennett powercreep i want xiangling powercreep. Bennet is kind of balanced with his circle. A xiangling without snapshot would be better for the game.
GOD, please. I've been longing to see another off field pyro applicator FOR AGES. I don't like Xiang Ling at all.
@@AstralixLumenborgi realized that when I felt the need of two off field Pyro applicator today in the abyss but i realized there's only one xiangling 😢
@AstralixLumenborg Yup. Having to use the same 2 base pyro units for off field app since 1.0 is getting old. Who'd have thought xq,xl and benny would still be the premier supports for a lot of teams in 4.5 lol. I'd love sidegrades of them, at least. Don't need powecreep
I’m praying the pyro archon to be a atk buffer (through the burst) for entire team while having a off-field dmg, think of her as furina but atk buff (the closest as kit), her buff is lower than bennett’s (at first glance) but since it’s for the entire team it results into much higher dpr, the skill deals high dmg again just like furina and does get affected by her atk buff.
as for bennett he’ll only be used for quick single shot scenarios or when only 1 character can use his buff in the team
Would love if she's a proper strong dps cause supports have been getting way to many, and they aren't fun
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Pls No we have 2 super strong and cool Pyro dps with arlecchino and hu tao
We News more Pyro Supports
@@exiledkenkaneki701 off-fielders/supports tend to have high longevity value, and best examples are XL and bennett being day 1 character, yet still being use.
@@Nesteayy um hutao is old af now, and many people simply haven't used her for a while except her mains, arlechchino is a gray area rn with people literally confused about the changes, were need variety of Pyro dps and dps in generals with different weapons, we don't have variety
@@W-H98 Bennet has value but he isn't fun to use at all, that's the whole complain about circle impact, nobody uses Bennet unironicaly to explore overworld and use him as dps and actually have fun except a rare minority, I'm simply talking about variety and fun factor
He is the true pyro archon
do u think it'd be interesting to theorycraft ideal characters for some weapons?
For example how Summit Shaper would need some type of sword wielding geo xiao, or any character that needs a lot of attack but wouldn't want to rely on bennett, also maybe getting a lot of crit value from something like marechausse, ascension, passives, etc. Another example would be how White Tassel would become overpowered if we get an HP scaling normal attack polerarm user.
I just want to know what kind of characters to look out for in the future that could make some currently underwhelming weapons more viable
imagine jade cutter on a sword hu tao
@@fish-j5q Like c6 Furina ?
Don’t get me wrong, i have bennet built, crown on burst, 5 star weapon on him and all but GOD i hate his circle with a passion… 🚶♀️
Ain't no way, I didn't think people actually played Navia double Electro. I mean I do, but I thought it was uncommon, to see a theorycrafter play it is based af
Another comfier Benny would be nice, I have a navia and Raiden team, so at this current moment I can’t run them together due to lack of Bennet, I just run my third team which is double hydro hutao 😅
My problem is
...not having a second xiangling .. 😞
I don't think he's going away any time soon, not until we get a better option. Furina might have taken his spot on some teams, but she can still use him very well, especially if you get her C2.
Though as far as C2 Furina goes, she tends to be powerful enough that you can easily clear the content without Benny. And since he doesn't heal the off-fielders, they're also more at risk the moment they come at one. So, at which point, why use him if you can get a more enjoyable experience with another character? Basically, some people will avoid using Benny for the same reason they use Zhongli. It's just comfier.
@@Axterix13 They wouldn't be at risk if you built him right. The majority of the community still thinks that using anything but Noblesse on him is some sort of blasphemy and builds some goofy, worthless 50/100 ratios, which result in insufficient healing and ER. That's the prime source of all the disinformation. Consider going Maiden, it will do you wonders when paired with Furina's passive.
That's a good thing, now most teams wont have to fight for who gets to have him
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Bennett. I try to play Faruzan. My Bennett buffs better. I try to play to Kokomi. My Bennett heals better. I try to play Raiden. My Bennett batteries better. I want to play Xiangling. Her only teams have Bennet. I try to play Raiden, Childe. They both want Bennett.
Faruzan’s buffs are just better than bennett for anemo hypercarries. Where did you get that from?
Raiden can play without bennett now. Sara/Chev/Xiangling. It’s worse than with bennett but it’s not bad
it's a copypasta
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@@emiliabaran6830 A relevant reason…
started getting into doing meta teams for abyss around end of 3.x and at some point in 4.x i was like "why am i even using bennett teams?"
Yep! Mine never finds his way onto any of my teams.
Bennett is not getting worse, it's just that now many teams function better without him.
I completely agree I have been feeling this way for a while now but it seemed like I was the only one
It's not that Bennett got worse it genshin .
Am I the only one who doesn't see the problem of circle impact with bennett ?
The waves spawn close to each other anyway
Maybe for floor 11 and before but who cares about that
The pyro aura thing yeah .. that is a real issue (sometimes usefull though)
Maybe the buff duration and CD is a thing that can get better but it's still good
There are of course circle impact players: I play Sucrose National and Bennett/Xiangling/Ayato if the Abyss favours pyro damage, so you can say I tolerate it.
There are also enough waifu Rosaria mains who also have circle impact.
I like learning enemy movement patterns because it’s satisfying to bait enemies into a trap or do a perfect dodge.
I think of Circle Impact like using a limited mine or grenade - you don’t use those without first thinking what the chances are the enemy is going to be in the blast.
Given the thumbnail, the crowd’s going to be biased here 😊
Same, I been using bennet in abyss 12 and most enemies just aggro me or stare at me. I think people are traumatized by wenut still lol.
Raiden is one of the characters I don't mind playing with Bennett (at least in Rational) because you only really need the buff for the first slash, so leaving the field is not a big loss since most of the damage is coming from Xiangling and Xingqiu anyway. But I'd love to play melt Ganyu without Bennett, so my main hope is the pyro archon fitting the role.
Benny's ult have a rather shorter CD, also like his E. So, energy management helps a lot to spam his Ult upon CD.
Idk why but Bennetts burst feels like 80 energy cost instead of 60 energy cost since Fontaine for me
I don't think raiden will get a realistic replacement to bennett unless it's a full national team replacement. Raiden national is so ridiculously good, and bennett reliant, that its hard to argue she can have anything better.
You're stuck in a circle, but with her burst armor amd Bennett healing, you will not die or be forced from the circle, face tanking basically everything in the game
I already stopped using Bennett upon Sumeru released, so kinda suprised people now just started noticing this about Bennett 😅😅😅
Two quick things:
1. You left out Ayato
2. You didn't include Yunjin who is often an alternative to Bennett for Yoimiya and Ayato (and Wanderer to a much lesser extent)
YunJin is a horrible, horrible, terrible unit for Ayato. Anyone who thinks they’re actually a decent pairing is straight up wrong. Stop pairing them together for the love of god.
yunjin is horrible for both yoimiya and especially ayato sadly, she's absolutely terrible lol
@@mishkaxp8 Wasn't C6 Yunjin slightly better than Bennett for Yoimiya?
I agree that her C6 is a lot to ask, but even at C0 her being horrible seems a bit like an overstatement
@@mishkaxp8Not with Yoimiya though. Yoimiya still benefits from the normal atk buff and her cons also help with that. She’s not terrible and actually close/similar in terms of value for Yoimiya. Though I do have to agree that Yun Jin relatively bad for Ayato realistically.
@@mishkaxp8 yun jin overall kinda meh for ayato especially if you bring xiangling and kazuha along, benny is the clear cut choice here. But her buff for yoimiya is quite good, its actually competitive with benny. She has the advantage of having the buff rely on her total stat from artifacts, different from benny who depends on what weapon you have on him. Being freed from circle impact is also a huge w, + the c6 might give yoimiya an extra hit or two which is overall more damage. And unlike ayato, yoimiya is mostly a boss killer so she has no problem with the 30 trigger quota, yoimiya usually have like around 22 hits per skill (including yunjin c6 effect). Shes definitely a good alternative for yoimiya especially if you have john lee and want benny on the other team
Bennett may be loosing his utility because of multiple factors, but I love how his c6 enables some very strong teams. I can clear floor 12 with my Xinyan on ether side, doing one and a half or two rotations per chamber, because Bennett gives pyro infusion for vape plunge, and that just makes me really happy
finally, after all this time, somebody has the courage for a more realistic look at benny with increasingly more difficult opponent lineups that are not just sandbags
I've been wondering for a while if they weren't planning to powercreep him in Natlan.
He is a 4 star after all so it will be not a big deal if a limited 5 star powercreep a 4 star.
I say this because of the fact that they create enemies that make him annoying to play it can be to sales a new characters.
Maybe I am wrong, I can't be sure about that.
Tgs releases a video saying Bennett is not always necessary.
Mihyo changes Arlecchino to make another Benny slave
i think that adding kazuha as a teammate for bennet in almost every team makes him reliable, ignoring the fact that opponents have to stay in the circle as they are locked by kazuha. Just think of Raiden-Sara-Kazuha-Bennet: works well against bosses, works well with different waves of enemies and also with enemies that are far apart. So i don't think that bennet's getting powercrept, just that the newer main dpses don't really need him (neuv and alhaitem)
Being a Lyney user he’ll never stop being used unless he get powercreep with the pyro archon
Its because some of the best Dps in the game doesnt want him
Tbh even dehya does quite well with Chevy fischl yae teams over bennet teams (with c6 chevy)
I find it quite funny that non-atk scalers are becoming the norm lately and their skills generally cannot be snapshotted. This is all because of how strong Bennett is probably. If they release an atk scaler then, Bennett is always one of their best teammates.
And even then, Furina's become much more of a better support than Bennett in ANY team that needs hydro. Furina + Teamwide Healer + Any goddamn hypercarry = Big numbers that are probably much more compared to what Bennett gives.
I would be glad if that was the case. I like to play characters that I like from their story / personality. And I don't really like Bennett. So every time when there's a new cool character I wanna play, and I look for possible team combinations that could be fun - I always see Bennett. And it's annoying. I get it that characters that buff your team are always going to be useful but seeing it is just one and the only character over and over again kind of makes one dislike that character even more.
It's interesting hearing in the video again that Bennett should be the best team member for Navia, because she is now my favorite character and I always play her. She made me go from World Level 5 to 8 (after holding back for 2 years) and I finally attempt Floor 12 in the Abyss again, knowing that I have at least one good character with her, that meets the required stats no matter what. And I'm super happy with the team Navia, Zhongli, Barbara, Yelan that I figured out for her. No Bennett needed, energy regeneration is great, damage output is great too. If there's enemies with lots of freeze, which will get annoying, I technically have the option to switch to 2 cryo or 2 electro characters, which feels a little less fun to play, but still works out.
If a character snapshots and scales off of Atk, then Bennett is still the way to go.
Yea bennett is still very good but he will get even better with Natlan. Usually a region/element follows this pattern, there are exceptions but the majority fits this.
Sumeru/Dendro was about EM
Fontaine/Hydro is about HP
And Natlan will be prob about ATK
So my guess is that most Natlan characters will love having a bennett in their teams.
And Cryo/Snezhnaya will be about crit.
I don't follow the idea that all characters of a particular element improve with their region. Quite the opposite. More new characters of that element means more competition and more power-creep. Is Kokomi or Xingqiu or Barbara or Childe or Ayato or Mona better now that Fontaine is out? No, they're comparatively either worse or at least less required than they were.
Where did i say that? Those characters u mention dont buff HP, many fontaine characters work with HP manipulation. Natlan wont make yoimiya or hutao stronger. But it will make bennett be more relevant again bcs he buffs ATK. His element could be electro, doesnt matter. That he buffs ATK will make him good in Natlan. @@georgemacdonald8667
I just play carry c6 Bennett with Xianyun..
Based
Real gigachad, Subverts the meta instead of avoiding the meta
Sounds like a skill issue to me.
Take the bait easy boy
Make players says what they want…
@@serhanmtyes,my joke reply is me taking the bait lmao.
I wouldn’t necessarily say he got “ worse “ but rather there are more options / teams that don’t need him.
Sumeru meta for example didn’t rly need benny nor kazuha to thrive however it shifted to nahida now in Fontaine characters like Navia and wrio enjoy benny so yeah. What ppl forget is that benny is a four star that is also on the shop plus can run on high base atk swords and pretty much simple builds and gets better with cons and gives you a huge atk buff plus his pyro circle allows for some stuff with kauzha etc.
benny definitely got a break but i don’t think he’s a bad unit.
So it's not that Bennett is getting worse per say. It's that people would just rather not use him be it out of boredom, convenience, or because he genuinely isn't the best Support for [insert character here] anymore because a new specialized Support is better for them. Bennett is slowly becoming a Jack of All Trades style of Support character - he works for almost everyone, but he's no longer the best for everyone. All in all, he's still an SS-Tier character imo, but he is no longer the undisputed best 4★ character in the game.
tl;dr
• Specialized supports are becoming extremely good at their niche.
• Main DPS characters are becoming less reliant on raw ATK boosts.
• People are tired of playing Circle Impact on multi-wave floors in the Abyss.
i would unironically take a worse version of bennet that buffs less and doesnt heal if it meant not playing circle impact, pyro archon or xbalanque save us, please one of you be bennet powercreep.
You got the points. Especially the pyro self application one😢
I haven’t use Bennett much nowadays because of how he make me fck up with new enemies, considering atk scaler DPSes are very squishy in the first place.
Tbf, benneth reach all type of team. He has the famous national team and its dozens variant, he has burgeon team when use with razor, he's a strong option still in most of hyper carry team (hyper hayato, hyper raiden, most of geo team, " mono " team, overlead, etc).
The only thing that can stop Bennett is HP scaling dps
This time I don’t really agree with you. The thing is that teams that don’t use Bennett right now are dominating more than ever like Neuvillette or multiple Dendro teams. That reflects in the usage rates you mentioned. But this doesn’t really change that Bennett is still the BiS or among the best supports for any attack scaling characters. Though they gave us a few alternatives I don’t think that Bennett has „fallen off“ but rather they gave us alternatives to situations where Bennett has some drawbacks (circle, self Pyro). Recent characters also definitely benefit a lot from him (Lyney, Navia and so on). We also have to consider that Bennett requires almost no investment in terms of artefacts and constellations which makes him a lot more accessible than some 5 Star options.
Well I didn't say he fell off, I said his ease of use got worse + meta diversification in terms of scaling stats + better supports in specific niches come out. I believe we're thinking the same stuff.
@@TheGenshinScientist Yeah I reflected it a bit, we mean the same thing😅. Bennett hasn’t gotten worse but the characters around him have gotten better than before. Though I do want to emphasise that Bennett still has that accessibility thing going for him, a lot of new players first option in terms of buffing is still Bennett because he shows up frequently in banners and in the shop.
haha xiangling go snapshot📈
Good. I will not have to keep throwing him off a cliff. I can rest
You said it the best. turns out become very thick skin and have the courage made video topic about HU TAO with other pyro dps make you basicaly immune from other player or content farming GI drama "creator" attacking you make you one of the reliable GI creator.
Can you also make a video about Xiangling and Xingqiu? Would be interesting to see how the first 3 meta OP 4*s are doing now. Xingqiu obviously still has relevance, Xiangling has fallen off a little, but I'd like to see you go into the nitty gritty of why that is, like this video
My best pyro dps team Furina Xianyun Bennet + 4th slot(Xiangling/Diluc/Hutao/Yanfei/Klee/Gaming). Waiting for another pyro buffer (maybe pyro archon) to replace the 4th slot.😊
not yaal comparing our Benny boy to characters like Furina and Nahida. Never beating those archon accusations I see.
On of Genshin’s best achievements is balancing the game enough to take Bennett off his thrown
That’s not balancing. That’s just introducing powercreep (cough cough Neuvillette)
and at the same time they made dendro teams and Neuv so I don't think the game is balanced
I think eventually devs will release 740ATK 5* sword (like "Crane's Echoing Call" catalyst and "Calamity Queller" spear) and our Bennet will shine even brighter.
Even if teams specialize more and Bennett is replaced by comfier or stronger supports, he has value and easy of access going for him.
Even if he is not the best option in every time, he still works well in 50% of teams in the game, groups together healing and buffing and is accessible through the shop. Building him is a no-brainer option because he works everywhere. Especially with abyss often invalidating some teams with elemental checks, building specialized supports isn't as valuable as building a flexible and accessible unit.
How strong Xiangling is and in how many teams she is needed also makes him almost necessary in all those teams.
I think he is still absolutely a main-stay until they dare to come close to powercreeping him.
Hmm idk im kinda new ,3.7, and bennet is still one of my most used characters. I dont have furina tho, so that may influence it. But the thing with his "circle impact"concerns i very much feel , especially when using my raiden. Overall tho i still find him more comfy than my other healers(barbara,kuki,yaoyao) and i always run some national varient team, so i dont see myself replacing him any time soon.
I'm the opposite. Started 4.1 and built Bennett quickly because everyone said he was essential (got him in my Noelle banner pulls). Mine is almost 90 now with decent artis/talents/and weapon and I never, ever find myself using him on my abyss clears or overworld teams.
@@georgemacdonald8667 oh he is by no means necessary, infact even tho im a 3.7 joiner i didnt get my first copy until 4.0 when he was a free event character. With the introduction of dendro and more damage buffing options i agree his value has decreased and will continue to do so, but i dont think he will completly disappear as many people like the dps's he works well with like childe. Its also nice he is a 4 star whic his great for f2p players like me. Also for overworld i rarely use him as well, hyperbloom is just so comfy there haha
so i start building him and xingling today and i find this vid lol
Nah, don't listen for what he says, this vid is pretty much a clickbait. Most of TGS takes are bad.
Bennett is as good as he ever was.
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Glad to hear that, thanks
he's incredible and 100% worth building
He is good,don't listen to RUclipsrs. Bennett is always needed whenever a Atk scaler is released. And no-one can claim that there would be no strong atk scaler dps in future.
So long as XL exists, he’s safe.