Yep. Even though he painted it clear as day that he might not have presented accurate information, I still just scrolled down and read the top comments
Is it sad that it's been so long since I've seen satire done this good I couldn't really tell if this was until I checked the source? This is a comedy channel that in my mind should be viewed in every political science class.
@@A_massive_wog As a devotee of Beppe Grillo I looked up Franz Gilderberg but couldnt find anything. Are you playing Jregs game or am I overlooking something
I fact checked this video because of course I did it was terrifying. You used the French wiki for post truth and straight lied about what you were citing. This whole video is filled with un-citable nonsense. In other words I loved it, I'm chilled to the bone
I don’t believe you. I just can’t decide if you want to be chilled to the bone or you want people to think you’re the kind of person that gets chilled to the bone over such a thing because you are a such a “sensitive intellectual”.
Literally as soon as Georgio Yakatura came up, I thought to myself "That's probably a fake person" and quickly googled him, but then saw the blogspot about him and was like "Huh, maybe this guy is actually real but really unknown" and went to watch the video further. It is only after that I realised that the blogspot was fake.
and then is the question is lying wrong if it's for a good cause using post-truth to make the world actually better place? what if a politician or a movement lies but achieves their goals? like cleaning the earth , end homelessness, create jobs or go to mars?
joeri baars When it comes to things like that context is the most important thing, according to morals lying is wrong no matter what, but humans are more than morals. The end shouldn’t justify the means, but when it comes to such good things it’s hard to argue that they don’t, it really comes down to what you do to attain the good thing. Lying is not the same as Genocide, they’re both morally wrong but one is worse obviously.
@@ognotapussyslayer5917 I find it kinda comforting. I always thought of post truth as a problem but now it just appears to be a byproduct of the way we seek truth.
I met Dr. Georgio Yakatura in Mid-February 2015 during one of his last seminars called "Internet Media and Reliability: Misinformation in the Age of Information". There weren't many in attendance so I got to talk him afterwards. We chatted for a while near the snacks table (Dr. Yakatura was not a healthy man). He told me one thing that has stuck with me forever. He said, "People will share information that they know is not true just so they can validate themselves. People will misquote famous people or even completely fabricate them just to tell the superior story." I never got to meet him again, but after that i started to campaign for the distribution of unadulterated facts. I am so happy that one of Dr. Yakatura's students is finally sharing some of his greatest wisdom.
@@BasedVegeta he just understood that Giorgio Yakatura was fake and deduced that the video was a very well done satire I knew Beppe Grillo before so this happened the same way for me I think it ruined the experience of the satire tho
I honestly figured it out immediately from the moment he mentioned "Georgio Yakatura" just based on my understanding of Jreg and the fact that he was making it seem like he was playing it straight.
This video left me with such a deeply unsettling feeling in the core of my spirit. I knew something was off because Jreg was being way too serious and I was already preparing for some batshit over the top idea, but when he said "What if what I was saying wasn't true?" I literally felt an emotion that I can't quite explain. I feel... Icky.
This feeling is actually known as miasma and was defined by Sigmund Freud. It's how our brain reconciles with information that challenges its core beliefs.
@@ninjaman7775 And also, how do we know Freud was saying the truth? I mean he could have just made it up, and who has the time to fact-check that? Although, me saying people are too lazy to research things is also something pretty convenient to believe, isn't it much easier to think what Im saying is the truth? ... This idea is fucked up man.
@@ninjaman7775 thanks for this. Never heard the term. edit: here’s a good vid about “miasma” & other Freudian terms ruclips.net/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/видео.html
I feel you, brother. Good tip for the lazy: have an ad hoc method of who to believe and not to believe, but before you spread their ideas elsewhere you check their sources. It allows you to cruise the internet lazily while not spreading bullshit when one of your ideas happen to be trash. I mean, we could also verify everything, but if you're lazy at least you won't do harm.
@@screwsinabell If you mention the subject to someone else you can also mention where you got the information and the fact that you haven't verified it elsewhere, and ideally they'll take it into account (maybe even correct you directly or at least give you counterarguments if they're better informed and the idea happens to be wrong). That's what I do, to still mention the idea but with caution
Wow Giorgio Yakatura is like my favourite sociologist how did you have a chance to work with him truly amazing respect and also RIP he will totally be missed
At the start of the video: "Oh wow, is Jreg actually being a reliable academic political RUclipsr?" At the end of the video: "There is no such thing as a reliable academic political RUclipsr"
"There is no such thing as a reliable academic political RUclipsr" This. This. This. Those "acadamic" political youtubers aren't even actually academics 99% of the time. Fuck them.
@@YellowJelly13 You could say no academic is still an academic in the context of mass-media. They only truly are in the context of academic media. Outside of academic papers and presentations, inside an environment, in which rhethoric and conversation have different goals, different purposes and different modi, they necessarily warp into something slightly else. Henceforth, I wouldn't distinguish between true and false "academics" too much. It's neither a very good measure of their practical merit nor of the trustworthiness of what they say.
@@JoniWan77 no, they are quite literally not academics, as simple as that, regardless if they are immersed in mass media or whatever, that's the equivalent of saying you are an anthropologist because you live in a society
@@YellowJelly13 It was meant as an even-if. I don't know, whether all these RUclipsrs aren't academics or not and it isn't of much concern to me as it's practically impossible to know everyone, who was referred to by your comment. I was simply stating, that I don't think they should be considered academics in this space and context, even if they actually were. Henceforth I personally don't think the question of whether they are academics or not is a key question to their reliability. Videos of academics heavily invested in talking about politics and culture on mass-media, especially in a normative way, are in my humble opinion unreliable in a very similar manner.
The trust built over parasocial relationships on RUclips is a deadly currency. And we're all in a such a rush to be right, being wrong is virtually inconceivable at this point.
It a form of societal fracturization that occurs in cyberspace, in which echo chambers are developed and are integrated into our world view which inevitably influences our worldview. This is true with any form of media but in cyberspace, its anybody's game.
@@thomasjardine2108 Censorship is then especially pernicious, since certain powers could isolate or crack down on particular fields of view with the broader society being none the wiser.
Enigmaniac He founded the so called five star movement, an “apolitical party” which now pretty much runs the country along with the nationalist far right
@@mr.atomic_cragstan I don't trust any of these comments. I don't trust anything anymore. ...but I'm STILL too lazy to do my own research and google! So I'll just claim you're all lying and run off! YAY!
@@briandiehl9257 i try to convince people why socialism and communism is wrong but I feel like this channel is just straight satire on behalf of the idiotic Marxist views that universities are trying so hard to popularize
I think the plot twist shows his seriousness more, when we cant trust our entertainers and political commentators, how do we know we got the right side or perspective of the story? We don't have time to fact check our sources, be it journalists, chat shows or comedians; and that's a problem. Bias and misinformation is everywhere, and just like how we didn't have the time to comb through Jreg's satirical Essay neither do we have the time to comb through an argument of Ben Shapiro. It's a good warning to be careful of the media we consume. Unwavering faith in a commentator is dangerous; through them what we see and how we portray it is controlled, so we need to be smart about it. Variety helps, seeing the other side helps, (sorry I'm really sounding like a Centrist here) and seeking information beyond the reaches of RUclips helps.Clicks are power in the world of news and we need to realize that.
@@liamnichols2775 You be surprised how some people have entire youtube channels dedicated to debunking the crappy arguments. There are quite a few (mostly) reliable sources that we could listen to instead of trying to debunk every cheeky argument made from Ben Shapiro or Jordan B Peterson. I think you're over-exaggerating the how much control news outlets over the audience. We should educate people on how to narrow the sources we use to make sure any genuine agent would avoid bad outlets that only seeks to confirm a specific group's bias. The main news outlets that we usually see fake news on are secondary sources that are money driven, which means that it's inevitable that bias and distortion would plague these sources. That's why having someone else interpreting it may help you disect it more critically. On that note, if they get it wrong, someone else reliable contradicts it, you can then use your critical thinking skills to determine which has the better supported arguments. In spite of the counter-intuitive nature of the matter, we need role models to help us develop critical thinking skills, though we'll have to actively develop those skills and learn the formal education on whatever subject we desire to dabble in. Once you have those critical thinking skills down, you can use what you have learned to tell if someone is to be dishonest or in bad faith. Most of the time, developing a sharp sense of reasoning and filtering out bad ideas is far better than just poring through scientific articles that we are unqualified to read just so we can derive a few measly and most likely skewed conclusions from them. That isn't to say that researching on topics you're interested in isn't useful, it's perhaps necessary to gather the information to make an educated opinion. Nevertheless, if there's one advice that can help anyone, including the lazy, the dishonest, and the bad faith actors from their bad roles, is to experiment and find news sources, sources that you have never considered before. And more importantly, play devil advocate
@@laffy7204 You cannot develop critical thinking skills from consuming political rants, though. One must read "the classics," as they used to be taught, or otherwise a wide variety of literature that places reality in many different lenses. Then, having built a balanced worldview, you can venture forth into philosophy and then on to politics. Naturally though, it shows how destructive bad schooling can be as it instills a warped set of values, and how crappy democracy is bound to be. Also, while you can find someone "reliable" in a particular field, no one has all the answers and even the wisest men make critical mistakes.
"Quebec's Silent Revolution - 1920s" this is such an unimportant but obviously intentional inaccuracy (it's off by 40 years). I love and hate this video so much.
@@YellowJelly13 What are you talking about? Jreg is my favourite youtuber so it has to be true, and the talking points of this video feel right so I believe them
"You've watched my whole backlog of videos! You know me!" You're right I do know you, and kind of questioned why I'm taking you seriously since I know the kind of videos you post. Sat through 7 minutes thinking that there had to be an important reason why so much of this video was straight-edge. Glad to see that there really wasn't.
For those of us tearing their hair out trying to catch the little popup in frame 6:54 (I know I was!): "We fret about political polarization, but in fact those who are politically interested are more likely to have encountered different opinions, checked facts and changed their minds about a political issue after searching for more information."
@Emanuele Caproni i know who Beppe grillo is, I'm Italian, I just didn't understand why he was here (I know his image was used for comedy I just thought it wasn't well know internationally)
@@Matt-vh2ci he isn't especially well known internationally, hence why it works as the majority of the audience wouldn't immediately recognise him. However I suppose it's an "easter egg", some people would recognise him, although I can't comment on his relationship with post-truth.
I immediately recognized Georgio's picture as Italian comedian Beppe Grillo and had to go check if it was real because passing himself as "political expert Georgio Yakatura" is something he would absolutely do
The word "even" has a conventional implicature that your comment is more likely to be meaningful than others simply because it's trying to be meta or whatever. I just can't accept the truth of that implicature.
never in my life have I been so afraid, as I was when I hovered my cursor over the "Search Google for 'Georgio Yakatura'..."-button, standing on the edge of finding out whether I've been bamboozled or not.
That was the oint of the video. It is quite easy to make people believe something as long as it sound plausible. Btw. What he said about Post-Truth was still true.
I figured it out when he showed the wiki article on post truth in French and it said the 14th century and put a picture of the French revolution, and again when it said Quebec's silent revolution was in the 20s lol.
Wow, this is the best video on post truth. Have I ever watched any other videos about post truth? Nope, but it feels like it's the best to to me at least it is the best!
Now I have brain cells designated to remember the name Georgio Yakatura and absolutely nothing else. Thanks jreg. This is what I'll be thinking about my next chemistry test
@@moonie1825 A name like Georgio (a mix between italian Giorgio and english George) is something incredibly hard to pronounce phonetically correct in any of the two languages.
As you started making question whether this whole video was actually fake my eye started twitching. Video essays are my favorite thing and now you've destroyed them with FACTS and LOGIC you monster!
PASTRAMIKick you do know that the eyes twitching is a real thing that can happen when someone’s distressed right? And that YOU sound like a cartoon character when you don’t know that?
"Do you have time for that? Do you have time to research every single video you watch? Do you have the energy to second guess every sentence you read?" Nope... that's what comment sections are for.
42billybob I never research stuff from videos but he sounded sarcastic so I googled Georgio and didn’t find anything that wasn’t related to this video.
@Patric Chasseur I agree and this is coming from someone on the centre right. He shows a lot of signs of being quite leftist but he keeps it to himself which is good.
that fraction of a section of an image at 6:53 says: we fret about polarization, but in fact those who are politically interested are more likely to have encountered different opinions, checked facts and changed their minds about a political issue after searching for more information
@@yourboy9236 When he talks about the Pós-Verité being created in the 18th century, the image he pulls up is a Wikipedia article in French. It focuses on "xiv siécle". The 14th century.
I was suspicious from the very beginning. When he dumbed down post truth to fact vs feelings and gave a questionable quote from a dude I never heard about then I noticed what he was doing. But the experience you get from watching this video is pretty much what proponents of the term have been trying to express. JReg doesn't hide behind layers of irony, he is the total sum of those very layers. But he always unironically does a great job. I genuinely like JReg, I have a special affection towards his work, and a special place in my heart for it.
Express your love by donating to his patreon and spreading his videos. Operationalization. Intersubjectivity. It's true because you can track it with numbers.
yeah, I had to watch this a second time after googling the name georgio yakaturo. And now I got a lot of thinking regarding my perception of parasocial relations and my relationship with what I regard as true. Damn you Jreg! you trixter
I cited this video and your video on anti centrist praxis for my English final essay and I somehow got a 20/20 on the essay. You are officially a trusted source.
The scientific method is great for preventing insanity. The difficulty is feeding the resources and experiences to yourself in order to verify claims. Jpeg also gave a useful example of how to detect contention: incongruity. Yakaturo or Yakatura? 2005 or 2006?
Jokes on you, there was never a better time. The only difference in the past was that people put their blind trust in much fewer potential authorities.
@@Exofunny300 you are not getting it. Science doesn't help. You can claim that any source is biased, wrong, written by the wrong person. You are enterpreting the results, so you are in control of what study says to you.
Pretty good for a channel that tries to appease both sides of extremism and this video in particular is a complete lie, so it's even more surprising that people didn't dislike.
Ahh, nevermind, its now 5 dislikes, also. How the fuck has Sam Julius commented 19 minutes ago, but "..." has started this comment string 17 minutes ago? Edit: Now it fixed itself.
"12 Rules for Death: An Antidote to Order" is probably my favorite work by Dr Yakatura - a brilliant, in-depth analysis of post-postism, neo-fallōism, and thanatoism. Thanks, Jreg! You ARE a true scholar.
Well since jreg always likes people doing the timecodes for different sections... I shall try... 0:00 it begins 0:09 The great one is annoyed 0:20 * The great *master* 0:34 poor Georgia 0:59 a wild post modernism appeared 1:20 what is an emotional truth? 1:40 bold of you to assume I've never seen a dragon.... accurate, but still bold 2:41 jreg spots a centrist 2:52 I'm really beginning to like this georgio guy 3:43 Why is post truth relevant now? 4:18 post verite 4:34 yes... these are all clearly historical 5:06 ist that just lying 5:42 responses and shiz 6:28 doing stuff about it 6:31 conclusion 7:07 I wouldn't believe you 7:21 how dare you insult georgio 7:34 but never my faith in you
Holy shit, I've long understood the danger of assigning authority on a mental level, but today, you made me *feel* it. The genuine shock I felt while watching this might've been intense enough to henceforth pop into my head whenever I'm presented with a piece of significant information. You've likely made me a better, more skeptical individual, and for that, I thank you.
... I almost typed a comment before finishing this video about how this new lore on Jreg's background (that I implicitly believed) about him literally finishing a Master's program and being mentored by a pioneer in modern academic exploration of post-truth is really cool and just reminds you of how impressive this guy actually is. Gods, your metacommentary is (consistently and remarkably) effective.
What is so ironic about Ben Shapiro is that in-spite Shapiro turning "facts don't care about your feelings" into a meme, almost every point he makes is done with appeal to emotion.
@Fluffynator The hole in your opinion is, What's wrong with poking holes in your opponents opinion? Seems like a valid form of at least knowing what is not true. . . Sorry, I think this video caused some kind of temporary brain damage.
It's refreshing to hear the term "ironic" used properly. I've recently read two youtube posts where the thing being called ironic, was the exact opposite of ironic. (Oh no, maybe that's some new thing now where people are knowingly calling things ironic that are unironic? (I feel really old right now))
@@rb5519 it just feels right, the value of the proper definition is basically nothing, and there's a third point to be made here to make the sentence sound good.
Ffs Jregmy, you can't just have a 1 frame message and then have your video in *60 fps* To save the rest of the audience some time: 6:54 "We fret about polarization, but in fact those who are politically interested are more likely to have encountered different opinions, checked facts and changed their minds about a political issue after searching for more information"
RIP Georgio Yakatura. I was an early fan of your works and to hear your passing was traumatic to say the least. I hope wherever you are, you keep on explaining post-truth theory. From your number 1 fan.
I love living in a reality where my frame of reference of reality has been erased and people abusing my cognitive dissonance of said erasure will act like there trying to help me, y,know, get my house in order, set me on the right path, meanwhile that path is going straight into a house that I don't like and makes me homesick for a place that I've tricked myself into believing ever existed
at 6:53, Greg leaves a blurb that you can find by playing the video at 0.25 speed that says: "We fret about polarization, but in fact those who are politically interested are more likely to have encountered different opinions, checked facts and changed their minds about a political issue after searching for more information."
6:54 "We fret about polarization, but in fact those who are politically interested are more likely to have encountered different opinions, checked facts and changed their minds about a political issue after searching for more information"
Yes and no, someone who is politically interested may have more info and have chosen an ideology, even "extreme" because they maintain consistent and thorough beliefs based on a solid framework. Or they may just be tribal and want to bask in reflected glory and in group acceptance while fighting the out group like every day is an existential battle.
@@josecarlosmoreno9731 it honestly depends on their critical thinking. If they are the kind of person who is close-minded, then researching an issue and encountering opposing arguments can definitely polarise. For example, a strawman might be made about feminists hating men. A man who has seen such a claim then looks up a feminist article. He sees that they are saying that toxic masculinity is dangerous. Because he isnt great at critical thinking, he thinks he is encountering the strawman (this is why such strawmen are powerful), and that the author is arguing that men are bad. Thus polarising the person. A critically minded person might be more likely to identify the nuance of the argument and not be as susceptible to bias. This is just an example. You can argue that masculinity isnt toxic and all that, but I'm explaining how people can fall for fallacies and be polarised even when cross-checking.
So yeah I agree. There's this idea that if you're an extremist youre biased. Which is ridiculous, you're only biased if you make a decision on the validity of an argument based on prior experience with the people making the argument, rather than actually listening to the argument. So you have like you said some people that are tribal and are actually biased - because they decide the validity of arguments based on who makes them. And then you have people who aren't tribal, who won't be polarised by arguments in a negative way - and naturally those that are inclined to want to make radical change will tend towards extremism if they find one sides arguments convincing. For example socialism if you have decided society has enough resources for everyone, or fascism if you have decided Jews are somehow the secret establishment (though people who arrive at the latter with critical thinking aren't common). The trouble is, post truth affects BOTH of these. Even the critically minded can fall prey to post truth, since it isn't possible to be an expert in every field.
@@josecarlosmoreno9731 Wouldn't "politically interested" kind of exclude you from being someone that chooses thoughtless solutions for imaginary fears? I would assume "politically interested" means at the very minimum that people are interested enough to apply some extra metacognition and avoid the "passionate about something, but too lazy and used to it to question it." I mean other than that, I guess people can be stupid enough to be unable to be convinced of something, and therefore become destined to have an ignorant polarization despite their good-faith interest...
Very insightful and provocative so long as you pay attention to the subtext, which isn't difficult as Jreg conspicuously flags appropriate elements of the text as deserving scrutiny. Good shit, man.
Wow. I never thought I'd finally find someone who can talk about the great master Giorgio. I'm Italian, and he's been a very important figure in our modern politics, despite his move to Japan. I had a chance to speak to him, and he had this amazing nickname, 'Kuriketto'. He really was a 5-star figure in the history of political discourse. Thank you for bringing honor to him by furthering his teachings!
at 6:54 there is a less than half a frame blurb that I had to slow down to read it says: "We fret about polarization, but in fact those who are politically interested are more likely to have encountered different opinions, checked facts and changed their minds about a political issue after searching for more information"
This was something I've been feeling lately. I hate how everything that is objective is getting perceived by a subjective lens and how I am just as guilty as everyone else for wanting something to be true when it likely isn't. But I also don't want to be critical about everything, living would get so exhausting. You're a good yt channel.
Lmao I caught on when you said that the concept of post-truth was used in the French Revolution in 1863. Finally a practical use for my obsession with the French Rev!
But isnt it common knowledge. Like atleast everyone know French Revolution happened in somewhere in 1700's. And Napoleon took the power after he killed Louis XV. And Queen I dont remember her name.
My favorite part about this video is that it's hard to tell where the satire begins and ends, if at all. I can now live my life comfortable in the assumption that Jreg has the same beliefs as I do because I can't be bothered to sort through the ambiguity.
the really quick thing at 6:54 says "we fret about polarization, but in fact those who are politically interested are more likely to have encountered different opinions, checked facts and changed their minds about a political issue after searching for information"
Getting a completely unironic and informative video essay is actually the most unexpected Jreg content yet
You commented before watching the whole video huh.
Eoin Campbell I do believe I am now obligated to subscribe to his Patreon
Yikes
Ironically liked
He is almost always half serious half joking at any given moment.
maybe the real Georgio Yakatura was the friends we made along the way
or maybe he's Beppe Grillo, an italian comician and politician
matteo possamai are all of his videos supposed to be sarcastic to prove a point? Or are they propaganda?
@@Conleyr64 Yeah, pretty much.
@@Conleyr64 it's all centrist propaganda.
I don't know you.
The fact that I just checked the comments instead of actually fact-checking the video should tell you what's up
Yep. Even though he painted it clear as day that he might not have presented accurate information, I still just scrolled down and read the top comments
Yeah it’s because you use Reddit a lot
Jreg actually out here playing 15th dimensional chess
The Jew Crew I want to like this comment but it’s at 666 likes
83rd level underwater Chinese checkers.
With chinese characters
Sci Fience it’s at 1.3k so you can go ahead and like it now
Jreg is a genius, seriously
Is it sad that it's been so long since I've seen satire done this good I couldn't really tell if this was until I checked the source?
This is a comedy channel that in my mind should be viewed in every political science class.
He is the Franz Gilderberg of his time.
I agree. I've learned a lot by questioning everything is said by "Jreg"
"Greg is a very well spoken student despite suffering from Autism" the source be like . also weird Spanish
@@A_massive_wog As a devotee of Beppe Grillo I looked up Franz Gilderberg but couldnt find anything. Are you playing Jregs game or am I overlooking something
"Everything I say is so layered in sarcasm that it has no meaning."
~jreg
Citation: Just trust me dude.
He said something similar in a video about irony, but it was quite different.
@@amadoucisse9143 With enough irony you just _snap back to reality._
Source: I made it up
I would argue that it includes a lot of information about the intention of the messenger, but yeah the content of the message itself is void.
I fact checked this video because of course I did it was terrifying. You used the French wiki for post truth and straight lied about what you were citing. This whole video is filled with un-citable nonsense. In other words I loved it, I'm chilled to the bone
I don't have the energy to fact check what you said, so you are as believable as him
@@AlejandroPerez-mg3fc I checked: He is telling the truth, but I am lying.
@Omega Haxors Who? /s
I just checked, most of what he said is true, despite what you said and well cited. Stop trying to spread disinformation.
I don’t believe you. I just can’t decide if you want to be chilled to the bone or you want people to think you’re the kind of person that gets chilled to the bone over such a thing because you are a such a “sensitive intellectual”.
Literally as soon as Georgio Yakatura came up, I thought to myself "That's probably a fake person" and quickly googled him, but then saw the blogspot about him and was like "Huh, maybe this guy is actually real but really unknown" and went to watch the video further. It is only after that I realised that the blogspot was fake.
the fucking layers
The real guy is Beppe Grillo he is an ex italian comic and now politician
Is watching a Jreg video considered self-harm?
Like some sort of disassociative self harm in which viewing going through psychological self harm, harms you too?
It depends, are you a centrist?
It's post-self-harm.
I think of it more as assisted masochism
Only if your a fucking centrist.
Unironically, this works as an amazing thesis on why post-truth actually works. The number of people who fell for this show that.
and then is the question is lying wrong if it's for a good cause using post-truth to make the world actually better place? what if a politician or a movement lies but achieves their goals? like cleaning the earth , end homelessness, create jobs or go to mars?
joeri baars When it comes to things like that context is the most important thing, according to morals lying is wrong no matter what, but humans are more than morals. The end shouldn’t justify the means, but when it comes to such good things it’s hard to argue that they don’t, it really comes down to what you do to attain the good thing. Lying is not the same as Genocide, they’re both morally wrong but one is worse obviously.
I'm scared. Genuinely
Define "works" tho
@@ognotapussyslayer5917 I find it kinda comforting. I always thought of post truth as a problem but now it just appears to be a byproduct of the way we seek truth.
I met Dr. Georgio Yakatura in Mid-February 2015 during one of his last seminars called "Internet Media and Reliability: Misinformation in the Age of Information". There weren't many in attendance so I got to talk him afterwards. We chatted for a while near the snacks table (Dr. Yakatura was not a healthy man). He told me one thing that has stuck with me forever. He said, "People will share information that they know is not true just so they can validate themselves. People will misquote famous people or even completely fabricate them just to tell the superior story." I never got to meet him again, but after that i started to campaign for the distribution of unadulterated facts.
I am so happy that one of Dr. Yakatura's students is finally sharing some of his greatest wisdom.
joe mama
Bravo, Joe!
what kinda snacks did he like?
Is this real? Or just feels real?
Heeeey...wait a minute
I love the patron names.
"Anarcho-Nazgul"
"He who naenaes on the centrists"
NAZGULS ARE NAZBOL GANG
nazguls are just nazis but they "borrowed" the idea of gulags
I'm Italian, and when I saw a picture of Beppe grillo used as Georgio yakatura I instantly understood this video
You are a genius
@@BasedVegeta he just understood that Giorgio Yakatura was fake and deduced that the video was a very well done satire
I knew Beppe Grillo before so this happened the same way for me
I think it ruined the experience of the satire tho
I honestly figured it out immediately from the moment he mentioned "Georgio Yakatura" just based on my understanding of Jreg and the fact that he was making it seem like he was playing it straight.
This video left me with such a deeply unsettling feeling in the core of my spirit. I knew something was off because Jreg was being way too serious and I was already preparing for some batshit over the top idea, but when he said "What if what I was saying wasn't true?" I literally felt an emotion that I can't quite explain. I feel... Icky.
This feeling is actually known as miasma and was defined by Sigmund Freud. It's how our brain reconciles with information that challenges its core beliefs.
@@ninjaman7775 but how do i know you’re telling the truth?
@@ninjaman7775 And also, how do we know Freud was saying the truth? I mean he could have just made it up, and who has the time to fact-check that? Although, me saying people are too lazy to research things is also something pretty convenient to believe, isn't it much easier to think what Im saying is the truth?
...
This idea is fucked up man.
@@ninjaman7775 thanks for this. Never heard the term.
edit: here’s a good vid about “miasma” & other Freudian terms ruclips.net/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/видео.html
This is the first Jreg video where I'm genuinely scared
I feel you, brother.
Good tip for the lazy: have an ad hoc method of who to believe and not to believe, but before you spread their ideas elsewhere you check their sources. It allows you to cruise the internet lazily while not spreading bullshit when one of your ideas happen to be trash.
I mean, we could also verify everything, but if you're lazy at least you won't do harm.
Same
Now watch the frameworks video. That still has my worldview cracked in pieces
@@screwsinabell If you mention the subject to someone else you can also mention where you got the information and the fact that you haven't verified it elsewhere, and ideally they'll take it into account (maybe even correct you directly or at least give you counterarguments if they're better informed and the idea happens to be wrong). That's what I do, to still mention the idea but with caution
Wow Giorgio Yakatura is like my favourite sociologist how did you have a chance to work with him truly amazing respect and also RIP he will totally be missed
I'll never forget how the media ignored him, and how he'd get harassed for the things he said.
He was a little racist, though...
We Can bring him back, all you have to do... is believe...
G *e* orgio
@Domz 230 Do any of us truly exist?
Nice pfp
At the start of the video: "Oh wow, is Jreg actually being a reliable academic political RUclipsr?"
At the end of the video: "There is no such thing as a reliable academic political RUclipsr"
"There is no such thing as a reliable academic political RUclipsr"
This. This. This.
Those "acadamic" political youtubers aren't even actually academics 99% of the time. Fuck them.
@@YellowJelly13 You could say no academic is still an academic in the context of mass-media. They only truly are in the context of academic media. Outside of academic papers and presentations, inside an environment, in which rhethoric and conversation have different goals, different purposes and different modi, they necessarily warp into something slightly else. Henceforth, I wouldn't distinguish between true and false "academics" too much. It's neither a very good measure of their practical merit nor of the trustworthiness of what they say.
@@JoniWan77 no, they are quite literally not academics, as simple as that, regardless if they are immersed in mass media or whatever, that's the equivalent of saying you are an anthropologist because you live in a society
@@YellowJelly13 It was meant as an even-if. I don't know, whether all these RUclipsrs aren't academics or not and it isn't of much concern to me as it's practically impossible to know everyone, who was referred to by your comment. I was simply stating, that I don't think they should be considered academics in this space and context, even if they actually were. Henceforth I personally don't think the question of whether they are academics or not is a key question to their reliability. Videos of academics heavily invested in talking about politics and culture on mass-media, especially in a normative way, are in my humble opinion unreliable in a very similar manner.
"Facts are indifferent to your feelings" - Shen Bapito
* Shen Bapiro
@@yaboi3178 Bapito
@@lazergurka-smerlin6561 el bapito
*Ben Spacito
@Mac Loud Oh no, he's the guy who organized that yellow vest thing
Georgio will be missed. His essay on the true, post truth origins of grilled chicken changed my life. RIP in peace.
You'll be happy to hear that he reincarnated as a comic and a politician in Italy.
@@ferdjur4195 THIS IS SO ACCURATE IT HURTS, OML.
I had one of the greatest nights of my life with Georgia Yakaturo. She showed me how post-sex is superior to regular sex.
The trust built over parasocial relationships on RUclips is a deadly currency. And we're all in a such a rush to be right, being wrong is virtually inconceivable at this point.
And not every RUclips personality is untrustworthy.
@@lucastark1784 bUt wE cAn TrUst jREg
It a form of societal fracturization that occurs in cyberspace, in which echo chambers are developed and are integrated into our world view which inevitably influences our worldview. This is true with any form of media but in cyberspace, its anybody's game.
@@thomasjardine2108 Censorship is then especially pernicious, since certain powers could isolate or crack down on particular fields of view with the broader society being none the wiser.
I think you misspelled anarcho-post-truth. Please correct this error as soon as possible. Thank.
living joke You are Welc
*thanks
anarcho-post truth accelerationism
Abdisa 1234
Than
Not edgy enough. Radical anarcho-post truth has way better ring to it imo.
I wanted him to be real, Jreg. I wanted to read the essays and those studies.
Why do i feel so lied to...? Why does this hurt?
The best thing is, the guy is an Italian comedian/politician. I was laughing so hard through the whole video!
Enigmaniac He founded the so called five star movement, an “apolitical party” which now pretty much runs the country along with the nationalist far right
@@mr.atomic_cragstan I don't trust any of these comments. I don't trust anything anymore.
...but I'm STILL too lazy to do my own research and google! So I'll just claim you're all lying and run off! YAY!
Georgio is real, jreg says so
Read some Baudrillard instead or something.
"I won't abuse that trust"
Starts telling all subscribers to start committing centricide.
And? Whats wrong with that
@@briandiehl9257 can you explain to me why you want to do that
@@briandiehl9257 how does violence make any situation better?
@@wompwomp7177 its a running joke
@@briandiehl9257 i try to convince people why socialism and communism
is wrong but I feel like this channel is just straight satire on behalf of the idiotic Marxist views that universities are trying so hard to popularize
Since when did Jreg start being serious...
*Several minutes later*
Nevermind
I think the plot twist shows his seriousness more,
when we cant trust our entertainers and political commentators, how do we know we got the right side or perspective of the story? We don't have time to fact check our sources, be it journalists, chat shows or comedians; and that's a problem. Bias and misinformation is everywhere, and just like how we didn't have the time to comb through Jreg's satirical Essay neither do we have the time to comb through an argument of Ben Shapiro. It's a good warning to be careful of the media we consume. Unwavering faith in a commentator is dangerous; through them what we see and how we portray it is controlled, so we need to be smart about it. Variety helps, seeing the other side helps, (sorry I'm really sounding like a Centrist here) and seeking information beyond the reaches of RUclips helps.Clicks are power in the world of news and we need to realize that.
Serious ain't always somber. Check out Pratchett's later works.
@@liamnichols2775 You be surprised how some people have entire youtube channels dedicated to debunking the crappy arguments. There are quite a few (mostly) reliable sources that we could listen to instead of trying to debunk every cheeky argument made from Ben Shapiro or Jordan B Peterson. I think you're over-exaggerating the how much control news outlets over the audience. We should educate people on how to narrow the sources we use to make sure any genuine agent would avoid bad outlets that only seeks to confirm a specific group's bias. The main news outlets that we usually see fake news on are secondary sources that are money driven, which means that it's inevitable that bias and distortion would plague these sources. That's why having someone else interpreting it may help you disect it more critically. On that note, if they get it wrong, someone else reliable contradicts it, you can then use your critical thinking skills to determine which has the better supported arguments. In spite of the counter-intuitive nature of the matter, we need role models to help us develop critical thinking skills, though we'll have to actively develop those skills and learn the formal education on whatever subject we desire to dabble in. Once you have those critical thinking skills down, you can use what you have learned to tell if someone is to be dishonest or in bad faith. Most of the time, developing a sharp sense of reasoning and filtering out bad ideas is far better than just poring through scientific articles that we are unqualified to read just so we can derive a few measly and most likely skewed conclusions from them. That isn't to say that researching on topics you're interested in isn't useful, it's perhaps necessary to gather the information to make an educated opinion. Nevertheless, if there's one advice that can help anyone, including the lazy, the dishonest, and the bad faith actors from their bad roles, is to experiment and find news sources, sources that you have never considered before. And more importantly, play devil advocate
It's actually a serious issue and a boundary pushing video but delivery is a fun and sarcastic tone
@@laffy7204 You cannot develop critical thinking skills from consuming political rants, though. One must read "the classics," as they used to be taught, or otherwise a wide variety of literature that places reality in many different lenses. Then, having built a balanced worldview, you can venture forth into philosophy and then on to politics.
Naturally though, it shows how destructive bad schooling can be as it instills a warped set of values, and how crappy democracy is bound to be. Also, while you can find someone "reliable" in a particular field, no one has all the answers and even the wisest men make critical mistakes.
"Quebec's Silent Revolution - 1920s" this is such an unimportant but obviously intentional inaccuracy (it's off by 40 years). I love and hate this video so much.
The "shamanic" revolutions is what made me realize he was full of shit lol
@@YellowJelly13 What are you talking about? Jreg is my favourite youtuber so it has to be true, and the talking points of this video feel right so I believe them
"You've watched my whole backlog of videos! You know me!"
You're right I do know you, and kind of questioned why I'm taking you seriously since I know the kind of videos you post. Sat through 7 minutes thinking that there had to be an important reason why so much of this video was straight-edge.
Glad to see that there really wasn't.
wow i feel so big brained like the centrist i was meant to be, i looked up georgio BEFORE the plot twist. i am a true intellectual
I called it as well but didn't want to spoil it, but the subject of the video is the perfect opportunity to do something like this.
@@PASTRAMIKick Same here, this guy came out of nowhere, he was on 11k subs a month ago. What a fucking brilliant mind.
I googled him, didn't find anything and concluded that I must have spelled the name wrong, how big brain am I?
@@elzian4975 you google him, so i'd say you watch rick n morty as well?
You didn't find this site? gyakatura.blogspot.com/
"Who said anything needs to be done?" God, I love this channel.
I mean he has a point
ME, I SAID THAT
If people don't know what truth is you get shit like anti vaxxers
Reminds me of an exchange from DS9.
"They're all true."
"Even the lies?"
"Especially the lies."
God, you're right. Also a hell yes to DS9
Man, Cardassia was really just 'let's use 1984 as a base for worldbuilding'
For those of us tearing their hair out trying to catch the little popup in frame 6:54 (I know I was!):
"We fret about political polarization, but in fact those who are politically interested are more likely to have encountered different opinions, checked facts and changed their minds about a political issue after searching for more information."
Found this after fretting over it lolol
Damnit I spent so damn long on trying to see it and now found a comment on it :/
You know, you always can slow down speed of the video in the settings, so you can easily catch this type of stuff?
if you pause the video you can use the , and . keys (< and > without shift) to frame advance or frame rewind the video
Дмитрий Данилов I did that, and it was still a massive pain in the ass to catch the frame.
Clearly you haven't read Beppe Grillo's work critiquing Dr. Yakatura's position.
TheSer1010 I knew that was him as soon as I saw the picture
Why Beppe Grillo? I don't understand I am Italian
@Emanuele Caproni i know who Beppe grillo is, I'm Italian, I just didn't understand why he was here (I know his image was used for comedy I just thought it wasn't well know internationally)
@@Matt-vh2ci he isn't especially well known internationally, hence why it works as the majority of the audience wouldn't immediately recognise him. However I suppose it's an "easter egg", some people would recognise him, although I can't comment on his relationship with post-truth.
Beppe is Georgio's twin brother separated at birth (they were adopted by two different families), few people know that.
I immediately recognized Georgio's picture as Italian comedian Beppe Grillo and had to go check if it was real because passing himself as "political expert Georgio Yakatura" is something he would absolutely do
Jreg's viewers:
"We've been tricked, we've been backstabbed, and we've been quite possibly, bamboozled."
"And we like it..."
“We’ve been shmeckledorfed!”
When your the 1.1k like
@@sirmount2636 "That's not even a word and I agree with you!"
And we keep coming back.
This video is so meta and this channel so hidden in layers of irony that any comments I could make would be meaningless.
Even this one.
The word "even" has a conventional implicature that your comment is more likely to be meaningful than others simply because it's trying to be meta or whatever. I just can't accept the truth of that implicature.
If you like that sort of shit look up Reactor.
@@bravetherainbow poo balls shit idiot
chicken nugget
Jreg
The fact that this whole video is an example of post truth…..
This is some next level shitposting. You got me for a second there.
This video taught me how to love myself, thank you Georgio Yakablaka
never in my life have I been so afraid, as I was when I hovered my cursor over the "Search Google for 'Georgio Yakatura'..."-button, standing on the edge of finding out whether I've been bamboozled or not.
I'm going to be honest:
1. I felt soooo betrayed when I looked up Georgio
2. Jreg is my favourite channel on RUclips at the moment
Is he fake?
Yes he is! :D
me too lmfao
That was the oint of the video.
It is quite easy to make people believe something as long as it sound plausible.
Btw. What he said about Post-Truth was still true.
@@GameBreaker1055 I was pretty skeptical, but I also know jreg is full of shit (and its hilarious).
You almost got me Jreg until I realized the image you showed of Giorgio Yakatura was actually Italian comedian Beppe Grillo
(And ex politician)
That gave it away for the whole Italian viewer base. Not a lot of us here but it’s still something
I figured it out when he showed the wiki article on post truth in French and it said the 14th century and put a picture of the French revolution, and again when it said Quebec's silent revolution was in the 20s lol.
@@type-moonfag4413 per fortuna
@@ianilus4783 dai... era divertente anche come politico, anche di più
Wow, this is the best video on post truth.
Have I ever watched any other videos about post truth? Nope, but it feels like it's the best to to me at least it is the best!
Now I have brain cells designated to remember the name Georgio Yakatura and absolutely nothing else. Thanks jreg. This is what I'll be thinking about my next chemistry test
Chemistry tests are the Truth they REALLY don't want you to know about
Being italian I knew that as soon as I heard "Georgio Yakatura" I was in for one hell of a ride
he said italian japanese though
@@moonie1825 but he showed the picture of comedian/politician "Beppe Grillo"
@@moonie1825 A name like Georgio (a mix between italian Giorgio and english George) is something incredibly hard to pronounce phonetically correct in any of the two languages.
As a sociologist, every video Jreg makes tickles my balls sooo good omg pleqse dont stop
As you started making question whether this whole video was actually fake my eye started twitching. Video essays are my favorite thing and now you've destroyed them with FACTS and LOGIC you monster!
your eye started twitching? Are you a cartoon character by any chance.
@@PASTRAMIKick It's based on reality tbf
Not really, he just portrayed them as all potentially false, which is pointing out the obvious.
PASTRAMIKick you do know that the eyes twitching is a real thing that can happen when someone’s distressed right? And that YOU sound like a cartoon character when you don’t know that?
He's not destroyed them with facts and logic though lol, it's still an emotional appeal.
Me: jreg’s postmodern surreal videos can’t further my existential crisis anymore
Jreg: hold my beer
I came here 5 years later again. This is my favorite video on all of RUclips!
"Do you have time for that? Do you have time to research every single video you watch? Do you have the energy to second guess every sentence you read?"
Nope... that's what comment sections are for.
42billybob I never research stuff from videos but he sounded sarcastic so I googled Georgio and didn’t find anything that wasn’t related to this video.
I get my facts from one source and one source only:
NPR Tiny Desk Concert
How they gonna make a scone out of a fucking squash I mean OH! it blows my FUCKING mind
@@xSTARRYxEYESx but what were you saying? Your boyfriend is being really mean right now? I think he'll turn it around at some point, I THINK
this is actually the thesis statement of the jreg channel
I love you and everything you do man. This is the best video I have ever seen
This channel is so deep in irony I dont even know what jreg's actual political alignment is
probably a centrist
He's dead in the center, and is feeling so guilty about it, he'll advocate for WW III just to distance himself as far from the center as possible.
@Patric Chasseur I agree and this is coming from someone on the centre right. He shows a lot of signs of being quite leftist but he keeps it to himself which is good.
@@BoldOne8760 keep your assessments to yourself, bud
Leftist, cynical about hierarchical structure but conflicted about how goals can be achieved
that fraction of a section of an image at 6:53 says: we fret about polarization, but in fact those who are politically interested are more likely to have encountered different opinions, checked facts and changed their minds about a political issue after searching for more information
So that's why he's unironically anti-centrist, huh.
The Giorgio Yakatura twist beats everything shyamalan. Well play Jé.
Dude. I'm rewatching the video, there's foreshadowing. He put Easter eggs!
@@alexandredesouza3692 please give an example
@@yourboy9236 When he talks about the Pós-Verité being created in the 18th century, the image he pulls up is a Wikipedia article in French. It focuses on "xiv siécle". The 14th century.
@@yourboy9236 The picture of the supposed Doctor is Beppe Grillo
@@CDG7755 Time to sell out to Lega lmao
Holy shit this man is playing inter-dimensional quantam Schrodinger's chest my mind is absolutely melting
_Schrödinger’s chest_
@@DragonWinter36 Yeah that feels right, no need to fact-check
I was suspicious from the very beginning. When he dumbed down post truth to fact vs feelings and gave a questionable quote from a dude I never heard about then I noticed what he was doing.
But the experience you get from watching this video is pretty much what proponents of the term have been trying to express. JReg doesn't hide behind layers of irony, he is the total sum of those very layers. But he always unironically does a great job. I genuinely like JReg, I have a special affection towards his work, and a special place in my heart for it.
@STD092812 ❤️
Express your love by donating to his patreon and spreading his videos. Operationalization. Intersubjectivity. It's true because you can track it with numbers.
This might be the best video I have ever watched.
yeah, I had to watch this a second time after googling the name georgio yakaturo.
And now I got a lot of thinking regarding my perception of parasocial relations and my relationship with what I regard as true.
Damn you Jreg! you trixter
I cited this video and your video on anti centrist praxis for my English final essay and I somehow got a 20/20 on the essay. You are officially a trusted source.
I know this is supposed to be comedic, but it ended up being quite alarming 😂
Don’t do this to me jreg. Please don’t make me question my trust in yet another source in this “truth isn’t truth” hellscape. I can’t keep going man
The scientific method is great for preventing insanity. The difficulty is feeding the resources and experiences to yourself in order to verify claims. Jpeg also gave a useful example of how to detect contention: incongruity. Yakaturo or Yakatura? 2005 or 2006?
Exofunny300 shit man I didn’t even notice that he switched it
Jokes on you, there was never a better time. The only difference in the past was that people put their blind trust in much fewer potential authorities.
@@Exofunny300 you are not getting it. Science doesn't help. You can claim that any source is biased, wrong, written by the wrong person. You are enterpreting the results, so you are in control of what study says to you.
Graknorke I suppose you’re right. An informational oligarchy doesn’t sound any better than what we’ve got
This is actually a masterpiece. Completely threw me for a loop, even though I was *expecting* some kind of trickery.
God damn, this is a great video even if you forgot to talk about Anarcho-Truthism
post-anarcho-truthism is wackier.
@@BrianMarshall1 National Truthism?
0 dislikes. Good to know, that the youtube's filter bubble extremism isolation algorithm is working fine.
Pretty good for a channel that tries to appease both sides of extremism and this video in particular is a complete lie, so it's even more surprising that people didn't dislike.
65 dislikes now 🤔 (the fifth one was mine)
Ahh, nevermind, its now 5 dislikes, also. How the fuck has Sam Julius commented 19 minutes ago, but "..." has started this comment string 17 minutes ago?
Edit: Now it fixed itself.
Don't be so sure too quickly
You jinxed it!
A year later, i still think this video is your best work.
I agree. This entire video is a materpiece.
Frameworthless is ppretty good too
"12 Rules for Death: An Antidote to Order" is probably my favorite work by Dr Yakatura - a brilliant, in-depth analysis of post-postism, neo-fallōism, and thanatoism. Thanks, Jreg! You ARE a true scholar.
Post postism is a dangerous ideology which is threatening to dismantle the anarchies of our society.
Thanatoism... damn, I haven't heard that one since before I came back from that phrenological acupuncturist convention.
lol, neo-fallōism
Well since jreg always likes people doing the timecodes for different sections... I shall try...
0:00 it begins
0:09 The great one is annoyed
0:20 * The great *master*
0:34 poor Georgia
0:59 a wild post modernism appeared
1:20 what is an emotional truth?
1:40 bold of you to assume I've never seen a dragon.... accurate, but still bold
2:41 jreg spots a centrist
2:52 I'm really beginning to like this georgio guy
3:43 Why is post truth relevant now?
4:18 post verite
4:34 yes... these are all clearly historical
5:06 ist that just lying
5:42 responses and shiz
6:28 doing stuff about it
6:31 conclusion
7:07 I wouldn't believe you
7:21 how dare you insult georgio
7:34 but never my faith in you
Holy shit, I've long understood the danger of assigning authority on a mental level, but today, you made me *feel* it. The genuine shock I felt while watching this might've been intense enough to henceforth pop into my head whenever I'm presented with a piece of significant information. You've likely made me a better, more skeptical individual, and for that, I thank you.
... I almost typed a comment before finishing this video about how this new lore on Jreg's background (that I implicitly believed) about him literally finishing a Master's program and being mentored by a pioneer in modern academic exploration of post-truth is really cool and just reminds you of how impressive this guy actually is.
Gods, your metacommentary is (consistently and remarkably) effective.
This is why we need people constantly criticizing each other and pointing out flaws in arguments.
Tbh we should put right wingers and left wingers in an anonymous 4chan style forum and force them to argue and see how it ends up.
@@davilimalol4612 Have you been anywhere on reddit? That's basically how every third thread is lol
@@andrewjacks2716 Even Reddit acknowledges that it's a circlejerk and any comment that's against the narrative will be downvoted
This, but ironically
What is so ironic about Ben Shapiro is that in-spite Shapiro turning "facts don't care about your feelings" into a meme, almost every point he makes is done with appeal to emotion.
The Rational Rifleman why would a random youtube comment have to cite sources for a claim as simple as this.
@Fluffynator The hole in your opinion is, What's wrong with poking holes in your opponents opinion? Seems like a valid form of at least knowing what is not true. . . Sorry, I think this video caused some kind of temporary brain damage.
It's refreshing to hear the term "ironic" used properly. I've recently read two youtube posts where the thing being called ironic, was the exact opposite of ironic. (Oh no, maybe that's some new thing now where people are knowingly calling things ironic that are unironic? (I feel really old right now))
@@rb5519 it just feels right, the value of the proper definition is basically nothing, and there's a third point to be made here to make the sentence sound good.
@@HumanTooth "sounds good", "feels right". You're right. I should just accept that nothing means anything anymore."
As a student studying in media science, this was an enlightening experience. Thank you. DOWN TO THE CENTRIST!
Ffs Jregmy, you can't just have a 1 frame message and then have your video in *60 fps*
To save the rest of the audience some time: 6:54
"We fret about polarization, but in fact those who are politically interested are more likely to have encountered different opinions, checked facts and changed their minds about a political issue after searching for more information"
Don't you just hate it when ppl do that
imagine my delight as an Italian seeing that picture of “Georgio Yakatura” at 0:34
Aahahaahahahh pensavo di essere pazzo
@@upsl2020 idem
RIP Georgio Yakatura. I was an early fan of your works and to hear your passing was traumatic to say the least. I hope wherever you are, you keep on explaining post-truth theory.
From your number 1 fan.
when I saw Beppe Grillo it all became clear to me...
Questi anglofoni non possono fotterci
GANG GANG
@@peppefrasca5179
mi chiedo dove l'abbia pescato, che io sappia Beppe Grillo non è molto moto all'estero
Plot twist
è italiano
*o forse no....*
I love living in a reality where my frame of reference of reality has been erased and people abusing my cognitive dissonance of said erasure will act like there trying to help me, y,know, get my house in order, set me on the right path, meanwhile that path is going straight into a house that I don't like and makes me homesick for a place that I've tricked myself into believing ever existed
i kept waiting for the twist and the funny bit and you didn't disappoint me
On the linked page: "Greg is a very well spoken student despite suffering from Autism." lol
at 6:53, Greg leaves a blurb that you can find by playing the video at 0.25 speed that says: "We fret about polarization, but in fact those who are politically interested are more likely to have encountered different opinions, checked facts and changed their minds about a political issue after searching for more information."
6:54 "We fret about polarization, but in fact those who are politically interested are more likely to have encountered different opinions, checked facts and changed their minds about a political issue after searching for more information"
God ^
Yes and no, someone who is politically interested may have more info and have chosen an ideology, even "extreme" because they maintain consistent and thorough beliefs based on a solid framework. Or they may just be tribal and want to bask in reflected glory and in group acceptance while fighting the out group like every day is an existential battle.
@@josecarlosmoreno9731 it honestly depends on their critical thinking. If they are the kind of person who is close-minded, then researching an issue and encountering opposing arguments can definitely polarise.
For example, a strawman might be made about feminists hating men. A man who has seen such a claim then looks up a feminist article. He sees that they are saying that toxic masculinity is dangerous. Because he isnt great at critical thinking, he thinks he is encountering the strawman (this is why such strawmen are powerful), and that the author is arguing that men are bad. Thus polarising the person. A critically minded person might be more likely to identify the nuance of the argument and not be as susceptible to bias.
This is just an example. You can argue that masculinity isnt toxic and all that, but I'm explaining how people can fall for fallacies and be polarised even when cross-checking.
So yeah I agree. There's this idea that if you're an extremist youre biased. Which is ridiculous, you're only biased if you make a decision on the validity of an argument based on prior experience with the people making the argument, rather than actually listening to the argument.
So you have like you said some people that are tribal and are actually biased - because they decide the validity of arguments based on who makes them.
And then you have people who aren't tribal, who won't be polarised by arguments in a negative way - and naturally those that are inclined to want to make radical change will tend towards extremism if they find one sides arguments convincing. For example socialism if you have decided society has enough resources for everyone, or fascism if you have decided Jews are somehow the secret establishment (though people who arrive at the latter with critical thinking aren't common).
The trouble is, post truth affects BOTH of these. Even the critically minded can fall prey to post truth, since it isn't possible to be an expert in every field.
@@josecarlosmoreno9731 Wouldn't "politically interested" kind of exclude you from being someone that chooses thoughtless solutions for imaginary fears? I would assume "politically interested" means at the very minimum that people are interested enough to apply some extra metacognition and avoid the "passionate about something, but too lazy and used to it to question it."
I mean other than that, I guess people can be stupid enough to be unable to be convinced of something, and therefore become destined to have an ignorant polarization despite their good-faith interest...
Very insightful and provocative so long as you pay attention to the subtext, which isn't difficult as Jreg conspicuously flags appropriate elements of the text as deserving scrutiny. Good shit, man.
Wow.
I never thought I'd finally find someone who can talk about the great master Giorgio. I'm Italian, and he's been a very important figure in our modern politics, despite his move to Japan. I had a chance to speak to him, and he had this amazing nickname, 'Kuriketto'.
He really was a 5-star figure in the history of political discourse.
Thank you for bringing honor to him by furthering his teachings!
I looked it up and he was telling the truth about georgio yak stirs and his sources were all correct
"...than I'm basically your guy".
He is /Our Guy/
this is some next lvl gas-lighting, i dont know what to believe any more...i love this
Everyone: “oh no how are we gonna reach the truth?!”
Diavalo: “First time?”
I noticed it was satire when it said “Neolithic rejections of Shamanic “Truth” leading to several Stone Age wars” lmao
at 6:54 there is a less than half a frame blurb that I had to slow down to read it says:
"We fret about polarization, but in fact those who are politically interested are more likely to have encountered different opinions, checked facts and changed their minds about a political issue after searching for more information"
The second I saw the title I thought "yeah he is going to lie to us"
But God damn that was a good lie. Or was it?
Code E It’s whatever you want it to be Code E... O_o
CODE E BABY HOW YOU DOING
It was a very sincere and good-natured lie
That is not dead which can eternal lie.
"This video is so fucking good, Jreg!" - Georgio Yakatura, 2006
Its insane how you do all in almost 1 take. Fucking incredible to hold on on character for that long
This was something I've been feeling lately. I hate how everything that is objective is getting perceived by a subjective lens and how I am just as guilty as everyone else for wanting something to be true when it likely isn't. But I also don't want to be critical about everything, living would get so exhausting.
You're a good yt channel.
Lmao I caught on when you said that the concept of post-truth was used in the French Revolution in 1863. Finally a practical use for my obsession with the French Rev!
But isnt it common knowledge. Like atleast everyone know French Revolution happened in somewhere in 1700's. And Napoleon took the power after he killed Louis XV. And Queen I dont remember her name.
@@melchid8448 he took power right after he invented water skiing. Good people, Napoleon was.
This is probably the best Jreg video
My favorite part about this video is that it's hard to tell where the satire begins and ends, if at all. I can now live my life comfortable in the assumption that Jreg has the same beliefs as I do because I can't be bothered to sort through the ambiguity.
Solutions to post truth.
A C C E L E R A T E
the really quick thing at 6:54 says "we fret about polarization, but in fact those who are politically interested are more likely to have encountered different opinions, checked facts and changed their minds about a political issue after searching for information"
Somehow this is becoming the channel I identify the most with politically.
Edit: Lol