Parkside Performance PPBSA 20-Li A1 vs Bosch Professional 18V GSR 150C - Review and Teardown
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- Опубликовано: 6 янв 2023
- The all new Parkside Performance PPBSA 20-Li A1 looks amazingly powerful. Lets compare it to the machine it most likely is copying - the 150Nm Bosch GSR 150C.
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The difference between a private user and a professional. For home use the Parkside equipment is really pretty good quality for the price. I had a Parkside cable saber saw. I did a lot of work with it and used it for tasks it was not really designed for. broke the reciprocating bar where the blade goes while cutting wide bits of tree logs. I wrote to Parkside and asked for that part willing to pay they said when did you buy it? We told them when and where. They never even asked to see the receipt. We just sent pictures of the broken part. They sent from Germany a brand new saber saw at no cost it took about four days to arrive. Now that is great customer service. I really can't fault their stuff for the price. I just recently bought one of these drills and I think it will do for what I need it for. It is really like the difference between a Tiger and a house cat. Tigers don't usually hunt mice. House cats don't usually hunt deer. But both are cats. :)
Nice testing, I have the bosch and on the long term is the winner. Much more robust and heavy duty. Yes the case on the bosch and other professionals tools are made from glass fiber reinforced polyamide, compared to the parkside. It is more expensive to manufacture. I have an older parkside impact driver and after one year of use, the case is cracked in the trigger area, and one day it will break. Actually in Romania the Bluetooth connection module is easy to find. I purchased two modules last year and in three days was delivered. The GCY 42 module is manufactured in Poland, at least mine. And some of the batteries are manufactured in Hungary. I personally use bosch tools on both 12v and 18v platforms. My oldest drill is from 2001 on the 14.4V battery and was made in Switzerland. But the battery packs are dead ni-cd, only working for 2 minutes. But the drill is functioning well, the brushes are in good condition, It was very well made. Bosch for me. 👍👍👍
For real now, both machines are incredibly powerful! Things have changed over the last few dozens of years! The Parkside is amazing, too much powah for home use! :)))) Great review, thank you!
Couldn't agree more!
I buy only parkside because i don't want to overpay for Bosh since im a home user. But if id have to work every day with these tools, Bosh is the way to go. Amazing tools.
@@Blue-Scorpion I think exactly the same... Parkside have a good quality/price and for home use is better. I think they have also 3 years warranty?
@@Blue-Scorpionim more of a makita/parkside performance user
Very professional review. For me the winner is the Parkside, you can buy almost 3 with the price of the Bosch.
And if you don't put it to the absurd dead limit of your hard test it's practically the same.
@@silverify depends on how long the Parkside will last when used daily for heavy work.
@@macvos Parkside is not made for professionals, if you want a professional machine you buy DeWalt, Hitachi or somtething simmilar.
@@broderperdurabo haber si te piensas que vas hacer todos los días trabajos ,como en éstas pruebas, yo en mi empresa uso taladro a diario y con éste parkside vas sobrado,costando 3 veces menos,incluso con el parkside de 80Nm que tengo por 54€ también tienes herramienta para rato,un Dewalt o Bosh estaría bien si costará 30€ más pero es que cuesta 3 veces más nos toman por tontos,yo me compraría 3 parkside y puedo regalar 2 tranquilamente
@@macvos well i know people who use parkside cordless drills every day in their work so it must be good enough for professional use
@@venanciocastroviejojimenez6414 Not all the brand machines are as expensive than this Bosch, I'd rather buy for around £100 - a Hitachi, Makita, Metabo or Dewalt top- class drill for professional work, rather than any Parkside.
honest review, i appreciate bro👌
Good comparison. Thanks for the video! I am interested if the PARKSIDE has any wobble of the chuck, did you check it with something straight?
Thanks! No wobble at all. The same as Bosch :)
Today I ordered the parkside for only €69 euro’s extra battery. An absolute bargain!
For this drill and battery?
Finally, a proper comparison
I'll wait for the second iteration of the parkside. A2 or B2 , I don't know whatever the name will be. The problem of the parkside board looks identical to the b2 version of the impact driver they had. I am pretty sure that the second edition of this drill will not cut off operation. And the torque will be closer to the alleged one of 150nm. As for the screw inside the chuck, if you feel uneasy than just change it to allen one.
Great video, keep up the good work!
Thanks!
La mejor comparativa que vi , de una. Forma totalmente igual de nivel de esfuerzo
Hi, wich one is faster using self-drilling screws on metal? PArkside PPBSA 20-Li A1 or the Impact Driver PArkside B3? Thanks
It is interesting to compare the two after one year of daily use in a workshop..:) When brand new - a lot of things are doing fine..
Those are tests that even manufacturers do not perform. Especially Parkside - they count on end user to test :(
@@icku Интересно колко бързо го копираха тоя модел, мисля, че няма даже година, откакто излезе.
@@sizif717 Мдам. Другия вариант е както приятел споделя Parkside да си плаща на други брандове да му произвеждат техни ребрандирани модели.
My friend has a 3-year-old Milwaukee M18 fuel gen 3 that's still doing fine and it uses an electronic clutch which is one less failure point in the tool. More expensive tools are made to be repaired and cheaper tools are made to be disposable. If you are a hobbyist DIYer, Blue Bosch, Flex, Dewalt, Makita, Hikoki/Metabo HPT, or Milwaukee can be worth it.
The parkside performance tools stop working after around 6 month. I've already 4 of them out...
For the Money it’s incredible
If I was drilling a deep hole, I'd back it off periodically to make sure the sawdust escapes. You don't want to heat your bit more than necessary.
Before this comparation you should talk about price difference ! Parkside it costs way less even half of the bosh ! They even should not be compared to each other!
The PPBSA 20-Li A1, looks very close to PABSP 20-Li C3,Do you think it's worth it? Which would you choose c3 €59 or A1 €99?
Would you dare to increase the power of the 150 nm engine?
Thanks!
@AllHandmade i have problem to find this model to buy i also saw PSBSAP 20-Li A1 with hamer thats 150 Nm but i cant find any of them to buy?? can u give me some link??
Wow I'm subscribing that's an awesome review ❤
Thanks for the sub!
Когда реально работаешь смотришь не на цену изделия, а на удобство/ прикладистость/разворотистость / комфорт при долгом использовании ! Работая с удовольствием очень быстро компенсируется разница в цене и начинается хорошая прибыль ! Удачи в рассуждениях и больше практики !!!😮👌
I'd probably take the Parkside unless i was doing some serious drilling. I could buy 3 Parksides for the price of 1 Bosch
also doesn't run away
Amazing machine the Parkside, insane powerful.
Indeed!
Yeah Bosh clear winner.That temperature diference is massive if you want to do big heavy and constant work.
But at 1/3rd of the price Parkside is very capable and has a place on many jobs. Lets wait for B1 version tough :p
Yeah but He taked Time for Check Bosch temp
@@AhmedZouri Yeah good point. We could check how the temp was diminished when he was looking at parkside. maybe 1 degree per second. Maybe it was not that diferent, but still parkside to many overcurrent /temp failures.
Parkside is for homeowner that wants to do an addition to they home , or build a worktable etc or someone that's just starting to work but needs a strong drill (parkside would be ok for work , but you would have to let ut cool off when drilling massive holes , you cant do them as fast as with the Bosch) , bosch is for a pro .... that will be using it daily
@@robivlahov nah people Just says its for Homework Tools but isint true.
I did a core drilling with the drill 60mm diameter through reinforced concrete 60cm deep
@@AhmedZouri it is , i have 16tools from parkside... When doing hard work , and pushing the tool , it will overheat , not all of them, some are great, most are just good (overall, for the money they are excellent, but parkside them selfs says its not a pro tool intended for 8h of daily hard work ,its a "prosumer" and light pro tool , dont get me wrong , ive made a 100x100x70cm hole in rock with my parkside sds drill , took some clever lining up so the rock separates more easily , but the mf got the job done , and it was the 1050w corded model ... But if i was doing lineman work , or i was on a scyscraper construction site , i would not be using parkside... I use it to build pump rooms , only the pdssap b2 impact faild so far , everything else was just fine ...
yep, thats the difference between budget and professional tool....
I just noticed Bosch is actually using a heatsink on the stator!
Parkside isnt terrible for what you pay and if its just for occasional use - what id like to know though is what would make someone buy Bosch tools? i know Bosch are a decent brand but their pricepoint is akin to Dewalt/Makita why would you buy Bosch over either Dewalt or Makita?
Bosh cost allmost three times more then parkside !
Very professional review.
Thank You .
Glad you liked it!
Despite being a hobbyist, Milwaukee is worth it. I live in the United States which gives Milwaukee a very solid reputation for quality tools for professional tradespeople and discerning DIYers. Blue Bosch is very good too.
Its not worth it if you are not using it regularly for the profit BUT if you like top quality tools, have and are willing to spend big money on your tools go for it.
I like Milwaukee the most but unfortunately its just to expensive for me
It is worth for us salary owner but for poorer countries looks different
I agree, that handle bar looks very cheap. Pretty odd considering that the 150-C is their "flagship" model.
Great review, thank you.
FLEX and Milwaukee can offer 158Nm also with anti kick back system
the point is do you want a good tool for a year or for 10 years
To be fair, some other idiot in germany also designed the easy to disassemble bosch. Whoever designed the Parkside probably had to use some existing platform and make it look like whatever the customer (lidl) wants.
I didn't see temperature sensors on parkside tools motors only on driver board, also they mostly lack of hall sensors therefore you dont have low rpm range like in other brands.
Thermal measurement like this is worthless, especially on Bosch. The measurement was something average between motor and enclosure temperature. Parkside had much larger ventilation holes that resulted in better motor visibility and thus higher temperature measurement. To measure Bosch through the holes, you'd need thermal camera with adjustable focus and higher resolution.
Parkside would be cool if they stocked consistent product line. With battery system, being able to buy compatible tools and accessories is key factor.
at least they stock far more often than aldi ferrex - iv bought some ferrex stuff and although some of it is decent they dont have stuff in store anywhere near as often as you would want and batteries are a nightmare to get hold of.
They have two battery systems only for all their tools.
@@lolocemoipopo7537 I know, but mostly they just have 2..5 random tools on sale. E.g. your 20V drill breaks - but in shop there's only angle grinders, hot air guns, chainsaw and a 12V drill. You either have to stop your project until drill shows up on sale or but completely different system - battery, charger, drill.
IMHO they should've at least offer every tool from their range online in with fast shipping to any LIDL shop in europe.
Bosch every time. Had some green Parkside tools and they go bad very quickly. Especially the trigger switch lives it's own life after a short time. When you hold it in your hand you feel that the parts don't fit as good as in the Bosch units. The rubber is cheap, the mold is sharp and misaligned. I know it's 2-3 times cheaper but when I buy the blue Bosch I buy it for many years.
On other hand I have multiple Parkside tools going strong after 3 years of moderate DIY use..... I bought drill with cahrger and battery for 25 eur
Could you please tell us the model of infrared camera you used in this video?
Flir C5
Thank you for your review, 👌
My pleasure!
I beg to differ that bosh biturbo is the strongest drill in the world I have two drills that beat it although I would love to get my hands on that Parkside to put them against US versions of the Milwaukee and flex24v turbo hammer drills.
Hi, what is it's soft torque? I mean how many Nm does it have on 2nd gear? Can't find manual anywhere online.
From the internet: "So, the difference between hard torque and soft torque is this: Hard torque is how much the driver will produce when you're working with hardened fasteners and materials like stainless steel. Soft torque is the maximum torque you get when you're working with softer materials, like pine."
@@icku I know, but you can only get 150Nm on 1st Gear, 2nd is faster but weaker. Im interested in Nm value on 2nd gear
Love you PARKSIDE ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
It just depends on what you intend to use it for. If it's for professional work buy the Bosch if it's for DIY buy the Parkside. Or you could buy a Makita.
The smoke from Parkside is from the grease. Have allot of grease and goes to the motor.
You will see the smoke 5 -6 times whenn will be hot. Afer no smoke on Parkside. For the price is the best on market for this quality.
I wait to see how much will last the batteries in time. Cells looks well made.
Have you looked all the video. I have disassembled the tool. No grease around the motor and windings. And its purely overheating - 93 degrees vs 54.
The temperature measurement was rubbish. The measurement equipment had to be rebooted. In the meantime the temperature of the bosch was dropped 30c down. When you measured it correct, the difference was maybe 10c.
Y el precio de la bosh? Que para estar hecha en malasia ya le vale
Pushing 90Amp almost continuously and you wonder it smokes. Man , it's welding currents. I am BOLTR.
Most of my power tools are Parkside and I've never had a single issue with any of them, I've owned makitas, dewalts and bosch power tools and all of my Parkside tools have out lived them and out preformed them by a long shot.
Great review, good job, thanks 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Testing with Chinese parts is not really, at 9:38 . Same with the screw at the beginning that broke. I have Parkside and it is very good! Professionally, we use a soap or dishwashing liquid on the screw threads.
I'm undecided whether to buy the parkside or the 110nm bosch, what do you think??
If you have the money Bosch is still the better choice
@@icku 220€ bosch with 1 battery 3Ah and battery 5Ah, charger and bluetooth module or 120€ the parkside whithout battery.
It seems the Parkside is a clear example of too much power with low control.
Maybe they'll improve it with future versions. For now, I think I'll stick with my Performance 60nm.
Ty for the detailed review!
P.s. could you make a video (or a short even) on how to disassemble a chuck? I'm having problems with a green parkside one.. it seems glued to the arbor shaft
Already have one: ruclips.net/video/qxlzkSmTnKA/видео.html
and how to disassemble its internals: ruclips.net/video/cas8w5laVC0/видео.html
@@icku wow, awesome! Thank you so much!!
Keep up the great work 💪
Well, I would 100% agree with you if the 60 nm version wasn't so bad. I already went through 3 drills with very light use. The 3rd one lasted about 20 seconds sadly. I got my money back and picked up this one on sale. Let's see if its any better.
Needless to say I am not after the torque at all. Also most of my other PS tools last just fine. Only had a couple fail and I have about 40+ tools so its not really a hate either.
Cost of Parkside VS Bosh?
im using the PPBSA 20-Li A1 new version with hummer for 4 months with intensive use and i only found 2 negative aspects:
-the plastic handle lock mechanist sucks, will break with time
-The chuck wobbles a bit
Its litle things that can be easily fix in future version but im kind of impressed, of course Bosh its better but come on, almost costs 3 times more
I was exactly thinking the same way, but now it's quit the opposit cause my parkside performance tools don't work after 6 month of use... so i decided to repair or replce my old bosch tools. Parkside is a complete wast of time, you'll see.
Best review
parkside performance line is very strong and durable and half the cost. All equipment is made by Grizzly Tools
if parks is copy of Bosch why use different batteries?
These tests are becoming hard for the testers with these tools we could only imagine arround 15 years back loolz...
I laughed hard at dissasembly "some idiot in germany designed it" hahaha 🤣 Nice review and greetings from Poland!
Thank you! Happy that you liked it.
I like the sarcasm! 😂
Bosch for anyone that wants to do real work. Parkside for the person wanting to boast about manufacturer specifications. I've owned or tested most Parkside performance tools and they don't last at all. Utter pieces of crap when you start using them seriously.
Dude there are people assembling drywalls 10hrs a day for a living using Parkside performance and its working good
I've both, the bosch is still working (3 years warrantly) and the parkside don't work anymore, it's just don't start after 4 month of normal use (even if the warrantly is 5 years) just like other parkside performance tools.
Ok Bosch is pretty expensive but not so much compare to the complet wast of time of the parkside tools. I've almost all of them and they stop working one after the other, one of them has almost burn in my hands, it maked a hudge smoke...
Parkside rocks!
I think the parkside is good
the smoke is probably from greese
depend of laquer - winding of bldc motor can easly go up to 120*C operational temp ...or even 150*C
The BLDC motor probably can withstand 150 degrees, but for sure the plastics around it cannot :(
@@icku carbon fibre reinforced plastics will easily meet 200C no problem.
I had parkside performance hammer drill and protection was trash, when i was screwing m16 bolts and it fried electronics. They have potential but design needs improvement. Unfinished work.
Bosch BiTurbo? the 80's called and want their turbo talk back!
Парксайд чей бренд? Польши, они вроде только там продаются.
Lidl
Не правите ли сметка да се разделите с парксайда? 🤔 😀 Тъй тъй си имате боша. Поздрави 🙂 Клипа е топ както винаги! Пп:има ли смисъл да се купува по-скъпия за хоби работа?
По-скоро мислех да махна Боша. Много пари съм затворил в него, но ще изчакам още малко, че имам нещо наум. А екстра си е за хоби работа Parkside-a. Мерси за коментара :)
@@icku write in english like everybody else whats the point of this if everybody writes in their native language
Who was copiyng the design?! xD Parkside looks VERY similar to the Bosch and vice versa!
I already knew you gona break those 10x180mm bolts. You need to make a predrill first, smaller than 10mm, let's say 8mm.
The idea was to make it as tough for the drills as possible. Not po make it easy.
I have the SDS parkside performance hammer drill it blew my friends Milwaukee SDS out of the water
Happy to hear that ;)
Thanks for the review. Regarding the Bosch bluetooth module (GCY 42). I've got myself a few of these. They are manufactured in Poland.
As for the overtemperature protection: it might be only measuring the battery temperature (so it doesn't burst into flames) they probably don't care much about the motor melting (it'll just stop)
Thanks for the info!
The BOSCH is the BOSCH.
❤
Parkside 20 Volt/ Bosch 18Volt)
😮oczym mowa tym parksajdem to się dobrze rzuca za psem
By "potato masher" you mean a stick grenade?
Yep
Ако имаш финансовите възможности да си го позволиш, бош винаги е по добрият избор.
Така е. За професионална работа, никога не бих си помислил за парксайд.
За неща с батерия не...миулоки,фестул,хикоки..флекс...всички тия с много по добре от боша
Въпрос на личен избор.
@@mariantheplug920 По принцип 18-волтовите Бошове са малко слабовати, в сравнение с конкуренцията, но тоя нов модел наистина е много мощен (но и много голям и тежък). Може би за момента само 40-волтовата Макита може да се мери с него като мощност.
Аз също не разбирам защо някои ще вземе Парксайд за професионална работа. Пък не са чак такава инвестиция марковите, ако с тях изкарваш пари всеки ден. На човек му трябват 2-3 хубави винтоверта, които да ползва години.
Please use 8 ah baterry this tool wery morę powerfoul
Its an 8Ah :)
Se nota que intentas que gane el Bosch, lo empujas más en algúna prueba, y en el agujero al tronco de haya, fuerza hasta el final de la broca al parkside ,y al Bosch no lo metes hasta el final.
Sobre todo, donde más se fuerzan los taladros.
El Bosch ganaría igual, pero por muy,muy poco.
No es bueno manipular....
Parkside 39 99 plus akku 29 99 bosch? Parkside 5 jahre garantie😊
Pros= bosch
Home use= parkside just fine
Parkside winns every time.
Quero uma kkkk
SPOILER: both are manufactured by Bosch.
Parkside 👍🫡🥵
use the bosch at work, the chuck is really crap, too short, and struggles to grip drill bits, love my Makita at home!!
Makita 2 speed hi torque
Мощные штуки
Bosch is a pro grade tool. Parkside is a grocery store brand .
Parkside is way better, considering to its price ,I think 3 Parkside drills can be purchased in the price of bosch 😂
Боша е страхотен,но не съм съгласен че е one of the best in the world. Макита имат много по-добра машина в този клас.Хилти,фестул,хикоки също макар фестула и хилтито да са по скъпи.Бош не са имали модел без конкуренция от 10г..
I am not so rich to buy cheap stuff.
With Bosch (and other good brands) you buy not only better and more reliable tool, you buy also wide service network and lots of spare parts. I can still find parts for my father's Bosch sds hammer drill that is 40 year old. It is still funtioning and can be fixed. Parkside will fail every time when you need it the most. And then, you can throw it in garbage and loose precious time to drive and get new tool. It usually fails on some stupid part like switch or casing or similar and it is not fixable. I had lots of cheap brands and it is all junk (Parkside included). No service, no parts, fails after year or two, usually in the most critical moment of work. 5 year waranty is a joke, they know that 95% of people will not bother and loose time to replace this. I am buying only good brands that have service and parts in my country and had never a single problem with my Bosch tools (I like Bosch becasue it has very long presence in my country).
And come on..... Tool this days is so cheap that anyone can buy good quality tool. 200-400 euros for good Bosch (or other major brand) tool is no brainer (40 years ago when my father bought the drill was totaly different situation, good tools where expensive and rare) Fuck! I can eat and drink in one night difference between Bosch and Parkside! You cheap bunch of sissies! :)
Dude there are ppl that are working for 500eur a month do you really think they can afford 300 eur drill?
Regarding Parkside its quite good for its purpose and it can last you 5 years easy.....From your experience you probably need Hilti or other top brand because you use your tools more intensively.
Park side drills are over 150.00 us dollars more than Milwaukee 2804-20 and 2904-20 gen3 And 4 and I can get the flew for 120.00 dollars with lifetime warranty gen gen 3 2804-20112.00 dollars and it comes with a high output 3.0 battery and 139.00 for gen 4 2904-20 Parkside is wanting over 400.00 dollars for just the DRILL wow 😳 you guys call that value??!!!?????
Who charged you 150$ for parkside dude?:) I got mine for like 60 euros or so. And thats for the performance series! You can buy cordless drills for 30euros.
Who is ripping you off ?? Hahaha !!!!
These 150Nm versions cost 100 euro's excluding the battery/charger.
The 60NM version goes for even less or about the same including battery/charger.
If you paid 400 they fucked you over , and not just once....
@@dannybax1982 where can I buy these Parkside tools to test against US brands for a reasonable price??? I want the best impact driver the best drill and batteries to match!! What are the top models and who ships to the US.. AND I DIDN'T BUY BECAUSE IT WAS SO EXPENSIVE!!!
@@TacticalThib
Parkside is sold by Lidl , its their own brand of tools.
Lidl.nl or Lidl.de
@@dannybax1982 thank you sir
Глаза видят, что покупают
Сразу чувствуется русский акцент
болгарский ;)
I got me own test i buy parkside i do elektrificity and me parkside burn after i finish one building where was flats full of plugsbox after me parkside burn make sparks doesnt work anymore and even when was new was realy underpower ..so i trow in bin ...I buy Dewalt never have same problems anymore ..Parkside is only goodin garage when u use it sometime but why in hell U gonna buy parkside around 50 or 100 euros for garage then after 1 yeara max is dead when u can buy Dewalt for 200 but last You so many years and specialy if u are builder u need buy profesional brands i use some Bosch not bad but when u Buy dewalt or milwakey or Hilthy u dont want shity cheap tools anymore
Bosch is more for intensive use, ie., professionals. Parkside is cheaper to buy, but in the end, more expensive for money and for environment because of more frequent failures and more frequent replacements.
Bravo; we have a virtue signaler in here in the quest of "saving the planet" You deserve a medal. now please cut the environmental talking and let us drill in peace.
@@balauruldeaur1271 So insecure... no one and no comment is stopping you from drilling ! Happy drilling, driller !
Můžeš rovnou kázat v kostele s Grétou.🤦
Nobody knows yet how long the Parkside would last in similar conditions
@@Thomas-tf4cm Actually yes, there are testimonies and tests about that (Parkside lifetime and quality compared to Bosch, booth tools and batteries) on YT. Basically they don't compare with Bosch. Milwaukee and Makita seems to be very good too, though below. Dewalt have sometimes design and reliability problems. Bosch batteries are significantly superior to all others in terms of temperature and lifetime, but they are more expensive.
bosch cena od 1099 zl, parkside cena od 349 zł...
Bosh is much better than poarkside