Flass whimpering like a child before getting knocked out by Batman was one of the best moments of the entire show. Batman strikes fear into all criminals, even the ones that carry a badge.
I guess Harvey Bullock hasn't actually been used that much outside of BTAS and Gotham. He wasn't in The Batman or Beware the Batman, as far as I recall...
@@jacktoma21oh yes, that’s right. And they made him corrupt in that game, which I did not like one bit, possibly because it was Bobby Costanzo voicing him
@@SerumLake in the audio tapes, Loeb says he needs to start earning his pay, which does imply he’s taking the cash to look the other way, but not doing anything as horrible as we see in the show. Although his lack of appearances in the rest of the series makes me suspicious
Honestly, this is an interesting one, as it’s the first time in an animated series that the cops are corrupt. Prior the most they would be is incompetent at best as the higher ups didn’t want to portray law enforcement in a negative light. Funny enough Bullock did start off as corrupt in comics, with the bit near the end with Harvey, I’m wondering if he’ll start to go straight.
Ill be honest when I say that when I first learned that Harvey Bullock is a corrupt cop and one of the many true criminals in Gotham alongside Arnold Flass (who Im not surprised is corrupt), I was very much disappointed since I preferred Harvey Bullock from BTAS who may have been an offish, slobish, and loud mouth cop, but he was still, never corrupt or took bribes and remained loyal to Gordon, even if he wasn't the biggest fan of Batman and tended to do things his own way as a cop. However, after thinking about it for a little bit, I started to understand why they changed him in this show, and for the most part, I think it works. Bullock in this show may be corrupt and done immoral things, but you can see some hesitation and doubt within him. For the sake of the overarching storyline/theme of the season, you see these ordinary cops who represent the worst of Gotham compared to the villains they were supposed to hate. While I still prefer BTAS or Gotham (FOX series) takes on Bullock as a rough loudmouth with a good heart, I do think this change for this show makes sense, and I actually do hope that in maybe Season 2, they can give Bullock a redemption arc as there is a small glimpse of good within him compared to how much of a scumbag Flass is.
Ironically, this Bullock isn't as much of a slob. While he's still just as overweight, he at least keeps his clothes straight and his facial hair tidy.
@@SerumLake I think the only reason everyone's clamoring for Bullock to be redeemed is cuz they're too attached to the BTAS version. But I don't want him to. After the things he's done? No. Even if he switched sides, that can never make up for the lives he's ruined.
Out of all the changes in Caped Crusader Bullock and Flask may be the most controversial but makes sense. They stole the show. They didn't have any world domination or terrifying schemes in mind. They wete just horrible corrupted cops. Cops we sadly see in our world today and they have no remorse for their actions. Well besides Bullock but he still complied. The Firefly episode is my favorite because after that things escalate with them taking over crime. There is no good in Arnold Flass especially as he might be the most pure evil villains in Modern Batman. He is not a enigmatic being of chaos like Joker or a man who hurts others because to them their life is meaningless to them like Zsas. He is just a corrupted version of the law. He is a bad cop and I feel glad we finally saw why Gotham is chaotic. Besides the Gordons and Montoya the people in charge don't care. They just want power.
I like a Bullock who was corrupt or was in the sphere of those who are corrupt or being to into 'off the books street justice' but turning it around and becoming one of Gordon's most loyal men, even if he is still a slob
I think Flass is going to get killed and seeing it is going to scare bullock to the point where he turns over a new leaf and becomes an honest cop. He’ll still be a rude obnoxious slob, but he won’t be corrupt anymore.
@@SerumLake He's a really good Lout with a Heart of Gold. He suits that role well. This Bullock makes me wish they'd just made up a new character for this role.
Honestly the Harvey side feels like a toss up on if he'll get a redemption. After Two Face pointed out how Flass would push him to do the dirty work, Bullock seemed to be thinking on it more. And even uses those exact words in a following scene. So, maybe he decides to serve his time and go PI or when he gets out thanks to Thorne he chooses to go a different route. Or he'll just keep being a monster and the muscle of the pair
One key detail absent from the video is they are not loyal to Thorne like they claimed in episode 10. In episode 1 they work for Penguin meaning they either just joined him or were taking 3 salaries. I predict Bullock will turn a new leaf, but that likely means he dies.
I actually like BTAS treating the cops as good but useless and outnumbered. It shows that the corruption in Gotham isn’t in the system, it’s in the city itself.
In the animated series, Bullock seem to have facial hair, in Caped Crusader he has a mustache; perhaps to play on the “bad guys have mustaches” trope.🤷♂️
Around the same time B:TAS was happening, James Ellroy was writing his acclaimed L.A. Quartet of crime novels (the two most famous are Black Dahlia and L.A. Confidential which became the movies) where even his protagonists are often as corrupt and guilty of murder as Caped Crusader's Harvey Bullock, and who eventually hit their limits and try to do things right even if it kills them. Brubaker I know, and Timm I'm pretty sure have read James Ellroy. I wonder if that is an inspiration for what they're planning on Bullock? Not just he turns over a new leaf and becomes the Bullock we all know from B:TAS but instead someone who realizes how much of the evil in Gotham is directly due to him and tries to redeem himself, or perhaps more cynically realizes which way the wind is blowing for police corruption and sells out Flass to remain on the force and does his best to keep his nose clean from here on. That's what I like about this show, I genuinely don't know where anything is going to go with these characters in season 2.
Honestly, I like this take on these two detectives. They're both corrupt even if one is more irredeemable than the other. Flass' final scene in which Batman puts the fear of god in him is amazing. It feels great when we see him whimpering after trying to take the moral high ground, proving that underneath everything, he is just a bully that folded when someone stood up to him. I would've liked to have seen more emotion from Batman as he was picking the gun and aimed it at Flass, really showing that the death of his friend affected him a lot in that moment. Otherwise, looking forward to the second season of the show.
Harvey Bullock also was inspiration for his mirrored version Angel Rojas - an honest cop but too headstrong with his Zero Tolerance Policy that only aided in Ethan Bennett's corruption and Ellen Yin(sen)'s temporary incarceration until Gordon repremands his heartlessness making things worse.
With Bullock being more of the follower and not facing as long of a sentence as Flass will get for murdering Harvey Dent, I wonder if that leaves room for Bullock to at least partially mend his ways and come back in a future season as a private detective or something.
I could definitely see an episode in season 2 dealing with Flass trying to get out of his murder wrap, by testifying against Bullock. Flass had definitely played the role of the devil on Bullock's shoulder for the whole season. I would like to see Harvey try to redeem himself, but that may be the kid who enjoyed BTAS in me.
I'm still up in the air on if Harvey Bullock's redemption could work, but since they did make it clear Flass was the more corrupt one, maybe it could work
I dunno why... But I'd watch an entire spin-off series with these two for some reason. This version of Bullock and Flass is actually really intriguing to me.
It's an interesting question, cause it's unclear why they would go from wanting to write Bullock as a brutal yet still honest cop who happens to have an aggressive way of dealing with things, to an outright corrupt cop with no chance of redemption making him identical to Flass who already is that unless there was either some pay off in the long run OR these two were really just the only two "flunkies" they could get to have a kind of returning antagonist, since most of the other ones seem to be in "one and done" cases (especially with Twoface straight up dying). Based on how they handled the Carnival episode, they didn't want to use Killer Crock as the "bumbling reoccuring villain" and they clearly gave Penguin a massive glow up so "she" is no longer another dumb muscle. I respect Tim as a writer though, so I highly doubt he would downgrade a character like Bullock who had an interesting story without some kind of strong pay off, as so far I really liked his other reinterpretations of the characters, though much colder, it helps show that they're not to just be defined by the animated cartoon we all grew up on, but rather there are multiple ways to intepret the character, e.g. I REALLY LOVE what he did with Harley Quinn, cause the way she stands on her own in that cold, green and yellow jester outfit and riding her psychology theme full and through really helps her stand out beyond the sympathetic girl who let's be honest, was ONLY known for her one sided love with the Joker (and her amazing voice and line reads, but that's irrelevant to the way the character was written), meaning we were able to ultimatley see a less sympathetic but still in her own way sympathetic version of Harley that above all else, stands on her own. So introducing Bullock as just as corrupt as Flass, having gotten away with a murder and that jab Harvey gives about him being a flunkie to Flass kind of hints at where the strings start to snap, but it's not yet time to tell his full story. Just as we see Batman himself slowly going from a cold vengeful knight who's not afraid to beat villains senseless to learning what the difference between a hero and a villain from an outside in look.
I see potential for Bullock to be redeemed, I don’t think it would happen until the end of season 2, if in that season at all. While Bullock is corrupt, we were given several hints that he wouldn’t have gone as far as he did if it hadn’t been for Flask. While murder is inexcusable, he murdered Firebug out of fear/ self preservation. Flask on the other hand wanted him dead because it would just be easier that way. If Bullock were to redeem himself I’d guess that it would be because he was put in a situation where he was asked to do something that crossed the line even for him. Then he would probably inform the others to prevent anymore harm. From there he would prove he had changed. But that’s just me
What I'm about to say might sound crazy but if look at it that way bullock is was a little hesitant about killing firebug or even setting him free in the first place so if we really look at it that way bullock is redeemable
I loved the new series and the changes it made but Bullock being corrupt was the one element I didn’t like especially since Flask was being used. One could argue that despite the various changes, the characters still felt like they shared the same traits and personalities as past series but Bullock took a complete 180. Plus his dynamic of being an extremely rough cop and anti-Batman while not being corrupt in anyway feels so much more interesting than just being another corrupt cop which this series in particular already has tons of. I really do hope he gets redeemed, even if it’ll take a lot for that to happen due to his past actions and crimes.
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after seeing the finale I doubt Bullock will be redeemed which is a shame, I would have liked to have seen a change of heart in those final moments given how Dent jabbed at Flass.
i do want to bring up another version of flass outside comics, the version we see in the audio drama series batman unburied and riddler secrets in the dark, as I've only listened the rsitd at the moment and will actually probably start listening to batman unburied soon the version of flass in those series are pure evil and scum, cuz while he isnt a corrupt cop he's worse as a corrupt security guard at arkham, treating the patents and criminals there terribly (we see this through mostly ridder due to being his perspective in rsitd) its genuinly a great series and seeing flass being played less "obvious ass/scum" and being more just corrupt and underhanded is cool to see in caped crusader ngl
Not gonna lie out of all the changes, whic so far none of changes bother me in theeast bit. I really miss Bullock. He had a great dynamic with Montoya and was strangely a hero of mine. I think because he reminded me of my dad. My dad was rough man who had a roygh upbringing. He was the embodiment of tough it out and Bullock struck me the same way. Even though he wasnt perfect he meant well and would always do the best to his abilities. I feel the corrupt cop angle in the recent years is just so played out, and with the announcement of this show I was ready to get more Bullock.
I also think that suspect handcuffed to the desk was probably a prostitute 😅 they don’t flat out say it and she’s not really dressed like a prostitute, but I can’t imagine why else she would be handcuffed there
That was my thought that while Glass was beyond redemption, Bullock had his moments where he seemed to think they were going too far. I think there's hope for at least Bullock.
One thing I hate about Batman: Caped Crusader is that they horribly demonized Harvey Bullock. This is exactly the problem I had with J. Jonah Jameson, who became an immoral incriminator in the MCU. In fact, if they want an irredeemable monster cop who looks like Harvey Bullock, why couldn't they use Chief Angel Rojas from the 2004 Batman cartoon ?
10:24 This scene is also parallel to the Wayne murder because both Bruce and Batman failed to prevent their closest loved ones from getting shot.. However... Batman prevented the shooter from escaping scot-free without a warning. It's almost as if Batman, filled with rage, showed Flass what's it like to be on the other end of the gun - At the same time, Bruce.... Bruce granted him mercy as a warning.
I feel like the first establishment of Joker as a threat would be him killing Bullok and Flass. I can imagine Joker torturing Flass leaving him with a permanent grin.
It’s been a while we seen anything about Arnold flass from Batman media in recent years. I wonder what would his dcau design would look like if they went with the dark and mature route. Also John DiMaggio as bullock is awesome.
Add to them for season 2 Lieutenant of the GCPD Max Eckhardt (along with his boss - crime lord Carl Grissom by the way) from Batman 1989 and we have a trio of dirty cops in Gotham City.
Bullock’s change was the one thing that pulled me off about the show. I was interested or at the very least tolerated the other changes, but this flaky made me sad. To quote a great comment under your Harvey’s last video „He’s only dirty if you put a comman between the words Dirty and Cop. Dude’s personal hygienic is god awful but he’s one serious cop.” Bullet for Bullock is literally one of my fav Batman stories. I hoped we may see a new version of it in here, but now I don’t have much hope for that
I kind of wish they'd made a new stand in for Bullock as one of the irredeemable corrupt cops in BCC, I know it's a different take/timeline, but the BTAS version of the character I felt oddly worked better specifically because at first glance he seemed like the stereotypical corrupt cop on the surface, sloppy, irritable, and almost always at odds with Batman, but actually played against type by being an honest cop.
I know television limited the creative freedom, but at the same time I wish this series wasn't locked behind a pay wall... But I did watch the show through a pirate site and like this twist on Bullock.
@@SerumLake cool seems the shows version of joker gonna be a lot diffrent from others given he seems less he utterly nuts crazy and more cold and calculating crazy like that one saying"im so crazy i became sane"
I started wondering if Harvey would get a redemption arc because we never actually saw him shoot firebug. The camera cut away before the gun was fired, making me wonder if we could see more of what happened there in a future episode.
I just want to say we dont actualy see who shot Firebug, we see the results, with Bullock standing at the window, but we dont know for sure if it was him or Flass that pulled the trigger.
They’re working on season two as we speak! Matt Reeves also mentioned that Amazon were making a decision about season three any day now (if they haven’t already)
The live action show? We're discussing that on Totally Schway: Flip Side: ruclips.net/video/ecT65--aon4/видео.htmlsi=X2wEKuer87TW43Ds We've discussed episode one and two so far, and will be releasing the podcast about episode three tomorrow. I hadn't really considered talking about the live action stuff on my channel, but never say never.
Uh... I thought I was up on idioms from the UK. In America, it's 'selling someone down the river' and 'sending them up the river'. The first involves a betrayal, but originated in slavery. The second is unrelated and involves the physical location of a prison...
Never heard of Flass before, but what I saw in this vid makes me think of a racist manipulative cop from the Rookie, Doug Stanton, who was also a double crossing piece of garbage. As for Bullock, I loved the 92 version, and I'm evidently not alone, but redemption might not be in the cards for him in this series, especially not after comitting coldblooded murder.
Not a video exactly, but Mary and I are discussing it as part of her podcast Totally Schway: Flip Side, over on her channel. We'll be talking about episode 3 in tomorrow's podcast.
8:55 I figured it was Jim Corrigan that snitched as he has shown to be dirty enough to cash in. As it's revealed that the hit is on Barbara not Jim, they may have chosen not to cash in out of pragmatism not any sort of standards.
I find it telling on the industry that the worst of the two cops was made black. How the only time a cop was explicitly shown firing his weapon with intent on murder was Flass (Catwoman and Two-Face). In Bullock's case it was only (heavily) implied. I was expecting them to reveal it wasnt him who made the call to Penguin, that Flass was interrogating the woman at Bullock's desk, and that Bullock chickened out of shooting Firebug (only going up to the window to check on the "damage"). This did make the growing realization that Bullock is a very willing participant really effective, if undermined by Two-Face's observation.
That is pretty much why I love Caped Crusader. It's more "down to Earth". It shows that not all villains wear masks and colorful customes. Shows like BTAS had more grounded villains like Rupert Thorne and Roland Dugget, but the main focus was costumed criminals. I had to re-watch BTAS to remember who Thorne and Dugget were. Here the costumed villains are just a distraction. The real villains in this show are the crooked law men, the corrupt politicians and the mobsters. That was best shown in the forth episode. There, Flass and Bullock were the bad guys and Firebug was just a dillutional, sick man who clearly needed help.
Funny i grew up with the animated series and i always knew who were thorne and dagget (i was kinda piss that Nolan make him a whinney bitch in dark knight rises) here i have ZERO idea who were thorne and dagget because they were son boring that they give ZERO impact like the originals did.
@@motor4X4kombat I don't think Dagget appeared in Caped Crusader. And I am not a big fan of Thorne's design in C.C. I thought he was supposed to be Carmine Falcone.
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I love that no one cared that Flass was race swapped. Almost like people only care if it's a popular character because it doesn't fit their idea of that character.
You know the flat out irony about corrupt cops in media? Is thay most of them are mostly one dimentional cardbord cut outs, non of them are interesting they motivs are always same (greedy bastards) and they just plot tolls. I mean look at the movies does anyone cared about any of the cops the bite the dust in the movies? I mean i cared a little bit about coulson in the batman before the riddler blow him away but mostly because he didn't had a choice, then i didn't care about Harvey rivals in the dark knight, i didn't care about the moustache guy grom the batman who worked for the penguin, hell even lt eckhardt from batman 89 was a giant archetype of these cjaracter before nacieron blow him apart, hell you could even argue thats what Bullock would have beeing if they went with the easy route. Thats why bullock was interesting in TAS even though he had every chance to do wrong he was still loyal to gordon and his principals, giving him more layers from of a dirty cop that just don't like vigilantes, not because he is just scumb up ready to get what he deserve only to give more reason to Arthur Fleck to say "we live in a society!"
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Aw man this is gonna really upset me…i really like bullock, so seeing a version who is a villain really upset me while watching the show…part of me hopes he can be redeemed somehow…but thats not very realistic…
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Flass whimpering like a child before getting knocked out by Batman was one of the best moments of the entire show. Batman strikes fear into all criminals, even the ones that carry a badge.
I really loved that whole scene. "IT WAS A RIGHTEOUS KILL! I'M A COP, DAMNIT!"
Both of these cops are scumbags, but Arnold Flass in particular is straight up pure evil. He’s almost as evil as this version of The Penguin
He is scum
Im surprised this is the first time John DiMaggio has voiced Bullock, it’s such natural fit
I guess Harvey Bullock hasn't actually been used that much outside of BTAS and Gotham. He wasn't in The Batman or Beware the Batman, as far as I recall...
@@SerumLake he had a bit part in Arkham Origins but they brought back Robert Costanzo for that.
@@jacktoma21oh yes, that’s right. And they made him corrupt in that game, which I did not like one bit, possibly because it was Bobby Costanzo voicing him
@@SerumLake in the audio tapes, Loeb says he needs to start earning his pay, which does imply he’s taking the cash to look the other way, but not doing anything as horrible as we see in the show. Although his lack of appearances in the rest of the series makes me suspicious
Once again John DiMaggio is awesome.
1:51 Of course flass was created by frank “goddam Batman” miller
At least this was back before Frank completely lost his mind and knew that abuse of power was a BAD thing
Honestly, this is an interesting one, as it’s the first time in an animated series that the cops are corrupt. Prior the most they would be is incompetent at best as the higher ups didn’t want to portray law enforcement in a negative light. Funny enough Bullock did start off as corrupt in comics, with the bit near the end with Harvey, I’m wondering if he’ll start to go straight.
Ill be honest when I say that when I first learned that Harvey Bullock is a corrupt cop and one of the many true criminals in Gotham alongside Arnold Flass (who Im not surprised is corrupt), I was very much disappointed since I preferred Harvey Bullock from BTAS who may have been an offish, slobish, and loud mouth cop, but he was still, never corrupt or took bribes and remained loyal to Gordon, even if he wasn't the biggest fan of Batman and tended to do things his own way as a cop. However, after thinking about it for a little bit, I started to understand why they changed him in this show, and for the most part, I think it works. Bullock in this show may be corrupt and done immoral things, but you can see some hesitation and doubt within him. For the sake of the overarching storyline/theme of the season, you see these ordinary cops who represent the worst of Gotham compared to the villains they were supposed to hate. While I still prefer BTAS or Gotham (FOX series) takes on Bullock as a rough loudmouth with a good heart, I do think this change for this show makes sense, and I actually do hope that in maybe Season 2, they can give Bullock a redemption arc as there is a small glimpse of good within him compared to how much of a scumbag Flass is.
it's hard to see how he might be redeemed after this. But I think they have a plan for him.
Ironically, this Bullock isn't as much of a slob. While he's still just as overweight, he at least keeps his clothes straight and his facial hair tidy.
IIRC Gotham's Bullock was also corrupt but not nearly as corrupt as Caped Crusader
@@SerumLake I think the only reason everyone's clamoring for Bullock to be redeemed is cuz they're too attached to the BTAS version. But I don't want him to. After the things he's done? No. Even if he switched sides, that can never make up for the lives he's ruined.
Out of all the changes in Caped Crusader Bullock and Flask may be the most controversial but makes sense. They stole the show. They didn't have any world domination or terrifying schemes in mind. They wete just horrible corrupted cops. Cops we sadly see in our world today and they have no remorse for their actions. Well besides Bullock but he still complied. The Firefly episode is my favorite because after that things escalate with them taking over crime. There is no good in Arnold Flass especially as he might be the most pure evil villains in Modern Batman. He is not a enigmatic being of chaos like Joker or a man who hurts others because to them their life is meaningless to them like Zsas. He is just a corrupted version of the law. He is a bad cop and I feel glad we finally saw why Gotham is chaotic. Besides the Gordons and Montoya the people in charge don't care. They just want power.
I like a Bullock who was corrupt or was in the sphere of those who are corrupt or being to into 'off the books street justice' but turning it around and becoming one of Gordon's most loyal men, even if he is still a slob
I feel similarly. I prefer a Bullock that’s rough around the edges, but doesn’t break the law.
@@SerumLake Same here. In my opinion, that’s what makes him a more nuanced and interesting, as well as likable character.
I think Flass is going to get killed and seeing it is going to scare bullock to the point where he turns over a new leaf and becomes an honest cop. He’ll still be a rude obnoxious slob, but he won’t be corrupt anymore.
@@SerumLake He's a really good Lout with a Heart of Gold. He suits that role well. This Bullock makes me wish they'd just made up a new character for this role.
Honestly the Harvey side feels like a toss up on if he'll get a redemption. After Two Face pointed out how Flass would push him to do the dirty work, Bullock seemed to be thinking on it more. And even uses those exact words in a following scene. So, maybe he decides to serve his time and go PI or when he gets out thanks to Thorne he chooses to go a different route. Or he'll just keep being a monster and the muscle of the pair
One key detail absent from the video is they are not loyal to Thorne like they claimed in episode 10. In episode 1 they work for Penguin meaning they either just joined him or were taking 3 salaries.
I predict Bullock will turn a new leaf, but that likely means he dies.
oh yeah, they definitely take money from whoever is paying.
They made a Drug Dealing Cop black.😅 And they got Gary Anthony Williams aka Uncle Ruckus to voice him.
Okay, they had Samuel L Jackson voice a corrupt cop trying to start an apocalyptic gang war in GTA San Andreas.
@jordanloux3883 oh yeah, but Tenpenny was always Black
I hate what they did to Bullock in this series. Yeah, he was an idiot in the original series but he was never crooked.
that's a perfectly understandable reaction, and one that I think they wanted you to have.
I actually like BTAS treating the cops as good but useless and outnumbered. It shows that the corruption in Gotham isn’t in the system, it’s in the city itself.
In the animated series, Bullock seem to have facial hair, in Caped Crusader he has a mustache; perhaps to play on the “bad guys have mustaches” trope.🤷♂️
Around the same time B:TAS was happening, James Ellroy was writing his acclaimed L.A. Quartet of crime novels (the two most famous are Black Dahlia and L.A. Confidential which became the movies) where even his protagonists are often as corrupt and guilty of murder as Caped Crusader's Harvey Bullock, and who eventually hit their limits and try to do things right even if it kills them.
Brubaker I know, and Timm I'm pretty sure have read James Ellroy.
I wonder if that is an inspiration for what they're planning on Bullock? Not just he turns over a new leaf and becomes the Bullock we all know from B:TAS but instead someone who realizes how much of the evil in Gotham is directly due to him and tries to redeem himself, or perhaps more cynically realizes which way the wind is blowing for police corruption and sells out Flass to remain on the force and does his best to keep his nose clean from here on.
That's what I like about this show, I genuinely don't know where anything is going to go with these characters in season 2.
Honestly, I like this take on these two detectives. They're both corrupt even if one is more irredeemable than the other. Flass' final scene in which Batman puts the fear of god in him is amazing. It feels great when we see him whimpering after trying to take the moral high ground, proving that underneath everything, he is just a bully that folded when someone stood up to him. I would've liked to have seen more emotion from Batman as he was picking the gun and aimed it at Flass, really showing that the death of his friend affected him a lot in that moment. Otherwise, looking forward to the second season of the show.
I honestly hope that Bullock reforms in a future episode.
I don't. After what he's done, I just can't look past it. Even if he did a face turn, he's already done the unforgivable.
@@WobblesandBean true
Harvey Bullock also was inspiration for his mirrored version Angel Rojas - an honest cop but too headstrong with his Zero Tolerance Policy that only aided in Ethan Bennett's corruption and Ellen Yin(sen)'s temporary incarceration until Gordon repremands his heartlessness making things worse.
Tbh, I like Bullock as the honest cop with the horrible personality.
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What people aren't pointing out is that Bullock being corrupt is more accurate to the original comics than the BTAS bullock.
With Bullock being more of the follower and not facing as long of a sentence as Flass will get for murdering Harvey Dent, I wonder if that leaves room for Bullock to at least partially mend his ways and come back in a future season as a private detective or something.
I'm sure there are ways he can try to redeem himself.
After all, with Dent gone, who else is going to testify against the corrupt leaders of Gotham.
0:16 imagine if Spider-Man got this type of treatment?
Everyone would have depression
Oh damn
We'd get One More Day. Do you want One More Day?
DO YOU?
I just wanna see the conclusion of this hypothetical mess youre suggesting@@Davesknd
Maybe Harvey in this series is compensating for his small subpoena.
My one problem with Flass is that after the first episode, I'd been hoping he'd be in a different colour suit each time we saw him
I could definitely see an episode in season 2 dealing with Flass trying to get out of his murder wrap, by testifying against Bullock. Flass had definitely played the role of the devil on Bullock's shoulder for the whole season. I would like to see Harvey try to redeem himself, but that may be the kid who enjoyed BTAS in me.
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I'm still up in the air on if Harvey Bullock's redemption could work, but since they did make it clear Flass was the more corrupt one, maybe it could work
I dunno why... But I'd watch an entire spin-off series with these two for some reason. This version of Bullock and Flass is actually really intriguing to me.
It's an interesting question, cause it's unclear why they would go from wanting to write Bullock as a brutal yet still honest cop who happens to have an aggressive way of dealing with things, to an outright corrupt cop with no chance of redemption making him identical to Flass who already is that unless there was either some pay off in the long run OR these two were really just the only two "flunkies" they could get to have a kind of returning antagonist, since most of the other ones seem to be in "one and done" cases (especially with Twoface straight up dying). Based on how they handled the Carnival episode, they didn't want to use Killer Crock as the "bumbling reoccuring villain" and they clearly gave Penguin a massive glow up so "she" is no longer another dumb muscle. I respect Tim as a writer though, so I highly doubt he would downgrade a character like Bullock who had an interesting story without some kind of strong pay off, as so far I really liked his other reinterpretations of the characters, though much colder, it helps show that they're not to just be defined by the animated cartoon we all grew up on, but rather there are multiple ways to intepret the character, e.g. I REALLY LOVE what he did with Harley Quinn, cause the way she stands on her own in that cold, green and yellow jester outfit and riding her psychology theme full and through really helps her stand out beyond the sympathetic girl who let's be honest, was ONLY known for her one sided love with the Joker (and her amazing voice and line reads, but that's irrelevant to the way the character was written), meaning we were able to ultimatley see a less sympathetic but still in her own way sympathetic version of Harley that above all else, stands on her own. So introducing Bullock as just as corrupt as Flass, having gotten away with a murder and that jab Harvey gives about him being a flunkie to Flass kind of hints at where the strings start to snap, but it's not yet time to tell his full story. Just as we see Batman himself slowly going from a cold vengeful knight who's not afraid to beat villains senseless to learning what the difference between a hero and a villain from an outside in look.
I think we can all agree that these to are the real main villains of this show.
I see potential for Bullock to be redeemed, I don’t think it would happen until the end of season 2, if in that season at all. While Bullock is corrupt, we were given several hints that he wouldn’t have gone as far as he did if it hadn’t been for Flask. While murder is inexcusable, he murdered Firebug out of fear/ self preservation. Flask on the other hand wanted him dead because it would just be easier that way.
If Bullock were to redeem himself I’d guess that it would be because he was put in a situation where he was asked to do something that crossed the line even for him. Then he would probably inform the others to prevent anymore harm. From there he would prove he had changed.
But that’s just me
What I'm about to say might sound crazy but if look at it that way bullock is was a little hesitant about killing firebug or even setting him free in the first place so if we really look at it that way bullock is redeemable
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i think bullock has a chance at redemption cause he seems slightly more hesitant to do the bad things he did not very hesitant but he is
i think most of us know flass from batman year one
which according to the wiki is where he first appeared
I wish they didn’t made Bullock bad cop
I grew up with him on Batman the animated series
And they’ll never be able to take BTAS Bullock from us
First mistake: Adapting ANYTHING from Frank Miller
Second mistake: Not accepting that sometimes restrictions breed creativity.
I loved the new series and the changes it made but Bullock being corrupt was the one element I didn’t like especially since Flask was being used. One could argue that despite the various changes, the characters still felt like they shared the same traits and personalities as past series but Bullock took a complete 180. Plus his dynamic of being an extremely rough cop and anti-Batman while not being corrupt in anyway feels so much more interesting than just being another corrupt cop which this series in particular already has tons of. I really do hope he gets redeemed, even if it’ll take a lot for that to happen due to his past actions and crimes.
after seeing the finale I doubt Bullock will be redeemed which is a shame, I would have liked to have seen a change of heart in those final moments given how Dent jabbed at Flass.
I love your thoughts.
i do want to bring up another version of flass outside comics, the version we see in the audio drama series batman unburied and riddler secrets in the dark, as I've only listened the rsitd at the moment and will actually probably start listening to batman unburied soon the version of flass in those series are pure evil and scum, cuz while he isnt a corrupt cop he's worse as a corrupt security guard at arkham, treating the patents and criminals there terribly (we see this through mostly ridder due to being his perspective in rsitd) its genuinly a great series and seeing flass being played less "obvious ass/scum" and being more just corrupt and underhanded is cool to see in caped crusader ngl
So they made him Lockup? Gotta admit it's fitting for him.
they did Harvey Bullock dirty That's my favorite character from the animated series 😢
I'm confident in saying that they wanted you to have this reaction. I genuinely gasped out loud when he murdered Firebug (and I never do that...)
@@SerumLake I just can't believe the show did that to Harvey Bullock I just hope season 2 might redeem the character I can only hope
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Not gonna lie out of all the changes, whic so far none of changes bother me in theeast bit. I really miss Bullock. He had a great dynamic with Montoya and was strangely a hero of mine. I think because he reminded me of my dad.
My dad was rough man who had a roygh upbringing. He was the embodiment of tough it out and Bullock struck me the same way. Even though he wasnt perfect he meant well and would always do the best to his abilities.
I feel the corrupt cop angle in the recent years is just so played out, and with the announcement of this show I was ready to get more Bullock.
I also think that suspect handcuffed to the desk was probably a prostitute 😅 they don’t flat out say it and she’s not really dressed like a prostitute, but I can’t imagine why else she would be handcuffed there
She could’ve been a serial jaywalker…
Either way it doesn't justify leaving her in a building that's about to be BLOWN TO HELL
That was my thought that while Glass was beyond redemption, Bullock had his moments where he seemed to think they were going too far. I think there's hope for at least Bullock.
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One thing I hate about Batman: Caped Crusader is that they horribly demonized Harvey Bullock. This is exactly the problem I had with J. Jonah Jameson, who became an immoral incriminator in the MCU. In fact, if they want an irredeemable monster cop who looks like Harvey Bullock, why couldn't they use Chief Angel Rojas from the 2004 Batman cartoon ?
Because they wanted you to have this emotional reaction.
@@SerumLakeWhat kind of emotional reaction ?
The strong negative reaction to their Bullock.
Makes sense they dont like the idea of hits out on cops, who do you think would be some of the first targets
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10:24 This scene is also parallel to the Wayne murder because both Bruce and Batman failed to prevent their closest loved ones from getting shot..
However... Batman prevented the shooter from escaping scot-free without a warning. It's almost as if Batman, filled with rage, showed Flass what's it like to be on the other end of the gun - At the same time, Bruce.... Bruce granted him mercy as a warning.
I feel like the first establishment of Joker as a threat would be him killing Bullok and Flass. I can imagine Joker torturing Flass leaving him with a permanent grin.
I like that Bullock was going this low & isn’t afraid of getting his hands dirty. Sure you may argue that he isn’t that bad of a cop but to me he is.
I haven't read the comics but the first time I saw Bullock was on the show Gotham and I really liked him there.
It’s been a while we seen anything about Arnold flass from Batman media in recent years. I wonder what would his dcau design would look like if they went with the dark and mature route. Also John DiMaggio as bullock is awesome.
Add to them for season 2 Lieutenant of the GCPD Max Eckhardt (along with his boss - crime lord Carl Grissom by the way) from Batman 1989 and we have a trio of dirty cops in Gotham City.
Bullock’s change was the one thing that pulled me off about the show. I was interested or at the very least tolerated the other changes, but this flaky made me sad.
To quote a great comment under your Harvey’s last video „He’s only dirty if you put a comman between the words Dirty and Cop. Dude’s personal hygienic is god awful but he’s one serious cop.”
Bullet for Bullock is literally one of my fav Batman stories. I hoped we may see a new version of it in here, but now I don’t have much hope for that
i can see some shot
like they could flashback to fire bugs death, and show bullock didnt have the nef to do it so flass shot firebug
I have to admit this take on bullock was interesting and makes me want to watch the series
I definitely prefer a Bullock that’s rough around the edges but not really corrupted but I’m curious where it will go.
I kind of wish they'd made a new stand in for Bullock as one of the irredeemable corrupt cops in BCC, I know it's a different take/timeline, but the BTAS version of the character I felt oddly worked better specifically because at first glance he seemed like the stereotypical corrupt cop on the surface, sloppy, irritable, and almost always at odds with Batman, but actually played against type by being an honest cop.
I kept thinkinging they would redeem Bullock. But with the Firebug murder, I just don't see it happening.
I know television limited the creative freedom, but at the same time I wish this series wasn't locked behind a pay wall...
But I did watch the show through a pirate site and like this twist on Bullock.
I kinda hope since we see flass we get to see officer Brandon (who's also from year one comic)
I wonder whether they may give Bullock a similar informing role to what Flass had in the comics. Seems like it may fit if they try to redeem him!
wonder if there gonna do a little short video about the little joker scene we got at the end
I absolutely could do. I have thoughts.
@@SerumLake cool seems the shows version of joker gonna be a lot diffrent from others given he seems less he utterly nuts crazy and more cold and calculating crazy like that one saying"im so crazy i became sane"
Come to think of it, why wasn't Selina also charged with resisting arrest and assault of an officer in the first place?
I started wondering if Harvey would get a redemption arc because we never actually saw him shoot firebug. The camera cut away before the gun was fired, making me wonder if we could see more of what happened there in a future episode.
I feel like the "Harvey's the one that does the dirty work" bait wouldn't work if Harvey knows he didn't kill Firebug.
Will you also talk about CC Thorne?
I just want to say we dont actualy see who shot Firebug, we see the results, with Bullock standing at the window, but we dont know for sure if it was him or Flass that pulled the trigger.
I get why BTAS wanted to avoid the implication of corrupt cops... but these days it's kinda awkward...
I always thought it was flask not flass lol
A common mistake! When I was looking up SEO terms for this video, "bullock and flask" was the most common search term for him...
I hope bullock gets a redemption arc should the series continue. He was my favorite character in btas.
They’re working on season two as we speak! Matt Reeves also mentioned that Amazon were making a decision about season three any day now (if they haven’t already)
Can you someday do the characters and villains from "my adventures with Superman?"
never say never!
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Any ideas for doing a series on The Penguin’s characters?
The live action show? We're discussing that on Totally Schway: Flip Side:
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We've discussed episode one and two so far, and will be releasing the podcast about episode three tomorrow.
I hadn't really considered talking about the live action stuff on my channel, but never say never.
Is it just me, or does Flass look like Sammy Davis Jr?
Uh... I thought I was up on idioms from the UK. In America, it's 'selling someone down the river' and 'sending them up the river'. The first involves a betrayal, but originated in slavery. The second is unrelated and involves the physical location of a prison...
Never rule out the possibility that I was speaking too quickly and said the wrong thing. It happens more often than I'd like!
I know this wont proberly happen but i kinda wanted bullock to turn good mabey something to do with scarecrow or another villian to scare him straight
Never heard of Flass before, but what I saw in this vid makes me think of a racist manipulative cop from the Rookie, Doug Stanton, who was also a double crossing piece of garbage.
As for Bullock, I loved the 92 version, and I'm evidently not alone, but redemption might not be in the cards for him in this series, especially not after comitting coldblooded murder.
Not related but, you will made videos about the peguim series?
Not a video exactly, but Mary and I are discussing it as part of her podcast Totally Schway: Flip Side, over on her channel. We'll be talking about episode 3 in tomorrow's podcast.
8:55 I figured it was Jim Corrigan that snitched as he has shown to be dirty enough to cash in. As it's revealed that the hit is on Barbara not Jim, they may have chosen not to cash in out of pragmatism not any sort of standards.
I don’t think he’d tell his competition where they were… unless he was calling them in as a distraction! 🤔
@@SerumLake Or as a scapegoat, which was revealed to be his plan when the twist happened.
The series is good, but this is the one thing about it I just dont like. Bullock was always one of my favorite characters.
what was the hangman note trying to say?
"knows if you've been bad or good"
He’s a little corrupt but not to fless level he did run around murdering people 😅who didn’t deserve it
I find it telling on the industry that the worst of the two cops was made black. How the only time a cop was explicitly shown firing his weapon with intent on murder was Flass (Catwoman and Two-Face).
In Bullock's case it was only (heavily) implied. I was expecting them to reveal it wasnt him who made the call to Penguin, that Flass was interrogating the woman at Bullock's desk, and that Bullock chickened out of shooting Firebug (only going up to the window to check on the "damage").
This did make the growing realization that Bullock is a very willing participant really effective, if undermined by Two-Face's observation.
That is pretty much why I love Caped Crusader. It's more "down to Earth". It shows that not all villains wear masks and colorful customes. Shows like BTAS had more grounded villains like Rupert Thorne and Roland Dugget, but the main focus was costumed criminals. I had to re-watch BTAS to remember who Thorne and Dugget were. Here the costumed villains are just a distraction. The real villains in this show are the crooked law men, the corrupt politicians and the mobsters. That was best shown in the forth episode. There, Flass and Bullock were the bad guys and Firebug was just a dillutional, sick man who clearly needed help.
Well said. You've articulated what I liked about the show far more succinctly than I could.
Funny i grew up with the animated series and i always knew who were thorne and dagget (i was kinda piss that Nolan make him a whinney bitch in dark knight rises) here i have ZERO idea who were thorne and dagget because they were son boring that they give ZERO impact like the originals did.
@@motor4X4kombat I don't think Dagget appeared in Caped Crusader. And I am not a big fan of Thorne's design in C.C. I thought he was supposed to be Carmine Falcone.
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This is not Bullock ):
The two are my least favorite characters in the show
I love that no one cared that Flass was race swapped. Almost like people only care if it's a popular character because it doesn't fit their idea of that character.
8:00 Bro, why is that in Latin?
it's called Lorem Ipsum, standard template text. Basically it's just put there instead of having someone write out a full article
You know the flat out irony about corrupt cops in media? Is thay most of them are mostly one dimentional cardbord cut outs, non of them are interesting they motivs are always same (greedy bastards) and they just plot tolls. I mean look at the movies does anyone cared about any of the cops the bite the dust in the movies? I mean i cared a little bit about coulson in the batman before the riddler blow him away but mostly because he didn't had a choice, then i didn't care about Harvey rivals in the dark knight, i didn't care about the moustache guy grom the batman who worked for the penguin, hell even lt eckhardt from batman 89 was a giant archetype of these cjaracter before nacieron blow him apart, hell you could even argue thats what Bullock would have beeing if they went with the easy route.
Thats why bullock was interesting in TAS even though he had every chance to do wrong he was still loyal to gordon and his principals, giving him more layers from of a dirty cop that just don't like vigilantes, not because he is just scumb up ready to get what he deserve only to give more reason to Arthur Fleck to say "we live in a society!"
0:25 Me, an AuDHD pre-egg cracked trans girl who grew up not understanding anything about humanity and STRUGGLING to keep up with the other human beings around me: BAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Jokes on you, I was born way after this show, and my faith in my leaders was DESTINED to be broken!
Aw man this is gonna really upset me…i really like bullock, so seeing a version who is a villain really upset me while watching the show…part of me hopes he can be redeemed somehow…but thats not very realistic…
even if he does redeem himself i dont see how he can keep being a cop after all hes done
@@FrozenJack2007 maybe it can be more in line with the comics version?
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