The water boards and energy companies need nationalising too. With more affordable social housing for young families and homeless people. There's too much greed and emphasis on making grotesque amounts of money for share holder putting the general public on the streets.
Labour were going to nationalise the water but because the tories crashed the economy the cupboard is bare. Truss and govt waste and overspending have added to the woe.
Changing the operator of the trains while leaving the ownership of rolling stock in private hands will achieve very little - Labour are leaving the most profitable part of rail to private companies.
@@T5Zplayer What business case? It’s a simple fact. The rolling stock leasing companies have been the most profitable rail businesses by far, and Labour isn’t planning to change that.
@@Bungle-UK If Starmer's extremists do stupidly re-nationalise it will have a knock of effect. It is not simple. The first trigger, probably, will be Unionisation on both sides who will disrupt business operations.
The Beeching act of the 1960's that carried on through several governments was a mistake and ripped up a third of our railways when the car was to be king.
@@vincentvangogh8092 Thatchers Tories were very different from the red conservatives we have at the moment, and believed in monetarism, an economic theory that no government has looked at since. The idea is to control the amount of money in circulation, reward saving and penalize borrowing (how did that work out?) Nationalized companies including rail were sold, often far too cheaply, to avoid running costs and repair and maintenance. Blair's approach was to spend the windfall this created while absolving government of ownership and creating the PFI's that are going to burn us to the ground shortly as a way of letting private companies profit from state responsibility. The terrible Tories have pretty much carried on the policy of absolving the state of responsibility, while paying their mates for everything and everything. If they had a clue or a spine they would have sacked the home office (thanks for the crap police, immigration and NHS) and actually enacted so reform or maybe a policy or too. Blair of course, like all true socialists, has enriched himself by £350 million since leaving 'politics' as draining the wealth of nations strangely aligns with certain globalist aims. Which his mates were happy to reward him for. As for us, debt bomb is in our near future, and we will likely see who owns us all.
@@vincentvangogh8092 To make sure their donors and those that will give them cushy chairmanship jobs gained heaps of money. Their stock portfolios gained also. To accelerate globalisation ie give away our national wealth to international corporations and millionaires.
Any government that tries to destroy the NHS needs kicking out of office also I’m a 73 year old pensioner with a total income of £17,000 a year and because of the freeze on tax thresholds i pretty much loose one week of my pension rise per month and apart from my one off winter payment i get no help whatsoever, I’d like to see these MPs survive on £ 17,000 a year.
Nonsense, it's not privatized. Firms don't own or control the lines, they don't control signals, scheduling, can't make capital decisions, the only they do is rent space for their cars, from Network Rail, leaving both parties not taking full responsibility for the product, it's a hybrid model.
That comment about pensioners is abhorrent... The wealth is indeed in the over 60s but that is because of a very skewed minority of over 60s that holds most of the wealth of the country. It is not the pensioners... What an awful way to use statistics.
Milk and honey with Labour, looking forward to it. I hope they won't let me down but previous Labour governments of which some I voted for do worry me with MP's lacking in experience. I remember well a nationalised railway service and the comedy of the British Rail pork pie. How much will it cost to buy out the railways?
They're not only inexperienced, they're full of soundbites and hot air, as soon as world markets become aware if they're not already, that's all she wrote.
Short memory syndrome at play. The railways have and always will be held to ransom by the unions. The poison chalice. Thank god i have my own transport.
I think it’s pretty much English rail services he’s talking about, maybe some services in Wales. Scotrail, covering all of Scotland was renationalised last year.
I remember when the trains were last under public ownership and they were awful as just like our roads there was no spending allocated the concept of privatization was primarily a good thing but was poorly thought out in a way that some lines got the cream of the crop leaving other lines poorly invested so I say we should restructure how we privatize so that all the railways benefit
Privatisation of essential services has proved not to work. Shareholders always come first, the public second. Water, gas, electric, transport, all been a disaster. None of these were perfect under public ownership but were tons better than now.
@@dec3142you obviously didn't listen to the quote. They said they praised the way she changed politics but hated everything she did. They were on about her energy and determination not her policies. The right wing media didn't publicise that bit just the praise bit.
It isn’t currently a private system. It’s a lie to say so. A private system has no government input. The inefficiency is due to government involvement and Labour wants to increase that.
@@royboy565 Any private company would fail if it is dictated to by government. If the system was fully private the taxpayer would not be footing any bills would it? The Treasury would not be incurring any risks? Giving private companies management fees is not the same as a private company that has total control and makes all of its own decisions. Keep up
@@kiriakoz Hate may win you the next GE but you will fail to govern.. Again. The left always fails. The only reason Blair was successful for two years was because he adopted Thatcher's plan. When he backtracked the rot set in.
Privatised health has failed too. Why don’t u stop that. Vat on private schools another terrible policy that will just see more pressure on our state schools
So maybe we can learn from other countries that run nationalised networks very successfully rather than trying to emulate failures of the past? Or is there something about being British that means we just can't hack it?
@@royboy565 I'm sure the French railway is just as expensive. Nothing is going to change if they become nationalised again. Fares won't be cheaper, trains won't run on time. The whole network needs investing and modernising, this won't happen due to the huge power unions have. We had the same problems when they were government run. It's a labour gimmick to draw voters in but won't change anything except higher taxes.
How good to hear a senior Labour MP that has possibly as much understanding of our railways as Mick Lynch. There is no doubt, in my mind, that the next government will be controlled by Labour and will improve life for more people - not just the ricn and priviledged.
Nor Conservative or Labour Party talk about for the people electric gas ⛽️ this Conservative has put the country 10yrs back 🙄 on average working person 😢or NHS hopefully Labour wake up
Tories have spent record sums. Employment is still higher. There is no such thing as an average working person. Still, even the thick are allowed to vote.
Since when has a member of the opposition party been responsible for the streets? I think I must have missed something here but hasn't the Tory Party been in power for the last 14 years? Therefore they and they alone should be criticised for their dereliction of THEIR duty.
Streeting is a dangerous snake oil consultant/pundit type…. Look how he squirmed when asked if people already sent to Rwanda could come back & when asked if the other Tory mp had actually joined labour….
@@T5ZplayerWes Streeting apologised on behalf of the Labour Party. Duffield said she has always valued Wes as a friend and member and have had different views on things but he never gave her concern to complain to anybody about it. It was various M P s but not Streeting try again.
If when labour win the next election and will probably rejoin the EU at some point the government will have to put train and other services out to tender under eu rules.
I see no difference whatsoever between the labour and tory establishment, other than labour is more aggressive. The last 4 years alone from the covid "pandemic" to Ukraine shows there is no difference between them
So your ideal government would not have imposed lockdowns during a pandemic and would support Putin in his invasion of Ukraine? Okay. Thanks for reminding us that however low things have descended, there's still worse that could happen if we entirely lose our marbles instead of just losing so many of them.
Nationalizing public transport and utilities will place an economic burden on the government, the public purse, that will be unsustainable and will be funded by more taxation which in turn will also be unsustainable.
Lol what a joke, look at the past and learn....things were horrible when railways were nationalized in the past. Ask your parents how dirty and horrible trains were back in the day! Also passenger numbers have risen since the railways have been privatized. Also who is going to pay for this..where is the money going to come from, higher taxes. Also fares won't be reduced as said by a fellow Labour spokesperson so what's the point of this plan exactly?
Railways in France and Germany and Italy and other countries are state-owned. They provide good services. UK government has been subsidising many railways companies anyway.
I am 63 and have travelled extensively on the railways in the UK... both before and after privatisation...Without a shadow of a doubt, the trains were cleaner, cheaper and more reliable under public ownership. For example, at the point of privatisation, I was a commuter to London from East Anglia...firstly the ticket prices went up, next the number of trains were cut...then the cleaning services were contracted out and the trains became dirtier... I have retired to Spain...and the state run trains are: clean, reliable and inexpensive...
... and while we're about it maybe we could ask our great-grandparents what it was like to go around in a horse and cart? People are profiting from a privatised network. Why shouldn't a nationalised network not only pay for itself but also add to the treasury? Other countries run nationalised networks perfectly well.
Sunny, the railways have been part of the great Tory privatisation con trick. That is, underfund an industry and run it into the ground until everyone is screaming for change then claim privatisation is the answer and now we are paying the price in so many sectors.
British Rail was privatised under John Major who justified it by talking of improved services. Privatisation has resulted in higher ticket prices, unreliable services (delays and cancellations), line closures cutting off entire communities, and greater cost to the taxpayer, calculated as £64.3 billion more than if British Rail had stayed in charge. So privatisation doesn't mean that private companies are taking the risks and rewards of ownership as they are subsidised by our taxes. Better our taxes be channelled into reinvestment in rail infrastructure and rolling stock. I remember when the railways were nationalised and the service was very good with some experts stating British Rail was the most efficient in Europe at the time. We can look to railway networks in the Far East, e.g. shinkansen in Japan, MTR in Hong Kong, etc as inspiration for a new, re-nationalised railway.
"Rolling back the years", Simply red. holding back the tears , lol did he just mention she's old? call Ali bunkle for a hip shake, yep off to the glue factory....How Rude
The PUBLIC NEED a general election & both Tory & Labour have forgotten that they are there TO SERVE.
They haven't forgotten, they just serve someone else not us
Reform, a party of drifters will serve us then 😂
Privatising all our public services / utilities has failed.
A lie
@@T5ZplayerWhere has it been a success?
@@jujutrini8412 Vodafone Et al.
GWR........could go on but suspect you lack the integrity and intelligence to debate on facts.
Nationalisation was a financial disaster...we ended up with rust-bucket, failed state industry dead on it's arse.
The water boards and energy companies need nationalising too. With more affordable social housing for young families and homeless people. There's too much greed and emphasis on making grotesque amounts of money for share holder putting the general public on the streets.
simple view of a complex problem
Get a job.
Labour were going to nationalise the water but because the tories crashed the economy the cupboard is bare. Truss and govt waste and overspending have added to the woe.
Changing the operator of the trains while leaving the ownership of rolling stock in private hands will achieve very little - Labour are leaving the most profitable part of rail to private companies.
Yes - they know this and they are hoping to fool voters into not seeing it.
Share with us the business case that supports your argument.
@@T5Zplayer What business case? It’s a simple fact. The rolling stock leasing companies have been the most profitable rail businesses by far, and Labour isn’t planning to change that.
@@Bungle-UK If Starmer's extremists do stupidly re-nationalise it will have a knock of effect. It is not simple. The first trigger, probably, will be Unionisation on both sides who will disrupt business operations.
This is an open-goal for Labour to renationalise the railways, but they then need to be better than the private system so thats the challenge.
someone talking sense for a change
Brilliant interview Wes @labourtowin
I'm fed up waiting for overpriced and overcrowded trains
The Beeching act of the 1960's that carried on through several governments was a mistake and ripped up a third of our railways when the car was to be king.
Why didn't Blair renationalise the railways?
He didn't believe in doing so.
why diid the tories privatise everything ?
@@vincentvangogh8092 Thatchers Tories were very different from the red conservatives we have at the moment, and believed in monetarism, an economic theory that no government has looked at since. The idea is to control the amount of money in circulation, reward saving and penalize borrowing (how did that work out?) Nationalized companies including rail were sold, often far too cheaply, to avoid running costs and repair and maintenance.
Blair's approach was to spend the windfall this created while absolving government of ownership and creating the PFI's that are going to burn us to the ground shortly as a way of letting private companies profit from state responsibility. The terrible Tories have pretty much carried on the policy of absolving the state of responsibility, while paying their mates for everything and everything. If they had a clue or a spine they would have sacked the home office (thanks for the crap police, immigration and NHS) and actually enacted so reform or maybe a policy or too. Blair of course, like all true socialists, has enriched himself by £350 million since leaving 'politics' as draining the wealth of nations strangely aligns with certain globalist aims. Which his mates were happy to reward him for. As for us, debt bomb is in our near future, and we will likely see who owns us all.
@@vincentvangogh8092 To make sure their donors and those that will give them cushy chairmanship jobs gained heaps of money. Their stock portfolios gained also. To accelerate globalisation ie give away our national wealth to international corporations and millionaires.
Because the New Labour form of socialism was far more radical than state ownership of utilities.
Any government that tries to destroy the NHS needs kicking out of office also I’m a 73 year old pensioner with a total income of £17,000 a year and because of the freeze on tax thresholds i pretty much loose one week of my pension rise per month and apart from my one off winter payment i get no help whatsoever, I’d like to see these MPs survive on £ 17,000 a year.
Nonsense, it's not privatized. Firms don't own or control the lines, they don't control signals, scheduling, can't make capital decisions, the only they do is rent space for their cars, from Network Rail, leaving both parties not taking full responsibility for the product, it's a hybrid model.
They donMt control the lines because that attempt to privatise failed.Socialisation of losses is a Tory philisophy
BUT THEY SUCK ALL THE MONEY OUT OF THE RAILWAYS FOR THEIR SHAREHOLDERS
Shareholders receive dividends.Under public control the govt call the shots.
That comment about pensioners is abhorrent... The wealth is indeed in the over 60s but that is because of a very skewed minority of over 60s that holds most of the wealth of the country. It is not the pensioners... What an awful way to use statistics.
Isn’t the biggest rail company now own by the UK, not the Dutch…..Transport UK?
If the Labour guy doesn’t know that, then that’s a bit embarrassing
NOT EVERYONE IS A RICH OLD AGE PENSIONER I SPENT A GOOD PART OF LAST YEAR LIVING OFF SANDWHICHES
Ham and egg my favourite.
Milk and honey with Labour, looking forward to it. I hope they won't let me down but previous Labour governments of which some I voted for do worry me with MP's lacking in experience. I remember well a nationalised railway service and the comedy of the British Rail pork pie. How much will it cost to buy out the railways?
Labour will not renew contracts when they expire. The public will pay the companies nothing.
British own the railways not the trains
@@royboy565 Clueless then. The operating costs?
They're not only inexperienced, they're full of soundbites and hot air, as soon as world markets become aware if they're not already, that's all she wrote.
Privatised everything has failed
Short memory syndrome at play. The railways have and always will be held to ransom by the unions. The poison chalice. Thank god i have my own transport.
Why would Starmer want to renationalise British rails when he is for privatising the NHS?
Don't be a silly Billy.
When has he ever said he wants to privatise the NHS
I think it’s pretty much English rail services he’s talking about, maybe some services in Wales. Scotrail, covering all of Scotland was renationalised last year.
People dont tend to die in massive train wrecks these days because the government doesn't want to spend the money
This makes no sense.
Well said labour
What most of rail is nationalised. Less use of trains means less money coming in.
We the workers have to pay the ritch.
For the corruption.
I remember when the trains were last under public ownership and they were awful as just like our roads there was no spending allocated the concept of privatization was primarily a good thing but was poorly thought out in a way that some lines got the cream of the crop leaving other lines poorly invested so I say we should restructure how we privatize so that all the railways benefit
Privatisation of essential services has proved not to work. Shareholders always come first, the public second. Water, gas, electric, transport, all been a disaster. None of these were perfect under public ownership but were tons better than now.
@@royboy565And cheaper.
Well done Wes
Wes is absolutely brilliant !!!!😊
Oh with passion, they took my Mother before her time was up
The current Labour is now the new tory Party
I haven't heard the tories talking about renationalising rail
Stop trying to distance yourself, they're the modern left. Regarded as the Far left worldwide.
@@thequestioner5916 They both praised Thatcher ffs.
@@dec3142you obviously didn't listen to the quote. They said they praised the way she changed politics but hated everything she did. They were on about her energy and determination not her policies. The right wing media didn't publicise that bit just the praise bit.
@@thequestioner5916 sure. As if that's wasn't going to happen anyway.
It isn’t currently a private system. It’s a lie to say so. A private system has no government input. The inefficiency is due to government involvement and Labour wants to increase that.
Several franchises are already in public ownership because the private sector has failed miserably. Keep up.
@@royboy565 Any private company would fail if it is dictated to by government.
If the system was fully private the taxpayer would not be footing any bills would it?
The Treasury would not be incurring any risks?
Giving private companies management fees is not the same as a private company that has total control and makes all of its own decisions. Keep up
The majority of pensioners money is thier property so not accessible
I’m sure they are 🙄
they gonna get wrecked not a bloody nose......
We don't need a over priced gameshow host to me.
won't see cheaper train tickets!!!
Ever
As a pensioner all I can say is 'What a horrible man'
He talks a load of crap.
Poulter is a coward
Agreed, he's a coward for not jumping quicker. What kind of a doctor would be a Tory? Have some self respect for god's sake.
Any defector should put the decision straight to their electorate.
@@kiriakozanyone that can see the whole concept of the NHS is unworkable
@kiriakoz
Labour will have GPs doing pregnancy tests on patients with a "her penis" and testicular cancer screenings on "his vagina"...
@@kiriakoz Hate may win you the next GE but you will fail to govern.. Again. The left always fails. The only reason Blair was successful for two years was because he adopted Thatcher's plan. When he backtracked the rot set in.
Privatised health has failed too. Why don’t u stop that. Vat on private schools another terrible policy that will just see more pressure on our state schools
Unfortunately the public are in full support of all the terrible things going on in the country
No they are not. The govt only got 44%of votes in 2019. Now they are at about 25%.
👍
The railways weren't working when they were under government control and was too expensive. Hence why they were sold off.
Like they aren't expensive now? We have the most expensive rail travel in Europe.
@@royboy565 Its amazing that National companies capped at 6-7% profit at home can make 20% off our railways
So maybe we can learn from other countries that run nationalised networks very successfully rather than trying to emulate failures of the past? Or is there something about being British that means we just can't hack it?
@@royboy565 I'm sure the French railway is just as expensive. Nothing is going to change if they become nationalised again. Fares won't be cheaper, trains won't run on time. The whole network needs investing and modernising, this won't happen due to the huge power unions have. We had the same problems when they were government run. It's a labour gimmick to draw voters in but won't change anything except higher taxes.
@@petemarchetto4998 I would love to have a Japanese or Singapore style service. But theres one huge problem in the way, the rail unions as always.
How good to hear a senior Labour MP that has possibly as much understanding of our railways as Mick Lynch.
There is no doubt, in my mind, that the next government will be controlled by Labour and will improve life for more people - not just the ricn and priviledged.
we all need more money in our pockets...but Labour want the opposite....to spend wildly...which will mean increased taxes.
Wes - top or bottom?
Sunak " Stand and Deliver" Adam and his pants downing street
Nor Conservative or Labour Party talk about for the people electric gas ⛽️ this Conservative has put the country 10yrs back 🙄 on average working person 😢or NHS hopefully Labour wake up
Tories have spent record sums. Employment is still higher. There is no such thing as an average working person. Still, even the thick are allowed to vote.
Cost of Living.........i need to call the national Death Service, wait he's an Expert?
What?
Blimmey he sounded like tony Blair then for a sec, i need to lay of the mushhies, benny it's spring.. ouuta season......
I detest this presenter
They are all puppets 😂
It’s time to stop voting for either Tories or Labour.
Yes... but maybe not to vote for Reform either. Thumbs-up for the sentiment, though, given I'm switching to Green.
Agree but it will never happen.
How can poeple trust STREETING on immigration. He runs Ilford North.
Visit Ilford and see how he is looking after the streets.
Since when has a member of the opposition party been responsible for the streets? I think I must have missed something here but hasn't the Tory Party been in power for the last 14 years? Therefore they and they alone should be criticised for their dereliction of THEIR duty.
@@user-rc7sz8iy7oYes indeed and people like this Peter fellow have the vote.
Streeting is a dangerous snake oil consultant/pundit type…. Look how he squirmed when asked if people already sent to Rwanda could come back & when asked if the other Tory mp had actually joined labour….
Streeting will be a future P M one day. He is a smart cookie.
@@royboy565 He openly shouts down his own female MPs. Perfect for the job.
@@T5ZplayerNo one has complained, strange that.
@@royboy565 Liar. Ask Rosie Duffield.
@@T5ZplayerWes Streeting apologised on behalf of the Labour Party. Duffield said she has always valued Wes as a friend and member and have had different views on things but he never gave her concern to complain to anybody about it. It was various M P s but not Streeting try again.
Fed up means?? Why so desperate?? 😂
If when labour win the next election and will probably rejoin the EU at some point the government will have to put train and other services out to tender under eu rules.
... and this fascinating 'fact' is provided by...?
The fantasy land of Brexit will go on for years and years and would the EU even want us back?
@@petemarchetto4998I think I read it in the Beano.
I see no difference whatsoever between the labour and tory establishment, other than labour is more aggressive. The last 4 years alone from the covid "pandemic" to Ukraine shows there is no difference between them
i don't trust reform either because of who its leaders are. And their association with media.
So two policy decisions they agree on means they are both the same? Don't be daft.
So your ideal government would not have imposed lockdowns during a pandemic and would support Putin in his invasion of Ukraine? Okay. Thanks for reminding us that however low things have descended, there's still worse that could happen if we entirely lose our marbles instead of just losing so many of them.
Public ownership of the railways was and still will be a joke give them all to Vergin.
It isn't a joke now? Wow!
If Labour gets in we're screwed. If Conservatives get in again, we're screwed. Voting Reform this time around.
The Labour party died with John Smith.
Nationalizing public transport and utilities will place an economic burden on the government, the public purse, that will be unsustainable and will be funded by more taxation which in turn will also be unsustainable.
Lol what a joke, look at the past and learn....things were horrible when railways were nationalized in the past. Ask your parents how dirty and horrible trains were back in the day! Also passenger numbers have risen since the railways have been privatized. Also who is going to pay for this..where is the money going to come from, higher taxes. Also fares won't be reduced as said by a fellow Labour spokesperson so what's the point of this plan exactly?
Railways in France and Germany and Italy and other countries are state-owned. They provide good services. UK government has been subsidising many railways companies anyway.
I am 63 and have travelled extensively on the railways in the UK... both before and after privatisation...Without a shadow of a doubt, the trains were cleaner, cheaper and more reliable under public ownership. For example, at the point of privatisation, I was a commuter to London from East Anglia...firstly the ticket prices went up, next the number of trains were cut...then the cleaning services were contracted out and the trains became dirtier...
I have retired to Spain...and the state run trains are: clean, reliable and inexpensive...
... and while we're about it maybe we could ask our great-grandparents what it was like to go around in a horse and cart? People are profiting from a privatised network. Why shouldn't a nationalised network not only pay for itself but also add to the treasury? Other countries run nationalised networks perfectly well.
Sunny, the railways have been part of the great Tory privatisation con trick. That is, underfund an industry and run it into the ground until everyone is screaming for change then claim privatisation is the answer and now we are paying the price in so many sectors.
British Rail was privatised under John Major who justified it by talking of improved services. Privatisation has resulted in higher ticket prices, unreliable services (delays and cancellations), line closures cutting off entire communities, and greater cost to the taxpayer, calculated as £64.3 billion more than if British Rail had stayed in charge. So privatisation doesn't mean that private companies are taking the risks and rewards of ownership as they are subsidised by our taxes. Better our taxes be channelled into reinvestment in rail infrastructure and rolling stock. I remember when the railways were nationalised and the service was very good with some experts stating British Rail was the most efficient in Europe at the time. We can look to railway networks in the Far East, e.g. shinkansen in Japan, MTR in Hong Kong, etc as inspiration for a new, re-nationalised railway.
Grandma can't take grandkids on holiday. Small violin etc
poverty isnt only about being poor in pocket but also poor in what makes life good ,like taking the grandkids on a holiday ,
Is'nt it obvious he thinks he was wrong, he's bloody leaving to join Labour. That says it all!
Look at the facts, he will be standing. His sudden conversion is not just cowardly it is frankly childish. I hope I would never need him as my doctor.
i tired shoplifting once, those buggers are heavy
" A Dropping" 😂 more like a dollop 🤣
Rail has failed, public and private. Maybe we should just stick with roads in our tiny country.
A full Dollop at a full gallop
"Rolling back the years", Simply red. holding back the tears , lol did he just mention she's old? call Ali bunkle for a hip shake, yep off to the glue factory....How Rude
Tired? i fell off me bloody perch lad waiting
ok guilty i once stole a cadburies cream egg, there was nothing innit
Are we nearly there yet, i did laugh at the cleverly jokes Photo shoot
ok i will put the egg back sorry....
If only Sky news did live chat, they would need the 300 + mods lol, Who ? ;) i really wanna know
Go too uni get skint.... then find a job to pay the Tories off, choose life, i feel a song coming on, i got a lust for Life
roll on July with glee