Yeah as someone who’s in the destiny community it was so funny listening to the people who always complain about the games monetization and how boring it is going around being excited for this generic microtransaction riddled game by a publisher that is know for their heavily monetized game
Yeah this is sad considering Blue Archive is a decent game with a good story and characters, but the Gacha rates as of late are absolute fucking garbage. Unsure if being an end game player all caught up on the game's content and having most of the characters make this worse, but there's non limited event characters I haven't gotten yet.
The first boss's name is GREG...i was very intimidated, it was a solid name, unlike GREGARIUS or say GREGORIA, yea those names dont give gravitas to a boss. GREG is where it's at
That's why most games have pseudo-RNG (It artificially goes up the more you try), or displayed pity systems. With true RNG, you can have a 20% drop rate, and run that mission 100 times a day, every day for the next 50 years, and still not get your drop. With true RNG, you can have a 99.999% drop rate, and run that mission 100 times a day, every day for the next 50 years, and still not get your drop. In statistics, they're called outliers - They're things that are statistically improbable, yet happen anyways in a large data set simple due to the nature of randomness. And that's why playing with true RNG is a no-win scenario.
I fucken hate it when am building a weapon. It tells you the percentage of the item dropping. I get 3 reactors that are 2% drop chance. Like wtf bro I don’t want that piece of shit I want my material that has a 15% chance of dropping. Smh
3 orbs, then it's 3 orbs you have to kill in a specific order, then it's 3 orbs you have to kill under DPS check, then it's 3 orbs you have to kill in a different specific order. I don't even mind this shit but the rampant invuln phases are SO fucking annoying holy shit. When will devs learn that stopping me from fighting a boss is unfun dogshit? Implement mechanics that happen during the fight, not ones that break it up.
It's great on hard mode fights where bosses can 1 shot non tank characters who have the audacity to peak for too long. Hope you saw the order those 5 orbs spawned, and weren't too busy trying to not get killed immediately by the boss or fodder that infinitely respawns on top of you!
@@StandardsFtw This shit even crops up in non live-service games and is so damn annoying. Like Borderlands. It was so egregious in Borderlands 3. Borderlands games are all about breaking your builds to just do bonkers damage and it just drags a fight to a halt when the fight starts and you obliterate a boss' health in 2 seconds, they would have died, but you actually only deleted 1/3 of their health bar because they have 2 invuln gates in the fight...
In the Beta there were no enemies outside of active missions. People complained the worlds were too empty so they now added random roaming mobs of enemies that do nothing but disrupt you while you're trying to sort your drops between missions lol. Still having a great time working through hard mode bosses rn.
yep always 1 beefy one plus 2-3 adds that spawn, walk a-b and plink anything wihtin range non-stop ewwhile you are doing the endless junk-marking of duplicate but mostly-inferior weapons. there's way too many weapons dropping given how badly the weapon auto-scrap-tag system works for keeping one of the best of each weapon type (which you need for mastery points)
I think the enemy spawns are literally just there to defend those consoles which increase the timer you get to complete the outpost missions. Btw the outpost missions are a terrible mechanic. You have a VERY tiny small room which has 3 terminals which you must "stealth" hack, if the enemies get line of sight of you for even 1 milisecond you're no longer able to hack the terminal and either destroy the terminals or wait for the alert status to end by killing the enemies. The problem is the room is VERY tiny and the enemies are literally next to the consoles, there's no "stealth" to be had with the exception of maybe one descendant that can literally turn invisible. You would think if you just kill all the enemies they would at least give you a brief period of time to where you can avoid being spotted, but no, they just keep on coming. With a team you can "sorta" stealth it but it's very jank. The only thing I can think of is they literally designed this mechanic for 1 descendant. 99.9% of the time however you will just destroy the terminals instead of hacking it because it's 100 times easier to do.
@@bolg892 How does that exactly help? Are you implying the enemies can't see above them? How are you supposed to hack the terminals when the enemies are literally standing right next to them. With AoE? Well now it's an issue of killing the enemies without destroying the terminals.
@@zombie5017 more than they could ever get from you swiping too lmao, did anyone see how much data they're collecting with option to sell it to ANY 3rd party buyer. I'm usually at the point "of who fucking cares, im nobody, have nothing to hide etc." but damn, im sceptical of this whole game just from that shit alone rn.
The biggest problem right is the dye system... You can't paint anything default, you can only paint skins, and the dye is one time use... In Warframe you can paint everything and you have unlimited use of colors
Hopefully they fix that, it's a little scummy. Anything monetization based with this game is scummy. But the actual game is great for what it is right now.
@@notknownlogic4161Someone introduce this guy to crossword puzzles or something. There are sooo many hobbies in the world that are cheaper than gaming.
One thing I've noticed about the world feeling alive, is they added these little groups of enemies that just wander the world. Now they did this based on feedback and I'll admit I'd rather enemies only spawn when missions are active. The reason for this is I can't sort or look at the loot in my inventory in the open world because of the wandering enemies just killing me while I'm doing so which does get old when you have to look at loot a lot
9M USD is such a pitiful fine... what's the point? They should be fined for like 5% of the yearly revenue in the timespan considered... like in this case, 10 years, fine them 5% of 10 years of revenue from that game. Like to put it in perspective: Nexon made 2.5 BILLION with a B USD in revenue in 2022. approximately around 20% of that (conservative, probably) is Maplestory. That's 500 hundred millions a year. Let's just say for the sake of simplification that that's what they've been making with Maplestory for 10 years: that's 5bn dollars. 5% of that would be 250 million dollars. THAT would be a reasonable fine. 9 million? May as well fine them 50 cents, that's how much it matters to Nexon. Would you stop stealing from people if you only get fined for about 0.2% of the total revenue you made? I know I wouldn't. I'm making 99.8%, they can take the 0.2.
I'll say this, I played non-stop for a couple of days and theb I reached a point where I was trying to get some drops that said they were 20% but I spent the entire day and got 1.2% drops from missions that took like 10-15 mins each but didn't get any of those 20% drops. Funny thing, those drops were for descendants and it happened to me for 2 descendants. I haven't played since then but I wonder of Nexon is manipulating drop rates again based on how much you play and spend, etc.
@@apexfalllegendarium349 Yeah, probably just luck honestly but I feel like it's not because I spent entire days and didn't get it and some people I know got in a couple of tries with the difference between me and them being they had battle pass. I could just buy things I want from the shop but then there won't be anything to do and that would suck.
the crazy thing about monetization is that if you made a fair monetization system you would get more people to spend money. you cut out an entire group of people by being predatory. if you make a fair system you will get my money and the whales because they are going to spend money regardless so the focus should be on getting me to spend money
Warframe's Prime Access bundles are "throw some money to us" as you can grind/trade for the same stuff in game. And players do it. Regardless of flaws and missteps they are an example of monetization (mostly) done right. Too bad that Nexon (badly) copied everything from it *except* that.
The thing is, its a game tuned for the korean market, which for some godforsaken reason really likes insanely grindy games with ridiculously expensive cash shops.
@metalhev3989 right, and that's why Korea just implemented a breeding visa for men from other countries to smash their women because all the men are incel gamers boys grinding and spending all their money lol.
Warframe had a lot of issues with this but over time they managed to hit a good spot where there's bundles that are worth your money and most of the money goes to cosmetics. The other exception is the Prime Access bundles, but you can get the warframes and weapons from those by grinding in-game.
They confirmed the Trading already - but will come later when the Server are stable. The problem is - we dont know how the trading will be. My guess: you can trade everything - besides Caliber (so you are forced to buy Caliber..) But i pray it will be just like Warframe - you can trade Caliber so f2p players have a chance. And i'm not 100% sure - but with the Colors.. was this not a thing in Warframe aswell at the start before they changed it? I love the Game so far - and i dont mind the Grind. (and the Ingame Access Info is the best thing out there.. other Games need this to) Warframe is not for me anymore... but its the best f2p Loot Shooter out there (but you get overwhelmed easy - especially if you are new)
I played warframe day 1 of open beta. you could always buy color swatches and they were infinite. you had to pay for respawns of your warframe in mission and they would reset everyday if you didn't pay. that was changed very early to 3 per mission. like the first few months.
One of the things that bugs me is getting hit, like you don't really feel it at all and then you look at your health and its half gone. When you do get hit like with the boss's it feels clunky.
Multiple times, I have been hit by something off my screen, and my character just does that dumb animation where he staggers somewhere, it's takes away my control for só long, só annoying. Not to mention that certain enemies A.I feels cheap and boring, like all the rush enemies who rush's towards you, jump, deal damage and stagger, then proceed to do nothing until you kill it.... I lost the count of how many times I have been hit by something, staggered and killed it afterwards.
Next week I will announce the possibility of looking into maybe thinking about releasing a date where I might consider speculating if I should do something.
@@JohnBrown1 They aren't that greedy imo. Genshin is far worse, also you can farm characters, and everything in the game. Also I find the game rather fun. But expecting a gaming company to be something of a charity company just because the game is F2P is a bit outdated nowadays I think. We all know F2P will have MTX and such.. I rather like it though. I can try it out and I get what I pay for. Dragon's Dogma 2 I gave 70 euros for and it didn't run good, CTD:s after 8 hours in Vern etc. I'd rather have not bought it.
@@dongarippo7279 I don't think anyone expects a company to do anything for charity (if they could they would steal your soul given the chance), but rather have a less aggressive monetization system. I don't buy games on release anymore for that same reason you describe, gotta wait see how the game performs, read a couple reviews and watch some gameplay. Maybe the game is not what I thought it was, maybe it doesn't perform correctly on my platform of choice, or maybe I'm busy with life and it would just sit in the backlog for months.
It will be a quick zoom call in 5 years. "Ok guys. This is to fulfil our promise to the customers to look at this. Should we add it? ... no? Ok. Good call, let's get back to ruining video games"
I am blown away at how much people have already spent on this game. I spawn into the main hub and there are very few default skins around. so we are rewarding there cash shop tactics
Mostly kids man, they home from school with their parents credit card on file. I just spent upwards of a day trying to get a freaking module for freyna lmao trust i rather do that then spend any amount of money in this scam system
Anyone who complains should of said no like a decade ago with tf hats and Xbox 360/PS3 era microtransactions you no longer get say reap what has been sowed
@@THYnameISsarcasm No... she's not.... tell me you did not watch the video, OR play Warframe without telling me. The only thing they have in common, is the use of electricity my dude, and they both build a meter while running.... Volt WISHES he had Bunny's clear potential. Gauss has more in common with Bunny's core gameplay, than Volt does, and even then, that's very little beyond building a meter, and using it as a resource, while damaging enemies with just your movement, except Gauss has to slam his head into walls, while Bunny runs around. Volt can't do that. Even Volt's meter mechanic is vastly different from Bunny's. Even Grendel has more in common with Bunny's gameplay, since he damages enemies by rolling into them, and causing an AoE on landing.
Energy Activators are NOT cash shop only the blue print is a 3% drop and can be boosted to 6% like every other drop (with dungeon loot) You can farm it as early as level 10 but the rest of the mods are endgame. If you played the game you know you can look at the drop locations in game so i dont understand why youre telling everybody that it is cash shop only.
Outriders was a solid game that was marred with unfortunate technical difficulties and a complete shitshow of a story once you got past the first couple of hours.
I am unsure if were around the same age (im 34) but we seem to have ironically similar views towards games and very similar tastes. I only find it bizarre because clearly with games being what they are these days, our "tastes" are not as popular as I wish they were. This game missed the mark for me but I feel like so did warframe when it launched but after updates and patches it became something I did enjoy for a while. I'm just waiting for a game that can take my breath away again at the very start and continue to add awesome content to continue to enjoy for years to come. *Begins holding breath*
I did that mission for the 20% drop chance for the poison lady (can’t remember her name lol) for about 7 hours total and FINALLY got it. Theres no shot in hell it’s a 20% drop chance.
I'm with the OC, yesterday me and my 2 friends farm for Sharen in Asylum dungeon for 4 hours until one of us got the first part. There no ways its 20% I also farm first part for Blair just awhile ago for 2 hours.
what we need is a consumer awarded 'fair monetization badge' (maybe tiered?) that the companies could eventually strive for to get on their title .. question is how to make this transparent, fair and immune or resistant against pressure or corruption.. maybe a council of some know streamers each giving their vote (because they value their reputation) - nudge nudge
@@thatonepenguinperson618 I'd agree with POE if you could actually sell things without needing to pay into it. It's not much but still, being able to buy but not sell as a f2p is awful
The thing that i liked about the dyes is how shitty the selection of colours is, it felt like they built all the characters around the same colour pallette and then only made that specific pallete be what you can choose from. Personally i wasn't a fan of any of the dye options, something i've found to be common in a lot of games is that players like having a basic "Black" colour option and the game doesn't even offer that...
Or just play a few hours and you can craft the bunny. The "4 star" version. Yeah, it's around 4 hours of gaming at casual speed. Don't have to pay a dime.
@@dongarippo7279 Base bunny is given to you as a second decendant. You get her items through campaign missions without doing anything extra. SO it doesn't really count. Now try the other decendants if you really want to see what actually looks like (not even counting the ultimates which are pretty much locked away behind hundreds of hours of grinding with like %3 drop rate items from boss fights)
My experience with this game was this: I enjoyed the beta (saw some issues and had hopes some of the things would be fixed, some of them got fixed), played this through with little to no issues. Love the characters, even if some of them seem a bit generic. Graphics are really good, map designs aren't bad, quest system can get a *bit* repetitive, rates can be a *bit* frustrating (many hours were wasted trying to get Freyna's pieces). Same as Warframe, you can play this game completely f2p; just takes a bit longer. And yes, you can farm for the Crystallization things and Energy Actuators. You just need to do Encrypted Chests in certain areas. Enzo makes these much easier cause he makes the minigame for them easier to manage. Boss fights are good as well if we're talking about the Void Intercept battles. The story bosses feel more like minibosses if anything, and yeah, the orbs can be annoying from time to time. I do agree with a fair amount of takes here and hope that Nexon will at least address some of the things listed, but most of us know how Nexon can be. I mostly just have complaints about the dyes since most of them in my experience with the game so far come from either coughing up some cash for specific paints or buying the Battle Pass and getting some curated ones that way. Hopefully they can make some missions/events that are accessible to f2ps where we can possibly grind for currency and have a separate event shop for dyes. Or even better, you can have separate palettes where we can just buy the palette and not have to grind for dyes specifically.
If you're grinding for a drop do 5 runs MAX then try again tomorrow. I cant confirm it, but I think there's some sort of daily loot switching system where drops go through cycles of what is common. Ive unlocked three blueprints by just waiting the next day to grind
What a terrible and unengaging concept. Please don’t defend this or tell people to play along with it. It’s bad and you should feel bad for promoting it.
@@mriguy7989 Didn't seem to me like they were defending it, just giving advice on how to deal with it. There's the way it ought to be, and there's there way it is.
@@mriguy7989if you think having people get off is a terrible design then you’re the one who needs to reevaluate.. go ahead and grind all day if u want but if its true the loot pool switches.. thats fine w me lol I try again tmr and use my free time now to go play a different game. Warframe n this is perfect at allowing u to do more and not feel forced to play all day.
I just think this game came out at the PERFECT time. Like it’s in the middle of summer, kids are home (the ones that usually spend the most mindless money) and honestly there’s not a lot of really good games out right now to invest in so itll be a success for the time being. When fall rolls around and games start dropping this game will get more of a war frame treatment. Still a good game but just in the background where not a lot of people speak or care about it
You've already done The Witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077, Death Stranding, Baldur's Gate 3, Skyrim, Borderlands 1&2&3, Horizon Zero Dawn & Forbidden West, Ghost of Tsushima, God of War 1&2, Bioshock 1&2&3, Resident Evil, Remnant 1&2, Elden Ring, Dark Souls, Dishonored 1&2&3, Tomb Raider, Uncharted, Detroit Become Human, A Plague Tale, Fallout, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Helldivers ? Maybe a Monster Hunter (World) or Deep Rock or Prey, Hades, Outlast Trials, Cult of the Lamb, The Forest, No Man's Sky ? There's so many good games out there worth investing. And I forgot so many of them.
@@Devi_ka lmao bro the majority of those games I’ve finished honestly. All the triple A ones for sure. And I have a ps5 so a lot of those latter games I can’t even play. But yeah I have lol I’m waiting for this concord beta this weekend just to try something new
No one ever mentions the fact that in warframe you can trade the PAID currency. You can literally trade platinum for items and stuff. People who play free and put time in the game can easily rake in thousands of hundreds of plat w/o spending a dollar. I did that for years on end and finally got some via a $20 gift. Warframe is BiS for community and development, only game I play that I am %100 ok with p2w because it respects my time I put in with the ability to earn and spend like the p2w players. Edit: To explain my point more here is this: Trading is coming to The First Descendant, but I can guarantee that they will not incorporate the ability to earn the p2w currency. They HAVE to earn the money, so locking some items to be unable to trade such as the currency and/or certain items is the most likely to happen. I hate this. This slaps me in the face and says that I will never be able to keep pace with those who p2w. I want my time to mean something and if im spending more of it within a game than that of a p2w play-style then I want to feel like it is worth it. I want to iterate this however: This is an opinion on how the p2w sphere should play out. Warframe FOR ME is the BiS P2W game there is hands down. It values my time with the ability to literally earn and spend the p2w currency with no limitations. Who knows, they may end up adopting a like minded stance on trading and allow currency/all items to be traded. But until the trading is out I can only speculate and hope that games like this adopt the ability to value the time I spend in their game with benefits that fit. If you feel like this is wrong, then that's fine. Not here to argue just voice an opinion I want to share.
Once u get further the orbs get even worse there will be some immune to damage then like 1 u can deal damage to and it keeps moving so if u dont destroy it before it's very time consuming especially when randos don't know what to do
Reminds me of the one boss that constantly regenerated its orbs which was an insanely annoying boss fight. I completed it after my teammates finally understood how to pop all the orbs. Dear God though, did it leave me feeling drained.
You think that's bad? There are times when the 5 orbs need to be destroyed in order they spawned, so every time the wrong orbs is destroyed they all respawn until people figure out what is going on.
Yup, exactly what I did. I don't mind swiping... if the game is good. But this game is warframe-lite and worse than warframe in 99% of ways for me. Why swipe on this when I could go collect 500 more skins and frames in warframe in a week, all for free? I can't even color my character in this game for free.
What's crazy is. Everything you're saying is 100% true and I agree with. But for some reason I cannot put the game down. And I'm not spending a dime on the shop (I don't even open the shop). It really reminds me of early Destiny 2, before they started seasons where they'd just invalidate all the items they made you grind for last season.
I will admit that the design of the gameplay loops is really good, like if you VIBE with this genre and what it does, it's literally all you will wanna play which is what they count on for monetization
the biggest problem for me is the microtransactions which are insanely pricey. and also the fact that you cant obtain premium currency only with your wallet.
They're talking about adding trading into the game so hopefully it will be similar to warframe where you can sell the characters or harder to get items for currency but we'll see
@@jeremyleungpew2391 It’s $100, and you can also buy the ultimate character by itself for less than that. It’s literally like Warframe. $80 for Prime Access, then another $30 for accessories ( Could be more? ). Point is, Warframe is just as expensive and people still play/enjoy it.
Yeah that's shady as hell but most of the base characters aren't that hard to get for free so if someone pays 120 bucks for one that's there problem just as much as the game for making it that expensive
@wildmustang you CAN, but just like any game that manipulates to go to the shop. The drop rates are horrific- and there is so much to grind that it could be very impossible to get certain items
I started downloading the game on my PS5. While downloading I watched a couple reviews, looked at the comments and paused my download. I'm not even gunna bother lol.
interesting concept that spiralled around the drain as it got a reboot after reboot after reboot after reboot after reboot after reboot after reboot until it eventually became a single-zone "wow with guns" (the second zone was functionally unpopupated) and the tutorial was broken so no one could play it anymore.
Took me about 16 hours of farming to get kyle's peices another 2 for the mats and another 8 to craft the parts and another 16 to finish cooking him. 16+2+8+16= 42 hours for a single char and id like to think i was pretty lucky getting him.
the building time is actually not that horrible, in that part they did it better than warframe where you have to wait 3 days and 12 hours, but for the pacing of this game it feels wrong idk how to explain it but it doesn t mach the game style, it feels unnatural and made for spending money
the pacing and the whole "chance of something to have a chance at something" (often 25% chance at a 3-6% chance) is killing it for me. i've got one more descendant to level and then i'll be done for now. got a good 100+ hours so far though. great for free, but needs to be better in multiple ways if they want that warframe staying power and cash flow
Completely agree. Boss mechanics for missions arent unique enough, pacing is off, etc. Agree with everything you said. However I still enjoy it, and hope they will update it and add in a lot more uniqueness
Yea enjoyed firefall a loot, sadly they didynt had idea what to do with it and let it die slowly to then get butchered with most stupid "expansion" i have witnessed in my lifetime ;)
Warframe have monetization set for long term steady development and players comming back for new content Other companies are trying to extort more money fast while establishing some small stable sunken falacy player base. Thats double true for koreans that pop out good gamplay / bad monetization games like mushroms after rain
What makes warframe so good is the fact that you can play the game completely free via relic farming and selling prime items to other players, if this game gets something like that i'd be more open to trying it, otherwise it's just outright p2w, there are people who think warframe is p2w even though you don't have to spend a cent if you play the game and target farm, even then you're getting some of the best parts and blueprints in the game if you don't trade them
yeah, thats how I got a lot of cosmetics by farming relics and trading. Thisgame also has insane price for everything compared to warframe and the fact that you cant obtain premium currency your only way to obtain cosmetics is by paying.
Getting into warframe as a new single player is a completely different story though. You basically have to unlock your mission nodes solo since most players don't do them anymore once they cleared them. And some are simply undoable unless you have the right frames and mods wich you won't get unless you finished said modes several times
Hop off their meat bro. The only difference right now is that there is no trading in TFD. Otherwise, everything is the same, you can grind F2P for weapons, modules, descendants, etc. You can also buy descendants in the shop like how you can buy warframes in the shop.
Truly appreciate the honest take on this game. Unlike the core 3-4 Division 2 YT 'creators' who have completely jumped ship at Tencent's/Ubi's/Nexon's bidding to keep their viewership pumped up. This form of "influencing" by claiming to be an independent third party who states they "get no money" from developers, but clearly still receive some form of assistance/support from title owners is just as deceitful as the monetization and rng of the "free to play" games they peddle.
100% agreed. They don't receive money but other things, which they don't have to report, and it doesn't count as sponsored. But they are being influenced by the companies.
FYI you absolutely can craft the Energy Activators that increase the module capacity of your descendants. You get 2 fully crafted just for finishing the campaign and getting a descendant to max level, and then you can continue to get the blueprints for them from most amorphous materials. I've crafted 3 extra *after* my 2 campaign activators, and I've been on the more casual side of the grind. I agree with most of your video but just wanted to correct that because your statement that they are cash shop only is 100% wrong.
Small correction in regarding the module capacity increasing: no, real money is NOT the only way to do it, but the grind to get it for free is the peak of this game making a tedious grind to push you into buying
Dyes sound like the Eververse store in Destiny 2, at launch the dyes there were single use as well. Firm pass, I remembered the fine and have told other people not to spend money in the game. The Korean report also detailed how much the whales were spending on Maple Story cubes.
@@Reelixgo the fuck outside lol… and no the monetization hasnt ruined it. maybe dont expect everything to drop for u within the first week of the game comin out?
@@theayre2674 Once you finish the campaign, you will want to experiment - Mainly with other Descendants (As you likely have at least one Level 40 by that point). And then you look at the drop chances. 3% - Per each of 4 parts. Ok, you think to yourself - A quick run for a 3% chance - I can try live with that. How long per attempt? 20 minutes. And then you start doing the math. For a "guaranteed" (Not actually guaranteed, but a decent chance at least), that's 33 * 20 minute runs - Or 11 hours. 11 hours - Of running the same thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. For 1 part - Maybe. If you're lucky. If not - You can be doing this for hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of hours. And you need to do that 4 times. For 1 class. And there are 20+ classes to do that for. At which point you realize that a "minimum" of grinding for 44 hours straight for a $10 item is total BS, and stop.
I don’t get the hate this game gets? I’ve played Warframe for years. So I’m familiar with the genre. TFD is a fun game. It’s in its infancy, and is just getting started. Love the boss fights. Love the resistance needed, kinda like PoE required. Puzzles. Hear feels strong when upgraded with nice effects like explosions. I’ve got right at 40 hours in and still have no completed the main story. Which in all fairness is, just ok. But I’m not playing for the story, as I don’t many games anyways. 40 hours in I just unlocked my fourth character. Have barely farmed for them. Maybe 2-3 hours total. Easier than I thought. Although I can see some in the future will take some time with drop rates, but overall no biggie. The first characters you get and the few that’s practically given to you are really good. I have spent zero money and have not needed to in any way. So this isn’t a cash grab game. Don’t know why people are saying that. If I want to spent a few bucks to unlock a character later, I will. I spent money on Warframe as well. Any free game needs to make currency events, but not at the expense of content and availability. Everything, character, weapon, and content IS NOT behind a paywall. It’s all free. And so are cosmetics. The challenge tan as cosmetic unlocks. I have several already. Skins. Skins are what looks like will cost. But so does Warframe. And PoE. And Helldivers2. And Crossout. And….insert 50 more games. So what’s the problem? If you don’t like it, move on. Those playing are enjoying it. I’m not saying I’m gonna be playing everyday for a year. But I haven’t played a free game that dedicated…ever. My only complaint would be some of the outfits. It’s a Korean game and I’ve played Black Desert. Also Korean. It’s a zero woke environment, that embraces the beauty of the female’s body. Sexy being the selling point. So seeing a chick holding a gatlin gun wearing a swimsuit with high heels and sunglasses will eventually happen. Sadly. Oh it’s eye candy. But I don’t need Bunny ‘s bootie covering my screen when I’m afk and the wife walks by. It’s a Korean game and it’s the genre. You either get used to it, I have, or you move along, again. So far it ain’t Black desert bad, but I’m betting with how many purchases Bunny’s Ultimate outfit, it will encourage more of the same. Oh well. Of it get to bad, I’ll drift away. But as I said, my only complaint.
1:44 you're looking for the word "slingshot" :P Also, you actually got me sold on this game with how you described the Bunny character. That really sounds fucking FUN!
Hey man. My wife was part of that task force that eventually fined Nexon. Thanks for brining it to light. Also FYI, they continue to use the same strategies. 3% drop rates are dynamic and not fixed. I genuinely advise anyone reading this to never purchase or play a Nexon game.
first impression is pretty good but it seems more like a starter version and needs more content, but i like the graphics and gameplay and new chars are pretty cheap ( the gold skins are hilariously overpriced )
Game just came out and MFS are saying it needs more content, can y'all give them time? MFS complain when games come out with too much content and it's overwhelming, but when a game releases with a NORMAL amount of content they complain. Y'all can't be pleased lmao
Because people see Nexon and want to complain this video is just a way to hop on the trend lol… Reddit and Discord anywhere u go with ACTUAL players and not youtubers fiening for content .. everyone is enjoying it and for people who expect to earn everything within the first week of playing thats their own fault for expecting god tier rng on 3% drop chances.. people want to beat games in 1 day lol
Activators are a monumental grind for such an important feature, whereas Catalysts in Warframe is semi-common and has multiple ways to obtain them, even given out as compensation for bugs, reworks, or errors. The only one people will reliably get is from getting your first Descendant to Lv40, and I don't know if you get more for getting another, but I will confidently say "definitely not" Due to the grind, the scarcity, and just how annoying it is to grind, paying for it seemed like the best option: Which is the problem he's outlining
I kinda enjoy it to... feels like a guilty pleasure, because it feels a bit like the junkfood of games, but its ok when I want to just turn off the brain... Not going to use a single digit real money on it though, because I suspect i'll leave it in not to long, when I hit the limit where I can feel that my option is either to put in 5 hrs a day, or pay , to progress
NEXON is known for ruining their games for overmonetizing and overpricing their cash shops. I installed the game, got through the tutorial, then wanted to check the cash shop, knowing NEXON from past games, but still wanted to confirm it, and i wasn't surprised really.. The premium currency is super costly, and the cash shop is super overpriced and they intentionally price the skins/ascendants etc to the point where you need to purchase two premium currency packs, which is super scummy. Then there's the FOMO bundles and skins, not to mention the fact that players have to buy multiple dyes in order to dye an entire armor set. I wrote all this before wathing the entire video and i almost literally repeated what you said later in the video once i got to those parts lol.
Kinda just hard to believe man… a lot of the mmo’s you say you enjoy before are simply far worst than this game. Saying you liked defiance which has the issues you listed for this game 10 fold but saying you gonna drop this game is like me saying I’m gonna drop God Of War but I loved foamstars. I get the negativity gets the clicks but atleast try to do a little better hiding what your trying to do.
Defiance for its time wasn't a bad game. The gameplay loop itself wasn't the problem. It was the whole tv show parallel world that ruined it. It was actually one of the better MMOs. I will even say it had more interesting events and mission design than first descendant. It also had lots of players in the beginning but it kinda just died off because if slow updates.
I'm loving the game except for two things: Getting Descendants for free. I understand it's F2P, but come on, there has to be a middle ground between pay $100 to get things like Ultimate Bunny immediately or clear the game and do tons of grinding. Plus the last Freyna part I needed says it has a 20% drop rate, but I ran that mission about 15 times between Viessa and Bunny for like 3 hours total before it dropped. Yes, I realize that's mathematically possible, but it seemed off. The sudden, sharp difficulty spikes. You can cruise through this game fairly easily with your starting Descendant and Bunny to a point, then suddenly you're gated by either the mission before the Dead Bride colossus fight (I didn't realize it was a DPS check, I thought it was a glitch and came back the next day and won, both times with random teammates) or the Dead Bride herself. Dead Bride wasn't just a wake-up call, it was a whole phone bank. I could've done that analogy better. Anyway, I went from getting slapped around a little bit but never feeling overwhelmed to feeling like a gnat trying to fight the sun.
@steveaguilar9833 I've been there since beta. Taken breaks to and from. One of those who were too young to buy excal prime. Lead a few high-ranking clans. Now I'm just chilling with my buds when they decide to learn the game. It's just not the same when other games try to replicate the vibe. The age is exactly why I said it's like the League of Legends of these types of mmos, it's just a superior product to those that release with less content.
Remember that Warframe had multiple movement updates, until what we have now. What bothers me, is how certain games like Apex legends gets it right out of the gate, and some others don't. TFD movement feels good, but not complete, like how the game kills your momentum, and lacks options to move, like sliding and slingshoting with your hookshot.
@@Mostbaleia Funnily enough, most of my friends dislike the movement in apex, mainly probably due to the lack of titanfall's full implementation upon it. Warframe did take a long time to get it right, but it's that time and care that made it all the more enjoyable to see grow, while gamers nowadays do not desire to see that anymore as more complete products are in demand. Not saying warfrane is perfect, just that it came out at the right time.
Tried it out on ps5, and it ran terribly. The worst part was after clearing the "tutorial" mission, it turned into stop-motion animation whenever i walked.
With regards to Ulimates/Primes in TFD/Warframe: in Warframe, players can run the same relics together, even refined relics with improved drop rates, to further improve their chances at rare drops. Then, if the desired part drops for one player, the rest of the squad can select that item. No such mechanic exists in TFD. I also complete agree with the 1-2% drop rates. They are far worse than those percentages and are often items required for functional builds, such as MP Conversation mods ("2%" drop rate).
This is basically a soulless version of warframe combined with destiny, the fact that the devs thought they would be able to compete with those two games is quite mind boggling.
So, just FYI for anyone who likes the idea of this game, but not the game itself. They copied warframes homework a lot. Almost every character has some parallel in warframe. Bunny is probably closest to gauss, who even had the same gauge. Modding system is also the same, so if you are looking for similar, there ya go
So then maybe u shouldnt give money to any gamint company??? activision/blizzard ubisoft EA CDPR Bungie .. all of them have fuck ups and run off monetization just as much as nexon EA and Ubisoft run like korean companies with how much money they beg for… ur point is dumb af
I agree man, with thousands of hours in warframe and destiny I'm usually a sucker for these kind of games; but that last part is the reason why I'm staying away.
I constantly find myself wanting to go full ninja, but can't unless you're playing Bunny and even then it's like pseudo spider-bunny. Most of the abilities don't feel as natural to use as they do in Warframe. Plus until you wipe the entire map there's enemies all over to fight especially in the open maps in Warframe. Go to First Descendant and like stated in the video, nothing at all happening unless you activate a mission with the exception of may be small patrol here or there.
@@adamboise3907 yeh I was pretty unimpressed with movement in closed beta. Movement's gotta feel good, especially since we're coming from warframe's parkour eh
I'm one of the only person that like this game. Everyone else seems to dumb down to a copy mechanic and say "hur dur dead game" automatic when the game name arises. No brain to think and take your own conclusions I guess.
Ok you definitely have some valid complaints that i agree with, but there is still some incorrect information here that needs to be touched on: 1. The game no longer has single use shaders. Once you unlock a shader you have it forever and it can be used to color any part of a descendant skin. Some shaders can be unlocked by completing in game challenges and some have to be purchased with 25 caliber (the premium currency). The backlash about this during the beta means it didnt carry over to launch which is a good thing. 2. You also incorrectly stated that energy activators (the item that doubles the mod capacity on a descendant or weapon) can only be purchased with premium currency aka real money. This is also incorrect. You can farm for and build energy activators as well. Its grindy, yes, but you can still farm them and do not need to spend real money to get them. Lastly, i disagree with your take on the sound design in the game. I think this is one thing they nailed. The abilities, the gun sounds and the music all sound great to me. The guns sound meaty and powerful and even realistic when hearing the shots being fired off in the distance. I like the music in zones during combat too. The abilities sound powerful and cool. I agree the zones definitely need some liveliness added, with varied boss mechanics and public events. I still enjoy the game and find it very fun so i dont mind the grind. Coming up with OP builds is also fun. They certainly have some things that need to be addressed, but overall, im enjoying it and look forward to the new stuff thats coming and hopefully addressing some of the stuff previously mentioned like the lip sync issues. The story definitely needs work, but its passable i guess. The gameplay definitely makes up for it. They need to match Warframe in the monetization and story quality department. Bring in some destiny level raids and youll have the best of both worlds and this game will really shine long term. Heres hoping.
You are insane for defending the sound design. This is the worst sound I've ever heard in a game with this much investment and production values. Some of the gun sounds are so bad I thought the game had bugged and restarted it to be sure. And 80% of the soundtrack sound like some Creative Commons stuff you can download for free. It's really, really, SHOCKINGLY bad.
@@msventurelli Not insane. Just my opinion. I like the gun sounds and the music. Deal with it. Don't care about your opinion. I like it and you can hate it. Don't play it then 🤷
I pre ordered defiance. That game was ahead of its time for consoles. It was genuinely a good game, it was just underdeveloped and had a confusing UI. But it didn’t push us into a store, it was genuinely a game made by devs who wanted to bring an MMORPG shooter experience to consoles, and those Arkfall flash events where upwards of a hundred people were attacking one boss, was fucking awesome.
@@Pflenix for casual player it will be about 40 hours to get one character, how tf is that okay XD Not to mention you need to get into later parts of the game to actually start farming this. So before you get a new character it will be like what, 50-60 hours? You are super delusional if you actually think this is normal.
@@The69Oskar69 "You are super delusional if you actually think this is normal. " so its bad that u have things to do after 60 hours in game ? game should be free to play, everything unlocked and 15 hours long for casual players ? 50-60 hours online to be able to get TOP TIER THINGS, or u can buy them for just 20 bucks. Is that possible in world of warcraft for example ? or any other mmo, or even warframe ( u have to pay 10-20k platinum for best build in game, pretty sure its like 500 hours atleast hours for casual player ) And funniest part that nobody force u to build this character, u can kill every boss in the game without buying anything, they give u 2 forms for modules and 2 x2 slots FOR FREE, u dont even have to farm them. What is this new community of gamers idk, what do u wanna change btw ? Sell this skin for 5 $ ? x10 drop rates so people get into end game in 10-15 hours, also make everything free, so devs just close this project in 2 months, because people dont have anything to do in the game and everything is so easily achivabale that nobody care right. This is how pve/mmo games should work ? Casual player should get everything and also top tier items easy/free/in less than 40 hours, hardcore gamers should do the same but in 5 hours XD
10:00 I think this is largely due to the "Bunny effect". Bunny thrives on constant motion and AoE shenanigans, and doesn't need downtime at all. Some of us play characters with cooldowns on our abilities or a reliance on our weapons though. We like a bit of downtime. In some cases we may even need it.
Warframe's monitization model is actually quite good. They only have 1 premium currency (platinum) and that currency can be obtained by trading with other players. Now of course, this does mean that at least some other people need to use real money to obtain platinum because every new player only starts with 50 platinum. The biggest problem however is that warframe has a lot of weapons & warframes and you need to buy weapon/warframe slots if you want to be able to own multiple of them at the same time. And these slots can only be bought using platinum. The best part is that everything in the game (except for some community created cosmetic items) is obtainable in the game without spending a single dollar. You can still unlock every warframe and weapon there is in the game, but you would be limited by how many of those you can own at the same time due to the limited slots you have without spending platinum. Beyond getting more slots using platinum, there really aren't any other incentives to spending money besides maybe the faundry time contraints (but it's not worth it to skip those times using platinum).
You also get slots form free bp (nighwave). DE really fixed progression alot. And yeah due to trading beinga thign yo ucan trade junk for platinum to get the slots you need or cataysts/reactor. Warframe's model is just better
@@enkeiie Ah yeah I forgot about nightwave since it's something I kinda hate doing. But with that I would say that warframe's monitization strategy is definitely good since the only real thing you get is time skip
you can get warframe and weapon slots not only with nightwave but many times they make events like tennocon and the annyversary and give free weapons that you can delete and get free slots. LOL.
@@Voidstroyer and don t forget that a slot, a forma, a potato is just 20p, something that you can really get in no time opening just a few reliqs, from what i ve seen in TFD a potato is an entire journey, idk about forma and idk if i want to know
@@SaintsFan09-z3sBecause there's a 62% chance you dont get her piece every time. It just becomes more probable the deeper you go. You could get it 1st attempt or you could be 100 attempts in and not get it. Thats how rng is. Earlier I was opening Amorphous material 009s and I got Valby's parts 4/6 opens despite there being other things with the same rates in there.
You hit every point 100%. I went into this with 0 expectations and also knew I wouldn't spend any money on it. I wanted to scratch the itch of a new looter shooter. I love the grind to collect all the things. But oh my god are there SO MANY CURRENCIES. This game is purposefully designed with nested requirements in each item required to make you want to spend money to skip the grind. The amount of repetitive missions just to acquire these items is obscene. Mission structure is boring... Just awful.
I'd like to point out doubling your mod capacity with energy activators and crystallization catalysts ARE NOT paid only. They're craftable. The game gives you all the info on the materials even. Don't need to spend a penny & also increases slightly with mastery rank and sub attack module enhancement. Both games have the same sht to different degrees and in warframe wont able to skip until a decent chunk of time invested to efficiently do so but yeah at least you can. Warframe also limits a new player to 8 weapon slots and 2 warframe slots. TFD does not limit your weapons in this way as it's more an inventory system so that won't really ever be an issue in the same way. TFD provides 10 descendant slots to start with and this will likely be a pain point later in the games life with more descendants but still much better than 2. Warframe's free nightwave pass does help with this though tbf.
Pretty normal thing nowadays. Only thing worse are critics giving high praises just for actual players to say otherwise (ex. BF2042). At least it's free.
Hey Force I decided because of the Maple story incident you mentioned to chart the drops, so far I only perfomed one for ultimate bunny cells so the drops seem pretty accurate (for now). Total Runs = 74 Runs 1 Ultimate Bunny Cells Blueprint = 1.35% (3% Chart) 6 King's guard Lance Synthethic Fiber Blueprint = 8.1% (6% Chart) 12 Crystalization Catalyst Blueprint = 16% (15% Chart) 24 Valby Spiral Catalyst Blueprint = 32% (38% Chart) 31 Python Synthethic Fiber = 41% (38% Chart) For now in release week is staying true but ill chart every rare farm and hint if they swapping the drop rates, you'll be surprised how many online games like to switch drop rates of things. For example PHANTASY STAR ONLINE 2 NEW GENESIS likes doing it in a weekly basis to manipulate the economy and nobody knows about this. If I see a fluctuation on the RNG ill update this post in the future.
If you are putting so much effort you can do some basic site or even google doc excel to share with comunity ;) Tbh I would gladly check site like that
First Descendant: "We have Bunny, she can run and store electricity." Gauss Prime: "Oh, really? She can run? Awww, that's soo cute....." 😄😄😄😄😄😄 Excalibur Umbra: "C'mon, man. Give her a bre...." Volt Prime: "Let him cook...." 🫸
The zones are indeed very empty BUT there are random packs that do roam around just not enough to really say "we addressed the emptiness issue". In general I'm really enjoying the game.
Nexon is not a company a gamer can trust, they have been sued for manipulating RNG drop rates to 0 percent!!!!
0?!? lol that's wild. They are definitely compromised. Can't trust em
Yeah as someone who’s in the destiny community it was so funny listening to the people who always complain about the games monetization and how boring it is going around being excited for this generic microtransaction riddled game by a publisher that is know for their heavily monetized game
Nice pfp
Yeah this is sad considering Blue Archive is a decent game with a good story and characters, but the Gacha rates as of late are absolute fucking garbage. Unsure if being an end game player all caught up on the game's content and having most of the characters make this worse, but there's non limited event characters I haven't gotten yet.
You can’t trust any company so what’s your point?
The first boss's name is GREG...i was very intimidated, it was a solid name, unlike GREGARIUS or say GREGORIA, yea those names dont give gravitas to a boss. GREG is where it's at
I forgot about my boy, the king, GREG. Fuck outta here, Gaul. Screw off, Tyl Regor. Greg is where it's at
Greg is the first descendant
@@apexfalllegendarium349 what a twist
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My rage over not having a 20% drop rate item drop over dozens of attempts feels justified.
That's why most games have pseudo-RNG (It artificially goes up the more you try), or displayed pity systems.
With true RNG, you can have a 20% drop rate, and run that mission 100 times a day, every day for the next 50 years, and still not get your drop.
With true RNG, you can have a 99.999% drop rate, and run that mission 100 times a day, every day for the next 50 years, and still not get your drop.
In statistics, they're called outliers - They're things that are statistically improbable, yet happen anyways in a large data set simple due to the nature of randomness.
And that's why playing with true RNG is a no-win scenario.
I fucken hate it when am building a weapon. It tells you the percentage of the item dropping. I get 3 reactors that are 2% drop chance. Like wtf bro I don’t want that piece of shit I want my material that has a 15% chance of dropping. Smh
I was grinding out for the 20% item and i got the 1% item first. Same goes for a boss room. Got the 3% item first. WHY
Thank God I don't feel alone anymore 😂
I agree. I am farming early game. From my experience, the numbers are 50% less than advertised.
3 orbs mechanic becomes better, it becomes 5 orbs later
3 orbs, then it's 3 orbs you have to kill in a specific order, then it's 3 orbs you have to kill under DPS check, then it's 3 orbs you have to kill in a different specific order. I don't even mind this shit but the rampant invuln phases are SO fucking annoying holy shit. When will devs learn that stopping me from fighting a boss is unfun dogshit? Implement mechanics that happen during the fight, not ones that break it up.
It's great on hard mode fights where bosses can 1 shot non tank characters who have the audacity to peak for too long. Hope you saw the order those 5 orbs spawned, and weren't too busy trying to not get killed immediately by the boss or fodder that infinitely respawns on top of you!
@@StandardsFtw Never because this is precisely what MMO gamers like, they love puzzle fights with wipes.
@@StandardsFtw This shit even crops up in non live-service games and is so damn annoying. Like Borderlands. It was so egregious in Borderlands 3. Borderlands games are all about breaking your builds to just do bonkers damage and it just drags a fight to a halt when the fight starts and you obliterate a boss' health in 2 seconds, they would have died, but you actually only deleted 1/3 of their health bar because they have 2 invuln gates in the fight...
@@StandardsFtw You forgot the 3-5 orbs with randomizing invulnerability phases themselves.
Hearing someone else talk fondly about defiance brings me joy I miss the hell outta that game
I used to love that game
That game was massively underrated.
Agreed. Defiance was super fun.
Same fam. That game was super fun
I miss that game entirely
In the Beta there were no enemies outside of active missions. People complained the worlds were too empty so they now added random roaming mobs of enemies that do nothing but disrupt you while you're trying to sort your drops between missions lol. Still having a great time working through hard mode bosses rn.
yep always 1 beefy one plus 2-3 adds that spawn, walk a-b and plink anything wihtin range non-stop ewwhile you are doing the endless junk-marking of duplicate but mostly-inferior weapons. there's way too many weapons dropping given how badly the weapon auto-scrap-tag system works for keeping one of the best of each weapon type (which you need for mastery points)
I think the enemy spawns are literally just there to defend those consoles which increase the timer you get to complete the outpost missions. Btw the outpost missions are a terrible mechanic. You have a VERY tiny small room which has 3 terminals which you must "stealth" hack, if the enemies get line of sight of you for even 1 milisecond you're no longer able to hack the terminal and either destroy the terminals or wait for the alert status to end by killing the enemies. The problem is the room is VERY tiny and the enemies are literally next to the consoles, there's no "stealth" to be had with the exception of maybe one descendant that can literally turn invisible. You would think if you just kill all the enemies they would at least give you a brief period of time to where you can avoid being spotted, but no, they just keep on coming. With a team you can "sorta" stealth it but it's very jank. The only thing I can think of is they literally designed this mechanic for 1 descendant. 99.9% of the time however you will just destroy the terminals instead of hacking it because it's 100 times easier to do.
You do realize you can just grapple onto a roof or somewhere where they can't reach you right? lmao
@@bolg892 How does that exactly help? Are you implying the enemies can't see above them? How are you supposed to hack the terminals when the enemies are literally standing right next to them. With AoE? Well now it's an issue of killing the enemies without destroying the terminals.
I'm going to enjoy the game till I don't, they aren't seeing a dollar from me with those crazy ass prices.
just playing their game gives them money indirectly from you.
@@zombie5017who cares
@@zombie5017 more than they could ever get from you swiping too lmao, did anyone see how much data they're collecting with option to sell it to ANY 3rd party buyer. I'm usually at the point "of who fucking cares, im nobody, have nothing to hide etc." but damn, im sceptical of this whole game just from that shit alone rn.
@zombie5017 Every company does this, even Facebook and youtube... like I wouldn't be able to do anything on the web then.
30-45 hours is about when you hit the wall where you pay or quit because the grind becomes beyond the pale.
The biggest problem right is the dye system...
You can't paint anything default, you can only paint skins, and the dye is one time use...
In Warframe you can paint everything and you have unlimited use of colors
Hopefully they fix that, it's a little scummy. Anything monetization based with this game is scummy. But the actual game is great for what it is right now.
you play video games, the CHEAPEST hobby on the planet, and complain about the pricing?
@@notknownlogic4161 I mean... Have you seen video game pricing? It's only going up. Plus hardware can be expensive too.
You can use dyes unlimited times but only on 1 skin 😢
@@notknownlogic4161Someone introduce this guy to crossword puzzles or something. There are sooo many hobbies in the world that are cheaper than gaming.
One thing I've noticed about the world feeling alive, is they added these little groups of enemies that just wander the world. Now they did this based on feedback and I'll admit I'd rather enemies only spawn when missions are active. The reason for this is I can't sort or look at the loot in my inventory in the open world because of the wandering enemies just killing me while I'm doing so which does get old when you have to look at loot a lot
Honestly, the grapple reminds me of my favorite capcom game Lost planet. MAN... I miss that stupid game so much.
Same here, Lost Planet was coated
Yoo I loved lost planet
I played all three those damn shits
Still play the 2nd on psplus awsome games
Yooo. Loved both of them!! Loved running around as Wesker
The game should be named "The three orbs"
I have nightmares about that early boss with infinite balls.
@@Werticus11 They're not infinite lol but yeah, there was no info about how to correctly deal with them.
One orb to rule them and in the darkness bind them,,,,buy cailbre
no the new name girls world XD
lol just you wait until you see 4 orbs 🤣
9M USD is such a pitiful fine... what's the point? They should be fined for like 5% of the yearly revenue in the timespan considered... like in this case, 10 years, fine them 5% of 10 years of revenue from that game.
Like to put it in perspective: Nexon made 2.5 BILLION with a B USD in revenue in 2022. approximately around 20% of that (conservative, probably) is Maplestory. That's 500 hundred millions a year.
Let's just say for the sake of simplification that that's what they've been making with Maplestory for 10 years: that's 5bn dollars. 5% of that would be 250 million dollars. THAT would be a reasonable fine.
9 million? May as well fine them 50 cents, that's how much it matters to Nexon. Would you stop stealing from people if you only get fined for about 0.2% of the total revenue you made? I know I wouldn't. I'm making 99.8%, they can take the 0.2.
I'll say this, I played non-stop for a couple of days and theb I reached a point where I was trying to get some drops that said they were 20% but I spent the entire day and got 1.2% drops from missions that took like 10-15 mins each but didn't get any of those 20% drops. Funny thing, those drops were for descendants and it happened to me for 2 descendants. I haven't played since then but I wonder of Nexon is manipulating drop rates again based on how much you play and spend, etc.
You're RNG just sucks lol
dunno think its bugged i got enegy activators bp on first open and other 3%s 1st time open f2p aswell
Im lucky tho xd
@@apexfalllegendarium349 Yeah, probably just luck honestly but I feel like it's not because I spent entire days and didn't get it and some people I know got in a couple of tries with the difference between me and them being they had battle pass. I could just buy things I want from the shop but then there won't be anything to do and that would suck.
@@onesilverleaf6781 Yeah true i bought the pass yesterday. Rates feel the same really
the crazy thing about monetization is that if you made a fair monetization system you would get more people to spend money. you cut out an entire group of people by being predatory. if you make a fair system you will get my money and the whales because they are going to spend money regardless so the focus should be on getting me to spend money
Warframe's Prime Access bundles are "throw some money to us" as you can grind/trade for the same stuff in game. And players do it. Regardless of flaws and missteps they are an example of monetization (mostly) done right. Too bad that Nexon (badly) copied everything from it *except* that.
The thing is, its a game tuned for the korean market, which for some godforsaken reason really likes insanely grindy games with ridiculously expensive cash shops.
@metalhev3989 right, and that's why Korea just implemented a breeding visa for men from other countries to smash their women because all the men are incel gamers boys grinding and spending all their money lol.
Warframe had a lot of issues with this but over time they managed to hit a good spot where there's bundles that are worth your money and most of the money goes to cosmetics.
The other exception is the Prime Access bundles, but you can get the warframes and weapons from those by grinding in-game.
Define a "fair monetisation system", please. I don't know what you mean by this.
They confirmed the Trading already - but will come later when the Server are stable.
The problem is - we dont know how the trading will be.
My guess: you can trade everything - besides Caliber (so you are forced to buy Caliber..)
But i pray it will be just like Warframe - you can trade Caliber so f2p players have a chance.
And i'm not 100% sure - but with the Colors.. was this not a thing in Warframe aswell at the start before they changed it?
I love the Game so far - and i dont mind the Grind. (and the Ingame Access Info is the best thing out there.. other Games need this to)
Warframe is not for me anymore... but its the best f2p Loot Shooter out there (but you get overwhelmed easy - especially if you are new)
I played warframe day 1 of open beta. you could always buy color swatches and they were infinite.
you had to pay for respawns of your warframe in mission and they would reset everyday if you didn't pay. that was changed very early to 3 per mission. like the first few months.
One of the things that bugs me is getting hit, like you don't really feel it at all and then you look at your health and its half gone. When you do get hit like with the boss's it feels clunky.
You need more armor and health and pay attention to dodge etc. I think the hit boxes etc is pretty good.
Multiple times, I have been hit by something off my screen, and my character just does that dumb animation where he staggers somewhere, it's takes away my control for só long, só annoying.
Not to mention that certain enemies A.I feels cheap and boring, like all the rush enemies who rush's towards you, jump, deal damage and stagger, then proceed to do nothing until you kill it....
I lost the count of how many times I have been hit by something, staggered and killed it afterwards.
@@Mostbaleia Sorry if this might sound cliche but, skill issue.
@@numanumame yeah dying in not colossus battles before hard mode is kinda hilarious
U must be a bunny player
"Nexon has promised they will eventually look at possibly adding trading" rofl, that was a mouthful
Next week I will announce the possibility of looking into maybe thinking about releasing a date where I might consider speculating if I should do something.
They will not let go of the greed i bet.
@@JohnBrown1 They aren't that greedy imo. Genshin is far worse, also you can farm characters, and everything in the game. Also I find the game rather fun.
But expecting a gaming company to be something of a charity company just because the game is F2P is a bit outdated nowadays I think. We all know F2P will have MTX and such.. I rather like it though. I can try it out and I get what I pay for. Dragon's Dogma 2 I gave 70 euros for and it didn't run good, CTD:s after 8 hours in Vern etc. I'd rather have not bought it.
@@dongarippo7279 I don't think anyone expects a company to do anything for charity (if they could they would steal your soul given the chance), but rather have a less aggressive monetization system.
I don't buy games on release anymore for that same reason you describe, gotta wait see how the game performs, read a couple reviews and watch some gameplay. Maybe the game is not what I thought it was, maybe it doesn't perform correctly on my platform of choice, or maybe I'm busy with life and it would just sit in the backlog for months.
It will be a quick zoom call in 5 years. "Ok guys. This is to fulfil our promise to the customers to look at this. Should we add it? ... no? Ok. Good call, let's get back to ruining video games"
I am blown away at how much people have already spent on this game. I spawn into the main hub and there are very few default skins around. so we are rewarding there cash shop tactics
Unfortunately thats the world we live in now. People dropping 100 before they even get to the "endgame" that they will find does not exist.
@@saverx1775 All according to Nexon's plan.
Game will close within a year and Nexon will be a few hundred millions richer. RIP 500$ cosmetics.
Mostly kids man, they home from school with their parents credit card on file.
I just spent upwards of a day trying to get a freaking module for freyna lmao trust i rather do that then spend any amount of money in this scam system
Lol you guys are playing F2P games and shitting on people that spend money. of course they will have "cash shop Tactics"
Anyone who complains should of said no like a decade ago with tf hats and Xbox 360/PS3 era microtransactions you no longer get say reap what has been sowed
So.. like ... shes the energizer bunny?
correct, wouldnt be surprised if they were literally inspired by that
@@BlacIycShe's VERY similar to Volt from Warframe
If didnt play warframe, imma give a small comparison: Bunny feels like less Gauss speedy, leaning to Volt and added Wisp 4th ability
@@THYnameISsarcasm wrong, shes similar to Gauss
@@THYnameISsarcasm No... she's not.... tell me you did not watch the video, OR play Warframe without telling me.
The only thing they have in common, is the use of electricity my dude, and they both build a meter while running.... Volt WISHES he had Bunny's clear potential.
Gauss has more in common with Bunny's core gameplay, than Volt does, and even then, that's very little beyond building a meter, and using it as a resource, while damaging enemies with just your movement, except Gauss has to slam his head into walls, while Bunny runs around. Volt can't do that. Even Volt's meter mechanic is vastly different from Bunny's.
Even Grendel has more in common with Bunny's gameplay, since he damages enemies by rolling into them, and causing an AoE on landing.
Energy Activators are NOT cash shop only the blue print is a 3% drop and can be boosted to 6% like every other drop (with dungeon loot)
You can farm it as early as level 10 but the rest of the mods are endgame.
If you played the game you know you can look at the drop locations in game so i dont understand why youre telling everybody that it is cash shop only.
I really liked Outriders too. You're not alone
That game was great, i felt the abilities could feel more impactful but other than that it was a great game.
Yeah me too. Had a good time grinding out all the classes and definitely got my money worths of playtime
Loved outriders. I ended up buying it because for me it was my 1st looter and it holds a place in my gaming heart
Outriders was a solid game that was marred with unfortunate technical difficulties and a complete shitshow of a story once you got past the first couple of hours.
That game is badass!!!! One of my favorites!
Also getting caught on your team mates as a bunny while running
YES OH MY GOD FOR REAL MY FRIEND
Player collision is a huge gripe, there is none in the hub but outside of that its unnecessary.
WHATEVER YOU SAID SLOMO! I'M SPEEEEEEDDDD!
Also wish you could crouch.
@@Solkard That too
I am unsure if were around the same age (im 34) but we seem to have ironically similar views towards games and very similar tastes. I only find it bizarre because clearly with games being what they are these days, our "tastes" are not as popular as I wish they were. This game missed the mark for me but I feel like so did warframe when it launched but after updates and patches it became something I did enjoy for a while. I'm just waiting for a game that can take my breath away again at the very start and continue to add awesome content to continue to enjoy for years to come. *Begins holding breath*
I did that mission for the 20% drop chance for the poison lady (can’t remember her name lol) for about 7 hours total and FINALLY got it. Theres no shot in hell it’s a 20% drop chance.
i had to do it around six times and was getting frustrated but i guess i got lucky 😅
7 hours?? It only took me a hour, insane
You obviously don't understand the definition of RNG.. 🤦🏻♂️
7 hours?!?! I got it on my 4th attempt
I'm with the OC, yesterday me and my 2 friends farm for Sharen in Asylum dungeon for 4 hours until one of us got the first part. There no ways its 20%
I also farm first part for Blair just awhile ago for 2 hours.
what we need is a consumer awarded 'fair monetization badge' (maybe tiered?) that the companies could eventually strive for to get on their title .. question is how to make this transparent, fair and immune or resistant against pressure or corruption.. maybe a council of some know streamers each giving their vote (because they value their reputation) - nudge nudge
I like this idea, but dont think steam would ever implement it.
That's what critics are for, if they actually did their jobs
you had me untill that "streamers decide" part, lol.
The only free to play games that would earn this badge are PoE and Warframe
@@thatonepenguinperson618 I'd agree with POE if you could actually sell things without needing to pay into it. It's not much but still, being able to buy but not sell as a f2p is awful
The thing that i liked about the dyes is how shitty the selection of colours is, it felt like they built all the characters around the same colour pallette and then only made that specific pallete be what you can choose from. Personally i wasn't a fan of any of the dye options, something i've found to be common in a lot of games is that players like having a basic "Black" colour option and the game doesn't even offer that...
Nexon: pay us 100 dollars to see some cheeks
Gamers: Yes
Or just play a few hours and you can craft the bunny. The "4 star" version. Yeah, it's around 4 hours of gaming at casual speed. Don't have to pay a dime.
@@dongarippo7279 Base bunny is given to you as a second decendant. You get her items through campaign missions without doing anything extra. SO it doesn't really count.
Now try the other decendants if you really want to see what actually looks like (not even counting the ultimates which are pretty much locked away behind hundreds of hours of grinding with like %3 drop rate items from boss fights)
You can get ultimates for $50
Worth it 😂
@@dongarippo7279 i know you can earn em in game im actually really enjoying the game myself, just made a joke haha
I do want to point out (im sure someone else has) you can definitely earn the energy activator in game. Just very very long... to earn.. lol
My experience with this game was this: I enjoyed the beta (saw some issues and had hopes some of the things would be fixed, some of them got fixed), played this through with little to no issues. Love the characters, even if some of them seem a bit generic.
Graphics are really good, map designs aren't bad, quest system can get a *bit* repetitive, rates can be a *bit* frustrating (many hours were wasted trying to get Freyna's pieces). Same as Warframe, you can play this game completely f2p; just takes a bit longer. And yes, you can farm for the Crystallization things and Energy Actuators. You just need to do Encrypted Chests in certain areas. Enzo makes these much easier cause he makes the minigame for them easier to manage.
Boss fights are good as well if we're talking about the Void Intercept battles. The story bosses feel more like minibosses if anything, and yeah, the orbs can be annoying from time to time. I do agree with a fair amount of takes here and hope that Nexon will at least address some of the things listed, but most of us know how Nexon can be.
I mostly just have complaints about the dyes since most of them in my experience with the game so far come from either coughing up some cash for specific paints or buying the Battle Pass and getting some curated ones that way. Hopefully they can make some missions/events that are accessible to f2ps where we can possibly grind for currency and have a separate event shop for dyes. Or even better, you can have separate palettes where we can just buy the palette and not have to grind for dyes specifically.
If you're grinding for a drop do 5 runs MAX then try again tomorrow. I cant confirm it, but I think there's some sort of daily loot switching system where drops go through cycles of what is common. Ive unlocked three blueprints by just waiting the next day to grind
What a terrible and unengaging concept. Please don’t defend this or tell people to play along with it. It’s bad and you should feel bad for promoting it.
@@mriguy7989tell it to the devs, guy
@@mriguy7989I don't think he is defending it, just telling us what he thinks works.
@@mriguy7989 Didn't seem to me like they were defending it, just giving advice on how to deal with it. There's the way it ought to be, and there's there way it is.
@@mriguy7989if you think having people get off is a terrible design then you’re the one who needs to reevaluate.. go ahead and grind all day if u want but if its true the loot pool switches.. thats fine w me lol I try again tmr and use my free time now to go play a different game. Warframe n this is perfect at allowing u to do more and not feel forced to play all day.
I just think this game came out at the PERFECT time. Like it’s in the middle of summer, kids are home (the ones that usually spend the most mindless money) and honestly there’s not a lot of really good games out right now to invest in so itll be a success for the time being. When fall rolls around and games start dropping this game will get more of a war frame treatment. Still a good game but just in the background where not a lot of people speak or care about it
You've already done The Witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077, Death Stranding, Baldur's Gate 3, Skyrim, Borderlands 1&2&3, Horizon Zero Dawn & Forbidden West, Ghost of Tsushima, God of War 1&2, Bioshock 1&2&3, Resident Evil, Remnant 1&2, Elden Ring, Dark Souls, Dishonored 1&2&3, Tomb Raider, Uncharted, Detroit Become Human, A Plague Tale, Fallout, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Helldivers ? Maybe a Monster Hunter (World) or Deep Rock or Prey, Hades, Outlast Trials, Cult of the Lamb, The Forest, No Man's Sky ? There's so many good games out there worth investing. And I forgot so many of them.
@@Devi_ka lmao bro the majority of those games I’ve finished honestly. All the triple A ones for sure. And I have a ps5 so a lot of those latter games I can’t even play.
But yeah I have lol I’m waiting for this concord beta this weekend just to try something new
@@Devi_kaNO MAN SKY MENTIONED 🗣️🗣️🗣️
ONCE HUMAN!
Warframe still gets close to 100k played daily after being out for more than ten years so its definitely doing a good job
No one ever mentions the fact that in warframe you can trade the PAID currency. You can literally trade platinum for items and stuff. People who play free and put time in the game can easily rake in thousands of hundreds of plat w/o spending a dollar. I did that for years on end and finally got some via a $20 gift. Warframe is BiS for community and development, only game I play that I am %100 ok with p2w because it respects my time I put in with the ability to earn and spend like the p2w players.
Edit: To explain my point more here is this: Trading is coming to The First Descendant, but I can guarantee that they will not incorporate the ability to earn the p2w currency. They HAVE to earn the money, so locking some items to be unable to trade such as the currency and/or certain items is the most likely to happen. I hate this. This slaps me in the face and says that I will never be able to keep pace with those who p2w. I want my time to mean something and if im spending more of it within a game than that of a p2w play-style then I want to feel like it is worth it.
I want to iterate this however: This is an opinion on how the p2w sphere should play out. Warframe FOR ME is the BiS P2W game there is hands down. It values my time with the ability to literally earn and spend the p2w currency with no limitations. Who knows, they may end up adopting a like minded stance on trading and allow currency/all items to be traded. But until the trading is out I can only speculate and hope that games like this adopt the ability to value the time I spend in their game with benefits that fit. If you feel like this is wrong, then that's fine. Not here to argue just voice an opinion I want to share.
Trading is coming to the game soon. Coming from the devs.
Saying warframe is BiS in Comunity tells me you don't know much about the game you play.
@@filipe5585 whats Bis?
Man warframe screwed me ngl
@@wav3zeqHow so?
Once u get further the orbs get even worse there will be some immune to damage then like 1 u can deal damage to and it keeps moving so if u dont destroy it before it's very time consuming especially when randos don't know what to do
Reminds me of the one boss that constantly regenerated its orbs which was an insanely annoying boss fight. I completed it after my teammates finally understood how to pop all the orbs. Dear God though, did it leave me feeling drained.
You think that's bad? There are times when the 5 orbs need to be destroyed in order they spawned, so every time the wrong orbs is destroyed they all respawn until people figure out what is going on.
It makes me want to go back to Warframe. The trading was great, and I never had to spend a single dime to get the primes I wanted.
Yeah and people like I are there to buy your stuff :)
Yup, exactly what I did. I don't mind swiping... if the game is good. But this game is warframe-lite and worse than warframe in 99% of ways for me. Why swipe on this when I could go collect 500 more skins and frames in warframe in a week, all for free? I can't even color my character in this game for free.
Devs already confirmed that full trading is coming soon.
I hated trading in Warframe. Having to rely on third-party websites to find what people are offering is poor game design.
@@Shadow72eapers I'll believe it when I see it. I will never trust what Nexon says at face value.
What's crazy is. Everything you're saying is 100% true and I agree with. But for some reason I cannot put the game down. And I'm not spending a dime on the shop (I don't even open the shop). It really reminds me of early Destiny 2, before they started seasons where they'd just invalidate all the items they made you grind for last season.
I will admit that the design of the gameplay loops is really good, like if you VIBE with this genre and what it does, it's literally all you will wanna play which is what they count on for monetization
the biggest problem for me is the microtransactions which are insanely pricey.
and also the fact that you cant obtain premium currency only with your wallet.
They're talking about adding trading into the game so hopefully it will be similar to warframe where you can sell the characters or harder to get items for currency but we'll see
It costs 120 dollars for an upgraded base character lmao .. that is bad
@@jeremyleungpew2391 It’s $100, and you can also buy the ultimate character by itself for less than that. It’s literally like Warframe. $80 for Prime Access, then another $30 for accessories ( Could be more? ). Point is, Warframe is just as expensive and people still play/enjoy it.
Yeah that's shady as hell but most of the base characters aren't that hard to get for free so if someone pays 120 bucks for one that's there problem just as much as the game for making it that expensive
@@MTheadz if they gonna introduce trading that would be fine, would consider getting into game but until that i am not touching it.
Oh boy Defiance those were the days, man I'm old😅
holy shit did that really come out nearly 11 years ago? fuck me.
Damn good show too. Loved it.
They should do a remastered version. I would play the shit out of it 😁😁😁😁
i fucking loved defiance, was playing as the tv show was releasing too
that game was awesome for a minute
you can tell this game was designed as a store first and game second
I haven’t played much but seems like you can get everything without spending money
@wildmustang you CAN, but just like any game that manipulates to go to the shop. The drop rates are horrific- and there is so much to grind that it could be very impossible to get certain items
@@wildmustang yup you can but ppl love crying about pretty much anything
@@wildmustangyou can
I started downloading the game on my PS5. While downloading I watched a couple reviews, looked at the comments and paused my download. I'm not even gunna bother lol.
Firefall may you rest in peace. 🪦
i heard him say firefall and i immediately stood up like the manchurian candidate
o7
I miss that game, it was honest to god super fun.
interesting concept that spiralled around the drain as it got a reboot after reboot after reboot after reboot after reboot after reboot after reboot until it eventually became a single-zone "wow with guns" (the second zone was functionally unpopupated) and the tutorial was broken so no one could play it anymore.
When it was the best, it's really the best that no game in this genre can reach till today.
Took me about 16 hours of farming to get kyle's peices another 2 for the mats and another 8 to craft the parts and another 16 to finish cooking him. 16+2+8+16= 42 hours for a single char and id like to think i was pretty lucky getting him.
the building time is actually not that horrible, in that part they did it better than warframe where you have to wait 3 days and 12 hours, but for the pacing of this game it feels wrong idk how to explain it but it doesn t mach the game style, it feels unnatural and made for spending money
the pacing and the whole "chance of something to have a chance at something" (often 25% chance at a 3-6% chance) is killing it for me. i've got one more descendant to level and then i'll be done for now. got a good 100+ hours so far though. great for free, but needs to be better in multiple ways if they want that warframe staying power and cash flow
Completely agree. Boss mechanics for missions arent unique enough, pacing is off, etc. Agree with everything you said. However I still enjoy it, and hope they will update it and add in a lot more uniqueness
It would've been fine if the monetization was done better and the game wasn't so anti consumer but this is Nexon...
They are all anti consumer nothing new here all company's let you unlock these in the past
Warframe is very consumer unfriendly. Rivens are portable slot machines that you can buy
@@VetriVadeCompletely forgetting that Rivens aren't needed at any stage of the game. It's not as unfriendly as you claim.
@@VetriVade what are you talking about? Haha
@@VetriVade I have like 6,000 hours in Warframe and I don't use Rivens.
I only just started playing about 2 hours in, I ran across random mob packs when in the open world.
"games that others think are bad...Firefall" sir..that was an amazing game.
Yea enjoyed firefall a loot, sadly they didynt had idea what to do with it and let it die slowly to then get butchered with most stupid "expansion" i have witnessed in my lifetime ;)
A console specific problem I have is the max sensitivity is really slow across the board
Yeah.. Deadzones suck no options what is this 2002 ps1 lul
It's not console specific, I tried using a ps5 controller to play it on my laptop and that sensitivity is slow even on max slider settings
@@darianwilliams8588 good to know ty
@@darianwilliams8588really? I’m using a controller on pc and the sensitivity settings are good
@@apexfalllegendarium349 People still gaming on consoles? I guess this IS 2002 ;D
They should have added some parkour movement like ability to vault over obstacles instead of getting stuck especially for bunny which moves crazy AF!
I’m always amazed by the industries unwillingness to emulate Warframes monetization.
they copied a lot from it, made everything worse (except building times) but the monetization... speechless
Warframe have monetization set for long term steady development and players comming back for new content
Other companies are trying to extort more money fast while establishing some small stable sunken falacy player base.
Thats double true for koreans that pop out good gamplay / bad monetization games like mushroms after rain
What makes warframe so good is the fact that you can play the game completely free via relic farming and selling prime items to other players, if this game gets something like that i'd be more open to trying it, otherwise it's just outright p2w, there are people who think warframe is p2w even though you don't have to spend a cent if you play the game and target farm, even then you're getting some of the best parts and blueprints in the game if you don't trade them
They said in one of their dev chats that they are in the works of a trade system.
Have no problem unlocking the stuff i want in this game atm. Its grindy but so far not that bad imo.
yeah, thats how I got a lot of cosmetics by farming relics and trading. Thisgame also has insane price for everything compared to warframe and the fact that you cant obtain premium currency your only way to obtain cosmetics is by paying.
Getting into warframe as a new single player is a completely different story though. You basically have to unlock your mission nodes solo since most players don't do them anymore once they cleared them. And some are simply undoable unless you have the right frames and mods wich you won't get unless you finished said modes several times
Hop off their meat bro. The only difference right now is that there is no trading in TFD. Otherwise, everything is the same, you can grind F2P for weapons, modules, descendants, etc. You can also buy descendants in the shop like how you can buy warframes in the shop.
Truly appreciate the honest take on this game. Unlike the core 3-4 Division 2 YT 'creators' who have completely jumped ship at Tencent's/Ubi's/Nexon's bidding to keep their viewership pumped up. This form of "influencing" by claiming to be an independent third party who states they "get no money" from developers, but clearly still receive some form of assistance/support from title owners is just as deceitful as the monetization and rng of the "free to play" games they peddle.
100% agreed. They don't receive money but other things, which they don't have to report, and it doesn't count as sponsored. But they are being influenced by the companies.
ive never played a live service game on launch before. and im really enjoying it. its a fun game.
FYI you absolutely can craft the Energy Activators that increase the module capacity of your descendants.
You get 2 fully crafted just for finishing the campaign and getting a descendant to max level, and then you can continue to get the blueprints for them from most amorphous materials.
I've crafted 3 extra *after* my 2 campaign activators, and I've been on the more casual side of the grind.
I agree with most of your video but just wanted to correct that because your statement that they are cash shop only is 100% wrong.
Small correction in regarding the module capacity increasing:
no, real money is NOT the only way to do it, but the grind to get it for free is the peak of this game making a tedious grind to push you into buying
Dyes sound like the Eververse store in Destiny 2, at launch the dyes there were single use as well.
Firm pass, I remembered the fine and have told other people not to spend money in the game. The Korean report also detailed how much the whales were spending on Maple Story cubes.
This game is a lot of fun, hopefully the monetization doesn’t ruin it
I'm MR11 with Level 100 weapons.
The monetization has ruined it which you see the second the campaign ends.
@@Reelixgo the fuck outside lol… and no the monetization hasnt ruined it. maybe dont expect everything to drop for u within the first week of the game comin out?
@@Reelix damn, I hate to hear that.. would you mind elaborating on what made you feel that way? Save me 100s of hours of my life bro😂
@@theayre2674 Once you finish the campaign, you will want to experiment - Mainly with other Descendants (As you likely have at least one Level 40 by that point). And then you look at the drop chances.
3% - Per each of 4 parts.
Ok, you think to yourself - A quick run for a 3% chance - I can try live with that. How long per attempt?
20 minutes.
And then you start doing the math.
For a "guaranteed" (Not actually guaranteed, but a decent chance at least), that's 33 * 20 minute runs - Or 11 hours.
11 hours - Of running the same thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.
For 1 part - Maybe. If you're lucky. If not - You can be doing this for hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of hours.
And you need to do that 4 times.
For 1 class.
And there are 20+ classes to do that for.
At which point you realize that a "minimum" of grinding for 44 hours straight for a $10 item is total BS, and stop.
@@youtuberuser0109 The first... Week? You can farm some of these for the next several YEARS and not get a single Descendant of your choice.
I don’t get the hate this game gets? I’ve played Warframe for years. So I’m familiar with the genre. TFD is a fun game. It’s in its infancy, and is just getting started. Love the boss fights. Love the resistance needed, kinda like PoE required. Puzzles. Hear feels strong when upgraded with nice effects like explosions. I’ve got right at 40 hours in and still have no completed the main story. Which in all fairness is, just ok. But I’m not playing for the story, as I don’t many games anyways. 40 hours in I just unlocked my fourth character. Have barely farmed for them. Maybe 2-3 hours total. Easier than I thought. Although I can see some in the future will take some time with drop rates, but overall no biggie. The first characters you get and the few that’s practically given to you are really good. I have spent zero money and have not needed to in any way. So this isn’t a cash grab game. Don’t know why people are saying that. If I want to spent a few bucks to unlock a character later, I will. I spent money on Warframe as well. Any free game needs to make currency events, but not at the expense of content and availability. Everything, character, weapon, and content IS NOT behind a paywall. It’s all free. And so are cosmetics. The challenge tan as cosmetic unlocks. I have several already. Skins. Skins are what looks like will cost. But so does Warframe. And PoE. And Helldivers2. And Crossout. And….insert 50 more games. So what’s the problem? If you don’t like it, move on. Those playing are enjoying it. I’m not saying I’m gonna be playing everyday for a year. But I haven’t played a free game that dedicated…ever.
My only complaint would be some of the outfits. It’s a Korean game and I’ve played Black Desert. Also Korean. It’s a zero woke environment, that embraces the beauty of the female’s body. Sexy being the selling point. So seeing a chick holding a gatlin gun wearing a swimsuit with high heels and sunglasses will eventually happen. Sadly. Oh it’s eye candy. But I don’t need Bunny ‘s bootie covering my screen when I’m afk and the wife walks by. It’s a Korean game and it’s the genre. You either get used to it, I have, or you move along, again. So far it ain’t Black desert bad, but I’m betting with how many purchases Bunny’s Ultimate outfit, it will encourage more of the same. Oh well. Of it get to bad, I’ll drift away. But as I said, my only complaint.
1:44 you're looking for the word "slingshot" :P Also, you actually got me sold on this game with how you described the Bunny character. That really sounds fucking FUN!
I had an emotional reaction to the Firefall mention. 😢
Same, I gasped 😢
Thumper grind
I have played so much Firefall with my mates, it was a really good "bad" game :D It was fun :)
firefall was incredible
Firefall was so much fun.
Hey man. My wife was part of that task force that eventually fined Nexon. Thanks for brining it to light. Also FYI, they continue to use the same strategies. 3% drop rates are dynamic and not fixed. I genuinely advise anyone reading this to never purchase or play a Nexon game.
first impression is pretty good but it seems more like a starter version and needs more content, but i like the graphics and gameplay and new chars are pretty cheap ( the gold skins are hilariously overpriced )
Almost like the game just released.
@@HalfBoiIed true, could be great in a few months
Game just came out and MFS are saying it needs more content, can y'all give them time? MFS complain when games come out with too much content and it's overwhelming, but when a game releases with a NORMAL amount of content they complain. Y'all can't be pleased lmao
@@josephatkinson6280people are complaining there are too much stuff to do and other saying there isn’t enough 🤷🏼♂️
If we where listening in the native Korean the voice lines would be synced up lol
I just listen to games in their intended voices always anyway… ghost of tsushima - japanese, stellar blade - korean.. etc
You can definitely farm energy activators. I’ve already farmed one so idk what he meant when he said you can only buy those with real money.
Yea I got the blueprint on my 2nd opening well before I could get to the areas to farm for the rest of the items.
Because people see Nexon and want to complain this video is just a way to hop on the trend lol… Reddit and Discord anywhere u go with ACTUAL players and not youtubers fiening for content .. everyone is enjoying it and for people who expect to earn everything within the first week of playing thats their own fault for expecting god tier rng on 3% drop chances.. people want to beat games in 1 day lol
Activators are a monumental grind for such an important feature, whereas Catalysts in Warframe is semi-common and has multiple ways to obtain them, even given out as compensation for bugs, reworks, or errors. The only one people will reliably get is from getting your first Descendant to Lv40, and I don't know if you get more for getting another, but I will confidently say "definitely not"
Due to the grind, the scarcity, and just how annoying it is to grind, paying for it seemed like the best option: Which is the problem he's outlining
@@ozozo12345 I don't know if you get more for getting another, but I will confidently say "definitely not" ?????? lol
@@jonc8561 I mean I don't know if you get another Activator by getting another Descendant up to 40, and I doubt it
This game is not your friend, it’s here to pray on people
I enjoy it, feels good to just vibe to music and shoot things.
My thoughts exactly. I just have a stream or video open and I run around grinding 😂
I kinda enjoy it to... feels like a guilty pleasure, because it feels a bit like the junkfood of games, but its ok when I want to just turn off the brain...
Not going to use a single digit real money on it though, because I suspect i'll leave it in not to long, when I hit the limit where I can feel that my option is either to put in 5 hrs a day, or pay , to progress
You're very easy to please
Play other Nexon games, they would love you
@@christianhellem I can understand that for sure
@@dougfax Good one
not to mention to buy an ultimate character its a solid 100 euros. to my knowledge no free to play game can beat that. warframe prices are way lower.
NEXON is known for ruining their games for overmonetizing and overpricing their cash shops. I installed the game, got through the tutorial, then wanted to check the cash shop, knowing NEXON from past games, but still wanted to confirm it, and i wasn't surprised really.. The premium currency is super costly, and the cash shop is super overpriced and they intentionally price the skins/ascendants etc to the point where you need to purchase two premium currency packs, which is super scummy. Then there's the FOMO bundles and skins, not to mention the fact that players have to buy multiple dyes in order to dye an entire armor set. I wrote all this before wathing the entire video and i almost literally repeated what you said later in the video once i got to those parts lol.
Kinda just hard to believe man… a lot of the mmo’s you say you enjoy before are simply far worst than this game. Saying you liked defiance which has the issues you listed for this game 10 fold but saying you gonna drop this game is like me saying I’m gonna drop God Of War but I loved foamstars. I get the negativity gets the clicks but atleast try to do a little better hiding what your trying to do.
Defiance for its time wasn't a bad game. The gameplay loop itself wasn't the problem. It was the whole tv show parallel world that ruined it. It was actually one of the better MMOs. I will even say it had more interesting events and mission design than first descendant.
It also had lots of players in the beginning but it kinda just died off because if slow updates.
My experience with the game was
1) Do the tutorial
2) Get to the main city
3) Open the cashshop
4) See the prices
5) Uninstall
Smart.
You must feel so special
I'm loving the game except for two things:
Getting Descendants for free. I understand it's F2P, but come on, there has to be a middle ground between pay $100 to get things like Ultimate Bunny immediately or clear the game and do tons of grinding. Plus the last Freyna part I needed says it has a 20% drop rate, but I ran that mission about 15 times between Viessa and Bunny for like 3 hours total before it dropped. Yes, I realize that's mathematically possible, but it seemed off.
The sudden, sharp difficulty spikes. You can cruise through this game fairly easily with your starting Descendant and Bunny to a point, then suddenly you're gated by either the mission before the Dead Bride colossus fight (I didn't realize it was a DPS check, I thought it was a glitch and came back the next day and won, both times with random teammates) or the Dead Bride herself. Dead Bride wasn't just a wake-up call, it was a whole phone bank. I could've done that analogy better. Anyway, I went from getting slapped around a little bit but never feeling overwhelmed to feeling like a gnat trying to fight the sun.
I think it's a high pedestal to top warframe right now because it's like the league of movement mmo tbh.
@steveaguilar9833 I've been there since beta. Taken breaks to and from. One of those who were too young to buy excal prime. Lead a few high-ranking clans. Now I'm just chilling with my buds when they decide to learn the game.
It's just not the same when other games try to replicate the vibe.
The age is exactly why I said it's like the League of Legends of these types of mmos, it's just a superior product to those that release with less content.
The only thing that made me not play Warframe is the char looks. I don’t find any nice. It’s a bummer.
Remember that Warframe had multiple movement updates, until what we have now.
What bothers me, is how certain games like Apex legends gets it right out of the gate, and some others don't.
TFD movement feels good, but not complete, like how the game kills your momentum, and lacks options to move, like sliding and slingshoting with your hookshot.
@@Mostbaleia Funnily enough, most of my friends dislike the movement in apex, mainly probably due to the lack of titanfall's full implementation upon it.
Warframe did take a long time to get it right, but it's that time and care that made it all the more enjoyable to see grow, while gamers nowadays do not desire to see that anymore as more complete products are in demand.
Not saying warfrane is perfect, just that it came out at the right time.
@@steveaguilar9833This. Warframe has a nine year head start. Those who don't faith can leave. Those that do? We're along for the ride.
Tried it out on ps5, and it ran terribly. The worst part was after clearing the "tutorial" mission, it turned into stop-motion animation whenever i walked.
They fixed it recently so it runs decently now
@@HiddenConspiracy276 i'll have to go back and give it another shot
@@NexusLives yeah can confirm it's been fixed
With regards to Ulimates/Primes in TFD/Warframe: in Warframe, players can run the same relics together, even refined relics with improved drop rates, to further improve their chances at rare drops. Then, if the desired part drops for one player, the rest of the squad can select that item. No such mechanic exists in TFD.
I also complete agree with the 1-2% drop rates. They are far worse than those percentages and are often items required for functional builds, such as MP Conversation mods ("2%" drop rate).
This is basically a soulless version of warframe combined with destiny, the fact that the devs thought they would be able to compete with those two games is quite mind boggling.
"Bunny is so unique"
- Laughs in Gyre (Warframe)
@@li-cohow so, it's better than this game in every way conceivable
Bunny design process: copy volt, add boobs, done.
Well not exactly
they strapped Gyre's 4 on Gauss and called it a day
@@piktasniekas8124 not even a good copy tbh
Nezha cloneeeeeee
So, just FYI for anyone who likes the idea of this game, but not the game itself. They copied warframes homework a lot. Almost every character has some parallel in warframe. Bunny is probably closest to gauss, who even had the same gauge. Modding system is also the same, so if you are looking for similar, there ya go
Horrible companies don’t deserve anything
Meanwhile people still donate league of legends for 10 years XD
So then maybe u shouldnt give money to any gamint company??? activision/blizzard ubisoft EA CDPR Bungie .. all of them have fuck ups and run off monetization just as much as nexon EA and Ubisoft run like korean companies with how much money they beg for… ur point is dumb af
I agree man, with thousands of hours in warframe and destiny I'm usually a sucker for these kind of games; but that last part is the reason why I'm staying away.
I constantly find myself wanting to go full ninja, but can't unless you're playing Bunny and even then it's like pseudo spider-bunny. Most of the abilities don't feel as natural to use as they do in Warframe. Plus until you wipe the entire map there's enemies all over to fight especially in the open maps in Warframe. Go to First Descendant and like stated in the video, nothing at all happening unless you activate a mission with the exception of may be small patrol here or there.
@@adamboise3907 yeh I was pretty unimpressed with movement in closed beta. Movement's gotta feel good, especially since we're coming from warframe's parkour eh
Then go play warframe.. not everybody likes aliens and robots as frames and shit.. that gwme is ugly to me I’d rather play as human beings lol.
I liked the setting, cinematics and gameplay.
2% drop tied behind a 2% drop is insane
I dunno if we can categorize Outriders as a failure anymore, they did add some good content and it does feel complete and is fairly well liked now.
It's a dead game LOL
@@kickingitwithtimmyb Don't think they ever promised it would be going for a long time, it's a single player focused game.
The game was never meant to be a live service game, it always had a destined end, so to say it failed or is dead is just wrong
@xNeoNxCyaN there are good games still in rotation and all we can talk about is a game no one plays anymore? Lol
I'm one of the only person that like this game.
Everyone else seems to dumb down to a copy mechanic and say "hur dur dead game" automatic when the game name arises.
No brain to think and take your own conclusions I guess.
Ok you definitely have some valid complaints that i agree with, but there is still some incorrect information here that needs to be touched on:
1. The game no longer has single use shaders. Once you unlock a shader you have it forever and it can be used to color any part of a descendant skin. Some shaders can be unlocked by completing in game challenges and some have to be purchased with 25 caliber (the premium currency). The backlash about this during the beta means it didnt carry over to launch which is a good thing.
2. You also incorrectly stated that energy activators (the item that doubles the mod capacity on a descendant or weapon) can only be purchased with premium currency aka real money. This is also incorrect. You can farm for and build energy activators as well. Its grindy, yes, but you can still farm them and do not need to spend real money to get them.
Lastly, i disagree with your take on the sound design in the game. I think this is one thing they nailed. The abilities, the gun sounds and the music all sound great to me. The guns sound meaty and powerful and even realistic when hearing the shots being fired off in the distance. I like the music in zones during combat too. The abilities sound powerful and cool.
I agree the zones definitely need some liveliness added, with varied boss mechanics and public events. I still enjoy the game and find it very fun so i dont mind the grind. Coming up with OP builds is also fun. They certainly have some things that need to be addressed, but overall, im enjoying it and look forward to the new stuff thats coming and hopefully addressing some of the stuff previously mentioned like the lip sync issues. The story definitely needs work, but its passable i guess. The gameplay definitely makes up for it. They need to match Warframe in the monetization and story quality department. Bring in some destiny level raids and youll have the best of both worlds and this game will really shine long term. Heres hoping.
You are insane for defending the sound design. This is the worst sound I've ever heard in a game with this much investment and production values.
Some of the gun sounds are so bad I thought the game had bugged and restarted it to be sure.
And 80% of the soundtrack sound like some Creative Commons stuff you can download for free.
It's really, really, SHOCKINGLY bad.
@@msventurelli Not insane. Just my opinion. I like the gun sounds and the music. Deal with it. Don't care about your opinion. I like it and you can hate it. Don't play it then 🤷
I pre ordered defiance.
That game was ahead of its time for consoles. It was genuinely a good game, it was just underdeveloped and had a confusing UI.
But it didn’t push us into a store, it was genuinely a game made by devs who wanted to bring an MMORPG shooter experience to consoles, and those Arkfall flash events where upwards of a hundred people were attacking one boss, was fucking awesome.
defiance was epic back in the day.
That game was always ass
20 bucks for ONE character... it's crazy.
Just farm the mats for one….
@@spencerfelt2093 yeah, only dozens of hours for 1/3 of the character lmao.
@@The69Oskar69 about 8-10 hours to farm every part for one character is very okay. And about 1 hour to farm every part for a ultimate weapon. EZ
@@Pflenix for casual player it will be about 40 hours to get one character, how tf is that okay XD Not to mention you need to get into later parts of the game to actually start farming this. So before you get a new character it will be like what, 50-60 hours? You are super delusional if you actually think this is normal.
@@The69Oskar69 "You are super delusional if you actually think this is normal. " so its bad that u have things to do after 60 hours in game ? game should be free to play, everything unlocked and 15 hours long for casual players ?
50-60 hours online to be able to get TOP TIER THINGS, or u can buy them for just 20 bucks. Is that possible in world of warcraft for example ? or any other mmo, or even warframe ( u have to pay 10-20k platinum for best build in game, pretty sure its like 500 hours atleast hours for casual player )
And funniest part that nobody force u to build this character, u can kill every boss in the game without buying anything, they give u 2 forms for modules and 2 x2 slots FOR FREE, u dont even have to farm them.
What is this new community of gamers idk, what do u wanna change btw ? Sell this skin for 5 $ ? x10 drop rates so people get into end game in 10-15 hours, also make everything free, so devs just close this project in 2 months, because people dont have anything to do in the game and everything is so easily achivabale that nobody care right. This is how pve/mmo games should work ? Casual player should get everything and also top tier items easy/free/in less than 40 hours, hardcore gamers should do the same but in 5 hours XD
10:00 I think this is largely due to the "Bunny effect". Bunny thrives on constant motion and AoE shenanigans, and doesn't need downtime at all.
Some of us play characters with cooldowns on our abilities or a reliance on our weapons though. We like a bit of downtime. In some cases we may even need it.
Warframe's monitization model is actually quite good. They only have 1 premium currency (platinum) and that currency can be obtained by trading with other players. Now of course, this does mean that at least some other people need to use real money to obtain platinum because every new player only starts with 50 platinum.
The biggest problem however is that warframe has a lot of weapons & warframes and you need to buy weapon/warframe slots if you want to be able to own multiple of them at the same time. And these slots can only be bought using platinum.
The best part is that everything in the game (except for some community created cosmetic items) is obtainable in the game without spending a single dollar. You can still unlock every warframe and weapon there is in the game, but you would be limited by how many of those you can own at the same time due to the limited slots you have without spending platinum.
Beyond getting more slots using platinum, there really aren't any other incentives to spending money besides maybe the faundry time contraints (but it's not worth it to skip those times using platinum).
You also get slots form free bp (nighwave). DE really fixed progression alot. And yeah due to trading beinga thign yo ucan trade junk for platinum to get the slots you need or cataysts/reactor. Warframe's model is just better
@@enkeiie Ah yeah I forgot about nightwave since it's something I kinda hate doing. But with that I would say that warframe's monitization strategy is definitely good since the only real thing you get is time skip
you can get warframe and weapon slots not only with nightwave but many times they make events like tennocon and the annyversary and give free weapons that you can delete and get free slots. LOL.
@@Voidstroyer and don t forget that a slot, a forma, a potato is just 20p, something that you can really get in no time opening just a few reliqs, from what i ve seen in TFD a potato is an entire journey, idk about forma and idk if i want to know
@@angeluss28 Yes I am aware of that but those are just 1 time per year which really isn't a lot. But at least the option is there which is good
These comment bots are crazy.
what bots???
@@MrBalrogos The ones with the caked pictures, theyve been showing up a lot in videos.
@@r.e.z9428I've seen them around too, they are indeed quite wild.
@@r.e.z9428 What do you mean caked?
I get character stuff so often. The drop rate isn't that bad. I've had to grind a bit but I'll tell you once you get that piece it feels hella good
I've tried 10 tines to get a valby piece with a 38 percent drop rate and failed everytime
@@SaintsFan09-z3sBecause there's a 62% chance you dont get her piece every time. It just becomes more probable the deeper you go.
You could get it 1st attempt or you could be 100 attempts in and not get it. Thats how rng is.
Earlier I was opening Amorphous material 009s and I got Valby's parts 4/6 opens despite there being other things with the same rates in there.
WHO SAID Firefall was bad?? That was one of my all-time favorite games
you can farm energy activators
You hit every point 100%. I went into this with 0 expectations and also knew I wouldn't spend any money on it. I wanted to scratch the itch of a new looter shooter. I love the grind to collect all the things. But oh my god are there SO MANY CURRENCIES. This game is purposefully designed with nested requirements in each item required to make you want to spend money to skip the grind. The amount of repetitive missions just to acquire these items is obscene. Mission structure is boring... Just awful.
The la kluster abilities kills it for me
I'd like to point out doubling your mod capacity with energy activators and crystallization catalysts ARE NOT paid only. They're craftable. The game gives you all the info on the materials even. Don't need to spend a penny & also increases slightly with mastery rank and sub attack module enhancement. Both games have the same sht to different degrees and in warframe wont able to skip until a decent chunk of time invested to efficiently do so but yeah at least you can. Warframe also limits a new player to 8 weapon slots and 2 warframe slots. TFD does not limit your weapons in this way as it's more an inventory system so that won't really ever be an issue in the same way. TFD provides 10 descendant slots to start with and this will likely be a pain point later in the games life with more descendants but still much better than 2. Warframe's free nightwave pass does help with this though tbf.
If enough people complain about the monetization system, and don't stop, they will have to change it.
nah i doubt it, compensations is where it's at... Nexon will never change the MCT
I think it may be too late already. Too many people immediately invested in Ultimate Bunny.
complain about what ? theres nothing worth buying. If you spend money you're legit a moron who can be sold air in bottle
Have u seen Activision or Bungie change yet? Why would a korean company lol.. ameircan companies dont even like u
I just feel like the trailers showed a completely different game to me. It just felt different
Pretty normal thing nowadays. Only thing worse are critics giving high praises just for actual players to say otherwise (ex. BF2042). At least it's free.
Hey Force I decided because of the Maple story incident you mentioned to chart the drops, so far I only perfomed one for ultimate bunny cells so the drops seem pretty accurate (for now).
Total Runs = 74 Runs
1 Ultimate Bunny Cells Blueprint = 1.35% (3% Chart)
6 King's guard Lance Synthethic Fiber Blueprint = 8.1% (6% Chart)
12 Crystalization Catalyst Blueprint = 16% (15% Chart)
24 Valby Spiral Catalyst Blueprint = 32% (38% Chart)
31 Python Synthethic Fiber = 41% (38% Chart)
For now in release week is staying true but ill chart every rare farm and hint if they swapping the drop rates, you'll be surprised how many online games like to switch drop rates of things. For example PHANTASY STAR ONLINE 2 NEW GENESIS likes doing it in a weekly basis to manipulate the economy and nobody knows about this. If I see a fluctuation on the RNG ill update this post in the future.
If you are putting so much effort you can do some basic site or even google doc excel to share with comunity ;)
Tbh I would gladly check site like that
100% agree. it checks all the boxes but something doesn't land. Felt the same about Once Human beta. but we'll see.
First Descendant: "We have Bunny, she can run and store electricity."
Gauss Prime: "Oh, really? She can run? Awww, that's soo cute....." 😄😄😄😄😄😄
Excalibur Umbra: "C'mon, man. Give her a bre...."
Volt Prime: "Let him cook...." 🫸
i love it. but i like lootor shooter and the grind. and i dont care about the pay2win ass long it cant be used in like pvp
There won't be pvp in the first descendant.
The zones are indeed very empty BUT there are random packs that do roam around just not enough to really say "we addressed the emptiness issue". In general I'm really enjoying the game.
I like it